From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 11:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61FjwlM011118 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61FjI3B011130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61FjFLN084946; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:45:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61F7go9053709 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.206.4196bbe (16099) for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R40 (fwm-r40.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.144]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee342c55c3423d; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.144) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:31 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.144 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/962/Thu Jun 30 23:19:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Empire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >When I first heard about this series and heard the title "Empire" I >thought either the Napoleonic Enpire or the British Empire as both are >more historic costume interesting. That's funny. When I heard the title "Empire," I thought of Star Wars. Guess I'm still just an amateur historical costumer. :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 11:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61FwH04011334 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61FvqHS012435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61Fvpxn094483; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61Fvnah094411 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so300610nzp for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a5WuIXNGM3QtRs2qvjnsOShy2dOhPOtKmJ/mM0kHfDe29qQlApifMm7wIlSJ4iAizjkSv+w6tcpSZbZSc1b1OWP23N0DFb+T1/LUB+6oCpDpljv9jeLRPryH4ra2sdRuQ0T8tDx7akTD3h5Z2m0u2gs5UO+RG/5TS8mAYeJtwE4= Received: by 10.36.36.14 with SMTP id j14mr783909nzj; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc805070108575cdafb84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:57:44 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Empire In-Reply-To: <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j61Fvnah094411 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nah..you're just a closet cosplayer. On 7/1/05, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > That's funny. When I heard the title "Empire," I thought of Star Wars. Guess I'm still just an amateur historical costumer. :) > > Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 12:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61GGJv2011598 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61GFoDx014233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GFmse008128; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f10.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GFjpq007985 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:15:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:15:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507011528.j61FRoVt069157@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:15:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 16:15:38.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E8C9A40:01C57E58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >There are plenty of fat women (like me) who I see, who don't realize >this; their skirts hang lower in the front! It seems to me that some of the extant medieval garments are longer in back than in front, presumably for this reason. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 12:48:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61GmAvT012314 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:48:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61GlGTB017882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GkwQc033531; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GkdGQ033246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j61GfhlR007653 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:41:43 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42C5736C.5010000@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:46:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: >> There are plenty of fat women (like me) who I see, who don't realize >> this; their skirts hang lower in the front! > > It seems to me that some of the extant medieval garments are longer in > back than in front, presumably for this reason. Possibly -- although this is only a problem for me for things that end at the waistband. A garment that hangs from the shoulders, even if belted, evens out by the time it gets to the hem, what with bust and butt sort of counter-balancing. Are you thinking of everyday wear, or something more frivolous? Because a slight train (a few inches) makes a graceful line without getting in the way very much. But one wouldn't do that for an average garment, I think. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "I told Dru I'm laying down the law tonight." "A verb very close to her heart." -- Pibgorn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 13:41:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61HfwXV013929 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:41:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61HbV10023940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61HG5C5056880; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61HFpv4056629 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so322540nzd for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sKK38bWnYS0KV3KZWC6ktp3JZrdpYw15DVYzhLj5afsxXNMYqwVHE+VkHzALKTzRR5QD65qGeTavA59WINoCOQoKex5blwtpIhqcX9qvfGPmrtQxU1Bx3PyEGZq3edc6lOXMSvJUbGhcm9STIGygih9Hkwe+qOIrJrZxgxzi6fw= Received: by 10.36.222.39 with SMTP id u39mr906519nzg; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:44 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waists, waists, waists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j61HFpv4056629 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I have to roll the front waistband of off-the-rack skirts so that the hem >>hangs horizontal because of this. If I had the time, I'd hem the skirts >>properly. >Several of us have the same problem. Fortunately it is correctable if you >make your own skirts for historicals. Carolyn, Cynthia, others, It's so common there's a standard set of adjustments for the "dropped waist" that will correct your patterns nicely. Sway backs & dancer butt are other common causes of "dropped waist". I usually search for another pair of pants. If I *must* have them, pick back the WB, and put it where I want it. Cant stand the messy bulky rolled "solution". How do you tell if you need to take this into acct? Tie a piece of elastic 'round your mostly unclothed waist. Wiggle around ... hip circles, shimmies whatever, just keep your hands off waist & elastic. Turn sideways in the mirror. If the front is lower: dropped waist. If not, there are other pages in the pattern fitting books to refer to. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620NK97021840 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:23:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620Mb4h065967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620MXsd045833; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620MS42045792 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j620MPpH001222 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:22:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.73] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-73.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.73]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j620MJ4V254200 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050701165952.0344d508@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:22:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waists, waists, waists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >put it where I want it. Cant stand the messy bulky rolled "solution". I only do that for commercially produced skirts, like the kind with an elasticized waistband that would be a pain to remodel, and that I only wear to job interviews anyway. My commercially produced trousers fit fine, and so do my self-made historical costume skirts. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620b91G022126 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620aigg066769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620ahVK051878; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aeRr051835 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE8A5E3C4 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701172403.035439b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:25:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] lil boy suspenders ..... In-Reply-To: <20050622062410.93506.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050621135423.033165b8@64.87.54.245> <20050622062410.93506.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry it's been awhile since I commented last, but I've been a bit busy this week and only caught up today. To everyone with their suggestions for little boy suspenders, I thank you all. I will be checking many of them out soon. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620bDGs022133 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620air3066770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aiiM051881; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aeew051846 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AA25E3AE for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701172613.03544160@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:50 AM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >Henry's complaint that "Am I not a man like >other men?" was a veiled statement that other Popes had annuled royal >marriages or engagements when a male heir was needed(he fathered and >recognized his son Henry Fitzroy)by Elizabeth Blount). It is also interesting to note that when Henry's older sister Margaret, Dowager Queen of Scotland, was in the process of annulling her marriage to her second husband Archibald Douglas, Earl of Angus, that Henry and Catherine both tried very hard to dissuade her from doing so. This was years before Anne came into the picture. But when it came to Henry's time to request an annulment, he was upset that Margaret had succeeded in an annulment, but because of politics in Europe and with the Pope, he couldn't get his request granted. More info on Margaret (and Mary Tudor Brandon), read _The Rose and the Thorn: The lives of Mary and Margaret Tudor_ by Nancy Lenz Harvey. It is very informative. fwiw, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620bEMN022136 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620aime066771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620airF051885; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620afvk051851 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB25E3C9 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701173627.035443f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca In-Reply-To: References: <002701c57c2c$28ca50c0$6501a8c0@AmyPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:29 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >Due to politics of the time and the mysterious deaths of nobility I would >say keeping on your toes 24/7 can drive you a bit crazy. Look at James of >Scotland. Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 23:32:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j623W7BM025428 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j623VJ9f081029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j623VE1J031821; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f31.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j623V9Tj031750 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.35 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:31:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.35] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507011802.j61I1SEp093630@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:31:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2005 03:31:03.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[7980F7D0:01C57EB6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Cynthia Virtue >Possibly -- although this is only a problem for me for things that end >at the waistband. A garment that hangs from the shoulders, even if >belted, evens out by the time it gets to the hem, what with bust and >butt sort of counter-balancing. > >Are you thinking of everyday wear, or something more frivolous? Because >a slight train (a few inches) makes a graceful line without getting in >the way very much. But one wouldn't do that for an average garment, I >think. I'll have to take your word for it, since in the case of my skirts, my bust and butt don't counterbalance anything :) At this point I'm trying to figure out where I saw the pictures I'm thinking of and drawing a blank. Sorry, my bad - I withdraw the thought until I can find the darned things. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 00:23:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j624N0B5026489 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j624MaO1084056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j624MZFE052566; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j624MVZW052548 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DoZWQ-0005jz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050701231618.02899028@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:22:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200507011801.j61I1SEo093630@net.indra.com> References: <200507011801.j61I1SEo093630@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] TV show - Young Blades X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone else watching the series "Young Blades" on PAX network? http://www.paxtv.com/shows/yngblad/ It's sort of a "Three Musketeers, the next generation" sort of thing (with a little "Magnificent 7" thrown in), supposedly set in the 17th Century. It has an odd mix of historical and modern, nothing is terribly accurate, but it's fun and some of the outfits are really impressive, even if not period-accurate. Not to mention some pretty nifty eye-candy (of both genders). Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 15:47:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j62Jl3ji010871 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j62Jk61v058105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j62Jk0gi046973; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j62Jjv9T046952 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3633BFF5 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:45:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74BF8D40E for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:45:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701173627.035443f0@64.87.54.245> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The one who took over being King of England after Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 22:53:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j632rRkP016507 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j632mB98084325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j632m75d015661; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j632m5Si015628 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so472704nzp for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=egM76fdcAfZDTBU/UaYUN49YnShB45k2lL0y4M8m0HzBFy4MMCY2EJo0sc7vrP3FU3RsJizq+qHt2uJ3c8eZXJF8HP6PHzUyoWTgv/DOIJ7UxNASOd1Ca7Z3Fu7BmOzA22mHTcFqvLuOrrN5Vt0fJtmpshsgVNg17L4w7SXYg3I= Received: by 10.36.50.18 with SMTP id x18mr1085803nzx; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.14 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc80507021948761bff9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:48:00 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/964/Sat Jul 2 16:49:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/964/Sat Jul 2 16:49:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j632m5Si015628 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] AD- Patterns for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Patterns from my private stash. 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Paypal only also will take CC or debit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 10:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63E9Ulx004747 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63E8dbx044960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63E8ZiJ086305; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63E8SHR086230 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:06:21 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcV/PuqR8LeFGn/3TZuI4Omr57HkCAAmaWdw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2005 14:06:21.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[63CA4130:01C57FD8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ahh, James VI and I. (6th of Scotland, first of England) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca The one who took over being King of England after Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 13:18:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63HI0hT011292 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63HHOIP059489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63HHJCT072234; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63HHCkr072178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j63HCBlR010598 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:12:11 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42C81D94.2090803@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:17:08 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Folks, Could you email me off list about this -- I recieved an email via my website and I don't know who to send this fellow to; it's out of my range of competence. "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period Clothing." He's in the upper Midwest of the USA. If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and repost them to the list. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 16:21:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63KLHWO015416 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63KKMrl070529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63KKGqQ049712; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63KJwmC049534 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJ20029IJ5A7VQ0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.40] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.26]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:53 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42ccba742c9a6c.42c9a6c42ccba7@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would suggest Sykes Sutlering - they do wonerful stuff, and since the clothes are made in the owner's house - custom sizing could be done. sykesutler@worldnet.att.net attn: Raffaella Marr NAYY -- just a good observer of their stuff. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Virtue > "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing > for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. > I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period > Clothing." > > If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and > repost > them to the list. > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 19:49:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63NnDtl019208 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:49:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63Nmaoj081984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63NmXmt030962; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63NmRc0030891 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:46:17 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:48:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <42ccba742c9a6c.42c9a6c42ccba7@optonline.net> Thread-Index: AcWADMVqbiHeSo/7SMCsOKJldqRS2wAHAAmQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2005 23:46:17.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[67AE7C70:01C58029] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/965/Sun Jul 3 13:23:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/965/Sun Jul 3 13:23:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Top of the line that I have seen would be "Desert Torch tailoring."(also Pavilions) Located in Arizona- website seems to be down from where I am accessing from, you may have better luck. www.deserttorch.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant I would suggest Sykes Sutlering - they do wonerful stuff, and since the clothes are made in the owner's house - custom sizing could be done. sykesutler@worldnet.att.net attn: Raffaella Marr NAYY -- just a good observer of their stuff. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Virtue > "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing > for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. > I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period > Clothing." > > If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and > repost > them to the list. > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 10:15:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64EF7ec029457 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64EE7DA050613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EE3xl075198; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j64EE2Gm075117 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18245 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2005 14:13:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3hvmVWuSWic+HpE239T4yjRxl1qGgBImHNEUtVEjvZ7SGRLKPHR3jjgWqKf5ND6/yDOjZlFprOScE4lTTxq9Bw9dpHwlLqjKVm7Kr9S/SlaWyolPyKbepSJFtjv66jBrZbJdrXMMI7Nn1VnnhdUKqeYs5DMfxkD43GbWJvLOkA= ; Message-ID: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.119] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 07:13:56 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507011528.j61FRoVt069157@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? thanks Satine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 10:44:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64EiJo5029724 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64EhlVn052469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EhkGV088269; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EhYbQ088197 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBDD3FDA2 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 184F2394F; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCyUsWAADoBAEAAAAB,c9c993f8d44f4018ded56582fe8ce42b Message-Id: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] veils X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never have any trouble with mine, but then I cheat. I tack them to headbands - the kind that go around your hair Alice in Wonderland style. I use white ones because my hair is grey so they don't show even with sheer veils. Don't try to match the veil in color - match your hair. There may be a little slipping, but not enough to be a problem and I haven't lost a veil yet. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Lady Satine wrote: From: Lady Satine Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? thanks Satine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:00:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64G0Kkb002722 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64FxZrY058475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64FxXTC024790; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64FxTgk024775 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.237] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpTM0-0005LO-JE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:59:29 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c580b1$5a84da70$ed159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:59:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf0e92f692c5173eefb69b4f6cc2f7828350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.237 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Satine wrote: > However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing > ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep > veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? Pay attention to the rear views this week- last episode, when most of the women turned around, you could clearly see one or two fairly ornate pins holding the veils to the hair. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:12:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64GCMi3002880 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:12:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64GBrV7059340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GBonc030691; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GBlFE030661 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABC94208F for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 01005E4BA; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.100.182] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CyV+4AA6QEQEAAAAB,f7aa4393cdf4a336bd2ed3550de3de0c Message-Id: <20050704161136.01005E4BA@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The thing about 'snug-fitting' sleepwear for children has the rationale that the problem with traditional 'loose' nightgowns or PJs was that their excess fabric was much more likely to fall into the flame from a fire, or onto the heating element of those old bar heaters, than PJs with knit bands at the wrists and ankles, or nightgowns that were pretty much just a close fitting tube with sleeves. Many years ago ( 1985-86-ish ) there was a poster up on the wall of the Red-Cross Tea Room under the Brisbane City Hall ( it had a cloakroom where you could leave luggage while going about whatever business you had in town, toilets, shower, and mothers' room ) which had simple but effective illustrations of the 'good' styles, the 'bad' styles, and *why* the 'bad' styles where dangerous. ( I think there was a reasonably graphic depiction of small girl with her nightgown catching on fire from the skirt falling into a heater. ) It also recommended using sleepwear made from fire-retardant fabrics. In Australia, I think it has become less of an issue - at least, I haven't seen the topic addressed in sundry parent-child-oriented publications - as that particular style of heater was withdrawn from the market as being too dangerous, it was around that time that fan heaters and oil-filled heaters became the only types which you could buy. I also suspect that the majority of childrens sleepwear available in the shops is in the recommended styles, but I could be wrong about that, not having had to buy kiddies sleepwear. ( No kids yet! ;-) ) My 2 cents. Joannah. --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: From: AnnBWass@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:17:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric In a message dated 6/21/2005 4:55:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: I have several ready-made cotton children's pjs, and they are not flame retardant (and are so marked). yes, I've noticed in reading labels on ready-made sleepwear that evidently the legislation was changed to allow knit cotton fabrics for children's sleepwear, as long as they are "snug fitting." Don't know if that was a result of pressure from manufacturers, or consumers, or something else--I've been out of touch with all those issues for about 10 years now. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:47:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64Gl9vR003375 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:47:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64Gkgee062658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GkfjW047840; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GkbsA047816 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-34-069.jps.net ([209.165.34.69]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DpU5c-00053u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:46:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:44:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lady Satine wrote: >However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when >nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and >staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any >suggestions???? Ah, another person with slippery hair! :) Briefly, what you need is some sort of non-moving structure underneath the veil that you can pin it to. Two cloth bands will provide this. One goes under your chin and up to fasten on top of your head. The other goes around your forehead and fastens at the back of your head. Pin these two together where they cross. You can now pin your veil to these two bands and I guarantee you it will not go _anywhere_! The vertical band keeps the horizontal band from sliding backward or upward. These bands should be snug, but they don't need to be tight. Some people just use the horizontal band, but that doesn't work for me -- I have to make it so tight that it gives me a headache. Using both bands is much more comfortable. Instead of the chin band, you can also use a wimple -- a rectangle of cloth, with one edge under your chin and pinned at the top of your head, and the other edge hanging loose. Pull the loose bottom corners around to the back of your head and pin them together (I also usually pin them together about halfway down the back of my head). The wimple is every woman's friend after she turns 40: it's flattering to most faces, and if you wear one, nobody can tell how many chins you have! :)) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 06:12:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65ACmAk014398 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65AC5iX029834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65ABwnL090047; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64IRFgm093801 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11671 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:46:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:46:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Chris Laning wrote: > Instead of the chin band, you can also use a wimple -- a rectangle of > cloth, with one edge under your chin and pinned at the top of your > head, and the other edge hanging loose. Pull the loose bottom corners > around to the back of your head and pin them together (I also usually > pin them together about halfway down the back of my head). Another useful trick is to take a square or circle, and fold it on the diagonal. Put the center of the folded edge under your chin, and wrap the sides up to the top of your head and pin the folded corners together there, so that the folded edge frames your face. Pull the loose sides to the back and pin once or twice along the back of the head, as you describe above The folded edge will be elastic and very comfortable, staying snug while allowing you to move your jaw. Drop a veil over the top and pin here and there as needed. Do all this in linen, which is a little "sticky" anyway, and it will never slip. > The wimple is every woman's friend after she turns 40: it's flattering > to most faces, and if you wear one, nobody can tell how many chins you > have! :)) I love wimples for exactly this reason, but I generally do not wear one for my lectures, because people have to clearly see my bust and cleavage in the fitted dress for demonstration purposes. I should try to find some examples of chin-bands consistent with late 14th c. high fashion, which would serve the same purpose without concealing the cleavage. I do have images of clearly older women in fitted dresses, but they mostly are bare-necked, alas -- I even point out the sagging chins in one of my slides to show that older women wore the fitted fashion! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 06:15:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65AF745014428 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65AEhxG030113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65AEh2j091530; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j653Tb3H024507 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:29:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 60255 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2005 03:29:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lQJ5knpBDP6MKFiUmY7To/mqBv8b3GRj2OWh1I2VMov/ABllhyjNtg6v2cpDaIp0qkLX+9b/xuOXf0iMJieYV1ipOx3H5eZtk0roP3kld8zzoLOrKBjKRC0OrGyx40dWrvVXcx+EEdAw9X+q78qi1i8H/1ahx/4nN2i/lTs9aQQ= ; Message-ID: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:29:31 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have someone that has requested me to interpret this painting into real costume: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg Portrait of a Soldier 1555-59 Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm Museo del Prado, Madrid I lack practical experience with men's wear in general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out project, so I need to know just what I am committing to here. I see the following layers: *underwear *shirt *netherstocks *jerkin *possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves *Venetians/Breeches Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to start finding reference materials for construction? Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I get underway - just trying to design the embossing on that velvet will be a serious challenge. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. -Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 07:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65B7UsI015073 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65B6HSD036362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65B5dA8013330; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65B4wEa013062 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-27081); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:04:54 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:04:52 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:06:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >painting into real costume: > >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >1555-59 >Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm >Museo del Prado, Madrid > >I lack practical experience with men's wear in >general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out >project, so I need to know just what I am committing >to here. I see the following layers: >*underwear >*shirt >*netherstocks >*jerkin >*possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves >*Venetians/Breeches > >Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to >start finding reference materials for construction? > >Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I >get underway - just trying to design the embossing on >that velvet will be a serious challenge. > >Kathy > >It's never too late to be who you might have been. >-George Eliot >An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. >-Oscar Wilde I'm not certain what you mean by "embossing". All the fabric looks plain-surfaced on my monitor. The sleeves (and in this case the Venetians, too) look to my eyes like alternating strips of plain and box-pleated fabric. I once made a pair of sleeves that were described in the written material as "paned", but when I studied the portrait in great detail, I concluded that the "paned" strips were actually box-pleated. When I tried box-pleating alternate strips instead of making panes, the sleeves were easy to wear and looked very much like the portrait, right down to the way the artist showed the fabric at the elbows. It is a lot less work than finishing off innumerable small panes (plus, you don't need to have any fancy lining to show between the panes). You might want to look into the Gentleman's Wardrobe pattern set from Margo's Historic Patterns (www.margospatterns.com). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 08:09:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65C93bj015952 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65C8IIS056834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65C5vms040701; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65C5sX8040687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DpmBO-0004Ve-IH; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20050705070546.h60qn909h3c4ss8w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Joan Jurancich : > At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >> I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >> painting into real costume: >> >> http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg >> > > I'm not certain what you mean by "embossing". All the fabric looks > plain-surfaced on my monitor. > > The sleeves (and in this case the Venetians, too) look to my eyes > like alternating strips of plain and box-pleated fabric. *snippage* I suspect that what they're talking about is the horizontal strips separating the "box-pleated" panes. If you look at those, you may be able to see that there appears to be some sort of tracery pattern on them -- perhaps embroidery. This image is too small to really tell -- and I"m not finding a better one on the web. :-( Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 08:46:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65CkZfu016610 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65Ck40r065822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65ChgrI058383; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65ChfAm058335 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51133 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2005 12:43:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SN9uS2TOSV0vAIcANQErU14Bee9K36utqiVOoQDFMYYVQeBP89XkUEqncaKPZ5g+n/ZW1qbUFutQmqttO9VV5wgnamroxzVxmcX6JZKeXDBpFeQjT43fYP7jQy3Qt3+h/cSfGILNg1Q7s9uqyh+nqM6JA/IfvqGUbzxbWZw5z6s= ; Message-ID: <20050705124336.51131.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.142] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 05:43:36 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507041800.j64I02Rt082280@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] veils.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to everyone for the great Ideas for Veils. I am new to the is type of costume and Have recently discovered a sligtly damp veil in this heat (yes I am a heat wimp!) is so much cooler! I will play with both ideas and give an update after a few events!!!! I will need to tape it tonight. Husband has bosses coming over for a BBQ.. I will look! thanks S. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65D7cCD017026 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65D73A0070164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65D719S070257; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65D6vUY070167 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBNXBQXASG7S8S for (sender ); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78ki+yC9PzM5rDPafk2O+SzFI255vWddgg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KW58PYSV; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:05:57 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:00:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Message-ID: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,9-10,16-24,26-70 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 25:12:755128983 X-MAIL-INFO: 46c19599c9105169907d440c64a0817da0604dad71d1ddfd601901598d2d9059157139e04904451db050b0f9a599f9a5d4d1a5d40445214df534a98d4d391184a9e139553ded39b570951d191d9114d424a51dd1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To me, the sleeves look like they are a velvet or fine wool that has been slashed, then trim applied as horizontal bands separating the slashed sections. To get them to stand out, you cut the 'fashion fabric' slightly longer than the lining and then tack the horizontal bands to the lining and let the extra fabric naturally created the fullness. Unless you are planning to make linen under drawers (which were worn but not universally) then the long tails of the shirt function as underwear. The bottom of the shirt should fall well below the hips and could fall as low as just above the knee. There's a doublet under the jerkin made of the red fabric, so that's two 'outer' layers for the torso. The jerkin has the long, vertical slashes that were frequently found in Italian fashions. Hope you get really good at the slashes with horizontal bands because from what I can see, the doublet is made in the same way as the sleeves and trunkhose so you will be doing alot of it! Oh, and don't forget the stuffed codpiece....... Karen Seamstrix On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Kathy Page writes: > I have someone that has requested me to interpret this > painting into real costume: > > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > > Portrait of a Soldier > 1555-59 > Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm > Museo del Prado, Madrid > > I lack practical experience with men's wear in > general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out > project, so I need to know just what I am committing > to here. I see the following layers: > *underwear > *shirt > *netherstocks > *jerkin > *possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves > *Venetians/Breeches > > Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to > start finding reference materials for construction? > > Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I > get underway - just trying to design the embossing on > that velvet will be a serious challenge. > > Kathy > > It’s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. > -Oscar Wilde > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:33:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65DXrAS017580 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65DXLvp074593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DXJ5A084535; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DXFfA084489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j65DXEjl010840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <42CA8C19.60807@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:33:13 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wonder if that red material was a very find brushed or sueded leather. Leather breeches and jerkins were not unusual and of the few extant examples I've seen some were buttery soft and had a slight nap. That would certainly make the slashes easier--wouldn't have to finish any edges. Of course, reproducing the bands would then be a problem. If they are fabric over leather that might be hard to match color-wise and might look odd, and if they are tooled leather that would be really difficult. Unless it's embroidered leather. Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? - Hope > <> > Kathy Page writes: > > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > > Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I > get underway - just trying to design the embossing on > that velvet will be a serious challenge. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Dc2rx017665 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65DbgnM075408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DbgsX086722; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65Dbc5s086683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j65DfTU2027104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050705093654.017cd230@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:37:35 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <42CA8C19.60807@uvm.edu> References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can think of lots of gloves and a few shoes that were leather with gold or polychrome embroidery. Bridgette / Mari > Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 11:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Fe3uU019289 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65Fd6b5094499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65FcioU070024; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65Fc9wk069557 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F17B3179D94; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:38:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.12.50.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.12.50]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C991D179DEE for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:38:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:39:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j65Fe3uU019289 Status: RO I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out what exactly is out of the norm. A good example of what I am looking for is this bit of saints-wear, by Holbein Jr: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11b.jpg (small) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11a.jpg (same thing, just larger) which is clearly fanciful and allegorical, but bears a passing resemblance to something that could have been worn by a real person. Anyone seen anything along these lines? Any suggestions for artists who did a whole lot of allegorical works, but didn't use drapery styles? I've gotten so much in the (bad) habit of turning a blind eye to what's obviously, flat-out allegorical that I haven't even noticed which of my favorite artists did a lot of the kind of thing I'm looking for! Holbein Jr and Sr both did a good bit of it, as did Durer, but that's about as far as I've gotten. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 12:10:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65GASOn019640 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65G9qUT000305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65G9igZ096950; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65G9Ybw096778 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.148] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DppzH-0001OE-34 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c5817b$eb806d30$94159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b71ac082faeb294b46425c6034a6ea6db350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.148 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out what exactly is out of the norm. Try the Flemish artists like Quentin Massys and Marinus van Reymerswaele. Their works include paintings of saints and some moral allegories. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 12:47:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Gl7fI020065 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65GkSjR006761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65GkMRF029430; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65GkJ0R029364 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [68.167.255.65] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpqYr-0001qQ-LO for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:46:17 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=X8Lb2yuQDLb06OXCWH1zDs/wLNsnAuiY9KE6ZElsgg6j9sj1XDJ38C8e6ll6eUAR; Message-ID: <002101c58181$18fe7220$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com><20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20050705093654.017cd230@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:46:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c0195f81fbc38847be2d9985a073b955a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.255.65 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Historical Costume in Detail has a doublet from about 1625-1630 that is leather with embroidery. Melusine > > I can think of lots of gloves and a few shoes that were leather with gold > or polychrome embroidery. Bridgette / Mari > >> Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 15:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65J4NJX021514 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:04:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65J3mHE028259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65J3jBI040699; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65J3asc040515 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.146] (pm5-146.eos.net [205.133.149.146]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j65J3POt002847 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:03:26 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:55:13 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: portrait of a soldier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jerusha wrote: > I suspect that what they're talking about is the horizontal strips separating > the "box-pleated" panes. If you look at those, you may be able to see that > there appears to be some sort of tracery pattern on them -- perhaps > embroidery. > This image is too small to really tell -- and I"m not finding a better one > on the web. :-( On my screen, the horizontal strips show up very well. They look more like a jaquard weave to me. That might not be the right term. What I am trying to say is a geometric pattern woven into threads of the same color. That's how I would recreate it, not as embroidery or embossing. But a very gorgeous outfit, however you interpret it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 15:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Jq6Rp022023 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:52:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65JpXP7036401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65JpUCB076951; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65JpRsB076897 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF14C3C63B for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6288FD466 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The red material is either red suede leather or velvet. The sleeves could be box pleated but the left forearm and the right cuff make me lean towards slashes and that the bands are non - applied bands but of the same sleeve material with embroidery to stop the slashes. Basically, one solid sleeve with alternating slashes and bands. So the suede route might be easier and you could possibly embossed instead of embroider. Note that the sleeve cuffs have small cloth covers buttons. Note that the codpiece uses the "embroidered" band design only, no slashes. The black jerkin looks to be velvet. The garment seems to be a bit odd on the right shoulder region so I not sure about the cut there. I am not sure what he has in his hand but it isn't gloves. Though I don't think there is underwear underneath this, you might want to make him a set of linen boxers for his own modern mind comfort. (unless he's use to not wearing any underwear.) From my understanding the pants and codpiece are what help the special package from bouncing around to much. Long shirt.. Actually, Margo Anderson has a good pattern for Men that may cut your trouble in half http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm Just scroll down to the men's pattern, go to the site for that pattern. Good luck on your challenge. De -----Original Message----- I have someone that has requested me to interpret this painting into real costume: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg Portrait of a Soldier 1555-59 Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm Museo del Prado, Madrid (snip) Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:01:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65L1I7I022700 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65L0R8I048641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65L0G8Z028526; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65L0DkD028467 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DpuWa-0004sh-7U for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:58:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images References: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not sure about specific artists, but check out crucifixion scenes and look for Mary Magdalene. She is very often distinguished from the other women by wearing something outlandish, particularly in sleeves or headgear. Jean E House wrote >I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from >c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & >Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, >Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of >allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's >normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out >what exactly is out of the norm. > >A good example of what I am looking for is this bit of saints-wear, by >Holbein Jr: >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11b.jpg (small) >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11a.jpg (same thing, just larger) >which is clearly fanciful and allegorical, but bears a passing >resemblance to something that could have been worn by a real person. > >Anyone seen anything along these lines? Any suggestions for artists >who did a whole lot of allegorical works, but didn't use drapery >styles? I've gotten so much in the (bad) habit of turning a blind eye >to what's obviously, flat-out allegorical that I haven't even noticed >which of my favorite artists did a lot of the kind of thing I'm looking >for! Holbein Jr and Sr both did a good bit of it, as did Durer, but >that's about as far as I've gotten. > >-E House >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LPEEm022958 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LOnRJ052940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LOmKo046805; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LOhno046720 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQAT8DAKLS8YDXXA@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:24:39 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQAT8E7C0M987PPJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:24:40 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:26:27 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-reply-to: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CAFB03.5000004@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >1555-59 >Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm >Museo del Prado, Madrid > >I lack practical experience with men's wear in >general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out >project, so I need to know just what I am committing >to here. I see the following layers: >*underwear >*shirt >*netherstocks >*jerkin >*possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves >*Venetians/Breeches > >Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to >start finding reference materials for construction? > > Mostly. I'd have to guess that he's wearing a black jerkin over a red doublet. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:27:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LR8Vn022987 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LQcCe053221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LQaxf048081; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LQWC1047959 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.128.60243bd6 (15700) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R33 (fwm-r33.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.137]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5442cafaf919; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74FBF50AD4B9E-FB8-13A2F@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:17 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe you could find a well-illustrated book with a general overview of Flemish saints or something? I just picked up a pretty nice little book about angels from Taschen. I'm making some Christmas angel dolls for my craft booth and I needed inspiration for the costumes. It gave a pretty good overview of lots of artists in different time periods, which gives me a basis to do more research. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LT3oo023003 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LSabL053482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LSYiZ049437; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LST7C049379 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQATD2F78095V2R3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:26 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQATD3AQSG987QM3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:27 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:30:14 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CAFBE6.4090304@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >Though I don't think there is underwear underneath this, you might want to >make him a set of linen boxers for his own modern mind comfort. (unless he's >use to not wearing any underwear.) From my understanding the pants and >codpiece are what help the special package from bouncing around to much. > > Nope. White linen drawers would have been the norm. (Can you imagine the condition of a pair of venetians made of non-washable fabric after a few wearings without underpants? Ugh!!) -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:30:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LU1iJ023012 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LTb8Z053624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LTYVF050157; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LTLJf049964 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1e4.3eddd8fb (16099) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R33 (fwm-r33.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.137]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee342cafba314a; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74FBFB5FA1590-FB8-13A62@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:07 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotton velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO By the way, Fabric.com has eight earthtone-type shades of cotton velvet right now for $10.65 a yard, if anyone's interested. Tara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 18:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65MC2e0023317 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65MBJN4057938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MBDRB081447; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MB5Om081330 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67573C0C4 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDB5C4FB for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42CAFBE6.4090304@paradise.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh that is so good to know! I have seen the results of leather loinclothes that haven't been cleaned and their not a pretty sight. EEww De -----Original Message----- Nope. White linen drawers would have been the norm. (Can you imagine the condition of a pair of venetians made of non-washable fabric after a few wearings without underpants? Ugh!!) -- Adele de Maisieres _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 18:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65MuNK5023752 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65MtMqR062199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MtKFr011972; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MtHoF011924 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25960 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:14:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:14:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images In-Reply-To: <8C74FBF50AD4B9E-FB8-13A2F@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean wrote: > Not sure about specific artists, but check out crucifixion scenes and > look for Mary Magdalene. She is very often distinguished from the > other women by wearing something outlandish, particularly in sleeves > or headgear. Tea rose wrote: > Maybe you could find a well-illustrated book with a general overview > of Flemish saints or something? I just picked up a pretty nice little > book about angels from Taschen. I'm guessing these are indeed the sort of thing E was looking for, but just in case, it's worth making a clarification: Not all non-realistic costumes are allegorical. Allegory is a particular kind of non-literal portrayal (the presentation of a quality or concept via symbols) -- think of images of the virtues or Fate or the Church. The use of attributes to identify saints is iconographical, not allegorical. The use of "foreign" or "historic" elements to mark characters in a story is a visual means of showing distance in place or time. You can have allegorical elements working in the same figure as iconography or other visual symbolism, but they're not all the same thing. So: Mary Magdalen is not an allegorical figure; she's historical/religious/biblical. Her costume may include specific accepted attributes for identification (e.g. the ointment jar), symbols to put her in a time/place context (foreign headdress, Biblical sandals), and/or elements to indicate her personal characteristics (sexy or expensive clothing to indicate her background as a courtesan, undone hair to indicate grief, a cross or rosary to indicate piety, etc.). None of those happen to be allegorical in the technical sense. Costumer's shorthand, though, tends to call all of these things "allegorical," because they are all unreliable for a realistic interpretation. And I think we all understand that, but I figured it was worth pointing out that not all scholars outside of costume would understand the term in this way. So if E wants to ask an art historian for examples of "allegorical art," she'll get only a subset of what she's probably looking for. And if she describes certain uses as allegorical, some people will misunderstand what she is saying. This is something I have been sloppy about in the past, and I should have known better, since my original exposure to this terminology was through art history and literary criticism, not costume! I tend to be much more careful when talking with other scholars than when I'm talking with costumers who I'm certain are more interested in the basic distinction of real/not-real, not "why is it not real." E, if you're looking for the migration of certain costume elements from real life to symbolic use, or the other way around, you might do well to distinguish the various types of symbolic use, e.g. you may find the pattern in some forms of painting but not others. To the medieval artist, there was as much difference between an historical treatment and an allegorical one as there was between a either of those and a portrait. And as much overlap! --Robin --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 20:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j660tFrt024781 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:55:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j660seMd071057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j660sY0Z075174; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j660sVt3075156 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3DFC6208F8; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:57:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.70.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.70]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C79BF20332 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:57:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <028f01c581c5$7aa98e80$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was definitely using 'allegorical' as shorthand, since it's the most common term used on this list for the type of thing I'm seeking. I'm looking for images of saints, foreigners, religious figures, historical figures, allegorical figures, and even royalty depicted in clothing that is, for one reason or another, not what would have been worn by any actual human being of that time period. I'm also looking for fashions that are odd enough that it would take a lot of proof to call them realistic. But that takes a lot longer to say. =} I do ask in different terms on a list like this than I would ask in, say, a museum. However, it is certainly good to make that distinction--especially since I'm looking for as large a subset as possible! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 00:39:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j664djnf026578 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:39:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j664d1kg085676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j664ctjJ073362; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j664coq5073327 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Dq1gQ-0003Db-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:38:50 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:37:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Items of possible interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got my weekly online ad from Hancock's Fabric - normally I just ignore them, but this looks like it might have interest for those who do needlework at events: It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver and gold finishes. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 04:02:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6682dAp029102 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6681rrT005019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j667xPFY054338; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j667xM3R054295 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-25007); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:59:22 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706005735.0301cb40@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:01:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:37 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: >I just got my weekly online ad from Hancock's Fabric - normally I >just ignore them, but this looks like it might have interest for >those who do needlework at events: > > > >It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape >measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver >and gold finishes. > >Sandy Some of these would be lovely for 19th century events (especially for 1870s or later). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 04:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j668S5vi002980 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j668RRTk012048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j668ROgb064691; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j668RKgv064669 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D43F5DD5A for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:27:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kathy, It sounds like your listing of garments is about right, although I call a waistcoat a doublet. I am not as familiar with the Italian styles, but I have done a few men's 16th c. garments in the past few years, English and German (who so loved those cuttes and slashes). You may get more info on the slashing and cuttes from those who do German fashions. There is a group on yahoogroups, and the people there are very helpful (and some were on here, but not sure if they still are). Some observations, fwiw. The fabric to me appears to be a sueded leather, velvet or even a fulled tight weave yet fuzzy looking wool (similar to today's heavy coat wool). My reasoning is that on the upper thigh, it appears more to be a reversed embossing where the pile has flattened along the decorative edges and is shiny there while the design and main material is matte in appearance. I don't know if they could do a reversed emboss back then, so that's just speculation on my part. If the fabric is leather or a tight, fulled wool, cuttes are easily done with no fraying of the edges. If the fabric is velvet, then the edges might not be finished. Many articles of pinked and slashed garments in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion book shows obvious fraying. What can minimize fraying is cutting on the bias, or glueing the edges if you really want (like Fraycheck, although that *will* change the look of the fabric). It may be that the sleeves and breeches were created on the bias to allow the slits to be vertical, yet still minimize the fraying, and allow for a comfortable, yet relatively tight fit, and allow for good movement, something a soldier would want. The jerkin is obviously slashed to show the doublet underneath. There may be a third slash that cannot be seen because of the angle of the model. However, considering the right slash (from the viewer) is showing the buttons of the doublet, I am inclined to think there is a third slash further right showing off more of the cut work of the doublet underneath. You can sew the lining to the fashion fabric of the jerkin to prevent any fraying, or sew them in sections for a similar effect. I am wondering what the bump on the side of the codpiece really is. It breaks the line of the jerkin's edge. I also wonder what the shiny thing above the codpiece is as well. On the small slashes of the sleeves and breeches, from experience I know that when a garment area is cut in that manner, it will naturally open up a bit more, giving the look of being bigger than the bands that aren't cut. It is my suggestion to have one piece of material, and alternate between cut bands and uncut fabric, instead of sewing larger cut bands onto uncut bands. However, the best thing is to experiment with this yourself, and see what you think is best. And definitely stabilize the collar area of the jerkin, padstitching the foundation fabrics to the main fabric. I did that for my husband's doublet, and it really gets that collar to stay upright and proper looking. Good luck, and keep us informed on your progress. I would love to see your final garments. Kimiko At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >painting into real costume: > >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >> >Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 10:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j66EoXm1032511 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:50:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j66EnmHZ036297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66EniT3039587; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66Endm9039493 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706F042059 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 51FDE37DB4; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cos } pants........ what a "waist" X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Cy++CAAQmwAEAAAAB,f3b538f44c799700ebd5b756e6539a88 Message-Id: <20050706144938.51FDE37DB4@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/969/Wed Jul 6 02:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/969/Wed Jul 6 02:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heavens, yes! I made a simple skirt, with an elastisized waist in a casing, for a Magenta costume, for the same young friend who only wore hipster jeans - and she kept pulling the skirt down on her hips! She politely listened when I adjusted the skirt back to where it belonged, and then promptly pulled it back down again. At least she never tried to do that with the loaner skirt she had for her 17thC costume. :-) Although she would have been tripping over the hem all the time if she did that. Joannah. --- Lynn Downward wrote: Then again, I have had the same discussion with my two teen-age daughters about where their waists are. It's pitiful to try to fit anything with a hoop skirt on them because they insist that the waist of the skirt goes down where their jean tops are. And they're angry at me because I don't know my own anatomy! I ask, "Does it fit better here and does it feel better here?" "Yeah." "And that's where it belongs, right near your belly button." "But that's not where my waist is." I've given up the semantic argument and tell them that These Particular Clothes fit HERE not where they wear their jeans. That sometimes ends argument for the time. LynnD _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 14:49:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j66InggC003643 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:49:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j66In7wA063389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66In2wG041246; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66ImvAw041195 for ; 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Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:29:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673T34s015591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:29:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673Ssen089889; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673Souj089819 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.75 ([204.127.135.75]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005070703284511100o8197e>; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:28:45 +0000 Received: from [24.12.12.38] by 204.127.135.75; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 Message-Id: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673cwGY010614 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673cV29016139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673cTr0094346; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673cNbb094305 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQCKKYPJF495V16B@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:38:18 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQCKKYEBYA95VK2M@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:38:18 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:40:06 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-reply-to: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CCA416.5070909@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sarafina Sinclair wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > Depends... if the doublet's being worn over bodies or a kirtle-bodies (as it should), it should only be a matter of using sufficient hooks and eyes. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673lnan010694 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:47:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673lP4c016771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lO9K098695; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lJPd098654 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EBA5D1EB for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204342.034e9480@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:46:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019 B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan >doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large >busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps >and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net Hello Sarafina, The best suggestion I have is to place the hooks where they are just peeking over the one edge, and then place the eyes further in from the edge (and further in then you think at first glance). Then to alternate between the hooks and eyes, if you are sewing each set individually (vs. using hook & eye tape). hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:51:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673pki7010720 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673oBPV016973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673oB6A000153; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j673o9vV099992 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78726 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 03:50:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050707035001.78723.qmail@web81407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.162] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:50:01 PDT X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42CCA416.5070909@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And setting the hooks and eyes into the seam/between the lining and outer layer of fabric, so only a bit of the hook or eye shows. alex --- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Sarafina Sinclair wrote: > > >Greetings, > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's > elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes > (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with > uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes > and laced it up. > > > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Depends... if the doublet's being worn over bodies or a kirtle-bodies > > (as it should), it should only be a matter of using sufficient hooks > and > eyes. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Quot homines, tot sententiae. > ----------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 01:05:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6755rB2011393 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67552Yv023419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6754x8O035387; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6754tBa035360 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m136.in-tch.com [216.166.191.136]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j674xQq22365 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:10:49 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In one word, boning. Not only good boning in the corset she's surely wearing underneath, but also additional boning in the doublet, especially along the edges where you're putting the fasteners. Also, ensuring the doublet fits properly, and making it out of fabrics that aren't flimsy will help. I don't wear 'bethans much any more, having largely gone to an earlier time period for my SCA stuff, but I'm extremely large-busted, and as long as the top was fitted and boned, and of sufficient strength, I never had a gaposis problem. --sue p.s. Putting the hooks and eyes relatively close together helps as well. I tended to use the pre-made hook-and-eye tape when I could get away with it. ;o) Sarafina Sinclair wrote: > Greetings, > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan > doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large > busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable > gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it > up. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 01:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6756QHO011402 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67560qn023468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6755xpM035831; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6755ufP035755 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1ec.3e810c48 (4552) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.3e810c48.2ffe122d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Set the hooks slightly back from the edge, and have the eye slightly out from the opposing edge, with a strip of the fashion fabric protruding about an inch or so behind them as an underlap. Use lots of them. If the front is curved [as is the cut in Janet Arnold], it helps to run a line of running stitches at the bulge of the curve and SLIGHTLY ease in the outside edge. You can do this right on the fold if self faced.....so it won't show. Press it on a ham. This is particularly effective if you have an overlap or underlap...like with buttons, but will help with edge to edge closings too. The ease thingie is good on 18 century men's coats with curved CFs too....even if the don't close at all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 02:53:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j676rjAe030271 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:53:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j676r6TI029939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j676qtt9084667; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j676qp75084642 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18021); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:52:46 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:52:46 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706235420.03068c90@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:54:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's >elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes >(for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with >uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all >eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net My doublet closes with hooks and eyes. The hooks and eyes need to be no more than about an inch apart and placed so that the front edges of the doublet meet; any farther apart and they leave gaps. Also, the doublet should not be too tightly fitted; leave a little bit of ease. The hooks and eyes should not be straining to hold the doublet closed. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 08:49:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67CnRdA015949 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Cmrk7064600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67CmfNk038058; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67CmceP038025 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523C23FFC0 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2E7F43952; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCzSShAAJbmgEAAAAB,c3479373f36cf0467c55e08fe4f728e8 Message-Id: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Boning down both edges helps. Put the hooks and eyes about an inch apart (yep, it's a real bother, but closer is better) AND add a modesty panel along one side. It will make you feel more secure and will hide any little gaps that happen from time to time no matter how well made and how well fitted the doublet is. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) wrote: From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Greetings, Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 08:59:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67CxhBk016074 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Cx8bU065912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Cx50b044050; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Cx0c7043953 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-95-9.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.95.9]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j67CwvXX013588 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> <42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them and are they alright? I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:19:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DJ3U0016315 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:19:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DHvm0067539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DHugO054577; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DHrk1054498 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN4L4KA28UUDA for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zETe0mMkO6O7uG7b8WZx+WeYtHNtMTKcg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXBD4FJ7; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:16:21 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:07:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Message-ID: <20050707.080759.-152488379.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-12,14-29 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 9:4:3354974657 X-MAIL-INFO: 2a41fd19fde45105e45180ad518039a509a414299934a484507499c58415b9d484cd9d94412141649080655141ad X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard from Teddy and he's okay. He was at work by the time the explosions happened. He will probably be stuck staying at a friend's house this evening as the Tube service from where he works (north and west in London) to where he lives (Wimbledon, far south of London) is pretty much nonfunctional. Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:52 -0400 "Ailith Mackintosh" writes: > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard > from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am > concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:21:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DLY3E016343 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DL1Ar067656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DL1T1056285; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DKvgR056197 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.42 ([204.127.135.42]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005070713205211100o7pkce>; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:52 +0000 Received: from [72.255.31.174] by 204.127.135.42; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:20:51 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:20:51 +0000 Message-Id: <070720051320.1904.42CD2C330002860A00000770216028130202019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I think my problem was the spacing on the hooks and eyes. I need to move them closer together and change where they sit on the edge. I do wear a proper corset and all the other stuff that goes under the doublet and it fits quite well. I guess with lacing you can get away with the eyes being farther apart. It already has 28 sets of eyes and I will probably have to add in half again as many. I was hoping to not have to remove all of them and start over, but that's life. The closer you get to the end of a project, the more work that pops up. I hope to wear this gown in a few weeks and I'll post pics on my website. Thanks again! Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:33:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DXSN8016498 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DWxfK068418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DWwYV063062; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DWqFB062964 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m245.in-tch.com [216.166.191.245]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j67DRJq24073; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42CD3064.1090207@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:38:44 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , "H-Needlework@ansteorra.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was horrified to read in the news this morning that some damned terrorist group was setting off bombs in London today, and that there were casualties. My thoughts and prayers are with anyone dealing with the effects of that violence.... Does anyone have a way of contacting Teddy, and seeing if he's okay? I know he's off-list at the moment.... --Sue from Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DmNM1016677 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DlmAk069613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Dlk0N071569; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DlSn6071369 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55739 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 13:47:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PyeVrj5O2V+vOqNbDEYVXV3b7m4M/gbmhG68qWLEfw/GifR9ts1FrpIAsKAqXawQUAa481mbg3JqGBjQE9WkVWVO5lMeAd9TAU7UFStinEmZ6TZtwE96MbmVEdVcHgIRlqzKSCxvxkxYTUsQWp1YImgSK9Ow8I0qsKBR1Q9dGt8= ; Message-ID: <20050707134723.55737.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.100] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:47:23 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507071330.j67DTxxF061171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 440 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am rally glad to hear that our London Frieds are Okay! 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Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 10:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67ECc6B017028 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67EC7u9071460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EC0Fa087327; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67EBuAS087223 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7076 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 14:11:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=StqZcLuoKtdcOCs0gHiW1U3QBtG/CKmii74lxrNm8fflVn4qDhENifQEDYAlMS6qbIyFS3mctje/M73tG0TwmYtpkLHQoieV9rV+i4c79QO69PZACKuTQ3lLZ+e8Yc6ey0j8Kuj/7179X/e+AxvfXLEttMcSwrW5ZmMPJTJPqB0= ; Message-ID: <20050707141150.7074.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:11:50 BST Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:11:50 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] London troubles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List folks London is indeed in trouble - so far four explosions, timed to cause a lot of pain and injury. It will be tomorrow before final death and casualty numbers are known since explosions took place within tunnels on the tube. Further controlled explosions have taken place but they don't seem to think any more will take place. Suzi - are you ok??? You and all the otherlondoners are in our thoughts. Susan, feeling guilty for complaining about the G8 protesters in her backyard all weekend... ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 10:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67ExMAT017768 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67EwemI076189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EwcTZ021644; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EwUkL021472 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.55]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050707145824.PXJI1636.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:58:19 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 7 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David Brown Books has notified me that "NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way to us in a surface shipment." Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:16:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GG6FZ018987 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GFMm7084860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GFG9Y082493; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lJQH098657 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C0F5D82D for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204654.034e8e18@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:49 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Belt clasp for the sword belt. > >-----Original Message----- >(snip) > I also wonder what the shiny thing >above the codpiece is as well. That's an interesting style for a belt clasp. Thanks. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GILet019048 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GHmaT085134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GHmr3084548; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67D7Vaw048909 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.160]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C4CB47FEBC for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c582f4$d50ac0d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:07:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I hope also everybody we know are safe. It is really scary. They also told Denmark to keep out of the war, so i guess Copenhagen could be hit next time, i use the subway every day to my work. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from > them and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GIQUc019051 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GI9tn085221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GI9nR084899; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DcJUn066032 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j67DcDx28803.; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:38:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:38:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:37:54 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j67GIQUc019051 Status: RO Is Stevie Gamble still on list? I know she lives in London. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GIjrP019064 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GI2x4085194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GI1Js084796; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DTsTl061090 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: (qmail 75301 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 13:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.134.14 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 13:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:32:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:20:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GKYZp019095 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GJduf085465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GJb5I086173; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GEMG7081868 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 22C60D4110; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.103]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2E9D3F0E for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c5830e$e6fe1840$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: <200507071330.j67DTxxE061171@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:13:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-30.0 required=8.0 tests=RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: folks in London OK? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is simply stunning news. I shouldn't be surprised. But I am. Look, from Canada, from the Stephens household (which has very deep roots in England) we send all our thoughts and wishes. Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:22:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GMs3u019137 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:22:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GMQlU085799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GMOZH088633; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GMJ5i088528 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id MAA06873; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:22:18 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200507071622.MAA06873@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:22:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200507071330.j67DTxxF061171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j67GMJ5i088528 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hanging a hanging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may be a bit off topic since it's not clothing...but it is historic. A friend is trying to research how wall hangings were actually hung. I suggested she get in touch with some English museums but then remembered there are many UK folks here. How did they keep those gorgeous tapestries on the castle walls? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GZJiU019354 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GY2UK087035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GDg80081323; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j673i3hJ097152 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18098); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:44:02 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:44:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706204001.0306dc10@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:45:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019 B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's >elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes >(for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with >uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all >eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net My doublet closes with hooks and eyes. The hooks and eyes need to be no more than about an inch apart and placed so that the front edges of the doublet meet; any farther apart and they leave gaps. Also, the doublet should not be too tightly fitted; leave a little bit of ease. The hooks and eyes should not be straining to hold the doublet closed. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GjYUT019584 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GixXK088925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GiuSX007820; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67GiqJL007617 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail31.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.171]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN4Y9XAHS8GUA for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:44:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zETe0mMkO6OWRiCC2h84rRyY5dj1rjgYA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail31.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXBRZKFJ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:44:29 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail31.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:44:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:44:01 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050707.094429.3631.362554@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2733192785 X-MAIL-INFO: 457b7f6f7f67020367028fbf028f4ac773ea5f1f1eaeeace8b2e1eebce9b7a9ecee7fe0f7b777b1b2b8f0a027bbf X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.171|webmail31.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to hear you are okay too, Stevie! Karen Seamstrix -- "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" wrote: My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:48:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67Gm06q019626 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GlWfA089274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GlWk5010032; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GlRNU009987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DqZWx-0008CA-MJ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20050707114719.epyclax71nc0cgk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets References: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple of folks have mentioned hook-and-eye tape; and I've seen/heard several folks say to alternate hooks and eyes on each side; and most folks say "close together." What about using hook and eye tape and then attaching additional "opposite" fasteners (i.e., hooks on the eye-side, and eyes on the hook-side) between the ones that are already on the tape? Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 14:24:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67IORaC021117 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67INZEs099911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67INUZh087341; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67INP5L087247 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.160]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F14D65EE068 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004601c58320$f2531350$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com><000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:23:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Stephen, and all others in London Glad that you are ok and Bella two. Give her a big hug from me. It is terrible................. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, > and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was > supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good > to hear that Teddy is fine > Stevie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ailith Mackintosh" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM > Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > > >> Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard > from them >> and are they alright? >> >> I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am > concerned. >> >> kate >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 15:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67JLMi3021986 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:21:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67JKesw005871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JKX2H032675; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JKQn4032433 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j67JKDOt021106 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:20:13 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:12:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507071800.j67I06AO069085@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: london bombings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO British members: I am so sorry to hear the news about the bombings. It's been on the television and radio all day here. My heart goes out to all of you and your countrymen. Gail Finke in Cincinnati, Ohio _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 16:05:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67K58gK022661 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67K4EeX010162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JZnHv044799; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67JYvNo044143 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77518 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 19:34:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vwdiwAryOgW+JKu7r7uiXfk9/8pws/kp7L+DigE07M1kUso2DG45c6A2obREbPBMN6xE6W1qzniT/wLqTclZZdPPDG4RMzMe2hf+aaxYqD5zKFy+zn097irIty0uNxsvzciLtYJQRMVzNMZWH31qNuA4mkbFVwwjuAEs7BnuJgA= ; Message-ID: <20050707193452.77516.qmail@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:34:52 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stevie, I'm so glad to hear from you! You and Bella were the first thing I thought of when I heard about the bombs. Continue to take care, and take care of Bella. Pam Dotson STEPHANIE GAMBLE wrote: My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 16:17:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67KHPWU022881 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67KGtcE011769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67KGqeA076817; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67KGa8B076570 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN5DMRAR5XGX2 for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgm1QUR9f4dvxFq/RmZW/0yM= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXB53GKD; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:15:15 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:09:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Message-ID: <20050707.131416.552.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3136527579 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank God she is all right! Very glad our friends over there are ok. Arlys On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:32:01 +0100 "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" writes: > My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, > and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was > supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. > Good > to hear that Teddy is fine > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 18:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67MUcJ2025356 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:30:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67MU6xu025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67MTo6L081012; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67MTlLI080914 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1d6.40069a19 (18403) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:29:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope everybody down south's ok. Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 19:56:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67NuF7C027047 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Nt8cS038943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Nt6ba035090; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com ([66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Nt1Qq034966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j681HkWf016603 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:17:50 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:54:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507071954.51150.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 07 July 2005 10:58 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David > Brown Books has notified me that > > "NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way > to us in a surface shipment." Arrrgh. August. Thanks for the information, though; I was beginning to wonder. They originally thought they might have it by the end of June. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 22:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j682QQHQ028394 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:26:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j682KaVg048845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j682KVUS007759; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5OHKqbc040361 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F42540E80; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E707437D66; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Authentic SCA X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.100.182] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CvEC3AA6EzQEAAAAK,b1300ca52c83a67c2bb858a7373ae566 Message-Id: <20050624171951.E707437D66@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/956/Fri Jun 24 05:10:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:20:30 -0600 Cc: Nicola Boyd , Historic Costume List , Reconstructing History , Schaz Stevens , Natalie Young , Caleb Gibbs , English Civil War Society of Qld , TheCostumersManifesto , The Renaissance Tailor Subject: [h-cost] Corset, for a giggle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Had to share this - it gave me a major case of the giggles :-D http://thedevilspanties.keenspace.com/d/20050623.html Hope you enjoyed! Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 01:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j685tcN7030618 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:55:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j685sfpq063509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j685sacL000621; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j685sY5M000605 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb27.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAB03FBE6 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roar X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CzhUZAAobagEAAAAB,89e294688b25fa7f86370350aca92e49 Message-Id: <20050708055433.ABAB03FBE6@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Regarding Roar - I have some friends and aquaintances who were extras on the series - one of these aquaintances was *obviously* pregnant during filming, and somebody involved in the production asked her, in terms of astonishment, " Did they have babies that way back then? " ( or words to that effect ). Doh! Joannah --- Lady Satine wrote: I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 02:08:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6867xqW000735 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6867WoC064175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6867VfL005655; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6867QY0005589 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84C5E0000C7 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:07:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <42CE1846.5010102@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:08:06 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: London References: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On behalf of my fellows, many thanks for all your messages of sympathy. They are much appreciated. Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > Hope everybody down south's ok. > > Debbie. > _______________________________________________ Here on the edge of the London region, we're alright. Life goes on as usual - just a different cause for today's traffic jams. A few people have 'lucky escape' stories to tell. It's the usual aftermath of another attempt to terrorise us. You'd think history would tell them it's not worth it. Others have tried a lot harder and not succeeded. Is anyone keeping a record of changes in uniform of the emergency services staff? Future re-enactors might want to know! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 02:41:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j686fRCT011762 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j686eXKQ066399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j686eVA2019200; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j686eRAU019155 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 84025 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 06:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 06:40:21 -0000 Message-ID: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:40:22 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 05:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j689pRfR025665 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j689olKp090343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j689oi6H095393; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j689ofAx095368 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb30.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FF0405BB for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CzkxwAAuVMAEAAAAB,d036e564d1507ff4f984275a2d9ee1ce Message-Id: <20050708095040.C6FF0405BB@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A couple of sites I found by googling 'linen care' and ' bleaching yellowed linen'. http://www.srfabrics.com/care/linen.htm http://www.touchofeurope.net/care.html - this site you need to scroll down to the relevant parts. Good luck with whatever you decide to try. Joannah. --- Elizabeth Young wrote: From: Elizabeth Young Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:40:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 06:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68A2lwi029596 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68A2RIZ090798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68A2RVG099832; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68A2NiM099807 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j68A2JXZ011849 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:19 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j68A2Gbf465170 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708030020.03362aa8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 03:02:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question In-Reply-To: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I think the relationship is that Damask is a fabric produced by the jacquard weaving method. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 07:12:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68BCh8f000816 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68BBSqp094367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BBOkL028321; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BB1u4028143 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.155.5400f047 (25305) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <155.5400f047.2fffb93e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:03:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: I think the relationship is that Damask is a fabric produced by the jacquard weaving method. That is close. Damask and brocade are both elaborately patterned weaves. Damask always has a satin background and is reversible. Brocade can have a satin or twill background and is not reversible. The jacquard attachment, invented in the early 19th century, could be attached to a loom automate such patterns, as it were. The most elaborate patterns can be woven on the simplest loom--it just takes forever! The draw loom, where each thread is controlled individually, enabled patterned weaves, but was still very slow--a "drawboy" would draw up each row of threads according to the pattern for the weaver. The "barrel" loom was another development in patterned weaving--think of a mechanism kind of like the cylinder in a music box. So, jacquard is NOT a weave, nor is it even a loom--it is an attachment that can be installed on a loom. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 07:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68BY2YZ001059 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68BXXe4095738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BXWTP037519; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BXSTW037432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476CB150061 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21335-02-29 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourajsk2d7kxx (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E512E150074 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03f801c583b0$d744cbe0$c2b6eb40@yourajsk2d7kxx> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42CD3064.1090207@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? > I was horrified to read in the news this morning that some damned > terrorist group was setting off bombs in London today, and that there > were casualties. My thoughts and prayers are with anyone dealing with > the effects of that violence.... > Does anyone have a way of contacting Teddy, and seeing if he's okay? I > know he's off-list at the moment.... Teddy posted several times to Live Journal yesterday. He was stuck in London, but unhurt. Dianne > --Sue from Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 08:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68CI61s001457 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68CHGAP098613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CHDxH058200; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CH8ZR058156 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j68CHO57002934 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:17:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j68CH6T7204212 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708051527.03328c70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:17:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question In-Reply-To: <155.5400f047.2fffb93e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Damask always has a satin background and is reversible. Brocade can have a >satin or twill background and is not reversible. I thought the difference between Damask and Brocade was that Damask was all one color and Brocade was more than one. But both could be woven by the Jacquard process, involving those punch-cards. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 08:29:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68CTHcY001559 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:29:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68CStIL099263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CSsRt063129; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CSpeC063068 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1ec.3e9437dd (4426) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.3e9437dd.2fffcb7b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:28:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2005 8:18:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: thought the difference between Damask and Brocade was that Damask was all one color and Brocade was more than one. And I believe you are right about that--I think that damask is all one color. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 16:49:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68KnUT7007312 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68KmV4v049374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KmLZA014783; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KmHRv014674 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:48:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 20:48:12.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B359FE0:01C583FE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing > ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep > veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? The secret is pins. I've used two methods 1 - I make a little bunch of hair with rubber bands (they don't slip like elastics made for hair tend to do), one at the front of my head, one at the back, and pin through the elastic to keep the veil in place. It makes a little bump, but it doesn't show too much. 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. I tie it at the back of my head or under my chin, depending if the veil will cover the ties in front or not. When tied at the nape of my neck, I bring the front down lower than my hairline, to make sure it stays. Then I pin the veil to it, making sure I hide everything underneath. The second technique is much more comfortable than anything else I've tried. My hair is short and slippery, so nothing holds to it :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68L1tNm007480 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:01:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68L1J5q050766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L1E2p024144; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.216]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L163k023987 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.93]) by omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:01:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:01:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 21:01:06.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[288E7BA0:01C58400] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape > measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver and > gold finishes. You might also be interested in what Historic Enterprises (www.historicenterprises.com) have a Sewing kit http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=67&c=38 and a Repair Kit http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=221&c=38 They're very, very nice. Not rated as super historical on their site, but good enough for what I do... One day I'll buy one. Or buy the pieces separately, and eventually build myself one :-) Let's just say I have other priorities for now... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:22:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68LMaSU007724 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68LM7cv052999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LM5qQ039619; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LLw11039378 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683D53C940 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:21:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:22:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied under my chin! I know they're modern, but the only thing I can get to stay on my head for any length of time are those Chinese hair nets with the elastic in them, and even those I have to pin down! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:28:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68LSeX5007799 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68LSFWh053742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LSCtw043923; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LS3IU043831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j68LOA0R014588 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:24:10 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:28:02 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: >> 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. > > I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap > doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the > little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied > under my chin! Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter might stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger weave linen, for example. cv -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 18:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68MPcZD008495 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68MP6iu059078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68MOu7O081074; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68MOlTs080922 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:24:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:25:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 22:24:41.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5F18890:01C5840B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Dawn wrote: > >>> 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. >> >> I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap doesn't >> stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the little >> bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied under my >> chin! > > Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with > three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter might > stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger weave > linen, for example. > > cv If it's any help, I used Margo's patterns to make mine, and it's the three-piece kind. I think the front edge is all on the grain so it doesn't stretch at all. As I said, I usually wear it low in front (a good 1/2 inch below my hairline) and tie it at the nape of my neck. So it actually holds to skin, not hair, in front. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 22:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j692QfZZ010961 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j692PqBD079316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j692PkTD003305; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j692PgFZ003255 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN8PNLAN68PLS for (sender ); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrMs65Kb49XqV3oEAq6aXXQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXFDLARM; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:24:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:23:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Message-ID: <20050708.192342.1400.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,9-10,16-47 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2963014916 X-MAIL-INFO: 2dea8b5f8b1ea38e1ea3270fa32777dfbe97db57da639773abb3dac3730a5b3a736a4f4aea2bea6bae2717a3ea0f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know when your persona is, but you might try looking into a medieval linen coif. They were a very popular item for both genders. I cheated a bit on mine. It's got a cotton shell, and a flannel lining. Warm when you want warm. In hot weather, you can get it soaking wet, wring it out, and you'll stay comfortable for hours--the shell dries quickly, but the cotton doesn't. The same friend who made this one to my specs is making another one for me of linen--both layers. Back to veils--I hate underpinnings for veils. I don't use any. My circlet is lined with leather strapping with bias tape over that, so it has lots of tooth and doesn't let the veil slide into the sunset. I recently made a cross stitched headband, using canvas as the ground fabric, and folded the edges to the back and stitched them down. Again, the back has plenty of tooth and won't let the veil drop. Arlys On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:22:06 -0500 Dawn writes: > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. > > I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap > doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the > > little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's > tied > under my chin! > > I know they're modern, but the only thing I can get to stay on my > head > for any length of time are those Chinese hair nets with the elastic > in > them, and even those I have to pin down! > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 23:36:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j693aQgE011697 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j693ZfHN085508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j693ZZKN036672; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j693ZTVF036632 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j693ZQXZ026677 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:35:26 -0400 Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j693ZQHx026574 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708203122.02639a18@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:32:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >You might also be interested in what Historic Enterprises >(www.historicenterprises.com) have >a Sewing kit >http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=67&c=38 >and a Repair Kit >http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=221&c=38 >They're very, very nice. Not rated as super historical on their site, but >good enough for what I do... One day I'll buy one. Or buy the pieces >separately, and eventually build myself one :-) You'll save a ton of money buying the parts separately, elsewhere, and building one yourself. You can do better than their box too. 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It is already on its way >to us in a surface shipment." > >Beth For those of us scratching our heads... what is NESAT 7?? 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Joannah. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BojmV018993 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BoNHp019367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BoNJj025823; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6883WuZ051654 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6883Mx22872.; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:03:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:03:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:03:12 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] hanging a hanging Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j69BojmV018993 Status: RO A row of loops or rings round a horizontal pole? I've seen modern tapestries hung that way. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> jtknits@jtknits.cts.com 07/07/2005 17:22 >>> This may be a bit off topic since it's not clothing...but it is historic. A friend is trying to research how wall hangings were actually hung. I suggested she get in touch with some English museums but then remembered there are many UK folks here. How did they keep those gorgeous tapestries on the castle walls? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Boo8B018996 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BoRsr019410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BoRqQ025876; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6898450077651 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:06:06 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-index: AcWDiHt1x545wQSrRVefps3h+f1kzgAE5O6A Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 09:06:06.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[46530570:01C5839C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I had the old way work for me on a yellowed spot on a dishtowel- I got it soaking wet- just tap water, wrung it out then hung in the sun to dry.. my towel was hung on a concrete pillar of a building, but I'm sure a windowsill or shrub would be much more period. Hope this helps, worth a try anyway (course you may have to re-iron..darn.) Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:56:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BuZGM019077 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:56:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69Bu9kE021997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69Bu8BD028968; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com (omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KJcp8094653 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.91]) by omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:19:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:19:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 20:19:32.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A2CB830:01C583FA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something made especially for slashing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:57:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Bv9QQ019088 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BulKI022134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BulQr029247; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6905uZu036363 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF523C85C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:05:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42CF14EF.1060200@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:06:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with > three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter > might stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger > weave linen, for example. It's made from a rectangle, the seam is across the top and the back has been gathered to fit the curve of my head. It was actually a mock-up, but it came out well enough I never made one in linen. I guess it's time to do that. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:57:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BvDcA019091 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:57:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BucO0022048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BucXC029135; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L5eJO027398 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:05:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050707193452.77516.qmail@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:06:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 21:05:33.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7CAA4A0:01C58400] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to know everybody is okay. I was in France, trying to get back to Canada. The planes were all late because they were triple-checking passports and doubling security checks. I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused tragedies were behind us. It's very disquieting for me to see things like this starting to happen again... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 08:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69CDHnR019409 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69CCiSo026702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69CChml035686; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69CCdlm035665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j69C8i0R022023 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:08:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42CFBF34.6000207@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:12:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hanging a hanging References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > A row of loops or rings round a horizontal pole? I've seen modern tapestries hung that way. The images I've seen would be consistent with nails or hooks in the walls, and metal rings sewn on the backs of the tapestries. Or possibly nails straght through the fabric. Here's some examples: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/january.jpg http://www.godecookery.com/afeast/feasts/fea005.html http://www.godecookery.com/afeast/feasts/fea026.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr? Argent In the 1960s I was taught that Werner von Braun and the other Germans admitted to the United States had been Nazis in name only and had not perpetrated war crimes. This is a lie generated by our government. -- M.G. Lord in _Astro_Turf_ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 09:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69DBsQI020607 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:11:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69DB38a030637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69DB1GE057904; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j69DAwnp057844 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005070909105221608 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:10:52 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j69DAn3E027861 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e701c58487$ae7790d0$51a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204654.034e8e18@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On my monitor, the codpiece looks like it has a stripe of black velvet about an inch or two wide running down the front of it with a shiny black button (?) right in the middle---constructed like the sides are red and the center front is black. What would the black "button" be? Or am I seeing things? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier > At 11:49 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >>Belt clasp for the sword belt. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>(snip) >> I also wonder what the shiny thing >>above the codpiece is as well. > > > That's an interesting style for a belt clasp. Thanks. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 10:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69E4kbm022041 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:04:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69E4ICi034026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69E4I3b081907; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69E4EPV081834 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.178]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050709140358.RHDZ13979.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:03:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 In-Reply-To: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> References: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. For a list of the first 7: http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a copy of the flyer. Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE and ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. Beth At 06:50 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:04:54 -0700 >From: Kimiko Small >Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050707230434.03537418@64.87.54.245> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >At 07:58 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote: > >For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David > >Brown Books has notified me that > > > >"NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way > >to us in a surface shipment." > > > >Beth > > >For those of us scratching our heads... what is NESAT 7?? > >Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 13:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69H7hVr023980 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69H6jFX045562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69H6g4w060681; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j69H6dih060627 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 44318 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 17:06:33 -0000 Message-ID: <42D0041B.3000804@fenris.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:06:35 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! everyone for defination and the sites and the tips. I will put it all to good use. liz young Betsy Marshal wrote: > Actually, I had the old way work for me on a yellowed spot on a dishtowel- I > got it soaking wet- just tap water, wrung it out then hung in the sun to > dry.. my towel was hung on a concrete pillar of a building, but I'm sure a > windowsill or shrub would be much more period. > Hope this helps, worth a try anyway (course you may have to re-iron..darn.) > Betsy > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Elizabeth Young > Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question > > What is the difference between damask and jacquard? > Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on > some of the pieces? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 15:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Jq92w026062 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69JpT4d055178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69JpQkG030988; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69JpLYi030874 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.1a2.373c0c0a (18555) for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:51:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5118 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband bought me the Historic Enterprises sewing kit for Christmas a few years ago. The box is attractive, but you need a cotter (sp?) pin to keep it closed. I couldn't get the scissors to even cut thread. They told me at Pennsic when I went to exchange them that you "had to hold them a certain way" that I never got the hang of. Fortunately they finally accepted them in exchange. The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several of those and keep them in the various places I sew. Theirs is the most comfortable one that I've found. My brain reads wearing a modern thimble as though there's an injury to that finger, so it shouldn't be used. The ring thimble is the first one I've ever managed to use on a regular basis. Nancy Stengel Ulmer (Maddalena Salutati) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 16:04:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69K4CPu026224 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69K3jZR055829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69K3i5M035597; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69K3fGh035567 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04031 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:23:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:23:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several > of those and keep them in the various places I sew. Theirs is the > most comfortable one that I've found. My brain reads wearing a modern > thimble as though there's an injury to that finger, so it shouldn't be > used. The ring thimble is the first one I've ever managed to use on a > regular basis. I love my ring thimble. Mine was from a company called Westair; there's a UK phone number on the box if anyone wants. I forget which website I found it on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 17:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69LT9Xr027242 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69LSEGV060767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69LS8Ts070208; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69LS5cR070179 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.157] (pm5-157.eos.net [205.133.149.157]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j69LS0Ot009260 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:28:01 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:19:47 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507091800.j69I0CrY084010@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: veils X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's what I do to get veils to stay in place. I have a little square white cloth which I fold in half to make a sort of kerchief. On the corners, I sewed white ties. This looks like the kind of little fashionable scarves or kerchiefs teen girls wear. I suppose you could use one of those, but they're generally bright and patterned. I put the folded edge of this kerchief over my forehead. Then I pull the ties back behind my neck, cross them, and tie them either at the back of my neck (if the veil is sheer) or on the top of my head (if I'm wearing a hat that needs anchoring). The kerchief is just big enough that the back point comes to the nape of my neck, and that gets tucked into the cords/ties. I hope that makes sense. I got this idea from the Elizabethan forehead cloth. It works for me because I have very short hair and it keeps the bangs hidden, it is a nice anchor for a coronet or circlet, and it is something for the veil pins to stick to. And also, it's a lot easier to make than a cap. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 19:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69NHE94028445 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69NFiPq067213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69NFgW2012223; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69NFIuP012069 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j69NFafM019551 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:15:36 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j69NFBRQ489594 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:15:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050709161206.033fd208@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 16:14:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: References: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several > > of those and keep them in the various places I sew. > >I love my ring thimble. Mine was from a company called Westair; there's a >UK phone number on the box if anyone wants. I forget which website I found >it on. I buy mine at a Japanese store that carries needlework supplies for things like Bunka. Ring thimbles are for people with fingernails, or who otherwise can't feel the fabric thru a regular thimble. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 21:56:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A1uBku030586 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A1taHo077034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A1tWG6071559; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53203.mail.yahoo.com (web53203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6A1tTEg071520 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72823 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2005 01:55:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LbBEOi68xgJpxsO+SXemNmHInrDVzg879Oxd8cfQCSjiNcV5i0jZbIyFm6a18aamIak4MrsQoi2w10uaeRyJLYxKnRgaSaiOhJI/egwT0xpSXQ04EWj03pblAYSvIlPxa6bu0tTHadsVyUQp2aD+6dx4xSwWLiyrDmgL+cwsZzE= ; Message-ID: <20050710015523.72821.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.249] by web53203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:55:23 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: veils To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I take about a yard of a fine white cotton cloth, about a foot wide. I fold it on the diagonal, place the middle about half way down my forehead, twist the two ends and then wrap them around the back of my head (at the nape of the neck) and around to the front and tuck them in. The fabric on top of the head tucks into the twisted wrap in the back so that the whole head is covered. This creates a bulkier headwrap than others have described, but not out of period as I've seen similar things in paintings. Another way is to take the two twisted ends, cross them in the back, twist them more and make a figure eight at the nape of my neck and tuck in the eges. This creates a smooth front and top, while the knot in the back is hidden by the veil. Veils and wimples pin to it very easily. I have short, very fine and slippery hair and this works very well. I actually wear this heapwrap by itself quite a bit, unless I'm being formal.... Gytha Gail & Scott Finke wrote: Here's what I do to get veils to stay in place. I have a little square white cloth which I fold in half to make a sort of kerchief. On the corners, I sewed white ties. This looks like the kind of little fashionable scarves or kerchiefs teen girls wear. I suppose you could use one of those, but they're generally bright and patterned. I put the folded edge of this kerchief over my forehead. Then I pull the ties back behind my neck, cross them, and tie them either at the back of my neck (if the veil is sheer) or on the top of my head (if I'm wearing a hat that needs anchoring). The kerchief is just big enough that the back point comes to the nape of my neck, and that gets tucked into the cords/ties. I hope that makes sense. I got this idea from the Elizabethan forehead cloth. It works for me because I have very short hair and it keeps the bangs hidden, it is a nice anchor for a coronet or circlet, and it is something for the veil pins to stick to. And also, it's a lot easier to make than a cap. 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Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 23:19:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A3J1gu031517 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:19:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A3IP8K082674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A3IFsD005562; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A3ICoO005519 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.52] (helo=boris) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DrSKZ-0004UW-OV for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:18:12 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hQneIa+TWaWCz5sJnUf65AATW7AdsAi08PIYs9o8ybaj+5c0QTRhVcatCDNQ9q9m; Message-ID: <010301c584fe$200ab760$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:19:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd482b6d81dfc10bb8d9ff359b249349aff6a26b888b88ba812a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.52 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not sure what she used, but I used a 1/2" woodworking chisel, well sharpened.. Melusine >> Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > > What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something > made especially for slashing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 00:03:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A43bgO031781 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A43EqG085522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A43DG0022265; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A439PV022235 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tyghra_@fastmail.fm) Received: from web4.messagingengine.com (web4.internal [10.202.2.213]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49A7CBC583 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by web4.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id E143E6AD0; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1120968188.7040.238120303@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: v2/FaV6yewMpbM5HpP0IRyYIp7uI+oxntpO+SPimpO7D 1120968188 From: "Tyghra na Tintagel" To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.001; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) In-Reply-To: <200507091804.j69I0Cra084010@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:08 +1000 References: <200507091804.j69I0Cra084010@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 444 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for clearing that up Beth! I was also wondering what Nesat stood for. Can someone please tell me whether they are published in English, German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but have friend who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). Thanks in advance, Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) Sydney, Australia > The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the > Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. > > For a list of the first 7: > http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ > > NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and > I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a > copy of the flyer. > > Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. > All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE > and ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. > I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. > > Beth -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 06:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AAKowo015730 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AAJNof020576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAJHxk050703; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAJBRj050675 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb26.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787C3FC15 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C0PYfAARpMAEAAAAB,db77e06cd1badeef2a6a7ba16a06b37a Message-Id: <20050710101911.5787C3FC15@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was talking with one of my housemates, who told me that a friend of his had a time line up on his bedroom wall, with ALL of the battles since the beginning of recorded history on it. In 5000 odd years of recorded history, there was about a *total* of about 3 years in which there was not warfare of some sort occurring somewhere. Unfortunately, it seems that war is inherent in human nature. I don't remember a time when there hasn't been some sort of strife going on somewhere ( my earliest memories of being aware of war date from about 1973, when I became aware of news reports on TV ). Joannah. --- "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" wrote: I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused tragedies were behind us. It's very disquieting for me to see things like this starting to happen again... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 06:54:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AAscWl015926 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AAs7UF021945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAs6rn061980; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6AAs25C061913 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86109 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2005 10:53:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N84HHNg7DorZrbpRr2VrdR9d15t+G9SI4TjhigOa4ug3w9aFabgPwm04XZM0NWX2xZ6cN5syxpuM0eeIdTFRfQBKzkA1DqmlVgGnJpkArL9MaO3NJk5ikJSjTLNGZQuvH77h5a1O0hayzLKiFPw11YpNMKFHTJOonKBT9p8+CE0= ; Message-ID: <20050710105357.86107.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.137.10] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:53:57 BST Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:53:57 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050710101911.5787C3FC15@omta06.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new thread - continuing strife in the World - was "folks in London ok??" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO COMMENT a whole world "always completely at peace" is a centuries-old dream, to which most of the Human Race has probably subscribed at one time or another. Hence it is very germane to our "living-history" interests as it enables us to more-easily understand the reasons for historical conflicts, and the way in which this shaped the historic civilisations we study. However, as long as Humanity occasionally produces abberrant "human wolves" who "prey" on the rest of us - ["the Sheep"]; - for racial survival, the Human Race has always needed - and will continue to need - to study and practise the Arts of War, in order to protect "the Sheep". As long as there is no effective, swift, and supra-National means of dealing with these "human wolves"** before their aberrant actions create major problems for the remainder of Humanity - ** i.e. - [1] Tyrants, Dictators, or outright Criminals who 'hi-jack' their own Nations' political Processes to obtain ultimate political power - which they then pervert for their own twisted- &/ -criminal purposes. Or [2] political/religious extremist fanatics who are prepared to use terrorism to get their hands on the levers of political, social, or religious control over the rest of their populations; - so long shall the Human Race have a need to train in- and to practise the Arts of War to protect the rest of us - who, for whatever reasons - personal inclination, religious, or political reasons - cannot, do not, or are unable to - take up arms in our own defence. I suspect this situation will continue until political processes world-wdie develop to the point where policiains can be held individually-&-personally, Civilly/Politically/ criminally- responsible, life-long, for their actions while in Office. It is a sad comment on the United Nations at the moment that of the near-200 Nation-States represented there, - less than 40 have governments that could be described as truly democratic. This is - and I suspect - will remain - a recipe for potential conflict and probable innocent deaths numbered in the 1000's, if not in the millions. Julian Wilson, Military & Political Historian, in "olde" Jersey. Joannah Hansen wrote: I was talking with one of my housemates, who told me that a friend of his had a time line up on his bedroom wall, with ALL of the battles since the beginning of recorded history on it. In 5000 odd years of recorded history, there was about a *total* of about 3 years in which there was not warfare of some sort occurring somewhere. Unfortunately, it seems that war is inherent in human nature. I don't remember a time when there hasn't been some sort of strife going on somewhere ( my earliest memories of being aware of war date from about 1973, when I became aware of news reports on TV ). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:06:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AB6WlH015994 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:06:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AB623J022636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AB61xa065877; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AB5tqc065848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-215-75-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.75]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6AB5rti014596 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:05:53 +1000 Message-ID: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:04:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep pile velvet or cotton velveteen) So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:34:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABYR2u016099 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABXpxo025040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABXnDI079096; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6ABXjBv079076 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22488); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:33:45 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:33:42 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050710042523.0308f6a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:31:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't >actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to >charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny >it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon >Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep >pile velvet or cotton velveteen) >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? >Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? >I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to >Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from >doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century >fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") >thanks >Elizabeth >-------------------------------------------- >Elizabeth Walpole >Canberra Australia >ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ Given that rayon velvet is generally very difficult to sew (watch it slither away from you) and that it does not have the right hand or drape for pre-20th century clothing, I'd say "Thank you very much for thinking of me, but ..." and send it off to charity. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:36:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABasRi016108 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABaSSm025199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABaSJ6080040; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay05.mail2web.com (xrelay05.mail2web.com [168.144.1.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABaOU5079996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.202] (helo=M2W090.mail2web.com) by xrelay05.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dra6Y-00062N-RW for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6ABaOU5079996 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep pile velvet or cotton velveteen) So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") I have used rayon velvet for Tudor with no problems - you just need to pin it and pin it and pin it. Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change that. Suzi in London -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:43:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABh9cp016131 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABgpmR025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABgo0r082110; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay01.mail2web.com (xrelay01.mail2web.com [168.144.1.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABglal082060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.203] (helo=M2W091.mail2web.com) by xrelay01.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DraCj-0006QD-Up for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057010114237982@M2W091.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6ABglal082060 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't >actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to >charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny >it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon >Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep >pile velvet or cotton velveteen) >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? >Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? >I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to >Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from >doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century >fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") >thanks >Elizabeth Given that rayon velvet is generally very difficult to sew (watch it slither away from you) and that it does not have the right hand or drape for pre-20th century clothing, I'd say "Thank you very much for thinking of me, but ..." and send it off to charity. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net Why do you say that? I find it works perfectly well for any period, providing you use the right patterns. I prefer cotton velvet - there is no cotton velveteen anywhere in England that I can find - but if my customers are not well off, rayon velvet sometimes has to do. You can see several examples of it in wear on my web site - The Henry Vlll and Anne Boleyn figures are both wearing rayon velvet, as are the "Ramirez" characters - both I seem to remember. Suzi (www.suziclarke.co.uk) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AC0lmM016246 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AC0R0S026384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC0QvJ088476; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC0Lrg088396 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJE005RMUOGZFG1@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.63]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: NESAT Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 444 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <2c563e2c9247.2c92472c563e@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't looked any any but - as far as I remember the different articles are written in the language of the writer's home country. So a particular NESAT might have articles written in: English, German, Swedish, Danish, French, German, Polish, etc With no translation of any particular article for the non-native speaker. Katheryne who is still trying to get up the money for NESAT 5 - and then find the time to translate it..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyghra na Tintagel > Can someone please tell me whether they are published > in English, German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but > have friend who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). > Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) > Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AC8ZMR016304 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:08:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AC85P3026790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC84uG091212; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC80ML091143 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.26]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050710120754.FFAG1636.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:07:54 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050710070358.02b76540@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:07:44 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200507101142.j6ABgqxV082127@net.indra.com> References: <200507101142.j6ABgqxV082127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NESAT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The language of the papers vary in each NESAT volume. Most papers are in English or German, though I can think of one in Spanish. Beth At 06:42 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:08 +1000 >From: "Tyghra na Tintagel" > >Thanks for clearing that up Beth! I was also wondering what Nesat stood >for. Can someone please tell me whether they are published in English, >German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but have friend >who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). > >Thanks in advance, >Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) >Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:29:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ACTpn3016389 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ACTRLF027888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ACTQGt098912; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ACTMYo098837 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050710122916.MLDL15145.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:16 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.201.36]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050710122915.GBYO4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:15 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.11]); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:20 +1200 Message-ID: <004701c5854a$ff2f9630$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:19 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't > actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to > charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny > it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon > Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep > pile velvet or cotton velveteen) It shouldn't change too much. Is this the chiffon velvet often labeled as silk velvet, but actually has a rayon pile? Or does it have a heavier base? > So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better > off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Take it! Velvet through the ages as far as I can tell varies as much as it varies now. From close photos of several items I know I've spotted different pile depths, thicknesses of the pile and sheen. And there are some very glossy velvets out there. Especially of the 19thC. Some really OTT velvet travelling suits made of the shiniest velvet seen;) Also very shiny plush. There was a travelling outfit on ebay not long ago... but I'm not sure if it is still up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48864&item=8303219926&rd=1 That's one still up anyway. http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/terry2/iteml/5821#pic1 This is one in particular I was thinking about. True the flash probably affected the aparent sheen, but compared to man made fibre shine in flash it's not too far off. Except in many poly velvets you wind up seeing the ground through the pile. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48864&item=8315843543&rd=1 Maybe someone has a different date on it, but that is some very glossy plush. (first photo sans flash) If it is chiffon velvet, just flat line it with some cotton to stabilise it for a heavier feel. I did that with my velveteen for my Elizabeth de Valois gown, and it makes a huge difference. In this way I'd think the Victoriam is going to be the better way though as there was at least one very large piece of velveteen in my Valois skirt which I think wouldn't work with the chiffon velvet. With the Victorian you have the option of puffing and otherwise catching the two layers of fabric together. But I also think one could do a row of hand tacking stitched to keep the two frabrics together. I did that with the wool interlining of my dress based on Mary of Hungary's gown. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 9/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 10:16:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AEGtmt016992 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AEGBI4033930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEG6jT039225; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEG2DG039186 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11675 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:35:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:35:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NESAT In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050710070358.02b76540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > The language of the papers vary in each NESAT volume. Most papers are in > English or German, though I can think of one in Spanish. I don't have the book myself, but I have a bibliographical listing on hand that says there are 24 papers in NESAT 7, five of them in German and the rest in English. You can usually get a good sense of the languages by looking at the table of contents in a volume. Someone posted a listing earlier, but this one might be easier: http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/nesatlist.html It covers NESATs 1-6. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 10:31:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AEVn8c017114 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AEUjl6034751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEUV3w044595; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEUR2j044546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Drcow-0003lq-5b for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:15 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:13 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:20:17 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <010301c584fe$200ab760$0400a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gWuX76FLCQePddhyXXf+ZSe2i+0= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Carmen Beaudry" writes: > > I'm not sure what she used, but I used a 1/2" woodworking chisel, well > sharpened.. What _he_ used, actually:-) -- Robert Uhl Phnglui mgwlnafth Cthulhu rlyey wghnagl fthagn. In his flat in Bromley, drunk Cthulhu waits knitting? I think a few subtle typos may have crept into that one. That explains why this shoggoth I summoned is only 3mm tall. --Peter da Silva and Peter Gutmann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 13:57:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AHva8L019644 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AHuxT9049391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AHutO9052712; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6AHuqb4052685 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30333 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 17:56:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:23 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1586.67.188.164.116.1121018212.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we > haven't > actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going > to > charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how > shiny > it is would that change when I washed it? I had some rayon velvet one time that I used to wrap gifts to give to people at costume events. Instead of wrapping paper, I used velvet. Add some ribbon and you have a beautiful gift on the inside AND outside ;~> Or you could make wall hangings or curtains out of it.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 19:37:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ANbNcB025078 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ANajij003298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ANaedq099009; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ANacXw098928 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C653C701 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42D1B12C.6060604@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:37:16 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] does anyone have these books? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PANTS: A History Afoot By Laurence Benaim HOW THE WEST WAS WORN By H. George-Warren & M. Freedman Has anyone here seen, read, or bought either of these books? I'm looking for comments or reviews before I mail-order. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 23:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B3xiF6028734 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B3xEJD027848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B3xAwR003373; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B3x4u3003326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B5M2j2029895 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:22:07 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:58:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507102358.48351.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 09 July 2005 10:03 am, you wrote: > The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the > Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. > > For a list of the first 7: > http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ > > NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and > I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a > copy of the flyer. Two months! Well, I won't get mine for a few weeks, then--mine was shipped only about 6 weeks ago. Thanks for the information. > > Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. bn.com also claims to have a used copy of NESAT 4 for $89.91, more than Oxbow/DBBC's price. > All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE and > ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. Those listings are still up. > I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. NESAT 3 shows up in used book listings every once in a great while. I last saw a copy a year or so ago. Still wish I could have afforded it then. I bought NESAT 6 when it first came out, but you're right that it doesn't seem to be available any longer even through used book channels. I have never seen NESAT 1 advertised for sale anywhere and I've been looking for the NESATs for over 5 years now. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 00:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B4HDYO028945 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B4FeHk029163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Fco9010355; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4FZq9010334 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DE351EB1 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050710210234.035e61e8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:07:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> References: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:36 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and >the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the >point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change >that. > >Suzi in London I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? To allow me to clean it at home, with gentle detergent and rinse, and then hang to dry. Otherwise, my costumes would cost a fortune to keep dry cleaned, not to mention all the trims I would have to remove first as dry cleaners here mangle or melt them. Not to mention that some of the velvets I have purchased have the nastiest hand before wash (all the treatments), and soften up nicely after wash. Then again, I don't buy rayon velvets as our groups locally consider them too shiny for "ren faire use" (we do Henry VIII to Elizabethan). But for other costuming things, I wouldn't mind... but I'd rather get the silk/rayon just cause it drapes better. And yes, I would gently pre-wash those as well. Kimiko in Fresno, CA, USA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 00:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B4HdHl028954 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:17:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B4FeoE029161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Fc5J010356; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Faoj010340 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126DC51F2B for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050710210936.035e60a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? A few questions to help you decide: Are you involved in a group activity where the group is fine with rayon velvet use in the costumes? If not involved, are you ok with using rayon velvet for one project or several? Are you willing to do a lot of hand basting (better than lots of pins) in order to control the "velvet creep" while machine sewing? Do you have a garment in mind when you look at the fabric, that does scream "make me!!!"? Do you have space for the 8m of fabric? If your answers are yes to any or most of the above, then by all means, accept the gift. If no is the common answer, then decline, and let the person give to charity. Personally, I would accept it, and if after a year I hadn't found a suitable use, then I would give to a charity, perhaps in the name of the original donor. But the decision is yours. Have fun if you do! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 01:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B53T2L029315 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B52ulD032472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B52sWB027658; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B52pCb027622 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DrqRO-0000Un-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <42D1FD66.3090907@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:02:30 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bologna, Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll be in Bologna, Italy, the afternoon of July 29th. Any "must sees", especially textile-related? TIA, --Charlene -- America is addicted to wars of distraction. -- Barbara Ehrenreich _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 04:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B89uQk001162 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:09:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B87HOT050920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B861s2097484; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B85ucI097419 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6B85mU04248.; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:48 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:33 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6B89uQk001162 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> audreybmorin2@hotmail.com 08/07/2005 22:06 >>>wrote > I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening >worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused >tragedies were behind us. Oh yes it was; here in Britain we were having to be wary of suspect packages because of the risk of IRA bombs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 05:09:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B991BO014870 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B98Vfn062191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B98S18019220; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B98OqB019195 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6B8plwK022123 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050711040549.00b737b8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:07:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: pinking & chisels was Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane In-Reply-To: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:20 PM 7/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > >What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something >made especially for slashing? I use both a pinking chisel like these: http://www.greenmanforge.com/ Or a buttonhole chisel like this one: http://www.bernina.co.uk/shop/General.htm or http://sewing-machine-parts-store.com/ButtonCut.asp Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCgCFp001898 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCfVOs075523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCfR9p002721; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEKFGD040903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Drcf2-0002qm-Nz for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:19:33 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:azb80ZlhZE9ASymUhP6/kKLlkmc= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" writes: > > > Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > > What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or > something made especially for slashing? I ended up buying a woodworking chisel & rubber mallet from Lowe's. The only pinking tools I could find were from Green Man Forge, and the guy who makes them didn't reply to my email until after I'd already gotten my tools. As it turns out, the chisel & mallet work very well: the chisel is shaped to be comfortable in the hand, and the length means that I can set a piece of scrap wood in my lap and cut the design into the fabric bit-by-bit. Only thing to be careful of is hitting too hard and splitting the wood, sending a sharp chisel shooting into one's thigh. This is pretty easy to prevent. I forget if I mentioned this or not, but getting a long slash by putting one right after the other works, although it does tend to have a little jag where they meet--once the slash is properly fulled (by washing & tumble drying), this shouldn't be a problem. But if using a fabric which cannot be washed, this might be an issue. -- Robert Uhl Homines est! Dici omnes! Soylens viridis HOMINES EST! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:43:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BChWuu001917 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCh7h2075702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCh6fa003510; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AHJGuE035845 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.210.46ac010 (16781) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <210.46ac010.3002b28b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:19:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/10/2005 7:43:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I prefer cotton velvet - there is no cotton velveteen anywhere in England that I can find - but if my customers are not well off, rayon velvet sometimes has to do. Granted I don't do Tudor period, but here is my opinion on velvet. I think rayon velvet actually simulates silk velvet better than cotton does because rayon is a filament fiber and cotton is staple--silk is also a filament fiber. It is true, though, that many cotton velvets have a good heavy weight and rayon velvet can be pretty thin and slippery. And it can be difficult to sew, but this can be overcome with patience. If it were offered to me, I would probably take it. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:44:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCi4O5001928 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BChcRL075789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BChc8V003844; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AJhMD3098181 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bee4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.228]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 038EA5EE042 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:43:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I got two books from Sweden some time ago. One is a book about Sophia Magdalenas weddingdress, wich is a french court dress with a huge pannier. It is in Swedish, dont know if they have translated it. Livrustkammaren is the museum in the world that has 4 complete french court dresses, and i knew the 3 of them, but this book shows also the 4th. wich is a weddingdress used for Gustav III's younger brother's bride. Then i wondered if any of you 17th century folks know how rich and wonderfull the book Fashion Lions is? It is packed with costumes from the northern part of Europe, included some of the danish costumes. Never have i seen a finer scandinavian book, it is to be compared to the large book i also have from Colonial Williamsburg, dont remember the name pressent, sorry. We have a heat wawe in Denmark right now, wich makes me gloomy because my fingers gets oily all the time, and i cant touch the embroidery on the chenille dress, but i have started a small factory of ladies purses, intends to sell them on ebay. They are quick to make, i can make one each day- well the embroidery that is.................. Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that the terror is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken patrols on the stations all the time....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:44:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCiJeO001936 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCi0sE075997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCi0TP004240; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B7FHQj079766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.138] (helo=M2W033.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DrsVS-00023l-Mo for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005711171510820@M2W033.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6B7FHQj079766 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:36 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and >the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the >point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change >that. > >Suzi in London I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? To allow me to clean it at home, with gentle detergent and rinse, and then hang to dry. Otherwise, my costumes would cost a fortune to keep dry cleaned, not to mention all the trims I would have to remove first as dry cleaners here mangle or melt them. If I am using velvet it is for an elaborate gown, covered with trims, and totally unsuitable for washing. I have customers from 20 years ago who have only had their costumes dry cleaned, and they are in excellent condition, no melting or mangling. Obviously it takes all sorts. Not to mention that some of the velvets I have purchased have the nastiest hand before wash (all the treatments), and soften up nicely after wash. I have never had to buy velvets that I didn't like the hand of - I don't give customers those to sample!! And the rayons here are not really shiny at all. However, the so-called silk velvets are really nasty looking, and expensive, but usually look cheap!! I won't touch them at all. Isn't it fascinating how different our experiences qwith fabrics are? Suzi in London -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCq3iw002044 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCoYcT076533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCoYsC007415; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCoSMg007331 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1946215C7C for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new book Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcWGFjGh0I+gNvs7R0qjfJ2NH1kW9gAALEZw Message-Id: <20050711125028.1946215C7C@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What name do you use to sell on ebay? I'd love to watch for your purses - perhaps something I can actually afford done by Bjarne!!!!! Eagerly waiting to shop, -Megan Bjarne Drews wrote: i have started a small factory of ladies purses, intends to sell them on ebay. They are quick to make, i can make one each day- well the embroidery that is.................. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 11:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BFLCs8003920 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BFJBGe091321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BFJ6qu001358; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f12.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BFJ04G001257 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:18:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507091803.j69I0CrZ084010@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:18:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 15:18:55.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA2C28D0:01C5862B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Items of possible interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's a nice looking awl handle. Do you know if they sell any of those things individually? Marc (always looking to improve my collection of medieval shoemaking tools) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 14:57:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BIvrWm007117 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BIvBwJ017811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BIun09084133; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BIugfx084010 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goddessandqueen@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so845624rng for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oFVIWE9LQK8FYTuJDwlu6itXvMqq8UDloHKlNEfDSk4pdqQVJUZOtfSBnDsZsIXJzVj8tYoJ2oxe4ii/tfVpe/8wc6Mow7Go+YZVifDmbxc9nmezJpB7BeN1BC7s7isMS9jCl2wcz55cxjC8Nvbn/eVJt/cL31u2SGQtwYVzNIY= Received: by 10.38.59.44 with SMTP id h44mr4591590rna; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.73.64 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6107d9c105071111561e05537f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:56:38 -0500 From: pixel To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: veils In-Reply-To: <20050710015523.72821.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050710015523.72821.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6BIugfx084010 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Usually I just wear a barbette (the chin band) and a veil. The barbette is folded on the grain to be about an inch wide. It then gets pinned to itself on the top of my head or somewhere close to the top of my head, and the veil gets pinned to that. Margaret/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 15:15:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BJFsAv007525 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BJFKAj020636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BJFFDg099240; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BJF7dg099111 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.11.0-04) with SMTP id 045c2d24.2358774704.303133.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:14:47 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:14:46 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F685@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Subway Chic (was: new book) Thread-Index: AcWGQtqNoZNp9LmqRY2VSgfM3XWfvQACGLyw From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 19:14:47.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD743A30:01C5864C] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005070601)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6BJF7dg099111 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Subway Chic (was: new book) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *snip* Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that the terror is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken patrols on the stations all the time....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ******** This is one of the few times I've been happy that the Seattle area has such lousy mass transit. Do we need to do combat costuming for our daily commute now? Kevlar pannier might not be such a bad idea, and the stomacher, being already boned, could translate well into a modern decorative shield . . . *ahem* . . . Sorry, being worried about various friends makes me snippy. My thoughts are with you, Bjarne, and be sure to check in with us when you get home. We worry! Kate McClure aka StitchWitch _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 16:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BKxeIo013288 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BKx4m3042331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BKwR84081072; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BKw61B080762 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.148] (pm5-148.eos.net [205.133.149.148]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6BKw2Ot019847 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:58:03 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:49:45 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507111802.j6BI1noD040010@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that the terror > is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here > soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken > patrols on the stations all the time....................... Bjarne: Are you all really expecting a terrorist attack in Denmark? Or are you worried about that web post from the group who said they did the English bombing, and threatened Denmark and Italy? It is easy to say anything on a web site. It is much harder to do something. Do you have a large Muslim population in Denmark? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:00:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BL01ua013301 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:00:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BKxRiu042363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BKx6JC081567; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BKwWAZ081078 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.154.54ad8e53 (3956) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <154.54ad8e53.3004376e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:58:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "jacquard" pronunciation To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6BL01ua013301 Status: RO In a message dated 7/11/2005 4:51:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hanstar88@yahoo.com writes: jacquard Main Entry: jac·quard Pronunciation: 'ja-"kärd Of course it's a proper name, so the French pronunciation is fine too, as far as I'm concerned. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BLLWTW013674 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:21:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BLDrrl043880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BJRqa3009858; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BJRjsk009697 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1dd.40e6dcb8 (3956) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.40e6dcb8.30042224@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:27:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/11/2005 8:44:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? I used to get [when I lived in Greensboro, NC] heavy cotton velvet "scraps" free from a company called SECCOA [it's an anagram for....something] that makes theatre curtains and "blacks". Since the lengths used to make the curtains are the height of whatever proscenium they are to decorate, if there was a flaw in the fabrics say 6 yards into a 10 yard piece for a 30' proscenium, that piece would get cut off and become a 6 yard scrap!!!! I'd go get lengths of 4 to 6 yards usually. "Thank goodness we don't have to lug them to the dumpster" the girls would say as I came to haul these enormous scraps off. Anyway, I'd always wash the heavy velvet. It got out a salt treatment put in the fabric to make it fire proof and the nap would fluff up beautifully. It's the kind of velvet whose color changes an entire shade from nap up to nap down. [Many rayon velvets don't seem to do this.] Better cut everything out in one direction! I had a steamer to "iron" the velvet. I might wash a rayon velvet to fluff it up. But thank god for the steamer! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BLLXrS013677 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BLDrrn043880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BKlb2Q071969; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40425.mail.yahoo.com (web40425.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6BJnQfn026365 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93736 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2005 19:49:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bnLI9GMQPJTA7oY9pM7E65VhiOYaIgRXY6m58AGiEjfwzYwqpS7um3MY55H8mQ3pf9HT8C9o6/MKCNQRlSLMtXgKxNtnXors4HTcq5DJb6o8X7JQV0bIlnXIekAswGuRotpWLOLKY4MbY1d0jdjeOW9K5yP+s39X7nzANhvRrXA= ; Message-ID: <20050711194904.93734.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web40425.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:49:04 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507081801.j68I0mLQ091942@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "jacquard" pronunciation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While we're on the subject of jacquard, I have a dumb question.... My friend and I have this argument all the time. Is "jacquard" pronounced like "jack-erd" or "zhe-card"? She says the former and I say the latter. But then again, she comes from a sail-makers/boating background and says that's how everyone in that industry says it; while I come from a "4 years of high school french" & self-taught sewer/costumer background. Thanks! ~mary > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:10:54 EDT > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question > > In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:03:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kayta@frys.com writes: > > I think the relationship is that Damask is a fabric produced by > the > jacquard weaving method. > > > > That is close. Damask and brocade are both elaborately patterned > weaves. > Damask always has a satin background and is reversible. Brocade > can have a > satin or twill background and is not reversible. > > The jacquard attachment, invented in the early 19th century, could > be > attached to a loom automate such patterns, as it were. The most > elaborate patterns > can be woven on the simplest loom--it just takes forever! The > draw loom, > where each thread is controlled individually, enabled patterned > weaves, but was > still very slow--a "drawboy" would draw up each row of threads > according to > the pattern for the weaver. The "barrel" loom was another > development in > patterned weaving--think of a mechanism kind of like the cylinder > in a music box. > > So, jacquard is NOT a weave, nor is it even a loom--it is an > attachment that > can be installed on a loom. > > Ann Wass > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:43:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BLhK2q014073 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BLgsHn047280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLgFCL016507; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLftvX016244 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00250 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:41:54 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: bjarne(and Scottish fabrics) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: bjarne(and Scottish fabrics) Thread-Index: AcWGW2LCFyMnxPj7RFOau6vYr6qpswAAbOcg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6BLftvX016244 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really like the idea of using historic clothing as the basis of anti-terrorist attack clothing--panniers, stomachers--the History Channel on the west side of the pond recently ran a program on advances in protective gear for armed services. Sad that we have to even consider such for civilians, but we might as well keep a sense of humor, however dark, about it, and a sense of fashion. Panniers or hoop skirts, especially could conceal a myriad of aids to help one during a terrorist attack. You could custom outfit yourself to fit your own situation like a giant Swiss Army knife. I recall one New York woman a month or so after 9-11 remarking: "Ok, I've got my special parachute as I live and work in tall buildings, my gas mask, AK-47 and all of my shots, including anthrax. Am I missing anything?" Sure, I have to admit that I'm afraid of some sort of terrorist attack, by some idealist domestic or foreign. But my chances of getting robbed, hit by a car while crossing the street, or contracting a serious illness are much higher every day. And I'm sure some violent idealist somewhere would like to attack Omaha Nebraska where I live, since we are near the home of the Strategic Air Command. The terrorists we fear today are no different than those with idealists throughout history who have believed that killing the innocent is necessary in order to obtain their idea of Utopia, so that all must believe as they believe or else. The sad thing is today's violent idealist turned terrorist has much better weapons. Unbelievably sad that one of the subway bombings took place right in a Muslim neighborhood. At least one Muslim woman is missing. Didn't the British during the Blitz manufacture gas masks in fashionable shades, BTW? On a lighter note, a friend of mine is in the process of planning a possible trip to Scotland, perhaps as early as the fall, and would appreciate info on shops that carry unique fabrics as she is a quilter and doll costumer. I, and some of the gals in our doll-making class, are planning to give her some purchase commissions as well. We know about Scottish tartans, wools, and tweeds--but are their other fabrics unique or popular in Scotland, not known to the non-fabricholic? Thanks much. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:56:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BLuc85014260 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:56:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BLu1sZ048585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLtZjf026827; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLtLsl026517 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQJ827ABM895WITJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:55:07 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQJ826YNIG96W5YO@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:55:07 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:56:59 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-reply-to: <210.46ac010.3002b28b@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D2EB2B.9030302@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <210.46ac010.3002b28b@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 7/10/2005 7:43:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >I prefer cotton velvet - there is no >cotton velveteen anywhere in England that I can find - but if my customers >are not well off, rayon velvet sometimes has to do. > > >Granted I don't do Tudor period, but here is my opinion on velvet. I think >rayon velvet actually simulates silk velvet better than cotton does because >rayon is a filament fiber and cotton is staple--silk is also a filament fiber. > It is true, though, that many cotton velvets have a good heavy weight and >rayon velvet can be pretty thin and slippery. And it can be difficult to sew, >but this can be overcome with patience. If it were offered to me, I would >probably take it. > > I concur. Personally, I feel that good-quality cotton velvet is the best non-silk velvet for re-creation (taking into account weight, drape, ease of use although losing a little in sheen). But having said that, rayon velvet has some advantages and is not to be sniffed at. Besides that, you shouldn't pass up free fabric. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 17:58:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BLwFxp014283 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:58:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BLvn4t048810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLvXlo028333; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BLvJ3g028122 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQJ84W03EO8YDMVE@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:57:17 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQJ84VMA4896W7JN@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:57:17 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:59:08 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] "jacquard" pronunciation In-reply-to: <20050711194904.93734.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D2EBAC.50100@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050711194904.93734.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mary wrote: >While we're on the subject of jacquard, I have a dumb question.... > >My friend and I have this argument all the time. Is "jacquard" >pronounced like "jack-erd" or "zhe-card"? She says the former and I >say the latter. But then again, she comes from a sail-makers/boating >background and says that's how everyone in that industry says it; >while I come from a "4 years of high school french" & self-taught >sewer/costumer background. > > ja-CARD. The first 'a' is pronounced like the 'a' in 'funeral'. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 19:14:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BNEGuK015449 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:14:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BNDpXh056065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BNDnvJ082690; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BNDjhD082637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-210.sonic.net [209.148.113.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BNDid7014244 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: <42D25542.9020901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:17:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne(and Scottish fabrics) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Panniers or hoop skirts, >especially could conceal a myriad of aids to help one during a terrorist >attack. You could custom outfit yourself to fit your own situation like >a giant Swiss Army knife. > > Panniers or hoopskirts would probably be great for a terrorist too--I bet they're big enough to hide some kind of explosive device. Not that I'm any expert on bombs . . . but if you tried to get on an airplane in such an outfit, security would give you very close scrutiny. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 19:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BNfTiu015890 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:41:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BNf0Zq058432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BNenrf000272; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BNeljp000162 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so262803wra for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GlxT+vYSCr3sf400CYkSlsxHvV16ax1y2vffKwf/SrtJmMxbd41tf6fp/vsEX6N3QJETCp1y/hyYacO3st8Yb9NswRoQBOeiZWZ36cu64kqqFBXAq4t+yBmHrKjp1IJLLg4sau1JURPGUaHqbCy80A1Obt6fJHIY3l0Mo8ukIVE= Received: by 10.54.36.75 with SMTP id j75mr4357752wrj; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c050711163974440489@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:39:40 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne(and Scottish fabrics) In-Reply-To: <42D25542.9020901@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42D25542.9020901@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6BNeljp000162 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >a giant Swiss Army knife. Except you can't get a Swiss Army knife onto a plane! On 7/11/05, Lavolta Press wrote: > Panniers or hoopskirts would probably be great for a terrorist too--I > bet they're big enough to hide some kind of explosive device. Not that > I'm any expert on bombs . . . but if you tried to get on an airplane in > such an outfit, security would give you very close scrutiny. Especialy with metal bones! I was pulled out of line in 1982-3 travelling by plane from SFO to LA with a boned bodice in my duffle bag. Security went through everything I was carrying. I barely made it onto my plane in time. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 20:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C0kL2n016856 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6C0jh6i063262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C0jdl5035353; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6C0jZGq035273 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61556 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2005 00:45:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EShM7YlMZWiFeHPkSfhpaHIrh6dwdDOFg2hce/e2WNoDoIUv1C89Egy4fn2eopVRixdM/VR7geTgqY3nGEnekiZyCDPv95SxPEcSKXr/NesmSYril2K14gBCmBP3PtMxwONM4esDKxLEi3Dmxu/clvrDE1bu0LZrXqIw1/5tL1I= ; Message-ID: <20050712004530.61554.qmail@web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.66.101.203] by web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:45:30 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] new book To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please let us know when you put the purses up on ebay. I'm getting giddy just at the thought of owning something made by you! Pam Dotson Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I got two books from Sweden some time ago. One is a book about Sophia Magdalenas weddingdress, wich is a french court dress with a huge pannier. It is in Swedish, dont know if they have translated it. Livrustkammaren is the museum in the world that has 4 complete french court dresses, and i knew the 3 of them, but this book shows also the 4th. wich is a weddingdress used for Gustav III's younger brother's bride. Then i wondered if any of you 17th century folks know how rich and wonderfull the book Fashion Lions is? It is packed with costumes from the northern part of Europe, included some of the danish costumes. Never have i seen a finer scandinavian book, it is to be compared to the large book i also have from Colonial Williamsburg, dont remember the name pressent, sorry. We have a heat wawe in Denmark right now, wich makes me gloomy because my fingers gets oily all the time, and i cant touch the embroidery on the chenille dress, but i have started a small factory of ladies purses, intends to sell them on ebay. They are quick to make, i can make one each day- well the embroidery that is.................. Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that the terror is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken patrols on the stations all the time....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 23:38:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C3cQsg020095 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6C3bf5N078759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C3bc5G020256; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C3bY3f020205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6C3bX1n009212 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:37:34 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] To Bjarne :-) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I can understand your worries. I'm going to be spending a week in Washington, D.C. at the Hyatt Crystal City. This hotel is right next to Reagan/National Airport. Only a few miles from the Pentagon (an old friend was at ground zero on 9/11. He survived Viet Nam and was working to make life easier for other veterans) and the White House. The conference is government run and covers the US military health care system. While there I intend to spend every free second in the Smithsonian or on the subway getting there. Ground zero for the latest terrorists junkies. I'm simply not worried. Do I believe that it can't happen to me? No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that the chance that I will at that particular place at that particular time is so small that it doesn't rate a worry. Granted, I don't take the tube every day, but I'm not so sure how much that really increases your change of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The death toll in London is around 50. Far worse, the injured is around 700. This from a number of commuters/tourists/shoppers that probably numbers in the many thousands. The chances against being one of them must have been miniscule. Much less than your chance of being run over riding your bike to work the next day! At any event, this is blackmail. The schoolyard bullies beating up on one person and threatening the rest "if you don't tow the line, next time this will be you!" The choice is to crawl to their demands or to stand up like grown ups and refuse to be bullied into accepting their way "or else!" Don't you dare take this personally because it isn't meant for you Oh Great Dane (grin - that's a joke)! The English have had a saying for nearly 1000 years: "If you pay Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane." These terrorists want their variety of Danegeld. If they get it, they will be back again, and again. I've always had the highest respect for the Danish people. They stood up to the greatest bullies of the last century, the Nazi's and did what they believed was right. Probably the only country in the world that came out of WWII with the moral high ground intact. Do I believe that all the US is doing is right? No, and neither do a large share of Americans. However, I don't see that letting the terrorists who are willing to massacre completely innocent people to get their way as anyone I want to hand the world over to either. Love your embroidery. Hope the ladies purses go over well. Hope the weather cools down soon since I'll be spending three weeks in September/October in England and Scotland (one whole week in London!) Wanda Pease Snip ...... > Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that > the terror > is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here > soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken > patrols on the stations all the time....................... > > Bjarne Drews _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 23:44:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C3ioPd020163 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6C3iTib079919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:44:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C3iSkI023966; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C3iQwp023926 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.55] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DsBh3-0002XT-1F for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:44:25 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c58693$fdf0d320$37159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D25542.9020901@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne(and Scottish fabrics) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0ba48ca87f756b6c7808cd06f6f4d35d9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.55 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > Panniers or hoopskirts would probably be great for a terrorist too--I > bet they're big enough to hide some kind of explosive device. Not that > I'm any expert on bombs . . . but if you tried to get on an airplane in > such an outfit, security would give you very close scrutiny. Yeah, and they'd probably make you buy two extra seats... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 00:11:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C4BiXa020354 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6C4BIAi081782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C4BGqi036230; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C4BCNH036177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C5YMxi032359 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:34:22 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new book Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:11:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050712004530.61554.qmail@web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050712004530.61554.qmail@web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507120011.06925.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 11 July 2005 8:45 pm, Pam Dotson wrote: > Please let us know when you put the purses up on ebay. I'm getting giddy > just at the thought of owning something made by you! > > Pam Dotson > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > > I got two books from Sweden some time ago. One is a book about Sophia > Magdalenas weddingdress, wich is a french court dress with a huge pannier. > It is in Swedish, dont know if they have translated it. Livrustkammaren is > the museum in the world that has 4 complete french court dresses, and i > knew the 3 of them, but this book shows also the 4th. wich is a > weddingdress used for Gustav III's younger brother's bride. > Then i wondered if any of you 17th century folks know how rich and > wonderfull the book Fashion Lions is? It is packed with costumes from the > northern part of Europe, included some of the danish costumes. Never have i > seen a finer scandinavian book, it is to be compared to the large book i > also have from Colonial Williamsburg, dont remember the name pressent, > sorry. Bjarne, could the "large book...from Colonia Williamsburg" be "What Clothes Reveal" by Linda Baumgarten? -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 04:11:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6C8BMS6025599 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6C8Anws002741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C8AiNd039738; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6C8AeYZ039656 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6C8AXH28458.; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:33 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:20 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "jacquard" pronunciation Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6C8BMS6025599 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 11/07/2005 21:58 >>> In a message dated 7/11/2005 4:51:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hanstar88@yahoo.com writes: jacquard Main Entry: jac·quard Pronunciation: 'ja-"kärd Of course it's a proper name, so the French pronunciation is fine too, as far as I'm concerned. _______________________________________________ Last week I attempted to forward to the list an article about the Jacquard loom from "Oxford Reference Online", but the system wouldn't let me. Here's the relevant bit: "The invention of the Jacquard loom by Joseph Marie Jacquard (1752-1834), born in Lyons, France, simplified weaving, but it also cost thousands of silk workers their jobs. There was much turmoil, and Jacquard on one occasion was seized by an angry mob and barely escaped with his life. The problem subsided when Napoleon purchased the loom and declared it to be the property of the French state. The purchase hastened the lowering of silk prices, which, in turn, greatly improved the market for silk, and thus helped the reemployment of workers in that industry. In 1819 Jacquard was awarded a gold medal and the Cross of the Legion of Honour. The use of his loom spread to England in the 1820s and from there virtually worldwide." When I was young I once had a holiday job at a local textile factory. Nearby was a man operating a machine to make the punched cards for Jacquard weaving. I should think the design was virtually unchanged since the 19th century. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 06:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CARd4L024712 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CAR6UK018234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CAR3iF094702; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-dav12.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CAQwYQ094638 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.68.50.246 by BAY10-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:26:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.68.50.246] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:28:47 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 10:26:52.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[3878AC10:01C586CC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6CARd4L024712 Status: RO Out of curiousity, is there a reason for making a long slash with a chisel rather than with scissors? On a similar note, I used a gouge (curved chisel) to make the dagged edges of a hood, and it worked very well. Nancy Kiel "I'm not lost, but I don't know where I am." -- David Byrne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Uhl To: h-costume@net.indra.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] I forget if I mentioned this or not, but getting a long slash by putting one right after the other works, although it does tend to have a little jag where they meet--once the slash is properly fulled (by washing & tumble drying), this shouldn't be a problem. But if using a fabric which cannot be washed, this might be an issue. -- Robert Uhl > Homines est! Dici omnes! Soylens viridis HOMINES EST! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 07:04:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CB40Eq025214 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:04:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CB3Pi7020117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CB3NEH008454; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CB3J6M008427 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6CB3ZfM013654 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:03:37 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6CB3BfN439426 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:03:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050712035347.0261efe0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:56:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing In-Reply-To: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Out of curiousity, is there a reason for making a long slash with a chisel >rather than with scissors? I use an Xacto knife. Scissors leave a jag at one end, where you begin cutting, unless you're really careful. I lay out all my slashes on the back side of the fabric, or at least the lines between which a row of them will go, and I use a convexly-curved blade on the knife. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 09:15:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CDFWQ8027024 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:15:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CDEpcR029258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CDEi7S067158; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:14:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CDEgu9067121 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6CD96p04405 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D3C3A4.304@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:20:36 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050712035347.0261efe0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050712035347.0261efe0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could also, conceivably, use a seam ripper, as long as it was fairly sharp. Where I worked, years ago, we used to use them all the time when cutting away letters and such on backlit awnings*, but then, we had a nearly endless supply of them, and could discard at will. Doesn't leave the little jags that scissors can. --sue *Think of awnings for casinos and such--frequently a large part of the awnings are made from one fabric or vinyl, but the "logo" areas are made from other materials. In an application a bit like reverse applique, the see-through materials are sewn to the back of the base fabric along certain design lines (usually letters for a word or name, or a design element), and then the extra bits of base fabric are carefully removed to reveal the accents beneath. If the awning is to be backlit, you have to be *exceedingly* careful with stitch holes and maintaining an even margin of fabric, because the tiniest errors can cast suprising shadows when the thing is lit up. It was a very interesting job, but not one that I'd want to have to do again if I can avoid it--at the very least, it did a lot to ruin my hands! ;o) Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Out of curiousity, is there a reason for making a long slash with a >> chisel rather than with scissors? > > > I use an Xacto knife. Scissors leave a jag at one end, where you begin > cutting, unless you're really careful. I lay out all my slashes on the > back side of the fabric, or at least the lines between which a row of > them will go, and I use a convexly-curved blade on the knife. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 10:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CEGmoK002285 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:16:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CEGBfQ034591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CEG7PT004022; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CEG1ZH003906 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.1ac.3b50c964 (15703) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R44 (fwm-r44.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.148]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d5742d3d09ad; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8C755035964BC54-C1C-D0F8@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507120337.j6C3betm020279@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.148) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:54 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507120337.j6C3betm020279@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.148 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I used to do live-action roleplaying, I was always trying to convince the boys that I should get a point of armor for my steel-boned corset. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 10:29:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CET0s9002459 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:29:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CESbmQ035781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CESaHr012609; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6CESV04012562 for ; 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Message-ID: <20050712145413.75073.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web40424.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:54:13 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Subject: Re: [h-cost] "jacquard" pronunciation To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507120337.j6C3betm020279@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, I guess my friend and I are both wrong! She says it "jack" + "erd" (like "herd"). While I tried to "frenchify" it, giving the "j" the "zhe" sound, like the name Jacques. :-) We also argue about "voile"..... Good thing we only argue about stupid things like that! Thanks again, AlbertCat & Adele de Maisieres, ~mary > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > > jacquard > > > Main Entry: jac·quard > Pronunciation: 'ja-"kärd > > Of course it's a proper name, so the French pronunciation is fine > too, as > far as I'm concerned. > > ------------------------------ > > From: Adele de Maisieres > > ja-CARD. The first 'a' is pronounced like the 'a' in 'funeral'. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 11:04:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CF41S1002962 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CF3Qg7039156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CF3LZb037963; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CF3EJd037874 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6CF3WfM032374 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:03:32 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6CF373b266954 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:03:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050712075828.0268c9a8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:03:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712072534.0307fa20@pop.surewest.net> References: <8C755035964BC54-C1C-D0F8@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com> <200507120337.j6C3betm020279@net.indra.com> <8C755035964BC54-C1C-D0F8@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>When I used to do live-action roleplaying, I was always trying to >>convince the boys that I should get a point of armor for my steel-boned corset. >>And I've been known to refer to a steel-boned corset as my "brigantine". :-) There's a Charles Adams cartoon from like the 1930s or 40s, showing a matron in a corset shop, wearing a hat, slip, stockings, shoes, and a corset made up of geometric shaped pieces of something. The sales lady is telling her "This one has the advantage of being bulletproof". 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Thanks, Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 13:13:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CHDC09004943 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CHCOBA054471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CHBuKn042583; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CHBkqn042442 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.52] (helo=boris) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DsOIK-0003qO-Uv for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:11:45 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=IGxoeb0he+crD86RT+MI0OG/DHFJ3YMDc2RfJD6sVZFmJQnkJEW2OGxYT3xkV2jT; Message-ID: <003401c58704$d21de280$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507120337.j6C3betm020279@net.indra.com><8C755035964BC54-C1C-D0F8@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050712072534.0307fa20@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:12:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48823f277a9b1ed3b8e92af199cbb913e4396bf6a0aafa7dc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.52 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 07:15 AM 7/12/2005, you wrote: >>When I used to do live-action roleplaying, I was always trying to convince >>the boys that I should get a point of armor for my steel-boned corset. >> >>Tea Rose > > And I've been known to refer to a steel-boned corset as my "brigantine". > :-) > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net I do fight in my corset....I do historic rapier combat, and I fight in my early 17th century dress, complete with corset. The only thing I change is to wear my high-necked bodice instead. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 14:52:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CIqwAk006419 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:52:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CIqLGT066004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CIprql027445; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CIpZQp027163 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.212]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A871A47FE39 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery for purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry along. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 15:45:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CJjDGP007338 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:45:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CJiZJS071349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJhln4069839; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJhAIR069445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DsQeW-0004W0-OY for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:42:48 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:42:48 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:42:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:42:08 -0600 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tCRKQ2YsG4waqiXeWT5UB5RDn5I= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Nancy Kiel" writes: > > Out of curiousity, is there a reason for making a long slash with a > chisel rather than with scissors? It's very difficult to get a straight cut with scissors, at least for me--I end up with wide-mouthed Vs. There is a bit of an irregularity with the chisel, but it's still much less noticeable than with scissors. Also, for what I'm doing and how I do it, it helps to see a good portion of the fabric arrayed before me. > On a similar note, I used a gouge (curved chisel) to make the dagged > edges of a hood, and it worked very well. Actually the chisel worked so well that I've started try to think where else a similar arrangement might work out--similar to your usage of a gouge to make dags. -- Robert Uhl Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin. --John Von Neumann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:39:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKdJ6i008180 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKbxRV077668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKbjnm012340; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CPccs061558 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j68CPWZ15034.; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:25:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:25:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:25:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20050708T132525Z_8716000F0000@derby.ac.uk> From: "Kate M Bunting" To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:16:52 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Oxford Reference Online: Jacquard X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6CKdJ6i008180 Status: RO +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=* Place: H-costume list +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=* >>> 08/07/2005 11:10 >>> Kate Bunting found this entry in Oxford Reference Online and thought that you'd like to see it. I believe "damask" is a much older name (derived from Damascus) for a fabric with a pattern woven into it. Oxford Reference Online is an online subscription service offering fully searchable access to 100 of Oxford's dictionary and reference titles. A New Dictionary of Eponyms Jacquard Jacquard is the name of an elaborate woven design found in tablecloth damask, bedspreads, and brocades. The weave gets its name from the Jacquard loom, on which flower designs or even pictures of men and women can be woven. The name jacquard is also used for a type of knitting that requires a machine somewhat like the Jacquard loom to make changes in color or design. The invention of the Jacquard loom by Joseph Marie Jacquard (1752-1834), born in Lyons, France, simplified weaving, but it also cost thousands of silk workers their jobs. There was much turmoil, and Jacquard on one occasion was seized by an angry mob and barely escaped with his life. The problem subsided when Napoleon purchased the loom and declared it to be the property of the French state. The purchase hastened the lowering of silk prices, which, in turn, greatly improved the market for silk, and thus helped the reemployment of workers in that industry. In 1819 Jacquard was awarded a gold medal and the Cross of the Legion of Honour. The use of his loom spread to England in the 1820s and from there virtually worldwide. The loom was so constructed that each warp thread could be raised or lowered. It thus became the first practical machine to weave intricate patterns. It was operated and controlled by punched cards, forerunners of those used with the modern computer. Jacquard is a fabric woven by the jacquard method. How to cite this entry: "Jacquard" A New Dictionary of Eponyms. Morton S. Freeman. Oxford University Press, 1997. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:41:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKfl4K008214 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:41:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKfEOH078139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:41:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKf8EH015235; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CDv9Mx092095 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.212]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7398047FE80 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:57:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002601c586e9$99db3870$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:57:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Bjarne: Are you all really expecting a terrorist attack in Denmark? Or are > you worried about that web post from the group who said they did the > English > bombing, and threatened Denmark and Italy? It is easy to say anything on a > web site. It is much harder to do something. Do you have a large Muslim > population in Denmark? > > Gail Finke Hi Gail, I was thinking about the website that make these threats to Italy and Denmark. We do have a large group of muslims living in Denmark, but i am not afraid of them, they are very friendly people and they just do their job like the rest of us. Maybe a few real extreme relligious people, but not much. No i am getting more back to normal again, it is just that going away in a bomb attach would be the most stupid way to pass away, and that thoaght worries me. It is a horrified world we are living in today and i think it is only getting worse and worse. Sorry no more groomings from me. Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:42:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKgbeD008226 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKg97q078279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:42:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKg7mV016132; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CE9PJt099627 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.212]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0170C47FEC9 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005101c586eb$54d726b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050712004530.61554.qmail@web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200507120011.06925.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] new book Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:09:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes this is the one i ment, excactly. Thanks Bjarne > Bjarne, could the "large book...from Colonia Williamsburg" be "What > Clothes > Reveal" by Linda Baumgarten? > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by > entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going > to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:45:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKjAFI008265 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKieu2078562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKiXif017970; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CG4XSu086722 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.6b.48faf9c7 (48576) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:04:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes and buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than intended. (that said, I never had that problem.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:48:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKmQvT008314 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:48:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKhkJP078440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:47:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKL9P6098843; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6CKKJYj098178 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96200 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2005 20:20:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dHHSYO8pOPws2iEuW9u7aS6RhQFzuos1Bc0Xhee1k/v7eNHAvA6RWQnRQizgUNWhP0yFHT1n4aB+y4PFn3iJ5h1LhGA+pM/H0h7XI3I6qHSoKFYMhc7HgapkFJPd3HUOkYPrx7W7/TcsXSyoFox+TwPUfB8R5/ffjj5U6ac4D98= ; Message-ID: <20050712202014.96198.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:20:14 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shameless nothing! Those are so beautiful Bjarne! I know I'll be keeping an eye out on Ebay and if the budget allows, I get to acquire a Bjarne original...yipee :) Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry along. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Bjarne --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKmRvM008317 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:48:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKhkJN078440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJolrK075646; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJoA94074922 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6CJo4n26963 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <42D41EE6.4020209@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:49:58 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses References: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh my. Those embroideries are lovely! I can't wait until you put them up on ebay, Bjarne. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:49:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKnlbH008337 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:49:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKn9nY079284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKn9fh022034; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJ0BiX034504 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0117.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.118]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4F531AD7A for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42D4132F.40605@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:59:59 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses References: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They are beautiful! I like the fhirst one with the ribbon embroidery. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can > have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just > wanted to hurry along. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:49:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKnl0L008340 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKnMOW079349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKnMTu022208; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJ0qkK035071 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mevanwy@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so18869wra for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:00:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Fh3xc5U34tPpeZnXctS/cLjZruWWu7ynfh4Zd+2SebtKmbSNyFX/NAA9sFOFFwGbtnx9XMh/lMJyYk3JI0UZB/MwqJvQ55Q0PzsAy1WZvnQFCGcEIkiC5jwHgjI9F1n3Tuil7Q1xCIXqiowEw0/9kdDV6cvuQM5aJ4WKYntqIdk= Received: by 10.54.47.67 with SMTP id u67mr42179wru; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.95.7 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <803c445e05071212003c5c73d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:00:47 -0700 From: Andrea McElwain To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses In-Reply-To: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6CJ0qkK035071 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 7/12/05, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a > look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry > along. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > Bjarne I'm drooling all over my keyboard now... those are absolutely gorgeous! Andie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:49:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKnpc0008343 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKnUEj079409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKnTiY022314; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6CJQAr5055633 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-15483); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:25:59 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:25:58 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712122137.06798b60@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:23:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses In-Reply-To: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:51 AM 7/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can >have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just >wanted to hurry along. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > >Bjarne Very beautiful, Bjarne. Are these your own designs? They are very evocative of 18th and 19th century designs. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKp7RR008364 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKo5D1079492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKnuLG022688; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CJbQQI064662 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050712193705015003ak5ge>; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:37:05 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.116; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:37:04 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:37:04 +0000 Message-Id: <071220051937.8871.42D41BE00002AF1F000022A722007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stunning as always...How much would you charge if I wanted just the piece not set into anything? I have a plan... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares > Hi, > I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a > look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry > along. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 16:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CKpRqj008371 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CKp0s8079649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKowMR023687; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CKosCW023570 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04267 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:10:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:10:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 In-Reply-To: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes > and buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than > intended. (that said, I never had that problem.) I start at one end with a seam ripper and work toward the center. Then I start from the other end and work toward the center. It takes a little practice to make sure the two lines meet straight, but it does eliminate the problem of overshooting. This is for buttonholes; I haven't done slashes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 17:34:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CLYHME009026 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:34:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CLXkGc084702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CLXPMX057292; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CLXEhF057162 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.60] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DsSNE-0000PF-O5 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <021b01c58729$47d41f20$3c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c58712$c45e1b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <803c445e05071212003c5c73d3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:32:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b29f30152cf616893195b7f90b92f6f2d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.60 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne- You're going to make some lucky people very happy. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 18:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CMMAPO009833 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: bjarne Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: bjarne Thread-Index: AcWHIg7kxaVPHJFdSrGK211XTJSTHwACqSAg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6CMLQl9093713 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne: Yes, I also think "what is the world coming to" more the older I get, but also try to keep in mind that there has always been something out there to fear might kill us. Just think of what would have gone on if, say, during the Black Death of 1347-51, there had been today's technology and news media to cover it. Plus, in those times, everyone was more aware that death could come at any time, and quite suddenly. It is really with the advent of sophisticated medical technology that those of us in industrialized countries do expect to live long, healthy lives. To keep this on a costuming bent, terrorists seem to have certain things they like to wear(like many robbers, they like to wear hoods or ski masks to hide their identity, and dress in dark colors or fatiques)and perhaps other clothing will become popular or unpopular if a terrorist is pictured wearing such. And some of us may start wearing some kind of anti-bomb protective clothing with no more thought than the fact we don clothing to fit the seasons or a day's event. Anyone want to speculate on Future Wear? For instance will fear of developing skin cancer return us to wearing natural fabric clothing that covers more of the body with hats and gloves becoming expected wear? Will untanned skin become fashionable again as a sign you take the extra time to hide your skin from the sun? Or will we continue to bare more skin and use more sophisticated sunscreens, while persuing the ultimate "safe" fake(healthy) tan? Cindy Abel cynthiaabel@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 18:31:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CMV5IK009991 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:31:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CMUdOB090774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMUd4i000885; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMUYrp000823 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215E240185 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DD0C13951; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC1ESEAAxrUQEAAAAB,4ee4db517dd6b3b9ac068b1dea466d33 Message-Id: <20050712223028.DD0C13951@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You will have everyone on the list in a bidding war when you put them on eBay. I have wanted something of your work for ages. Let us know when to start bidding. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:49 +0200 To: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery for purses Hi, I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry along. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 18:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CMxCA7010481 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CMwcWV003622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMwWqq020465; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMwSlg020378 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A465651CBA for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050712152218.035aae10@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:24:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 In-Reply-To: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> References: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:04 AM 7/12/2005, you wrote: >but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes and >buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than intended. >(that said, I never had that problem.) I use a seam ripper for buttonholes, but I place a pin at the end I am aiming for to stop the ripper before going too far. It's worked for me so far! As for long slashes, I either use an x-acto blade, or I use my rotary cutter, again with a pin at the end to stop the cutting. I tend to use the heavy quilt pins as they can take abuse better than my silk pins. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 19:06:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CN6qF3010614 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CMUdOB090774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMUd4i000885; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CMUYrp000823 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215E240185 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DD0C13951; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery for purses X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC1ESEAAxrUQEAAAAB,4ee4db517dd6b3b9ac068b1dea466d33 Message-Id: <20050712223028.DD0C13951@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You will have everyone on the list in a bidding war when you put them on eBay. I have wanted something of your work for ages. Let us know when to start bidding. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:49 +0200 To: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery for purses Hi, I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a look. They need to be ironed, shameless of me, but i just wanted to hurry along. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 19:07:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CN7Vri010631 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CN79wO004318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN78lY026136; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN75Qw026060 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:06:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:06:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:07:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 23:06:59.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[685C9990:01C58736] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I forget if I mentioned this or not, but getting a long slash by putting > one right after the other works, although it does tend to have a little > jag where they meet--once the slash is properly fulled (by washing & > tumble drying), this shouldn't be a problem. But if using a fabric > which cannot be washed, this might be an issue. I plan on doing this on suede, so of course it won't get washed or fulled! But I don't want very long slashes anyway, and I think they make woodworking chisels long enough for what I want. Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 19:07:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CN7sbL010645 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:07:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CN7aKl004357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN7agH026569; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN7XNs026408 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:07:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050711040549.00b737b8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: pinking & chisels was Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:08:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 23:07:28.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[794A3FA0:01C58736] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- >> >>What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something >>made especially for slashing? > > I use both a pinking chisel like these: > http://www.greenmanforge.com/ Hmm that might be interesting. Any idea why I should buy this over a wood chisel? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 19:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CN9gfr010680 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CN9LiY004514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN9KBg027703; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s6.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s6.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CN9HtW027661 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.91]) by omc1-s6.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:09:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:09:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Items of possible interest Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:09:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 23:09:16.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA168930:01C58736] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > That's a nice looking awl handle. Do you know if they sell any of those > things individually? > > Marc > (always looking to improve my collection of medieval shoemaking tools) Which one are you referring to? The one at Historic Enterprises? If so, I think they sell everything separately, at least they used to, even if it's not always easy to find them on their website. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 19:10:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6CNArcr010698 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:10:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6CNAS8b004605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CNAS5K028384; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav15.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6CNAPEW028298 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:10:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:10:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 23:10:20.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFBA9D20:01C58736] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portrait gallery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Here's a gallery of portraits that might interest some of you. http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/archives/portraits/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 20:23:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D0NW20011945 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:23:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D0MtuN010675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D0MovL070536; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D0MkFG070500 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m52.in-tch.com [216.166.191.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6D0HBp21524 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D4603A.70207@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:28:42 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 References: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *snort* Silly teachers....If you've got the skill, why *not* use the tool? That's what they were designed for! --sue, who generally prefers to use a single-edged razor blade for seams ;o) Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes and > buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than intended. > (that said, I never had that problem.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 21:12:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D1C773012805 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D1BeUF014575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1BdjL096483; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1BZ5u096414 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJJ00L9JKME9V10@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.35] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.19]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:11:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:11:02 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43b02743c21e.43c21e43b027@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] brocade / damask question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO uummm,,,,, Does anyone get the magazine 'Threads' ? It has a short answer to the question - difference between brocade & damask?? Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 21:22:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D1MSLU013007 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:22:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D1M5bO015155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1M5Wh001828; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1M1b7001735 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.156.54b9fb31 (48624) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <156.54b9fb31.3005c6b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:21:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/12/2005 9:12:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, purplkat@optonline.net writes: It has a short answer to the question - difference between brocade & damask?? My short answer is a brocade has a raised pattern and a damask doesn't. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 21:22:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D1MXOa013012 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:22:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D1MFvS015174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1MFVO001926; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D1M5QO001833 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.20] (acty1020.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.20]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742B0668E for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:22:01 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Only thing to be careful of is hitting too hard and >splitting the wood, sending a sharp chisel shooting into one's thigh. >This is pretty easy to prevent. > >Hi, All. If this is a concern, try using plywood to cut against. The cross layers will prevent the chisel from splitting the wood. If you only have regularly grained wood available, either make the cuts 90 degrees to the grain of the wood or work on another surface other than your lap to avoid injury. I would hate to see anyone get hurt in this manner...Mike T. PS, if you have a blacksmith in your local SCA/reenactment group that can anneal/harden, they can help you create differently shaped pinking chisels by annealing the wood chisel, bending or filing the blade then re-tempering it. Good Luck and be safe, MJT > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 22:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D2q7WD014654 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:52:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D2pNJv021509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D2pK9J045458; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D2pDDt045405 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6D2p7dv010625 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050712213950.00b73648@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:41:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: pinking & chisels was Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane In-Reply-To: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050711040549.00b737b8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:08 PM 7/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- >>> >>>What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or >>>something made especially for slashing? >> >>I use both a pinking chisel like these: >>http://www.greenmanforge.com/ > >Hmm that might be interesting. Any idea why I should buy this over a wood >chisel? They are made to look like extant examples so if you are in a situation (i.e. living history) where your use of the tool is on display, they are perfect. Otherwise, I don't see much of a difference. Unless of course you prefer the smaller size of the the repro one. I got one just because they are really cool. : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 23:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D3Phh5015279 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:25:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D3PGdE023599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D3PEY2061463; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6D3P8Kq061399 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-2546); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:25:08 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:25:07 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:22:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question In-Reply-To: <156.54b9fb31.3005c6b2@aol.com> References: <156.54b9fb31.3005c6b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:21 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/12/2005 9:12:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >purplkat@optonline.net writes: > >It has a short answer to the question - difference between brocade & >damask?? > >My short answer is a brocade has a raised pattern and a damask doesn't. A brocade is a patterned fabric woven with a supplementary weft; if you remove the pattern threads the ground fabric is still intact. Damask is more complex to define. According to Sharon Alderman's "Mastering Weave Structures", 'Damask is a cloth having satin and sateen areas on the same face' (page 69). Satin is warp-faced, with almost no weft showing; sateen is the opposite, weft-faced with almost no warp showing. No supplementary weft is used. The basic weaves are complex twills with 5 or more shafts. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 12 23:28:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D3SDkL015344 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:28:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D3Rjb6023836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D3Ritl062736; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D3RfSY062701 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:27:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29635D248 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050712201251.03620f60@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:27:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/977/Tue Jul 12 16:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Clothing protection from the sun (was Re: bjarne) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6D3SDkL015344 Status: RO At 03:21 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote: <> >Anyone want to speculate on Future Wear? For instance will fear of >developing skin cancer return us to wearing natural fabric clothing that >covers more of the body with hats and gloves becoming expected wear? >> > >Cindy Abel >cynthiaabel@creighton.edu While I won't speculate about future wear, the comment about wearing cottons and other natural fiber clothing reminded me of something I found recently while looking at the Rit Dye site online, and that is their Rit Sunguard. http://www.ritdye.com/sun_guard/ "Rit® Sun GuardTMLaundry treatment works by putting a colorless agent into clothing that absorbs UV rays so that they do not pass through your clothes. You can’t see it, feel it or smell it, but it works invisibly to protect from the damaging UVA and UVB rays from the sun." I am going to try this myself on my family's linen shifts and chemises for faire (and some regular clothes as well). While most of our bodies are well covered, I know our arms (when sleeves are off) and upper chest are not. Handkerchief weight linen is rather transparent, so anything that helps reduce burns on our bodies will be greatly appreciated. I should also add this to my lightweight partlets as well, to reduce that odd-shaped tanned breast area that tends to show up every summer after faires. The company states that this product doesn't change the way material looks, smells or feels, so it is worth a try in my book, especially since I live in sunny central California where today we got 100+, and expecting hotter the rest of the week. Needless to say I stay indoors a lot during the summer, and we do wear hats outside. And yes, I am a bit paranoid as a mom. I used to worship the sun when I was a teen, and now wonder if that was a fatal mistake, that I don't want to repeat with my kids. Thankfully, I rarely burned as I have oriental skin that browned nicely, but the danger is worse today. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 00:44:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D4iZHX016764 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:44:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D4htSG030480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D4hqAZ002499; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6D4hn4n002428 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84705 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2005 04:43:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J06JNqUZn29z3RqtqiFWctcSqvcZslBUXscVX3yW5c1cM705lgZwnv1QqOHXJsP/mvpKNpjtDEFi8U9qNp2/KgelO/qHHD0bOpj//QbNC/w0KaFemgbaKyX1YpPrzuksNQTvY1k9T2MVHSM3Fm0Wiv3S0luS/FQVrV+XNR5q5dA= ; Message-ID: <20050713044343.84703.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.14] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:43:43 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seam ripper/slash maker To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you put a straight pin cross wise at the end of the slash line wouldn't that act as a stopper, so you couldn't slash past the desired length? Melody --- Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam > rippers for slashes and > buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going > further than intended. > (that said, I never had that problem.) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 00:49:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6D4n8Xh016843 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6D4mel6030919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D4mcQR004822; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6D4mVFB004767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DsZA4-0002cC-RB for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:47:57 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:47:56 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:47:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:47:20 -0600 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tN8BQJsoUJq84an5N+1sBvpLBb4= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Abel, Cynthia" writes: > > For instance will fear of developing skin cancer return us to wearing > natural fabric clothing that covers more of the body with hats and > gloves becoming expected wear? As a slowly balding guy, I can only hope that hats make a comeback. And as a red-blooded guy, I can only hope that women's gloves come back:-) > Will untanned skin become fashionable again as a sign you take the > extra time to hide your skin from the sun? One can only hope so. There's nothing quite so pretty as a fair-skinned girl with a rosy blush to her cheeks! -- Robert Uhl According to the latest poll, 60 percent of Americans want Al Gore to concede the election. The other 40 percent are lawyers working for Al Gore. --Jay Leno _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 07:01:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DB1Lcs024032 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DB0j4a066506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DB0ei9051955; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DB0aoX051867 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJK0014ZBWTE020@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:00:39 -0400 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robert Uhl wrote: >> <>As a slowly balding guy, I can only hope that hats make a comeback. And >> as a red-blooded guy, I can only hope that women's gloves come back:-) >> Ok, gloves? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 08:44:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DCiJel025460 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:44:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DChf3D072796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DChand097181; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DChYdh097135 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so98546nzn for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:43:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R/Y5rZB0Hb8KVPqvxAZcXjHynfQ+XbJLONNJCmtgCZ7hIPrhVEyKAhhW7z+srt0eu1TeUupphnmOlqTB2aGd7M+ncraXxQnaSC9RaWs/WQ+tW7sBZvugVobuW7N3Qr15Xo4Qw2CE6lh3fXO27Or9GUoJW9gRhR/5U4NrsXmc238= Received: by 10.36.120.10 with SMTP id s10mr728934nzc; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:43:27 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] In-Reply-To: <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6DChYdh097135 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've found that rolling cutters work well on both fabric and leather... use a straight edge. Examples: http://bordervalekeep.crosswinds.net/Images/Irmgart/DSC00417a.jpg http://pics.livejournal.com/thalionar/pic/00024e10 (he thinks he's fully dressed in this picture... I was in the kitchen so didn't get a chance to "fix" him before he went out in public. He's missing his garters.. Also, the doublet is after he'd fenced in it. It's in the process of being replaced. Believe me, I was *steamed* when I saw it trashed the first time!) -Irmgart On 7/12/05, michael tartaglio wrote: > > > Only thing to be careful of is hitting too hard and > >splitting the wood, sending a sharp chisel shooting into one's thigh. > >This is pretty easy to prevent. > > > >Hi, All. If this is a concern, try using plywood to cut against. The cross layers will prevent the chisel from splitting the wood. If you only have regularly grained wood available, either make the cuts 90 degrees to the grain of the wood or work on another surface other than your lap to avoid injury. I would hate to see anyone get hurt in this manner...Mike T. PS, if you have a blacksmith in your local SCA/reenactment group that can anneal/harden, they can help you create differently shaped pinking chisels by annealing the wood chisel, bending or filing the blade then re-tempering it. Good Luck and be safe, MJT > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 08:58:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DCwJx5025659 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DCw0F9073855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DCw0ms003905; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DCvuCa003877 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m4.in-tch.com [216.166.191.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6DCqKp05236 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D51138.700@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:03:52 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Irmgart, when I clicked on the 2nd link, I got an odd error message--something along the lines of "Forbidden: you do not have permission to view this picture." --sue Irmgart wrote: > I've found that rolling cutters work well on both fabric and > leather... use a straight edge. > > Examples: > > http://bordervalekeep.crosswinds.net/Images/Irmgart/DSC00417a.jpg > > http://pics.livejournal.com/thalionar/pic/00024e10 > > (he thinks he's fully dressed in this picture... I was in the kitchen > so didn't get a chance to "fix" him before he went out in public. He's > missing his garters.. Also, the doublet is after he'd fenced in it. > It's in the process of being replaced. Believe me, I was *steamed* > when I saw it trashed the first time!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 08:58:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DCwUl9025662 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:58:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DCw8dB073893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DCw8Bb004004; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DCw43q003902 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:57:50 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seam Rippers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes > and buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than > intended. (that said, I never had that problem.) I start at one end with a seam ripper and work toward the center. Then I start from the other end and work toward the center. It takes a little practice to make sure the two lines meet straight, but it does eliminate the problem of overshooting. This is for buttonholes; I haven't done slashes. --Robin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had used a seam ripper on tons of buttons holes with no problems, then I slipped, once. That was all it took. Now I put a large pin at the end of the buttonhole and 'rip' toward it. Pins on either end of the line might help. And Bjarne, the embroidery is absolutley gorgeous!!!! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 09:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DD8aNp025787 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DD82dd074526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DD80xc009157; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6DD7vBh009137 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-6219); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:07:57 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:07:56 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050713060445.04728b80@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:05:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] In-Reply-To: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:43 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote: >I've found that rolling cutters work well on both fabric and >leather... use a straight edge. > >Examples: > >http://bordervalekeep.crosswinds.net/Images/Irmgart/DSC00417a.jpg > >http://pics.livejournal.com/thalionar/pic/00024e10 > >(he thinks he's fully dressed in this picture... I was in the kitchen >so didn't get a chance to "fix" him before he went out in public. He's >missing his garters.. Also, the doublet is after he'd fenced in it. >It's in the process of being replaced. Believe me, I was *steamed* >when I saw it trashed the first time!) > >-Irmgart I was not able to view the livejournal picture. I received a "not authorized" message. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 10:41:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DEfnbH027186 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:41:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DEeoxP082443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEek0O063678; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEefmM063626 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6DED9C17550 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:13:09 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713101821.05f972f0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:39 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Going round in circles... (The T-shirts and pants things) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Coming back to the thread on "droopy drawers" for the moment, The one thing the droopy drawers (I mean, jeans) -- worn most frequently with knee-length, greatly-oversized T-shirts (or sports jerseys, or tanks, or...) -- reminds me of is, all the threads on this list and others about shirtes and trews. I have to chuckle at these young kids going around in what looks like their (somewhat updated!) underwear! Then again, we've had the "camisole top", "chemise dress", and "slip skirt/petticoat skirt" trends going in and out of style for young women over the past 25 years or so, that it's probably about time for young men to go around in "underwear-as-outerwear"... OTTH, the first time I saw **T-shirts** that oversized in style, they were shown in a junior/misses/women's ("Hey, tourist gal! Buy this as a souvenir of Miami Beach, 1980!") shop, one side knotted up at just-below-crotch height, worn either as a beach coverup or over leggings. The thing that really bugs me about current styles, though -- other than the "I have a loaded diaper under my pants" look -- are the super-low-cuts that require the wearer shave or wax off *everything* below the navel and make even the slimmest of women look pregnant. Worse, I think this look triggers anorexia since some of the slim teens and young women who have bought into this look show up on health-and-fitness sites such as SELF magazine's "healthy eating forum" severely underweight and asking how to lose weight to get rid of their "pooch" (natural belly curvature). An interesting side-note is that to my eyes, the media only seem to acknowledge anorexia nervosa (which I understand to be a continuing problem among women at least going back to the 1920's and probably back to Victorian days, if not further) when the current style for females is for hip-huggers/low-riders/"waistline"-exposes-part-of-the-belly slacks... Then again, given the choice of seeing large numbers of obese women who think they look fine in tight-fitting, belly-exposing tank-tops with super-low-slung jeans, or those obese women being afraid to go out in public because they believe they *don't* look fine in any sort of modern clothes (and therefore stress-eat themselves into even worse obesity)... viewing the exposed bellies has *got* to be the better choice... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 10:42:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DEgNrP027194 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DEfdYY082539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEfddm064306; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEfY7w064242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DsiPY-0000aF-8l for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:40:32 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:40:32 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:40:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:39:38 -0600 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OHnVVjIakbkbXv/VbIKzV/XvE2E= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO J Schueller writes: > >> As a slowly balding guy, I can only hope that hats make a >> comeback. And as a red-blooded guy, I can only hope that women's >> gloves come back:-) > > Ok, gloves? They're cute, that's all. Which is something I don't get about most modern business clothing. The entire purpose of clothing is to make one attractive, and yet there are few things less attractive than business casual for both men & women. -- Robert Uhl Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea. --John Ciardi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 10:54:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DEsf11027355 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DEs9Qn083892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEs7Hp072759; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DEs39Z072656 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJK00BQPMOVHMH1@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:53:28 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robert Uhl wrote: >They're cute, that's all. Which is something I don't get about most >modern business clothing. The entire purpose of clothing is to make one >attractive, and yet there are few things less attractive than business >casual for both men & women. > > > That is something that i can DEFINITLY agree with you on. I am a teacher and i useally look "overdressed" at work because i can't stand khakies and such. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 10:59:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DExtHR027444 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DExW7X084540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DExUNp076683; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DExR5r076630 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id KAA17771; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:59:26 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200507131459.KAA17771@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200507122310.j6CNAUs0028401@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6DExR5r076630 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery for purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just gorgeous. Any idea how much you plan on selling them for...and what that would equal in US dollars? Julie > Hi, I have uploaded 4 different embroideries for purses so that you can have a look. > Leif og Bjarne Drews _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 11:28:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DFSFwi027895 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DFRoKW087924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DFRmOM098970; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DFRho8098876 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13045 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:47:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:47:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing (was: gloves) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Robert Uhl wrote: > ... Which is something I don't get about most modern business > clothing. The entire purpose of clothing is to make one attractive, > and yet there are few things less attractive than business casual for > both men & women. I can think of plenty of purposes of clothing other than making one attractive. In a business setting, in particular, there are many situations in which a woman does not want to look "attractive" because she is taken less seriously or is assumed to be sending sexual signals. Competent, professional, tidy, tasteful, yes. Attractive, definitely not. And men typically do not find any need to look "attractive" at work; men who go out of their way to look attractive may be seen as interested in something other than getting business accomplished. Deborah Tannen has written some interesting things about the linguistic concept of "marking" and business clothing. In language, "marking" is the addition of a suffix or other element to a word to indicate gender or another quality, e.g. the generic "poet" plus a marker becomes "poetess" and in turn signals certain qualities. She notes that in business settings, men have the option of dressing in an "unmarked" fashion -- that is, neutrally, so that nothing about their clothing stands out or makes a statement about them. In the average office setting this might mean a grey suit and conservative tie, or a blue blazer and khakis, or whatever is considered the norm. They can add to that -- an arty tie, red socks, etc. -- or choose something else entirely, if they wish to use the clothing to make a statement. Women, however, have no "unmarked" option in this setting, because whatever they wear is interpreted (accurately or not) as meaning something. If they wear the female equivalent to the man's suit, it's read as sending a signal of (at the least) their intent to fit in, or to seek power, or to be "masculine," or any of a number of other things. Women's clothing can be variously "cute" or "sexy" or "frumpy" or a variety of other things. Makeup sends signals; the lack of it sends a signal. Short skirts send one signal, longish ones send another. And so forth. In some social settings, this is true as well -- men can rent generic tuxes (which they may or may not choose to differentiate in some individual way) but there's no such thing as a generic evening gown. To bring this back to historic clothing, it strikes me that in many of the periods we discuss here, both men and women's fashions were "marked," at least on the upper-class level; there wasn't always a "generic" that all men (or all women) could wear that would not send a signal. I think I'm only beginning to recognize some of the clothing signals that would have been evident to the period viewer in my eras of study. I know a scholar who has done two books so far on the significance of the clothing descriptions on Chaucer's general prologue to the Canterbury Tales, if you want a good set of examples of cues that the medieval reader would have found significant. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 11:36:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DFaUTH027997 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:36:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DFa7LT088872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DFZA3v004921; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DFXxPT004061 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EA23C941 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:33:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:35:12 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Irmgart wrote: > I've found that rolling cutters work well on both fabric and > leather... use a straight edge. > > Examples: > > http://bordervalekeep.crosswinds.net/Images/Irmgart/DSC00417a.jpg > What is that on your head? I can't quite make out the style of headwear. Just curious, as I think headwear *makes* the costume, and I'm always looking at new styles for historic wear. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 12:26:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGQ5l2028840 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DGPCS5094710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGP2Et046863; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6DGOwAi046718 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 26522 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2005 16:24:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tSXUeI8lhIy5nRbdjsxcm1PsqwcX95wW5fP14IMe+AN8zi3Rxdx5I/MfUGFP6Pa08MWy04V62gkx8S4enf0nbfdzGwYo5VyHIoi8yhwhABuXw1K+N+QEzhIgMQ7yLyqhhrKtmG/7pUA3xVoLy7xwxb44bjOhlcpdapqhE0fjzpo= ; Message-ID: <20050713162453.26520.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.143.70] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:24:52 BST Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:24:52 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003401c58704$d21de280$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And I've been known to refer to a steel-boned corset as my "brigantine". > :-) > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net Your brigantine??? .... Er - what is the connection between a woman's steel-boned undergarment, - and a two masted, sailing cargo-ship - square-rigged on the foremast, and fore-&-aft-rigged on the main mast Sorry, but I had to ask :-)> Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 12:29:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGTnps028907 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:29:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DGTEfU095171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGTDkj050268; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGT6TZ050182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-149.sonic.net [209.148.114.149]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGT4CZ015366 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:29:05 -0700 Message-ID: <42D4996B.2010500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:32:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >l, yes. Attractive, definitely not. >And men typically do not find any need to look "attractive" at work; men >who go out of their way to look attractive may be seen as interested in >something other than getting business accomplished. > > There is "attractiveness" that is not a come-on. Many men and women find it important, even required, to look attractive at work. A company dress code, official or unofficial, boils down to presenting the image the company wants to present, or which that department of the company wants to present. Obviously, people connected with the fashion industry in any way tend to dress fashionably, at least if and when they "meet the public." Professionals in the performing arts do their best to look attractive, or at least off-beat, because appearance is an important part of those jobs. From my observation, most people who do much face-to-face marketing or sales dress noticeably well and are well groomed, and are often naturally handsomer/prettier than average. Corporate CEOs, even of companies like computer firms where people tend to dress down, tend to look very sharp. Their job involves representing the company as well as running it, and their personal image has to display success. And, many other people. In my last not-working-for-myself full-time job as a senior editor for a midsize book publisher, I (and other editors above the copy editor level) were officially required to dress up because we regularly "met with authors." I went to work every day in high-fashion clothes (never suits, which were viewed as acceptable but dowdy). Any female editor at any level who wore pants at that company got reprimanded (except one who was officially excused because she had nasty scars on her legs from an accident). As was any editor of any gender who wore what they defined as a T-shirt. Not a T-shirt cut per se; I wore silk T-shirts; the editor-in-chief thought a T-shirt was a cotton knit. Male editors had to wear suits; "slacks" were not allowed; the pants had to be suit pants. They went in for the tweedy English professor look. >She notes that in business >settings, men have the option of dressing in an "unmarked" fashion -- that >is, neutrally, so that nothing about their clothing stands out or makes a >statement about them. In the average office setting this might mean a grey >suit and conservative tie, or a blue blazer and khakis, or whatever is >considered the norm. > I think women tend to assume that men's clothes and appearance don't matter as much, because they're not men. Also, men are culturally encouraged to say they don't care about appearance. But that doesn't mean they don't, or that it does not affect their jobs. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 12:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGnxgo029262 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DGnUHb097636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGnQWm067822; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGn6o1067506 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so129734nzf for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iD7eJr6wMe9me6w7x8OxbQaf1GR6fIb08Cuh2ZmcWwAL0fN43X1Sv6diW7HL4aVSim+iT/TNCYlnldgPFWWiKnlFjQyp6YAOcbfDkvU6Fv8UaiRfBjTNA5YVHWVq/SpU4mJB3IISG9JqXGaV5YDPfP0K8rDCybuuqyMGajrkFXs= Received: by 10.36.42.20 with SMTP id p20mr953205nzp; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:49:01 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] In-Reply-To: <42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> <42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6DGn6o1067506 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO whoops! Correct link for first pic (forgot that it was locked): http://www.freewebs.com/irmgart/wilhelm.jpg As to what is on my head: something along these lines: http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOneZoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&viewMode=1&item=11.15 And a caul made out of a yellow jaquard (same as the guards on the skirt) and more red velveteen. Unfortunately, the hat wasn't stiff enough (I didn't interline it with anything) so it's being stiffened with corsage pins. -Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 12:51:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGpAaU029298 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DGoV7Z097802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGoSjK068774; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGoIED068641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6DGkF0R027221 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:46:15 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D54649.6050205@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:50:17 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming References: <20050713162453.26520.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050713162453.26520.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joan wrote: > And I've been known to refer to a steel-boned corset as my "brigantine". julian wilson wrote: > Er - what is the connection between a woman's steel-boned > undergarment, - and a two masted, sailing cargo-ship - square-rigged > on the foremast, and fore-&-aft-rigged on the main mast? An understandable confusion between the T in the word for the ship, and the D in the word for the plate/scale armor. Main Entry: brig·an·tine Pronunciation: 'bri-g&n-"tEn Function: noun Etymology: Middle French brigantin, from Old Italian brigantino, from brigante : a 2-masted sailing ship that is square-rigged except for a fore-and-aft mainsail Main Entry: brig·an·dine Pronunciation: 'bri-g&n-"dEn Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from brigand : medieval body armor of scales or plates -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 12:52:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DGqp6h029336 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DGqKqJ098054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGqHgB070452; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DGq4sa070231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB429DBC06 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD522DBC07 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Schueller" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) > Robert Uhl wrote: > > >They're cute, that's all. Which is something I don't get about most > >modern business clothing. The entire purpose of clothing is to make one > >attractive, and yet there are few things less attractive than business > >casual for both men & women. > > > > > > > That is something that i can DEFINITLY agree with you on. I am a > teacher and i useally look "overdressed" at work because i can't stand > khakies and such. My husband's place of employment is slowly swinging in the other direction--they just sent down a new rule that jeans and khakis are no longer acceptable dress during the week--and this is a cluster of radio stations, which normally tend to be quite casual. I did notice, though, that I have never seen the program director without a suit and tie. Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 13:45:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DHjFO9030169 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:45:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DHi0qB003565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DHKtJJ095416; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DHKnG5095246 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14024 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:40:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:40:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing In-Reply-To: <42D4996B.2010500@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Fran quoted me as saying: > > >l, yes. Attractive, definitely not. and responded: > There is "attractiveness" that is not a come-on.... with examples such as: > dress noticeably well and are well groomed > look very sharp > display success. > high-fashion clothes We are not in disagreement. That was the exactly the distinction I was making when I clarified my use of "attractive" in my original quote, which you snipped: > In a business setting, in particular, there are many situations in > which a woman does not want to look "attractive" because she is taken > less seriously or is assumed to be sending sexual signals. Competent, > professional, tidy, tasteful, yes. Attractive, definitely not. The original poster talked about how he liked gloves on women for aesthetic reasons and then commented that "the entire purpose of clothing is to make one attractive," which he felt business clothing does not do. That struck me as a much narrower definition of "attractive," which I maintained in my response. Your points make perfect sense for a broader definition, but that was not the one I was discussing. I also was speaking specifically of the "business casual" clothing that the original poster cited (as I quoted). This is not relevant to all professional settings; as you mention, fields such as performing arts, fashion, and sales have particular cultures that are reflected in their clothing expectations, and my statements did not refer to that. In the offices I've worked in, it was the secretaries and lower-level assistants that wore the snazzy hairstyles, trendy jewelry, shorter skirts, figure-flattering tops, and the like. The higher the level, the more sober the women dressed -- definitely well-groomed and successful, but not at all "attractive" in the narrower sense. I learned early on that the degree to which I got hit on at the office was directly proportional to the "attractiveness" of my clothing. It is very hard to work with people who are looking at you rather than your work. I learned to dress in a way to give off a "hands off" signal, which is in fact the exact opposite of "attractive" in the narrower sense. Perhaps things have changed in the last 10 years, but I don't hold out a lot of hope on that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 14:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DILsiU030784 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DIKm1J007578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIKhdY044630; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIKcAC044566 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be79.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.121]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 70C7F5EE057 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001501c587d7$9a2e4850$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net><42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:20:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > > Dianne >> >> _______________________________________________ Sure, i agree wholehardedly with this! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 14:23:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DINl6q030815 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:23:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DINKg9007889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DINIqo046842; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DINDe0046691 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6DIN7aU025883 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:23:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:23:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:22:50 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey everyone, I have to agree with Suzi. I don't wash my velvets before or after I sew...it seems to mess with the pyle/pile. ok, it gets funky after it's washed; however gently. Just my 4 cents (inflation + GW Bush, ya Know) Rhonda Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru in Training Circulation Department Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt >>> suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk 7/11/2005 3:15:10 AM >>> At 04:36 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and >the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the >point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change >that. > >Suzi in London I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? To allow me to clean it at home, with gentle detergent and rinse, and then hang to dry. Otherwise, my costumes would cost a fortune to keep dry cleaned, not to mention all the trims I would have to remove first as dry cleaners here mangle or melt them. If I am using velvet it is for an elaborate gown, covered with trims, and totally unsuitable for washing. I have customers from 20 years ago who have only had their costumes dry cleaned, and they are in excellent condition, no melting or mangling. Obviously it takes all sorts. Not to mention that some of the velvets I have purchased have the nastiest hand before wash (all the treatments), and soften up nicely after wash. I have never had to buy velvets that I didn't like the hand of - I don't give customers those to sample!! And the rayons here are not really shiny at all. However, the so-called silk velvets are really nasty looking, and expensive, but usually look cheap!! I won't touch them at all. Isn't it fascinating how different our experiences qwith fabrics are? Suzi in London -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 14:27:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DIRdSr030886 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DIRCrP008296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIR9la049853; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIR21s049714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-195.sonic.net [209.148.114.195]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIQwpx027892 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:26:59 -0700 Message-ID: <42D4B50D.5040801@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:30:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've also spent a lot of time as a technical writer in computer cultures, where, below the higher management levels, appearance is downplayed. I was generally one of the best-dressed female employees, as well dressed as any of the secretaries and better than some. I was even told by one freelance writer who always wore old jeans and dirty blouses, and who had worked at many companies, that good appearance was harmful to a career at all associated with technical work. But I always found it to be the opposite. In a culture that downplays appearance you can wear pretty much what you want (as long as it's not super-extreme offbeat; but I even worked with one programmer who apparently never either bathed or washed his clothes; he reeked). That includes looking fashionable. And also, no, although my co-workers were predominately male (at one company there were only three full-time female employees including me), they weren't hitting on me. And although never model material, I've always had average good looks. Everybody was far more interested in getting their work done than in socializing. As someone who's been married (to the same person) her entire adult life (since I was 18) and never worn a wedding or engagement ring, I think being hit on is largely a matter of the signals you send off (on purpose or not). And by signals, I don't just mean clothes. If you tell people you're married, and don't act available, they understand you're not available and that's that. Besides, these days people are afraid of getting sued for sexual harrassment if they hit on someone in the office. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com >In the offices I've worked in, it was the secretaries and lower-level >assistants that wore the snazzy hairstyles, trendy jewelry, shorter >skirts, figure-flattering tops, and the like. The higher the level, the >more sober the women dressed -- definitely well-groomed and successful, >but not at all "attractive" in the narrower sense. I learned early on that >the degree to which I got hit on at the office was directly proportional >to the "attractiveness" of my clothing. It is very hard to work with >people who are looking at you rather than your work. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 14:30:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DIUwKS030941 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:30:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DIUU7q008677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIUTZD052531; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIUOvM052423 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJK005BUWP91CL8@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.21.80]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:29:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:29:33 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) To: Historical Costume Message-id: <68afc66f89.66f8968afc@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, at my wedding this past weekend I kept wondering who that drop-dead gorgeous broad shouldered, blond haired back belonged to ... then remembering it was my HUSBAND! That was the first time I had seen him in a tux... DDDRRROOOOOOLLLL...... Of course he kept drooling on my 1940's vintage hoop skirted dress. Katheryne --------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:09 -0400 From: Dianne and Greg Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 14:32:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DIWGqQ030968 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:32:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DIVnN1008810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIVmO8053531; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DIVits053483 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be79.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.121]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B22A47FE95 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:31:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c587d9$2bf1b140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:32:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidered purses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, You have ben most generous with your interesse in my embroidered purses. I thank you a million times. Guess i could sell some then. I now have started to make some embroidered with silk all the way. Those i have shown you are mixed, some with cotton. But i now have had the Gumnut Yarns from Australia wich i can use for the bullion roses, and Gumnut Yarns are pure hand dyed silk threads. I plan to sell the mixed fiber ones for about 80 dollars included postage for USA. The purses will be lined with soft silk satin, and i plan to make them with eylet holes and lacing in the top. For the pure silk embroidered, i will charge 120 dollars because i have imported from many different countries with the silk threads, and i had to pay extra taxes to get them. When i get there, i will let you know when they are ready to be shipped. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 16:21:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DKLqwZ032681 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:21:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DKJu8l020064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DKJdC3039592; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6DKJW0b039444 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPL73MAM5Y3GJ for (sender ); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgpw1TzKX4boKpYP/6sE2zWI= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXTLMBCS; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:18:16 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:15:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Message-ID: <20050713.131701.3784.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:940162354 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ae0607460e5bdf0e5bd7571bd75a57dd5c55569cd65c5518425cd055111906451800185e035e029157559bde071 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LOL! Oh my, yes! And it doesn't mean he has to be a buff guy either. Well-dressed, well-groomed guys are nice eye candy. Arlys On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:20:49 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > > > > > Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? > Rarr! > > > > Dianne > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > Sure, i agree wholehardedly with this! > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 17:25:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DLPfhj001420 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DLOkcW026510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DLOLsr091609; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DLO2MO091298 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:23:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:23:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:24:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 21:23:56.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D7493D0:01C587F1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes and > buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than > intended. > (that said, I never had that problem.) I was taught the opposite in my sewing books :-) They tell to just put a needle at the end of the slit to make sure you don't cut too far. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 17:38:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DLcBvX001792 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DLbRRv027752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DLb7xI002142; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DLb1Cp002052 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from Fiona ([151.199.138.86]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IJL00DU35DNEMO4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:36:59 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 In-reply-to: To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was taught not to use rippers for anything, and I don't. Nippers are far more effective, and easily controlled. Button hole chisels on the other hand are a dream! Ron Carnegie > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:24 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 > > > > but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for > slashes and > > buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than > > intended. > > (that said, I never had that problem.) > > I was taught the opposite in my sewing books :-) They tell to just put a > needle at the end of the slit to make sure you don't cut too far. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 19:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6DN2DBS003294 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:02:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6DN1TeD036199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:01:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DN1Opv066707; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DN1LPP066647 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6DMXf703459 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713150504.06069eb0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:01:18 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6DN1LPP066647 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What will be interesting will be to examine our ideas of what clothing will be like 20 years from now, 20-30 years from now to see how far off the mark we were... Back in grade school, when we still had weekly "Assembly" marked by performances from each class in the grade (each week a different class), one of the classes put on a "history of fashion" show. I recall this being during the 1967-68 school year, and the group of classes was first- and second-graders (6-, 7-, and 8-year-olds). The show ended with a look at "fashions of the future" which, for the purpose of the presentation, was approximately 1980. The two girls modelling this "look" were wearing metallic-looking clothes (I believe one had on a jumper of silvery bonded-knit lamé, with a gold large-link chain belt worn at hip-level). Around us, the NASA space program was in full-swing and we fully expected to be able to travel to the Moon and Mars easily within our lifetimes -- the cartoon program _The Jetsons_ was a very plausible "future reality" for us. The metallics represented the future for us, space travel and space suits and the idea of these lines and fabrics trickling down into everyday apparel. As it turned out, the only element of that grade-school "fashion show" that was "prescient" about 1980 is that we still had some below-the-waist styles of lower-garments -- hip-huggers had not yet died out completely. On the other hand, George Jetson's front-ladder-laced polo shirt is little more than a solid-color version of the broad-striped "rugby shirt" of the 'seventies and early 'eighties, or today's ubiquitous polo shirt -- and the highly-structured collars and shoulder treatments of Jane and Judy Jetsons' dresses survived, morphed into the ultra-broad-shouldered, structured and highly-graphically-oriented "power suits" Bob Mackie created for the "Alexis Carrington Colby" character in _Dynasty_. Some of the more dystopic looks at the future would have had us all in "Mao suits" by now; yet the women's "power suit" of the '80's (ref John T. Malloy, "The Women's Dress for Success Book") is almost impossible to find in a modern cut and many workplaces encourage creativity in self-presentation to a degree that would have seemed unthinkable even a deacade ago. So... camoflage "Mao" suits with metal plate interlinings? Shirts and shifts because nobody can afford outer garments (except the very rich)? All-natural fibers? All synthetic fibers? Holographically-projected clothing (now *there's* "The Emperor's New Suit of Clothes" for ya...) Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 13 20:09:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E09HHt004330 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E08ep1041195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E08b3t005742; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E08Wug005699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-40.sonic.net [209.148.114.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E08VKj006864 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <42D5AD00.80105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713150504.06069eb0@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713150504.06069eb0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Something retro. The fashion industry has been mining retro (or history) since, heck, since about 1800. Maybe 20 years from now, the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s all mixed together? 30 years from now, they can start swiping from some years later in the 2000s. Maybe they can do the Geek Look. Recalling the glamorous years of being able to make (or lose) a killing in high-tech start-up stocks. Of course, the really distinctive geek accessories were old-fashioned by the 1980s--the plastic reinforcer for the ballpoint pen in the shirt pocket, the stack of punch cards, and thick glasses. But I could see them being labeled 1980s-90s anyway. On the other hand, maybe it'll be time to revive the Punk Look. It'll still be ready-to-wear, probably mostly made in countries where labor is cheaper, and relatively comfortable and practical. Meaning, even though high heels might be worn, I don't see boned hoopskirts or bustles as such ever coming back as long as the RTW industry predominates. Maybe some kind of poofy skirt style, but not the real thing. There might be some new synthetics, but I'd wonder _how_ new. I'm not a textile expert, but a number of the "new" ones now seem to be minor variants on rayon, polyester, and--Lycra? What is the forerunner of Spandex? Maybe there will be a new textile that provides extra sun protection? In other words, I see fashion evolving along the same lines it's been evolving in for some time. I could see some sort of new electronics that would spur a need for special pockets in clothing and purses. Maybe a combination small personal computer (but the monitor would be terribly small, unless you could magnify the image) and picture cell phone. As for nanotech within the human body, I don't see it happening except for people who are fatally ill or otherwise medically desperate, for whom it is worth the substantial risks. If you've ever had a few problems with your Miscrosoft programs, can you imagine what buggy software could do INSIDE YOU? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Brenda Bell wrote: > What will be interesting will be to examine our ideas of what clothing > will be like 20 years from now, 20-30 years from now to see how far > off the mark we were... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 00:13:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E4DnpQ008894 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E4D7Ag057576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E4D3rN028255; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E4CxDj028222 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85191511A2 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713205528.0353cfb0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:03:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Going round in circles... (The T-shirts and pants things) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713101821.05f972f0@mail.earthlink.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050713101821.05f972f0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:40 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote: >or those obese women being afraid to go out in public because they believe >they *don't* look fine in any sort of modern clothes (and therefore >stress-eat themselves into even worse obesity)... viewing the exposed >bellies has *got* to be the better choice... As an obese woman (200+) who is currently pregnant and have a toddler to deal with, I don't go out a lot (especially in summertime when it's 100+ out). When I do go out, I don't wear the current fashions or bother trying to deal with current fashions. I am working on figuring out my own fashion sense of style and have come to accept this body, for all its lumps, bumps, and current back pains (pregnancy isn't grand sometimes). This is why I appreciate being able to sew my own garments. But I am glad that larger fashions for us larger women are actually looking decent for a change, and not just a larger version of a thin fashion maker's idea of beautiful. Larger women are designing clothes made to fit and be attractive on larger women, and I am so thankful for that. But I would still rather have fun with historical fashions. While I may not fit the "ideal" thinnness of those times either (depending on time frame), to my eye, they are much more attractive in many ways than the current loose-fit-rectangular-tube-on-a-stick fashions of today. But that's my thoughts, and everyone's will be different. :-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 00:56:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E4uAdx009757 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E4tQoG059687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E4tOAi046322; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E4tKLl046289 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6E4RZR11399 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:27:35 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:54:31 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" In-Reply-To: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> References: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:32 -0700, Lavolta Press wrote: >Something retro. The fashion industry has been mining retro (or history) >since, heck, since about 1800. Maybe 20 years from now, the 1980s, 1990s, >and early 2000s all mixed together? 30 years from now, they can start >swiping from some years later in the 2000s. That sounds a lot like what the '90's were like... 40's shoulder pads, 50's "crinoline" skirts, and... hmm... some of the Mod and Rocker looks of the 60's/early 70's, plus add in the 50's "biker" look (often redone in black as "punk") and the "Goth" look... >Maybe they can do the Geek Look. Recalling the glamorous years of being >able to make (or lose) a killing in high-tech start-up stocks. Of course, >the really distinctive geek accessories were old-fashioned by the >1980s--the plastic reinforcer for the ballpoint pen in the shirt pocket, >the stack of punch cards, and thick glasses. But I could see them being >labeled 1980s-90s anyway. The pocket protector would hold your iPod or your Smart Phone... Geek glasses almost seem to be back, but for women. Then there were the high-water pants worn with mismatched sweat socks, the crew-necked undershirt sticking out the unbuttoned collar of the shirt... In short, the "Are You a Nerd?" poster of circa 1980 that was marketed alongside the "Are You a Preppy?" (male and female versions) posters. FWIW, the one on my door was the "Are You A JAP?" version -- while *I* wasn't, I grew up in a town where most of the Conservative and Reformed Jewish girls... *were*. I notice Lord & Taylor has had a lot of Scooter Skirts this spring/summer. 'Course there's another name for it now... >There might be some new synthetics, but I'd wonder _how_ new. I'm not a >textile expert, but a number of the "new" ones now seem to be minor >variants on rayon, polyester, and--Lycra? What is the forerunner of >Spandex? Maybe there will be a new textile that provides extra sun protection? One of the very interesting new fibers that's being worked with is Holofiber, which IIRC aligns microprisms in a polyester matrix. It conducts light of certain wavelengths from the outside surface of the fabric to the inside; at current, it is used mostly in specialized medical applications (wound healing). >In other words, I see fashion evolving along the same lines it's been >evolving in for some time. I could see some sort of new electronics that >would spur a need for special pockets in clothing and purses. Checkout the clothing sold at http://www.scottevest.com -- they've been doing hidden/specialty pockets for years, now! >Maybe a combination small personal computer (but the monitor would be >terribly small, unless you could magnify the image) and picture cell phone. What I've seen people talking about is a HUD that displays on your spectacles (think of "Augur's" specialized glasses in _Earth: Final Conflict_)... >As for nanotech within the human body, I don't see it happening except for >people who are fatally ill or otherwise medically desperate, for whom it >is worth the substantial risks. If you've ever had a few problems with >your Miscrosoft programs, can you imagine what buggy software could do >INSIDE YOU? Hey, most humans already *have* "buggy software" inside them. Otherwise, how would you account for genetically-based diseases, cancers, even such common medical problems as bunions and Metabolic Syndrome? Though I should certainly hate to have to believe that Mr. Gates and Mr. Ballmer are G-d and Jesus rolled into one... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 01:18:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E5I0OI010179 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E5HTJl060949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E5HPj9054846; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6E5HJYe054804 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 21949 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 05:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.6.137) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 05:17:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:24:26 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> Message-Id: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to hijack your topic, but I've got a question on the same topic - I'm about to make an upper-class Elizabethan Gown and am looking for a lovely rich brocade to use in earthy colour combinations - can anyone recommend a place online that I might go to that would have a design that is close to period accurate and is of a natural fibre? Also which is better/cheaper to buy, use and sew - linen/silk or linen/wool blend? Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 02:28:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E6Spsm021060 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E5ZknJ062070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E5Zi0X061668; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E5Zfdh061628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-103.sonic.net [209.148.113.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E5ZdT8011946 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: <42D5F9AC.3090000@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:35:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" References: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The pocket protector would hold your iPod or your Smart Phone... Geek > glasses almost seem to be back, but for women. Then there were the > high-water pants worn with mismatched sweat socks, the crew-necked > undershirt sticking out the unbuttoned collar of the shirt... Hey, my husband still wears the crew-necked white undershirt sticking out of the shirt neck. Though I made him quit wearing intentionally mismatched (loud) socks years ago. Also, he quit wearing sandals to work when they promoted him to management. > What I've seen people talking about is a HUD that displays on your > spectacles (think of "Augur's" specialized glasses in _Earth: Final > Conflict_)... If you mean a computer display on the glasses, there is some guy who designed them and is wearing them regularly to prove someone can. It would drive me nuts. > > Hey, most humans already *have* "buggy software" inside them. > Otherwise, how would you account for genetically-based diseases, > cancers, even such common medical problems as bunions and Metabolic > Syndrome? Yeah, but why make the problem worse by uploading someone's buggy software just so you can make fashion statements like growing an extra nose this week or covering yourself with green body hair? > Though I should certainly hate to have to believe that Mr. Gates and > Mr. Ballmer are G-d and Jesus rolled into one... > > Nah, they're more powerful. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 03:09:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E79dP7003202 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E79Dxp067603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E79Bcq096191; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E797hb096162 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6E79QfM032392 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:09:26 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6E78rNh120688 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:09:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:51:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-Reply-To: <01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that good. Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he looks, well, bulky. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 03:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E7IiZI006583 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E7ICMI069309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:18:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E7Hee0099040; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E7Ffbi098375 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.52] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dsxwb-0005dW-3a for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:15:41 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=I2f7QGvHCSIiwTxwtZRyhq+n4KPt7h7Jql4xSizX6CCpKgxQIM69BHUpW1/45uCn; Message-ID: <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Men in suits (was: Future ware(gloves) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:15:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4896ff23dd975b3cb572ac6fb3ea969d21d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.52 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that > good. Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he > looks, well, bulky. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows I disagree. I have yet to find a man, of whatever physique, who doesn't look good in a suit. This includes a good friend who's at least 100 lbs overweight. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 04:09:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E89kDi015602 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E897uC081354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E8959Q017019; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E88V5w016770 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6E88OT12879.; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:24 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:11 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6E89kDi015602 Status: RO I particularly like the look of a three-piece suit (getting rarer these days). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> goofy1@suscom.net 13/07/2005 17:51 >>> Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 05:16:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6E9GhL4031089 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6E9G8vS086578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E9G5dw042383; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E9FQv4042190 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0B503D3F8F; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.103]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 90FBDD3F56 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c58854$937ed380$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:14:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Laughing Moon pattern! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just received word from my supplier last evening about a new Laughing Moon pattern. Very excited about this one and thought I'd share, as well as offer advance, discounted sale. Early 1860s Day Dress I know this pattern's going to be a hit, not only because of the consistent level of high quality, research, documentation, engineering, sewing instructions which are the hallmark of Laughing Moon patterns, but because this pattern includes three sleeve options, collar and undersleeves, as well as much more! Details about the pattern follow. Our normal retail on this pattern is $15.00CDN ($12.42US at today's exchange rate). On advance orders received until July 26 we're offering the pattern at $12.00CDN (approximately $10.00US). Anyone wishing to take advantage of this offer please note in your order 'Lorina's Special'. I'll catch that when I receive the order and be sure you receive your advance discount. But remember, discount only available until July 26! To view the pattern go to: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_983.html . View A is a copy of an extant period dress in the author's collection. Views B and C are copies of extant sleeves. Finished Length of Skirt is 42" in front and 45" in back. (Click on 'Click here for more product information' below for extra views.) All Views have a two dart front bodice and a classic curved V, tucked back. The darts are boned. The front of the skirt is directionally knife pleated, the sides are box pleated and the back is cartridge pleated (gauged). The bodice, sleeves, and skirt are flat lined with polished cotton. The skirt has a pocket and is stitched to the bodice. The bodice has piping at the neck, armscyes and waist. View A has coat sleeves, View B has pagoda sleeves, and View C has pleated pagoda sleeves. Included are a 1 1/2 inch collar and plain undersleeves. Sizes 6-26 included in same envelope. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 07:35:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EBZc05016257 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EBYfvM093372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EBYbDS097556; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EBYWHG097449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B30510191 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28385-02-30 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0C565100F3 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025c01c58867$f9fca3e0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) > > >Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > > Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that > good. Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he > looks, well, bulky. Oh, I dunno..I think it's a power thing, actually. And an expensive, beautifully fitted suit speaks power very loudly. I remember watching my dad leave for work, in a suit and tie and his gorgeous long overcoat, and being very proud that my daddy was so handsome! So maybe a suit speaks of security for me. Dianne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 07:36:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EBagol016275 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:36:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EBa9oq093434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EBa9B6098219; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EBa5Zl098163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85C15100FF for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28385-02-35 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DFF8510104 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026801c58868$3241da40$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net><42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > something along these lines: > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOneZoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&view Mode=1&item=11.15 > Sigh..I love that gown. Absolutely love it. I want it. And there is no way I have time to make it before Pennsic. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:03:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EC3rv3016743 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EC3X8q094775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EC3Wu4009467; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EC3SSB009434 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6EC3lfM022971 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:03:47 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6EC3MQW219302 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:03:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050714045818.025118f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:59:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Men in suits (was: Future ware(gloves) In-Reply-To: <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that >>good. Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he >>looks, well, bulky. >>I disagree. I have yet to find a man, of whatever physique, who doesn't >>look good in a suit. This includes a good friend who's at least 100 lbs >>overweight. Your friend probably looked better in a suit than he looks in a t-shirt and shorts, but I have my own preferences. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ECCne0016898 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:12:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECCJFj095252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECCIFY013377; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECCFU1013356 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6EC6cp03166 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:18:10 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the key clue in the original question is "well-fitted," which, for me, would certainly include fabrics with a drape/hand appropriate to the wearer and the design. Certainly, men with different builds will look different in suits, but they all do tend to look Pretty Darned Good in a properly fitted suit. But then, I think the same about most men in any sort of well-fitted historical clothing. Or the right Levi's and tee shirt. I suppose the same thing holds true for women, as well, although without the same "yumm!" reaction, at least on my part ;o) I do know that I look better when I'm wearing something that isn't completely sloppy and casual (which I do a LOT--I'm large and also work in a geek haven so the dress code is very...relaxed). Ditto my SCA garb (which is all that I do in the way of historical clothing)...properly fitted and cut, it looks a LOT better than a sloppy 'ole tee tunic. (Nothing against tee tunics, mind you, or any of the style-cousins, but many of the ones I've seen are old, sloppy, and badly-fitting. The nicely-fitting ones have just as much Yum! factor as other clothing styles. ;oD) --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > > > Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that good. > Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he looks, > well, bulky. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClHUJ017365 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECkTYG098010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECkQas032196; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DHx7Te026995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6DHt20R028774 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:55:02 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D55667.1060608@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:59:03 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > In the offices I've worked in, it was the secretaries and lower-level > assistants that wore the snazzy hairstyles, trendy jewelry, shorter > skirts, figure-flattering tops, and the like. The higher the level, the > more sober the women dressed -- definitely well-groomed and successful, > but not at all "attractive" in the narrower sense. That's because sex sells. Sells cars, sells people. If someone's for sale, they're not successful. Does "figure flattering top" mean "shows the bustline off to advantage?" "Whose advantage?" is the next question. I don't doubt that most of the people on this list understand this point; it's a pity more "average" people don't. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClJbD017372 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECkvxH098046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECkvjB032452; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6DK4fTZ027347 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.110]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050713200435.TQRW28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c587e6$47fcb9e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050713162453.26520.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Defensive costuming Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > And I've been known to refer to a steel-boned corset as my "brigantine". > > :-) > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net > > > Your brigantine??? > .... > Er - what is the connection between a woman's steel-boned undergarment, - and a two masted, sailing cargo-ship - square-rigged on the foremast, and fore-&-aft-rigged on the main mast > Sorry, but I had to ask :-)> > > > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, Well, in at least two Terry Pratchett books, there is reference to ladies corsetry 'creaking like a tea clipper in a gale'. That image just sticks with me for some reason. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClLBn017375 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECl1aq098072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECl1c3032511; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6DLWhSs098521 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 13720 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 21:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 21:32:37 -0000 Message-ID: <42D58873.6010102@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:32:35 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I know a scholar who has done two books so far on the significance of > the clothing descriptions on Chaucer's general prologue to the > Canterbury Tales, if you want a good set of examples of cues that the > medieval reader would have found significant. Would you have the citations handy for those works? Sounds fascinating! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClTe6017379 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECl9KR098116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECl8Mw032607; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E1g4tK057059 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJL00KAFGPVWFE3@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:42:05 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-reply-to: <01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D5C2ED.3040800@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > >Dianne > > Yes, and i keep trying to convice my husband tio wear that stuff, but he says since he put on the years to get a phd, he does not have to wear that, and so i have to subsite on him in khakies :( Now, to bring this back onto a historical note, I have a thought question. I was talking to some guys at work (older) and they siad that they had never bought cloths for themselfs, their wifes had always boght their clothes. So, how much of what guys wore over the centries has been what they wanted to wear, and how much of it was chosen by thier womanfolks? A;sp. it seems like many modern guys dislike "dressing up" per say (say tux and such) and the popular image is that women like to dress up more then guys. has this always been the popular image? jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClZXK017385 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EClD0Y098129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EClCm6032666; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E3LMa1003873 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050714032116.VBQM1498.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:21:16 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.170.74]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050714032115.MYDC1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:21:15 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.14]); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:21:27 +1200 Message-ID: <007601c58823$1eb21f70$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:21:26 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have to agree with Suzi. I don't wash my velvets before or after I > sew...it seems to mess with the pyle/pile. ok, it gets funky after it's > washed; however gently. And I've found all the velvet I have washed looks infinitely better than when I first got it. Same with many people around me who wash fabrics the second they get them. I was all mine in cold water with enough powder to remove whatever treatment is put on. I find velveteen here especially given some treatment that makes them mush harsher than they need to be. I snubbed velveteen for years because of it. I also either use fabric conditioner or regular conditioner (ok, high end stuff, but it's made for hair anyway;) ) and then hang it out on a day where it's either mildly windy (beats out folds and wrinkles) or on a damp day with light breezes. If the pile still isn't soft I'll hand spritz it with a mixture of water an my best conditioner and pat the pile until it feels better. I've had cotton velvet curtains come up beautifully this way too. Necessary when you are poor and the only large lot of velvet of this thickness you can get is by buying second hand. And when velveteen in the shops is less than perfect. I have had poly velvet get wet and then go crunchy when dry (though it was able to be brushed softer again), which really made me nervous the first time I washed cotton velvet. But I have also washed a viscose piled silk backed velvet with no adverse reaction. Gentle cycle cold water. I suspect success has as much to to with the actual fabric bought (and prestore treatment) as the water you have (our water fluctuates between soft and hard and musty) and the machine and drying space etc. I consider myself lucky to live in Auckland, even though the humidity is extremely frustrating from a comfort point of view, just as the rain is, it can be great for some washing needs. If not general washing needs;) We don't have a dryer btw, which is probably not the case for the vast majority here. We simply have no need of it. If it's cold and wet we usually have the heater on and the lounge becomes a laundry room over night. If it's a lovely day they we have two seperate drying areas. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 13/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:47:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EClcsB017388 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EClK86098207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EClKoa032762; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6E4Auff027267 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.20.48b8dad2 (3988) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20.48b8dad2.30073fc9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:10:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1740s characters X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of mine has been asked to get together some costumes for a short promotional film to show investors and others in order to get funding to do a whole film. He always comes to me for period consultation because he has never studied any period clothing or costuming or design. But he's bright and eager and learns fast. I come to consult you guys.... Anyway, I haven't seen a script or anything but apparently the cast includes 2 men, a son and father I think, who are Puritans in Ireland getting ready to go to the new world. There is also a Catholic servant girl. It is the 1740s. Obviously things need to look good and interesting....and convincing. We're trying to sell the thing, right? I thought the men would be in well made fine clothes in dark colors [wool] devoid of trim. Nice but not flashy buttons...perhaps of the coat fabric or matching,certainly analogous, in coloring, and button holes [uncut] being the only decorations. The silhouette should be reasonably fashionable I think...they aren't poor. So the coat skirts would be full with fairly large cuffs, no collar. The waistcoats kinda long and buttoned high. No frills on the shirt...but a stock [right?]. Plain stockings [dark?] and buckled shoes. Could I get away with a coat buttoning? In the 1740s, the coats' CF don't curve over the breast do they? They are straight. The men will most likely be rented. Any suggestions on where to go before we just call Western Costume or something? The girl [which I may make for my friend] I want to put in a jacket and petticoat. I'd do a simple gown...but the fabric I want to use is only a 4 yard piece. It's a cotton that is dark dark OD green...unevenly dyed...with a sprig with leaves printed all over in dark grey. Looks blockprinted. It'd make a great jacket with some modest skirts and laced up CF. I need some instructions on how to do a single lace. A dark petticoat and a pinner apron. A fichu should fill in....in a very modest way, the neckline. A linen cap...maybe one of those that has wide ties that go behind the ears and under the chin. She's not Puritan remember so maybe line the jacket with brick red...a glimpse of color. The apron shouldn't be white either I think. Maybe out and out beige or brown. Striped? Like ticking? What do y'all think? Any interesting details I might add to the men or girl you can think of? Like I said....haven't seen a script. Maybe it will suggest some good details...like scissors or keys on hanging from the girls waist...y'know, that kind of thing. Any suggestions and insights...or inside info on the period or Puritans...is greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:48:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ECm1ai017397 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:48:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EClVA9098266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EClVIH032938; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EAkHH7077977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6EAgC0R005194 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:42:13 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D64277.5030400@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:46:15 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question References: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'm about to make an upper-class Elizabethan Gown and am looking > for a lovely rich brocade to use in earthy colour combinations - can > anyone recommend a place online that I might go to that would have a > design that is close to period accurate and is of a natural fibre? Calico Corners is a chain expensive fabric/curtain store. They have damask silk in their orderable racks, but it's (IIRC) $50/yard. Lovely though. Side note: I was taught that it's not a brocade unless it has a gold thread in the design. Otherwise it's something else. Not sure if this is true or not! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 08:58:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ECwXi3017547 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ECwBb6099006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECwATm038464; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ECw6hI038385 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJM00GLVC0N73N3@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:58:09 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-reply-to: <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > (Nothing against tee tunics, mind you, or any of the style-cousins, > but many of the ones I've seen are old, sloppy, and badly-fitting. > The nicely-fitting ones have just as much Yum! factor as other > clothing styles. ;oD) > --sue I do seem to have MORE trouble getting a t-tunic to fit right then getting a fitted bodice to fit right though. I have lots of trouble with the tummy bigness in relation to the shoulders. (re my questions of about a month ago! ) jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:15:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDFT1t017788 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDF0mv000220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDExYF046885; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EDEtV4046852 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-28572); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:14:54 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:14:54 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050714061003.0540bb20@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:12:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question In-Reply-To: <42D64277.5030400@thibault.org> References: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <42D64277.5030400@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:46 AM 7/14/2005, Cynthia Virtue wrote: >Side note: I was taught that it's not a brocade unless it has a gold >thread in the design. Otherwise it's something else. Not sure if >this is true or not! A brocade is (properly, as per a weaver) defined by the weaving technique used to create the design. Gold thread just makes it an *expensive* brocade. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:21:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDL6oR017852 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDJhMm000601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDJgIS049332; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDJc18049283 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.163] (pm5-163.eos.net [205.133.149.163]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6EDJaOt021103 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:11:02 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507140321.j6E3LSc7003998@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 454 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Oh my, yes! For our wedding 17 years ago, all the men in the party wore pearl gray tailcoats. I loved the color at the time, though it is very dated now. As someone who loves historic costume, that doesn't bother me. Anyway, one of the men in the party was very overweight, and he looked gorgeous in his tux. It wasn't even fitted! Just a rental. I wish men would wear them all the time. I really got to appreciate suits when I worked in the Pennsylvania Capital building for a summer internship. Many of the lobbyists wore very expensive, tailored suits. And there is nothing anonymous looking about them! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:23:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDN1Fq017881 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDMXI0000756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDMWSm050787; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDMTX0050723 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6EDMMT10230.; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:05 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740s characters Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6EDN1Fq017881 Status: RO Well, I associate the term "Puritan" with the late 16th-early 17th centuries. Puritanism was a movement within the Church of England protesting against what they saw as continuing Catholic practices in worship. By the 18th century, people of that persuasion had started to form separate Nonconformist churches. I don't know anything specific about 1740s Ireland, but no doubt well-to-do Nonconformists would wear plain but well-cut clothing such as you describe. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 14/07/2005 05:10 >>> Anyway, I haven't seen a script or anything but apparently the cast includes 2 men, a son and father I think, who are Puritans in Ireland getting ready to go to the new world. There is also a Catholic servant girl. It is the 1740s. Any suggestions and insights...or inside info on the period or Puritans...is greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:28:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDSjFw017972 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:28:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDSDhq001079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDSCQx053485; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EDS8Ue053454 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26583 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 13:27:38 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:27:38 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Sorry to hijack your topic, but I've got a question on the same topic - > I'm about to make an upper-class Elizabethan Gown and am looking > for a lovely rich brocade to use in earthy colour combinations - can > anyone recommend a place online that I might go to that would have a > design that is close to period accurate and is of a natural fibre? Also > which is better/cheaper to buy, use and sew - linen/silk or linen/wool > blend? > Many thanks, Aylwen > Aylwen, I have some brocades that might work for you. They are 50% cotton/50% polyester and there are several in earth tones. I am trying very hard to find an all cotton/linen/wool brocade supplier but I am not having much luck and when I do find a lovely fabric, the price is outrageous. The blends that I have were a very good deal so I figured that at least 50% cotton was better than nothing ;~> Take a look at what I have: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/products.php?int_style_id=3 (Click the "next" button to see the second page) Let me know if you are interested in anything and I can send you swatches if you like. Just tell me which ones and what address to send them to.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:29:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDTNpW017996 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDSp5U001213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDSoqp053863; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EDSltm053826 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26682 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 13:28:17 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:28:17 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1111.67.188.164.116.1121347727.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooops! That last message wasn't supposed to go to the list. Sorry! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:31:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDV5TQ018025 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDUXel001384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDUX2i054933; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDUT9i054850 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6EDUNT10996.; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:13 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Influence of women, was Future ware(gloves) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6EDV5TQ018025 Status: RO Given the (officially) low status of women in the past (though many no doubt found ways of exerting influence), I can't imagine it ever having been the norm for wives to choose their husbands' clothes. As for "dressing up", don't forget that before the 19th century well-to-do men often chose to dress quite flamboyantly. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> jaurbik@optonline.net 14/07/2005 02:42 >>> Now, to bring this back onto a historical note, I have a thought question. I was talking to some guys at work (older) and they siad that they had never bought cloths for themselfs, their wifes had always boght their clothes. So, how much of what guys wore over the centries has been what they wanted to wear, and how much of it was chosen by thier womanfolks? A;sp. it seems like many modern guys dislike "dressing up" per say (say tux and such) and the popular image is that women like to dress up more then guys. has this always been the popular image? jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 09:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EDfBEu018163 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EDeSrl002138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EDeRPW060294; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EDeOKA060223 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79562 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 13:39:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jJt0Pi3t+boG/h+Sbl3qsxfb1x1y0NH1O56CZSd5TbyAJ2b32pYOjuAzGRFZ6w/0pdrNFPlhKseUMr+XxH47COVZDw1Hso6bHIE5Z0tLikc5IdXHczeQipnaHvxX8rWg9af2l9C1oFXwiUAqpkCfpTNHUPwunFJHZhn/4VH0TUs= ; Message-ID: <20050714133948.79560.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:39:48 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507141248.j6ECmDCm033305@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 455 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:10:49 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] 1740s characters To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20.48b8dad2.30073fc9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A friend of mine has been asked to get together some costumes for a short promotional film to show investors and others in order to get funding to do a whole film. He always comes to me for period consultation because he has never studied any period clothing or costuming or design. But he's bright and eager and learns fast. I come to consult you guys.... Anyway, I haven't seen a script or anything but apparently the cast includes 2 men, a son and father I think, who are Puritans in Ireland getting ready to go to the new world. There is also a Catholic servant girl. It is the 1740s. Obviously things need to look good and interesting....and convincing. We're trying to sell the thing, right? I thought the men would be in well made fine clothes in dark colors [wool] devoid of trim. Nice but not flashy buttons...perhaps of the coat fabric or matching,certainly analogous, in coloring, and button holes [uncut] being the only decorations. The silhouette should be reasonably fashionable I think...they aren't poor. So the coat skirts would be full with fairly large cuffs, no collar. The waistcoats kinda long and buttoned high. No frills on the shirt...but a stock [right?]. Plain stockings [dark?] and buckled shoes. Could I get away with a coat buttoning? In the 1740s, the coats' CF don't curve over the breast do they? They are straight. The men will most likely be rented. Any suggestions on where to go before we just call Western Costume or something? The girl [which I may make for my friend] I want to put in a jacket and petticoat. I'd do a simple gown...but the fabric I want to use is only a 4 yard piece. It's a cotton that is dark dark OD green...unevenly dyed...with a sprig with leaves printed all over in dark grey. Looks blockprinted. It'd make a great jacket with some modest skirts and laced up CF. I need some instructions on how to do a single lace. A dark petticoat and a pinner apron. A fichu should fill in....in a very modest way, the neckline. A linen cap...maybe one of those that has wide ties that go behind the ears and under the chin. She's not Puritan remember so maybe line the jacket with brick red...a glimpse of color. The apron shouldn't be white either I think. Maybe out and out beige or brown. Striped? Like ticking? What do y'all think? Any interesting details I might add to the men or girl you can think of? Like I said....haven't seen a script. Maybe it will suggest some good details...like scissors or keys on hanging from the girls waist...y'know, that kind of thing. Any suggestions and insights...or inside info on the period or Puritans...is greatly appreciated. I know the late 1700's better. The clothing seems right on, but seems to my recollection that 1740's is pretty late for Puritans in the states Again New england is not my area (New England is a BIG assumption on my part. Irish went to all areas of the new world north american colonies. What follows is the really,really short version of history Puritans were origianlly scheduled to land further south and ended up in the cold north. Ladies from Canada, did any end up on your shores? ) Am Rev War Mia in CHarlotte --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 10:08:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EE8BUr018582 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:08:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EE7QE5004006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EE7ObU075759; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EE7IPQ075701 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:07:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 9847 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 14:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.4.166) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 14:06:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:14:07 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Message-Id: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm feeling lazy, don't feel like getting out the tape measure, its 12:12am here in Australia - maybe one of you on the list has this info in your head - please don't go to any lengths - otherwise I should be the one doing the work - but approx. how much length of trim do you think I should get for a reproduction of this dress at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do you think the same trim is used throughout the whole dress, or maybe the tabs at the waist and shoulders are simply edged with gold? And where on earth would one find the jewellery? (or the money to get it :((! ) I've already purchased the cotton velvet and am presently making the undergarments. Regards, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 10:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EEAFFL018636 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:10:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EE9d7m004217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EE9dCR077021; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EE9Z0m076962 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23871 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:29:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:29:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing In-Reply-To: <42D58873.6010102@fenris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Young wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > I know a scholar who has done two books so far on the significance of > > the clothing descriptions on Chaucer's general prologue to the > > Canterbury Tales, if you want a good set of examples of cues that the > > medieval reader would have found significant. > > Would you have the citations handy for those works? Sounds fascinating! Laura Hodges, _Chaucer and Costume_ and _Chaucer and Clothing_. I'd suggest you get them via library or ILL rather than buying them sight unseen; they're primarily lit-crit (or, as the description says, "the semiotics of textile and costume in literature"), not costume histories per se. The first one (which is out of print) is about the secular pilgrims in the Tales, and the second (just released this year) is about the religious pilgrims. Summaries here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/59915778.HTM http://www.boydell.co.uk/43840332.HTM Laura and I had the same Chaucer professor (though at different universities) in, hmm, the late 1970s for me, I think the 1980s for Laura. We met through her at Kalamazoo and see each other there every year. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 10:27:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EERVnl018877 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EER03R005556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EEQww0087557; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:26:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EEQsMV087456 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail12.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.152]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPN7S4ANVN2CS for (sender ); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7490ACbkVsZkWw3WNFAvXVPpbzD6KTM4CQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXVJVGMT; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:26:15 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail12.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:25:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:25:52 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050714.072615.81.82487@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1648492882 X-MAIL-INFO: 13e9902090e470ade4c0e0c059f1384d813df0c10481a560d5e9a1bd3d4d0981adad244d91e9993d591d91e110ad918dedadf1f04951c950f1c02d1d11397439340471340414c10414501dd094d48054ed9441b4f5543041817df4415515dd11cd11389d14850411c1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.152|webmail12.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The wise acre answer to that is, how much can you afford? For my Elizabethans I have stopped buying trim in anything less than 10 yard batches and prefer to buy the trim in 20 to 30 yard lengths. As the portrait doesn't show what is happening at the hem (do I count as a true 16th century costuming geek since I knew who the subject of the portrait was immediately?) you will have to guess based on other Spanish potraits of the time and extrapolate. Since this is a Royal portrait, I tend to think tha the trim was used pretty extravagantly. Good luck on the jewelry! Karen Seamstrix -- Garden wrote: Hi, I'm feeling lazy, don't feel like getting out the tape measure, its 12:12am here in Australia - maybe one of you on the list has this info in your head - please don't go to any lengths - otherwise I should be the one doing the work - but approx. how much length of trim do you think I should get for a reproduction of this dress at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do you think the same trim is used throughout the whole dress, or maybe the tabs at the waist and shoulders are simply edged with gold? And where on earth would one find the jewellery? (or the money to get it :((! ) I've already purchased the cotton velvet and am presently making the undergarments. Regards, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EF7RCq019395 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EF5v2F009147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EF5q0U016362; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EF5mri016244 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2934 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 15:05:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EjExBc4gM/vex1Vkb0PmUgngY5O2Wejtpfnofgzcz9iojtZ7/n9xVQ0sbvIgyL4SSed8azMouABDBIkJ0+3Lh0XCwgK4S7IH2sYwpljEsqdbuCUHgB6TxdmLYvV6aqa8p/LfxUwvPgvyuLR3AnLSHrYU67B6v/4/+kjN+BXrSAE= ; Message-ID: <20050714150540.2932.qmail@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.171] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:05:40 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507141248.j6ECmDCm033305@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 455 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think there were Puritans, per se, in 1740. Does he mean 1640, perhaps? Or, if 1740, maybe he's referring to Presbyterian or some other Protestant Scots-Irish immigrants? -- Mara Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:10:49 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] 1740s characters To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20.48b8dad2.30073fc9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A friend of mine has been asked to get together some costumes for a short promotional film to show investors and others in order to get funding to do a whole film. He always comes to me for period consultation because he has never studied any period clothing or costuming or design. But he's bright and eager and learns fast. I come to consult you guys.... (snip) Any suggestions and insights...or inside info on the period or Puritans...is greatly appreciated. --------------------- http://www.knittingobsession.com - modern knitting stuff http://www.knittingobsession.blogspot.com http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:09:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EF9Xm4019423 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EF8roc009451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EF8qIw018603; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EF8lOQ018547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6EF4g0R008206 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:04:42 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D67FFD.8030408@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:08:45 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tunic terminology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets "T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EFICv3019672 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:18:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EFHcMO010468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFHY0L025796; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFHUp3025615 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0117.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.118]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7657331AA60 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42D681BD.4070405@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:16:13 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for picture of Frank Leslie's Lady's magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have found a nice drawing from Frank Leslie's Lady's magazine. But the picture is quite small and since I am using it for inspiration for my bustle dress, I wondered if someone has a bigger picture of it. Here is the one I found online. http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1870sleslies.gif I am making the dress from light purple cotton and a white and dark purple cooton plaid. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EFOJ1O019884 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EFNfZM011070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFNeqG030647; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFNZ3e030537 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.40 ([204.127.135.40]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2005071415233011200a8b06e>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:23:30 +0000 Received: from [72.255.31.174] by 204.127.135.40; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:23:28 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:23:28 +0000 Message-Id: <071420051523.21934.42D6837000036096000055AE216028074802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, A friend and I did a set of 1590s spanish court clothing for the King and Queen of the Midrealm a year or so and we went through easily 100 yards of trim. You could conservatively estimate 50 yards of trim for this dress and still not put as much trim on as you could. I have portraits of Spanish royalty on my website to give you some comparison to the portrait you referenced. Check out: http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/anneofaus.JPG http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/cathofaus.JPG http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/claraeugenia2.JPG http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/lizdevalois2.JPG Hope this helps, Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net -------------- Original message from Garden : -------------- > Hi, I'm feeling lazy, don't feel like getting out the tape measure, its > 12:12am here in Australia - maybe one of you on the list has this info > in your head - please don't go to any lengths - otherwise I should be > the one doing the work - but approx. how much length of trim do > you think I should get for a reproduction of this dress at > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do > you think the same trim is used throughout the whole dress, or maybe > the tabs at the waist and shoulders are simply edged with gold? And > where on earth would one find the jewellery? (or the money to get it > :((! ) I've already purchased the cotton velvet and am presently making > the undergarments. > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EFphaS020305 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EFpDTN013896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFpBLG053051; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFp4gW052943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt5z8-0008TQ-HS for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:50:50 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:50:50 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:50:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:50:06 -0600 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> <42D5F9AC.3090000@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yY5fV6UD5w1W4i4yLuoWtSEANA4= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press writes: > > Hey, my husband still wears the crew-necked white undershirt sticking > out of the shirt neck. 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Dijkstra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 11:56:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EFuTqQ020376 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:56:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EFtTIr014680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFtTwX057129; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f12.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EFtOsr056987 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:55:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507141509.j6EF8snD018633@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:55:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 15:55:19.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F66E360:01C5888C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Cynthia Virtue >I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets >"T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if >the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me? My understanding is (and it may be flawed of course) is that "T-tunic" has traditionally referred to the fold over cut and sew up the side, but otherwise unconstructed sort of tunic. When you start attaching sleeves, or sticking in gores, you are making a constructed garment. Pesonally, I'm not thrilled with the term T-tunic in the first place, but whatever. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 12:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EG46XY020496 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EG3gPk015816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EG3eIk064134; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EG3aNF064080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-184.sonic.net [209.148.113.184]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EG3YSv018807 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:03:35 -0700 Message-ID: <42D68CD8.2070007@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:03:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" References: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> <42D5F9AC.3090000@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought it was more usual to wear a tank undershirt and show a very small amount of upper chest, but I don't meddle in these things. You should see his sandals--he's had that pair since we first met (as college students) and he refuses to replace them. They look like archaeological finds. Luckily he only wears them to do yard work. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Robert Uhl wrote: >Lavolta Press writes: > > >>Hey, my husband still wears the crew-necked white undershirt sticking >>out of the shirt neck. >> >> > >That's wrong?!? I'd far rather show an undershirt than my chest... > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 12:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EGCrxN020624 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EGCHg5016676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EGCFPO071317; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:FQwxEEb1bQ9uinJMsek5r48XnP013q7/@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EGC9PO071245 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j6EGC44S025885 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from dci012034013054.discovery.com ([12.34.13.54]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57398.12.34.13.54.1121357528.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <42D68CD8.2070007@lavoltapress.com> References: <200507140321.j6E3LR5Y003975@net.indra.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714004147.05fa7e30@mail.earthlink.net> <42D5F9AC.3090000@lavoltapress.com> <42D68CD8.2070007@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Future clothing" From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple years back, my nephew had a crew neck undershirt showing in his open collar. We were about to do a family portrait, so I suggested he adjust it. I was informed that it was an intentional look. Better that than boxeer shprts showing, I guess! :-) -Carol > I thought it was more usual to wear a tank undershirt and show a very > small amount of upper chest, but I don't meddle in these things. > > You should see his sandals--he's had that pair since we first met (as > college students) and he refuses to replace them. They look like > archaeological finds. Luckily he only wears them to do yard work. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Robert Uhl wrote: > >>Lavolta Press writes: >> >> >>>Hey, my husband still wears the crew-necked white undershirt sticking >>>out of the shirt neck. >>> >>> >> >>That's wrong?!? I'd far rather show an undershirt than my chest... >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 12:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EGp3u8021251 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EGoVgv021014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EGoHST003478; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EGo9Z2003371 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Dt6uX-0004Cv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:49:48 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: >> From: Cynthia Virtue >> I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets >> "T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if >> the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me? > > > My understanding is (and it may be flawed of course) is that "T-tunic" > has traditionally referred to the fold over cut and sew up the side, but > otherwise unconstructed sort of tunic. When you start attaching > sleeves, or sticking in gores, you are making a constructed garment. > > Pesonally, I'm not thrilled with the term T-tunic in the first place, > but whatever. I've never understand the difference between "t-tunic" and "tunic". --Charlene -- America is addicted to wars of distraction. -- Barbara Ehrenreich _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EH7nWb021511 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EH7MZp022935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EH7JRU017732; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EH7EXJ017597 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005071417070801300aopfre>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:07:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:07 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: h-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Alen/ell? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Going through my copy of _Woven into the Earth_ with a calculator this time, since I still think in inches, not centimeters. Ostergard writes that the ell (alen) as referred to in the Gragas manuscript was about 19.29 inches -- or roughly 1/2 modern yard. I have heard elsewhere that the standard "ell" was closer to the full modern yard. Is there a good resource for historical units of measurement? Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:13:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EHDZmQ021592 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHCrN0023563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHClMF022296; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/Z/oHo8uZtZ3Fn7+GOgYktVFw+pqsz9DM@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHCbm9022122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6EHCdgs029060 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:39 -0500 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j6EHCd7p029058 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:12:39 -0500 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20050714171239.GF17661@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Future clothing trends? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Repling to part: My husband's place of employment is slowly swinging in the other direction--they just sent down a new rule that jeans and khakis are no longer acceptable dress during the week--and this is a cluster of radio stations, which normally tend to be quite casual. I did notice, though, that I have never seen the program director without a suit and tie. Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! Dianne --------------------------- Kind of sad that there are a lot of jobs that require an image to maintain, but do not provide the salary to maintain it! My friend is trying to get a job that will pay only $9/hr, and expect professional dress. When I lost my job, my husband's salary wouldn't have been enough to keep our house if his job required dress clothes and the money to maintain them. Maybe I'm wrong, but along with clothes there's the car you drive and you address. These things can easily cost more than your salary can afford. That's another part of the "image" people feel they need to maintain. One of my friends who works in the computer industry said once, "I wished the TechBubble would have stayed around long enough to get rid of the notion of professional dress once and for all." His job allowed him to wear free (computer conference swag) tshirts and shorts to work. He was a programmer and actually had to produce something that worked, rather than sell a product (where looks, including pure physical appearance is a big factor) or management where he sat in meetings all day with other people who didn't produce anything. I wonder if there is a trend that if a person is in a job that produces something tangible, they can dress more casually? The professional dressed ones are either managers, or sellers of the product, but don't produce anything. Another thing my husband has noted in the computer industry is those that dress nicer are often compensating for a lack of job skills (unless a dress code is enforced). Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:31:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EHVueg021886 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHVWPP025817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHVARb038405; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHUvMq038231 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E335D7DA for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714101840.035569b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:19:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question In-Reply-To: <1111.67.188.164.116.1121347727.squirrel@www.inreach.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <1111.67.188.164.116.1121347727.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:28 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Oooops! That last message wasn't supposed to go to the list. > >Sorry! > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" That's fine with me. I was about to start looking for something similar for my next Tudor gown ideas. It will be a bit before I can order and make anything, tho. But I am glad to know you have materials I am looking for. Thanks for posting the info. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EHW274021893 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:32:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHVXEm025826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHVEU4038458; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHUvvI038232 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DE45D829 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:29:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.a u> References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com> <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:14 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: > And where on earth would one find the jewellery? There is a company in England that makes pewter replicas of Tudor jewelry (and other jewelry things, spoons, collars, etc.), and he notes that he makes custom pieces as well. http://www.tudorjewels.com/ (for the historical images) http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ (to order the same) While it may not be exactly what you are looking for, some of the patterns appear similar, or he could make them for you. I have not ordered from him yet, but plan on doing so later this year when I have some more money. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EHfhUS022077 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHfFla026976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHf5jk046634; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHem37046325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt7gv-00024U-7w for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:40:09 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:40:09 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:40:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:39:18 -0600 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6/yv2qK382qa4jhxd5MetGMJy8I= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lauren Walker writes: > > Ostergard writes that the ell (alen) as referred to in the Gragas > manuscript was about 19.29 inches -- or roughly 1/2 modern yard. I > have heard elsewhere that the standard "ell" was closer to the full > modern yard. FWIW the definition of 'ell' with which I am familiar is exactly 1/2 yd. -- Robert Uhl Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with a seat missing, but it hurts. --Drebin, Naked Gun 2 1/2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 13:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EHpIHO022238 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHodb9027968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHoaih054940; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EHoTQg054754 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2866A3C947 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42D6A5DE.8020007@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:50:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future clothing trends? References: <20050714171239.GF17661@toysmakeuspowerful.com> In-Reply-To: <20050714171239.GF17661@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: > > I wonder if there is a trend that if a person is in a job that produces > something tangible, they can dress more casually? The professional dressed > ones are either managers, or sellers of the product, but don't produce anything. > What I've seen in recent years is that professional jobs where you interact with "clients" require more formal dress than jobs where your workgroup never meets anyone outside its own department. Clients can be people outside your department or building, depending on what service job you're in, as well as outside the company. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 14:03:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EI3VCm022446 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EI2v63029531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EI2t49065047; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EI2p5n064992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dt82O-0006vz-RB; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:02:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:02:20 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question References: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Garden : > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do OOh! I've never seen that painting before! Do you have more information about it? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 14:11:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EIB8b4022569 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:11:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EIAVEF030292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIAR0Q071150; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIAKxV071044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dt89x-00081a-RH; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:10:09 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20050714131009.2mr0j2y1o3y80ok4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:10:09 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Men in suits (was: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Carmen Beaudry : > > I disagree. I have yet to find a man, of whatever physique, who doesn't > look good in a suit. This includes a good friend who's at least 100 lbs > overweight. > Oh, yeah. I'll second that idea. My teen-ager wanted to buy his tux after his prom for that reason. He's also getting more of the guys in his youth choir at church to wear ties/jackets. Evidently, the other fellows are noticing the attention that he gets from the girls in his suit ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 14:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EIOV06022741 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EINhxs031649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EINci8081459; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EINTSF081342 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.210]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A3265262856 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c588a1$21e73580$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:23:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Østergaard is danish, and here we use the word alen. It is an old meassure comparallel to an ell. I once went to a lecture where Østergaard showed slides and told about the royal childrens burrials at Roskilde Cathedral. Very very interresting. She is a member of the danish textile history group. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Uhl" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? > Lauren Walker writes: >> >> Ostergard writes that the ell (alen) as referred to in the Gragas >> manuscript was about 19.29 inches -- or roughly 1/2 modern yard. I >> have heard elsewhere that the standard "ell" was closer to the full >> modern yard. > > FWIW the definition of 'ell' with which I am familiar is exactly 1/2 yd. > > -- > Robert Uhl > Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with a seat > missing, but it hurts. --Drebin, Naked Gun 2 1/2 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 14:39:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EId0Qm022916 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EIcMUC033049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:38:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIcKmc092777; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIcDhN092693 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.210]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 122D526282D for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c588a3$373e6550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net><42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net><42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> <026801c58868$3241da40$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:38:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi I can understand you would love to make this, but isnt it difficult to get the jewelry that goes with this fashion, i think about the big gold chains? They are very important accesories for this fashion? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] > >> something along these lines: >> > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOneZoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&view > Mode=1&item=11.15 >> > > Sigh..I love that gown. Absolutely love it. I want it. And there is no way > I > have time to make it before Pennsic. > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 14:43:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EIhK8K022987 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:43:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EIgX6f033442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIgXix095981; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIgTwB095918 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.210]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 74E4047FE8C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:42:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] velveteen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now, i have ben on this list for long, so please forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between velveteen and velvet? I only know the rayon velvet and cotton velvet. Did i miss something? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 15:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EJ1W3A023260 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:01:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EJ15n1035591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJ13E5010206; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EJ0wdJ010149 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-14493); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:00:58 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:00:57 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050714115519.053f5300@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:58:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:07 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >Going through my copy of _Woven into the Earth_ with a calculator this time, >since I still think in inches, not centimeters. Ostergard writes that the >ell (alen) as referred to in the Gragas manuscript was about 19.29 inches -- >or roughly 1/2 modern yard. I have heard elsewhere that the standard "ell" >was closer to the full modern yard. Is there a good resource for historical >units of measurement? >Thanks! >Lauren >-- >Lauren M. Walker >lauren.walker@comcast.net >-- >"One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of >Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to >train." -- Morihei Ueshiba There is no "standard ell" that is recognized in all countries, especially during these earlier periods. Depending upon your location (and this varied even within some countries), the ell could range from half a yard to around 1-1/4 yard. And it sometimes differed depending upon what was being measured. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 15:08:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EJ8MtN023368 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EJ7u5P036309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJ7sJ6015470; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f39.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJ7pAb015358 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:07:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507141800.j6EI0GqE062760@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:07:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 19:07:45.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[5167F2D0:01C588A7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Charlene Charette >I've never understand the difference between "t-tunic" and "tunic". Let's first establish what a "tunic" is: according to the Oxford Mnglish Dictionary and Middle English Dictionary, a Tunic (for the middle ages at least) is "A garment resembling a shirt or a gown, worn by both sexes among the Greeks and Romans (OED)", "In Old English and mediaeval times, a body garment or coat over which a loose mantle of cloak was worn. (OED)" and "A garment resembling a shirt or gown, worn alone or beneath a mantle, armor, etc. (MED)" In other words, it is a simple shirt/gown, worn next to the body, as opposed to the usual kirtles/gowns, etc, which are worn with a shirt/camisa under them, and stylistically similar to what people thought the romans and greeks wore. A "T-tunic." as I learned the term, was a modern term for a simple type of tunic cut from a wide bit of fabric, folded, then cut in the shape of a "T" and so there is minimal cutting and sewing. The term may refer to the shape it's cut from, or the fact they are as ubiquitous as t-shirts, or could be worn like t-shirts (all of which I've heard as -the- explanation. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 15:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EJJ5xP023559 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EJHm7n037226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJHjE5022897; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJHdaE022759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6EJDN0R010505 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:13:23 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D6BA47.7050808@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:17:27 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: > Let's first establish what a "tunic" is: according to the Oxford > Mnglish Dictionary and Middle English Dictionary, a Tunic (for the > middle ages at least) is "A garment resembling a shirt or a gown, worn > by both sexes among the Greeks and Romans (OED)", "In Old English and > mediaeval times, a body garment or coat over which a loose mantle of > cloak was worn. (OED)" and "A garment resembling a shirt or gown, worn > alone or beneath a mantle, armor, etc. (MED)" > > In other words, it is a simple shirt/gown, worn next to the body, as > opposed to the usual kirtles/gowns, etc, which are worn with a > shirt/camisa under them, Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. "a body garment or coat" seems to imply "tunic" could apply to both layers. Puzzling, cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 15:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EJRuFj023610 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EJRI3h038228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJR7kx030212; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJR180030066 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so271043nzd for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:26:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OfwJ84uqeA6d+y8Up7Xdn6xY/IyLT7OqjpqYuqyjDQ/jbQx4IPMTVrNAr22pGb0NmDaZu9lFbczN7fVcsRvRLBC8yXvq88yRpMENBcTB1SgKIQZML6egDTdr1EHtEQZRecB4QctpwPBnVbshkdlYjvfCHcPobPzopmxW3NH1prk= Received: by 10.36.47.5 with SMTP id u5mr592784nzu; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:26:56 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] In-Reply-To: <001e01c588a3$373e6550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> <42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> <026801c58868$3241da40$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> <001e01c588a3$373e6550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6EJR180030066 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You do often see the big gold chains with this fashion. Personally, I have not been able to find anything even remotely close other than "decorative chain" from the hardware store, and that does not have the right "look" to me. photos of extant jewelry: http://www.curiousfrau.com/Articles/jewelry.htm I'm currently trying for a middle class/Kampfollower portrayal... so might not have as much in the way of heavy gold jewelry. Also, I personally don't have the money to buy what I think will look "right." I'm *always* on the lookout, though. There are a couple of paintings with that style dress without as much in the way of chains: http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach45.html http://www.st-max.org/images/woodcuts/Kampfrau4.jpg http://www.uni-leipzig.de/ru/bilder/luther/cranac02.jpg -Irmgart On 7/14/05, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > I can understand you would love to make this, but isnt it difficult to get > the jewelry that goes with this fashion, i think about the big gold chains? > They are very important accesories for this fashion? > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianne and Greg" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] > > > > > >> something along these lines: > >> > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOneZoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&view > > Mode=1&item=11.15 > >> > > > > Sigh..I love that gown. Absolutely love it. I want it. And there is no way > > I > > have time to make it before Pennsic. > > > > Dianne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 15:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EJfcZY023723 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EJfAcS039800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJev8v041505; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EJeoKK041311 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 57315 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 19:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 19:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <42D6BFBB.4040303@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:40:43 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Young wrote: > > >> Robin Netherton wrote: >> >>> two books so far on the significance of the clothing descriptions >>> on Chaucer's general prologue to the Canterbury Tales, >> >> Would you have the citations handy for those works? Sounds >> fascinating! > > Laura Hodges, _Chaucer and Costume_ and _Chaucer and Clothing_. I'd > suggest you get them via library or ILL I live for ILL - thanks! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 17:29:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ELTsrM025299 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELRXrs054704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELROpT024303; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELRLlb024153 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:27:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (d32-79.rb.gh.centurytel.net[69.29.223.79]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005071421271511100otdh8e>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:27:15 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050714141211.020212f8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:27:12 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200507141508.j6EF8snC018633@net.indra.com> References: <200507141508.j6EF8snC018633@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: elizabethan dress trimm question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forgive me for being dense, but I know I've seen that portrait before. I just can't for the life of me remember who it is. Could someone ID it for me? And does anyone have a link to a larger version of the portrait? As for the yardage of trim required, my rule is to guestimate generously and then increase by 50%. I always end up using/needing more than I figured on to begin with. Julie At 08:08 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:14:07 +1000 >From: Garden >Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: > <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >Hi, I'm feeling lazy, don't feel like getting out the tape measure, its >12:12am here in Australia - maybe one of you on the list has this info >in your head - please don't go to any lengths - otherwise I should be >the one doing the work - but approx. how much length of trim do >you think I should get for a reproduction of this dress at >http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do >you think the same trim is used throughout the whole dress, or maybe >the tabs at the waist and shoulders are simply edged with gold? And >where on earth would one find the jewellery? (or the money to get it >:((! ) I've already purchased the cotton velvet and am presently making >the undergarments. >Regards, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 17:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ELhF4c025518 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:43:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELgZRl056262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELgSSS035942; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELgL3H035841 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A7A5D28A for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714143242.034a5670@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:42:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] velveteen In-Reply-To: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:42 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Now, i have ben on this list for long, so please forgive my ignorance but >what is the difference between velveteen and velvet? >I only know the rayon velvet and cotton velvet. Did i miss something? > >Bjarne Hi Bjarne, Taken from http://www.apparelsearch.com/glossary_v.htm velvet: silk, rayon, cotton, synthetics, and a little wool and worsted. Pile, made with an extra warp yarn. Mostly made with a plain back but some with a twill. Some are made with a silk pile and a rayon or cotton back. velveteen: a clothing fabric usually of cotton in twill or plain weaves made a short close weft pile in imitation of velvet. Woven with a extra filling yarn with either a plain or a twill back (twill back is the best). Around in my area, cotton velveteen at 45" is found at most Hancocks or Jo-Ann Fabrics, and sometime in Wal-Mart (which I don't buy from anymore, you get what you pay for). Cotton velvet is usually only found in upholstery stores like Home Fabrics or Harts for the Home, usually at a wider width of 54", and is much sturdier and usually with a little deeper pile. I just bought a yard of black cotton velvet to see how well it makes into a hat. I have yet to see all rayon velvet, as acetate velvet and other man-made materials being more common here for crafters. Silk/rayon velvet is a luxury item for me, being something I have to either travel great distances to buy (either the Bay area or LA), or buy online. hth, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 17:43:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ELhNar025521 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:43:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELgZ1w056261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELgTmw035945; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELgLuv035838 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914945D257 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714135925.034a7be8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] brocade / damask question In-Reply-To: <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.a u> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050712200237.030aa320@pop.surewest.net> <8B55FC55-F427-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:24 PM 7/13/2005, you wrote: >Also which is better/cheaper to buy, use and sew - linen/silk or >linen/wool blend? Hi Aylwen, Hmmmm... I've never thought of that question. Thanks for asking it. My usual thought is what do I want the fabric of my Elizabethans to look like, then go from there. As in, do I want it to be a velvet, wool or silk/satin look? Is it one color fabric, or do I want to use a something visually textured (as in brocade or damask)? My first reaction is to go with cotton velvet, maybe wool, because that's what I can find locally. I've only recently been able to afford doing anything in real linen or silks, let alone blends, and then I have to order those (and I hate waiting for them to arrive). I want to do a gown in hemp/silk blend or a cotton/silk blend to get more weight to the silk, yet the look of silk satin, but that's for next year when my body size returns to normal. What I've seen tho' of linen/silk or linen/wool blends tend to look visually coarse, not at all as nice as an all wool or all silk fabric. But I can't give advice on how well either is to sew up or wear. If you decide to take the plunge on the blends, please share your experiences with us. I always like to hear of others experiences with fabric (sometimes I think I am a fabric junkie, not just a sewing junkie). Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 17:47:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ELlGUh025583 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:47:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELkila056609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELkeqV039003; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELkXLR038857 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNEMGYIS096WBGR@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:46:26 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNEMGNM8I95X8MD@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:46:25 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:48:20 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D6DDA4.5020405@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: >> From: Cynthia Virtue >> I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets >> "T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if >> the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me? > > > My understanding is (and it may be flawed of course) is that "T-tunic" > has traditionally referred to the fold over cut and sew up the side, > but otherwise unconstructed sort of tunic. When you start attaching > sleeves, or sticking in gores, you are making a constructed garment. > > Pesonally, I'm not thrilled with the term T-tunic in the first place, > but whatever. Around here we tend to use "t-tunic" for a simple gored and gusseted model. The fold-over-and-cut-out model is _very_ uncommon here. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 17:56:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ELu09Z025706 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELs8fL057317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELr2Vp043748; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELqjGs043582 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNEUA8OZK98A9FD@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:52:44 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNEU8SRP695X9PA@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:52:42 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:54:37 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology In-reply-to: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Charlene Charette wrote: >> My understanding is (and it may be flawed of course) is that >> "T-tunic" has traditionally referred to the fold over cut and sew up >> the side, but otherwise unconstructed sort of tunic. When you start >> attaching sleeves, or sticking in gores, you are making a constructed >> garment. >> >> Pesonally, I'm not thrilled with the term T-tunic in the first place, >> but whatever. > > People here practically use "t-tunic" as a techinical term. It means "a basic tunic with a rectangular front and back, unshaped sleeve heads, small square gussets at the armpit and two-piece gores in the side-seam." Great shorthand when you want to use that as a starting pount for descriding something -- ie, "it's just like a t-tunic only it has additional gores at the cente front and back" etc. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 18:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EM3ehc025825 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:03:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EM23k9058224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EM22nE050539; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EM1vBU050492 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNF5O9X9C98A9FD@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:01:55 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNF5MUK2W95X9PA@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:01:53 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:03:48 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology In-reply-to: <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D6E144.6070009@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Adele de Maisieres wrote: > pount for descriding something I'm clearly having one of those days. But I'd like to define the word "descride" as-- v.t. to describe dismissively or unkindly. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 18:03:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EM3iDW025828 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ELvdLX057717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELvYvP047110; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ELvTv1047042 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNF05RWJK98A9FD@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:57:28 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNF047RSA95X9PA@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:57:26 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:59:21 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] velveteen In-reply-to: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D6E039.3090805@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Now, i have ben on this list for long, so please forgive my ignorance > but what is the difference between velveteen and velvet? > I only know the rayon velvet and cotton velvet. Did i miss something? Oo, oo! Pick me! I know this one! In velvet, the pile is formed from a supplemental warp. In velveteen, it's formed from a supplemental weft. So it's a difference in weave rather than in fibre. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 18:12:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6EMCtLG025942 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EMBHvF059174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EMBFc4057200; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EMBAQP057162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6EM750R014235 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D6E2FD.10807@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:11:09 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology References: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Adele de Maisieres wrote: > People here practically use "t-tunic" as a techinical term. It means > "a basic tunic with a rectangular front and back, unshaped sleeve heads, > small square gussets at the armpit and two-piece gores in the > side-seam." Great shorthand when you want to use that as a starting > pount for descriding something -- ie, "it's just like a t-tunic only it > has additional gores at the cente front and back" etc. Interesting -- to me, it's not really a proper tunic without center front and back gores. Otherwise that's a great description. Where's "here?" NZ on your email means New Zealand, I'd guess? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 19:37:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ENbTGN027135 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ENaeJW067234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ENabie011493; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.234]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6ENaYNI011427 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36382 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2005 23:36:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M5YqHSYsOQHAZIYR6Tw6ek1tpGMf66T8uTUQhGoHr7sU0I055Oz4J7HqOr4zYUdmqx5TJrjQfP2hs6ga4F1hon2KlHx/IvU5mTMqtxrwJVzXgC/Muu1ZZzS2IjXRl+1sbzwUQQ7ve/YDr/2sqxJHo77J2pmMXH+TIc5zHEoRx08= ; Message-ID: <20050714233628.36380.qmail@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.66.101.203] by web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:28 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42D5C2ED.3040800@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > hums "Every girl's crazy for a sharp dressed man...." --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:12:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1C6fC028601 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1BVqi074356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1BP3n056961; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1BLwB056927 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m239.in-tch.com [216.166.191.239]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6F15fp13650 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:17:14 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's more of an issue with me, as well, but in my case, it's more of a bust issue than tummy, which I take care of with gores. When I wrote that this morning, what I was picturing was not only all the folk I know in the SCA who wear "I don't give a d@mn if it's old and grody, you can't make me wear anything else" tee tunics, but also all the larger people who seem to have bought into the tunic-or-houpe-as-medieval-equivalent-to-a-muumuu, when I know, from personal experience, that fit is just as important for those of us at the larger end of the bodily bell curve as it is for those who are otherwise blessed, if not more so! I'd like to add that I know a variety of SCA people, mostly guys, who wear nicely fitting tunics or cotes, and their heights and weights vary significantly, but they all still look good. It's the fit, and the right materials (natural fibers so ROCK!). --sue J Schueller wrote: > >> (Nothing against tee tunics, mind you, or any of the style-cousins, >> but many of the ones I've seen are old, sloppy, and badly-fitting. >> The nicely-fitting ones have just as much Yum! factor as other >> clothing styles. ;oD) >> --sue > > > I do seem to have MORE trouble getting a t-tunic to fit right then > getting a fitted bodice to fit right though. I have lots of trouble with > the tummy bigness in relation to the shoulders. (re my questions of > about a month ago! ) > > jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:15:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1FMC5028639 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:15:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1ExPH074562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1ExBh058577; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1EtXt058524 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050715011449015001u7obe>; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:14:49 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050714115519.053f5300@pop.surewest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Joan Jurancich > > There is no "standard ell" that is recognized in all countries, > especially during these earlier periods. Depending upon your > location (and this varied even within some countries), the ell could > range from half a yard to around 1-1/4 yard. And it sometimes > differed depending upon what was being measured. Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for comparison and/or reference? You know, "English ell, 15th century, 1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5 modern inches," etc.? Thanks again, Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1NacF028816 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1NHvC075127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1NGMn062169; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1NAdR062135 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNM74IMF4989OHR@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:23:07 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNM72WFH495WHAC@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:23:05 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:25:00 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-reply-to: <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > It's more of an issue with me, as well, but in my case, it's more of a > bust issue than tummy, which I take care of with gores. > When I wrote that this morning, what I was picturing was not only all > the folk I know in the SCA who wear "I don't give a d@mn if it's old > and grody, you can't make me wear anything else" tee tunics, but also > all the larger people who seem to have bought into the > tunic-or-houpe-as-medieval-equivalent-to-a-muumuu, when I know, from > personal experience, that fit is just as important for those of us at > the larger end of the bodily bell curve as it is for those who are > otherwise blessed, if not more so! Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat SCAdian woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be a wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. > > I'd like to add that I know a variety of SCA people, mostly guys, who > wear nicely fitting tunics or cotes, and their heights and weights > vary significantly, but they all still look good. It's the fit, and > the right materials (natural fibers so ROCK!). > Absolutely! -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:32:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1WGKO028953 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1VZwt075793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1VZoq066041; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1VV3i066012 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m239.in-tch.com [216.166.191.239]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6F1Psp17378 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D71356.4090403@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:37:26 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future clothing trends? References: <20050714171239.GF17661@toysmakeuspowerful.com> In-Reply-To: <20050714171239.GF17661@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We get away with casualness in my company for several reasons, a couple of which are: 1. Montana, as a whole, is a much more casual state than many others. Even the governor is known to wear jeans on occasion. 2. My department deals mostly with data, and virtually no face-to-face interactions with clients (that's what the Implementation Dept is for ...they're the ones who go out to districts and do training, or train in-house, and you can definitely tell when it's happening, because they all sprout dress pants and ties). 3. My particular job (as a Data/project manager) involves a fair amount of client contact, but again, it's not face-to-face. I need to know client-speak, etc., but they don't have a clue as to what I look like, nor do I, they. Works okay with me, especially on hot summer days like this, when the air conditioning isn't working as well as it should, and the temp inside the building is somewhere in the 80's. Definitely easier to deal with if I'm not forced into a suit and pantyhose.... --Sue saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com wrote: > I wonder if there is a trend that if a person is in a job that produces > something tangible, they can dress more casually? The professional dressed > ones are either managers, or sellers of the product, but don't produce anything. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:34:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1YiPe028990 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:34:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1YQ7T076005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1YQKB067399; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1YNmK067331 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29440 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:54:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:54:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lauren Walker wrote: > Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there > anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for > comparison and/or reference? You know, "English ell, 15th century, > 1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5 modern inches," > etc.? I doubt you'll find anything that comprehensive. Sometimes measurements varied by city, and I wouldn't place bets on them being standard over the course of a century. What you will find is references to specific times and places. I believe, for example, that the facsimile edition of Alcega's pattern book has some discussion of the ell lengths at that time and place (late 16th c. Spain) to help you make sense of the patterns. If I needed this information, I'd start hunting through literature on trade and guild regulations in the place and time of interest -- e.g. if I were studying account books from 1362 London that included fabric orders of ells, I'd want to know what regulations applied at that period in that locale. Where to look for that? I am sure there is a body of literature out there on this, but it's just a little ways out of my field. I do have contact with some people who do work in trade and economics, and truth is, if I needed to know this, I'd probably call one of them, who could probably know just which reference book to pull off the shelf. Assuming it was for the right period and country for their expertise! I do see citations like this on a fairly regular basis -- a few weeks ago I edited an article comparing cloth production in various French cities that had to translate the recorded production levels to a consistent rate ... let's see, 840 Flemish ells equalled about 679 Champagne ells or 640 modern yards, in that particular case. So you can see there was a lot of variation. Among her citations were John Munro, "Textile Technology," in The Dictionary of the Middle Ages, ed. Joseph R. Strayer (New York: Scribner, 1988) and Patrick Chorley, "The Cloth Exports of Flanders and Northern France During the Thirteenth Century: A Luxury Trade?" Economic History Review, new series 40 (1987): 349-79. She probably got her particular ell ratios from one of those. In turn, the article she used might have cited either another paper or a primary source. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 21:52:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F1qLs5029237 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F1poqF077279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1pmeV075246; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1phsa075178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F3F65h023736 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:15:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:51:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507142151.36570.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 July 2005 2:51 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! > > Men have to be a little on the thin side for a suit to look that > good. Suits bulk out the man with a good bathing-suit-physique, and he > looks, well, bulky. There's some truth to that. In general, suits look best on guys with less than perfect figures; they give definition and bulk to the skinny, and conceal potbellies and other flab-related flaws. But muscular men tend to have problems with wearing them unless they're tailored to perfection. My husband is convinced that suits were designed to make men who work with their bodies (and thus have the muscle to prove it) look awkward, and he may have a point. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 14 23:47:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F3lNLh031053 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F3kk0h087199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F3kig9034775; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F3kce4034692 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050715034632.PBCH2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:46:32 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.170.74]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050715034632.MQAB1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:46:32 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.15]); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:46:32 +1200 Message-ID: <00a101c588ef$ca8f2ff0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:46:31 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do > > OOh! I've never seen that painting before! Do you have more information > about it? http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/main.htm Scroll down, just thought it owuld be nice to show a comparisson between it and other examples of Spanish fashion. I found it via the virtual tour on the museum site it is actually on. In the virtual tour it was an amzing magenta colour, which is why we must always be careful about colour unless one has seen an item in person. In outdoor light.. which let's face it is not going to happen very often;) If it's familiar, it appears in black and white in Patterns of Fashion with different attribution. As for jewellery, I've had to cobble mine from various sources (brass filigree diamonds cut down and layered with other finding for brooches and two plaque belts for the girdle and carcanet: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Amount of trim, I always guesstimate, I know my measurements pretty well now to say for this example: two limes waist to floor, plus 10cm extra just in case, 3m hem is usual, four times arm length, four times neck to waist plus extra for the horizontal arm guards. I think the wider trim is composed of narrow braid which is used also for the tabs. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.15/49 - Release Date: 14/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 00:35:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F4ZllN032717 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6F4ZHcj090543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F4ZDWB055677; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F4Z8m8055638 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-0-56.s56.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) (66.44.0.56) by smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2005 00:35:04 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,291,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="62330454:sNHT5739258460" Message-ID: <42D73CE8.2000707@erols.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:34:48 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO An interesting book on this subject is "Uniforms: Why We Are What We Wear", by Paul Fussell, Mariner Books, 2002. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 06:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FAo4wd005793 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FAnZfX026707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FAnVEn005717; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FAnRx6005688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6FAjK0R018996 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:45:20 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D794B5.7030600@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:49:25 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat SCAdian > woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more > modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be a > wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. What are the particular fitting problems you see? Might be useful to point them out specifically. My biggest annoyance is people putting the armscye halfway down their upper arm. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 08:48:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FCm5Zc009424 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:48:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FClLRG034178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FClDdQ055972; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FCl9dT055932 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m79.in-tch.com [216.166.191.79]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6FCfTp12023 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D7B1AF.903@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:53:03 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> <42D794B5.7030600@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42D794B5.7030600@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's more likely to be a complete *lack* of fitting, at least with the folks wearing problem tunics that I've seen. It's as if people think tunic, and equate that with a shapeless potato sack, or an over-sized equivalent of a mundane tee shirt. Seems to be more prevalent, or perhaps more noticeable, on larger people. And being one, myself, I sometimes wonder how much of *that* is a combination of lack of sewing experience combined with years of mundane/modern experience with ill-fitting off-the-rack clothing. ;-( And, of course, having the wrong fabrics (or less-than-appropriate fabrics) doesn't help any, either. The other too-large/unfitted thing that I occasionally see is a strong tendency to using a houpelande without any kind of supportive underlayer (kirtle, gown, cote, whatever). Looks like a big, sloppy tent on just about anyone of any size in that instance. And speaking of armscyes, if I'm not careful, and do some moderate tweaking of my body-fabric, I end up with the armscyes on my tunics and rectangularly-constructed garments down around my *elbows.* I am exceedingly large busted, and end up with *all* kinds of extra fabric coming off my shoulders that was needed just below to cover the bust. (And yeah, I know all about underarms gussets . They only help so much!) I finally learned when, working on a shift to go with a 16th century Flemish outfit, and cross-referencing with some of my 18th c. stuff in books, that I could carefully remove slanted wedges on the sides of my body piece(s) from front underarm up over the shoulder to back underarm, and the finished result not only fitted *much, much* better, but the slanting was completely invisible unless you laid the finished garment down and looked for it. Although I suppose it would also show slightly if the garment fabric were striped. It's a solution, though, that your average non-costuming joe might not think of. --Sue Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Adele de Maisieres wrote: > >> Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat >> SCAdian woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more >> modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be a >> wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. > > > What are the particular fitting problems you see? Might be useful to > point them out specifically. My biggest annoyance is people putting the > armscye halfway down their upper arm. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 09:22:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FDMZqq010106 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:22:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FDLm0N036878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FDLkUS073042; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FDLjag072995 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so353125nzh for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ViBNZIIO1u8cRCq67W1qwhCHWYqKm3QytC1vWY/S/idtDpr9MkWQvnkJnAxEgWYhaKsJ59xcL+8hl4gVrqlHYBAApUi5fYF4alNHREiVNA2OwukJGMAw3skR8l2nPOWIvJ9MbqLCRz9UeJP9xtAQISLGoig0+xq815yxfWNraIw= Received: by 10.36.119.17 with SMTP id r17mr1237466nzc; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:21:39 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-Reply-To: <42D7B1AF.903@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> <42D794B5.7030600@thibault.org> <42D7B1AF.903@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6FDLjag072995 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue (and other large busted ladies out there!) Here's a picture of my one and only tunic. It's linen, I need a better undergarment (is a kind of old cotton bra... it was ~95 degrees and at an outside demo from 10am to 6pm) http://pics.livejournal.com/thalionar/pic/0003rrct/g10 One of the things I do (and I saw this *somewhere* with some sort of documentation, but can't find it now!) is make the main panels (front and back) the width of my shoulders, then make flat topped gores that go from my armpits (where my chest starts to become "breast") and goes all the way to the hem. You can see the line of the gore going over the curve of my breast. I then have a triangular shaped gusset at the top of the gore that goes down the arm to about the elbow, and the sleeve is tapered from my elbow to my wrist (well, on this one, actually tapered to about my fingertips as I keep forgetting when I'm not wearing it to trim the sleeve to length). As you can see, the armscye is only about an inch down onto my shoulder. If I'd had more fabric, I would have done center front and back gores. -Irmgart On 7/15/05, Sue Clemenger wrote: > It's more likely to be a complete *lack* of fitting, at least with the > folks wearing problem tunics that I've seen. It's as if people think > tunic, and equate that with a shapeless potato sack, or an over-sized > equivalent of a mundane tee shirt. Seems to be more prevalent, or > perhaps more noticeable, on larger people. And being one, myself, I > sometimes wonder how much of *that* is a combination of lack of sewing > experience combined with years of mundane/modern experience with > ill-fitting off-the-rack clothing. ;-( And, of course, having the wrong > fabrics (or less-than-appropriate fabrics) doesn't help any, either. > The other too-large/unfitted thing that I occasionally see is a strong > tendency to using a houpelande without any kind of supportive underlayer > (kirtle, gown, cote, whatever). Looks like a big, sloppy tent on just > about anyone of any size in that instance. > > And speaking of armscyes, if I'm not careful, and do some moderate > tweaking of my body-fabric, I end up with the armscyes on my tunics and > rectangularly-constructed garments down around my *elbows.* I am > exceedingly large busted, and end up with *all* kinds of extra fabric > coming off my shoulders that was needed just below to cover the bust. > (And yeah, I know all about underarms gussets . They only help so > much!) I finally learned when, working on a shift to go with a 16th > century Flemish outfit, and cross-referencing with some of my 18th c. > stuff in books, that I could carefully remove slanted wedges on the > sides of my body piece(s) from front underarm up over the shoulder to > back underarm, and the finished result not only fitted *much, much* > better, but the slanting was completely invisible unless you laid the > finished garment down and looked for it. Although I suppose it would > also show slightly if the garment fabric were striped. It's a solution, > though, that your average non-costuming joe might not think of. > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 11:34:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FFYm7P012859 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FFXxxo049928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FFXtN9056980; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FFXmxX056870 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [24.39.235.120] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A67C9E014E; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <42D7D71C.7030209@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:32:44 -0400 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Workwoman's Guide (English, 1838)has an equivalency chart which includes French and English ells, which are larger than a yard: 2.25 inches make 1 nail 4 nails make 1 quarter 4 quarters make 1 yard 5 quarters make 1 English ell 6 quarters make 1 French ell Anne -- Anne Dealy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 13:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FHkIgF015709 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FHjSds064145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FHioUQ064212; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FHStPB052257 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200507151728410140032c5le>; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:28:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:28:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell? From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Robin, Thank you for the ell info cites. I have a lot of Munro's stuff -- and am mapping out my winter research plans, so these will go on the bibliography. Right now the examples I've found and been given in response to this query have given me enough to begin -- my first step is to get a handle on the scope of variation, then narrow down to times and places relevant to my bigger project and hunt the likely suspects there. Thanks again! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 16:46:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FKkM2s018277 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FKjTF8085097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FKjErb096281; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FKj8jb096215 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7D851788 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050715134253.035613b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:45:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <00a101c588ef$ca8f2ff0$0301010a@michaela> References: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com> <00a101c588ef$ca8f2ff0$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:46 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >As for jewellery, I've had to cobble mine from various sources (brass >filigree diamonds cut down and layered with other finding for brooches and >two plaque belts for the girdle and carcanet: >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Hi Michaela, I remember when you posted about the jewelry some time ago. I really liked what you did. I've been wanting to do something similar to your jewelry for my Tudor project, but all I can seem to find are just the flat brass findings. That just doesn't give me the "weight" of the gold jewelry seen in the paintings. Where did you find the other findings that you used to give the jewelry a richer feel? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:38:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLc0ON019019 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:38:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLbat2090632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLbXRZ033690; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIlurj000276 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.210]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 197E05EE03F for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003501c588a4$93d41110$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20.48b8dad2.30073fc9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740s characters Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:48:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I think your ideas are brilliant. I dont want to make any changes, but only say that your mens jackets could be buttoned in the waist. (This would give the wearer's a more oldfashioned look) and just because they are puritans as you say. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1740s characters >A friend of mine has been asked to get together some costumes for a short > promotional film to show investors and others in order to get funding to > do a > whole film. He always comes to me for period consultation because he has > never > studied any period clothing or costuming or design. But he's bright and > eager > and learns fast. I come to consult you guys.... > > Anyway, I haven't seen a script or anything but apparently the cast > includes > 2 men, a son and father I think, who are Puritans in Ireland getting > ready > to go to the new world. There is also a Catholic servant girl. It is the > 1740s. > > Obviously things need to look good and interesting....and convincing. > We're > trying to sell the thing, right? > > I thought the men would be in well made fine clothes in dark colors > [wool] > devoid of trim. Nice but not flashy buttons...perhaps of the coat fabric > or > matching,certainly analogous, in coloring, and button holes [uncut] being > the > only decorations. The silhouette should be reasonably fashionable I > think...they aren't poor. So the coat skirts would be full with fairly > large cuffs, no > collar. The waistcoats kinda long and buttoned high. No frills on the > shirt...but a stock [right?]. Plain stockings [dark?] and buckled shoes. > Could I get > away with a coat buttoning? In the 1740s, the coats' CF don't curve over > the > breast do they? They are straight. > > The men will most likely be rented. Any suggestions on where to go before > we > just call Western Costume or something? > > The girl [which I may make for my friend] I want to put in a jacket and > petticoat. I'd do a simple gown...but the fabric I want to use is only a > 4 yard > piece. It's a cotton that is dark dark OD green...unevenly dyed...with a > sprig > with leaves printed all over in dark grey. Looks blockprinted. It'd make > a > great jacket with some modest skirts and laced up CF. I need some > instructions > on how to do a single lace. A dark petticoat and a pinner apron. A fichu > should fill in....in a very modest way, the neckline. A linen cap...maybe > one of > those that has wide ties that go behind the ears and under the chin. > She's > not Puritan remember so maybe line the jacket with brick red...a glimpse > of > color. The apron shouldn't be white either I think. Maybe out and out > beige or > brown. Striped? Like ticking? > > What do y'all think? Any interesting details I might add to the men or > girl > you can think of? Like I said....haven't seen a script. Maybe it will > suggest > some good details...like scissors or keys on hanging from the girls > waist...y'know, that kind of thing. > > Any suggestions and insights...or inside info on the period or > Puritans...is > greatly appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:38:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLcjZ5019035 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:38:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLcJiX090686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLcEx6034251; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EIqk3V003819 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.210]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A6FE447FEA9 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003a01c588a5$412a74d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net><01c801c587cb$11e9c110$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> <42D5C2ED.3040800@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:52:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I think perhaps one of the reasons men dont want to stand out in fashion is because they are afraid that it would give them a gayish image. This is one of the major reasons today i think. 50 years ago it was not the case i think because then gay people still lived in their closets. Back in time, i dont think that the wife would go with her husband to his tailor to make choises for him. The tailor would have ben his guide! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Schueller" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) > >>Does anyone else find a man in a well-fitted suit drop-dead sexy? Rarr! >> >>Dianne >> > Yes, and i keep trying to convice my husband tio wear that stuff, but he > says since he put on the years to get a phd, he does not have to wear > that, and so i have to subsite on him in khakies :( > > Now, to bring this back onto a historical note, I have a thought question. > I was talking to some guys at work (older) and they siad that they had > never bought cloths for themselfs, their wifes had always boght their > clothes. > So, how much of what guys wore over the centries has been what they wanted > to wear, and how much of it was chosen by thier womanfolks? > > A;sp. it seems like many modern guys dislike "dressing up" per say (say > tux and such) and the popular image is that women like to dress up more > then guys. has this always been the popular image? > > jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:39:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLdCGj019048 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:39:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLcX0C090751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLcWjB034498; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EJ4jCs013080 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-11030); Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:04:45 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:04:45 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050714115937.053f0bc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:02:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Velvet vs. velveteen, was Re: [h-cost] velveteen In-Reply-To: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002e01c588a3$d0e4a7a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:42 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Now, i have ben on this list for long, so please forgive my >ignorance but what is the difference between velveteen and velvet? >I only know the rayon velvet and cotton velvet. Did i miss something? > >Bjarne The technical (weaving) difference between velvet and velveteen is that the velvet pile is made with extra warp threads while the velveteen pile is made with extra weft threads. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:39:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLdQb6019057 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLd66q090814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLd2W0034920; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f30.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EJu3I6053535 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:55:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507141941.j6EJewnY041547@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:55:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 19:55:58.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D7CD8E0:01C588AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/978/Thu Jul 14 05:37:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Cynthia Virtue >Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't >worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. "a body garment or >coat" seems to imply "tunic" could apply to both layers. I think we're interpretting what the "body" applies to "alone", or 'garment or coat" equally. You may well be right, I don't know. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLf8YJ019096 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:41:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLegPR091055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLegYh036405; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EMLnu1064136 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQNFU98CZK95X7BJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:44 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQNFU8XDK895X6VU@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:23:38 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology In-reply-to: <42D6E2FD.10807@thibault.org> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D6E5EA.6090104@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <42D697AC.4060600@earthlink.net> <42D6DF1D.1020001@paradise.net.nz> <42D6E2FD.10807@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Adele de Maisieres wrote: > >> People here practically use "t-tunic" as a techinical term. It >> means "a basic tunic with a rectangular front and back, unshaped >> sleeve heads, small square gussets at the armpit and two-piece gores >> in the side-seam." Great shorthand when you want to use that as a >> starting pount for descriding something -- ie, "it's just like a >> t-tunic only it has additional gores at the cente front and back" etc. > > > Interesting -- to me, it's not really a proper tunic without center > front and back gores. Otherwise that's a great description. > > Where's "here?" NZ on your email means New Zealand, I'd guess? > Yup, Christchurch, New Zealand. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLfDcQ019099 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:41:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLeruC091087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLerhP036593; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-03.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6EMfdMs078415 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 32100 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2005 22:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.0.28) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Jul 2005 22:41:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:48:47 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: <7058A150-F4B9-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The picture is on my renaissance dress diary page and I've linked to from http://www.flg.es/ficha.asp?ID=8486 and unfortunately its the only picture I can find. Janet Arnold has it in black and white in her book. Cheers, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:43:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLh0ZP019141 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:43:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLgcg7091319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLgWHu037981; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1dh0g069667 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m239.in-tch.com [216.166.191.239]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6F1Y5p19925 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D71542.60008@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:45:38 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <42D46CB9.4050508@dandy.net> <42D534B0.1000102@reddawn.net> <026801c58868$3241da40$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> <001e01c588a3$373e6550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just an idea, but you might be able to find large-linked gold chains at jewelers/merchants who cater to SCA customers. They're used as a symbol of rank for members of the Chivalry (Knights or Masters-at-Arms). I know there are a variety of them online, although I don't really purchase much. If you like, I could ask on a couple of sca-specific lists, though. --sue Irmgart wrote: > You do often see the big gold chains with this fashion. Personally, I > have not been able to find anything even remotely close other than > "decorative chain" from the hardware store, and that does not have the > right "look" to me. > > photos of extant jewelry: > http://www.curiousfrau.com/Articles/jewelry.htm > > I'm currently trying for a middle class/Kampfollower portrayal... so > might not have as much in the way of heavy gold jewelry. > > Also, I personally don't have the money to buy what I think will look > "right." I'm *always* on the lookout, though. > > There are a couple of paintings with that style dress without as much > in the way of chains: > > http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach45.html > http://www.st-max.org/images/woodcuts/Kampfrau4.jpg > http://www.uni-leipzig.de/ru/bilder/luther/cranac02.jpg > > -Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:43:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLho7A019158 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:43:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLhNVU091439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLhL7n038582; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1kXld072691 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJN00KKUBLEW9F4@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:46:38 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Fitting t-tunics was:Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) In-reply-to: <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D7157E.8020106@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One website that i would love to do (when i have the fitting ability) is do a web site with various people and show the first fit of a t-tunic, and then how it looks as one changes each measurement to get a great fitting tunic. can you tell that i am a math teacher (methodical, methodical, and methodical) \Sue Clemenger wrote: > It's more of an issue with me, as well, but in my case, it's more of a > bust issue than tummy, which I take care of with gores. > When I wrote that this morning, what I was picturing was not only all > the folk I know in the SCA who wear "I don't give a d@mn if it's old > and grody, you can't make me wear anything else" tee tunics, but also > all the larger people who seem to have bought into the > tunic-or-houpe-as-medieval-equivalent-to-a-muumuu, when I know, from > personal experience, that fit is just as important for those of us at > the larger end of the bodily bell curve as it is for those who are > otherwise blessed, if not more so! > I'd like to add that I know a variety of SCA people, mostly guys, who > wear nicely fitting tunics or cotes, and their heights and weights > vary significantly, but they all still look good. It's the fit, and > the right materials (natural fibers so ROCK!). > --sue > > J Schueller wrote: > >> >>> (Nothing against tee tunics, mind you, or any of the style-cousins, >>> but many of the ones I've seen are old, sloppy, and badly-fitting. >>> The nicely-fitting ones have just as much Yum! factor as other >>> clothing styles. ;oD) >>> --sue >> >> >> >> I do seem to have MORE trouble getting a t-tunic to fit right then >> getting a fitted bodice to fit right though. I have lots of trouble >> with the tummy bigness in relation to the shoulders. (re my questions >> of about a month ago! ) >> >> jordana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:44:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLiN2F019169 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLhq8Z091508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLhoap038952; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F1xJol081685 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.52] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtFTy-0007QN-HZ for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:59:18 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XlIJAMGf0VCOgTK1o/p3mSYg8/WVCZergF+z1hIVAt1K6vK2PTvDjeD53QQs9NRB; Message-ID: <02ef01c588e0$d72c1750$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net><4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <200507142151.36570.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:59:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd487c9cadacddf5fbbe676299e8c1a76eb0b07bc47b65cfebd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.52 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In general, suits look best on guys with less than perfect figures; they > give definition and bulk to the skinny, and conceal potbellies and other > flab-related flaws. But muscular men tend to have problems with wearing > them > unless they're tailored to perfection. My husband is convinced that suits > were designed to make men who work with their bodies (and thus have the > muscle to prove it) look awkward, and he may have a point. > -- > Cathy Raymond I don't think anyone looks good in a suit that doesn't fit. There are a very few men who can walk into a store and buy off the rack; all the rest have to have them tailored. The best suit my husband ever had was the one he had tailor made in London when he was in the Army, and he most certainly was in great shape then (and not bad now). Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:44:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLiPZx019172 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:44:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLhxng091546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLhx76039089; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F2xArO009485 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC045511C0 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714193642.035b2dd0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:57:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:25 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat SCAdian >woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more >modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be a >wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. As someone who's had to relearn a few things about personal fashion... I have come to realize personally that such large garments are an attempt, at least by me, to hide who I was inside by hiding behind the oversized garments I wore on the outside. It had nothing to do with fit, but personal body image and a lack of self esteem. I recently made a modern garment that I thought would look attractive, and I am almost finished with it. But because my self esteem has returned, I realized when I put the garment on for fitting that I was wearing another shapeless shirt, and that I didn't want to hide myself anymore. So now it is in the closet awaiting the final collar facing and buttons, and is now unwanted. I will probably eBay it to someone else if I can finish it. Mind you, I know fitted garments. I wear fitted bodices in my Tudor and Elizabethan gowns. I've enjoyed fitted peasant bodices as well. But those are "costumes" in that I am playing dress up and the character I put on isn't "me", while modern garments have to reflect the real me, who I am inside. Other thought I have on your statement, perhaps we need to try and educate those people? Take bras for example, I had to train my best friend when we were both younger that her skimpy, thin, no support bras were bad for her posture, looks, and even the amount of breast tissue her bras were *not* holding. It wasn't until I got her into a good department store, and had her properly fitted in a well supporting bra, did she even begin to realize what was right, and where she had gone so very wrong. It really perked her up, both in figure and mentally. However, I am also all to aware that some people just either don't want to be educated, or ignore any advice for who knows what reason. There was one lady I have in mind who asked me two years ago for various advice on making a well fitted garment for her character (she was supposedly portraying something comparable to a Countess). As of last fall she still was wearing the frumpy muu-muu bag dress which she has worn for a year prior to asking my advice. I understand she still wears that same "dress", because she's so busy making everyone else's garb. However, she's the leader of her group... if she doesn't dress well for her station, how is she going to expect others to dress well for their station, especially when they are in court? But I better stop before I go on and on and on.... Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 17:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FLjMpB019198 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:45:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FLitFa091775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FLip8E039904; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FBkgs2028857 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.207.5042c6b (4394) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:46:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:46:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1740's characters X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO STOP the surgers! The gig's off. They want us to do it for FREE. That's right, not at a reduced rate even....or for a nice dinner somewhere even...but Free. NOT I wonder if the actors, camera crew, lighting grips, and location people are doing it for FREE. What do you think? What is wrong with these people? How experienced can they be in film if they expect costumes for free? Do they think this is the Middle School play? They expressed a need for "accuracy and attention to detail." How about the detail that Mr. Lincoln ended slavery. Get your grandmother to sew something up for you Bud....I'm outta here! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 18:02:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FM2Iod019492 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:02:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FM1gEA093677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FM1cCA053155; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6FM1X0g053030 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPSNSVAWW3QKS for (sender ); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78Xg3VdedbUp8LwDJuXS1PBb12T4bQBpGg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXYW82FZ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:00:00 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:50:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) Message-ID: <20050715.165026.-108589443.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,11-19,21-38 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 13:6:1477844704 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (After much snippage of some excellent insights.....) After a number of years at the RenFaire, I made an interesting observation when one of our larger ladies tried on a man's surcoat for a lark one day. She looked really nice in it! Many larger ladies that I have seen (not all, but some!) seem to think that a corset/period bodice is a magic girdle that will make them thinner if they can just lace it down enough. This results in the 'stuffed sausage' look that I think is really painful looking and unpleasant. When this lady put on the surcoat, it skimmed over her body in such a way that made her look very majestic and very elegant. Please note that a well-fitted surcoat is NOT the same as an ill-fitting costume. Just my tuppence! Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:57:36 -0700 Kimiko Small writes: > At 06:25 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: > >Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat > SCAdian > >woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more > >modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be > a wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. > > > As someone who's had to relearn a few things about personal > fashion... I > have come to realize personally that such large garments are an > attempt, at > least by me, to hide who I was inside by hiding behind the oversized > garments I wore on the outside. It had nothing to do with fit, but > personal > body image and a lack of self esteem. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 18:04:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FM4Cm2019547 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FM3lEK093815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FM3kG4054668; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6FM3bXF054497 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPSNWQADTQL62 for (sender ); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78Xg3VdedbUp1wKlHd36P57WNEhBcKjsPw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXYXCTCY; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:02:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:52:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters Message-ID: <20050715.165256.-108589443.1.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-35 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 12:6:3760066557 X-MAIL-INFO: 553e432e43fbba83fbba875aba87c7d7a3ebb337e70aeb02ce7ee70302af2b1b028f4e473edf3e1f9b874bba3e5a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well Albert, I hate to say it, but anybody that thinks that Puritans were still around in the 1740's probably hasn't paid that much attention in the first place and so doesn't really kow what he is asking for. Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:46:29 EDT AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > STOP the surgers! The gig's off. > > They want us to do it for FREE. That's right, not at a reduced rate > > even....or for a nice dinner somewhere even...but Free. > > NOT > > I wonder if the actors, camera crew, lighting grips, and location > people are > doing it for FREE. What do you think? > > What is wrong with these people? How experienced can they be in film > if they > expect costumes for free? Do they think this is the Middle School > play? They > expressed a need for "accuracy and attention to detail." How about > the > detail that Mr. Lincoln ended slavery. Get your grandmother to sew > something up > for you Bud....I'm outta here! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 18:10:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FMANU8019701 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FM9kIP094380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FM9jlo058961; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FM9ebU058897 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05727 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:29:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:29:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Marc Carlson wrote: > >From: Cynthia Virtue > >Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't > >worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. "a body garment or > >coat" seems to imply "tunic" could apply to both layers. > > I think we're interpretting what the "body" applies to "alone", or 'garment > or coat" equally. You may well be right, I don't know. The MED quote you gave was "A garment resembling a shirt or gown, worn alone or beneath a mantle, armor, etc." It sounds to me that they were contrasting "worn alone" as versus "worn with another layer over it." I don't see any implication as to whether anything was or wasn't worn *under* it. Underwear (being unseen and also not much thought about by non-clothing historians) is typically ignored in these types of definitions. In the same way, I might say that the fitted dress could be worn "alone" or with a sideless surcote or houppeland over it, but that wouldn't mean that there's no chemise beneath. The phrase "body garment" was used not in the same quote as "alone"; it was in another source, the OED, as you quote: "In Old English and mediaeval times, a body garment or coat over which a loose mantle of cloak was worn." My understanding is that "body garment" doesn't mean "body linen" or "worn against the body" -- it means a major garment designed to cover the body (that is, the torso, with or without limbs), e.g. a gown or shirt or coat. It's used in the same way that "headdress" is a generic term for a garment covering the head or "footwear" is a general term for garments covering the feet. I suppose "body garment" could be applied to garments that cover part of the body, particularly taken as a set (e.g. a man's suit), but usually individual garment names are used to distinguish pieces like trousers, blouses, skirts. As a category, they can all be lumped in as "body garments" as opposed to "headdress" and "footwear." As I've been accustomed to reading it, if there's any implication of layer in "body garment," it's typically a visible layer. I probably wouldn't blink to see a chemise described as a body garment, though. It's a very generic categorical term. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 18:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FMAtp5019716 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FMATND094446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FMATfZ059416; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FMAQQY059328 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.142.494c0796 (4459) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:10:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <142.494c0796.30098e48@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:10:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/15/2005 6:04:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penhalion@juno.com writes: Well Albert, I hate to say it, but anybody that thinks that Puritans were still around in the 1740's Are you kidding? We have Puritans in Kansas today! Seriously, I know what you mean. But I didn't think they meant Puritans in the dictionary sense. I assumed they meant "Puritanical" types. Now, of course, I think you're absolutely correct. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 18:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6FMj9ID020523 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:45:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6FMiSWu097869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FMiQds080532; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FMiNDU080494 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:44:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:44:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net><42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net><4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Men in suits (was: Future ware(gloves) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 22:44:21.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE27AE00:01C5898E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I disagree. I have yet to find a man, of whatever physique, who doesn't > look good in a suit. This includes a good friend who's at least 100 lbs > overweight. > > Melusine Oh I've found one who doesn't look good in a suit. Peter Jackson. His clothes always look wrinkled and badly worn, no matter what he wears, I don't know why... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 21:02:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G12o0f023159 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:02:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G125oN008070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G121Su048304; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G11wPx048243 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AD73C941 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:01:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42D85C8D.8070707@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:02:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters References: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > STOP the surgers! The gig's off. > > They want us to do it for FREE. That's right, not at a reduced rate > even....or for a nice dinner somewhere even...but Free. > > NOT Well, hey, if they can come up with some FREE fabric, trims, buttons, and notions, a couple of FREE patterns, a FREE sewing machine or two I might consider throwing in the free labor.... Or not. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 21:26:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G1QHV0023496 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:26:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G1PfXi009484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G1Pess058189; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f42.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G1PbvO058139 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.93 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:25:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.93] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507152146.j6FLjac4040560@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:25:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2005 01:25:32.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[4244A010:01C589A5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Alen/ell? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lauren Walker wrote: > > Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there > > anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for > > comparison and/or reference? You know, "English ell, 15th century, > > 1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5 modern inches," > > etc.? I've seen very few lists, and they are -far- from comprehensive. For example, in the OED "A measure of length varying in different countries. The English ell = 45 in.; the Scotch = 37·2; the Flemish = 27 in." Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 22:04:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G24iZ5024081 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:04:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G23qSM012659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G23ger074485; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G23bu9074432 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (smtp-3a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.196]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IJP001ZV720DG@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:03:36 +1200 (NZST) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-145.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.145]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11A8AE4A3 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:03:35 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:56:01 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714193642.035b2dd0@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42D86931.9080305@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714193642.035b2dd0@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:25 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: > >> Oh, jeez, don't get me started. If I had a dollar for every fat >> SCAdian woman who seems to think that _huge_ clothes are somehow more >> modest/flattering/who knows what than clothes that fit, I would be a >> wealthy woman. A fat, wealthy, well-dressed woman. > > > > As someone who's had to relearn a few things about personal fashion... > I have come to realize personally that such large garments are an > attempt, at least by me, to hide who I was inside by hiding behind the > oversized garments I wore on the outside. It had nothing to do with > fit, but personal body image and a lack of self esteem. Thanks for reading my mind :-) Adele _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 15 23:20:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G3KiZx025510 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:20:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G3JnHn018361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G3Jjcc007478; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G3JeRe007445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-220-123-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.123]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6G3JcvI001531 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:19:39 +1000 Message-ID: <009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com><8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:18:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question > At 07:14 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: > > And where on earth would one find the jewellery? > > > There is a company in England that makes pewter replicas of Tudor jewelry > (and other jewelry things, spoons, collars, etc.), and he notes that he > makes custom pieces as well. > http://www.tudorjewels.com/ (for the historical images) > http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ (to order the same) > > While it may not be exactly what you are looking for, some of the patterns > appear similar, or he could make them for you. > > I have not ordered from him yet, but plan on doing so later this year when > I have some more money. > > Kimiko > I agree that Steve Millingham's work is really fabulous but if your budget doesn't stretch that far look at http://www.sapphireandsage.com/index.html especially the portrait reproduction section, whilst these are not exact replicas (as she doesn't make her own settings) they do a very good job of imitating the style fairly closely (I'm lusting after the reproduction of Princess Mary Tudor's necklaces) the "Queen Elizabeth I" Cluster Necklace (under portrait reproductions) is fairly similar to this portrait http://www.photo.rmn.fr/c/htm/CSearchZ.aspx?o=&Total=2&FP=3825164&E=22S39UNTBJPH&SID=22S39UNTBJPH&New=T&Pic=2&SubE=2C6NU0XQAIT8 (or the short version http://snipurl.com/gagx) which is Spanish from the same era (I found it via Michaela's page) but if you're doing a large ruff a collar close to the neck may not show up very well. Alternately, some of the other examples show just a long strand of pearls (I use one short & one long strand of fake pearls with a pendant tied onto the shorter one) HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 00:05:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G45o1G026413 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G45LHO021404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:05:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G45Fu7026234; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G45Bip026171 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1e8.3f28f557 (18707) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.3f28f557.3009e16d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:05:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/15/2005 9:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Well, hey, if they can come up with some FREE fabric, trims, buttons, and notions, a couple of FREE patterns, a FREE sewing machine or two I might consider throwing in the free labor.... Or not. :) Exactly. I mean I don't expect union rates for a feature film, but to offer nothing at all???! It's a strange mentality when it comes to costuming. Just eat some pins and fabrics and pull it out of your ass! But we'll pay a fortune for the set. Ooooooo...it's so BIG! Yeah...well there only like 3 or 4 sets [in theatre....dozens in film] but there like 40 to 100 costumes [in a big theatre production....thousands in film]. And as my set designer friend used to point out: "I can suggest a wall or an arch. You can't suggest a bodice or a pair of shoes...they have to be there." I once had a tech director sigh at me and say "Y'know, the costumes don't have to fit perfectly". To which I said "And the lighting designer doesn't have to light the whole stage, just some general illumination will do. And the actors don't have to get their lines exactly right; as long as it sounds something like what Shakespeare wrote. And...." "OK. OK. I get your point." he said walking away. When I worked on "Last of the Mohican" the Brits on the crew couldn't understand the low esteem costuming was held in. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 00:13:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G4DvWr026617 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:13:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G4DS40021997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G4DREf029437; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G4DNF4029395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G5aq42022346 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:36:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Future ware(gloves) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:13:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200507142151.36570.cathy@thyrsus.com> <02ef01c588e0$d72c1750$0400a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <02ef01c588e0$d72c1750$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507160013.15073.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 14 July 2005 9:59 pm, Carmen Beaudry wrote: [snip] > > I don't think anyone looks good in a suit that doesn't fit. There are a > very few men who can walk into a store and buy off the rack; all the rest > have to have them tailored. The best suit my husband ever had was the one > he had tailor made in London when he was in the Army, and he most certainly > was in great shape then (and not bad now). I quite agree. Tailoring is everything to making a suit look well on a man, and vice versa. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 00:26:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G4QGlV026996 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G4PeVl022801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G4PcwE033986; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G4PZc2033923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G5n4MJ022519 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:49:04 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Men in suits (was: Future ware(gloves) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:25:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <00f801c58843$da3e75c0$0400a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507160025.27973.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 15 July 2005 6:44 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > I disagree. I have yet to find a man, of whatever physique, who doesn't > > look good in a suit. This includes a good friend who's at least 100 lbs > > overweight. > > > > Melusine > > Oh I've found one who doesn't look good in a suit. Peter Jackson. His > clothes always look wrinkled and badly worn, no matter what he wears, I > don't know why... Probably because he buys them off the rack. Melusine is right; fit is important, and stocky men are one group that are exceptionally badly served by the standard sizing. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 01:41:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G5fELi028664 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:41:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G5eaL0026360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eWuV061239; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eSU3061183 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBF75DFEF for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050715223520.0363f478@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:40:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) In-Reply-To: <20050715.165026.-108589443.0.penhalion@juno.com> References: <20050715.165026.-108589443.0.penhalion@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:50 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: >After a number of years at the RenFaire, I made an interesting >observation when one of our larger ladies tried on a man's surcoat for a >lark one day. She looked really nice in it! Many larger ladies that I >have seen (not all, but some!) seem to think that a corset/period bodice >is a magic girdle that will make them thinner if they can just lace it >down enough. This results in the 'stuffed sausage' look that I think is >really painful looking and unpleasant. When this lady put on the surcoat, >it skimmed over her body in such a way that made her look very majestic >and very elegant. Please note that a well-fitted surcoat is NOT the same >as an ill-fitting costume. > >Just my tuppence! > >Karen >Seamstrix Very much agreed! I am not sure what kind of men's surcoat you are thinking of (my mind goes to Henry VIII's big puffy sleeved surcoat). Even my ladies Spanish surcoat (a la Patterns of Fashion) that is fitted to my upper body looks very nice on me, just skimming my uncorseted body (I was post pregnant at the time), and even flattering over my Tudor gown with hoops (but too short for hoops on its own). I love the thing and will be making another in a nicer fabric for next spring, along with a maternity kirtle (gotta figure out how to make the kirtle really usable for breastfeeding, first). Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 01:41:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G5fF3v028670 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:41:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G5eaXR026358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eWWx061236; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eSf7061182 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94C65DFDB for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050715223337.03568fc0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:34:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters In-Reply-To: <1e8.3f28f557.3009e16d@aol.com> References: <1e8.3f28f557.3009e16d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:05 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: >When I worked on "Last of the Mohican" the Brits on the crew couldn't >understand the low esteem costuming was held in. *I* don't understand why such low esteem either. What is it with people today that expect couture level work, and want it for free or at Wal-Mart prices? Grrrrrrrrrr. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 01:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G5fHNP028674 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G5ea9b026359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eWlx061240; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G5eS5D061181 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D655DFD3 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050715223244.03584800@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:33:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) In-Reply-To: <42D86931.9080305@paradise.net.nz> References: <42D4F457.7080203@optonline.net> <42D52AE8.4070000@optonline.net> <4.3.1.2.20050713235041.03544c48@mail.frys.com> <42D65802.3030307@in-tch.com> <42D66161.4050802@optonline.net> <42D70E9A.1060002@in-tch.com> <42D7106C.4030707@paradise.net.nz> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714193642.035b2dd0@64.87.54.245> <42D86931.9080305@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:56 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: > > >Thanks for reading my mind :-) > >Adele You are welcome! I am glad I am not the only one who felt that way. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 02:37:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6G6bEnM003900 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:37:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6G6aRWQ029284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G6aQnl082608; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6G6aM3C082555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:36:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.206] (helo=M2W094.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DtgHU-0002e4-80 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005761663612219@M2W094.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:36:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6G6aM3C082555 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 07:14 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: > > And where on earth would one find the jewellery? > > > There is a company in England that makes pewter replicas of Tudor jewelry > (and other jewelry things, spoons, collars, etc.), and he notes that he > makes custom pieces as well. > http://www.tudorjewels.com/ (for the historical images) > http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ (to order the same) Be aware that Steve Millingham's pieces are very, very heavy, being pewter castings. I have worked with his jewellery, and in fact some of his Anne Boleyn and Henry Vlll pieces were originally designed for a customer of mine. You could also try http://www.anniethepedlar.com, who made all the pieces for my Elizabeth figure. She works in brass, and will custom make. I would always use her pieces as a first choice. Suzi www.suziclarke.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 10:29:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GET2Np005322 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GESCD6067114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GES7uR069294; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GES3C9069235 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050716142757.ZQGP2946.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:27:57 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.173.98]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050716142757.WDPC1236.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:27:57 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.16]); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:27:59 +1200 Message-ID: <002401c58a12$90bb8520$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au><20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com><00a101c588ef$ca8f2ff0$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050715134253.035613b0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:27:54 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm > I remember when you posted about the jewelry some time ago. I really liked > what you did. I've been wanting to do something similar to your jewelry for > my Tudor project, but all I can seem to find are just the flat brass > findings. That just doesn't give me the "weight" of the gold jewelry seen > in the paintings. Where did you find the other findings that you used to > give the jewelry a richer feel? Thanks:) Basically I just layered pieces up until they felt about right. So it's really just a matter of hunting down bits and pieces and keeping them on hand. I'm slightly annoyed as at the time I couldn't find those plaque bracelets that had been everywhere shortly before. I know Avon made one... Well I did find one, but it was $30 which was a tad steep considering I would have needed more than 3;) The layers go: brooch pin: Spotlight (25NZc each) filigree brass bit: Spotlight ($NZ1.75 each) bracelet plaque with "gem" : e Thing (like a dollar store) ($NZ3 for each bracelet with 6 or more useable plaques) I now have 22 brooches. The pearls I used are all glass, and weigh a fair bit as well;) 44 pearl knots of 47 pearls each... But it does seem to give a good pull to the costume... They too came from a dollar stoore. The larger pearls on the carcanet and girdle were $NZ3 a strand (fairly standard size, to the collar bone) the smaller $NZ2 per strand. It took four strands to make five knots. I'm also looking to see if I can get some of my plaque belts and other findings electroplated into a nice bright brass. Luckily one of the companies that did the electroplating for some Lord of the Rings mail is fairly close by. I'm going to see if I can get my silver mug replated at the same time. I would use more of the filigree bits for my carcanet and girdle, but it took nearly a year for the nearest Spotlight store to get more of the ones I used;) I may have to order some in if the wait time isn't too bad. regards, michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: 15/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 10:37:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GEbsUd005521 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:37:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GEbXa0067624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEbWYq073381; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com (web41903.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6GEbUAJ073346 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74470 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2005 14:37:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xNQ+T4qpMRPqV4MrjiJINEx4JS8hMJg0MZqmz0Tx1jjNO5TynNwQfxzmHeSDV3hkqZ0IEMCQHca3mfhwte+jz7R1+vjV+fbejIwAuchDygF1Dtm867G/pdrn2nA7GJn98fR64wd6QP+uG4vX6kUgHev4uMkzFoUmAvbbiJbNxL8= ; Message-ID: <20050716143724.74468.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.165] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:37:23 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507160541.j6G5fjRG061701@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Vol 4, Issue 462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Oh, jeez, don't get me started. 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Take the tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 10:50:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GEoJSC005780 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:50:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GEns3p068091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEnrl6078244; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEno15078224 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb30.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4BD3FDA3 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C2R6OAAbljwEAAAAB,70db8f1b8fd33841373b9d549664be51 Message-Id: <20050716144950.7B4BD3FDA3@omta08.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Back in 1985-86, for a couple of terms, I was a junior mistress in the boarding house of a private girls school in Toowoomba, which is a large country town on the top of a mountain range, a couple of hours drive west of Brisbane. ( Winter is looong - lasts for about 6 months of the year - and cold and windy, being on the top of a mountain. Even in summer you never went anywhere at night without taking a jacket. ) The Headmistress of boarding had only been in Toowoomba for a couple of years, having come from Southport, on the Gold Coast. ( Think California - beaches, lots of deep tans. ) She had two teenage sons, who came with her to Toowoomba. She told me that when they moved to Toowoomba, her oldest son commented to her about how beautiful girls' skins were. He had never seen so many rose petal complexions! ( I was impressed that a teenage boy noticed! ) But it was true, the girls had lovely skin. Generally skins were much fairer and less weathered than on people who lived in less chilly areas, I think mostly because it was too cold to spend much time out of doors during the winter months. I know that personally, after two years of living there, I had lovely pale skin, but within two weeks of moving back to Brisbane, I was tanned again, without trying to tan. :-( Joannah. --- Robert Uhl wrote: > Will untanned skin become fashionable again as a sign you take the > extra time to hide your skin from the sun? One can only hope so. There's nothing quite so pretty as a fair-skinned girl with a rosy blush to her cheeks! _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 11:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GFAUBT006187 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GF9oBY069018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GF9m2c086478; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GF9jLu086453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DtoII-0008OC-A2; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:09:34 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20050716100934.2bkc8jh9mnls0ggs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:09:34 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Italian cotehardie/GFD question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, I know that Italian garb isn't your regular focus of interest, but I have a question about 2 paintings ..... http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giottino/pieta.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giovanni/milano/birth.jpg The first by Giottino was painted in 1365; the second by Giovanni da Milano was also painted in 1365. The "inverse scoop" neckline seems to be common in Italian garb, but the question is about the bicolor gowns -- the donor lady in black and grey in the Pieta, and the red and cream in the Birth of the Virgin. I'm thinking that since both of these women are spectators or donors rather than Saints, that this just might be "Real Clothes." Even though your area of expertise *isn't* Italian, what your thoughts on these gowns are. (for more info on the paintings go to http://www.wga.hu/html/g/giottino/pieta.html http://www.wga.hu/html/g/giovanni/milano/birth.html Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 11:16:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GFGtqr006307 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GFGVJq069575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GFGUP6089609; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GFGRqn089546 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.162]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 68B605EE036 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c58a19$59fe7130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050716144950.7B4BD3FDA3@omta08.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:16:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Joannah, Interresting thoaght, but i was a little confused because of the headder in the post. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bjarne > Back in 1985-86, for a couple of terms, I was a junior mistress in the > boarding house of a private girls school in Toowoomba, which is a large > country town on the top of a mountain range, a couple of hours drive west > of Brisbane. ( Winter is looong - lasts for about 6 months of the year - > and cold and windy, being on the top of a mountain. Even in summer you > never went anywhere at night without taking a jacket. ) The Headmistress > of boarding had only been in Toowoomba for a couple of years, having come > from Southport, on the Gold Coast. ( Think California - beaches, lots of > deep tans. ) > > She had two teenage sons, who came with her to Toowoomba. She told me that > when they moved to Toowoomba, her oldest son commented to her about how > beautiful girls' skins were. He had never seen so many rose petal > complexions! ( I was impressed that a teenage boy noticed! ) > > But it was true, the girls had lovely skin. Generally skins were much > fairer and less weathered than on people who lived in less chilly areas, I > think mostly because it was too cold to spend much time out of doors > during the winter months. I know that personally, after two years of > living there, I had lovely pale skin, but within two weeks of moving back > to Brisbane, I was tanned again, without trying to tan. :-( > > Joannah. > > --- Robert Uhl wrote: > > >> Will untanned skin become fashionable again as a sign you take the >> extra time to hide your skin from the sun? > > One can only hope so. There's nothing quite so pretty as a fair-skinned > girl with a rosy blush to her cheeks! > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 12:41:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GGfaA2007890 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:41:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GGetUu074869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GGerPs025391; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GGenAK025363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-82.sonic.net [209.148.113.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GGelPW025094 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:40:48 -0700 Message-ID: <42D93892.3080106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:40:50 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Future garments again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you suppose that in the next 20 or 30 years India and China will become important world powers, and start driving more fashion trends instead of being places the US goes to have things made cheap? As for outsourcing garment manufacture, I think the US will continue doing it, but somewhere other than in those countries if wages rise there. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 13:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GHJ4Vb008380 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GHIUdd077283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GHISo5041535; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GHIOpi041479 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6GHII926788 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:18:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:22:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <42D93892.3080106@lavoltapress.com> Message-Id: <3086636B-F61E-11D9-BC7D-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I do think that India and China will become much more influential in the next 20-30 years, and not just in fashion. (Don't get me started on the state of education in this country. I'm constantly appalled at the simple words and concepts of which my university junior and seniors have no knowledge. Examples, 'calendrical', 'intimate', and 'monarchy') US companies will continue to shop around for the best deal in apparel production, because the majority of the market in the US is in the budget/ low-end range. People are not willing to spend the money on higher priced/ higher quality garments. It's simple economics, really. It's why I try my hardest to avoid the box stores when possible. Companies like LL Bean and Pendleton have found niche markets catering to a customer that desires a higher quality at a higher price. Unless things have changed recently, both companies manufacture mostly in the US, with the exception of a few items. YMMV, Althea On Saturday, July 16, 2005, at 09:40 AM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Do you suppose that in the next 20 or 30 years India and China will > become important world powers, and start driving more fashion trends > instead of being places the US goes to have things made cheap? > > As for outsourcing garment manufacture, I think the US will continue > doing it, but somewhere other than in those countries if wages rise > there. > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 13:35:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GHZRsq008487 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:35:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GHYt6P078475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GHYoRV048511; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6GHYlZs048449 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail32.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.172]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPUTH5AWMDBX2 for (sender ); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+MhT/Z2sgPWGlFq9Mqr2pfx3D3FFfMlQg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail32.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KX22C4BU; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:33:08 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail32.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:32:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:32:48 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050716.103308.9779.12352@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:521942121 X-MAIL-INFO: 579d710171d9a160d9a1f505a1f5658994ed2109c45ded114084c4851164b541117479559de19d04bdf5c1a19d05 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.172|webmail32.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you considered making a square-necked kirtle (ala Lady Burghley) and then having it open/close down the center front (at least to the waist) with either hooks and eyes or lacing? That way you could open it for breast feeding and hook/lace it back together for wearing. If you made it snug fitting, it would probably give you decent support too. No personal experience in the area, just an idea. Karen Seamstrix Kimiko writes: I love the thing and will be making another in a nicer fabric for next spring, along with a maternity kirtle (gotta figure out how to make the kirtle really usable for breastfeeding, first). Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 13:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GHfE8f008521 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GHeE2E078753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GHeD0N050791; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GHeA66050765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6GHe7LX014082 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:40:09 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Future garments again Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3086636B-F61E-11D9-BC7D-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Umm... As a long time Pendleton customer, at least for the fabric, and Pendleton, Oregon native I have to tell you that must of the clothing is actually manufactured in places like Mexico. The woolen fabric is woven here in Pendleton, Portland, and Washougal, WA, but the clothing is put together elsewhere. The Blankets are made here though! :-) The mill outlets are EVIL places. What you see is what you get; however when that happens you can get beautiful yardage for $10 a yard and under! On the other hand doesn't it seem like current western fashion (shirts, pants, etc.) have pretty much taken over from "traditional" garments? India is one of the few places where I see women in things like sari's, salwar's and cameeze. Even then the children are frequently in pants and shirts that look like they originally came from a US catalogue. Regina > snip< > It's why I try my hardest to avoid the box stores when possible. > Companies like LL Bean and Pendleton have found niche markets catering > to a customer that desires a higher quality at a higher price. Unless > things have changed recently, both companies manufacture mostly in the > US, with the exception of a few items. > > YMMV, > Althea > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 14:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GI8f6N008704 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:08:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GI8Gkn080562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GI8ELA062447; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GI8AP0062416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-131.sonic.net [209.148.114.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GI8957008096 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:08:10 -0700 Message-ID: <42D94D0B.8030806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:08:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If we're talking 20-30 years from now, that's enough time for Indians to start a retro trend. Mybe not precisely traditional clothing but styles derived from it, or traditional fabrics made into nontraditional styles. Or maybe color influences, or several of the above. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com >On the other hand doesn't it seem like current western fashion (shirts, >pants, etc.) have pretty much taken over from "traditional" garments? India >is one of the few places where I see women in things like sari's, salwar's >and cameeze. Even then the children are frequently in pants and shirts that >look like they originally came from a US catalogue. > >Regina > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 14:28:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GISRBQ008915 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GIS0Zj081850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GIRxrf070744; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:27:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GIRtLK070672 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6GIRnH12905 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:27:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:32:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello again :) Yes, Pendleton does do some off-shore production, but their emphasis is still on quality. I don't really know if this translates into higher wages/ better conditions for workers in Mexico. I should look into it. I'm sure one of my students will ask about it. :) There are other companies, such as Winter Sun, that produces off-shore but works very closely with the workers to create a unique garment and enrich (a Western concept, to be sure) their lives. This company also uses a local tree nut as the source of their buttons, which helps to preserve the local environment. So off-shore sourcing does not automatically means 'bad'. But it takes a LOT of work and time and money to bring it above slave wage. (oops, my bias is showing) As to Western dress in India, from what I have read, it is usually the males that adopt world dress first. We already have many influences making the way from India (sari fabric, mendhi (Sp)). I think it is rather unfortunate that one mode of dress is coming to dominate. There are so many beautiful styles of dress out there, especially the sari. Althea On Saturday, July 16, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Wanda Pease wrote: > Umm... As a long time Pendleton customer, at least for the fabric, and > Pendleton, Oregon native I have to tell you that must of the clothing > is > actually manufactured in places like Mexico. The woolen fabric is > woven > here in Pendleton, Portland, and Washougal, WA, but the clothing is put > together elsewhere. > > The Blankets are made here though! :-) The mill outlets are EVIL > places. > What you see is what you get; however when that happens you can get > beautiful yardage for $10 a yard and under! > > On the other hand doesn't it seem like current western fashion (shirts, > pants, etc.) have pretty much taken over from "traditional" garments? > India > is one of the few places where I see women in things like sari's, > salwar's > and cameeze. Even then the children are frequently in pants and > shirts that > look like they originally came from a US catalogue. > > Regina >> snip< > >> It's why I try my hardest to avoid the box stores when possible. >> Companies like LL Bean and Pendleton have found niche markets catering >> to a customer that desires a higher quality at a higher price. Unless >> things have changed recently, both companies manufacture mostly in the >> US, with the exception of a few items. >> >> YMMV, >> Althea >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 14:36:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GIaia8009056 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GIaD9W082507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GIaCjx074234; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GIa9Dk074205 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.235] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtrWA-0004DP-8q for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <011c01c58a35$394489e0$eb399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:36:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b63fd6ea4264d7a1389c2c400532cda27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.235 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Regina wrote: > On the other hand doesn't it seem like current western fashion (shirts, > pants, etc.) have pretty much taken over from "traditional" garments? > India > is one of the few places where I see women in things like sari's, salwar's > and cameeze. Even then the children are frequently in pants and shirts > that > look like they originally came from a US catalogue. That certainly depends on where you live. I recently moved from Jackson Heights (Queens County, New York City), after almost 30 years there. The place is often referred to as "Little India" and traditional clothes are pretty common except for the kids, who mostly dress like the other kids. The heavy shopping strip consists of: sari/salwar suit store, restaurant, jewelry store, video store, appliance store, repeat, repeat, repeat. The wedding stuff is just amazing. Sundays are the best, when the adult women break out their best saris and kameezes to go out to eat. The fabric and embroidery are to die for. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 15:12:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GJCina009577 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GJCGXp084941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GJCDuk088367; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GJCAMP088343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-220.sonic.net [209.148.113.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GJC8Hx017770 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: <42D95C0B.9020508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:12:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you've seen sari fabric used in mainstream Western clothes (I know it's popular for historic costumes), tell me where to buy the clothes! What do you mean by mendhi? What I've been seeing in Indian influences is in the "boho/gypsy/hippie" revival imitating the fashions of the late 1960s and the 1970s. For example, the ebay seller "hipsexychic" sells beautiful crinkle cotton "gypsy skirts" in ombre, various colors being available. I don't know what she has up right now, and she's not around on weekends, but anyone who wants to see them could try searching her listings and/or emailing her on Monday. She's by no means the only eBay seller I've seen with "gypsy" skirts of some sort, but I've bought some of hers and know they are lovely (though not yet how well they wash). I've also seen a lot of embroidered kurtas/kurti/Indian tunics of varying degrees of quality, some made in India, some commissioned by US manufacturers (I have two great ones in medium-weight linen made [very well] in China that I bought at a local Ross store). If anyone can tell me where to buy really high-quality embroidered Indian kurtas for women (without mirror work, which I hate), I'd be glad. However, in US sales venues these skirts and tunics are all labeled as "boho," etc., as a revival of a US/British/possibly European style. As Western retro, in other words. I've noticed that various Indian sellers are happy to leap on the bandwagon, but I'm not sure you could call this a recent trend that started in India. If this trend continues, I also expect shortly (maybe next summer) to see the embroidered Eastern European style "peasant blouses," of the 1970s, and possibly kebayas, a 1970s trend that some people are also trying to revive in Indonesia. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > We already have many influences making the way from India (sari > fabric, mendhi (Sp)). I think it is rather unfortunate that one mode > of dress is coming to dominate. There are so many beautiful styles of > dress out there, especially the sari. > > Althea > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 18:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GMB1Qm012598 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GMABTd095269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GMA7aP057032; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GMA23i056957 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJQ00D3FQWLI9J2@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.31] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:09:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:09:57 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Indian clothing was: Future garments again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO addresses please!!!!! All I can find is 'Little India' in Islin, NJ. And most of those stores sell the VERY high prices stuff, and polyester stuff. I am looking for more choli's in cotton - not that nasty polyester or knit. Katheryne -------------------------------------- That certainly depends on where you live. I recently moved from Jackson Heights (Queens County, New York City), after almost 30 years there. The place is often referred to as "Little India" and traditional clothes are pretty common except for the kids, who mostly dress like the other kids. The heavy shopping strip consists of: sari/salwar suit store, restaurant, jewelry store, video store, appliance store, repeat, repeat, repeat. The wedding stuff is just amazing. Sundays are the best, when the adult women break out their best saris and kameezes to go out to eat. The fabric and embroidery are to die for. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 18:30:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GMUWQt012940 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GMTl5j096494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GMTkFT064399; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GMTg4V064374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-51.sonic.net [209.148.114.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GMTfdI012504 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <42D98A58.1020104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:29:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian clothing was: Future garments again References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Web addresses please, if there are any! Fran > >-------------------------------------- >That certainly depends on where you live. I recently moved from Jackson Heights (Queens County, New York City), after almost 30 years there. The place is often referred to as "Little India" and traditional clothes are pretty common except for the kids, who mostly dress like the other kids. The heavy shopping strip consists of: sari/salwar suit store, restaurant, jewelry store, video store, appliance store, repeat, repeat, repeat. The wedding stuff is just amazing. >Sundays are the best, when the adult women break out their best saris and kameezes to go out to eat. The fabric and embroidery are to die for. > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 19:16:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GNGW2O013656 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GNFX26098833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNFUwB080716; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNFQvG080691 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D2510DC7 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716160950.03571758@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:11:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] _huge_ clothes (Was Future ware(gloves)) In-Reply-To: <20050716.103308.9779.12352@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050716.103308.9779.12352@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:32 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote: >Have you considered making a square-necked kirtle (ala Lady Burghley) and >then having it open/close down the center front (at least to the waist) >with either hooks and eyes or lacing? That way you could open it for >breast feeding and hook/lace it back together for wearing. If you made it >snug fitting, it would probably give you decent support too. > >No personal experience in the area, just an idea. > > >Karen >Seamstrix Thanks Karen. I like the idea and will see if it will work for me. I originally was thinking something high necked, but with the surcoat it really doesn't have to be. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 19:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GNGW02013659 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GNGAwQ098880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNG9cZ081024; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNFQ7X080692 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A8710E0F for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716161138.036bbab8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:13:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <002401c58a12$90bb8520$0301010a@michaela> References: <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <20050714130220.k17co7r1n8u8sck8@www.goldsword.com> <00a101c588ef$ca8f2ff0$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050715134253.035613b0@64.87.54.245> <002401c58a12$90bb8520$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:27 AM 7/16/2005, you wrote: >The layers go: >brooch pin: Spotlight (25NZc each) >filigree brass bit: Spotlight ($NZ1.75 each) >bracelet plaque with "gem" : e Thing (like a dollar store) ($NZ3 for each >bracelet with 6 or more useable plaques) <> Wow, thanks so much for sharing how all that went together. I see from doing a google search that your Spotlight store may be like some of our craft/fabric stores in the US. I will have to look outside the box so to speak to find something comparable, and start thinking differently on what can be used in what manner. Thanks again for sharing your work with us. I know I find it very inspiring. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 19:16:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GNGeBE013667 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GNFXMi098832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNFU2r080714; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNFQ8n080690 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50710D6B for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716160432.036bbe90@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:07:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <380-22005761663612219@M2W094.mail2web.com> References: <380-22005761663612219@M2W094.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:36 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: >Be aware that Steve Millingham's pieces are very, very heavy, being pewter >castings. I have worked with his jewellery, and in fact some of his Anne >Boleyn and Henry Vlll pieces were originally designed for a customer of >mine. You could also try http://www.anniethepedlar.com, who made all the >pieces for my Elizabeth figure. She works in brass, and will custom make. I >would always use her pieces as a first choice. > > >Suzi >www.suziclarke.co.uk Thank you Suzi for sharing that with me. I was looking at his work, because I am looking for the jewelry to recreate Mary Tudor Brandon's jewelry in her marriage portrait. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg His was very close in the ouches that he made for the Princess Elizabeth repros. I will check out Annie the Pedlar as well. I've heard her name very favorably. Thanks again, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 19:54:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6GNs1p2014269 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6GNrWq7000997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNrVXa094981; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GNrSbR094958 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C0C1110E for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716164417.035a9440@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:53:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8> References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com> <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245> <009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:18 PM 7/15/2005, you wrote: >I agree that Steve Millingham's work is really fabulous but if your budget >doesn't stretch that far look at http://www.sapphireandsage.com/index.html >especially the portrait reproduction section, whilst these are not exact >replicas (as she doesn't make her own settings) they do a very good job of >imitating the style fairly closely (I'm lusting after the reproduction of >Princess Mary Tudor's necklaces) >the "Queen Elizabeth I" Cluster Necklace (under portrait reproductions) is >fairly similar to this portrait >http://www.photo.rmn.fr/c/htm/CSearchZ.aspx?o=&Total=2&FP=3825164&E=22S39UNTBJPH&SID=22S39UNTBJPH&New=T&Pic=2&SubE=2C6NU0XQAIT8 >(or the short version http://snipurl.com/gagx) which is Spanish from the >same era (I found it via Michaela's page) but if you're doing a large ruff a >collar close to the neck may not show up very well. Alternately, some of the >other examples show just a long strand of pearls (I use one short & one long >strand of fake pearls with a pendant tied onto the shorter one) >HTH >Elizabeth Thank you Elizabeth for the suggested site. I see she already has a repro of the jewelry I am looking for. However, this is more a secondary choice, as I would prefer the jewelry to look "thicker" and richer than what she has done, more like the paintings if possible. I also need "ouches" or something similar for the hats I am working on, which is even more tricky in some ways as they have to stay on the edge of buckram and wires, instead of flat on a neckline. The eventual gown to go with the dress is mid 1540s Tudor style for Eleanore Brandon, with no ruff (too early for them) just lots of bare chest area (and a partlet depending on season). The collar and carcenet will work well with that. When I do Elizabethans I do wear more pearl strands, especially as my character's husband brings them back from raiding the Spanish galleons when successful (gotta love an actual historical Pirate Earl). Eventually I will try to recreate that character's gown covered in pearls, when I can determine more about what it would look like. http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Russell,Margaret(CCumberland).jpg Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 21:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H1BdWr015840 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:11:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H1B2cR005625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1Awxk022375; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1At1o022355 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.202] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtxgD-0007fG-M8 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <005301c58a6c$60049020$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian clothing was: Future garments again Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:10:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b2bf7585dbadcfe515bfbaf114dd4cb70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.202 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's unofficially "Little India", although there was a move to make it official several years ago, including changing the street signs to be changed into Taj Mahal shapes... Jackson Heights is a historical district (turn of the last century original garden apartments), and the change didn't fly. "Little India" occupies part of the commercial district. Jackson Heights is in north Queens. The stores are mostly on 74th St between Roosevelt Ave and 37th Ave, on 37th Ave between about 72nd and 77th Sts, some more under the el (Roosevelt), and a bit on the other side streets. There is a stop on the subway right on the corner for several subway lines - the station is called Roosevelt Ave - 74th St - the Flushing train and the Jamaica/Forest Hills trains all stop there. (The Flushing train is an elevated line, the others are below ground.) Driving is also possible, but parking is scarce, the spaces are metered, the parking police are clairvoyant, and the traffic can be brutal. One of the biggest stores is called India Sari Palace, at 37-07 74th St; most are smaller. There is also another shopping area in Flushing near Main St and Kissena, and one in Jamaica. I've been in Pittsburgh for almost three years now, but I doubt the neighborhood has changed much. If you go, give it a few hours, and have lunch/dinner at the Jackson Diner (on 74th St, halfway down the block). Despite the name, it is an Indian restaurant. It started in an old diner down the block and they never changed the sign. About 7 years ago, they moved to the old Woolworths, where there is room. --Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 21:15:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H1FvrB015929 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H1FbdT005949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1FYGp023997; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1FNwx023934 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.202] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtxkY-0000wU-Lq for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c58a6d$00573230$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com><8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au><6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245><009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8> <6.2.1.2.0.20050716164417.035a9440@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b3f9abc913047bf43026090be5207c7ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.202 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko wrote: > I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 21:48:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H1mY4Q016468 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H1mDn4007758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1mBkZ035907; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H1m8TM035872 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:48:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9694C112B3 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716184525.0357b9b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:48:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <008001c58a6d$00573230$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com> <8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245> <009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8> <6.2.1.2.0.20050716164417.035a9440@64.87.54.245> <008001c58a6d$00573230$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:15 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko wrote: >> I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on > >OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > -Helen/Aidan That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry replicas calls "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, as in I haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the jewelry I am looking to get. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 22:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H2Qjbl017161 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H2PwYk011188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H2Prr4052753; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H2PnAj052732 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.202] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dtyqi-0006IV-Bj for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:25:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00d201c58a76$d6ddeed0$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1110.67.188.164.116.1121347688.squirrel@www.inreach.com><8A26BCF2-F471-11D9-8439-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au><6.2.1.2.0.20050714102633.0355bab0@64.87.54.245><009101c589b5$00a92c60$7bdcf5dc@e9q5h8><6.2.1.2.0.20050716164417.035a9440@64.87.54.245><008001c58a6d$00573230$ca399b04@HELENPINTO> <6.2.1.2.0.20050716184525.0357b9b0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:25:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bafc81fb856c079ca2407601d4653dae3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.202 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, I recognize the item (way late for me), but I never heard the term before. Maybe it refers to the noise your wallet makes after you've acquired enough for the outfit? -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 23:16:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H3G6Re017953 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:16:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H3FYQW014403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3FWnx071324; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3FSl5071302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dtzcd-000791-Ta for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:15:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:15:19 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Images/colourpics/8486.jpg ? And do > > > > OOh! I've never seen that painting before! Do you have more information > > about it? > > http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/main.htm Yet another painting question. While I was cruising this web site, I found another painting that interests me -- it's on the http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/inspired.htm page -- 5th painting from the left -- the URL for the painting is http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10780_28a.jpg I"ve been searching bildindex.de for 2 days trying to get some information on this painting -- and I can't figure out how to make it give it to me! I suspect that it's a self-portrait of Lavinia Fontana, but I'm not certain -- she is holding a paint palette and brushes -- and the eyes aren't right for it to be Sofonisba -- although it could be one of her sisters. Help! Pretty please? :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 23:21:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H3LD39018035 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H3KoIE014831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3KncD073504; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52814.mail.yahoo.com (web52814.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6H3Kmia073437 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21909 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2005 03:20:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3hFTubJffbkuJek/hXo6E3PGw0KydM7/aGCAdwvPqkS1sqo3LxF92gQDNiEAXo4kXlbRHiGNDVnZZadbKW9AShJTf8EDJw3Sd/WSWRhV5tmxeig/6RL7TdyyE1cnXj0nEywONguA1QDXdy9w5uFWguKPd8ELGhui6m09gHctAP4= ; Message-ID: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52814.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:20:42 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716184525.0357b9b0@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's not just his term: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! KP Kimiko Small wrote: At 06:15 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko wrote: >> I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on > >OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > -Helen/Aidan That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry replicas calls "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, as in I haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the jewelry I am looking to get. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 23:30:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H3UuP9018177 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H3UUZb015471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3UQbF077481; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3UMKh077416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H4rqoB009856 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:53:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:30:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507162330.11880.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 16 July 2005 11:20 pm, Kathryn Parke wrote: [snip] > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! Yes, I have and yes, Yowser! indeed. And if we say more we'll likely be lynched--and not just because it's grossly off-topic. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 16 23:36:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H3avuZ018273 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:36:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H3aclW015797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3acNH079607; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay01.mail2web.com (xrelay01.mail2web.com [168.144.1.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H3a4A0079436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.176] (helo=M2W067.mail2web.com) by xrelay01.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dtzwb-0004By-MS for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200570173355777@M2W067.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:35:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6H3a4A0079436 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Kimiko wrote: >> I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on > >OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > -Helen/Aidan That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry replicas calls "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, as in I haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the jewelry I am looking to get. Steve Millingham got the word from my customer who got it from me, who got it from Annie the Pedlar who did the research for my Elizabeth figure. I imagine she has sources for it, as she did a great deal of research before making the jewellery for me. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 00:33:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H4XkcJ019206 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H4X8jM019385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H4X2v7004046; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H4WxZw004024 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2409B467 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050716212831.035b8e88@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:29:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: <380-2200570173355777@M2W067.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200570173355777@M2W067.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:35 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: >Steve Millingham got the word from my customer who got it from me, who got >it from Annie the Pedlar who did the research for my Elizabeth figure. I >imagine she has sources for it, as she did a great deal of research before >making the jewellery for me. > >Suzi I would love to know the source. It's an amusing name for them. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 00:46:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6H4kDv5019422 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:46:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6H4jnUG020308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H4jmbA008989; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6H4jiJ1008958 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m15.in-tch.com [216.166.191.15]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6H4e4R10409 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42D9E3DC.4080002@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:51:40 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yup. In one straight shot, this morning....although I did get a couple of chapters into it last night, after I walked home from the bookstore. (What can I say? I'm Auld. I fell asleep! ;o) Wow, what a book. Hope we don't have to wait two years for the next one. OCC: I'm thinking of an outfit to wear to the final release, whenever that happens. Think I'll do a take on some sort of historical witch's robes--Elizabethan gone funky, maybe, so I could be one of the "portraits" at Hogwarts.... --sue Kathryn Parke wrote: > It's not just his term: > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > KP > > > Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:15 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: > >>Kimiko wrote: >> >>>I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on >> >>OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? >>-Helen/Aidan > > > > That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry replicas calls > "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, as in I > haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. > http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm > First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the jewelry I am > looking to get. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 07:48:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HBmtWo009196 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HBmQRg057114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HBmJ1u051948; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HBmDX5051893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9B01CDD28 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 18456-03 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A93FB1CDD25 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011601c58ac5$589d6e70$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:47:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Parke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > KP Me!! Finished it by 12:30 yesterday afternoon. Yowser is right!! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 08:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HCCO2A009734 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HCBunN059491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:11:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HCBtVQ059513; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:11:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HCBp3d059470 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050717121144.DSBP1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:11:44 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.173.98]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050717121144.QVBE1236.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:11:44 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.9.0]); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:11:48 +1200 Message-ID: <007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dresstrim question Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:11:48 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/981/Sun Jul 17 05:38:31 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/981/Sun Jul 17 05:38:31 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Yet another painting question. While I was cruising this web site, I found > another painting that interests me -- it's on the > http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/inspired.htm > page -- 5th painting from the left -- the URL for the painting is > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10780_28a.jpg > > I"ve been searching bildindex.de for 2 days trying to get some information on > this painting -- and I can't figure out how to make it give it to me! I > suspect that it's a self-portrait of Lavinia Fontana, but I'm not certain -- > she is holding a paint palette and brushes -- and the eyes aren't right for it > to be Sofonisba -- although it could be one of her sisters. That's what it says;) (I put image information in the alt tags of the thumbnails, so moving the cursor too quickly will not show it up;) ) Lavinia Fontana, self portrait, 1579 But I'll look on bildindex to see if it cites the place it is housed. Looking for it under Kunstler doesn't bring it up, I think I found it originally via artcyclopedia.com .... hmm.. so I didn't.... I'll have to see if a search will find it.. OK, the image seems to be hard to find, but I did find this: Florenz, öffentliche Sammlung, Galleria Palatina, Palazzo Pitti, Inventar-Nr. del 1890 n.1841 SO it seems the image is lurking in some area, or the links to the image have been taken down due to copyright.. Ooh, I just found a new image;) Sorry.. I can't find it sorry. I'm sure I didn't do anything terribly complicated to find it either... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/50 - Release Date: 16/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 10:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HEqEXo012791 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HEpZtu066916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HEpW3G016036; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6HEpSqW015990 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBPW6CWAWL2XW2 for (sender ); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgpIBVxzexkvSbcl+sfinSt4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KX5BFMJY; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:50:17 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:42:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Message-ID: <20050717.075006.1236.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3847704077 X-MAIL-INFO: 0a0991b5b02414b050f9a5f914d0158d9554d1a9d4393400958dc430ed8dc5f589796495e154a4b5a1a1c199f4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm at Chapter 9. Yowser is right! Obligatory costume content: Did Elizabethans use hatpins? Arlys On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Kathryn Parke writes: > It's not just his term: > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > KP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 11:35:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HFZFrL013575 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HFYuDx069927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HFYt5L033949; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HFYpZF033929 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.128] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DuBAI-0003Dh-2P for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c58ae5$11309e70$80159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b0ecea1b0629f241d9b23f1855346cdc8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.128 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO KP wrote: > It's not just his term: > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > Very cool. A new, accurate, but obsolete, word. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 13:34:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HHYWFS015890 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HHXr21077080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HHXm0K080807; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HEhWmK012784 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJS00MQH0WEZ7ND@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [65.25.20.49]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:43:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:43:26 -0400 From: jaurbik@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question In-reply-to: <42D9E3DC.4080002@in-tch.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> <42D9E3DC.4080002@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'v been at my sister in law's place and we bought the book on sat at sometime in around 12pm, but i have only got about an chapter read as the little ones (7 and 4 year old) keep wanting me to read it to them when i pick up the book. it is torture! :) jordana ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Clemenger Date: Sunday, July 17, 2005 0:51 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question > Yup. In one straight shot, this morning....although I did get a > couple > of chapters into it last night, after I walked home from the > bookstore. > (What can I say? I'm Auld. I fell asleep! ;o) > Wow, what a book. Hope we don't have to wait two years for the > next one. > OCC: I'm thinking of an outfit to wear to the final release, > whenever > that happens. Think I'll do a take on some sort of historical > witch's > robes--Elizabethan gone funky, maybe, so I could be one of the > "portraits" at Hogwarts.... > --sue > > Kathryn Parke wrote: > > > It's not just his term: > > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > > > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > > > KP > > > > > > Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 06:15 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >>Kimiko wrote: > >> > >>>I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am > working on > >> > >>OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > >>-Helen/Aidan > > > > > > > > That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry > replicas calls > > "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, > as in I > > haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. > > http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm > > First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the > jewelry I am > > looking to get. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 15:35:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HJZwbm017632 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HJZEfw085324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HJZ7dN030921; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HJZ1KN030846 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:33:22 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE:HP was [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:35:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWK9m3hStMQSkDOQkarqMGnxMMkZwAD/nZw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2005 19:33:22.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[649ECAC0:01C58B06] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Indeed- My SO said not to read him the good bits- he hasn't got thru "Goblet" or "OOPhoenix" yet. Also name change to thread! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of jaurbik@optonline.net Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:43 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question I'v been at my sister in law's place and we bought the book on sat at sometime in around 12pm, but i have only got about an chapter read as the little ones (7 and 4 year old) keep wanting me to read it to them when i pick up the book. it is torture! :) jordana ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Clemenger Date: Sunday, July 17, 2005 0:51 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question > Yup. In one straight shot, this morning....although I did get a > couple > of chapters into it last night, after I walked home from the > bookstore. > (What can I say? I'm Auld. I fell asleep! ;o) > Wow, what a book. Hope we don't have to wait two years for the > next one. > OCC: I'm thinking of an outfit to wear to the final release, > whenever > that happens. Think I'll do a take on some sort of historical > witch's > robes--Elizabethan gone funky, maybe, so I could be one of the > "portraits" at Hogwarts.... > --sue > > Kathryn Parke wrote: > > > It's not just his term: > > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > > > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > > > KP > > > > > > Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 06:15 PM 7/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >>Kimiko wrote: > >> > >>>I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am > working on > >> > >>OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > >>-Helen/Aidan > > > > > > > > That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry > replicas calls > > "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, > as in I > > haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. > > http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm > > First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the > jewelry I am > > looking to get. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 15:44:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HJiM7t017783 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:44:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HJhwD8085878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HJhvtJ034416; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HJhtIa034398 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m133.in-tch.com [216.166.191.133]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6HJcER24259 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42DAB661.2070100@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:49:53 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question References: <20050717.075006.1236.0.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050717.075006.1236.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just you wait, 'enry 'iggins, just you wait! It get more "yowser" the farther into the book you go, which would go a long way to explaining why I read it straight through. --sue (Ravenclaw '78) Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I'm at Chapter 9. Yowser is right! > > Obligatory costume content: Did Elizabethans use hatpins? > > Arlys > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Kathryn Parke > writes: > >>It's not just his term: >>http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch >> >>Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! >> >>KP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 17:12:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HLCYqg019538 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:12:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HLBr0m092727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HLBoC2069248; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HLBkxU069226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DuGQC-0004MV-HX; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20050717161136.5nltrjqov874wcss@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:11:36 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dresstrim question References: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com> <007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6HLBkxU069226 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> Yet another painting question. While I was cruising this web site, I > found >> another painting that interests me -- it's on the >> http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/inspired.htm >> page -- 5th painting from the left -- the URL for the painting is >> http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10780_28a.jpg >> >> I"ve been searching bildindex.de for 2 days trying to get some information > on >> this painting -- and I can't figure out how to make it give it to me! I >> suspect that it's a self-portrait of Lavinia Fontana, but I'm not > certain -- >> she is holding a paint palette and brushes -- and the eyes aren't right > for it >> to be Sofonisba -- although it could be one of her sisters. > > That's what it says;) (I put image information in the alt tags of the > thumbnails, so moving the cursor too quickly will not show it up;) ) Ah -- that's an IE only trick, I believe. Mozilla and Netscape (to my knowledge) only display the alt= tag before the image loads. There are javascript commands that you can make to a similar thing -- but that displays in the message bar at the bottom of the screen. > > Lavinia Fontana, self portrait, 1579 But I'll look on bildindex to see if it > cites the place it is housed. > > Looking for it under Kunstler doesn't bring it up, I think I found it > originally via artcyclopedia.com .... hmm.. so I didn't.... I'll have to see > if a search will find it.. > > OK, the image seems to be hard to find, but I did find this: > Florenz, öffentliche Sammlung, Galleria Palatina, Palazzo Pitti, > Inventar-Nr. del 1890 n.1841 > > SO it seems the image is lurking in some area, or the links to the image > have been taken down due to copyright.. > Ooh, I just found a new image;) Sorry.. > > > I can't find it sorry. I'm sure I didn't do anything terribly complicated to > find it either... > Oh, don't worry about it that much -- you told me what I wanted to know. Sometimes, you can google for the file name and find the original page -- but that frequently doesn't work of the pages are dynamically generated. If you've got the text in an alt tag, I can just look at the source and pull out the information. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 17:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HLqUYj020438 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6HLq62X096142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6HLq3RT085385; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6HLpxYc085326 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 84076 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 21:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 21:51:53 -0000 Message-ID: <42DAD2F6.5060109@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:51:50 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dresstrim question References: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com> <007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> <20050717161136.5nltrjqov874wcss@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20050717161136.5nltrjqov874wcss@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting michaela : >>> Yet another painting question. While I was cruising this web >>> site, I found another painting that interests me -- it's on the >>> http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/inspired.htm page -- 5th >>> painting from the left I suspect that it's a self-portrait of >>> Lavinia Fontana, but I'm not certain >> >> That's what it says;) (I put image information in the alt tags of >> the thumbnails, so moving the cursor too quickly will not show it >> up;) ) > > Ah -- that's an IE only trick, I believe. Mozilla and Netscape (to > my knowledge) only display the alt= tag before the image loads. OK, I chopped the dickens out of the email, so I hope the attributions are still ok. Anyway! In Firefox you can right click on a image, go to properties, and see the alternate image info that way. Might be the same in Mozilla and Netscape, dunno. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 21:25:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6I1Pjt1027916 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6I1OoLd014787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I1OlMH072218; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I1OiHO072194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DuKMw-0001BG-MP; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:24:30 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <20050717202430.5tle8gcpvooo08cc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:24:30 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dresstrim question References: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com> <007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> <20050717161136.5nltrjqov874wcss@www.goldsword.com> <42DAD2F6.5060109@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42DAD2F6.5060109@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Elizabeth Young : Michaela said .... >>> That's what it says;) (I put image information in the alt tags of >>> the thumbnails, so moving the cursor too quickly will not show it >>> up;) ) >> and I replies >> Ah -- that's an IE only trick, I believe. Mozilla and Netscape (to >> my knowledge) only display the alt= tag before the image loads. > > OK, I chopped the dickens out of the email, so I hope the attributions > are still ok. > Anyway! > In Firefox you can right click on a image, go to properties, and see the > alternate image info that way. Might be the same in Mozilla and > Netscape, dunno. OOOh! IT works! Happy dance! :-) Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 21:56:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6I1uexm028541 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6I1uHwX017477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I1uERl085142; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I1u7kC085094 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050718015601.ZWAT1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:01 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.175.214]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050718015601.BXXY1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:01 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.9.0]); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:06 +1200 Message-ID: <002101c58b3b$dc8ff380$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050716221519.6sl4zylrzqgo0880@www.goldsword.com><007701c58ac8$b53440c0$0301010a@michaela> <20050717161136.5nltrjqov874wcss@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: Spanish influenced Italian (was Re: [h-cost] elizabethandresstrim question Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:06 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >> another painting that interests me -- it's on the > >> http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/inspired.htm > >> page -- 5th painting from the left -- the URL for the painting is > >> http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10780_28a.jpg > >> > Ah -- that's an IE only trick, I believe. Mozilla and Netscape (to my > knowledge) only display the alt= tag before the image loads. There are > javascript commands that you can make to a similar thing -- but that displays > in the message bar at the bottom of the screen. Ahhh good to know:) Thanks, I've been wanting to chop about my site a bit, so I'll have to put those blasted tables back in.... poo. Or simply let people know at the top of each page how to find the information... I don't have right click disabled as I know it ammoys the heck out of me;) > > Lavinia Fontana, self portrait, 1579 But I'll look on bildindex to see if it > > cites the place it is housed. > > Oh, don't worry about it that much -- you told me what I wanted to know. > Sometimes, you can google for the file name and find the original page -- but > that frequently doesn't work of the pages are dynamically generated. > If you've > got the text in an alt tag, I can just look at the source and pull out the > information. I wonder why Mozilla doesn't support it.. It's such a handy little function... Ah well, never mind. I had to get rid of a nifty sliding index page as well because of lack of support a few years back;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/50 - Release Date: 16/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 23:19:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6I3JxvQ030674 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:19:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6I3JMNZ023685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I3JKv3018020; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I3JGrj017996 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DuM9z-0002mt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:19:16 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050717221615.03319ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:19:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200507171800.j6HI0ATD091248@net.indra.com> References: <200507171800.j6HI0ATD091248@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: HP costume content X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of ours is starting a rose-pink pseudo-historical - she's doing the "fat lady" - the entry portrait for Griffindor's quarters. Should be fun! P & S At 01:00 PM 7/17/2005, you wrote: >From: Sue Clemenger > >OCC: I'm thinking of an outfit to wear to the final release, whenever >that happens. Think I'll do a take on some sort of historical witch's >robes--Elizabethan gone funky, maybe, so I could be one of the >"portraits" at Hogwarts.... >--sue "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 17 23:29:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6I3T5Xh030923 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:29:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6I3SiFG024366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I3ShF6021665; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I3Sdx1021643 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.138.153] (dialup-4.249.138.153.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.138.153]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6I3SUqS010107 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:28:32 -0700 Message-ID: <42DB21F5.1040802@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:28:53 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HP costume content References: <200507171800.j6HI0ATD091248@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050717221615.03319ec0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050717221615.03319ec0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > A friend of ours is starting a rose-pink pseudo-historical - she's doing > the "fat lady" - the entry portrait for Griffindor's quarters. Should > be fun! And I think it would be hysterical if she had a (supply) of plastic champagne glasses to offer to break - by stomping on them if she can't shatter them with her voice! -Judy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 02:28:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6I6SrBx012220 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6I6SBS0039460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:28:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6I6S53v094431; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6I6S06q094407 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 5723 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 06:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.6.126) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 06:27:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:35:05 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <42DB21F5.1040802@oldwaylane.net> Message-Id: <13E56026-F756-11D9-804D-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] contacting Diana Habra X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm trying to contact Diana as I owe her for some patterns and have lost her contact details. Thanks Suzi for reminding me that she's on this list. Cheers, Aylwen Garden, Australia http://www.earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 10:20:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IEKW2T012700 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:20:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IEJUHe082496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IEJOMS095657; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IEJMTT095587 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thirling@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so884263nzp for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Sp3ts8P/thxgga1kzaNRZZTrmRdhyRKd5/Ywh6vP3FtM1BPCZEmzVeBLIf53DPHRq3/Tc4GFtCG1z+dF0EH+KXK/QBN/Tula8yQT7/dBudAmbRUhcJV4VNVbHEEzk2eYT2CSauku/YoqhiWhOVsrjTu3ZzuBuf1usL44z9fSJ+0= Received: by 10.36.5.19 with SMTP id 19mr4018781nze; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.12.12 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6c845a44050718071828d81f1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:18:52 -0500 From: Terri Hirling To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507161800.j6GI0Mq2058638@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507161800.j6GI0Mq2058638@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6IEJMTT095587 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 7/16/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > There is a company in England that makes pewter replicas of Tudor jewelry (and other jewelry things, spoons, collars, etc.), and he notes that he makes custom pieces as well. > > http://www.tudorjewels.com/ (for the historical images) > > http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ (to order the same) > > Be aware that Steve Millingham's pieces are very, very heavy, being pewter castings. I have worked with his jewellery, and in fact some of his Anne Boleyn and Henry Vlll pieces were originally designed for a customer of mine. > I'm going to delurk for a moments to comment. I can attest to the quality of Steve's work. I had the privliege of meeting him (and his wife) at his shop (in a 13th century church) in Ludlow, England a couple of years ago. My husband and I found them to be delightful, gracious people, spending a couple of hours with them. I think Steve's work is high quality and worth what he charges for it. When we finally left his shop, I'll admit that I was quite a bit lighter in the pocketbook. I've worn one of his pieces, a reproduction reliquary (sp?) that was commissioned by V&A for their Goth exhibit, several times and everytime I have I've gotten wonderful comments. BTW, he does a lot of commission works for the many of the British museums and historically socitities. Back to lurking. Baroness Isabeau Quiquandon (Terri Hirling) Barony of Stargate Houston, Texas Kingdom of Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 11:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IF5liP013742 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IF5F0V087263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IF5EfA027542; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay06.mail2web.com (xrelay06.mail2web.com [168.144.1.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IF57f5027363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.177] (helo=M2W068.mail2web.com) by xrelay06.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DuXAr-0005il-CF for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005711815453352@M2W068.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:04:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6IF57f5027363 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO wrote: > > There is a company in England that makes pewter replicas of Tudor jewelry (and other jewelry things, spoons, collars, etc.), and he notes that he makes custom pieces as well. > > http://www.tudorjewels.com/ (for the historical images) > > http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ (to order the same) > > Be aware that Steve Millingham's pieces are very, very heavy, being pewter castings. I have worked with his jewellery, and in fact some of his Anne Boleyn and Henry Vlll pieces were originally designed for a customer of mine. > I'm going to delurk for a moments to comment. I can attest to the quality of Steve's work. I had the privliege of meeting him (and his wife) at his shop (in a 13th century church) in Ludlow, England a couple of years ago. My husband and I found them to be delightful, gracious people, spending a couple of hours with them. I think Steve's work is high quality and worth what he charges for it. When we finally left his shop, I'll admit that I was quite a bit lighter in the pocketbook. I've worn one of his pieces, a reproduction reliquary (sp?) that was commissioned by V&A for their Goth exhibit, several times and everytime I have I've gotten wonderful comments. I have no quibble with the quality of Steve Millingham's work, but all the Henry Vlll and Jane Seymour jewellery was originally designed and made for my costumes. The large sleeve ouches are very heavy, when you sew 40 or more on to fine sleeve fabric, and the small ouches and neck trimmings have to be sewn to firm fabric in order not to sag. Given the option, I would choose lighter jewels, and these do tend to weigh down some items of costume. The later pendants, and the necklaces are quite exquisite, but I have not had the opportunity to use them. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 11:25:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IFPb0U014248 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:25:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IFOoNE089608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IFOiFn042864; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IFOa49042708 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6IFOTw27828.; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:24:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:24:29 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:24:11 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6IFPb0U014248 Status: RO That's interesting. Steve's work is really too early for the period I do, but as I spend a week in the Ludlow area every August, a few years ago I thought I would look for his workshop out of curiosity. I located it in a tiny, remote village, but a notice outside said it was not open to the public. (I have since seen his stall at a reenactors' market.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> thirling@gmail.com 18/07/2005 15:18 >>> wrote: I'm going to delurk for a moments to comment. I can attest to the quality of Steve's work. I had the privliege of meeting him (and his wife) at his shop (in a 13th century church) in Ludlow, England a couple of years ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 13:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IHe2R8017285 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IHctjE006037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IHcDgM051769; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IHbeov051350 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DuZYg-000EbE-7w for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:37:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:05:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 449 References: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b.48faf9c7.30054406@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stick a pin across where you want to stop. I always do that to avoid ripping the stitching when opening up machined buttonholes. Jean Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote >but I was alway taught at college not to use seam rippers for slashes and >buttinholes, as it takes extreme care to avoid going further than intended. >(that said, I never had that problem.) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 16:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IKmu2T022034 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:48:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IKm8sl028211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IKlwG6019240; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f22.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IEfTGF009813 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:41:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.203 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:41:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.203] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com From: "C M" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:41:00 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 14:41:00.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7454790:01C58BA6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/982/Sun Jul 17 06:45:12 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Real 100% silk velvet found! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I have finally managed to find 100% silk velvet, back and pile. Since I work in a lab, I usually put my fabric samples under the microscope to make sure they are what they pretend to be. So far, no "silk velvet" has passed any test until last week. It is available in white only, from a supplier in Germany for €57 per meter (that's about $69) and it's 140 cm wide. The website is http://www.gewand-und-tand.de/samt.php. It's quite fine (190g/m), which makes it lighter, but not finer than the usual "silk chiffon velvet" with the rayon pile, but the feel is infinitely better than any rayon pile velvet could ever be. The silk pile reflects the light a bit randomly, not like a rayon pile, which *seems* to be denser, due to the rayon fibres being thicker in diameter than silk. The lady in Germany is very helpful, she'll send out samples for €0.50 if you send her a prepaid and addressed envelope. Cheers, Caithlinn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 18:01:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IM1jBA023377 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IM1ASD036741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IM11EY076412; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.102]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6IM0vii076318 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78826 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2005 22:00:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BqRdTvClvpw+96QM+BN3HHeriuoZWDMD5V+VmuMcybsM4dxZuReALCw9kGyT5bZsPXZ4uMGTWF6Bb5gjA+brpDXkMLl+bqV/nL2K1p/aSpjOBIRRGjQ0G7hp6tUMFO7BwJnlg5QbZ0xBdQLfTbtR6HnHRSgwvBsVgv0pkkzr6Oo= ; Message-ID: <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:00:35 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:00:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello All, I joined a few weeks ago and have been lurking about and enjoying reading the different topics, finally ready to speak up. Have some questions and comments, but will give a short intro first. I have always been interested in historical and vintage costume. Love the Medieval period, especially the early to mid, (just starting to get involved with the SCA), but also have interest in Renaissance, "Highland", latter 1800's/US Civil War era and Victorian, early 20th century to 1940's, and just about anything else. Also planning a Medieval/Celtic themed wedding for next year. The groom doesn't care about period accuracy, just wants to wear his kilt (I know, but...). I am interested in reasonable accuracy for the other clothing. If I am going to make the expense, I want to have things that can be later used for SCA events. Questions: Does anyone know where I can find a pattern for a Ghillie or "Jacobite" shirt or something of the sort (the more period appropriate the better), and a pattern for what is referred to as a 'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the highland catalogs? Two books I have been resourcing from (in addition to the multitude of web pages out there!) are "Medieval Costume in England and France: the 13th, 14th, and 15th Centuries" by Mary Houston, and "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions on these two books? And does anyone know of other resources that show more of the French take on fashions of the period? Is there anyone on the list from the Seattle area (or Vancouver, BC)? I'm hoping to find some 'local' resources for appropriate fabrics as most everything here (Bellingham) is either devoted to quilting, or are multipurpose craft stores that carry limited garment fabrics (some of the home decorating fabrics are gorgeous though). Comments: T-shirts as undershirts - Weren't t-shirts under a man's shirt the "proper" dress until some Hollywood actor went without in a movie in the 50's? James Dean or Brando I think. Fashion future - I think the traditional sari outfit is beautiful. And it looks quite comfortable. There is some RTW that seem to have adapted this to 'modern' clothing. As for HPHBP - sshhhhh - the only time I get to read is just at bed time and I keep falling asleep! Only to chapter two so far. :-) Cheers, Annette __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 18:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6IMrET2024320 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6IMpqi9042723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IMpoJk049103; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IMpe8Z048975 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.64.594c1fd0 (18707) for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <64.594c1fd0.300d8c75@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:51:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 467 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good point - never thought of that (duh!). Most of the time use v. sharp snips, cos a seam ripper doesn't always go through all the layers (greatcoats, jacks, etc) Debbie. In a message dated 7/18/05 9:53:56 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Stick a pin across where you want to stop. I always do that to avoid > ripping the stitching when opening up machined buttonholes. > > Jean > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 19:48:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6INmITK025385 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:48:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6INlnHr047695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6INlkrL081480; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6INlfYZ081424 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-30143); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:47:27 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:47:27 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050718164558.022913c0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:47:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <64.594c1fd0.300d8c75@aol.com> References: <64.594c1fd0.300d8c75@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cutting buttonholes, was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 467 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found that the buttonhole "chisel" is wonderful. Nice, straight cut, goes through however many layers you have. Joan At 03:51 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >Good point - never thought of that (duh!). Most of the time use v. sharp >snips, cos a seam ripper doesn't always go through all the layers >(greatcoats, >jacks, etc) > >Debbie. > >In a message dated 7/18/05 9:53:56 PM GMT Daylight Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > Stick a pin across where you want to stop. I always do that to avoid > > ripping the stitching when opening up machined buttonholes. > > > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 20:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6J0I6hA025978 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6J0G7wO050047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J0G5e6095755; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J0G1d9095692 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.62.5921becc (4362) for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <62.5921becc.300da03b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:15:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cutting buttonholes, was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 467 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like to use an exacto-knife...not the big box cutter ones but the kind that are like a scalpel. They make great seam rippers too. I never use a seam ripper. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 18 23:04:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6J34oha029373 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:04:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6J34CUd062295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J349XS078385; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J345aI078325 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:03:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:03:59 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 03:04:00.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[8308F400:01C58C0E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cotton velveteen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6J34oha029373 Status: RO JoAnne's has a new cotton velveteen that they call corduroy velvet and it is on sale (probably till Saturday) for 2.99 a yard. It is with the rest of the corduroys. It It is probably a little thinner than their regular cotton velvet but on a warm day like today, that seems like a desirable property. The clerk in my store told me it wasn't on sale like the rest of the corduroys, but I had her scan it and the computer came up 2.99. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 00:45:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6J4j7vb031525 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6J4icRe071049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J4iYcC024597; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6J4iS6i024509 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 7306 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 04:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.3.25) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 04:44:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:51:36 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton velveteen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Online its advertised at 8.99/yd - boy I wish someone could get some of the camel for me at the 2.99 price! Cheers, Aylwen On Tuesday, July 19, 2005, at 01:03 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > JoAnne's has a new cotton velveteen that they call corduroy velvet and > it is on sale (probably till Saturday) for 2.99 a yard. It is with > the rest of the corduroys. It It is probably a little thinner than > their regular cotton velvet but on a warm day like today, that seems > like a desirable property. The clerk in my store told me it wasn't on > sale like the rest of the corduroys, but I had her scan it and the > computer came up 2.99. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 04:58:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6J8w1l7018205 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:58:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6J8vLhK088148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J8vHEl028673; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J8vDwK028609 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0117.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.118]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA6ABE6D5 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:57:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42DCC068.7080303@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:57:12 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bustle gown in progress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was working on my bustle gown and I thougt it would be nice to post some pictures. I don't have nice pictures yet of the chemise. I have some pictures of the silk corset but I am wearing it with a fantasy costume. Unfortionally you can't really see the white embroidery I made on it. Look at the pictures of the black and white fairy. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Fairy/Fairy.html I made the bustle, petticoat and skirt. And today I will start on the bodice. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html For the petticoat, skirt and bodice I used Truly Victorian patterns. The bustle I made from a drawing in Corsets and Crinolines. It is a bit sweet those purples... Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 09:24:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JDOisO010947 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JDO7LK019528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JDO4nr040533; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6JDO1qo040509 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 4943 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 13:23:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:23:29 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1149.67.188.164.116.1121779441.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42DCC068.7080303@kabelfoon.nl> References: <42DCC068.7080303@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle gown in progress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/984/Tue Jul 19 03:16:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/984/Tue Jul 19 03:16:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I made the bustle, petticoat and skirt. > And today I will start on the bodice. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > For the petticoat, skirt and bodice I used Truly Victorian patterns. > The bustle I made from a drawing in Corsets and Crinolines. > > It is a bit sweet those purples... What a fun outfit! And it looks great :~> What are you making it for? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 09:50:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JDohqS011537 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:50:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JDoJpq021753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JDoGP5055063; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JDoCq3054952 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0117.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.80.118]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37922BE949 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42DD0512.1060005@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:50:10 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle gown in progress References: <42DCC068.7080303@kabelfoon.nl> <1149.67.188.164.116.1121779441.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1149.67.188.164.116.1121779441.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/984/Tue Jul 19 03:16:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/984/Tue Jul 19 03:16:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >What a fun outfit! And it looks great :~> What are you making it for? > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > > It is for an Archery competition in an openair museum in the Netherlands. I promised to come in costume since this is the 10th time they organise the competition. And they like people to come in style of the museum. "The museum offers an image of daily life in the Netherlands between 1700 an 1970" http://www.openluchtmuseum.nl/Algemeen/engels-01.html The Competition is for Archers who shoot with wooden bows and wooden arrows. In the 19th century archery became very popular for women. And my bow is like the bows that were used in the 19th century. So I found it a good excuse to make this dress. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 15:10:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JJACMF018272 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JJ9T3v069983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JJ9KOU009171; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JJ902W008954 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from wamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.25]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DuxSd-0005Z7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:08:59 -0400 Message-ID: <32123506.1121800139051.JavaMail.root@wamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:08:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Future garments again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last winter, on a day that wasn't good for much else, I went through the LL Bean Christmas catalog and circled all the products NOT marked "imported." Less than ten percent of the total. VERY disillusioning. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer ---------------------- >> It's why I try my hardest to avoid the box stores when possible. >> Companies like LL Bean and Pendleton have found niche markets catering >> to a customer that desires a higher quality at a higher price. Unless >> things have changed recently, both companies manufacture mostly in the >> US, with the exception of a few items. >> >> YMMV, >> Althea >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 15:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JJOg9D018547 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:24:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JJO5ZT071652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JJO3m5020484; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JFcEOi034959 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 (rwcrwbc78.asp.att.net[204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005071915384201300rjqppe>; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:43 +0000 Received: from [67.168.11.167] by 204.127.197.119; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:41 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: aquaterratextiles@yahoogroups.com (Aquaterra Textiles), pastiche@teleport.com (Pastiche), h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), raphaellad@yahoo.com (Raphaella DiContini), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:38:41 +0000 Message-Id: <071920051538.15167.42DD1E810001AAA200003B3F22007613940809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: Secret report stolen from the costumer's guild X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Really funny....Enjoy!!! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares Subject: Secret report stolen from the costumer's guild Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:33:41 +0000 Scientific Study Reveals Hypnotizing Effect A recent study has indicated that fabric gives off certain Pheromones, that actually hypnotize women and cause them to purchase ungodly amounts. When stored in large quantities in enclosed spaces, the Pheromones (in the fabric) cause memory loss and induce the nesting syndrome (similar to the one squirrels have before the onset of winter, i.e. storing food), therefore perpetuating their species, and not having a population loss due to their kind being cut up into pieces and mixed with others. Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few of breed of women known as 'Costumers'. When played backwards on an LP, the sounds are heard as chants 'buy me, cut me, sew me!" In order to overcome the so-called 'feeding frenzy effect' that these fabrics cause, one must wear a face mask when entering a storage facility and use ear plugs to avoid being pulled into their grip. (One must laugh, however, at the sight of customers in a fabric store, with WW2 army gas masks and headphones!). Studies have also indicated that aliens have inhabited the earth, helping to spread the effect that these fabrics have on the human population. They are called FABRIC STORE CLERKS. It's also been my experience that these same Pheromones cause a pathological need to secret these fabric purchases away when taken home (or at least blend them into the existing stash), and when asked by a significant other if the fabric is new, the reply is "I've had it for a while". (Originally published in August 1997 in the Western North Carolina Quilters Guild Newsletter) Youth is when we are always hunting greener pastures, and middle age is when we can barely mow the one we've got. [Uh oh; nowadays I have someone else mow it for me!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 15:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JJSfCc018631 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JJSEHu072293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JJS95c023835; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6JJS3mr023641 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005071915275727432 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:27:57 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j6JJRn3D009316 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Indian clothing was: Future garments again Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A90C9B@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90039B3A28@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I walked up & down Oak Tree Rd (Edison/Islin, NJ) there were lots of stores --Granted this was two summers ago, but I got silks and cottons --bargain with the sales staff --"Is this the best you can do?" are great words that I learned from my hubby. There was also a lot of polyester mixed in. I'm sure it's not as large an area as Jackson Heights, but it's a lot closer for me. Kate addresses please!!!!! All I can find is 'Little India' in Islin, NJ. And most of those stores sell the VERY high prices stuff, and polyester stuff. I am looking for more choli's in cotton - not that nasty polyester or knit. Katheryne -------------------------------------- That certainly depends on where you live. I recently moved from Jackson Heights (Queens County, New York City), after almost 30 years there. The place is often referred to as "Little India" and traditional clothes are pretty common except for the kids, who mostly dress like the other kids. The heavy shopping strip consists of: sari/salwar suit store, restaurant, jewelry store, video store, appliance store, repeat, repeat, repeat. The wedding stuff is just amazing. Sundays are the best, when the adult women break out their best saris and kameezes to go out to eat. The fabric and embroidery are to die for. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 17:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JLhZX9021540 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:43:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JLgvIh088534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JLgtdd030172; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JLgoeH030087 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.20] (acty1020.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.20]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CEC5C6F2 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DD73C8.7090204@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:42:32 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740's characters References: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Amen Brother! It seems a shame that Mr Bush's work to help keep drugs out of the hands of regular citizens has ended with folks like this obviously smoking crack...They apparently didn't even have their terminology right, not to mention their budget...Sorry to hear that you lost a gig, but happy you didn't get screwed. Mike T. who avoided Live 8 by the skin of his teeth and didn't lose brain cells to a 36 hour day... AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >STOP the surgers! The gig's off. > >They want us to do it for FREE. That's right, not at a reduced rate >even....or for a nice dinner somewhere even...but Free. > >NOT > >I wonder if the actors, camera crew, lighting grips, and location people are >doing it for FREE. What do you think? > >What is wrong with these people? How experienced can they be in film if they >expect costumes for free? Do they think this is the Middle School play? They >expressed a need for "accuracy and attention to detail." How about the >detail that Mr. Lincoln ended slavery. Get your grandmother to sew something up >for you Bud....I'm outta here! > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 18:02:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6JM2f6Q021937 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6JM2JrL090868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JM2HTB044429; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JM2DMa044370 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.20] (acty1020.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.20]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937CE5C6CB for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DD7855.4010007@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:01:57 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. I can second Suzi's enthusiastic support of Spike (Steve) and his wife. He was kind enough to allow a random American reenactor to share his home (church) some years ago, and I am in awe of his skill in reproducing interesting historical items. I am also an avid customer of his. I was able to phone him when I visited, so perhaps he was away at an event that weekend, Kate? BTW, his spoons do enter into our period, and I think he still does his repro Charles I coin sets... Cheers, Mike T. Kate M Bunting wrote: >That's interesting. Steve's work is really too early for the period I do, but as I spend a week in the Ludlow area every August, a few years ago I thought I would look for his workshop out of curiosity. I located it in a tiny, remote village, but a notice outside said it was not open to the public. (I have since seen his stall at a reenactors' market.) > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 20:53:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K0r4tl024479 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K0qFwq010157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K0q5jj047501; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K0q3HN047449 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:51:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42D67FFD.8030408@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tunic terminology Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:52:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 00:51:57.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B1ED710:01C58CC5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets > "T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if the > skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me? To me "T" is about the shape, or absence of a shape, of the sleeve, combined with the fact that the main piece is a rectangle (to which I add side gores because I'm a woman and it has to be long and I want to be able to walk). I doubt anyone can really give a definition of what a T-tunic is.... Some things we call T-shirts aren't really T-shirts anymore, with the way the sleeves are cut on most women's tees these days... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 21:15:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K1Fr2F024843 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K1FYnc011918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K1FXs1058735; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K1FUe9058676 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:15:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050717032042.21907.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:16:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 01:15:25.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[822DE1C0:01C58CC8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > Yeah, I agree with you there! Phew! (Incidentally, HP is the reason I'm so late in answering many threads... every time one comes out, the world stops turning...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 21:37:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K1bhFc025218 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K1bKpQ013935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K1bI9O069631; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6K1bEcM069607 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 4461 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 02:07:47 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:07:47 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1213.67.188.164.116.1121823434.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42DD73C8.7090204@dandy.net> References: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> <42DD73C8.7090204@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Good costume movie recommendation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone! I just finished watching a wonderfully accurate movie called "The Last King" made by the BBC in 2003. It is about the life of Charles II of England and stars Rufus Sewell. What a good movie! It is almost completely historically accurate (based on what I read in my reference books) AND had good costuming. How often do we get those two things in the same movie? It is a period that I know little about (and I still don't understand the meaning of the title) but it is very interesting and the costumes are lovely. I recommend it! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 22:27:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K2Rlc3025975 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:27:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K2Nchc017252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2NawW091159; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2NV2m091118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dv4Et-0006P0-Tn for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:23:15 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:23:15 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:23:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good costume movie recommendation Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:23:01 -0600 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <207.5042c6b.3008fc15@aol.com> <42DD73C8.7090204@dandy.net> <1213.67.188.164.116.1121823434.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0Ftu3Dgtb8p63ibmel6aIPZQAa4= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Diana Habra" writes: > > I just finished watching a wonderfully accurate movie called "The Last > King" made by the BBC in 2003. > > What a good movie! It is almost completely historically accurate (based > on what I read in my reference books) AND had good costuming. I dunno--they simplified the Oates plot quite a bit. And I think that the 'young Charles' period clothing looked way too faux-Elizabethan to be right for the period, although I could be wrong. > It is a period that I know little about (and I still don't understand > the meaning of the title) but it is very interesting and the costumes > are lovely. It's called 'The Last King' because Charles II was the last English king to rule without a parliament. One would wish that Elizabeth II had the guts to do the same; it would have saved a lot of bother. -- Robert Uhl My Hope is the Father, my Refuge is the Son, my Shelter is the Holy Spirit. O Holy Trinity, our God, glory to Thee! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 22:35:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K2ZdX6026385 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:35:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K2WZOL017980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2WYSv095249; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2WRJP095181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:32:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6K2WQG7030099 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:32:26 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Got my book Saturday afternoon (darn postman is running late. Couldn't start til 9pm. 5:20am Sunday morning I finished it and tried to sleep. Good thing it came out on a Saturday! Next time I'll stand in line and get my copy early! I'm half way through the re-read to pick up a few of the many things I missed the first time. Then I'll get the CD's with Jim Dale (worth it, believe me!) so I can go to sleep listening to it with a proper British accent. Regina P.S. Anyone else wondering if Dumbledor was pleading with Snape not to kill him or if he was pleading with Snape to kill him and maintain his cover? Was it really Sirius Blacks brother Regulas who stole the locket? Is it the locket they found in the house? > > > Anybody else finished the new Harry Potter yet? Yowser! > > > > Yeah, I agree with you there! Phew! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 19 22:57:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K2vw1k026765 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K2vXEV020683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2vWgf008617; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K2vTpN008548 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.110]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050720025722.ZQIH23474.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:57:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c58cd6$60e5f3a0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:54:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey! Shhhhhh! I won't be picking the book up for quite a while, tell me nothing. Sheridan > Regina > > P.S. Anyone else wondering if Dumbledor was pleading with Snape not to kill > him or if he was pleading with Snape to kill him and maintain his cover? > > Was it really Sirius Blacks brother Regulas who stole the locket? Is it the > locket they found in the house? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 02:17:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K6HW7U003047 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:17:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K6GHVP032335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K6GBIx089678; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K6G8Rg089654 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E58151CE5 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:15:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking In-Reply-To: <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:00 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a pattern for a Ghillie or "Jacobite" >shirt or something of the sort (the more period appropriate the better), >and a pattern for what is referred to as a 'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the >highland catalogs? Hello Annette, I am not sure about the rest of your questions, especially the costume books, as I have not read those nor is French my thing. However, on Scottish attire, that I know some things about, as I did 16th century re-enactment for a decade or so. Ghillies (or gillies), when not talking about a male attendant on a Chief, is generally talking about shoes. However, you asked about a "Jacobite" shirt as well, so I am not positive what exactly you are asking for. Were you asking about a shirt style? You also mention that you are interested in using the wedding outfits for SCA purposes afterwards. However, anything Jacobite related Scotswear is much later than 16th century, which is my understanding the cutoff points for SCA purposes (I am not in the SCA, but that was my understanding. Please correct me if I am incorrect.) I don' recall exactly the dates for the Jacobite rebellions, but I know there was a ban soon afterwards that is recorded in 1747 in my book. Do you have a specific time frame you are going for? As to a "'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the highland catalogs", I couldn't even begin to guess what style exactly that would mean. Do you have an online link to something in mind? A picture would definitely help here. If you are interested in period history on Scottish attire, especially from the highlands, check your local or college library for _Old Highland Dress and Tartans_ by H.F. McClintock. This is a partial book of a larger book called _Old Irish and Highland Dress_ which also has a revised book that added something like _... and that of the Isle of Man_ or something like it. Any of the three will get you more info on Scottish attire from as early a written history as they had (very little prior to the 16th c., a smattering in the 16th c., and much more of later times). There are a few other books out there, but this was the one I used most frequently as McClintock quotes original works as much as possible. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 04:22:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6K8LxIk004059 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:21:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6K8LQWo040296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K8LNgF040342; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6K8LJe4040268 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6K8LDm25280.; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:21:12 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:21:00 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pewter Replicas was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6K8LxIk004059 Status: RO No criticism intended. The previous poster referred to a shop in Ludlow, which surprised me as I was only aware of the village workshop which isn't officially open to the public. I didn't attempt to make contact as I had only gone there out of idle curiosity, not to buy anything in particular. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mikes@dandy.net 19/07/2005 23:01 >>> Hi, All. I can second Suzi's enthusiastic support of Spike (Steve) and his wife. He was kind enough to allow a random American reenactor to share his home (church) some years ago, and I am in awe of his skill in reproducing interesting historical items. I am also an avid customer of his. I was able to phone him when I visited, so perhaps he was away at an event that weekend, Kate? BTW, his spoons do enter into our period, and I think he still does his repro Charles I coin sets... Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 11:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KFuoT8002783 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KFt2Vw089766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KFsujq072029; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:54:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KEcp7B009299 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17453 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:38:49 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question Thread-Index: AcWM1sqkfJbWeaHdTJSpwwnb4f3zfgAYIjOw From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6KEcp7B009299 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Warning: Spoiler for HP fans! I thought that immediately. Also Fawkes disappeared from Hogwarts after which is curious, seeing as there were wounded defenders. So we may be hearing more from D as he is the only wizard Voldemort(t is silent according to JK Rowling)that Voldemort fears. And what was in what D drank and insisted Harry make him drink it all, no matter what? JKR has always had D insist that he would trust Severus Snape with his life(possible multiple meanings here) On a costuming bent: always note that JK Rowling describes what the characters are wearing--what is the significance of D's robes? Cindy Abel cynthiaabel@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 12:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KG2QJJ002862 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KG1oCF090575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KG1nUM077798; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KG1mb8077704 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so1451415nzb for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:01:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YhbigXqBUUwHzQxIN4WjJkkFo8pLqftkxTIXDM6qHz4i4jwKG3mJcj9YsejTAjsU/+qD269treJuWtQN2rbb+HFt5r4oIkqVxHEeIePf5Om5YwuNpKTvi0TNHBoJt9KpvEE0ZDZk0GzfYuR43+6awjXFFzYHnU+h+bpwsmompFs= Received: by 10.36.34.12 with SMTP id h12mr198941nzh; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:01:06 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6KG1mb8077704 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are going to put spoilers, please put several blank lines between "spoiler alert" and the spoiler, or else note spoiler in the subject, please. This is pretty standard practice on lists where spoilers are likely to occur. Thank you. Irmart (who can't get her copy until Friday!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 14:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KICCpo004785 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KIBUxi006436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIBPE2082741; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIBJpx082662 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6KIBefM017380 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:11:40 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.55.205] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-55-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.55.205]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KIB6n7327480 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:11:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050720105712.03404358@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:58:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: spoiler Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >P.S. Anyone else wondering if Dumbledor was pleading with Snape not to kill >him or if he was pleading with Snape to kill him and maintain his cover? Not wondering - think I know. >Was it really Sirius Blacks brother Regulas who stole the locket? Is it the >locket they found in the house? Do Mr. Borgun's initials match? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 14:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KIbes1005120 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:37:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KIbDwQ009048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIb8vH002568; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIavX6002295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F3BD8A94 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 07025-10 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 543FED827C for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01c58d59$f957e520$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter SPOILERS Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:36:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question > Warning: Spoiler for HP fans! > > I thought that immediately. Also Fawkes disappeared from Hogwarts after > which is curious, seeing as there were wounded defenders. So we may be > hearing more from D as he is the only wizard Voldemort(t is silent > according to JK Rowling)that Voldemort fears. And what was in what D > drank and insisted Harry make him drink it all, no matter what? JKR has > always had D insist that he would trust Severus Snape with his > life(possible multiple meanings here) Also note that, at D's funeral, Harry thinks for "one glorious moment" that he saw a phoenix fly out of the flames around the tomb. > > > On a costuming bent: always note that JK Rowling describes what the > characters are wearing--what is the significance of D's robes? Rats, now I have to read it again, as I have forgotten the description of his robes. Oh, the agony... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 14:42:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KIgrte005208 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KIgS0o009669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIgQeM006995; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIgLiT006881 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.110]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050720184215.BHOQ11463.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c58d5a$3831fba0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c58d59$f957e520$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter SPOILERS Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:38:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um, guys? can we please bring the posts back on topic to costuming? And thanks for changing the header. :-) S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter SPOILERS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abel, Cynthia" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:38 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harry Potter was: elizabethan dress trim question > > > > Warning: Spoiler for HP fans! > > > > I thought that immediately. Also Fawkes disappeared from Hogwarts after > > which is curious, seeing as there were wounded defenders. So we may be > > hearing more from D as he is the only wizard Voldemort(t is silent > > according to JK Rowling)that Voldemort fears. And what was in what D > > drank and insisted Harry make him drink it all, no matter what? JKR has > > always had D insist that he would trust Severus Snape with his > > life(possible multiple meanings here) > > Also note that, at D's funeral, Harry thinks for "one glorious moment" that > he saw a phoenix fly out of the flames around the tomb. > > > > > > On a costuming bent: always note that JK Rowling describes what the > > characters are wearing--what is the significance of D's robes? > > Rats, now I have to read it again, as I have forgotten the description of > his robes. Oh, the agony... > > Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 14:46:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KIkZtG005244 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:46:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KIk7AR010081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIk2CL009767; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KIjtZJ009671 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DvJZq-000GRV-98 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:44:28 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Annette, I'm assuming this is roughly the kind of look you're aiming for? https://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/upload/tplt_test_.asp?page=2100002147 the "Jacobean outfit" (authentic? pah!) (The Jacobite rebellions were 1695, 1715 and, most famously, 1745. A "Jacobite style" shirt is generally floppy with a slit neck hole, laced across.) I had a quick look through the main pattern companies, and was surprised that I couldn't find a generic "romantic" kilt outfit. I'm sure I have seen them - maybe it's the wrong season, maybe if you look back over the winter catalogues they might have something? Otherwise you could probably do the shirt and doublet/jerkin/thingy from Butterick B4574, which is a pirate but similar http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4574=x&TI ='b4574'&page=1 (The one shown is about 2 sizes too big for the chap wearing it, I reckon!) You need to make the sleeve caps smaller, only about 3 inches wide at the shoulder. But as Kimiko says, this kind of thing really isn't authentic. The best thing is to look at the period sources and try to find a compromise between what is authentic and what your chap wants to wear. You can get away with a late 16th century doublet and shirt worn with the Great Kilt - if he has a modern kilt he wants to wear for the wedding, you can replace it with a Great Kilt (if he's brave) or hose for SCA use. Jean Kimiko Small wrote >At 03:00 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: >>Does anyone know where I can find a pattern for a Ghillie or >>"Jacobite" shirt or something of the sort (the more period appropriate >>the better), and a pattern for what is referred to as a 'Frontier' >>Gilet/doublet in the highland catalogs? > > >Hello Annette, > >I am not sure about the rest of your questions, especially the costume >books, as I have not read those nor is French my thing. However, on >Scottish attire, that I know some things about, as I did 16th century >re-enactment for a decade or so. > >Ghillies (or gillies), when not talking about a male attendant on a >Chief, is generally talking about shoes. However, you asked about a >"Jacobite" shirt as well, so I am not positive what exactly you are >asking for. Were you asking about a shirt style? > >You also mention that you are interested in using the wedding outfits >for SCA purposes afterwards. However, anything Jacobite related >Scotswear is much later than 16th century, which is my understanding >the cutoff points for SCA purposes (I am not in the SCA, but that was >my understanding. Please correct me if I am incorrect.) I don' recall >exactly the dates for the Jacobite rebellions, but I know there was a >ban soon afterwards that is recorded in 1747 in my book. Do you have a >specific time frame you are going for? > >As to a "'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the highland catalogs", I couldn't >even begin to guess what style exactly that would mean. Do you have an >online link to something in mind? A picture would definitely help here. > >If you are interested in period history on Scottish attire, especially >from the highlands, check your local or college library for _Old >Highland Dress and Tartans_ by H.F. McClintock. This is a partial book >of a larger book called _Old Irish and Highland Dress_ which also has a >revised book that added something like _... and that of the Isle of >Man_ or something like it. Any of the three will get you more info on >Scottish attire from as early a written history as they had (very >little prior to the 16th c., a smattering in the 16th c., and much more >of later times). There are a few other books out there, but this was >the one I used most frequently as McClintock quotes original works as >much as possible. > >hth, > >Kimiko > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 15:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KJWx7T005614 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KJW5v9015248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KJVssI044884; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KJVoNC044717 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DA43C94B for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:31:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42DEA6DD.90404@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:32:45 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jacobite/ Scottish (was - newbie delurking) References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > I had a quick look through the main pattern companies, and was surprised > that I couldn't find a generic "romantic" kilt outfit. I'm sure I have > seen them - maybe it's the wrong season, maybe if you look back over the > winter catalogues they might have something? There's Butterick 4486, which has those shirts with lacing up the front. It's new so it's probably still in stores. Simplicity put out a "Scottish" renfest set for men a while back, it's number 8913. I do not know if it is still in print. It's older and due to be pulled if it's not gone already. Simplicity 5029 is a recent pattern for a modern kilt, jacket, and sash. It should be available, if not it's worth contacting the company to see if they have any left in the warehouse they can sell you direct. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 15:33:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KJXN6k005620 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KJX2dU015339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KJWvBZ045621; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.176] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KJWo2J045532 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF433C663 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 935F3D40A for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:32:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c58d5a$3831fba0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Harry Potter SPOILERS and costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well it sort of was on topic with D's robes. I have a question. Do the movie costumes match the books' description? De Who has not read any of the books, though loves the movies. -----Original Message----- Um, guys? can we please bring the posts back on topic to costuming? And thanks for changing the header. :-) S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 16:31:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KKV7vJ006101 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KKUWuX022332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KKUPEA092237; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KKUIlU092152 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6KKUdfM002583 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:30:39 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.55.205] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-55-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.55.205]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KKUCTI556548 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:30:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050720132912.02513a40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:29:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Harry Potter SPOILERS and costumes In-Reply-To: References: <001901c58d5a$3831fba0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Well it sort of was on topic with D's robes. >I have a question. Do the movie costumes match the books' description? They tried. But there's only so much you can do with words, a picture traditionally being worth a thousand of them. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 17:17:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KLHUdJ006610 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KLEZh5027917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KKjndr004250; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KKjEDc003756 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.67.492f78fa (15898) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R39 (fwm-r39.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.143]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a42deb7c924e; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:44:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:44:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8C75B83068389B9-7DC-3ADA7@FWM-R39.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507171800.j6HI0ATE091248@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:44:57 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507171800.j6HI0ATE091248@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.143 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ouches (was Elizabethan dress trim question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This word appears in the King James Bible (Numbers, I think, in the description of the Ephod), with apparently the same meaning; so how's that for a source? Tea Rose ================================ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:35:57 -0400 From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan dress trim question To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <380-2200570173355777@M2W067.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Kimiko wrote: >> I also need "ouches" or > something similar for the hats I am working on > >OK, I'll bite- what are "ouches"? > -Helen/Aidan That's what the creator (Steve Millingham) of the jewelry replicas calls "dress jewels (ouches) ". I am not sure why he calls them that, as in I haven't seen a source for the name other than at his site. http://www.tudorjewels.com/princess%20elizabeth.htm First jewelry pic you come across. It's what I want for the jewelry I am looking to get. Steve Millingham got the word from my customer who got it from me, who got it from Annie the Pedlar who did the research for my Elizabeth figure. I imagine she has sources for it, as she did a great deal of research before making the jewellery for me. Suzi ============================================= KP wrote: > It's not just his term: > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ouch > Very cool. A new, accurate, but obsolete, word. Thanks, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 17:51:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out1.indra.com [204.144.142.21]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KLpKhp006957 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KLojtk031674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KLoarj055922; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KLoTIV055802 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFC5146B for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720144322.0351a110@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:50:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pewter Replicas was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you all for sharing your stories about Steve and his wife, not to mention the jewelry he makes. Thank you Suzi for mentioning Annie the Pedler as well. I am all to aware of how heavy metal jewelry will be for the hats, which is something I am very worried about. If only it could look like gold, feel like gold, but weigh as light as a feather. I do want a good reproduction of the jewelry that I intend on wearing, but for the hat I may have to go with something lighter, even if it isn't quite portrait perfect. I don't know if buckram and wire can hold up to several metal pieces... which makes me wonder how they did hold up to a lot of metal pieces, especially if they were really big gold "ouches" with stones as the portraits show. Is there a support under there that we are missing just looking at the hoods? I will keep looking around for my project, and see if I can find anything suitable for the French hood. Wish me luck! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 18:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out1.indra.com [204.144.142.21]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KMH9h2007226 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KME5Vh034063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KLgsYX050342; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KLgVRB050050 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452285DB8D for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720141542.0351af48@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:40:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking In-Reply-To: References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:44 AM 7/20/2005, you wrote: >You can get away with a late 16th century doublet and shirt worn with the >Great Kilt - if he has a modern kilt he wants to wear for the wedding, you >can replace it with a Great Kilt (if he's brave) or hose for SCA use. > >Jean Mmmmmmm... great kilts. I so love a man who wears great kilts. That's one reason why I married my husband. :-) Now if I could just get him to wear them around the house or something. {sigh} And there's one way to get a man to wear any kilt, great or modern. That's to appreciate them fully while they wear it. Believe me, we used to have loads of guys wanting to wear kilts at our various local faires because all the women just went for the guys in them. Bonny Knees contests were very popular. Ah, those were the days I miss, when I was young and ... well young. ;-) ... but I digress. There is a pattern from Folkwear patterns (#152) that includes the kilt, shirt and jacket, but it is definitely modern in styling. I have never used the pattern, and I've heard over the years that it wasn't worth getting, but I am not positive why other than it was hard to follow. Simplicity has #5029 (modern) and #8913 (faux historic), and the other big companies may have something similar. The great kilts we used in faire (theatrical use, not strictly period) were hand pleated and belted onto the wearer every time (hint, use a weight lifter's belt if they wear the kilt for very long. Helps the body distribute the weight of wool better), and shirts were basic rectangular shirts, although I did develop a kilt shirt that had a semi-fitted yoke, and a long wide underskirting gathered to the yoke that helped prevent chaffing under the wool; very helpful for those who went "regimental". I've only recently found a similar type of shirt that was historical, but I don't think it was Scottish (French, or Burgundian from an earlier time??? ... I can't find that link anymore, grrr). hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 18:42:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out1.indra.com [204.144.142.21]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6KMgZOp007492 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6KMft40037638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KMflmd095868; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6KMffa4095764 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8067B1ECC8C; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:41:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.66.181.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.66.181]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B1F941ECC76 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <004801c58d7c$6a4bf0b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c58d59$f957e520$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harry Potter SPOILERS Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:43:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was surprised to find that I was far angrier over Snape (possibly) turning evil than over Dumbledore's death--one of my favorite parts of the series has been this character who by all that's reasonable SHOULD be evil, yet is able to put aside his intense hatred in order to do what's right; not only right for everyone in general, but right for the object of his hatred specifically. I thought it was incredibly brave of the author to create that sort of character in this kind of a book and I'll lose a lot of respect for her if Snape turns out to be truly evil. Bet he won't, though. The way that Dumbledore repeatedly made Harry swear to do whatever Dumbledore said, no matter how much danger that put Dumbledore in, makes me almost certain that Snape had promised the same sort of thing. Not 'please Snape, don't betray me,' but 'please Snape, do what you promised.' Snape's reaction to being called a coward by Harry seems to feed into this theory... obeying Dumbledore under the circumstances certainly wasn't a cowardly act. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 20:12:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L0CZ91008238 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:12:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L0BpDQ055570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0BlNR054736; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0BhEp054693 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE3E76BF88 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:12:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lab coats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an old style Laboratory coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that closes with buttons on the shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even a pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 20:47:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L0lvDm008514 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L0lXMo057892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0lVRG072003; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0lQ1T071935 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joedr@charter.net) Received: from mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.132]) by mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6L0lKRg012269 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:47:20 -0400 Received: from 66-169-188-107.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([66.169.188.107]) by mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2005 19:54:01 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,305,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1147710451:sNHT18137076" Message-ID: <42DEE414.5010805@charter.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:53:56 -0500 From: Joe Robertson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] UNsubcribe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How do I unsubscribe from this list while I am on vacation? I have tried every trick listed on the H-Costume group page and none of them work. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 21:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L15lMU008633 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L15Nx5059785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L15MSA081411; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L15Ha2081372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6L11O5v011612 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:01:24 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:05:17 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> In-Reply-To: <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan wrote: > I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an old style Laboratory > coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that closes with buttons on the > shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). > > Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even a > pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? A quick stab at Google and Froogle shows chef's double breasted chef coats which might be like this, although the early selections were too short. If you keep looking, you might find longer ones. I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with mad scientists.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The Bad Astronomer's Blog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 21:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L1MrAV008860 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:22:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L1MHR5061001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L1MFlM089513; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L1MBru089448 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.27.768d5423 (4312) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <27.768d5423.301052b7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:21:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pewter Replicas was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Spike's work is probably the best repro pewter around. He does all sorts of stuff (the apostle spoons are fabulous, as is all the jewellery) - and his stock goes up to the 18th century, although of course he takes commissions too. In pirates of the carribean it was spike's cutlery they shot out of the cannon (god, what a waste!) I always take some time out at the markets to drool over his stall!! Debs. PS the website is .co.uk, not .com (ie www.pewterreplicas.co.uk :-) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 22:29:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L2TprP009355 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L2T7wh066010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L2T0Sn021183; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L2SvTL021148 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 304616B2E3 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245><007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:29:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even a > > pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? > > A quick stab at Google and Froogle shows chef's double breasted chef > coats which might be like this, although the early selections were too > short. If you keep looking, you might find longer ones. No, it's close but they have two lines of buttons down the front and the ones I am thinking of have one line or none. I was hoping there was a history of lab coats website out there that someone knews about that I can't find. > > I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with mad > scientists.) > Oddly enough, while I've known Kaja (and by extension Phil) off and on for years I'm not a fan. This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was asking what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering what lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend with perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him a coat.\ But thanks, Susan > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 22:34:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L2YpTr009387 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L2YRNj066484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L2YPgd023906; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L2YOkV023896 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so54447rne for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:34:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=BhKDOI3Z/yVnb8NqKRGpYOv7Sx3y3X1gwVXubUPSoeYTr+j21Y73Yd00BYfUkFbbR7dvmB0qFeAcliNo3iCdBJgSDE4RXuVBkTaqU3aKlvAvLOyzzsESF/PVi8LY7jkUdHNySSy2TRrtSLqMrHlT/SjxbLFqRlPPQof9d0Bz/vk= Received: by 10.38.92.14 with SMTP id p14mr992521rnb; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q9u1r3 ([166.102.108.78]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m36sm126505rnd.2005.07.20.19.34.05; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> From: "Kristalor" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245><007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:30:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's not a nehru jacket? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats > > > Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even > a > > > pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? > > > > A quick stab at Google and Froogle shows chef's double breasted chef > > coats which might be like this, although the early selections were too > > short. If you keep looking, you might find longer ones. > > No, it's close but they have two lines of buttons down the front and the > ones I am thinking of have one line or none. I was hoping there was a > history of lab coats website out there that someone knews about that I can't > find. > > > > I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with mad > > scientists.) > > > Oddly enough, while I've known Kaja (and by extension Phil) off and on for > years I'm not a fan. > > This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was asking > what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering what > lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend with > perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him a > coat.\ > > But thanks, Susan > > > > -- > > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 23:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L3VIgi009781 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:31:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L3UeUW070123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3Ubm8048106; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3UYk2048080 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A55B180 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720193947.035e7d08@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:40:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats In-Reply-To: <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:05 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote: >I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with mad >scientists.) Online??? Online???? I love Girl Genius, but I read the books my friend picks up for me. Are you saying that it is available online as well? OOoooohhhh. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 20 23:53:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6L3rLRt009977 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6L3quBC072123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3qtMa058723; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3qpvY058695 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0CE40D28 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 574C7396D; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC3xwTAAHCZwEAAAAB,1d3805ae1eae4efeaebd3ebd74c47e42 Message-Id: <20050721035251.574C7396D@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They were not mythical fourty years ago when my ex-husband was chief med-tech at a hospital lab. I made a half dozen of the miserable things but didn't have a pattern - just used an old one he had bought as a guide. He was very tall and thin and it was difficult to buy uniforms that actually fit him so I made his lab coats. Actually, they were rather spiffy looking, but he was a great looking guy and looked really good in white. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Susan" wrote: From: "Susan" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:12:32 -0700 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] lab coats I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an old style Laboratory coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that closes with buttons on the shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or even a pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 11:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out2.indra.com [204.144.142.22]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LFwoYM017518 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LFw9Rk038954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LFvt8f005949; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LFvk0j005813 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.182.17.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.182.17]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DvdQe-0002XX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:57:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:59:33 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/986/Thu Jul 21 07:47:25 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/986/Thu Jul 21 07:47:25 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The lab coat is a knee-length heavy cotton (usually white) unlined coat/jacket, with side seams split to allow access to trousers pockets, possibly two front pockets with angled openings, and a pocket on the left chest. You could probably use a raincoat pattern along Chesterfield lines (narrow lapels, somewhat high closing) and come pretty close, back kick opening and all. Many doctors still wear these, and so do many college lab instructors. And so did they when I was in college (late '60s), and I imagine well into the past with little change. The set designer in my college theater program also wore them. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Kristalor wrote: > It's not a nehru jacket? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats > > >>>> Does anyone know where I can find more information about these? Or > even >> a >>>> pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? >>> >>> A quick stab at Google and Froogle shows chef's double breasted chef >>> coats which might be like this, although the early selections were >>> too >>> short. If you keep looking, you might find longer ones. >> >> No, it's close but they have two lines of buttons down the front and >> the >> ones I am thinking of have one line or none. I was hoping there was a >> history of lab coats website out there that someone knews about that I > can't >> find. >>> >>> I don't suppose you're a Girl Genius fan, too? (Online cartoon with >>> mad >>> scientists.) >>> >> Oddly enough, while I've known Kaja (and by extension Phil) off and >> on for >> years I'm not a fan. >> >> This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was >> asking >> what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering >> what >> lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend >> with >> perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him >> a >> coat.\ >> >> But thanks, Susan >> >> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 12:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LGCd13017623 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGC12k040334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGBZxp016714; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGB51O016364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-8.sonic.net [209.148.114.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGB3mP010303 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:11:04 -0700 Message-ID: <42DFC91A.1070202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:11:06 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/986/Thu Jul 21 07:47:25 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/986/Thu Jul 21 07:47:25 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was a tech writer for one of Hewlett-Packard's computer research labs, there was a chemistry research lab across the hall. Our department's vending machine was near our door to that hall, and the chemists came in to use it a lot. Yes, they wore white lab coats. They also wore what is apparently the other essential costuming accessory for chemists (and probably mad scientists)--badly stained hands. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > The lab coat is a knee-length heavy cotton (usually white) unlined > coat/jacket, with side seams split to allow access to trousers > pockets, possibly two front pockets with angled openings, and a pocket > on the left chest. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 12:43:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LGhOZX017783 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:43:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGglp0060560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGgf0t041233; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGgZrR041160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6LGce5v023875 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:38:40 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DFD07B.3000205@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:42:35 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Regular lab coats can be had from many places, easily. I got one for my hubby one year; his job title was "Senior Scientist" and I had one embroidered "Senior Mad Scientist" above the pocket in the usual place. However, the shoulder-button type is one I've only seen in Victorian-era-imitation mad scientists. I'll be interested to hear if anyone comes up with a ready-made source. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The Bad Astronomer's Blog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 12:54:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LGsD5D017845 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGrlgU082460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGrj7Y050360; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGreUc050292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:53:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DveIT-0007pZ-Ah; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:53:21 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:53:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20050721115320.x00und5b3c1wowg4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:53:20 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3> <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Ruth Anne Baumgartner : > The lab coat is a knee-length heavy cotton (usually white) unlined > coat/jacket, with side seams split to allow access to trousers pockets, > possibly two front pockets with angled openings, and a pocket on the > left chest. You could probably use a raincoat pattern along > Chesterfield lines (narrow lapels, somewhat high closing) and come > pretty close, back kick opening and all. That's how mine is made. And I embroidered a Trillium on the pocket so that no one would walk of with it. :-S Susan, botanist and occasional lab rat ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 12:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LGuILh017854 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LGtjTJ082719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGtiEX052049; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LGtgOv051954 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so5523wra for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=YNOuBIWDl48p+qtu7KHrketxf/n42SCD4IYs2tvDW0uzAdKvhBAWmfAptPEsAtqCd8wTDEVLjDouQUNs97T6l5dm68ChmaOyBMNzoqfioYGYbWE860+anu2ZI7cxvJUUWUHOo45DdUZPQQngIa2cyqe4chVD8T7SDWeMkw713Q4= Received: by 10.54.43.63 with SMTP id q63mr587120wrq; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q9u1r3 ([166.102.108.25]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 33sm559586wra.2005.07.21.09.54.46; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c58e14$6d536840$196c66a6@q9u1r3> From: "Kristalor" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> <006b01c58d9c$2de00d80$4e6c66a6@q9u1r3><6DE67489-FA00-11D9-B77B-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <42DFD07B.3000205@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://nawtythings.com/halloween/him4.html This one it's probably not really what you are looking for but it's closer than the newer style coats. I know that House of Vamp (a goth company) does a "lab coat" dress. Maybe they have some ideas. http://www.houseofvamp.com/Catagories/dresses/new/labcoatla2_t.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJ7BoA018904 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:07:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJ6Dvb000141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ63Ed055593; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0SW0l062609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DvOvB-0007Bo-D7; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:28:17 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:28:17 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> In-Reply-To: <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Susan : > > I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an old style Laboratory > coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that closes with buttons on the > shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket http://images.google.com/images?q=chef+jacket&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi Sinplicity has a pattern for one. Susan (who's lab coat is just like an Old Fashioned Duster) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:07:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJ7bA8018912 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJ7HIR000241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ7EqB056415; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L0SZvS062594 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6L0STe03149 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:28:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:32:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Spoiler space please!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please folks, have pity on us poor schleps that can't read the book right away. Put space at the top of the messages so we can enjoy our read as much as you obviously are. :D Thanks!! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:08:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJ8EW8018919 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJ7e01000301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ7a1Q056709; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6L16326081729 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21114 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2005 01:05:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JAwfJm9RCCGD79uv17fcEYb0EOUX6EPM89sBaKsf+qqJyXOqc0GcEcksihoJHCJYfTOZycvkMgYJe21OgLknmY4l6LtjKiY0QUExUzh7AofYt4eWg/x5F/yMbLS5dIgasuKiDFm2sJXg1VokAh+KFnGkEXyMC8SGQDz4qbeYzCA= ; Message-ID: <20050721010557.21112.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.23.80] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:05:57 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe look for a chef's coat or pharmacist's, maybe dentist. I've only seen pictures of lab coats back to the turn of the 20th century at my school, and they tended towards large. (women in the chemistry lab; woman's college) My own, personal lab coats when I worked in chemistry were nearly always Huge, as I am a pear-shaped woman, and the coats are cut straight down. not very helpful, sorry. Ann in CT Smith --- Susan wrote: > > I've seen in cartoons, and the like, pictures of an > old style Laboratory > coat (white, high collar, has a flap front that > closes with buttons on the > shoulder - tends to be slightly fitted). > > Does anyone know where I can find more information > about these? Or even a > pattern. Are they real or just a mythical garment? > > Susan ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJ9hvx018928 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJ9EOv000583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ9E1e058056; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3xQRK061524 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EBB4B179EEA; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.5.85.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.5.85]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C7865179D9A for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <009601c58da8$ce7d7dc0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245><007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <00a501c58d9c$0e2864b0$0300a8c0@sc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd be downright shocked if the American Memory collection at the Library of Congress didn't have some pictures of doctors/scientists in the 1920s: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan" > This has two roots - one is that someone on another of my lists was asking > what a female doctor would be wearing in the 20's and I was wondering what > lab coats looked like then. And the other is that I've got a friend with > perfect mad scientist hair and I was thinking of offering to make him a > coat. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJAWuU018937 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJ9v8h000759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ9sKn058764; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L9ttE2016461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6L9q15v017089 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:52:01 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DF712B.8040103@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:55:55 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats OT: GG online References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20050720193947.035e7d08@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720193947.035e7d08@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Online??? Online???? I love Girl Genius, but I read the books my friend > picks up for me. Are you saying that it is available online as well? http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ -- The new series starts at the end of issue 13; will be collected in 'graphic novel' format but not individual issues. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:14:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJEr35018962 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:14:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJE7PO001338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJ95pM057939; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6L3UYuw048081 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E39B1A3 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050720194103.03535ba8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:30:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pewter Replicas was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 463 In-Reply-To: <27.768d5423.301052b7@aol.com> References: <27.768d5423.301052b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6L3UYuw048081 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:21 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote: >Debs. > >PS the website is .co.uk, not .com (ie www.pewterreplicas.co.uk ) Hi Debs, I had that url as well. However, the Tudor Jewels site (www.tudorjewels.com) points to the .com version (http://www.pewterreplicas.com), which appears to be a newer version of the shopping cart program or something. "Copyright © Steve Millingham Pewter Replicas 2005" I wonder why he's running both? Anyone know? And among his things like the jewelry, I want to buy my husband one of the German repro pocket watches, since my husband has to keep the Queen's schedule at faire. Oh, but Steve has too many things actually that I could easily spend money on. {sigh} Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 15:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LJoX4M019230 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:50:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LJnsMj006037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJnq5e090623; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJnjJj090517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6LJjo5v026265 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:50 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:49:46 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket Indra's sending things through in funny order again.... It's not quite a chef's jacket. Those tend to have two rows of buttons. what I think of as the classic has one row, roughly along the nipple line (vertical) with a panel edge just below the collarbones, which may or may not have buttons. Not fully double breasted, although I don't know why not. Here's some images: Mad science mouse: http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Nutcase in white satin version: http://halfass.com/images/madman.jpg GG version: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/promo/banners/girlgenius.08.jpg I don't know if these are what Susan is thinking of, though. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent About 1/4 of men and 1/6 of women leave a bathroom without washing their hands. So wash! And use soap. Just rinsing doesnÕt help, and in fact it hurts; wet hands are a great place for breeding more bacteria. -- The Bad Astronomer's Blog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 16:12:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LKCoOR019409 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LKC8UV008403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LKC3b5006907; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LKBw7J006834 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 982C46D9D6 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007101c58e30$90c1c6c0$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:12:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue posted: > Here's some images: > > Mad science mouse: > http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Yes, this is really close to what I am thinking of, thanks. I looked last night and couldn't find a picture even that good. But I still would kinda like to know if they were based on a real garment. To make it I was thinking of altering a frock coat pattern. A better solution might be to use the frock coat back and alter a chef's coat front to match what I am looking for. I have the folklife pattern, so that would be doable. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 16:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LKFmJr019431 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LKEAJ2008678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJnSXU090297; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LJnNM6090104 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DDD3C82B for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42DFFC3F.4080702@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:49:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats OT: GG online References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20050720193947.035e7d08@64.87.54.245> <42DF712B.8040103@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42DF712B.8040103@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Kimiko Small wrote: > >> Online??? Online???? I love Girl Genius, but I read the books my >> friend picks up for me. Are you saying that it is available online as >> well? > > > http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ -- The new series starts at the end of > issue 13; will be collected in 'graphic novel' format but not individual > issues. > FRACK! Well, that explains why my FLGS hasn't been getting issues lately. Not that it was ever easy to get issues.... I just love the costumes for the series. It'd be great to see a bunch of folks dressed up for this sometime. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 17:07:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LL7NX8019781 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LL6rms014992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LL6oET049872; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LL6lB3049762 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so100494wra for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:06:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YUMbtM+WLvkKdgO1+kBqPyXv392/7cqOrhhRjFnqF/0PIXMDhaZOK8cRQOBGBQGWSnXi/iGDVPt1+Im7hyhl1NXm5yRfvsGwxYU21Z4WCpYtjSoX7SqyPOj/y34C9CeSe2RNti9K+8Q6K9fyJICHKvXm+CAg+OyBubtFz3wRpw0= Received: by 10.54.73.15 with SMTP id v15mr738616wra; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05072113582f98e2fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:55 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats In-Reply-To: <007101c58e30$90c1c6c0$0300a8c0@sc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <007101c58e30$90c1c6c0$0300a8c0@sc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6LL6lB3049762 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wouldn't it be just as easy to alter a regular jacket - extend the one side over the other and add the facings? It wouldn't be much different from changing a center back seam to a center side seam. These lab coats are much closer fitting than the current ones, and I don't remember if there are pockets in them or not. I seem to remember a picture of several people in iron lungs in one room. The nurses are smiling at the camera and the smiling doctors are wearing the lab coats you are talking about. The people in the iron lungs are not smiling. I'm sure that famous picture (from Life Magazine IIRC) would be somewhere online. LynnD Works in a research laboratory On 7/21/05, Susan wrote: > Cynthia Virtue posted: > > Here's some images: > > > > Mad science mouse: > > http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG > > Yes, this is really close to what I am thinking of, thanks. I looked last > night and couldn't find a picture even that good. But I still would kinda > like to know if they were based on a real garment. > > To make it I was thinking of altering a frock coat pattern. A better > solution might be to use the frock coat back and alter a chef's coat front > to match what I am looking for. I have the folklife pattern, so that would > be doable. > > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 17:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LLPMYx019924 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:25:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LLKFTX016565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LKedit029781; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LKeTIq029565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dvhq2-0008Fx-Rk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:40:14 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:40:14 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Cynthia Virtue : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> Sounds like you're thinking about what I think of as a chef's jacket > > Indra's sending things through in funny order again.... Yeah I noticed that .... > > It's not quite a chef's jacket. Those tend to have two rows of buttons. > what I think of as the classic has one row, roughly along the nipple > line (vertical) with a panel edge just below the collarbones, which may > or may not have buttons. Not fully double breasted, although I don't > know why not. > > Here's some images: > > Mad science mouse: > http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd think that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one though. 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Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E01820.3040005@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:48:16 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> Mad science mouse: >> http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG > > Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. I'd > think > that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one > though. And would be dandy as-is for a nearly-right costume, if someone doesn't have a lot of time, or has good enough accessories to carry the rest of it. I looked for the iron lung pictures, and found a lot (shudder, thank you Dr. Salk!) but none with other than center-front button lab coats. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 18:36:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6LMaq4O020534 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:36:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6LMa7wr024993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LMa12K016079; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LMZPbi015668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DvjdJ-0002hl-SX; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:35:13 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20050721173513.mxcogjbsgjs404og@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:35:13 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> <42E01820.3040005@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42E01820.3040005@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Cynthia Virtue : >>> Mad science mouse: >>> http://www.research.usf.edu/cm/pics/mad_scientist.JPG >> >> Oh, *that* jacket! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh. >> I'd think >> that the chef's jacket would be a good place to start for making one though. > > And would be dandy as-is for a nearly-right costume, if someone doesn't > have a lot of time, or has good enough accessories to carry the rest of it. > > I looked for the iron lung pictures, and found a lot (shudder, thank you > Dr. Salk!) but none with other than center-front button lab coats. One of my professors spent a year or so in one when he was about 5. They wouldn't even let him kep his teddy bear. He could see his parents via a mirror over his head. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 20:08:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6M08urI021202 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6M08EJb032986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M08BZv069169; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M0876T069132 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.45] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dvl5C-0007iL-5c for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00c801c58e51$6dfa69f0$2d159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245><007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com><42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:08:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0be1c69082dec33aa082fa1147faf3ef2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think you're referring to a coat with a standing color, buttons across one shoulder, and then down the side of the chest, right? For the long-sleeved version (also long in length), try an image search for pictures of civilian and maybe military doctors from the influenza epidemic of 1918 or any of the polio epidemics pre WWII. The short-sleeved (and shorter) version was standard wear for hospital interns up through the 1960's. Any image search for "Ben Casey" or "Dr Kildare" should turn up plenty of pictures. The short-sleeved version was also worn by dentists and pharmacists up through the 60's and maybe a bit beyond. Disclaimer- look for images from the US; I don't know about the rest of the world. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 22:59:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6M2x8nj022240 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6M2wZk0051211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M2wVW1050700; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M2wR5A050669 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-110-126.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.110.126]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6M2wBgw012497 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:58:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050721220333.00a26d70@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:07:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats In-Reply-To: <00c801c58e51$6dfa69f0$2d159b04@HELENPINTO> References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com> <42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found something close - Went to http://memory.loc.gov , searched for the word "dentist". The last picture on page 4 of the results has something really close. (The one titled "Wilson Dam, Alabama (Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)). Dentist uses the X-ray on a TVA chemical worker") It looks like a zip instead of buttons, but it has the high collar, tight fit and side closure. Sheryl Nance-Durst At 08:08 PM 7/21/05 -0400, you wrote: >I think you're referring to a coat with a standing color, buttons across >one shoulder, and then down the side of the chest, right? >For the long-sleeved version (also long in length), try an image search >for pictures of civilian and maybe military doctors from the influenza >epidemic of 1918 or any of the polio epidemics pre WWII. >The short-sleeved (and shorter) version was standard wear for hospital >interns up through the 1960's. Any image search for "Ben Casey" or "Dr >Kildare" should turn up plenty of pictures. The short-sleeved version was >also worn by dentists and pharmacists up through the 60's and maybe a bit >beyond. >Disclaimer- look for images from the US; I don't know about the rest of >the world. > -Helen/Aidan >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 21 23:54:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6M3skf2022559 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:54:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6M3sHbH055403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M3sFs2076100; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M3sClK076045 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.110]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050722035406.QNLJ28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c58e70$17573640$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com><20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245><007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc><20050720192817.d6dcq4vq45g088c8@www.goldsword.com><42DFFC5A.9060904@thibault.org> <20050721154014.jkx7xr461vmswksg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This looks like what you are looking for, style wise: http://www.antiquescientifica.com/web.civil_war_confederate_surgeon's_coat.htm http://www.braceface.com/medical/images/civil%20war%20surgeon's%20coat.jpg I also tried finding pictures from old silent movies and horror movies, after much head scratching (because I know I have seen them, and I can't remember where...) I came up with this picture of a couple of makeup artists putting Boris Karloff into his Frankenstein paint: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/frankenstein/IIIB2.jpg (IIRC, the short sleeved one should tie in the back) http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/english016/franken/whale.jpg IIRC Dr Finkelstein in Nightmare Before Christmas wears one... Hope this helps, Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 01:43:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6M5hiT5023336 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:43:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6M5h6Vq062411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6M5h3sk021481; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6M5h08u021418 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22953 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 05:42:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LQ256VWc2Ez5sfn9wWeTY2EuRvseCT91hy+87SVpEBJHC0KzQ1jsQnqQiKoSL89AhS9uzGU3XVMgV2yjwT80P/Ud8H6B/DPIMd37ky4wzaskHxv9Kol/qGZwZrqxM3kqJldlh8nUitNa8dmTZw/El8YW2eFYTGyA62//S+uyxJ0= ; Message-ID: <20050722054254.22951.qmail@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.14] by web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:42:54 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050721220333.00a26d70@pop-server.kc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Men's Barbers also were required to wear"appropriate" uniforms in the 50's-60's that were cut in this form, I personaly remember my dentist and Peditrician wearing these tops in the late 50's also Melody --- Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > I found something close - > Went to http://memory.loc.gov , searched for the > word "dentist". > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 11:08:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MF8NcM027037 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:08:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MF7G8e009799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MF7CAJ076779; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MF76F0076712 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EBC301BCBBE; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:07:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.240.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.240]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA1701BCC2B for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:02:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion plates website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6MF8NcM027037 Status: RO Argh. There was a great website with a whole bunch of fashion plates from lots of different eras, which I have bookmarked. However, I've got about 102371 sites bookmarked, so I can't find it! I'm pretty srue it was a university website, but not positive; whatever it was, it was the website of some sort of official or semi-official group, rather than an individual. 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Kimiko - Thank you for the references - the local University ought to have at least one of those books! Yes, Jacobite shirt - I have also seen it refered to as a ghilie shirt, presumably because the opening was laced. I thought I had included a link for the 'doublet', but apparently it didn't show up. I'll try again. http://www.mccallsltd.com/mall/highlandwear/shoppingFrames.htm I know the Jacobite rebellion is too late - but as he wants his outfit for attending Highland games and such, and it's likely no one else at the wedding is going to know or care if it is 'to period', it wasn't vital to be that accurate with his clothes. I wish I could get him to wear a 'great kilt', but he wants his family tartan and the cost is far too prohibitive. I would like to find something from an earlier era for the shirt though. Was thinking of making a variation on the '"T-tunic", but it would require so much tailoring to make it fit well that using a pattern with set in sleeves would probably be easier and quicker. I have the Simplicity 5029, and a modern jacket is planned for later on. I hadn't considered the other because it looked too costumish at first glance. Looking again though and the shirts might be ok. Would a highlander find much use for those big, belled sleeves though? ;-) Anything with a Celtic or Irish flavor would be ok too. Annette >Does anyone know where I can find a pattern for a Ghillie or "Jacobite" >shirt or something of the sort (the more period appropriate the better), >and a pattern for what is referred to as a 'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the >highland catalogs? Hello Annette, I am not sure about the rest of your questions, especially the costume books, as I have not read those nor is French my thing. However, on Scottish attire, that I know some things about, as I did 16th century re-enactment for a decade or so. Ghillies (or gillies), when not talking about a male attendant on a Chief, is generally talking about shoes. However, you asked about a "Jacobite" shirt as well, so I am not positive what exactly you are asking for. Were you asking about a shirt style? You also mention that you are interested in using the wedding outfits for SCA purposes afterwards. However, anything Jacobite related Scotswear is much later than 16th century, which is my understanding the cutoff points for SCA purposes (I am not in the SCA, but that was my understanding. Please correct me if I am incorrect.) I don' recall exactly the dates for the Jacobite rebellions, but I know there was a ban soon afterwards that is recorded in 1747 in my book. Do you have a specific time frame you are going for? As to a "'Frontier' Gilet/doublet in the highland catalogs", I couldn't even begin to guess what style exactly that would mean. Do you have an online link to something in mind? A picture would definitely help here. If you are interested in period history on Scottish attire, especially from the highlands, check your local or college library for _Old Highland Dress and Tartans_ by H.F. McClintock. This is a partial book of a larger book called _Old Irish and Highland Dress_ which also has a revised book that added something like _... and that of the Isle of Man_ or something like it. Any of the three will get you more info on Scottish attire from as early a written history as they had (very little prior to the 16th c., a smattering in the 16th c., and much more of later times). There are a few other books out there, but this was the one I used most frequently as McClintock quotes original works as much as possible. hth, Kimiko I'm assuming this is roughly the kind of look you're aiming for? https://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/upload/tplt_test_.asp?page=2100002147 the "Jacobean outfit" (authentic? pah!) (The Jacobite rebellions were 1695, 1715 and, most famously, 1745. A "Jacobite style" shirt is generally floppy with a slit neck hole, laced across.) I had a quick look through the main pattern companies, and was surprised that I couldn't find a generic "romantic" kilt outfit. I'm sure I have seen them - maybe it's the wrong season, maybe if you look back over the winter catalogues they might have something? Otherwise you could probably do the shirt and doublet/jerkin/thingy from Butterick B4574, which is a pirate but similar http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4574=x&TI ='b4574'&page=1 (The one shown is about 2 sizes too big for the chap wearing it, I reckon!) You need to make the sleeve caps smaller, only about 3 inches wide at the shoulder. But as Kimiko says, this kind of thing really isn't authentic. The best thing is to look at the period sources and try to find a compromise between what is authentic and what your chap wants to wear. You can get away with a late 16th century doublet and shirt worn with the Great Kilt - if he has a modern kilt he wants to wear for the wedding, you can replace it with a Great Kilt (if he's brave) or hose for SCA use. Jean > I had a quick look through the main pattern companies, and was surprised > that I couldn't find a generic "romantic" kilt outfit. I'm sure I have > seen them - maybe it's the wrong season, maybe if you look back over the > winter catalogues they might have something? There's Butterick 4486, which has those shirts with lacing up the front. It's new so it's probably still in stores. Simplicity put out a "Scottish" renfest set for men a while back, it's number 8913. I do not know if it is still in print. It's older and due to be pulled if it's not gone already. Simplicity 5029 is a recent pattern for a modern kilt, jacket, and sash. It should be available, if not it's worth contacting the company to see if they have any left in the warehouse they can sell you direct. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 11:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MFfh63027268 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:41:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MFebMf013133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFeGv5001989; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFdYLg001415 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout14/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j6MFdYbU007563 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UROPORTABLE (dhcp073182.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j6MFdW3F016520 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003a01c58ed3$8f7c5160$b6496b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: References: <200507221513.j6MFBxnr080403@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:39:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fashion plates website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The University of Washington has an online collection but it stops at 1915 http://content.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:04:22 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: [h-cost] fashion plates website > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Argh. There was a great website with a whole bunch of fashion plates from lots of different eras, which I have bookmarked. However, I've got about 102371 sites bookmarked, so I can't find it! I'm pretty srue it was a university website, but not positive; whatever it was, it was the website of some sort of official or semi-official group, rather than an individual. Any ideas? > > -E House > (looking for fashion plates 1915-1920) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 11:46:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MFkQ5W027295 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MFk4n0013797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFk2Fk006723; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6MFjwem006613 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14597 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2005 15:45:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3pUbhO2CPUdYJEKr7aeJEcLrzTmir7zl8h09LRbn4MzJWSJ93rowu249QqGCSe5HX0MeMGhMdzKpog0Rs3h1gh90EyB+o1rYAXNxzSRo7+3YRd+0ySqdk7nbA1UJwk5b4ypkVS8m9zOfQ2+zUJId1UEZCL848/vL0daCWkShLfM= ; Message-ID: <20050722154552.14595.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:45:52 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507221513.j6MFBxnr080403@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lab coats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are a variety of old horror movies that feature that sort of lab coat. I have this mental picture of the werewolf standing next to a scientist wearing that sort of coat which could be way off base. I am not sure, but I think that is what the Dr. is wearing in "Van Helsing" too. Defintiely something that was considered a dentist's coat in a shorter version at one time. I think your idea of taking an old frock coat back and chef's coat front and altering might work. Seems you have a pretty good idea of how it is supposed to look. As someone else said, there should openings in the side seams for access to trouser pockets. The modern coats I wore when I worked in a lab also had large patch pockets on the front and one on the chest. >From: "otsisto" >Subject: [h-cost] Japanes fabrics > http://www.kimkatz.com/ Yum! These are beautiful fabrics! Annette --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 11:49:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MFnQJQ027327 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:49:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MFmqvr014046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFmneI008756; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay03.mail2web.com (xrelay03.mail2web.com [168.144.1.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFmeHS008535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:48:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.242] (helo=M2W126.mail2web.com) by xrelay03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DvzlG-0006gV-9c for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:48:34 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005752215491931@M2W126.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] fashion plates website X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6MFmeHS008535 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Argh. There was a great website with a whole bunch of fashion plates from lots of different eras, which I have bookmarked. However, I've got about 102371 sites bookmarked, so I can't find it! I'm pretty srue it was a university website, but not positive; whatever it was, it was the website of some sort of official or semi-official group, rather than an individual. Any ideas? -E House (looking for fashion plates 1915-1920) _______________________________________________ It might be this http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html For ealier plates I have several sites marked on my links page. Suzi www.suziclarke.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 11:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MFpBuA027355 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:51:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MFojBM014181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFohaV010285; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay06.mail2web.com (xrelay06.mail2web.com [168.144.1.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MFobSZ010142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.135] (helo=M2W031.mail2web.com) by xrelay06.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DvznA-0002ON-1g for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057522155027559@M2W031.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:50:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pewter Replicas X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6MFobSZ010142 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MG4R71027473 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:04:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MG3rYe015450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MG3naY020241; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (exim@mailman.itasca.net [12.157.198.14] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MG3iQt020143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from www-data@itasca.net) Received: from www-data by itasca.net with local (Exim 4.24) id 1Dvzzx-0001Kc-VD for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:03:41 -0500 Received: from riviera.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (riviera.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.21.247]) by webmail.itasca.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:03:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1122048221.42e118dda9b7f@webmail.itasca.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:03:41 -0500 From: ynes@sskip.net To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 130.14.21.247 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacing rings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know the merchant who sold me a supply of small (less than 1/4 inch) but sturdy brass rings (no visible seam) that I purchased at an SCA event a few years ago? Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought these, or I'd go back to that source. She also had larger brighter rings and even some white venetian glass rings at the time. I'm looking for this merchant because she's the only one I've seen that has the kind of rings she sells. If Greenberg & Hammer has these, I don't know what they'd be called. I'm willing to buy from other vendors, especially on-line vendors, if I can find one. Thank you for your help. - Ynes ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 12:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MGH9ab027591 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MGFvtb016558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGFtRL029095; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGFnOM029013 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from crysgold@shaw.ca) Received: from pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.21]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IK100L74EICOV70@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.150]) by pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IK100DYIEICCH90@pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KIRI (S0106000ea6493125.gv.shawcable.net [24.68.245.248]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0IK100L2HEIC04@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:15:48 -0700 From: Crystal Gold Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lacing rings In-reply-to: <1122048221.42e118dda9b7f@webmail.itasca.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm sorry. I've only seen what you've described in a 1/2 inch size. They're found in the curtain/drapery department of one of our local shops. -Crystal. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of ynes@sskip.net Sent: July 22, 2005 9:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Lacing rings Does anyone know the merchant who sold me a supply of small (less than 1/4 inch) but sturdy brass rings (no visible seam) that I purchased at an SCA event a few years ago? Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought these, or I'd go back to that source. She also had larger brighter rings and even some white venetian glass rings at the time. I'm looking for this merchant because she's the only one I've seen that has the kind of rings she sells. If Greenberg & Hammer has these, I don't know what they'd be called. I'm willing to buy from other vendors, especially on-line vendors, if I can find one. Thank you for your help. - Ynes -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 12:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MGOuxU027685 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MGOQnA017322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGOPnn035235; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGOL6X035123 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C613C94F for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E11DC0.9070109@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:24:32 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish (was - newbie delurking) References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote: > I would like to find something from an earlier era for the shirt though. Was thinking of making a variation on the '"T-tunic", but it would require so much tailoring to make it fit well that using a pattern with set in sleeves would probably be easier and quicker. I have the Simplicity 5029, and a modern jacket is planned for later on. I hadn't considered the other because it looked too costumish at first glance. Looking again though and the shirts might be ok. Would a highlander find much use for those big, belled sleeves though? ;-) Anything with a Celtic or Irish flavor would be ok too. > McCalls 2802 has a shirt with a renaissance gathered neckline that would work as "earlier era". The sleeves might be a bit on the poofy side, but you might like that look. I can't quite see how the 'doublet' in your link is cut, but Butterick 5656 might be a good option if you cut it waist length. Simplicity 5574 could also work for you. One view has the higher waist, the other has the collar and shoulder tabs. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 12:48:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MGmOJr027899 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MGlqFJ019526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGlopv052842; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MGljZk052777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6MGljXr010417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050722124626.0177f548@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:47:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing rings In-Reply-To: <1122048221.42e118dda9b7f@webmail.itasca.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/988/Fri Jul 22 06:29:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Ynez... How many do you need? I can buy them for you at Pennsic. Then send them... along with the silk thread I promised you ages ago. And I can also include her card. Mari / Bridgette >Does anyone know the merchant who sold me a supply of small (less than 1/4 >inch) >but sturdy brass rings (no visible seam) that I purchased at an SCA event >a few >years ago? Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought these, or I'd go >back >to that source. She also had larger brighter rings and even some white >venetian >glass rings at the time. > >I'm looking for this merchant because she's the only one I've seen that >has the >kind of rings she sells. If Greenberg & Hammer has these, I don't know what >they'd be called. I'm willing to buy from other vendors, especially on-line >vendors, if I can find one. > >Thank you for your help. > >- Ynes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 13:22:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MHMvvJ028215 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:22:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MHMbFY023045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHMXSK079779; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHMRne079739 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 06E7514332A; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.240.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.240]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DE1A51432A7 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:22:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <017c01c58ee2$242d2a60$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050722124626.0177f548@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing rings Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:23:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fine Mountain Gems carries 'em--look for 'pre-soldered rings'. They have them in several sizes and gauges: http://www.firemountaingems.com -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 13:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MHMt0b028211 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MHMFgu023003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHMDJv079569; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHM6ZH079405 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.11]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:20:35 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lacing rings Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:22:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWO3V0Nzxi5vf9kTUqftP2DjC2DVAABFecQ In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050722124626.0177f548@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2005 17:20:35.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC0FA760:01C58EE1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And maybe mention "her" name/shop so those of us going to Pennsic can find them also? Betsy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing rings Hey Ynez... How many do you need? I can buy them for you at Pennsic. Then send them... along with the silk thread I promised you ages ago. And I can also include her card. Mari / Bridgette tume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 13:23:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MHNXxb028222 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:23:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MHNBvu023107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHN85K080245; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHMmw4079989 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id BF9021432C4; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.240.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.240]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EA83143178 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <017e01c58ee2$344ea6d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <380-22005752215491931@M2W126.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's the one I was thinking of! Thanks, guys. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 13:44:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MHicp2028390 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MHhxBK026808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHhvH8096190; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHhpIM096100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6MHhpXv020759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050722134226.0177e0d8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:43:50 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lacing rings In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050722124626.0177f548@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry I don't know her name... only that she is 2-3 stalls up the road from Dragon's Magic Fabrics. But I will attempt to post her info once I have it... after Pennsic. Bridgette >And maybe mention "her" name/shop so those of us going to Pennsic can find >them also? >Betsy > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing rings > > >Hey Ynez... > >How many do you need? I can buy them for you at Pennsic. Then send >them... along with the silk thread I promised you ages ago. And I >can also include her card. > >Mari / Bridgette >tume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 14:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MIN3sd028789 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MIMNBB030945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MIMIZm025251; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MIMCJt025173 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [24.39.235.120] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A86D4B70140; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:18:21 -0400 Message-ID: <42E13910.9030203@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:21:04 -0400 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Article on Bizarre Fashion Trends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Given the recent discussion of today's unflattering and sloppy fashions, I thought some of you might be interested in this article about the subject and its relation to history. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/CareerTraining/?article=weirdfashionmain -- Anne Dealy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 15:10:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MJAlYs029358 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:10:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MJ97O3037406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MJ94x8058996; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MJ8Zhq058650 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thirling@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so257632nzd for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=U8+18nkbSVj3Mrz7U/89Okl2GI8oXD1oBk0bofNzjks84AHCGLWnIwroQNcbmISeyq4XvVTOZVvXBJlE1zKpq3nKuNFp2bVeplu1gBpwDl7CUtnv4tIWt9l1vUHB9UFMycv4DKJ+gBgS+zrlu81eKnqeUC6hL77WGCvvRN1t7fI= Received: by 10.36.66.5 with SMTP id o5mr2391nza; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.12.12 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6c845a440507221208597bf099@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:08:29 -0500 From: Terri Hirling To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6MJ8Zhq058650 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Rings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Inez said: Here's where I got my brass rings: http://www.textol.com/drapery/Page_15.htm At $20.00 a bag (1000 rings), I'd say that's a pretty good price. Not to mention that its probably a lifetime supply. I've given some away and still have a bunch. They're not 1/4" though, more like 1/2". I really like them. There is one drawback though, they have a $25 minimum. I think when I placed my order I also got an 18" x 18" pillow form for $6.70. Hope that helps. Isabeau _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 15:22:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6MJM4nA029438 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MJLT9b038773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MJLQKe068096; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MJLH8E067992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6MJHK5v013463 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:17:20 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E1472F.1030004@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:21:19 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Rings References: <6c845a440507221208597bf099@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6c845a440507221208597bf099@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Terri Hirling wrote: > http://www.textol.com/drapery/Page_15.htm > > At $20.00 a bag (1000 rings), I'd say that's a pretty good price. Not > to mention that its probably a lifetime supply. I've given some away > and still have a bunch. They're not 1/4" though, more like 1/2". Calico Corners and other similar custom or make your own fancy curtain shops have them, although usually in squashed cardboard boxes in a drawer somewhere known only to staff, so you have to ask for them. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 21:46:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N1kO9d031974 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:46:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N1joYE080770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N1jhXd002545; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-09.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6N1jbTZ002505 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 31561 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.4.230) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 01:45:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:52:47 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Rings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <42E1472F.1030004@thibault.org> Message-Id: <7847A491-FB1C-11D9-966D-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've also been told that you can get them from fishing supply shops. Not yet tried going there though. Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden ------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ custom made historical reproduction clothing ~ http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 22:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N27sjh032320 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:07:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N27Z0f082007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N27Xma011164; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6N27U8O011107 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92139 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2005 02:07:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Rr4eovSYUgg8jauBvb9BstwSvINRTa1LdWRoZBRho/GveI9bcpye2X79VfkUs8QIvqVvE1pdFj4uLx69BcqyIP947FtQ6p7pD/amdeGmN5mMxZyyDhXu/8oes+1d7roL8VVBiKRw1Ch79owVV+To6fBnnOfaABXRNn5MoN22j40= ; Message-ID: <20050723020723.92137.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.14] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:07:23 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lacing rings at JoAnns' ...a back room item To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO i got the brass no seam rings at JoAnn's in the curtain supply rack.It's one particular company something like "Warm Wonder" or Warm weather" they have their own display board. they aren't on the "notions wall" they are where the Decor fabric on thoses big rolls are. About $4.00 for 40 i believe they are the small 1/4" ones. Melody --- Crystal Gold wrote: > I'm sorry. I've only seen what you've described in > a 1/2 inch size. > They're found in the curtain/drapery department of > one of our local shops. > > -Crystal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of ynes@sskip.net > Sent: July 22, 2005 9:04 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Lacing rings > > > Does anyone know the merchant who sold me a supply > of small (less than 1/4 > inch) > but sturdy brass rings (no visible seam) that I > purchased at an SCA event a > few > years ago? Unfortunately I can't remember where I > bought these, or I'd go > back > to that source. She also had larger brighter rings > and even some white > venetian > glass rings at the time. > > I'm looking for this merchant because she's the only > one I've seen that has > the > kind of rings she sells. If Greenberg & Hammer has > these, I don't know what > they'd be called. I'm willing to buy from other > vendors, especially on-line > vendors, if I can find one. > > Thank you for your help. > > - Ynes > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - > Release Date: 21/07/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 22:42:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N2gNVV032508 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N2ba9c083820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N2bY1b022892; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N2bVGn022869 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.157.225] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dw9tK-0003Ui-PI for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:37:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:37:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca3d7bbe2d4e3a3be05aab61438cd5ae8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.157.225 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm coming to this discussion late (just having rejoined the list), but on an issue of terminology origin raised... At 8:31 AM -0700 7/22/05, Kahlara wrote: >Yes, Jacobite shirt - I have also seen it refered to as a ghilie >shirt, presumably because the opening was laced. There is a good chance that it is (modernly) called a gillie/ghillie shirt (and other spelling variants) because it is (modernly) associated with gillies, that is, with (Highland) male servants, especially attendants on Highland chiefs, and/or more modernly, 19th century and later sportsmen's attendants (for fishing & hunting, etc.). See the Dictionary of the Scots Language (DSL, available online free at ) entry from the SND s.v. GILLIE This is the source of the in , after the style shoes worn by such attendants -- so it would not be surprising if it were also the source of the in , possibly derived from the style of shirts actually worn by such attendants, or, probably more likely, based on more modern associations of this style of shirt with such attendants, or at least the Romantic past and rustic image often modernly associated with such attendants and/or their attire. Note, btw, that the defining stylistic characteristic of gillie/ghillie brogues is not that they are laced, or even the decorative pierced patterns in the leather, but the scalloped cut of the leather around the eyelets through which the lacing is threaded. In contrast, "non-gillie" or , which are also laced and can have the decorative patterns, do not have the scalloped cut. (There may be additional terms for specifically non-gillie brogues, but I can't figure out what they may be, other than simply being called . BTW, in addition to the laced brogues, there is also the . A is just a heavy men's shoe, which of course can have various styles.) For examples of day brogues, see (shows both) For examples of gillie/ghillie brogues, see (shows both) The above are, of course, modern shoes, and, for that matter, the terms and especially are likewise modern. How far back the style of shirt now called (or , etc.) goes, I don't myself know, though I would guess at very earliest early modern, and more probably later than earlier. Finally, I should probably comment explicitly that, especially since it seems the term was coined relatively recently, it is also possible that rather than being named for associations of that style of shirt with ghillies (Highland attendants) and/or their (historical) image or the like, the term arose among various modern people who associate the term in with lacing rather than the defining scalloping (nevermind ghillies), and so does refer to the lacing. [It's difficult to know for sure without finding the earliest uses of the term and knowing more of the context and coiners.] Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 22:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N2xGlf032597 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:59:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N2wXJe085136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N2wUL9031085; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N2wQjC031024 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joedr@charter.net) Received: from mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.148]) by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6N2wK2O032556 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:58:21 -0400 Received: from 66-169-188-107.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (66.169.188.107) by mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2005 22:58:22 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,136,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1334000035:sNHT14348736" Message-ID: <42E1B23F.1030604@charter.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:58:07 -0500 From: Joe Robertson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How do I unsubscribe from this list? I have tried all the tricks listed on the H-Costume site to no avail. Joe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 23:09:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N39R9T032661 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N38wZC085820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N38vuN035282; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N38qMY035243 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050723030846.YIVM22277.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:08:46 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.23]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050723030845.EVKP1945.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:08:45 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.4]); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:08:47 +1200 Message-ID: <008b01c58f33$d7c0fba0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7847A491-FB1C-11D9-966D-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Rings Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:08:42 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've also been told that you can get them from fishing supply shops. > Not yet tried going there though. > Warmest Regards, > Aylwen Garden Yep, they are reasonably pricey if you buy them that way though. I was gifted some by the Lochac Queen a few years ago (SCA Kingdom, Aussie and NZ.) They were quite rough inside and I have to replace lacing string fairly frequently. I bought some from a fishing shop here in Auckland and they are smoothly finished on the inside. When you ask at a fishing supply shop ask for solid brass rings. Or brass rig rings. They some in a variety of shapes and sizes. Do a google image search for rig rings. You'll find a wide range of places you can by them online. But it may be easier to ask your local tackle store to order some in. http://www.tackleshop.co.uk/ProductDetails/mcs/ProductID/634/GroupID/14/CategoryID/105/v/ These are stainless steel, but basically what you are looking for. I'm trying to see if there are more on the site. http://www.fishsa.com/sinkswiv.php Just some info at the bottom about what they look like and used for. I love them, and have a goodly number on garb;) I am about to buy some more (I have to order them) in 3.5mm size and if I buy in bulk I get them for 30c a piece rtaher than 50c/piece. Brass curtain rings here at the smallest size (which are too big for several projects) are at least half that price anyway. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 22 23:54:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6N3sKnP000472 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6N3rsne088184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N3rqtW053081; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6N3rn3w053016 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050723035343.IAZZ7577.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:53:43 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050723035342.FBIY1945.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:53:42 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.4]); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:53:45 +1200 Message-ID: <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:53:44 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would it be the digital.nypl archives? http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/index.cfm http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm That's probably the most helpful link to give as their categores are quite nice to just jump into: for you, scroll down to costume-1910s michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] fashion plates website Argh. There was a great website with a whole bunch of fashion plates from lots of different eras, which I have bookmarked. However, I've got about 102371 sites bookmarked, so I can't find it! I'm pretty srue it was a university website, but not positive; whatever it was, it was the website of some sort of official or semi-official group, rather than an individual. Any ideas? -E House (looking for fashion plates 1915-1920) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 09:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ND3DbC003860 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:03:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6ND2eKk012449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ND2aQQ049025; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ND2V5G049001 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3742C41015 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb21.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42dffda8.10a7f for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C4jjMEAyVRwIAAAAB,3aa0c45a9afef7219e1c23da75be71c4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Harry Potter costumes X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20050723053212.3AED71DF@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I *loved* what the designers came up with for the Quidditch uniforms. Joannah. --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Well it sort of was on topic with D's robes. >I have a question. Do the movie costumes match the books' description? They tried. But there's only so much you can do with words, a picture traditionally being worth a thousand of them. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 09:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ND3Dmx003859 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:03:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6ND2j2o012474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ND2iTl049089; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ND2fJp049062 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0281C41065 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb22.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.42dffc8e.188b4 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C4jjVzVRNhAIAAAAB,ad1e6849ee96211098ed5588380f43b3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Harry Potter costumes X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20050723053221.3AEAFC93@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I *loved* what the designers came up with for the Quidditch uniforms. Joannah. --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Well it sort of was on topic with D's robes. >I have a question. Do the movie costumes match the books' description? They tried. But there's only so much you can do with words, a picture traditionally being worth a thousand of them. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 10:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NEuHqO004709 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NEtnfX033253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NEtle8093238; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NEtirX093223 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so229037rne for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GZXUXntmGFx9davmuaGyAbySuAAnDI0uNT3SRbTHDldWzY6SJmijttvIHh5/abxbkoyJlsiClXtdWBWKrK5rF0YnO4wd21Ya5Pbrq3CutokwzRnZPxvmOkimd/80BnAvyu2RPUJxAy7+hRZ80DVQmFLNNRcRIUGLG3vtIRZOOzc= Received: by 10.38.12.47 with SMTP id 47mr500841rnl; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.43 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190507230755631dc71e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:55:44 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6NEtirX093223 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I remember that someone on the list made a version of this partlet (painting: Mrs. Pemberton by Holbein) and posted it to a web page, but repeated Googling and examination of my bookmarks hasn't found it. Does anyone have the link? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 13:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NHq2eP007485 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NHpLVc043494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpFLj065673; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpCD8065629 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633355D3BE for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722203121.035928a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:38:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish (was - newbie delurking) In-Reply-To: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200507201800.j6KI07v9074090@net.indra.com> <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:31 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >I hadn't considered the other because it looked too costumish at first >glance. Looking again though and the shirts might be ok. Would a >highlander find much use for those big, belled sleeves though? Anything >with a Celtic or Irish flavor would be ok too. Ah, had to relook at the image of #8913 to see what you mean by the sleeves. And yes, the outfit in general is rather costumish, especially without a decent doublet on, but I think it came out originally sometime when Braveheart and Rob Roy were such big movies. I think they are trying to vaguely imitate the big sleeves of the "Irish" leine, which is commonly seen in ren faires today. Although most of the leine sleeves are made with the front sewn mostly shut so it acts as a carrying bag as well. There are issues and comments and disagreements with how big the leine sleeves really should be, but they are popular. I've seen one guy pull out an entire silver tea set, with tray (but not liquid), in his really huge leine sleeves. If you wanted to, you could gather the ends of the sleeves into a simple cuff instead, and the sleeves would be very puffy. Some people like that look. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 13:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NHq6Ui007488 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:52:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NHpLrq043495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpGRn065675; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpCcq065634 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1BA5D413 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722203829.03592610@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:39:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] fashion plates website In-Reply-To: <380-22005752215491931@M2W126.mail2web.com> References: <380-22005752215491931@M2W126.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:49 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >It might be this >http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html > >For ealier plates I have several sites marked on my links page. > >Suzi > >www.suziclarke.co.uk Oooooohhh, thanks for sharing that link. I've been wanting to do an 1870s bustle gown, but haven't done the research for it yet. I have definitely bookmarked that site for later. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 13:52:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NHqUro007493 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:52:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NHq9fB043558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHq9Aw066054; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpEmm065656 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4F45DD3C for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722205031.035920f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:51:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] lab coats OT: GG online In-Reply-To: <42DF712B.8040103@thibault.org> References: <200507182053.j6IKqlD0022967@net.indra.com> <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050719225929.0358c838@64.87.54.245> <007601c58d88$e3c14510$0300a8c0@sc> <42DEF4CD.70603@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20050720193947.035e7d08@64.87.54.245> <42DF712B.8040103@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:55 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote: >http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ -- The new series starts at the end of >issue 13; will be collected in 'graphic novel' format but not individual >issues. Thanks for sharing this. My friends and I were wondering what happened to the series. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 13:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NHrI3U007504 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:53:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NHqxhh043606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHqw4f066401; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpDLd065647 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE805DD23 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722204058.03592380@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:46:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pewter Replicas In-Reply-To: <380-220057522155027559@M2W031.mail2web.com> References: <380-220057522155027559@M2W031.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:50 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >Try www.livinghistory.com (I think) Hi Suzi, Just an fyi, the above link goes to a site that is for sale. Did you mean http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/ ?? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 17:02:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NL2FcK008756 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:02:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NL1f2j056402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NL1Zpt043682; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay04.mail2web.com (xrelay04.mail2web.com [168.144.1.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NL1VLm043594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.137] (helo=M2W032.mail2web.com) by xrelay04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DwR7Z-0000at-Tr for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200576232112237@M2W032.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:01:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pewter Replicas X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6NL1VLm043594 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:50 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >Try www.livinghistory.com (I think) Hi Suzi, Just an fyi, the above link goes to a site that is for sale. Did you mean http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/ ?? Oooops, yes - sorry. Did you get my private mail - my system is playing up! Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 17:30:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NLUVks008875 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NLU1rg058042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NLTxM4054404; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NLTuSw054326 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:29:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:29:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507231752.j6NHq9Em066052@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:29:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 21:29:51.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[A89F3180:01C58FCD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Article on Bizarre Fashion Trends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Anne >Given the recent discussion of today's unflattering and sloppy fashions, >I thought some of you might be interested in this article about the >subject and its relation to history. > >http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/CareerTraining/?article=weirdfashionmain "...But Manolo Blahnik fans everywhere should note that men were the first to wear really pointy shoes. They were called crackows or poulaines, and their toes were as much as 24 inches long. Whalebone and stuffing helped them keep their shape, though in extreme situations, knee-chains were required. Even commoners wore them, but much shorter versions. Also, the men who wore them paired them with snug silk, velvet, or leather pantyhose. " *mutter* Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 18:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6NMu5QZ009349 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:56:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6NMtEo8062955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NMtA2A086676; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NMt75g086636 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from koid.gath@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so544038nzd for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=q4Riz5kQaFu+AGkxe3V+aUFcgpfuic8P0Xr+nar6nqSVg94JPZ1Igo3aWqsJoBs564R/atE5hddw2HUXrKJHBRTsFzNylWAOW0sxLfslGJndVnXCN6I+uiBKVALTKnGEkFiO0Mps58jam6vKntba6RyT9LfEG12QF7kuA7cfBU8= Received: by 10.36.222.54 with SMTP id u54mr886753nzg; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ([61.68.170.139]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 15sm1623907nzn.2005.07.23.15.55.00; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724085223.01d12b78@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:55:13 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: koid gath Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190507230755631dc71e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac190507230755631dc71e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IIRC that was Kirrily Robert aka Skud. It was on her elizabethan geek website which no longer seems to exists Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 20:33:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6O0X1wB009916 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:33:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6O0WNpO069648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6O0WEEY025271; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NHpB7g065627 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D870F5D1C0 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722202044.03592bb8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:21:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish In-Reply-To: References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:37 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: <> >Sharon >Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: > Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/ Wow, Sharon, Thanks so much for your insight into gillies, ghillies, and so much more. I really appreciate the clarifications, because I was badly scratching my head on the terminology. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 20:36:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6O0aXHA009937 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6O0aEKn070034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6O0aD4s026896; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:ZyxMnDIfVdbFFiL05yUL/NptpdzCTSE6@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6NNhliF007352 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.157] (pool180-157.patriot.net [209.249.180.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j6NNhhx0026444 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:43:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:39:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] RE: Article on Bizarre Fashion Trends Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >*mutter* > >Marc I was annoyed by the "pantyhose", too. Also the term "petticoat" referred to what we now call a skirt, and later became a term more specific for underwear. Much of the article was good, but those things really stood out. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 23 23:42:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6O3gb8n011144 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6O3fwds082141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6O3fpks094024; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6O3fmwu094006 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9014F3C0A2 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:41:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FE0614FA2 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:41:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fashion plates website Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050722203829.03592610@64.87.54.245> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well now I know where Simplicity got their idea for pattern #5724 http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html Click on late Victorian. 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 09:41:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ODfO6N027163 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6ODevHH025167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ODep45099309; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6ODeiM1099259 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 1270 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2005 13:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.0.83) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 13:40:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:47:57 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724085223.01d12b78@pop.gmail.com> Message-Id: <8B0392AC-FC49-11D9-A16E-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] reproduction shoes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone ordered from this shoe company before? http://www.kmgarlick-shoemaker.co.uk/ Thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 09:58:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ODwGio027314 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:58:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6ODvlWn026041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ODvkZ3005666; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay01.mail2web.com (xrelay01.mail2web.com [168.144.1.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ODvgSx005611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.164] (helo=M2W056.mail2web.com) by xrelay01.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dwgyp-00080j-JC for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057024135723564@M2W056.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:57:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] reproduction shoes? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6ODvgSx005611 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Original Message: ----------------- From: Garden garden@earthlydelights.com.au Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:47:57 +1000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] reproduction shoes? Has anyone ordered from this shoe company before? http://www.kmgarlick-shoemaker.co.uk/ Thanks, Aylwen Garden This trader has a great reputation, (and I have met him). He seems very competent, and well worth contacting, in my opinion. He is regularly recoomened on British chat sites I use. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 11:38:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6OFcUbF028044 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6OFblCp031765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OFbjNe043891; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OFbeUl043867 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DwiXr-000ECG-7O for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:36:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$wzN+tT34zdh+F4t6RpTWmso9B>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sharon L. Krossa wrote >I'm coming to this discussion late (just having rejoined the list), but >on an issue of terminology origin raised... > >At 8:31 AM -0700 7/22/05, Kahlara wrote: >>Yes, Jacobite shirt - I have also seen it refered to as a ghilie >>shirt, presumably because the opening was laced. > >There is a good chance that it is (modernly) called a gillie/ghillie >shirt (and other spelling variants) because it is (modernly) associated >with gillies, that is, with (Highland) male servants, especially >attendants on Highland chiefs, and/or more modernly, 19th century and >later sportsmen's attendants (for fishing & hunting, etc.). See the >Dictionary of the Scots Language (DSL, available online free at >) entry from the SND s.v. GILLIE >GILLIE&dtext=snd> >The above are, of course, modern shoes, and, for that matter, the terms > and especially are likewise modern. >How far back the style of shirt now called (or >, etc.) goes, I don't myself know, though I >would guess at very earliest early modern, and more probably later than >earlier. > Hi Sharon! Welcome back. I don't recall the existence of Jacobite style shirts more than about 15 years ago. My perception is that they have been developed as people started wanting to wear the kilt in a less formal way - before that it was all collar and tie, or lace frills. The Jacobite shirt gives an option that's still dressy enough for weddings and parties, but more relaxed. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 15:16:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6OJGuQW029698 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6OJGKgL045295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OJGEQg032178; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OJGC7J032159 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so307104rne for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J3K+ffnYIuAx7ajb/qV6Y0RNR3IUOtBkWVUUtzTjsu0HO0vyiwpCj7e8iMmAzRA86taFWAtU6ZHuqX3hYdzP5ufhuCkEhfJnyNdOXMFpa4tR/NNMRCsWStISIQfOtyKCzJYHH0+R+ezBYIqlZIBOjJVSfAIQ3eUnZaaNQqP0/U8= Received: by 10.38.74.33 with SMTP id w33mr1200011rna; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.43 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905072412166b76351e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:16:12 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? In-Reply-To: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6OJGC7J032159 Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:55:13 +1000 > From: koid gath > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724085223.01d12b78@pop.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > IIRC that was Kirrily Robert aka Skud. It was on her elizabethan geek > website which no longer seems to exists Thanks for sending it though - I found a Google cached version of the page and gave me some ideas :) > > Sharon Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 15:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6OJH1U8029701 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6OJGKB0045294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OJGEEF032177; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OJGCgi032160 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so396381rne for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J3K+ffnYIuAx7ajb/qV6Y0RNR3IUOtBkWVUUtzTjsu0HO0vyiwpCj7e8iMmAzRA86taFWAtU6ZHuqX3hYdzP5ufhuCkEhfJnyNdOXMFpa4tR/NNMRCsWStISIQfOtyKCzJYHH0+R+ezBYIqlZIBOjJVSfAIQ3eUnZaaNQqP0/U8= Received: by 10.38.74.33 with SMTP id w33mr1200011rna; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.43 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905072412166b76351e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:16:12 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? In-Reply-To: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6OJGCgi032160 Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:55:13 +1000 > From: koid gath > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mrs. Pemberton's partlet? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724085223.01d12b78@pop.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > IIRC that was Kirrily Robert aka Skud. It was on her elizabethan geek > website which no longer seems to exists Thanks for sending it though - I found a Google cached version of the page and gave me some ideas :) > > Sharon Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 16:16:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6OKG7I9030171 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6OKFgF3048752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OKFepD056157; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6OKFbZ4056129 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.153.252] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dwmsr-0003sG-P6 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:15:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050722153122.74694.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:15:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobite/Scottish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0cfd40e5397607e0fd47926a0665cc73350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.153.252 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 4:36 PM +0100 7/24/05, Jean Waddie wrote: >Sharon L. Krossa wrote >>I'm coming to this discussion late (just having rejoined the list), >>but on an issue of terminology origin raised... >> >>At 8:31 AM -0700 7/22/05, Kahlara wrote: >>>Yes, Jacobite shirt - I have also seen it refered to as a ghilie >>>shirt, presumably because the opening was laced. > >>The above are, of course, modern shoes, and, for that matter, the >>terms and especially are likewise >>modern. How far back the style of shirt now called >>(or , etc.) goes, I don't myself know, >>though I would guess at very earliest early modern, and more >>probably later than earlier. > >Hi Sharon! Welcome back. Thanks! >I don't recall the existence of Jacobite style shirts more than >about 15 years ago. My perception is that they have been developed >as people started wanting to wear the kilt in a less formal way - >before that it was all collar and tie, or lace frills. The Jacobite >shirt gives an option that's still dressy enough for weddings and >parties, but more relaxed. I agree that with modern kilt attire it is a relatively recent introduction -- in Thompson, J. Charles . _So You're Going To Wear the Kilt!_. 3d ed., rev. Glasgow: Lang Syne Publishers Ltd, 1989. the author has a drawing on page 64 showing a sleeveless doublet with a similar style shirt (only with buttons rather than lacing) and legend "b) the peitean is a recent revival, very convenient for hot weather. It is often worn with a shirt in Colonial style." My copy of the book is the 1989 third revised edition and the first and second editions were published in 1979 and 1982, so that dates this style of kilt attire as a "recent revival" circa 1979-89 (depending on when it was first included in the book). What I am not clear on is whether it happens to be a shirt style that existed earlier outside the context of kilt attire, either as a somewhat earlier but still very modernly invented "historical costume" style shirt, or even (perhaps coincidentally) as a much earlier actual worn by normal people as an everyday style shirt. I just don't know enough about 17th, 18th, and early 19th century shirt styles to know whether or not anything like it was seen in that period. To partially answer my own question, outside the context of kilt attire the very full sleeved, collared, lace up neck opening shirt can be dated to at least 1975 in the stage costume of the Corries -- see -- and it might even have worn by them in the 1960s -- see . Other places it occurs to me to look for modern (non-kilt attire) uses are early or mid-20th century films set in colonial America (cf Thompson's "shirt in Colonial style") or set on pirate ships. But even examples from that context (and I don't know if there actually are any) would still leave whether this style was a 20th century invention attributed to/associated with earlier centuries, or actually the same or similar to something worn in the Colonial era or similar period. And that I just don't know (due to my own ignorance of the relevant periods) -- but I expect others might... Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 19:57:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ONvSfS032023 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6ONujaN062912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ONufpY052605; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6ONub4C052579 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15449 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 00:27:54 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:27:54 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1176.67.188.164.116.1122249397.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1122048221.42e118dda9b7f@webmail.itasca.net> References: <1122048221.42e118dda9b7f@webmail.itasca.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing rings From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Does anyone know the merchant who sold me a supply of small (less than 1/4 > inch) > but sturdy brass rings (no visible seam) I sell these rings. They are 20 for $1.00 and you can buy as many or as few as you want. Here is the link: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/products.php?int_era_id=5&start_count_url=36 ....or you can go to my homepage at http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/index.php and do a search for "lacing rings". They are about 3/8" in diameter and very sturdy! Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 20:04:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P04fZH032067 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P04ICh063397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P04Hjp055566; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P04Exa055550 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30751589 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:04:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website In-Reply-To: <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:53 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >Would it be the digital.nypl archives? > >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/index.cfm >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm >That's probably the most helpful link to give as their categores are quite >nice to just jump into: >for you, scroll down to costume-1910s > >michaela de bruce >http://costumes.glittersweet.com Hi Michaela, Thanks for sharing this link with us. Depending on time frame, I just want to warn people that the images may not be "accurate", as to me, some look rather "Victorian" in styling. I am currently looking over the 1500s England to see what they have. Some are not in the right time frame (ie images noted as being in the reign of James I, which was 1600s). Some are noted on the image as being of a certain date, but the style of garment is definitely incorrect for that date. (ie: Elizabeth, 1559., IMAGE ID: 811192 ). Most make me want to see the original, if there is any. Thankfully, they do have detailed info on where the plates originally come from in most cases. There is one lady holding a handbag! ([Woman in long dress holding a handbag]. IMAGE ID: 811216) Oh, I've never seen that style of purse in this time period before. There is one that I have become partial to. Anyone know if there is an actual portrait this image may be based on? (Mary. IMAGE ID: 811214 ) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 20:14:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P0Ef0T032123 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P0EKKZ064111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P0EIss059567; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6P0EDfm059520 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-10728); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:53 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:45 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050724170904.022adcd0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:11:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:04 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >At 08:53 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >>Would it be the digital.nypl archives? >> >>http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/index.cfm >>http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm >>That's probably the most helpful link to give as their categores are quite >>nice to just jump into: >>for you, scroll down to costume-1910s >> >>michaela de bruce >>http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > >Hi Michaela, > >Thanks for sharing this link with us. > >Depending on time frame, I just want to warn people that the images >may not be "accurate", as to me, some look rather "Victorian" in >styling. I am currently looking over the 1500s England to see what >they have. Some are not in the right time frame (ie images noted as >being in the reign of James I, which was 1600s). Some are noted on >the image as being of a certain date, but the style of garment is >definitely incorrect for that date. (ie: Elizabeth, 1559., IMAGE ID: >811192 ). Most make me want to see the original, if there is any. >Thankfully, they do have detailed info on where the plates >originally come from in most cases. > >There is one lady holding a handbag! ([Woman in long dress holding a >handbag]. IMAGE ID: 811216) Oh, I've never seen that style of purse >in this time period before. > >There is one that I have become partial to. Anyone know if there is >an actual portrait this image may be based on? >(Mary. IMAGE ID: 811214 ) > >Kimiko How did you manage to view the images? Only a few images showed up when I went to the folder, unfortunately, none of them were the ones you looked at. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 20:32:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P0WH74032233 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:32:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P0VqeC065288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P0VpgN066469; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P0VlFU066442 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pdx-ppp8.pop1.net [209.102.125.58]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31010 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:35:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host pdx-ppp8.pop1.net [209.102.125.58] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <42E432CD.5010604@pcez.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:31:09 -0700 From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric dying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings again, I'm working on a couple of gowns and will be needing to write something up about how I "would have" dyed them the color they are. Since, I am not a dyer (yet). Can someone give me a name of a good book on medieval dyes that I may be able to find at my local library? The dye recipes I am looking for are a pink (more of a dusty rose) and a bluish violet. Thanks for any help. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 20:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P0Zj6Z032250 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:35:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P0ZPwW065588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P0ZPIF067889; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.217]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P0ZMCl067845 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joedr@charter.net) Received: from mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.149]) by mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6P0ZFuW016501 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:35:16 -0400 Received: from 66-169-188-107.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (66.169.188.107) by mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2005 20:35:16 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,138,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1339958786:sNHT14787318" Message-ID: <42E433B5.9080507@charter.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:35:01 -0500 From: Joe Robertson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Removal from List X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How do I unsubscribe from this list? 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Joe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 21:01:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P11aQ1032398 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:01:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P10qM6067593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P10mru079663; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6P10i1A079628 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 01:00:10 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:00:10 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1247.67.188.164.116.1122253244.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42E432CD.5010604@pcez.com> References: <42E432CD.5010604@pcez.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Greetings again, > > I'm working on a couple of gowns and will be needing to write > something up about how I "would have" dyed them the color they are. > Since, I am not a dyer (yet). Can someone give me a name of a good book > on medieval dyes that I may be able to find at my local library? The > dye recipes I am looking for are a pink (more of a dusty rose) and a > bluish violet. I have done some natural dyeing in the past but I can't remember the books that I used as reference (my dyeing partner bought and kept the books). Your best bet may be to start with your library...older books are still good references and won't cost you anything. Once you decide to try some dyeing yourself, you may want to invest in some books because they will have weights and measures that will help immensely. And if you want bonus points from the judges, mention how colorfast the dye is. You can achieve many colors using all kinds of natural dyestuffs but many of them will fade either quickly or eventually. Good luck & sorry I couldn't give you better suggestions! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 24 21:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P136ec032404 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P12ocb067744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:02:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P12nm3080435; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6P12kw4080402 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:02:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-23094); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:02:46 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:02:39 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050724175921.022a09f0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:00:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Removal from List In-Reply-To: <42E433B5.9080507@charter.net> References: <42E433B5.9080507@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:35 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >How do I unsubscribe from this list? I have tried every trick on the >H-Costume website and none of them work. >Joe >_______________________________________________ There's a "list-unsubscribe" line in the header of each message with the following instruction: Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 01:25:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P5Pw8G001615 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P5POkb086499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P5PJjO086122; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P5PEYK086053 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050725052509.FQDC7577.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:09 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.23]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050725052508.BJLG24968.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:08 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.4]); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:15 +1200 Message-ID: <004d01c590d9$3ccda420$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub><00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:14 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/index.cfm > >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm > >That's probably the most helpful link to give as their categores are quite > >nice to just jump into: > >for you, scroll down to costume-1910s > Depending on time frame, I just want to warn people that the images may not > be "accurate", as to me, some look rather "Victorian" in styling. I am > currently looking over the 1500s England to see what they have. Some are > not in the right time frame (ie images noted as being in the reign of James > I, which was 1600s). I'm pretty sure those are from Victorian costumes books, so anythign prior to the mid 19thC I really would take with a grain of salt. I did notice quite a few of the German images were from trachtenbuch that can be found online (Wiegel, Jost Amman...) They were not too bad actually, being based on woodcuts. The colours were pretty fantastical though;) > There is one lady holding a handbag! ([Woman in long dress holding a > handbag]. IMAGE ID: 811216) Oh, I've never seen that style of purse in this > time period before. I'm having major troubles getting the images to load .. Ok got it. This looks like it could be cobbled from Vicello's book perhaps? > There is one that I have become partial to. Anyone know if there is an > actual portrait this image may be based on? > (Mary. IMAGE ID: 811214 ) It looks a bit like some SPanish or Spanish inspired portraits actually. I suspect a half or bustlength portrait from which they have extrapolated the skirt. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 04:31:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P8VQ8U009570 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P8UwQP097055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P8UsId057167; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P8UouU057105 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D7731969C for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E4A338.2030200@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:30:48 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am making a bustle gown from Truly Victorian patterns. Everything was going together so smootly that I decided not to try the sleeves before making the real sleeves. Wel, they looked redicilous! The sleeve is gathered on the top and it looked more like a big sleeve from 1891. When I look at pitures and real garments from the 1870s or 1880's I don't see any gathers or just a few. Am I right on this? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 05:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6P9nBRO027881 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:49:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6P9mcxB008872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P9mZaO085063; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P9mTU4084948 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050725094818.MPZZ7577.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:48:18 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050725094818.CZZY1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:48:18 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.4]); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:48:24 +1200 Message-ID: <00b701c590fe$0029a7b0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E4A338.2030200@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:48:23 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am making a bustle gown from Truly Victorian patterns. > Everything was going together so smootly that I decided not to try the > sleeves before making the real sleeves. > Wel, they looked redicilous! > The sleeve is gathered on the top and it looked more like a big sleeve > from 1891. > When I look at pitures and real garments from the 1870s or 1880's I > don't see any gathers or just a few. > Am I right on this? You are right that they are fitted into the armscye. I know someone else who had this trouble with the patterns. The good news is you should be able to cut them down from the sleeves you are currently making seeing as you in effect have excess fabric. You can draft your own sleeve fairly easily, depending on the style you are after. http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/index.shtml If you look at the pattern diagrams here as well as PoF etc you can find a basic shape to make your own sleeve (if you haven't already:) ) I've even put some test fabric on the ironing board and, standing at the pointy end, laid my arm on top with my elbow subtly bent to get a proportioned curve to my sleeve. Of course one needs to add a few inches either side of the line around the arm... My sleevehead also winds up deviating no more than 10cm. So the curve of the top part is no more than 5cm tall and the curve of the bottom part is no more than 5cm tall. This gives a sleeve that can be fitted into a small armscye and still give plenty of room to move the arm. Well, given a finite value for plenty;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 06:48:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PAmSAJ003392 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:48:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PAg18j018351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PAg0Eg003115; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PAfuOB003069 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6717BE809 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E4C1F3.2020401@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:41:55 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown References: <42E4A338.2030200@kabelfoon.nl> <00b701c590fe$0029a7b0$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00b701c590fe$0029a7b0$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I think I will try to make it as smooth as possible but I don't think I will be able to get all the gathers out. Next time I will make my own sleeve pattern. It really looks like the sleeve pattern is of the wrong time. It was also way to short. The TV patterns are made for very short women. I made the sleeve 10cm longer and still it ended up being to short. Luckely I had already decided that I wanted a nice pleated cuff on the end. And that worked out really well. Greetings, Deredere >You are right that they are fitted into the armscye. I know someone else who >had this trouble with the patterns. The good news is you should be able to >cut them down from the sleeves you are currently making seeing as you in >effect have excess fabric. >You can draft your own sleeve fairly easily, depending on the style you are >after. >http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/index.shtml >If you look at the pattern diagrams here as well as PoF etc you can find a >basic shape to make your own sleeve (if you haven't already:) ) > >I've even put some test fabric on the ironing board and, standing at the >pointy end, laid my arm on top with my elbow subtly bent to get a >proportioned curve to my sleeve. Of course one needs to add a few inches >either side of the line around the arm... My sleevehead also winds up >deviating no more than 10cm. So the curve of the top part is no more than >5cm tall and the curve of the bottom part is no more than 5cm tall. This >gives a sleeve that can be fitted into a small armscye and still give plenty >of room to move the arm. Well, given a finite value for plenty;) > >michaela de bruce >http://glittersweet.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 08:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PCZ7O4004164 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PCYK0a024890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PCYF41042530; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P4tSRG074916 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17E5DDFB for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724181830.0357a108@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:55:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050724170904.022adcd0@pop.surewest.net> References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.2.20050724170904.022adcd0@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:11 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >How did you manage to view the images? Only a few images showed up when I >went to the folder, unfortunately, none of them were the ones you looked at. > >Joan Jurancich Hi Joan Lets see... I clicked on the browse button that brought me to this page, then clicked on folder titles: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm?trg=folder I went down the list of titles and found "Costumes - 1500s - English" and hit Go. Then it went to the first of three pages of images, and waited while they all loaded in. I later found that if you went to Search instead of Browse, you can ask for each image number if you already know them. http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/search.cfm Chose "Search in image id field" from the first set of drop downs. Enter the number of the image you want, then press the Search button. You can also search by other means as well. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 08:35:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PCZQPT004172 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PCYuv9024956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PCYufd042804; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P5E20g082186 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2270CB599 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724221212.0357a250@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:14:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying In-Reply-To: <42E432CD.5010604@pcez.com> References: <42E432CD.5010604@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:31 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >Greetings again, > > I'm working on a couple of gowns and will be needing to write > something up about how I "would have" dyed them the color they are. >Since, I am not a dyer (yet). Can someone give me a name of a good book on >medieval dyes that I may be able to find at my local library? The dye >recipes I am looking for are a pink (more of a dusty rose) and a bluish violet. > >Thanks for any help. > >Roscelin The one book I've been recommended is: The Art and Craft of Natural Dyeing: Traditional Recipes for Modern Use (Paperback), by J.N. Liles ISBN: 0870496700 I understand the writer goes over the history of dyes, but he uses modern chemistry to help perfect dyeing techniques. I don't know how well it will work for your needs, but it may be a start. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 08:35:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PCZQgO004173 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PCZ1mb024989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PCZ1iM042869; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6P6C9xD002604 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1DwwC81xOS-0004bv; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:12:08 -0400 Message-ID: <007701c590df$cc67f940$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-xmailer-Metrics: net.indra.com 1192; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/989/Fri Jul 22 15:27:30 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Designers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6PCZQgO004173 Status: RO I am still working on my series "Designers of Their Time" series. I have a few 1896 fashion plates. I can't find information about two of the European designers. Would you all please check your books and see if you have them listed. I am trying to find out when they were in business. Below is the information that I have: 1. Emilia Bossi, Florence, Italy. Furnishes Their Majesties the Queens of Italy, Servia, and Wurtemburg. I found a webpage of an exhibit of one gown from 1882. Nothing else was mentioned. 2. Jules Bister, Berlin. Furnishes to Her Majesty and the Princess of the Royal and Imperial Family of Germany. I have searched google and have come up with very little. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 09:52:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PDqKnF009529 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PDpgsU031075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PDpYr9077858; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:51:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PDpT2R077765 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11407 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:12:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:11:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Roscelin wrote: > I'm working on a couple of gowns and will be needing to write > something up about how I "would have" dyed them the color they are. > Since, I am not a dyer (yet). Can someone give me a name of a good > book on medieval dyes that I may be able to find at my local library? > The dye recipes I am looking for are a pink (more of a dusty rose) and > a bluish violet. If I understand this, you want to know how these colors would have been achieved in period, not how you would go about doing it today? (Are you writing documentation for arts competition?) It's pretty likely that if you were wearing these colors in most of the Middle Ages, you wouldn't have dyed them. You'd have bought the fabric already dyed by a specialized dyer, or brought undyed wool or woven fabric to the local dyer. The exact sequences and roles (who dyes, who weaves, when those steps occur, and when it ends up in the consumer's possession) would vary from one time to another and one place to another. If you want to know how the dyer would have achieved the colors, again for most of the Middle Ages, you're dealing with madder for most red shades and woad for all blues. Your bluish violet would have been made with some combination of those two, possibly with overdyeing. I think madder is the most likely possibility for a household-used dye, but again, less likely in certain periods and at certain social strata. Woad dyeing became a highly specialized occupation rather early because it requires certain facilities and is very unpleasant to be around. The best book on period woad dyeing I've seen is this "The History of Woad and the Medieval Woad Vat," a little booklet by John Edmonds that's absolutely packed iwth information. My copy seems to be buried somewhere, alas: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/22249;$7B$7FM$?/Location/Oxbow There's also the possibility of kermes as a red dye (particularly later in the period) which was much more expensive than madder; I'm not well-versed in this and would be glad to be corrected, but all the references I can think of to kermes-dyed cloth have to do with very expensive imported dyed cloth, so I suspect this would also have been a specialist occupation, not something the average medieval household owner would have done on her own. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 10:03:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PE3sCE009627 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PE3QeQ032437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PE3PXn084223; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f35.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PE3MEe084120 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:03:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:03:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2005 14:03:16.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ADFE580:01C59121] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: reproduction shoes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Garden >Has anyone ordered from this shoe company before? >http://www.kmgarlick-shoemaker.co.uk/ >Thanks, Aylwen Garden It's hard to tell from the photos, but his stuff looks reasonably well made for the cost, and while most of his stuff looks inaccurate from a historical perspective, it's at least innocuous. Actually, some of his 17th century stuff looks pretty good. A major problem with most people doing historical shoes these days is the shapes of the lasts. They tend to use modern lasts, which becomes gradually more noticeable the earlier you go. I don't mean this as a criticism of anyone in particular, I'm just frustrated by the situation. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 10:13:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PEDpai009748 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:13:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PEDNeL033477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PEDLSl090819; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PEDHcA090662 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:13:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507241800.j6OI0BHx001653@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:13:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2005 14:13:12.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDDC3570:01C59122] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Article on Bizarre Fashion Trends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carol Kocian > I was annoyed by the "pantyhose", too. Also the term >"petticoat" referred to what we now call a skirt, and later became a >term more specific for underwear. > Much of the article was good, but those things really stood out. I have a knee-kerk response to that whole "chained to the knee" thing, although to be fair the author did at least indicate that it wasn't how most people wore their shoes. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 10:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PEJjeO009838 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PEIeFo034009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PEIdWT093979; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PEIYgN093929 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-28511); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:18:32 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:18:27 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050725065841.022a9a50@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:16:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050724181830.0357a108@64.87.54.245> References: <015901c58ece$a6077180$0400a8c0@compaqub> <00b201c58f3a$1fec9280$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.1.2.0.20050724164522.028b6b78@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.2.20050724170904.022adcd0@pop.surewest.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050724181830.0357a108@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:55 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >At 05:11 PM 7/24/2005, you wrote: >>How did you manage to view the images? Only a few images showed up >>when I went to the folder, unfortunately, none of them were the >>ones you looked at. >> >>Joan Jurancich > > >Hi Joan > >Lets see... I clicked on the browse button that brought me to this >page, then clicked on folder titles: >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/browse.cfm?trg=folder >I went down the list of titles and found "Costumes - 1500s - >English" and hit Go. >Then it went to the first of three pages of images, and waited while >they all loaded in. > >I later found that if you went to Search instead of Browse, you can >ask for each image number if you already know them. >http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/search.cfm >Chose "Search in image id field" from the first set of drop downs. >Enter the number of the image you want, then press the Search button. >You can also search by other means as well. > >hth, >Kimiko Basically, that's what I did. But only one or two (or sometimes no) pictures loaded on any one page; I tried several pages with similar results. I have cable internet, so speed is not the problem (and I walked away and left it to load for several minutes, just in case). When I used the search function as you described, I still did not get an image. Since I did occasionally get an image, just not the ones I wanted:-(, I assume that my security settings and pop-up blocking are not the problem. Bummer, I wanted to get a look at these. But from the ones that do load (a tiny percentage) and from the bibliographic information provided, I would expect nearly all of them for earlier periods to be 18th or 19th century illustrations, and for our purposes, we would need to remember all the caveats about artistic license. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:09:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PF9fZA010183 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:09:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PF94iM039027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PF8viB027997; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PF8rEN027890 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138E03BC89 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:09:15 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Suggestions for London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? I'm also looking for a budget-oriented place to sleep, as the flight I am planning arrives at Midnight local time and we'll be knackered. Someplace quiet, clean and comfortable is all we need. We won't be in it long enough to want much more than a bed and plumbing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:11:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFBFf2010193 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFAjgh039237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFAjJO029519; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFAfS0029398 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B7C3BC89 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:10:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E5010C.9050401@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:11:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Here's a sewing challenge X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "NASA's Centennial Challenges program has announced its latest prize contest, the Astronaut Glove Challenge. The competition, a collaboration between NASA and the non-profit Volanz Aerospace, will be held in late 2006 and will award $250K to the team which produces the best-performing glove within contest parameters. The basic idea was originally proposed last year on Rand Simberg's Transterrestrial Musings blog to improve on current gloves, which have difficulties with remaining flexible while maintaining constant internal pressure in the vacuum of space. Previously-announced competitions include prizes for superstrong tethers, beaming power, and extracting oxygen from lunar regolith. These prizes are intended to lay the groundwork for larger competitions to further NASA's Vision for Space Exploration, possibly including 'an eight-figure prize for the first privately developed robotic moon lander.'" http://www.astronaut-glove.us/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:16:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFGjKW010208 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFG8sC039925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFG6Te033764; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PFG0iN033681 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28060 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 15:47:22 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:47:22 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1084.67.188.164.116.1122304560.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying (fwd) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's pretty likely that if you were wearing these colors in most of the > Middle Ages, you wouldn't have dyed them. You'd have bought the fabric > already dyed by a specialized dyer, or brought undyed wool or woven fabric > to the local dyer. The exact sequences and roles (who dyes, who weaves, > when those steps occur, and when it ends up in the consumer's possession) > would vary from one time to another and one place to another. I absolutely agree with Robin here. Some people did do their own dyeing at home. In general, however, the fabric was generally bought already dyed. > If you want to know how the dyer would have achieved the colors, again for > most of the Middle Ages, you're dealing with madder for most red shades > and woad for all blues. Your bluish violet would have been made with some > combination of those two, possibly with overdyeing. Except that madder gives a more orange-red in various shades. And bluish-violet, depending on the actual shade, could be achieved by other dyestuffs...logwood being one of them. But I don't know when logwood came to be used as a dye so the time frame you are talking about is important. Dyeing in period is a fascinating subject and if you love chemistry and doing experiments, natural dyeing is a lot of fun. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:21:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFLiGv010231 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFLBU3040663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFL5qL037602; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PFL2t7037548 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28256 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 15:52:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:52:24 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1089.67.188.164.116.1122304862.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> References: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next > spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day > looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really > have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, > unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? > Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? Wow, how to choose?! The V & A costume collection is quite awesome. So if you want to see actual clothing, that is the place. I also really enjoyed the National Portrait Gallery. Seeing the paintings of the Tudors and whatnot that you have only seen in books before is quite an experience. And you discover new things by being able to stick your nose right up to them. For example, I never realized that the embroidery on Mary Tudor's dress was redwork! For budget places to sleep, I used the Rick Steve's travel book. He had a series on public television called Travels in Europe that was great. He tells you interesting, off the path places to go and gives ideas on good budget place to sleep that aren't dumps. Have fun! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFNdYL010244 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFNIBY040934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFNFFc039470; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFNBmw039370 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be99.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.153]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DB45D26285A for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:23:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c5912c$cffe3860$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:23:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, If you only want to go into 1 part of London, i definately would choose V&A. There is so much to see here, that you will have to forse yourself to deside. And it is near the big ware houses. Berwick street is not that far away, here you could go looking for nice silk fabrics. But i am not sure of they have made the costume exhibition again. Last i was there, it was removed and only few items was exhibited in the big time period exhibitions. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] Suggestions for London > I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next spring, > and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day looking at > costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really have time to > spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, unless there are > two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any > suggestions? > > > I'm also looking for a budget-oriented place to sleep, as the flight I am > planning arrives at Midnight local time and we'll be knackered. Someplace > quiet, clean and comfortable is all we need. We won't be in it long enough > to want much more than a bed and plumbing. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:30:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFU49l010301 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:30:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFTWbM041757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFTS0F044446; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PFTOJd044314 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQLBJXAF5MNTJ for (sender ); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/DOfV0oUwlNEs1HUAU4rZuEKXB2z2rhDw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KYRYSSAW; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:28:11 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:24:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London Message-ID: <20050725.102419.-115982251.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-9,25-54 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 18:9:4095297873 X-MAIL-INFO: 27a9615161752dfd752d31652d31bd640995e9b490e09559106d907059ddf0ad59f149e1a95da9f92431502da965 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:09:15 -0500 Dawn writes: > I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next > spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a > day looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only > really have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, > unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? > V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? For costume related stuff in one location, you can't beat the V&A. That should absolutely be your first choice. The other ones are great too, but you won't get much costume stuff at the Tower. The National Portrait Gallery is nice, but generally the subject is more important than their clothing so it's not really great for costume stuff. The Elizabethan and Tudor gallery is really nice, but you can easily see it in less than an hour and it's mostly stuff that you see all the time in books- there's a kick to seeing the portraits in person, but you won't see anything you haven't seen before. London is chock full of great museums and places to visit, but for many of them the costume content is minimal. One of my personal favs is Hampton Court Palace but you can spend a full day there without even trying and the costume content is scattered. With the V&A you get a good costume collection, as well as a needlework/textiles gallery where you can get within an inch of the items and a jewelry gallery that has a fantastic collection of jewels from the Renaissance on. just my tuppence, Karen Seamstrix > > > I'm also looking for a budget-oriented place to sleep, as the flight > I > am planning arrives at Midnight local time and we'll be knackered. > Someplace quiet, clean and comfortable is all we need. We won't be > in it > long enough to want much more than a bed and plumbing. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 11:45:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PFjnfi010423 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PFi4bY043314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFi1J4055483; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay03.mail2web.com (xrelay03.mail2web.com [168.144.1.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PFhrmL055308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.168] (helo=M2W060.mail2web.com) by xrelay03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dx574-00028l-15 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057125154328594@M2W060.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6PFhrmL055308 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:09:15 -0500 Dawn writes: > I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next > spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a > day looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only > really have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, > unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? > V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? For costume related stuff in one location, you can't beat the V&A. That should absolutely be your first choice. The other ones are great too, but you won't get much costume stuff at the Tower. The National Portrait Gallery is nice, but generally the subject is more important than their clothing so it's not really great for costume stuff. The Elizabethan and Tudor gallery is really nice, but you can easily see it in less than an hour and it's mostly stuff that you see all the time in books- there's a kick to seeing the portraits in person, but you won't see anything you haven't seen before. London is chock full of great museums and places to visit, but for many of them the costume content is minimal. One of my personal favs is Hampton Court Palace but you can spend a full day there without even trying and the costume content is scattered. With the V&A you get a good costume collection, as well as a needlework/textiles gallery where you can get within an inch of the items and a jewelry gallery that has a fantastic collection of jewels from the Renaissance on. What is your "period"? I believe the V and A have reopened the Costume Court, but the last time I was there they had closed everything before about 1800! So do check before arriving. My fvourite is the Museum of London (I am a volunteer there so I admit I am biased.) It is a small museum, but they have a nice display of 18thC printed cotton gowns and banyans, and a time line from 1800, both men and women. Some of Queen Victoria's parliamentary robes (replica petticoat by me!) and some late Victorian clothes in another case. There is a lovely "shop window" display of 18th century clothing too, both real and replica. And there is the Cheapside hoard, a wonderful collection of early 17th century jewellery, and two gable headdress frames, and purses and belts from medieval. (And you can get round it in half a day! - the V and A is huge!) Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 12:05:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PG5CZq010584 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PG4g1J045571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PG4d50071604; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PG4YN7071472 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:04:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507251544.j6PFi29c055496@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:04:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2005 16:04:29.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[898E3DC0:01C59132] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Strutt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of my long term projects is back tracking sources, and seeing who was using what when writing costume (and specifically shoe) related texts. This week I finally got a hold of a copy of Strutt's _A complete view of the dress and habits of the people of England_ (1796) [there is a 1970 reprint], and have to say that from a historiographical perspective it's fascinating. I find it really interesting how little the known and accepted 'facts' have changed since the 18th century, and where they -have-. If you are interested in (mostly English) historical costume, you might want to find a copy of this -- not to use as a guide mind you, but to see where things have come from. And it's possible to find tiny nuggets that have been dropped out of later repetitions. As a note for further information back-tracking shoe stuff, I recently managed to get a copy of the C. Roach Smith collection catalog (1854), which has some interesting drawings of medieval shoe parts (including one, the long toe of a poulaine, that has been reprinted in a variety of later works - most of which describe it as armor. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 12:25:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PGPwx1010700 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PGPIwG048180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGPDKi088401; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGP5mt088233 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12855 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:45:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:45:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Strutt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Marc Carlson wrote: > One of my long term projects is back tracking sources, and seeing who > was using what when writing costume (and specifically shoe) related > texts. This week I finally got a hold of a copy of Strutt's _A > complete view of the dress and habits of the people of England_ (1796) > [there is a 1970 reprint], and have to say that from a > historiographical perspective it's fascinating. I find it really > interesting how little the known and accepted 'facts' have changed > since the 18th century, and where they -have-. If you are interested > in (mostly English) historical costume, you might want to find a copy > of this -- not to use as a guide mind you, but to see where things > have come from. Tracking back is one of my longtime recurring themes in my work as well, and when you track back costume in English, you always come back to Joseph Strutt. He was a fascinating figure as a researcher, too, being mostly a dedicated amateur (in the traditional sense of the word) and antiquarian, as well as a professional engraver and artist. He wrote his first book (on medieval English antiquities) when he was only 24 years old. I spend a lot of time talking about Strutt and his influence (which was enormous, and continues today) in my lecture on the origins of costume sources, which some of you have heard. Strutt essentially invented the field of English costume history, so many of the longstanding assumptions of the field originate with him. In fact, sometime he got things right that got twisted or confused with later scholars -- most notably James Robinson Planche, who edited Strutt's work into a "new and improved" edition in the 1840s (after publishing his own costume history in 1834). A lot of Planche's emendations were wrong; it's interesting to compare his version with Strutt's original 1796 edition. The latter is available for view in quite a few rare book rooms. It's worth the perusal. I don't recall seeing the 1970 reprint of Strutt; Marc, is it of Strutt's original, or Planche's edited version? An affordable facsimile of the original Strutt would be a lovely thing to have. Drea has an original edition of Strutt, of which I am very jealous. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 12:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PGbijG010748 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:37:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PGbE93049364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGbAeA097682; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGb4vN097602 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [68.167.253.142] (helo=boris) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dx5wt-00029x-Qb for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:37:04 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=P6I+3I37fj9VA6oAn3lvEPa2D7EPhxtxFXDGaQ3qDt3y0dJDWAp/D+koGhFah1EV; Message-ID: <01ed01c59137$25cd7da0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Strutt Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:37:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd487874a5c2bd08646f71987d2c66c5263ca8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.142 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (snip) > I don't recall seeing the 1970 reprint of Strutt; Marc, is it of Strutt's > original, or Planche's edited version? An affordable facsimile of the > original Strutt would be a lovely thing to have. > > Drea has an original edition of Strutt, of which I am very jealous. > > --Robin If you happen to have an extra $600 laying around... http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetailsPL?bi=376521152 The 1970 reprint is of the 1842 edition, sadly, and itself is going for around $125. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 12:45:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PGjQ8J010762 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PGirBd050358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGim7X003895; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PGihag003799 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.143 ([204.127.205.143]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072516443701100km6g9e>; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:44:37 +0000 Received: from [192.150.22.150] by 204.127.205.143; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:44:37 +0000 From: colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:44:37 +0000 Message-Id: <072520051644.23991.42E516F500086EB500005DB722007637040B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y29sbGVlbi5tY2RvbmFsZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Roscelin wrote: Can someone give me a name of a good book > on medieval dyes that I may be able to find at my local library? The > dye recipes I am looking for are a pink (more of a dusty rose) and a > bluish violet. Depending on what time period you are researching, two sources that I found very useful when I was researching what dyes would have been used to achieve specific colors for a 14th century Florentine dress are: Brunello, F. _The Art of Dyeing In The History of Mankind. Vicenza : Neri Pozza Editore, 1973. The Plictho: Instructions in the Art of the Dyers Which Teaches the Dyeing of Woolen Cloths, Linens, Cottons, and Silk by the Great Art as Well as by the Common; Translation of the First Edition of 1548 by Sidney M. Edelstein and Hector C. Borghetty. Cambridge, MA: The M.I.T. Press, (1969). You may also want to look at these sources: The Red Dyes: Cochineal, Madder, and Murex Purple A World Tour of Textile Techniques by Gosta Sandberg. Hardcover, ISBN: 1887374175 Publisher: Sterling Pub Co Inc, 1997 Madder Red: A History of Luxury and Trade Plant Dyes and Pigments in World Commerce and Art by Robert Chenciner Hardcover, ISBN: 0700712593 Publisher: Routledge I haven't used the last two, so I can't vouch for the contents. Good luck! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 13:40:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PHepan011278 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PHduKx056457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PHdnI4045259; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PHdhiB045085 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IK700GZW2DFTAL3@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:39:45 -0400 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <072520051644.23991.42E516F500086EB500005DB722007637040B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42E523E1.8090005@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <072520051644.23991.42E516F500086EB500005DB722007637040B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costum Movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, yesterday i got a movie out from the Library and was wondering on you all's reaction /memory of it. I was not particularly impressed, but then, i was watching WHILE sewing so, i was not paying as much attention to the movie as i could have. The movie was LUTHER ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309820/ ) The movie was not in itself very impressive. i thought the acting was ok, but there was no attempt to go in depth so it just seemed like people walking on stage, then walking off stage, and i did not get much of a feeling of a story from the movie. The costumes were also not too impressive. most looked right, but it just did not click ion my brain and give me the feeling of clothes for many of the people. Like Emperor Charles V's costume was gorgeous, but it looked like he was wearing a costume, not clothes. What did others think? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 14:26:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PIQZZ0011570 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:26:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PIQ2uc062127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIPxe6080953; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIPtKr080837 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.64 ([204.127.135.64]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2005072518255011200a8gtee>; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:25:50 +0000 Received: from [72.255.31.174] by 204.127.135.64; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:25:48 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:25:48 +0000 Message-Id: <072520051825.26821.42E52EAC00078627000068C5216028074102019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paintings of Elizabethan era common folk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find more paintings like Hoefnagel's "Panorama of English Society" more commonly known as A Wedding at Bermondsey? Thanks!! Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 14:28:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-out.indra.com [204.144.142.20]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PISOgY011581 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:28:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PIRurE062292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIRscU082343; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PIRoxT082283 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 4602 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 18:59:13 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:59:13 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26959.162.119.64.110.1122316069.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42E523E1.8090005@optonline.net> References: <072520051644.23991.42E516F500086EB500005DB722007637040B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> <42E523E1.8090005@optonline.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costum Movies From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The movie was LUTHER ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309820/ ) The > movie was not in itself very impressive. i thought the acting was ok, > but there was no attempt to go in depth so it just seemed like people > walking on stage, then walking off stage, and i did not get much of a > feeling of a story from the movie. > > The costumes were also not too impressive. most looked right, but it > just did not click ion my brain and give me the feeling of clothes for > many of the people. Like Emperor Charles V's costume was gorgeous, but > it looked like he was wearing a costume, not clothes. I pretty much agree with you. Unfortunately, I bought this one sight unseen. It did make me find out more about Luther because I was interested in how accurate it was. But they do have a disclaimer at the beginning that it was partially funded by the Lutheran church. So I am sure it wasn't as accurate or well done as it could have been. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 15:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PJLT9U012011 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PJK0EA070686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PJJuMN018921; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PJJquA018863 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6PJJePC013674 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:19:42 -0400 Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-55-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.55.205]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PJJjDV026353 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:19:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050725121758.0251b4b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:18:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paintings of Elizabethan era common folk In-Reply-To: <072520051825.26821.42E52EAC00078627000068C5216028074102019 B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find more paintings like >Hoefnagel's "Panorama of English Society" more commonly known as A Wedding >at Bermondsey? Wouldn't it be nice if there were more of these. Oh well. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 16:08:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PK8Vld012490 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PK7XdB075179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PK7KnD052897; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:07:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f25.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIK32V076761 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:19:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507251800.j6PI05Mu061717@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:19:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2005 18:19:57.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[7687F640:01C59145] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Strutt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, rats. As mentioned, this is a reprint of the 1842 edition, which means that the quest continues. Robin, just out of curiousity, what sorts of changes did Planche make? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 16:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PK96Uc012493 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:09:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PK8LNr075228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PK8Lur053555; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIPI7d080426 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:25:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBEC3C954 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E52EA8.8040002@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:25:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London References: <380-220057125154328594@M2W060.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-220057125154328594@M2W060.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What is your "period"? I believe the V and A have reopened the Costume > Court, but the last time I was there they had closed everything before > about 1800! So do check before arriving. I'll look at anything from medieval up to about 1800, but renaissance is really interesting to me right now... And you're right, sigh. The website says the Renaissance amd late medieval rooms are closed until next July. How disapointing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 16:09:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PK9C60012496 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PK8Y9Z075255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PK8Yfk053693; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PIWE2g085455 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6PIW8FA016839 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:32:08 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-62.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (24.196.146.62) by mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2005 14:29:13 -0400 Message-Id: <440397$fvk135@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,140,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="536478821:sNHT694412592" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costum Movies Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:29:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWRP/zKCf1lVscFQICGRNCmcmrzYwABnhdg In-Reply-To: <42E523E1.8090005@optonline.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Being rather interested in the Reformation, I thought the movie did a great job of laying out Luther's role and how everything happened in the two hours allotted to feature films. My own costuming experience is later (1570-1600), but things looked pretty darn good to me. I really liked it a lot. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of J Schueller Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Costum Movies Hello all, yesterday i got a movie out from the Library and was wondering on you all's reaction /memory of it. I was not particularly impressed, but then, i was watching WHILE sewing so, i was not paying as much attention to the movie as i could have. The movie was LUTHER ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309820/ ) The movie was not in itself very impressive. i thought the acting was ok, but there was no attempt to go in depth so it just seemed like people walking on stage, then walking off stage, and i did not get much of a feeling of a story from the movie. The costumes were also not too impressive. most looked right, but it just did not click ion my brain and give me the feeling of clothes for many of the people. Like Emperor Charles V's costume was gorgeous, but it looked like he was wearing a costume, not clothes. What did others think? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 16:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PK9vUD012499 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:09:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PK9SEm075356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PK9RQ8054337; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PJhBcZ035144 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6PJh5T06196 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:43:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:47:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: reproduction shoes? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, Can you give a quick and dirty comparison of modern and historical lasts? I assume it has to do with the left/rightness of the lasts. Thanks! Althea On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Marc Carlson wrote: > > > A major problem with most people doing historical shoes these days is > the shapes of the lasts. They tend to use modern lasts, which becomes > gradually more noticeable the earlier you go. I don't mean this as a > criticism of anyone in particular, I'm just frustrated by the > situation. > > Marc > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 16:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PKiaeT012769 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PKhxVN079258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PKheVi079355; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PKhRiY079042 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E833BEE8F for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E54EED.1050702@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:43:25 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bustle pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mmmm... I feel a bit like a Nanny or a school teacher... It looks a stif. Probably just a bit to simple for my taste. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html There is still a lot of work to do on the bodice to get it right. Have to take out the sleeves again since they are stil not looking right. And it looks like I have huge shoulder muscles :-) . I am planning on making a nice little straw hat to make the look complete. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 17:04:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PL4D10012908 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PL3iNk081219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PL3bSc093799; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PL3TiQ093634 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.236]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050725210320.SSBN5596.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:03:20 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050725155722.029f4a20@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:03:18 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nesat 7 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. I have not had a chance to do more than skim, but there are several fascinating articles in it! Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 17:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PLTdOH013105 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PLTGWe083836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PLTE4d012842; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PLTB34012753 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1053097nzd for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Aa9HmIT3qOyV+o8N56+kZP8kdVIhYRq0PXHubDkQKZy5qWCKgSiHyK9j6hIzjLnXjxa4Ear2DYexG6R9jBqofzHsZudiS8/aK7M2MtrgvXicQ/IQfL7M7j13Hst7jZ/9gzvu3i2gZyGKS1bVxT8lkFTA9Rj6fNNtgbykYdC6uec= Received: by 10.36.227.61 with SMTP id z61mr2497396nzg; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:29:05 -0400 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6PLTB34012753 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko said: >I am all to aware of how heavy metal jewelry will be for the hats, which is something I am very worried about. If only it could look like gold, feel like gold, but weigh as light as a feather. >I do want a good reproduction of the jewelry that I intend on wearing, but for the hat I may have to go with something lighter, even if it isn't quite portrait perfect. Why would you want it to be light as a feather?! Everyone knows is *isnt* real if it doesnt have heft. I've just returned from Italy (poor me) and found a lovely repro jewelry shop in Florence. Tharros Jewelry. The website is, as yet, non-existant. Tho they say "coming soon". All of the pieces are copied from local paintings & frescoes. (You know, places like the Galleria Accademia, The Pitti Palace, Uffizi and those wonderful Ghirlandaio frescoes in every church all over town.) Dee-lish! I've uploaded a few photos onto http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos Choose the Florence Jewelry Thassos (I spelled it wrong when I made the folder) to see the pictures. All of the jewelry is 925 silver w gold wash and real, but minor gemstones: amythest, citrine, tourmaline, amber, garnet & others. No rubies, emerald diamond or pearl. The "pearls" are priced like Swarovski crystals, rather than the real thing. The last photo is me on the "softphone" talking to friends in Calif. They bought a few things & so did I. Enjoy dreaming! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 17:30:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PLUOsh013113 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:30:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PLTu3n083898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PLTuPd013347; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PLTqRT013223 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail04.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.144]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQLYNQAT3K4YS for (sender ); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/DOfV0oUwlN4R9/2+d31DzUhcnfLl/pyg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail04.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KYSMDUF2; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:28:07 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail04.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:27:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:27:17 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050725.142807.25189.126864@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2807575931 X-MAIL-INFO: 161414d599d5c5c4d5f46d94c4b9b17091b0b9edb491959589a1c18539e19910a450ad01e9f4a4245034c5e5e961fdc584147d9061690d690c81000c814d11814db990645180a9ade051e9108dadbde9c1f001e971045961916149404d2d816111 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.144|webmail04.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Overall, it looks really nice! Can't wait to see it with all the extra bits too! Karen Seamstrix -- Deredere Galbraith wrote: Mmmm... I feel a bit like a Nanny or a school teacher... It looks a stif. Probably just a bit to simple for my taste. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html There is still a lot of work to do on the bodice to get it right. Have to take out the sleeves again since they are stil not looking right. And it looks like I have huge shoulder muscles :-) . I am planning on making a nice little straw hat to make the look complete. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 17:41:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PLf2RV013171 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PLeEEd085511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PLdShg021725; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PLdEHI021484 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22421); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:39:13 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:39:09 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050725143622.022a01d0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:37:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/991/Mon Jul 25 02:55:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:29 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko said: > >I am all to aware of how heavy metal jewelry will be for the hats, which is >something I am very worried about. If only it could look like gold, feel >like gold, but weigh as light as a feather. > > >I do want a good reproduction of the jewelry that I intend on wearing, but >for the hat I may have to go with something lighter, even if it isn't quite >portrait perfect. > >Why would you want it to be light as a feather?! Everyone knows is >*isnt* real if it doesnt have heft. > >I've just returned from Italy (poor me) and found a lovely repro >jewelry shop in Florence. Tharros Jewelry. The website is, as yet, >non-existant. Tho they say "coming soon". All of the pieces are copied >from local paintings & frescoes. (You know, places like the Galleria >Accademia, The Pitti Palace, Uffizi and those wonderful Ghirlandaio >frescoes in every church all over town.) Dee-lish! > >I've uploaded a few photos onto >http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos >Choose the Florence Jewelry Thassos (I spelled it wrong when I made >the folder) to see the pictures. >All of the jewelry is 925 silver w gold wash and real, but minor >gemstones: amythest, citrine, tourmaline, amber, garnet & others. No >rubies, emerald diamond or pearl. The "pearls" are priced like >Swarovski crystals, rather than the real thing. >The last photo is me on the "softphone" talking to friends in Calif. >They bought a few things & so did I. > >Enjoy dreaming! >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com Lovely jewelry! I hope they get that web site up soon... Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 18:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PMEbtQ013334 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:14:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PMDxoX089543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PMDmOn047648; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay03.mail2web.com (xrelay03.mail2web.com [168.144.1.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PMDfJZ047491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.224] (helo=M2W110.mail2web.com) by xrelay03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DxBCW-00049Y-4z for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057125221357734@M2W110.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:13:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/992/Mon Jul 25 15:48:49 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/992/Mon Jul 25 15:48:49 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6PMDfJZ047491 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What is your "period"? I believe the V and A have reopened the Costume > Court, but the last time I was there they had closed everything before > about 1800! So do check before arriving. I'll look at anything from medieval up to about 1800, but renaissance is really interesting to me right now... And you're right, sigh. The website says the Renaissance amd late medieval rooms are closed until next July. How disapointing. Then give the Museum of London a try - they have some lovely costume related artifacts, and as I said before, are much more time friendly. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 18:48:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PMmLdk013814 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PMlnEl093307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PMlghg072371; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6PMlcdW072269 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42352 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2005 22:47:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZaSMp/pp2A4OZxNgQ7p5zqcsmuxioOuG4rbv11Wb1ahOhsLmTvUkM5ssZY9atVw+MsrNVziaWj8sYrOBUqiFJD3GraAiEsS3qjtyPQneCoIahQ5diB8jpxPMF1IA+FpFpNw3ot2OgWAiCeZ3ghOFfgFT6RxbA0fAeZQB6CL8gfY= ; Message-ID: <20050725224733.42350.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.14] by web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:47:33 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42E4C1F3.2020401@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I live in the USA, about 1 county over from where "Heather" the woman who owns "Truly Victorian" lives, I have meet and talked to Heather at Victorian 12th night celebrations and Victorian Faires, and can vouch that she is not short, I'm 5 ft tall and she towers over me a good foot and a half. She wears her creations at the faires and events too. I haven't been able to access my sewing room as it has become a temp-y storage area during house renovations ,but I do have her Polanaise pattern waitng for me, are there any "adjust for height/length here" lines on the patterns? I can't get tomine to check..... Her web site has an area for questions and help with the patterns, heck she even offered to have people come to her house to get help with the fitting. I'm sure any problem you encountered with the patterns she would be happy to help with, she likes feed back on the designs. Melody --- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > snip...... > It was also way to short. > The TV patterns are made for very short women. > I made the sleeve 10cm longer and still it ended up > being to short. > > snip > Greetings, > Deredere > > >You are right that they are fitted into the > armscye. I know someone else who > >had this trouble with the patterns. > > > >michaela de bruce > >http://glittersweet.com > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 18:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PMmM1o013817 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:48:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PMlnOP093306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PMlgTP072370; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PMleLI072291 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karinne.taylor@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so984274nzp for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:47:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uB+GvQ+tXm3U5I3GSXsgEp6soSulIr/re7Sfx/0n+osfa1ZE/pmGGuXzucj+pWEA5GOrcSvekqfNi+x26S8Go4eJX7pmC3R6+0YwQyEnTx604d5MPCfxXyL/6YvqVQ+qIHzXPOSESiCtp8jqrrYufYODy9JdK43AZIeBTY7ZPlU= Received: by 10.36.221.79 with SMTP id t79mr602885nzg; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.43.5 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76fba00a05072515474dac9229@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:47:34 +1000 From: Karinne Taylor To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paintings of Elizabethan era common folk In-Reply-To: <072520051825.26821.42E52EAC00078627000068C5216028074102019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <072520051825.26821.42E52EAC00078627000068C5216028074102019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6PMleLI072291 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not familiar with Hoefnagel's "Panorama of English Society", however Jane Stockton has reproduced the images from the Civitates Orbis Terrarum, published in 1572. You can find the images here: http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/research/middle_class_elizabethan_clothing.html I hope this helps, Karinne On 7/26/05, Sarafina Sinclair wrote: > Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find more paintings like Hoefnagel's "Panorama of English Society" more commonly known as A Wedding at Bermondsey? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 19:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6PNvMLj014296 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6PNubij099334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PNuVO1009738; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6PNuQKa009687 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D867272A for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:56:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au (b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au [203.100.229.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:56:24 +1000 Message-ID: <1122335784.42e57c283c998@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:56:24 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures References: <20050725.142807.25189.126864@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050725.142807.25189.126864@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm, nice look and great use of detailing on the corset (but lace tighter, tighter, I say, bwa-ha-haa!) By the way, the first bustle I ever made, I realised I could lay on its side to look like the Dr Smith Android Machine. It is hard to see where the problem with the sleeves is from the pics but, perhaps, some simple rotation will cure the problem, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 20:03:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q03R52014369 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:03:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q0362C099804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q034Tm012701; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q032uq012673 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8E6113CE for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725162818.036153e0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:35:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric dying (fwd) In-Reply-To: <1084.67.188.164.116.1122304560.squirrel@www.inreach.com> References: <1084.67.188.164.116.1122304560.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:16 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote: >But I don't know when logwood came >to be used as a dye so the time frame you are talking about is important. I was talking to a friend of mine about blue dyes, as I watched Troy and just fell in love with the bright blues they used. Unfortunately, I've yet to find out if that blue they used was a natural dye, or like most movie costumes, modern cobalt blue dye. Anyways, my friend sent me a number of links on dyeing, mostly about blue or purpura dyes. Here is one of the links he sent that has a timeline of when dyes were used by what countries. It's actually a quilter's site. IMPORTANT DATES IN FABRIC HISTORY http://threadsintyme.tripod.com/id63.htm Here's the pertinent text on logwood: 1614 "Logwood" is developed from (species Haematoxylon campechianum), tree of the pea family (Fabaceae), native to Central America and the West Indies. The name is sometimes applied also to Condalia obovata, a tree of the buckthorn family (Rhamnaceae) native to southwestern North America. H. campechianum grows 9-15 m (30-50 feet) tall and has a short, crooked trunk. The leaves are pinnately compound (feather-formed), with rather oval leaflets. The small yellow flowers grow in a cluster from the leaf axil (upper angle between branch and leaf stem). The wood is heavy and extremely hard. A black dye, also called logwood, is obtained from the heartwood. I see from this listing that Brazilwood is available earlier: 1321 The East Indies and India export Brazilwood. Later Brazilwood becomes a source of dye for textiles. Brazilwood is a dense, compact dye wood from any of various tropical trees whose extracts yield bright crimson and deep purple colors. In ancient and medieval times, the brazilwood imported to Europe from the Middle East was Caesalpinia braziliensis ) and other species of Caesalpinia. Caesalpinia echinata (called pau-brasil in Portuguese) is indigenous to the Brazilian coast and played a role in the naming of that country. I only wish the site gave citation to where this timeline came from. But it is very interesting to read. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 20:03:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q03Y9k014373 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:03:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q036wP099805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q035pR012707; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q032fC012677 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124DD113F4 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725164421.03615e20@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:52:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:29 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: >Why would you want it to be light as a feather?! Everyone knows is >*isnt* real if it doesnt have heft. > >I've just returned from Italy (poor me) and found a lovely repro >jewelry shop in Florence. Tharros Jewelry. The website is, as yet, >non-existant. Tho they say "coming soon". All of the pieces are copied >from local paintings & frescoes. (You know, places like the Galleria >Accademia, The Pitti Palace, Uffizi and those wonderful Ghirlandaio >frescoes in every church all over town.) Dee-lish! <> Hello Cynthia, Thanks so much for sharing those pics. I just drooled all over my keyboard. I have got to tour Europe sometime soon!! (and hope they get that website up soon in the meantime). Yep, I've never been to Europe. Been to Japan, and Mexico once, and toured all the USA when I was a baby, and that's it. I know real jewels have to have some weight to them. It's why so many of the modern repros just don't have that rich, expensive look to them, because they are made of flat brass bits (which is pretty, but doesn't look right). The reason why I wanted the jewels to be lighter was because I thought actual metal jewels would put a huge strain on the French hood I am making. However, I have come up with a theory that I am working on verifying that might help the F-hood to hold up to the strain of gold and jewels all over the top. I will share more when I get the darn hood done! (my fingers don't like the hand sewing of a curved object). Thanks again. I am going back to drooling again. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 20:03:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q03aWR014376 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:03:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q03HtQ099840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q03GCa012818; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q033Hg012684 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC002113F6 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725165218.0361b190@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:53:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paintings of Elizabethan era common folk In-Reply-To: <76fba00a05072515474dac9229@mail.gmail.com> References: <072520051825.26821.42E52EAC00078627000068C5216028074102019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> <76fba00a05072515474dac9229@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:47 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote: >I'm not familiar with Hoefnagel's "Panorama of English Society", >however Jane Stockton has reproduced the images from the Civitates >Orbis Terrarum, published in 1572. You can find the images here: > >http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/research/middle_class_elizabethan_clothing.html > >I hope this helps, Karinne Thank you Karinne for sharing that link. I've been wanting some images to share with a friend who is doing "middle class" research for his next garb. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 20:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q0E1uc014417 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q0Da0e001413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q0DZqM017812; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q0DU61017763 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16540 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:34:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:34:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Strutt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Marc Carlson wrote: > Robin, just out of curiousity, what sorts of changes did Planche make? Oh, you would ask! It's been ten years since I've compared them, and it was at a time when I was looking at a *lot* of books from that period, so I don't trust my memory. I think mostly it was footnotes commenting on Strutt's text, and also IIRC the pictures are smaller and not colored. I don't know if they were re-engraved (which could mean serious differences in the visual details); I'd have to compare them to remind myself. Strutt's original pictures were one to a page in a nice spacious layout, and hand-colored. I just dug out a Xerox of Planche's introduction to his edition. He says that he corrected things like dates on artworks, manuscript numbers, verses and line numbers on quotations, and such. I'm sure he did catch some errors by Strutt, but given the number of errors I've found in Planche's own work, I'd frankly want to doublecheck everything back to the source rather than trust anything he had his hands on. Planche marks his footnotes in brackets, but I would not put it past him to have made subtle changes to the text as well. He occasionally "fixed up" sources in some of his other work. Strutt, by contrast, placed a higher value on faithful reproduction; his errors tend to be those of misinterpretation, not intentional adjustment. Planche literally calls his revision of Strutt the "New and Improved Edition." Tee hee. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 20:41:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q0f36I014581 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:41:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q0e7s9003459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q0e3Xp029872; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q0dug8029759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q24EZD017145 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:04:14 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:39:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20050725155722.029f4a20@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050725155722.029f4a20@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507252039.50345.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 25 July 2005 5:03 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. I have not had > a chance to do more than skim, but there are several fascinating articles > in it! I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8, finally, on Saturday. Both have some very interesting articles, though NESAT 8 in particularl is really making me think about learning German. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 21:05:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q150Zt014690 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:05:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q142Ga005070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q140Ym040352; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q13u4x040317 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m28.in-tch.com [216.166.191.28]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6Q0wAR12164 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42E58D65.90504@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:09:57 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London References: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd suggest either just do the V&A (can't go wrong with that place!), or go to the National Gallery, which is right near the National Portrait Gallery, so you could do both galleries. --Sue, who hasn't been there in 3 years, and is rapidly getting a serious jones to go back.... Dawn wrote: > I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next > spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day > looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really > have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, > unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? > Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 21:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q1u5Qc014976 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q1t2gq010330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q1swix062423; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80008.mail.yahoo.com (web80008.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.168.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6Q1suff062412 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from primevalooze@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84572 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 01:54:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qnwscYFPdy4S9abJ4lKcwIWyHnLNq+hXe4t2s7EdnPzYTgbejMQOTIEmvKFdjrHTsTVMzQYzh3XHSVoZCe2GAOy1Krdh1JdO7PtuyqM6tbpzAR2j90BgpZiczrKI71Xo7jAX+hGCv7VeidYQHsbD5qhVIzMHYBsLRAKDSkfKS7Q= ; Message-ID: <20050726015456.84569.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.250.152.17] by web80008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:54:56 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynda Boots To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in 14th C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for a coronation would be appreciated. Thanks. Lynda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 25 22:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q2EdPA015122 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:14:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q2E7uo012269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q2E5qT070847; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q2E2nl070794 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gmcdavid@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (c-24-118-125-130.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.125.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050726021356014001lldte>; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:13:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:14:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Glenn McDavid X-X-Sender: gmcdavid@Lilah.McDavid-home To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing In-Reply-To: <20050726015456.84569.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050726015456.84569.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Lynda Boots wrote: > I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in 14th > C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for a > coronation would be appreciated. May I ask why? IIRC, that is a _very_ depressing part of Byzantine history. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@comcast.net gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 00:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q4aYgM015932 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:36:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q4ZsBX022826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q4ZpT0030117; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6Q4ZlRR029995 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87775 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 04:35:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FbeByQIzJD7h2NeRGjb5/mfnv8dRJ14SX0YXH+lyzB1k8rx5Bas8/ThdF6d2HVpANx1nDlM+YRi6AXXGSoqSJBIu+wJx4MIijPFjQoyzAWo3QjiaERxyvdxX64Xbe/ewImrhgzB7JAjvm0PJjvUGU+5OJvUOYpfeAzQFGzUx4mk= ; Message-ID: <20050726043542.87773.qmail@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:35:42 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the vote for the V & A. It is to die for. And don't just hit the costume rooms...the British Galleries also have a lot of costumes, and some of my favorite items. Dawn wrote:I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? I'm also looking for a budget-oriented place to sleep, as the flight I am planning arrives at Midnight local time and we'll be knackered. Someplace quiet, clean and comfortable is all we need. We won't be in it long enough to want much more than a bed and plumbing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 01:05:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q55TRe016182 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q554d4024891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q552VT041061; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6Q54w3g041003 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6057 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 05:04:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dwogZbJ9k/OOJb+RnQIQYF2mPbpackx8AbPNsgB7cOzI6iJMEIWU35fpQREJ1MI54rpp6ehQZH89Uds+RAkGlR1S0zb8Fz18kFeIQ+HacV2WN4ZIrpOdSC577x7s3wid8pMG5SP7Muw1aGOyPVJBLWMWYVpBQqsDwgJ9mgxQK0g= ; Message-ID: <20050726050453.6055.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:04:53 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42E5009B.7050203@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn. Go to the V&A especially if you are interested in textiles and period embroidery. They have a study collection that can be seen at really close hold, behind glass. Unfortunately their elizabethan part of the main exhibition is closed at the moment, will probably be open again when you get there. If you are females only you can get a room at Queen Alexandra's house for 25£ a night, breakfast included. It is a college dorm room, with toilets in the hallway, but cheap and nice, and 10 minutes walk from the V&A ;-) Right next to the Royal Albert Hall. Hope you have a nice trip. Just came back from a week there friday. Tania Dawn wrote: I'm looking into squeezing in a day in London on our holiday next spring, and was wondering what's the best place to go spend half a day looking at costume and clothing related items? I'll probably only really have time to spend at one location, so I want to make it a good one, unless there are two quite close to each other. Tower of London? V&A? Portrait Gallery? Any suggestions? I'm also looking for a budget-oriented place to sleep, as the flight I am planning arrives at Midnight local time and we'll be knackered. Someplace quiet, clean and comfortable is all we need. We won't be in it long enough to want much more than a bed and plumbing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 02:07:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q67BiH018315 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q66XmF028087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q66UWj062562; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q66QQA062529 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1DxIa91Q7C-0002la; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:06:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c591a8$2b070220$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050726043542.87773.qmail@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:06:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a suggestion for those wanting to go to London. I am on United Airlines frequent flyer email list. During Feb. & Mar. 2005 flights to London went for around $200 ISD (roundtrip) from Dulles airport in DC. At one point, the price dropped to $175. I saw flights from Chicago to London for just a little bit more. The catch is that you have to purchase the ticket within the week of the offer, and you can travel anytime for a month and stay up to a month. United is also affiliated with British Midway (BMI). So the flights may be on that airline instead of United. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 02:09:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q69wmN019195 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q69eqY028314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q69e1C063671; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q69btF063651 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1DxIdD3zvN-0002mZ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c591a8$923a3a70$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050726050453.6055.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:09:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The jewelry collection of the V&A or London Gallery is also something to behold. I can't remember which one museum has the collection. The diamonds, emeralds, and rubies are stunning! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 03:29:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6Q7T3UN011552 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:29:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6Q7SM1u032857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q7SJSI093721; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6Q7SFXG093681 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449CE31916F for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E5E60E.9040206@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:28:14 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve question bustle gown References: <20050725224733.42350.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050725224733.42350.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are lines to adjust the length on the skirt patterns. Not on the bodice pattern. I lengthed the skirt by 6" en my hem is 1" deep. And I am 1m 78cm. The only thing I don't like on the *TV460 *are the gathers at the sleeve top. There were way to much gathers and it looked silly. But I think she did a really good job on the patterns. They are the simple shapes for the garments and are so easy to adjust to make them more fancy. Melody Watts wrote: >Hi, >I live in the USA, about 1 county over from where >"Heather" the woman who owns "Truly Victorian" lives, >I have meet and talked to Heather at Victorian 12th >night celebrations and Victorian Faires, and can vouch >that she is not short, I'm 5 ft tall and she towers >over me a good foot and a half. >She wears her creations at the faires and events too. > I haven't been able to access my sewing room as it >has become a temp-y storage area during house >renovations >,but I do have her Polanaise pattern waitng for me, >are there any "adjust for height/length here" lines on >the patterns? I can't get tomine to check..... > Her web site has an area for questions and help with >the patterns, heck she even offered to have people >come to her house to get help with the fitting. >I'm sure any problem you encountered with the patterns >she would be happy to help with, she likes feed back >on the designs. > Melody > >--- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > > >>snip...... >>It was also way to short. >>The TV patterns are made for very short women. >>I made the sleeve 10cm longer and still it ended up >>being to short. >> >>snip >>Greetings, >> Deredere >> >> >> >>>You are right that they are fitted into the >>> >>> >>armscye. I know someone else who >> >> >>>had this trouble with the patterns. >>> >>> >>> >> >michaela de bruce >> >> >>>http://glittersweet.com >>> >>> >>> > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 08:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QCN7UR019434 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QCLNhd063852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCLI3K004837; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCLHfl004774 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1250955nzd for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:21:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LyzBihNLpM1w9kImGq3VOgI0GvZVdgeOeb7WVqWkzHVQe1OzevIJIoAVK9h0NDmxHauKwVmND2/pp1TN8P2R2FIHVWneAHVD4avETd3jOFaOVjfK4y1XdppEEwA6ASVS0xms1uk/jwuf41enN17hVEYopYkPKeOrAnHBfuMmUWY= Received: by 10.36.177.1 with SMTP id z1mr327668nze; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:21:11 -0400 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6QCLHfl004774 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy (Cin) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ha, found the business card in my luggage. It will be www.Tharros.com when it comes to life. The business seemed relatively new for all that it had 2 shops on the street in Florence and a full case in the Pitti Palace bookshop (where I took some of the pictures). --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 08:41:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QCf34s019560 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:41:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QCeRbD065047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCeQH9012993; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCePGw012952 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1256201nzd for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PW5+n1Y64mP1O+LvE8Rh9+1MHT7jVlgGBbqp3iiwZBAXED9KflFHUDJDmgFhMPGq+Cduu07m5xkSngTw9pSP0FDzYj93nApLnZduYDB4Xl2RvH5iYuYiAI5T8jL/FPonukbzPeiR2ZuxBxS5amh/AsZ3ghxmaO5CAGPDvvWYFnA= Received: by 10.36.19.3 with SMTP id 3mr347164nzs; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:40:20 -0400 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6QCePGw012952 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Hello Cynthia, >I know real jewels have to have some weight to them. It's why so many of the modern repros just don't have that rich, expensive look to them, because they are made of flat brass bits (which is pretty, but doesn't look right). The reason why I wanted the jewels to be lighter was because I thought actual metal jewels would put a huge strain on the French hood I am making. However, I have come up with a theory that I am working on verifying that might help the F-hood to hold up to the strain of gold and jewels all over the top. I will share more when I get the darn hood done! (my fingers don't like the hand sewing of a curved object). >Thanks again. I am going back to drooling again. >Kimiko No prob. Love to share a good source. Love to be the first to find same! I'm fairly new to Elizahoovian, tho not to sewing and not to milinery. My first french hood, which couldnt take the weight of Swarovski pearls, looks good anyway, if a bit plain. I've started the "dog house" gabled hood a la Catherine of Aragon. What a monster. It could support a gold brick. Maybe two. Having erred in either direction, I'm hoping that next time, I can get something in the middle ground. Wouldja couldja post an F-hood photo or 6? Since I've not yet seen you IRL, I'd love to get an idea of your work. Thanks. Ciao! Gotta catch a flight to NYC & the Met. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 08:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QCrvBO019637 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QCrZZw065871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCrYsE018884; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QCrUla018846 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6QClhR17734 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42E633B3.1030502@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:59:31 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London References: <20050726050453.6055.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c591a8$923a3a70$6800a8c0@Penny> In-Reply-To: <000e01c591a8$923a3a70$6800a8c0@Penny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mmmm...that reminds me. The Cheapside Hoard lives at the Museum of London. Really impressive! --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > The jewelry collection of the V&A or London Gallery is also something to > behold. I can't remember which one museum has the collection. The > diamonds, emeralds, and rubies are stunning! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 09:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QD24m0019716 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:02:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QD1iHU066748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QD1hxY022770; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6HAatJb025686 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66271 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2005 10:36:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xG1s2YkT2lZvRB0CnuFkCdX2laRpEKc8D7ORMtFYKrcp3wqaV61BzyATESOWQ7WVGUf8lYBS6SgOB/S7gXbHvhQtfa5mJgX7Lps2QiDWl8CwTUKH+yyp0sgKpjTKRRzxB26/jNGoFV83VODgp0j0BFKMNElLKfDdahqz9yGaUpo= ; Message-ID: <20050717103649.66269.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.137.41] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:36:49 BST Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:36:49 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: net.indra.com 1128; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/979/Sat Jul 16 15:51:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Rome and Venice Holiday - helpful suggestions/comments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO REPLY &THANKS TO ALL Very many thanks to all of you who have contributed suggestions [or are still thinking of doing so] for sites to visit; and thus are helping us to plan our itinery for both cities. When going to an unknown area, nothing beats advance Intelligence briefings from people who have visited the area already, and have no "personal axes to grind" - [unlike guide-book authors, who are getting paid to write "good stuff" ]. God's Benison upon you all, and your Houses, this Day and until The Judgement. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 09:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QD28K0019719 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:02:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QD1iZw066747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QD1hpH022771; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6DGxtH2077219 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 54038 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2005 16:59:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hBQsGwGoNKrywLhMtXv3H3AgYc/c3CXR4VDSIjn+WZX5yJFABdMJx9Z//BSimQzjy6f3ynanBoQrtH9z4Upk8MiYDRcmZS5xa8Gz9UDctZU7U0ubrV346A7g8sJ6wnBWBlh7jx+hnODe/lTJOCHu6vB9BgdX+2NVBuHocqFBiLo= ; Message-ID: <20050713165949.54036.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.143.70] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:59:49 BST Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:59:49 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:01:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My wife and I are going to Italy in 3 weeks time, spending a week in Rome for her to visit as many historic Catholic Sites as she can cram into the week; - and then on to Venice for me, where I have long wanted to visit the Murano Glass makers, and a "working" boatyard building Gondolas, and the historic Arsenale - or at least the parts open to the Public, - which was the world's first "production-line shipyard". Given our interest in the late-mediæval period, may I ask Listers for their suggestions of Museums and Collections to visit in both cities, where the exhibits would be of particular interest to a couple of enthusiastic re-enactors of English/Norman/Breton** 15th Century life? [** - all 3 Polities had their influence on Life in 15th Century Jersey.] We've never been to either city previously, and although I have already spent quite a number of hours online looking at tourism sites for Rome & Venice, there is so much "historic" listed , that choices will be hard to make without a little bit more "knowledgeable input". So suggestions from Listers who've been fortunate enough to visit both cities' historic sites will be very welcome indeed. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 09:21:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QDL3ui019861 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QDKXj2068073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QDKWjw032458; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QDKRXE032424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6QDGN5v017474 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:16:23 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E6389D.1080207@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:20:29 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rome and Venice Holiday - helpful suggestions/comments References: <20050717103649.66269.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050717103649.66269.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your message just now came through on the H-Costume list; the server had a hiccup. Venice: Murano was a disappointment, except for the glass museum. It's a big island (when you're on foot) and there are seemingly hundreds of glass shops, many of them selling obvious mass-produced imports, such as little molded creatures, painted glass where the color comes off in the wash, or lampwork beads, which the proprietors swear were made by their family around the corner. Watching some of the glassblowers at work is fun, but their work sells for hundreds of dollars. What I really enjoyed shopping for in Venice was an unusual paper-mache mask. And as far as touristing, just walking around in the areas far away from the major tourist spots was really fun. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Let's see: a game where the object is to kill hundreds of innocents is ok, but the minute you have consensual sex in it, it needs a Congressional investigation. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 10:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QEApIL020208 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QE9sri071557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QE9pvA059647; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6QE9lax059541 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12203 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 14:09:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pjWuCoAsuBR2MA1ZI8gVoRVfEBRjOHD+nBVDu3liabOzY7oZea75bzK/MgUZ4IRVPZXIKRqgOD0ebVtNwsx2aK/PGUmetys3nD7cOEs434b5GH0Dt78QRi92MMPagppkccczajSSDFzt6j25kL8vORKt95dYSbL8cq5ZtqoIn+M= ; Message-ID: <20050726140942.12201.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:09:41 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42E54EED.1050702@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You look wonderful and I love the fancy work on the corset. Did you do it by hand? Thanks for sharing, Chris G. Deredere Galbraith wrote: Mmmm... I feel a bit like a Nanny or a school teacher... It looks a stif. Probably just a bit to simple for my taste. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html There is still a lot of work to do on the bodice to get it right. Have to take out the sleeves again since they are stil not looking right. And it looks like I have huge shoulder muscles :-) . I am planning on making a nice little straw hat to make the look complete. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 10:51:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QEp0d0020458 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QEoZY2075895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:50:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QEoV7p085435; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QEoRTr085338 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IK800D0CP6M8ZU1@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.177]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:49:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:49:34 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting t-tunics To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sorry I am replying to this soooo late - my computer sometimes 'eats' messages. Any way, I would love to help you with this web site. I am always making T-tunics that fit badly. I am a broad shouldered, long armed, long torso, short rise, slim build lady. No matter how I try to 'tweak' the tunic I end up with something that looks like a potato sack - or worse. I would love to end up with a tunic that: sits properly on my shoulders/neckline, allows me to do work without the sleeves getting in the way, long 'bell' sleeves, enough width in the 'skirt' area for me to walk normally, slightly fitted in the torso area. hhmmmm..... ooopppsss I guess tunic fitting is a 'hot button' for me..... Katheryne who is now trying to find a rock to hide under J Schueller wrote: One website that i would love to do (when i have the fitting ability) is do a web site with various people and show the first fit of a t-tunic, and then how it looks as one changes each measurement to get a great fitting tunic. can you tell that i am a math teacher (methodical, methodical, and methodical) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 10:53:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QEracL020479 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QEr7gl076143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QEr7YJ087085; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:r5xxX25SYUIHiZjGpUbtjfCN3SthZyoV@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QEr2GS087018 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j6QEr1wx024365 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:01 -0400 Received: from dci012034014030.discovery.com ([12.34.14.30]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50303.12.34.14.30.1122389581.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000a01c591a8$2b070220$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <20050726043542.87773.qmail@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c591a8$2b070220$6800a8c0@Penny> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think you mean British Midlands, which is one of my favorite airlines and especially the way the flight attendants dress - gloves and hats while in the airport! Good idea about the e-mail list; I should check that out. Often there are good fares advertised in the paper, but then they say "one way based on round trip, other charges apply" - which basically means double it and add $100. Which may still be a good deal, but be sure to read the fine print before getting too excited. The V&A is nice, as is the Museum of London. The Museum of London is sort of set up as a timeline of London history, and I think it's well done and of interest to those of us who like any period of history. -Carol > I have a suggestion for those wanting to go to London. I am on United > Airlines frequent flyer email list. During Feb. & Mar. 2005 flights to > London went for around $200 ISD (roundtrip) from Dulles airport in DC. At > one point, the price dropped to $175. I saw flights from Chicago to > London for just a little bit more. The catch is that you have to purchase the > ticket within the week of the offer, and you can travel anytime for a > month and stay up to a month. United is also affiliated with British Midway > (BMI). So the flights may be on that airline instead of United. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 11:11:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QFBNbZ020636 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:11:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QFAPDm078092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QFAN58099400; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QFAImd099249 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.142 ([204.127.205.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072615101201100ki31le>; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:10:12 +0000 Received: from [192.150.22.150] by 204.127.205.142; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:10:11 +0000 From: colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:10:11 +0000 Message-Id: <072620051510.17957.42E65253000B7B7A0000462522007481840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y29sbGVlbi5tY2RvbmFsZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. > and Cathy Raymond wrote I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >> Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of each of these here? Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 11:26:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QFQoZ5020809 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:26:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QFQIUa079636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QFQFlx010901; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QFQCBc010785 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7AF3C955 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:26:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E6563C.3030707@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:26:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London References: <20050726043542.87773.qmail@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c591a8$2b070220$6800a8c0@Penny> <50303.12.34.14.30.1122389581.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <50303.12.34.14.30.1122389581.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Which may still be a good deal, but be > sure to read the fine print before getting too excited. I noticed a lot of internet fares right now being advertised at about $650 round trip, which is a great deal, but when I look closely there are several hundred dollars in fees and taxes added on that make the price the same as the 'regular' fare. They do that with hotels a lot too. Taxes can almost double the cost of travel, and surprise you if you aren't paying attention. > > The V&A is nice, as is the Museum of London. The Museum of London is > sort of set up as a timeline of London history, and I think it's well > done and of interest to those of us who like any period of history. > I think I'll be giving the V&A a miss, since a lot of what I really want to see won't be on display. We'll hit the National Gallery and the Museum of London, have a nice cup of tea, and find our train... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 13:29:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QHTGkw022219 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:29:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QHSWOc093324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QHSRUp006044; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QHSL6t005911 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE53BF0CD for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E672AE.9080908@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:28:14 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures References: <20050726140942.12201.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050726140942.12201.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I did the embroidery by hand. The inspiration came from a cream/white embroidered corset in the book from the Kyoto museum. It is on page 279 on the left of the middle row. Deredere Chris wrote: >You look wonderful and I love the fancy work on the corset. Did you do it by hand? > >Thanks for sharing, >Chris G. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 14:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QIg18p023029 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:42:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QIaAqh002054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QI5udb035300; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QI5IDU034707 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6QI5daR020112 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:05:39 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.189] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.189]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QI55dP329748; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:05:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050726102635.0264a928@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:04:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: ASCII t-tunic pattern (was Re: [h-cost] Fitting t-tunics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/993/Tue Jul 26 01:28:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >No matter how I try to 'tweak' the tunic I end up with something that >looks like a potato sack - or worse. > >I would love to end up with a tunic that: sits properly on my >shoulders/neckline, allows me to do work without the sleeves getting in >the way, long 'bell' sleeves, enough width in the 'skirt' area for me to >walk normally, slightly fitted in the torso area. I can get a t-tunic dress that fits me out of 4 yards of 45" wide material. I use underarm gussets and side gussets. My basic pattern is, as near as I can do in ASCII (using a fixed-width font), as follows, except that it will take extra fabric to make the long bell sleeves: basic t-tunic, front view, NOT to scale |<--sleeve-->|<----body---->|<--sleeve-->| __________________neck__________________ | | \__/ | | |____________| |____________| | / \ | underarm | / \ | hanging | / \ |<--gussets--> | / \ |<-sleeve | / \| |/ \ | piece | / | | \ | | / /| |\ \ | |/ / | side | \ \| / / |<--gussets--->| \ \ / | | \ / | | \ / | | \ (lengthen as needed) The body piece is about shoulder width, and the underarm gussets make the ease and fitting the bust needs. The side gussets allow you to walk. The sleeve pieces will be shorter than you think they should be because the shoulder seam drops off the shoulder a little. Sew the bias edges of the side gussets to the sides of the front and back pieces. Make the underarm gussets a square cut on grain, fold it diagonally and sew it in so that it's bias on the diagonal/folded edge under your arm where it needs to stretch. Tie your sleeve points together behind you when you're working or there's no way to keep them out of what you're doing. Cooks/servers didn't wear dangly sleeves when cooking/serving, or if they did they got them out of the way somehow so the things didn't flop into the Master's food. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 15:01:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QJ16SJ023277 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QJ0Z1C004667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QJ0WvM079793; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:00:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QJ0QF8079681 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 08FC95EE094 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:00:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] off topic about ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have found a dealer of Suzhou Embroidery Silk Thread on ebay. He has listed his threads in bundles after colours, each bundle has 6 skeins of the same colour in darker to lighter shades. More than 400 colours in all. As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, i have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money this way. He only can receive a money order or check. Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would you recomend me to use ebay? It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 16:18:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QKIn0H024000 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QKI6p3013214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QKHwVj037576; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QKHoVk037438 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A6A3C955 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:17:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E69A88.7060907@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:18:16 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay References: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > He only can receive a money order or check. > Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or > would you recomend me to use ebay? > It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. I would take a very good look at the sellers feedback and see if he has a good record of transactions with others over the last six months or year. If there are any negative comments, what are they for? Is it for bad service, or because the buyer changed his mind? And I would pay by check, because your bank can tell you if it was cashed and will have the record, which you do not get so easily with a money order. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 16:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QKfoqs024187 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:41:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QKfK4N016238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QKetHK055448; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QKeQxg055113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-1.sonic.net [209.148.113.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QKeOm8010257 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:40:25 -0700 Message-ID: <42E69FBC.5060003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:40:28 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay References: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42E69A88.7060907@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <42E69A88.7060907@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Postal money orders at least can be researched as cashed/not cashed, provided you save the money order number. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > And I would pay by check, because your bank can tell you if it was > cashed and will have the record, which you do not get so easily with a > money order. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 17:16:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QLGgeN024471 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QLGCRV020377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QLG9q7082398; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web80001.mail.yahoo.com (web80001.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.168.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6QLG3jh082316 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from primevalooze@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63657 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2005 21:16:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tST4MqdKvv+8M6qfM06IbVKNA3xdxG4S+EQrlY5Gccankvjyn4EbZ1T6VRXwvBf0fZISRANao4D4ukVqKYtlMP7hIu46B8Yd4/G3IO7AUtTU9GPChaLlRSP5KP5NP9nC9HXpm9v3ALbP75+Qg5fpE0/BEjnxu/QJHBom2mqTKsg= ; Message-ID: <20050726211603.63655.qmail@web80001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.65.105.136] by web80001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:16:03 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynda Boots Subject: Re: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Her main interest is in Malta of that period but the Byzantium influence there was very strong. Lynda --- Glenn McDavid wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Lynda Boots wrote: > > > I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in > 14th > > C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for > a > > coronation would be appreciated. > > May I ask why? IIRC, that is a _very_ depressing > part of > Byzantine history. > > Glenn McDavid > gmcdavid@comcast.net > gmcdavid@winternet.com > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 17:29:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QLTRkR024599 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:29:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QLSXYB022023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QLSPml091152; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f26.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QLSGBH090975 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:28:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507252247.j6PMli65072389@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:28:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 21:28:11.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECA635B0:01C59228] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:reproduction shoes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: Althea Turner >Can you give a quick and dirty comparison of modern and historical lasts? >I assume it has to do with the left/rightness of the lasts. Not necessarily -- the right/left/straight thing is a commonly held myth, when in fact the truth could differe fro time to time, and even with social class. In general: In the Middle Ages shoes were generally made right and left on separate lasts (although it seems that straights were a possiblity in certain circumstances, and definately an option for peasant shoes). In the immeadiate post medieval period, when non-turned shoes became the norm, lasts remained right and left. After 1600, probably due to the introduction of separate raised heels, straights gradually became the norm, so that by the 1700s people had generally forgotten they had been any other way. In the late 1700s, "crooked" lasts were rediscovered and gradually the new technology developed out of that, so that by the mid-1800s the norm was once again right and left. --------------------------- In general the difference in last shape produced a different shaped shoe. My best examples are some links to pictures. Compare the shape of the shoe in the following pictures: Not made on a last: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/russboot2.jpg Made on a 1950s "flat" shoe last. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/monday4.jpg Made on a repro 1400 era last: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/boot.JPG The last for the preceeding looks like: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/15th+century+German+style.jpg This is a 1300s era repro last. So, some lasts look like lumps of wood, while others are far more developed. And even by the early 1200s, some of the extant shoes hint at that raised toe spring and upswept waist. For a comparison - this is a last from the 1970s: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/1970s+last.jpg Looking at them from the front and top, there are similar detail differences in last shapes. Does this help? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 19:25:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6QNPRPI025371 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:25:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6QNOe0Z033605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QNOaNA072080; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QNOV5H072019 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7400A3460B for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050726155608.03569608@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:16:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French hood (was Repro medieval & renn jewelry -- from Italy) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:40 AM 7/26/2005, you wrote: >No prob. Love to share a good source. Love to be the first to find >same! I'm fairly new to Elizahoovian, tho not to sewing and not to >milinery. My first french hood, which couldnt take the weight of >Swarovski pearls, looks good anyway, if a bit plain. I've started the >"dog house" gabled hood a la Catherine of Aragon. What a monster. It >could support a gold brick. Maybe two. Having erred in either >direction, I'm hoping that next time, I can get something in the >middle ground. > >Wouldja couldja post an F-hood photo or 6? Since I've not yet seen you >IRL, I'd love to get an idea of your work. Thanks. > >Ciao! Gotta catch a flight to NYC & the Met. >--cin Hiya Cynthia, I am slowly working my way through my second French hood (1545 time frame). My first was made years ago and badly at that, so I figured while I had some time not devoted to a gown or man's outfit, I would work on accessories for me. I am pregnant with my third child so I really can't do a fitted gown right now, and have no reason to make my kirtle until this winter for next spring's events. So, on this new hood after some research, I've wired the buckram, mulled the two pieces (base and coronet), hand sewn the fabric on base, and just started pinning the lining on that as well. I have a dress diary that has some photos and lots of musing of what I am doing, including the theory I mentioned. http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/ I also hope to get a gabled hood as well after this f-hood is finished, and a tall hat for my Elizabethan dress. I usually rush through the accessories that having time to research and construct well is a nice change, even if I don't get to wear it until next spring or fall. The only other millinery project was my husband's Italian bonnet and an old Elizabethan pill box hat that I have no pictures of, yet. I learned a lot from the Italian bonnet (like how much I hate curved needles). Well before I ramble on too much, enjoy your trip to the Met! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 20:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R0OCoq025693 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R0NWLq039684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0NUa8003559; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0NOM6003503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-216-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.93]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6R0NMap027866; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:23:22 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Tudor Fashions" , "SCA Banter" , "Renaissance Tailor" , "reenactment ladies" , "historic costume" , "Costumers of Lochac" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:22:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, many of you may remember the original Am I Period or Not website run by Kirrily Roberts, well now myself and a team of assistants are reviving the idea at http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. This new Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday. Right now the website is in it's infancy there are 5 16th century outfits but we're happy to expand (right now there are a lot of empty albums). So if you're interested in seeing other people's work or you want to see your own work critiqued (though be warned, not everyone on the internet is polite so if you're sensitive about your work you might want to re-think sending it in) come along and have a look. Fell free to pass this message on, but be warned geocities doesn't deal well with floods of people viewing the site all at once, and you may get an error message if a lot of people all turn up at once. enjoy, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 20:29:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R0TOTd025724 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:29:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R0SnUZ040010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0Sm6o006020; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0Sikj005986 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B560F1797E for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050726172039.035a1fd8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:26:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay In-Reply-To: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:00 PM 7/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I have found a dealer of Suzhou Embroidery Silk Thread on ebay. >He has listed his threads in bundles after colours, each bundle has 6 >skeins of the same colour in darker to lighter shades. More than 400 >colours in all. >As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, i >have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money this way. >He only can receive a money order or check. >Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or would >you recomend me to use ebay? >It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. > >Bjarne Hi Bjarne, Is the seller chinaembroider? If so, I wonder why such a low feedback score of 2, when they have been on eBay since Sept of last year, and only one is from a buyer of their threads? I also wonder why he states on the auctions that he *does* accept credit cards through PayPal, but doesn't do so when bought outside of eBay? There are two too many questions for me to feel comfortable on this, although it could be legit. You could try a bundle or two in eBay, to see if it is worth your time and money. Considering the low starting bid I see, it may be worth a chance, and if you use Paypal, you would have some record of the payment in case there is a problem. Then if things are fine, you would feel better about ordering more from this seller. That's what I did for some silk I ordered from a seller in India. I am happy with them, and will be ordering more. My thoughts fwiw. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 20:45:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R0jQG6025806 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R0iw5j041776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0irBa014091; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0ioj2014004 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.7e.6e3ccdd1 (15875) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r24 (mblk-r24.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.14]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e0342e6d8f52a1; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:37 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7605B8027C0BE-1278-DE8@mblk-r24.sysops.aol.com> From: morses3@aol.com References: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050726172039.035a1fd8@64.87.54.245> Received: from 68.10.25.241 by mblk-r24.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:37 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050726172039.035a1fd8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13360 Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.14 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko wrote: I also wonder why he states on the auctions that he *does* accept credit cards through PayPal, but doesn't do so when bought outside of eBay? As someone who makes a big percentage of his income from selling on eBay and who has had a bank merchant sales account for 25 years, I feel qualified to answer this question. Many eBay merchants have a PayPal account and can accept all the forms of payment through PayPal that PayPal accepts (in fact, they soon will be *required* to do so by eBay), since the customer is actually paying PayPal and then PayPal is transferring the money to your account. In order to accept credit cards directly from a customer, you have to have a merchant sales account through your own bank (and jump through all the hoops necessary to have that account and to process payments). For many merchants, it's not worth the trouble or expense, especially since PayPal has made it so easy. In service, Geffrei de Warenne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 21:05:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R15jPj025935 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R15Hud043385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R15Emq024420; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R15Akq024336 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 7C51218001B8 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:05:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Jul 2005 01:05:05 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DAB486B11; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [149.169.167.81] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:05:05 -0500 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:05:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.167.81 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050727010505.6DAB486B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6R15Akq024336 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian wrote: > > My wife and I are going to Italy in 3 weeks time, spending a week > in Rome for her to visit as many historic Catholic Sites as she can > cram into the week; - and then on to Venice for me. I've never been lucky enough to travel to Italy, but my general suggestion for anyone traveling is to check out the BBS on www.lonelyplanet.com (if I remember correctly, it is called the Thorn Tree), they generally have good suggestions about food, accomodations ect. have fun, Katie -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 21:29:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R1Tff2026130 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:29:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R1T1iM045073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R1SxGL035295; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QJPpUp098403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-97.sonic.net [209.148.114.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6QJPnRM018348 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: <42E68E42.2090904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:25:54 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic about ebay References: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <005e01c59214$597331d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my experience there is no more risk buying from an eBay seller "outside the auction" than inside it. eBay in reality does little or nothing to protect the buyer's interests. Oh, they give you a "dispute form" so you and the seller can communicate (which you could do anyway). And--if you're willing to pay $25 for the privilege--after going through this "dispute process" eBay will try and get the seller to cough up. How hard eBay tries, and how well they succeed, I don't know. In any case I think you get only three of the "dispute resolutions"--not the form, but the process where eBay tries to claim from the seller--in a lifetime. Meaning, you probably don't want to bother unless a lot of money is involved. So all you get, if you buy at auction rather than from an eBay seller "outside" one, is the dispute form and the privilege of paying $25--three times only--to let eBay try and collect for you. What you really want is seller reliability. That is good inside and outside the auction. A few negative feedbacks over a selling lifetime probably don't matter. Some people are really irrational and will slap hysterical revenge feedback if the buyer complained even mildly about them. I've had a seller give me revenge feedback in return for a positive feedback they thought wasn't glowing enough, and use obscenities in it too. You don't have to pay attention to this kind of stuff. But anyone, even a "Power Seller," with thousands of feedbacks, who's getting several negatives a month, is worth worrying about. Especially if these are all of the same type, and show a pattern of merchandise never arriving, or bad quality, or some such thing. Or they're all about the type of thing you're buying--all the negatives are about the embroidery thread this seller sells, even though buyers all love the fabric or whatever else they sell. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > As i want to buy quite a large amount of this thread in many colours, > i have asked the dealer if i can buy outside ebay, to save the money > this way. > He only can receive a money order or check. > Would you consider this to be much two risky to buy outside ebay, or > would you recomend me to use ebay? > It would be very slow if i should bit on all those bundles i want. > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 21:30:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R1UGj6026137 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:30:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R1TlHE045192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R1TkuG035745; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R0VQ2Z007307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6R0RJ5v024598 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:27:20 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E6D5E0.1030900@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:31:28 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) References: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> In-Reply-To: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send > in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded > onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they > are and leave comments. Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of joke submissions, like the former version? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 21:42:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R1gUm2026190 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R1g34Q046124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R1g3UK041485; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R1fwai041444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-216-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.93]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6R1fuOC005301 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:41:57 +1000 Message-ID: <008601c5924c$46f5a280$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> <42E6D5E0.1030900@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:41:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send > > in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded > > onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they > > are and leave comments. > > Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of > joke submissions, like the former version? > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Well I've created a category for fantasy creations with a tenuous link to history and I'm going to cut out much of the fetish wear (as the terms of use for the site that's hosting the photos says anything they define as pornography will get the account cancelled and all the photos deleted so I'm going to err on the side of caution). I haven't decided yet what to do if I think somebody has requested the wrong category, hopefully this will be predominantly serious attempts and the jokes will be confined to the 'other' category Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 23:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R3MRCq026975 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:22:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R3Liev054684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R3Lew8088934; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R3LaU4088856 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FD23C558 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E6FDDE.5010200@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:22:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) References: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> <42E6D5E0.1030900@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42E6D5E0.1030900@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Is it going to be a serious website, or a joke website, with lots of > joke submissions, like the former version? > If you're looking for a fairly serious feedback site, try here: http://slumberland.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=5 Looks like it's only medieval and renaissance, but the folks there seem to be pretty mature about the comments thing, and since the site requires registration there's little or no abuse. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 26 23:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R3ekdX027087 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R3eJbx056207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R3eHhY097421; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R3eG8t097381 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from karinne.taylor@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so113414nzp for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:40:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s+uCSfMAGEGfDpy/XZ7T2OfpJJVvkK7jdX0PHJqJajZqbi3y2/sGTGSF+PAv3VbgOr33ruFmNL+DqTmNnGb/UjWn2fkj6WdeSu5HUeOrGXM8URAzhYass+cDqFTano8oXrWadaqdcmUeHv+/Nfw0u3hKDeWqHR3uFE0wB5GGrSo= Received: by 10.36.252.49 with SMTP id z49mr436869nzh; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.43.5 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <76fba00a05072620401beb5f53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:40:10 +1000 From: Karinne Taylor To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) In-Reply-To: <42E6FDDE.5010200@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c59241$4d9a1400$5dd8f5dc@e9q5h8> <42E6D5E0.1030900@thibault.org> <42E6FDDE.5010200@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6R3eG8t097381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the compliments :) There is a section for post 16th century, and one of "not-so-period" but most of our membership is focussed on pre-16th century clothing. So it doesn't get much traffic. That can of course change. we are always welcome to new members, it's a samll but active community. Cheers, Karinne 16thC Moderator for MedCos site On 7/27/05, Dawn wrote: > If you're looking for a fairly serious feedback site, try here: > > http://slumberland.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=5 > > Looks like it's only medieval and renaissance, but the folks there seem > to be pretty mature about the comments thing, and since the site > requires registration there's little or no abuse. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 00:04:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R44PHO027232 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R43nCA058416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R43lD5008404; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R43drS008194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R5S0p8015069 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:28:02 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Table of Contents--NESAT 7 (was Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:03:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <072620051510.17957.42E65253000B7B7A0000462522007481840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <072620051510.17957.42E65253000B7B7A0000462522007481840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507270003.29190.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:10 am, colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net wrote: > Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. > > > and Cathy Raymond wrote > I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >> > > Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of > each of these here? Sure. I'm a sucker for requests for help. I have the Table of Contents for 8 in a jpeg that includes the order form, but this list doesn't permit attachments and I don't (yet) have a website to post the jpeg on, so I will have to input both by hand. There is a website that lists the contents of NESAT 7 (and someone in fact posted it to this list), but I didn't save it and can't find it again despite many Googling efforts. Some of the articles in both NESATs are in German, and some of the authors are French or of other nationalities whose names require certain diacritical marks. I don't read German, and since I'm not doing this email in HTML markup, any diacritical marks will be missing. Please take that into account when reading this. Finally, I'm going to put each table of contents in a separate email so that neither post is excessively long. Here goes. __________________________________________________________________ NESAT 7--TABLE OF CONTENTS: Northern Archaeological Textiles--NESAT VII edited by Frances Pritchard and John Peter Wild. Oxbow Books, 2005. ISBN: 1 84217 162 3 1. Carmen Alfaro Giner, "Gold Textiles from a Roman Burial at Munigua, (Malva, Seville)." 2. Isabelle Bedat, Sophie Desrosiers, Christophe Moulherat, Caroline Relier, "Two Gallo-Roman Graves Recently Found in Naintre (Vienne, France)." 3. Frauke Kadereit, "Das Madchengrab der Fallward: Vorlaufiger Bericht." 4. Antoinette Rast-Eicher, "Fruhmittelalterliche Textileien aus der Nordostschweiz." 5. Lisa Vanhaeke, Chris Verhecken-Lammens, "Textile Pseudomorphs from a Merovingian Burial Ground at Harmignies, Belgium." 6. Anne Hedeager Krag, "Denmark--Europe: Dress and Fashion in Denmark's Viking Age." 7. Lise Raeder Knudsen, "Brocaded Tablet-Woven Bands: Same Appearance, Different Weaving Technique, Horning, Hvilehoj and Mammen." 8. Eva Andersson, "Textile PRoduction at Birka: Household Needs or Ogranized Workshops?" 9. Philippa A. Henry, "Who Produced the Textiles? Changing Gender Roles in Late Saxon Textile Production: The Archaeological and Documentary Evidence." 10. Eva-Maria Pfarr, "Handwerk oder Industrie? Erfahrungen bei der Herstellung eines hochmittelalterlichen Wollgewebes auf dem Gewichtswebstuhl." 11. Lise Bender Jorgensen, "Textiles of Seafaring: an INtroduction to an Interdisciplinary Research Project." 12. Bill Cooke, Carol Christiansen, "What Makes a Viking Sail?" 13. Susan Moller-Wiering, "Textiles for Transport." 14. Else Ostergard, "The Greenlandic Vadmal." 15. Jerzy Maik, "Stand und Notwendigkeit der Forschungen uber die mittelalterliche Wollweberei auf dem sudlichen Ostseegebiet." 16. Milena Bravermanova, "The Collection of Archaeological Textiles at Prague Castle." 17. Klaus Tidow, "Textilfunde aus dem dreizehnten bis siebzehnten Jahrhundert: Neue Fund--Neue Erkenntnisse." 18. Hanna Zimmerman, "Sixtennth-Century Textiels from Two Sites in Groningen, The Netherlands." 19. Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, " 'The Apparel oft Proclaims the Man'--Late Sixteenth-and Early Seventeenth-Century Textiles from Bridge Street Upper; Dublin." 20. Malgorzata Grupa, "Women's Roves Excavated from the Burial Crypt in the Holy Virgin Mary's Chruch,l Torun, Poland." 21. Anna Drazkowska, "The Influence of Western European Fashion on the Clothing of Torun's Townsfolk." 22. Michael L. Ryder, "The Human Development of Different Fleece-Types in Sheep and Its Association with the Development of Textile Crafts." 23. Karen-Hanne Staermose Nielsen, "A Preliminary Classification of Shapes of Loomweights." 24. Gertrud Grenaander Nyberg, "Remarks Concerning Some Details of Early Spinning Wheels." END OF VOLUME -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 00:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R4h6xU027898 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:43:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R4gJfu061264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:42:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R4gFkk024715; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R4g9hP024635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R66Saq015822 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:06:32 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Table of Contents--NESAT 8 (Was: Re: [h-cost] Nesat 7 & 8) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:41:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <072620051510.17957.42E65253000B7B7A0000462522007481840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <072620051510.17957.42E65253000B7B7A0000462522007481840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507270041.58275.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 26 July 2005 11:10 am, colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net wrote: > Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > NESAT 7 was delivered today (in Arkansas) from David Brown. > > > and Cathy Raymond wrote > I got mine this past Tuesday (Pennsylvania) and my copy of NESAT 8. >> > > Is there any chance we could talk you into posting the table of contents of > each of these here? Here comes NESAT 8. NESAT 8--TABLE OF CONTENTS Priceless Invention of Humanity--Textiles. NESAT VIII, edited by Jerzy Maik, Acta Archaeologica Lodziensia Nr 50/1 (2004). ISSN: 0065-0986 1. Carol A. Christiansen, "A Reanalysis of Fleece Evolution Studies." 2. Fabienne Medard, Christophe Moulherat, Sophie Mery, "Discovery of Charred Yarn in a Bronze Age Burial at Hili (Abu Dhabi Region, United Arab Emirates)." 3. Carmen Alfaro Giner, "Late Roman Textiles in the North of Spain ("Las Ermitas," Vitoria). 4. Ida Demant, "Textiles and Dress-Fasteners from Lerdal Grave 101." 5. Heidemarie Farke, "Textiles Spuren in einem kaiserzeitlichen Grab aus Horddeutschland." 6. Katarzyna Barska, "The Roman Period Warp-Weighted Loom from Ozarow Mazowiecki, Poland." 7. Chris Verhecken-Lammens, March Rogge, Antoine De Moor, "Textiles found in a Merovingian Woman's Grave at Beerlegem, Belgium." 8. Marianne Vedeler, "Pleated Fragments fo Clothing from Norway." 9. Ulla Mannering, "Dress in Scandinavian Iconography of the 5-10th Centuries A.D." 10. Antoinette Rast-Eicher, "Early Medieval Costume in Switzerland." 11. Anne Hedeager Krag, "New Light on a Viking Garment from Ladby, Denmark." 12. Milena Bravermanova, "The Oldest Textile Items from the Reliquary Tomb of St. Ludmila." 13. Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, "A Tenth Century Cloth from Bogstown Co. Meath." 14. Malgorzata Grupa, "Textiles from the Early Medieval Cemetery at Kaldus, Pomerania, Poland." 15. Eva I. Andersson, "Written Traces--Wills in 13th to 15th Century Scandanavia." 16. Susan Moller-Wiering, " Schiffbau und Textil: Ansatze zu einer systematischen Untersuchung von Kalfat." 17. Lise Raeder Knudsen, "Written Patterns in Early Tablet Weaving." 18. Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, "Ein koptisches Textilfragment in Leinwand-Schuss-Kompositbindung aus der Sammlung des Nationalmuseums in Warschau." 19. Marek Trojanowicz, Isabella Surowiec, Jowita Orska-Gawrys, Bogan Szostek, Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, Magadalena Biesaga, "Chromatographic Examination of Dyes Extracted from Coptic Textiles from the Collections of the National Museum in Warsaw." 20. Klaus Tidow, "Neue Funde von Webstuhlteilen und Geweben aus Ausgrabungen in Braunschweig (Niedersachsen) und Wiesloch (Baden-Wurttemberg)." 21. Fabian Peise, "Eine Lubecker Kase im Danziger Paramentenschatz." 22. Hanna Zimmerman, "Sixteenth-Century Hose and their Manufacture.' 23. Anna Drazkowska, "17th and 18th Century Clothing from Children's Graves Discovered in the Church at Kostryn on the Oder, Poland." 24. Gudren Bottcher, "Versuche und Erge Bnisse bei der Rekonstruktion von Nadelbindungstextilien." 25. Britt Nowak, "Zur Bearbeitung and Konservierung von Goldfaden aus dem fruhmittelalterlichen Mannergrab 21 in Lauchheim/Mittelhofen (Ostalbkreis/Baden-Wurttemberg)." 26. Elizabeth E. Peacock, "Moseforsog--Two Generations of Bog Burial Studies. Interim Textile Results." 27. Eva Andersson, "The Reconstruction ;of Archaeological Textiles, A Source Critical Approach." END OF VOLUME. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 00:47:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R4loxZ027925 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:47:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R4lQvP061575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R4lO1E026891; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R4lKBi026853 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.147.51.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.147.51] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Dxdp6-00004h-00; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:46:18 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , margospatterns@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0529-2, 07/21/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Good News X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have to brag! It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND HELP!!!! 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Thank you. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 01:14:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R5EC6v028227 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:14:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R5Dkc6063098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R5DiJu036668; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay04.mail2web.com (xrelay04.mail2web.com [168.144.1.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R5DePU036579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.143] (helo=M2W038.mail2web.com) by xrelay04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DxeEY-0008BU-10 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057327513349@M2W038.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6R5DePU036579 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, many of you may remember the original Am I Period or Not website run by Kirrily Roberts, well now myself and a team of assistants are reviving the idea at http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ If you aren't familiar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. This new Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday. Right now the website is in it's infancy there are 5 16th century outfits but we're happy to expand (right now there are a lot of empty albums). So if you're interested in seeing other people's work or you want to see your own work critiqued (though be warned, not everyone on the internet is polite so if you're sensitive about your work you might want to re-think sending it in) come along and have a look. Fell free to pass this message on, but be warned geocities doesn't deal well with floods of people viewing the site all at once, and you may get an error message if a lot of people all turn up at once. enjoy, I wish you luck with your new venture. However, the original website took a picture from my personal website without my permission - a fantasy costume and so specified - and made a critique as if it was an historical one. I do hope that this will not happen on your new version. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 01:17:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R5HkHI028252 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:17:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R5GDvI063234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R5GDwZ037615; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R5G9nL037597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6R5G97t021470 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:16:09 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Good News Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh My! I've been looking through the Drachenwald photos lately since we now have a drachenwaldreminiscencers yahoo group (wanna join?) I think I have the posed pic of the Baby Blue Cavalier. Still, My vote goes for the red silk Byzantine! Regina > It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still > in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a > dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" > (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in > real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop > dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother > keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 02:43:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R6hsoS010962 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R6hAUE067759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R6h50Y070848; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R6h14Q070799 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C243C26B for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:43:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 96B31D419 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:42:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO May I recommend Elizabethan with pearl work? or this in Italian http://www.fabric.com/cotton-velvet-fabric-coral-stria.aspx -----Original Message----- I have to brag! It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND HELP!!!! The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 04:46:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R8k4kf009194 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:46:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R8jNAY088074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R8jKsb012645; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R8jHfG012630 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKyxe-1DxhXP3oUy-0002l2; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c59287$87c3e610$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050726043542.87773.qmail@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c591a8$2b070220$6800a8c0@Penny><50303.12.34.14.30.1122389581.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <42E6563C.3030707@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:45:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received my United Airlines newsletter today. If anyone would like for me to forward it to you, please contact me privately. Carol, you are correct, it is British Midlands. The stewarts were so nice to me and helped carry my bags. They also feed you all the way to England and back. Tickets to England and back from Washington DC, generally go in the $600 to $800 range during peak season and if you purchase them a month or so in advance. Within the past year we have purchased three round trip tickets and the price was around upper $400 to lower $500s. The last one we purchased was in March before the airlines raised rates for gas prices. When I was in London, my very favorite place was St. Paul's Catheral. The artwork is beautiful! I also loved our day trip to the Bath Costume Museum. I was very impressed with their costume displays. I wasn't impressed with the permanent V&A costume exhibit... to much high fashion. The storage and textiles areas were closed when I was there. I loved the crown jewels at the Tower of London. I could have stayed there all day staring, if they would have let me. I am not a big jewelry fan, but these jewelry exhibits that I mentioned today and yesterday were just breathtaking. Susan, my asst. told me that there is a hand-fan museum in London. She tried to find it on her trip to England but was unsuccessful. Maybe some of our London list members can give better directions to the museum and if they have been there, provide a review of the collection. Is it worth finding. If anyone is going to Liverpool, I can suggest a couple of must-see places there. One day I will get my photos online from that trip. Currently I am putting online antebellum homes from the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Maybe I'll get to the Liverpool/Wales photos after the Back-to-School/Halloween rush season. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 05:04:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R94Z90012572 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R9443f089080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R943nx019464; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R93xoa019442 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 16B9F262867 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c5928a$2cb74e80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:04:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Steven, Congratulations with the lottery, gosh what a treat! I couldnt resist in notice your line with Violet Bengaline for a suit. What is Bengaline, havent got a clue? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] Good News >I have to brag! > It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in > shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen > ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" > (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in > real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop > dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps > giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet > Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala > Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great > coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing > Teddy might wear. AND AND AND > > HELP!!!! > > The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 05:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R98abl012975 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R98IkX089549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R98HJt021185; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R98DA7021161 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DE143262814 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:08:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001f01c5928a$c7106610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:08:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your responses, well i think that many of you are right, i should be cautious. I have desided to ask him if he will make a "package" of the bundles i want and make it so that i can bit on this package at ebay. If he dont want, well then i wont buy. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 05:26:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R9QNcB015664 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R9Pvir091165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R9PumK029697; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R9PqxD029654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.233] (helo=M2W118.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DxiAc-0005hs-6T for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200573279262678@M2W118.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:26:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London/Fan Museum X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6R9PqxD029654 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan, my asst. told me that there is a hand-fan museum in London. She tried to find it on her trip to England but was unsuccessful. Maybe some of our London list members can give better directions to the museum and if they have been there, provide a review of the collection. Is it worth finding. The Fan Museum is slightly outside the centre of London, and not really close enough for a quick visit if you are limited for time. It is at Croom's Hill, Greenwich and has a web site, which I don't have to hand. It is housed in two 18th century houses, with a small garden and does cream teas (!!!) Greenwich is a fascinating place for a day's visit any way - National Maritime Museum, markets, Cutty Sark, beautiful architecture - well worth it. And at the top of the hill in Blackheath is the Ranger's House housing a wonderful portrait collection from the very early 17th century Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 05:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6R9c5i6017659 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6R9bhkK091631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R9bgEk033504; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6R9bc2l033475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-219-61-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.61]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6R9bbcN011418 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:37:37 +1000 Message-ID: <00f501c5928e$afbf7a60$3ddbf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <380-220057327513349@M2W038.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:36:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I wish you luck with your new venture. > > However, the original website took a picture from my personal website > without my permission - a fantasy costume and so specified - and made a > critique as if it was an historical one. I do hope that this will not > happen on your new version. > > Suzi > I will do what I can to stop image theft but I don't have the resources to search the internet every time somebody submits a picture so, I'm going to work on a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. However I will keep a record of the name of the person who submits a photo and if somebody brings it to my attention I will ban any image thief from submitting more photos. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 06:26:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RAQRNR030460 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:26:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RAPlp9093591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RAPfWT049493; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay03.mail2web.com (xrelay03.mail2web.com [168.144.1.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RAPcUS049467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.216] (helo=M2W103.mail2web.com) by xrelay03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dxj6Q-0001MJ-PX for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057327102524590@M2W103.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6RAPcUS049467 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I wish you luck with your new venture. > > However, the original website took a picture from my personal website > without my permission - a fantasy costume and so specified - and made a > critique as if it was an historical one. I do hope that this will not > happen on your new version. > > Suzi > I will do what I can to stop image theft but I don't have the resources to search the internet every time somebody submits a picture so, I'm going to work on a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. However I will keep a record of the name of the person who submits a photo and if somebody brings it to my attention I will ban any image thief from submitting more photos. Elizabeth Thank you for your reassurance. I think the premise behind the original one was - "Take any image and do a critique" which I think is questionable to say the least. If I want a critique of my work I am happy to submit it personally, but as a professional maker, I am bound by customer choice, so often it is not truly "historical". Your new version sounds much more sensible and personal, and I hope it goes well. Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 06:49:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RAnAQ4030589 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RAmeLA094596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RAmcdK057118; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RAmY1t057079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6RAiS5v029508 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:44:28 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E76684.70104@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:48:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) References: <380-220057327102524590@M2W103.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-220057327102524590@M2W103.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk wrote: > Thank you for your reassurance. I think the premise behind the original one > was - "Take any image and do a critique" which I think is questionable to > say the least. The old site didn't specify that it had to be a picture of one's own work, or even if the site was trying to be serious or silly. As a result, it got fairly crazy, and some people clearly thought it was "let's be as unhelpfully critical as possible, for fun." -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent It stressed the "negative effects" of long hair on "human intelligence development", noting that long hair "consumes a great deal of nutrition" and could thus rob the brain of energy. -- BBC about a public-education campagin in N. Korea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 07:19:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RBJ6sg030752 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RBIOQF096427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RBILEG068194; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RBIIbu068135 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.132]) by mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6RBIBg5010534 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:12 -0400 Received: from 71-10-253-68.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO familyroom) ([71.10.253.68]) by mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2005 07:18:11 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,146,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1172562285:sNHT22201694" From: "The Foxes" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c5929c$e114d700$0202a8c0@familyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1fa.d46f5cb.30186dea@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try this site: http://www.briaca.com/art/maternity.html http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady25.jpg Good luck Annette -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of SNSpies@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:56 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers Are there any on-line sites about medieval garb for nursing mothers? Thank you. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 08:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RCrDPB031408 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RCqTFL002542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RCqQpt007204; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RCqJYP007104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133201CDFD3 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 09455-10 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F4191CDD84 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02c501c592a9$b08e95f0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:49:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They have orange and pink velvet for > some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND Ooh! Ooh!! Do the orange and pink, do the orange and pink. And by the way, you suck. ;-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 09:18:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RDIsVa031598 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:18:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RDIUTb004322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDITXJ018787; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDIPSu018754 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m152.in-tch.com [216.166.191.152]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6RDCcR04259 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42E78B0A.1010201@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:24:26 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd be happy to take the problem off your hands entirely! --sue Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > I have to brag! > It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still > in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a > dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" > (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in > real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop > dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother > keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and > Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in > Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new > 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for > some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND > > HELP!!!! > > The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 09:22:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RDMLAX031626 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:22:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RDLlru004506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDLlmE020234; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDLgD3020201 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02465 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:42:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:42:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post) In-Reply-To: <00f501c5928e$afbf7a60$3ddbf5dc@e9q5h8> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I will do what I can to stop image theft but I don't have the > resources to search the internet every time somebody submits a picture > so, I'm going to work on a presumption of innocence until proven > guilty. However I will keep a record of the name of the person who > submits a photo and if somebody brings it to my attention I will ban > any image thief from submitting more photos. Perhaps also make an explicit rule that people are to submit only photos of themselves or costumes they have made (or something similarly restrictive). Otherwise people might assume the purpose of the site is to seek comments on costumes they've seen elsewhere, e.g. "I saw someone wearing this, what do you think?" or "Look what I found, isn't this a hoot?" -- these can be valid questions but probably not what you want in your forum, and that's where the privacy and copyright violations will occur. I think asking everyone who posts pictures or comments to register first might be a good way to cut down on the viciousness that appeared on the original site, if there's some way to allow people to vote/comment without their identities being posted (but perhaps accessible to you). Then you could boot the trolls and ballot-box stuffers. You might also consider making explicit just what the question means. Is it "Please identify every possible error you can spot in this based on your personal knowledge of the period," or -- and I'm guessing this is more likely -- "If you saw this person at an event, rate your overall initial impression from 0 (wandered in by mistake) to 10 (stepped out of a time machine)." Also, consider whether you want to allow people to specify in their picture postings just what they want viewers to consider: the whole outfit or just a certain portion, the period/place/class they're aiming for, whether it's a first attempt, whether it's 95 degrees out and that's why they took off the fur-lined overdress, whether it was an informal snapshot and thus the person happened to be wearing glasses and carrying a clipboard but please comment on the outfit thankyouverymuch. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 09:29:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RDT63Z031664 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RDSdA8005022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDSaUY023640; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RDSWu6023578 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m152.in-tch.com [216.166.191.152]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6RDMgR07059 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42E78D67.9070502@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:34:31 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers References: <1fa.d46f5cb.30186dea@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1fa.d46f5cb.30186dea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not that I know of, although discussions about same do come up on some of the medieval lists that I'm on. Discussions seem to center around the easiest ways to modify historical clothing (e.g., where/how to place a neck slit in an earlier-period tunic or shift lacing lines), or which styles most easily morph into nursing-friendly clothing (like those 16th century surcoats with the slits over the chest). --sue SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > Are there any on-line sites about medieval garb for nursing mothers? > Thank you. > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 10:45:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6REj0RE032297 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:45:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6REi5jP012289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6REi2H0068050; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.fhcrc.org (JARCON.FHCRC.ORG [140.107.42.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6REhwnP067911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from [140.107.73.127] (DHCP073127.FHCRC.ORG [140.107.73.127]) by smtp.fhcrc.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j6REhqEj020667 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:52 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:48 -0700 From: Agnes Gawne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507270904.j6R94HLi019549@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Suggestions for London - Fan Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Fan museum is in Greenwich (near naval museum) also next to the house Daniel Day Lewis grew up in, his father was poet laureate for United Kingdom at the time. There is a plaque marking it. It is an easy walk from the tube station. It is a lovely small museum with a fine orangery in the back. http://www.fan-museum.org/information.asp 12 Crooms Hill, Greenwich, London SE10 8ER Telephone: 0208-305 1441 0208-293 1889 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:45:24 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Suggestions for London > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003601c59287$87c3e610$6800a8c0@Penny> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response >\ > Susan, my asst. told me that there is a hand-fan museum in London. She > tried to find it on her trip to England but was unsuccessful. Maybe some of > our London list members can give better directions to the museum and if they > have been there, provide a review of the collection. Is it worth finding. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 11:28:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RFS8BL032675 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:28:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RFRgTn016951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:27:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFRd2t000917; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6RFRYUD000813 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQRK84A2KTHHA for (sender ); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqVyZCq9eawhKEu591X5kVM= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KYW5HRMW; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:26:50 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:19:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers Message-ID: <20050727.082625.2892.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3388350419 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of mine swore by sideless surcoats. She'd slit the neckline of the undertunic, making flaps which velcro'd closed. When baby fussed, she would open the flap, and discretely nurse under the surcoat. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 11:36:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RFaU0m032759 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:36:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RFZsrD017638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFZr11007012; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFZjFx006892 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.147] (pm5-147.eos.net [205.133.149.147]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6RFZcfT000256 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:35:40 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:27:06 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507270904.j6R94HLh019549@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: suggestions for london X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first time I went to London, my parents insisted that I promise to see the Crown Jewels. Not much interested in jewelry, I balked -- but then I figured I was going to the Tower anyway, so why not? Go. See the Crown Jewels. They are unbelievable, and this from (again) someone not much interested in jewels or jewelry. Get there early before there's a huge line. As far as non-costume things go, I recommend Canterbury. It's a good day trip, and a lovely medieval town. And then you can wear a pilgrim medal! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 11:45:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RFjN2M000373 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RFiWd2018653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFiMBQ013675; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFiGuN013456 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.7a.782af968 (3699) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:44:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2005 9:10:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: What is Bengaline, havent got a clue? Since no one has replied yet--it is one of the crosswise ribbed fabrics (originally made from silk, of course), similar to faille and grosgrain. There is an order of these fabrics from fine ribs to fatter ones, but I don't remember exactly how they fall. I think bengaline is one of the fatter ones. Also, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe some of these have "stuffers" to make the ribs fatter. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 12:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RG3Lsu000586 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RG2khG021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RG2g3l028366; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RG2OvV028156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-33.sonic.net [209.148.113.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RG2LZA010615 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: <42E7B012.8050305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:02:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Am I period or not X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One thing to do might be to have people submit not only their own photos, but a brief statement (like one paragraph) about their goal in creating the costume and what they want out of a critique. Like, their goal was 100% accuracy for a woman's Viking outfit, their goal was to create as good an Elizabethan noble outfit as possible with a total budget of $50 and a total schedule of 80 hours, their goal was to create a really great outfit for Kate in a performance of _The Taming of the Shrew_, their goal was to create a fastasy medievalish wedding dress for a customer, their goal was to create a humorous take-off of an 1860s crinoline dress. etc. Really, the only valid critique of an outfit (or many other things) is whether the creator met the goal they were trying to meet. And how can anyone do that if they don't know the goal? Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 12:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RGn2pA000937 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RGlc6q027011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RGlVk6064693; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RFl8W5016127 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 106575EE085 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:47:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Steven, Now i found out what bengaline is, but seriously when you have won such a price, it would be a shame to make a suit of polyester Steven, even that the colours are lovely, but seriously......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] Good News >I have to brag! > It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still in > shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a dozen > ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" > (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in > real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop > dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps > giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and Violet > Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala > Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great > coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing > Teddy might wear. AND AND AND > > HELP!!!! > > The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 13:19:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RHJIUU001139 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RHIdPc030503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHHu0l088934; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-dav17.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHHeP1088687 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladylibertywon@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.203 by BAY102-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:17:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.203] X-Originating-Email: [ladylibertywon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladylibertywon@hotmail.com From: "Lady Liberty" To: References: <200507271603.j6RG2g0o028385@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:17:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 17:17:35.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[14B6D860:01C592CF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval garb for nursing mothers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello :o ) I am very glad to meet you. I am fairly new to the list, a recent American immigrant to Australia, Susie White. I have had intense urges to sew costumes for as long as I can remember, and having recently joined the SCA, my interest in historical accuracy has zoomed lol I have had reason to comb the net lately for medieval references, and remember seeing something about nursing attire on Margo Anderson's site (www.margospatterns.com) under "Future Releases". She has introduced a package of patterns called, "The Elizabethan Comfort Patterns" which are based on the Janet Arnold Kirtle and Gown from _Patterns Of Fashion_. There are directions for maternity hemlines and breast feeding openings, something I remember well ;o ) lol having had two children, myself. Don't know if this sort of resource is your bailiwick or not, but is the only thing I've found recently. I do wish you well, _and_ plenty of rest!!! Remember to take care of Mom, Nancy :o ) Thank you all so very much for all the information you share so freely, and to the creators of the list... Brilliant!!! Absolutely Brilliant!!! :o ) Susie -----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of SNSpies@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:56 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers > > Are there any on-line sites about medieval garb for nursing mothers? > Thank you. > > Nancy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 13:44:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RHij9d001310 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:44:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RHi5sx033593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHhrSU010489; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHhjda010381 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.117.170.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.117.170]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DxpwW-00040Z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <42E7C79D.9020604@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:42:53 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net> <001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes I know Bjarne. A polyester suit is a bad idea. Even if I was just going to wear it indoors. But those colors are just so wonderful. I am leaning more towards a new Elizabethain. In silk and cotton velvet, seeing I will be selling at a number of faires next year I should have something spiffy to wear. Stephen Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Steven, > Now i found out what bengaline is, but seriously when you have won > such a price, it would be a shame to make a suit of polyester Steven, > even that the colours are lovely, but seriously......... > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" > > To: "Historical Costume" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:46 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Good News > > >> I have to brag! >> It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. >> Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. >> I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby >> Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn >> Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real >> red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that >> my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. >> There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would make a great >> 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even >> look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. >> They have orange and pink velvet for some thing Teddy might wear. >> AND AND AND >> >> HELP!!!! >> >> The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 13:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RHth2D001417 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:55:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RHswvo034719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHsq96018955; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RHskAq018879 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 660AF47FECA for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000401c592d4$56170b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net><001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42E7C79D.9020604@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:55:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/994/Wed Jul 27 02:28:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Steven, What are you selling at these faires? Is it your embroidery? I have had succes to sell 4 embroideries lately for ladies purses, and it is only for people i know on some embroidery lists. I plan to make many more and take with me when i go to the gustavians, hopefully i will be able to sell some to the ladies there. Embroidery is what i do best, and i have as a matter of fact ben thinking about giving up the costumes, and only make embroidery. But then again it is rather drastic to say that i wont make any more costumes, deep inside of me, i know that i will be making more :-) There is a shop here in Denmark where they sell beautifull taffetas, and in colours that are to die for. But unfortunately they are very expensive, it is a shop that sells silks for all the people who goes to party's with our queen, and therefore their collektion is huge, and prices high. Is there a place where we can see your light blue cavalier style? I would love to see it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News > Yes I know Bjarne. > > A polyester suit is a bad idea. Even if I was just going to wear it > indoors. But those colors are just so wonderful. I am leaning more > towards a new Elizabethain. In silk and cotton velvet, seeing I will be > selling at a number of faires next year I should have something spiffy to > wear. > > Stephen > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi Steven, >> Now i found out what bengaline is, but seriously when you have won such a >> price, it would be a shame to make a suit of polyester Steven, even that >> the colours are lovely, but seriously......... >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" ; >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:46 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] Good News >> >> >>> I have to brag! >>> It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. Still >>> in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. I've got a >>> dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby Blue Cavalier" >>> (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new Renn Faire clothes in >>> real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have some real red silk for a drop >>> dead Byzantine and use up all those pearls that my bead freak Mother >>> keeps giving me, not that I'm complaining. There is the Celery and >>> Violet Bengaline that would make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in >>> Ribbons ala Bjarne. And let's not even look at the wools, I need a new >>> 1840's great coat in a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for >>> some thing Teddy might wear. AND AND AND >>> >>> HELP!!!! >>> >>> The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 14:57:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RIvYd0002068 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:57:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RIujV7041300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RIueE0066399; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RIuavp066260 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.e4.6dfad883 (15699) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r41 (mblk-r41.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.40]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5342e7d8ddf0; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.40) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:25 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13360 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.40 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I sew a lot with Bengaline and like it. No, it is not a natural fiber, but when you are in a pinch it not only suffices but excels if used in period appropriate styles. The fabric that I have used has a very slight ribbed texture, and is close to faille in appearance, maybe a smidge heaveir. The material holds up to rough wear at events and such, and dry cleans beautifully. I have never tried to machine wash it, but have been told that it holds up well in the wash also. You guys can just go ahead and laugh now.... My very first piece of real period style garb was an Elizabethan gown that I made with a pattern that I based on a Period Pattern pattern, their patterns of course not even remotely fitting me. I was very cash strapped, and had no idea of where I was going to come up with 10 yards or thereabouts of fabric. I sat in my parlor, and my eyes traveled to the draperies that had been left by the previous owner - yards and yards of a dusty rose bengaline with black tie backs and valances. The parlor looked much nicer with just the lace sheers, and I wound up with a lovely bodice, skirt and hat. The dining room drapes went next, also out of bengaline. I made a gown for myself, and an outfit for a daughter out of those drapes. I am not sure where the inspiration came from, Gone With the Wind or the Sound of Music, but either way, the bengaline worked great. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:44:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News In a message dated 7/27/2005 9:10:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: What is Bengaline, havent got a clue? Since no one has replied yet--it is one of the crosswise ribbed fabrics (originally made from silk, of course), similar to faille and grosgrain. There is an order of these fabrics from fine ribs to fatter ones, but I don't remember exactly how they fall. I think bengaline is one of the fatter ones. Also, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe some of these have "stuffers" to make the ribs fatter. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 15:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RJDdW0002225 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:13:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RJD1XG042940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RJCvAc078207; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RJCnKT078103 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05172 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:33:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:33:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) In-Reply-To: <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 chindora@aol.com wrote: > I sew a lot with Bengaline and like it. No, it is not a natural > fiber... Sometimes it is. I am wearing a dress of burgundy silk bengaline here: http://www.barony-of-arnhold.org/gothicdress1.htm More views on page 2. However, it turned out to be a spun silk rather than a reeled silk (though the appearance was quite smooth and lustrous, more than you'd expect from a spun silk). As a result it wore badly in areas that got a lot of rubbing, such as under the arms. I replaced it a few years ago with a red wool dress lined with linen. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 16:56:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RKuZEC003148 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:56:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RKtiTV053633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RKtMD7056920; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RKtGw2056787 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.147.187.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.147.187] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Dxsvh-0002ki-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: <42E7F474.6050203@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:54:12 -0700 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net><001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42E7C79D.9020604@earthlink.net> <000401c592d4$56170b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c592d4$56170b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0529-2, 07/21/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually Bjarne I sell Enchanted Frogs and Period Toys. Here is our web site I just got it up and running. http://home.earthlink.net/~ribbit-tat/Start_Page.html I wish you luck selling your embroiderys they are lovely and well worth the price. Now for those of you interested I placed the order with Fabric.com. I got for my prize: 5 Yards of Burn Orange Cotton Velvet Yard of Dark Olive Cotton Velvet Yard of Emerald Silk Dupion 3 Yards Sage Green Linen Yard of Silk Dupion in a Check of Pink, Mint Green, and Yellow The orange and the greens are going to be my new merchant costume for selling at faires. Haven't decided if I am going to trim the Orange in the silk or the velvet. Whichever doesn't become trim will be the hat. The Sage Green is for the doublet lining. And the Check is for a new 1840's vest for Sutter's Fort. That should turn a few heads. Stephen Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Steven, > What are you selling at these faires? Is it your embroidery? > I have had succes to sell 4 embroideries lately for ladies purses, and > it is only for people i know on some embroidery lists. I plan to make > many more and take with me when i go to the gustavians, hopefully i > will be able to sell some to the ladies there. > Embroidery is what i do best, and i have as a matter of fact ben > thinking about giving up the costumes, and only make embroidery. But > then again it is rather drastic to say that i wont make any more > costumes, deep inside of me, i know that i will be making more :-) > There is a shop here in Denmark where they sell beautifull taffetas, > and in colours that are to die for. But unfortunately they are very > expensive, it is a shop that sells silks for all the people who goes > to party's with our queen, and therefore their collektion is huge, and > prices high. > Is there a place where we can see your light blue cavalier style? I > would love to see it. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News > > >> Yes I know Bjarne. >> >> A polyester suit is a bad idea. Even if I was just going to wear it >> indoors. But those colors are just so wonderful. I am leaning more >> towards a new Elizabethain. In silk and cotton velvet, seeing I will >> be selling at a number of faires next year I should have something >> spiffy to wear. >> >> Stephen >> >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>> Hi Steven, >>> Now i found out what bengaline is, but seriously when you have won >>> such a price, it would be a shame to make a suit of polyester >>> Steven, even that the colours are lovely, but seriously......... >>> >>> Bjarne >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" >>> >>> To: "Historical Costume" ; >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:46 AM >>> Subject: [h-cost] Good News >>> >>> >>>> I have to brag! >>>> It seem that I won this weeks $100 Shopping Spree at Fabric.Com. >>>> Still in shock and now I have to figure out what to spend it on. >>>> I've got a dozen ideas all screaming at me. Do I remake, "The Baby >>>> Blue Cavalier" (Remember the first one Regina?) or make some new >>>> Renn Faire clothes in real silk and cotton velvet. Or they have >>>> some real red silk for a drop dead Byzantine and use up all those >>>> pearls that my bead freak Mother keeps giving me, not that I'm >>>> complaining. There is the Celery and Violet Bengaline that would >>>> make a great 1770's suit embrodierd in Ribbons ala Bjarne. And >>>> let's not even look at the wools, I need a new 1840's great coat in >>>> a LOUD plaid. They have orange and pink velvet for some thing >>>> Teddy might wear. AND AND AND >>>> >>>> HELP!!!! >>>> >>>> The shell shocked Stephen Bergdahl >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 17:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RL9gdL003298 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RL99Zv054996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RL968v067207; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RL8x1D067053 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.53.2c6c1207 (4262) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <53.2c6c1207.301951db@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 487 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do wish you well, _and_ plenty of rest!!! Remember to take care of Mom, Nancy :o ) Thank you for this information, but I hasten to add that I needed it for someone else, thank goodness. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 17:29:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RLTDF9003446 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RLSZW6056760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RLRAux080476; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6RLQU0h080042 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54401 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2005 21:26:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y+ZbyqnMDSNGISZzozSoCvBcpmqhg0u7xxFZMYN3kEcXarP/NRrZgLOfS9ZqrlodQDy23c8ug5YH86Y8adRuNRlN+S+EaqsFVJGkvKD/Aca9clXq9MOj9Sxuuo7YjhqXeQua0osAS/qsvFZnOcdaFxyvavxdaEPdG3JCsw9TT+w= ; Message-ID: <20050727212625.54399.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.225.179.26] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:26:25 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050727.082625.2892.1.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hooks and eyes also worked well on the openings for my undergowns with a sideless surcoat. Angharad --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > A friend of mine swore by sideless surcoats. She'd > slit the neckline of > the undertunic, making flaps which velcro'd closed. > When baby fussed, she > would open the flap, and discretely nurse under the > surcoat. > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 17:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RLXhxf003487 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:33:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RLXGVM057270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RLXFTD084909; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RLXBrs084861 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EAFB45EE010 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c592f2$d8c1d610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:33:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) >I sew a lot with Bengaline and like it. No, it is not a natural fiber, but >when you are in a pinch it not only suffices but excels if used in period >appropriate styles. The fabric that I have used has a very slight ribbed >texture, and is close to faille in appearance, maybe a smidge heaveir. The >material holds up to rough wear at events and such, and dry cleans >beautifully. I have never tried to machine wash it, but have been told >that it holds up well in the wash also. > > You guys can just go ahead and laugh now.... > > My very first piece of real period style garb was an Elizabethan gown that > I made with a pattern that I based on a Period Pattern pattern, their > patterns of course not even remotely fitting me. I was very cash > strapped, and had no idea of where I was going to come up with 10 yards or > thereabouts of fabric. I sat in my parlor, and my eyes traveled to the > draperies that had been left by the previous owner - yards and yards of a > dusty rose bengaline with black tie backs and valances. The parlor looked > much nicer with just the lace sheers, and I wound up with a lovely bodice, > skirt and hat. The dining room drapes went next, also out of bengaline. > I made a gown for myself, and an outfit for a daughter out of those > drapes. > > I am not sure where the inspiration came from, Gone With the Wind or the > Sound of Music, but either way, the bengaline worked great. > > :) > ~Kimberley Hi Kimberley, I am not laughing, and i must confes that also i have ben inspired by this Bengaline. Besides i also dream of making a costume in watered "silk" wich also only comes in polyester or rayon. And i was mostly thinking about hot weather and polyester, you can die of heat in that, but for winter use, it would be ok. And then i also sometimes think, that it is only us freaks that notice these things, i believe that the majority of reenactors dont know about these things At least when i talk about the gustavians in Sweden. I think that it only is about 1/5 th of them who makes costumes, the rest buys costumes and dont know about fabrics. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 17:54:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RLsIHf003651 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RLrrkl060615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RLrqBw000595; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RLrjnX000492 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19874 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:53:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Martha McCain Simplicity Pattern Thread-Index: AcWS8ievXqubIkTQSySqndmDAFo7jQAAiosg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6RLrjnX000492 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Martha McCain Simplicity Pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The new Simplicity patterns for Autumn 2005 are online and # 4400 is another Civil War era dress by Martha McCain. The pic is small but appears to have two sleeve variations and has a many button front long pointed bodice. As an aside, is Butterick patterns just behind everyone else(even Vogue whose Fall pattern catalog came out recently)or is going out of business. The latest book from them is still Summer whereas everyone else is at least early Fall/Autumn patterns. For Star Wars fans, there are two or three patterns that appear to be costumes from the first movie(Episode 4), but may have been in the latest film--I haven't seen that one yet. In November, those on the list who go to the Star Wars films to check out the costumes, may be interested in a pricey book "Costuming a Universe" with Natalie Portman on the cover in one of Queen Amidala's more extravagant costumes--guess Darth Vader or Han Solo doesn't consitute fantasy costume eye candy. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval garb for nursing mothers Hooks and eyes also worked well on the openings for my undergowns with a sideless surcoat. Angharad --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > A friend of mine swore by sideless surcoats. She'd slit the neckline > of the undertunic, making flaps which velcro'd closed. > When baby fussed, she > would open the flap, and discretely nurse under the surcoat. > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 18:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RMUmXA003998 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:30:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RMU8Gh064740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RMU2Z6027076; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RMTxRj027003 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E0451766 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727152627.03677e78@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Am I period or not In-Reply-To: <42E7B012.8050305@lavoltapress.com> References: <42E7B012.8050305@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:02 AM 7/27/2005, you wrote: >Really, the only valid critique of an outfit (or many other things) is >whether the creator met the goal they were trying to meet. And how can >anyone do that if they don't know the goal? > >Fran Thank you Fran for stating what should be the obvious, and reminding me of something I often forget in my recreation attempts. I really have to remember to set a specific goal for my garments from now on. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 18:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RMbmtK004070 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RMbKX7065546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RMbJCM031986; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RMbB6k031834 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1dc.4169965f (2519) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4169965f.3019668e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:37:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5009 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2005 2:33:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: And i was mostly thinking about hot weather and polyester, you can die of heat in that, but for winter use, it would be ok. Maybe I should have told you first that I live in Florida, and have worn those outfits down here in this heat and humidity for years. Oh, granted, real silk would have been much nicer, I am sure, but I was never miserable in my synthetic bengaline. And anyway, it does not matter WHAT you wear down here, you are going to be hot. I have found that as long as I can stay in the shade, and keep a breeze up my skirt by slowly walking, that I do fine. :) ~Kimberley (who drools helplessly over Bjarne's creations just like the rest of you guys.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 19:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RNJkcE004414 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RNJOqX070346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RNJMKo059702; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RNJIMs059670 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22A25DA36; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:19:21 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French hood gold X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I am working on a French hood c.1545, and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the gold "goffering" (is that the right term?) that is usually found on the hood? It's that gold ribbon or something that is in the front part of the crest, not the jewels which I understand are called billiments. I read one instruction set that calls for pleating organza by hand and pressing by iron, but that sounds tedious and not quite the right look. To my eye it looks more of a set pattern crinkle in an up and down pattern, not really pleated as in a knife pleat, if that makes sense. But I am kinda stumped as to how to go about doing this. I already have gold organza to pleat, so I am not looking to find ribbon already done up, unless I really have to. And fwiw, I am basing my French hood on Princess Elizabeth's portrait, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg with hopefully similar jewel billiment set from Mary Tudor Brandon's wedding portrait. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 19:52:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6RNpxSF004715 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6RNpIpp074536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:51:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RNpFqL076632; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6RNp9CN076541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED6F15018B for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08852-02-58 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F62D150157 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <042201c59305$c20a9480$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E7119A.4010302@earthlink.net><001701c592c2$793d7a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42E7C79D.9020604@earthlink.net><000401c592d4$56170b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42E7F474.6050203@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bergdahl" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Good News > > > Actually Bjarne I sell Enchanted Frogs and Period Toys. Here is our web > site I just got it up and running. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~ribbit-tat/Start_Page.html > > I wish you luck selling your embroiderys they are lovely and well worth > the price. Now for those of you interested I placed the order with > Fabric.com. I got for my prize: > > 5 Yards of Burn Orange Cotton Velvet > Yard of Dark Olive Cotton Velvet > Yard of Emerald Silk Dupion > 3 Yards Sage Green Linen > Yard of Silk Dupion in a Check of Pink, Mint Green, and Yellow > > The orange and the greens are going to be my new merchant costume for > selling at faires. Haven't decided if I am going to trim the Orange in > the silk or the velvet. Ooh, trim it in the silk. Velvet makes such lovely hats. But either way sounds scrumptious!! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 20:58:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S0w1Kv005224 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:58:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S0vF2P079672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S0vBmj008071; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S0v8HX007974 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from mycomputer (33.los-angeles-14rh16rt-15rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.54.33]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005072800565511100osjpie>; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:56:57 +0000 From: "Terri" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:56:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c5930f$40e6b0a0$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200507271602.j6RG2g0n028385@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: costume critique/discussion website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of mine is starting a costume related website and asked if I would post to the group. Terri Casey Hi all! Please forgive the bandwidth, but I need people to beta test this website and see if they find bugs. http://www.costumerating.com Thanks!!!! Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 21:04:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S14GKk005284 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:04:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S13lV1080278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S13k0Z011002; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S13hXE010942 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C171B3C559 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:03:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E82F1D.7000505@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:04:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi all, > > I read one instruction set that calls for pleating organza by hand and > pressing by iron, but that sounds tedious and not quite the right look. I used wired christmas ribbon on mine. It was very easy to pleat exactly the way I wanted it, and it stays in place. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 21:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S1GMQD005354 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S1Fv29081144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1Fubi016690; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1FmDi016630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-160.sonic.net [209.148.113.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1Fl9F028504 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: <42E831C9.4050306@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: costume critique/discussion website References: <000601c5930f$40e6b0a0$fd93fea9@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000601c5930f$40e6b0a0$fd93fea9@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the site owner should tell people only to post pictures of their own creations, and those which the creator has given them permission to post. Both for copyright reasons (note: the copyright to a photo belongs to the photographer, who may not be the costumer), and to help keep it from becoming a site for everybody trashing everyone they are jealous of or personally dislike. Yes, maybe the site owner can't keep everyone from illegally posting some photos, but they can at least say this is an issue. Also, as for the "Am I Period" site, asking people to post a few sentences about what they were trying to do with the costume, and about anything specific they want critiqued, might keep people from putting up others' pictures without permission. And it would help people give better critiques. Basically, it is a good idea to have the names of the people who posted the photos, the names of the costumes, and the names of everyone who gives critiques, publicly displayed. Sure people can create false IDs, but it's something of a deterrent. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Terri wrote: >A friend of mine is starting a costume related website and asked if I would >post to the group. > >Terri Casey > > > >Hi all! > > > >Please forgive the bandwidth, but I need people to beta test this website >and see if they find bugs. > > > >http://www.costumerating.com > > > >Thanks!!!! > >Lee > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 21:43:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S1h4ue005586 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:43:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S1gdS2083372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1gcu3029826; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1gXRv029709 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.da.29b9734c (4238) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Martha McCain Simplicity Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2005 5:54:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: is Butterick patterns just behind everyone else(even Vogue whose Fall pattern catalog came out recently)or is going out of business. The latest book from them is still Summer whereas everyone else is at least early Fall/Autumn patterns. Hadn't heard anything about their going out of business, but you know they were taken over by McCall's a few years ago. So maybe they just stagger their release dates. And yes, the new Simplicity Martha McCain pattern is very nice. There is also a visiting dress coming out--it is made up in bright purple for the envelope. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 21:47:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S1lJgW005603 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S1l10C083879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1l1Xw032141; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S1kwZM032112 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CC2B593 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727184511.0355bee0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:46:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Martha McCain Simplicity Pattern In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:42 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote: >And yes, the new Simplicity Martha McCain pattern is very nice. There is >also a visiting dress coming out--it is made up in bright purple for the >envelope. Is that #4510? Because if it is, that one came out a month or so ago as I bought it from Hancock's in June. Lovely dress, even if it is shiny purple (not my color). Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 27 22:04:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S24HCv005712 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S23OGV085040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S23Mwc040464; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6S23IY2040386 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:03:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10810 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2005 02:03:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pzmMHyff1ZzuPQxDnxvvoSOjjsT4xHbfSFuD+JaSdZ/kOfO5DH6ed7+d/OwF7dpJ1w4qnVGPNLXtiFqbGYnP1fr54eqBBuL3o/+H7DcyMi5JtpwW7KjnsuRWWx3ipUc2efJLW4FugO9iJNrjZmD0j0pf2r6zLnbfOnmE3v4kb2k= ; Message-ID: <20050728020312.10808.qmail@web32609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:12 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727184511.0355bee0@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Off to Turin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm off to Turin, Italy early Friday morning. I haven't yet read my guidebooks, I think I'll do that on the flight(s) over. Does anyone know of anything textile related that I shouldn't miss? I mean, of course, other than the famous Shroud, which if it is a fake, is still several hundred years old, and if it's not...it's even older. I'll be checking my email most days, so if there are any suggestions, even in the middle of the time I'm there (one week) I should get them. Thank you very much! Pam Dotson --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 00:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S4W4fE006923 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S4V5QT096431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S4Up6V006860; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S4Umev006829 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6S4Udck017310 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:30:39 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.189] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.189]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S4UbJX035240 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:30:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050727205823.03603970@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:59:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Find somebody with a pleating machine like they use pleating up fabric for smocking, and do your pleating on that. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 01:59:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S5xYUe007427 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S5wg3K002334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S5wcCk041108; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S5wYD1041085 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2525A3C2F2 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:58:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DDFC9D439 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:58:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42E7F474.6050203@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] note on ribbit-tat site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Went to the site. You have some spelling errors. Thought you might want to know. "All of our Frogs and other items are ..... so that each on(e) ..... can be loved by either Adults or Children." "We stock the finest col(l)ection of Fairy Bottles to be found and our..." Nice site. :) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 03:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S7M702001907 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:22:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S7LTaF006634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S7LPCu074180; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S7LK5v074128 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728072114.ZYAP9771.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:21:14 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.23]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728072114.ZIJR1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:21:14 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.6]); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:21:26 +1200 Message-ID: <004601c59344$f6f619f0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:21:25 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I read one instruction set that calls for pleating organza by hand and > pressing by iron, but that sounds tedious and not quite the right look. To > my eye it looks more of a set pattern crinkle in an up and down pattern, > not really pleated as in a knife pleat, if that makes sense. But I am kinda > stumped as to how to go about doing this. I already have gold organza to > pleat, so I am not looking to find ribbon already done up, unless I really > have to. Hi Kimiko, I'm pretty sure it's simply accordian pleated, so it might be easiest to fold the fabric up like one would for paper. Does anyone remember making paper fans as children? Sort of like the parchemtn fan of some queen/empress or other that is still in a museum somewhere. You fold the paper back, edges parallel, then turn it over and fold to the same line. Repeat to the end. For the fan you'd fold the folded paper int he middle and tape the touching edges of course;) If the fabric is a sheer gold, then in period it would have been made with a good deal of real metal. I have some metal organza that forms very sharp creases and folds and would not require much ironing to create accordian pleats at all. So I can imagine with more metal this becomes easier. My crinkle metal organza has more metal and holds those crinkles like crazy! So it may come down to choosing a nice sheer fabric with a real metal componant and making tiny folds, using the fingernail to crease. Or there may be some something akin to pletaing tape made for very fine accordian pleats. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com > And fwiw, I am basing my French hood on Princess Elizabeth's portrait, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg > with hopefully similar jewel billiment set from Mary Tudor Brandon's > wedding portrait. > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 03:58:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6S7wqaL005884 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:58:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6S7vwIs009295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S7vlwn089639; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S7vbbx089383 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:57:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EBCF5EE07B for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:57:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:57:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, I have seen some danish peassants hats/hoods that has such a finely pleated band made of lace. They also show how this was pleated that way. They used small sticks. Place one stick under and one over - one under and one over etc. While the lace is wet and starched. When dry, it is finely pleated like this. How about using matches for this purpose? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] French hood gold > Hi all, > > I am working on a French hood c.1545, and I was wondering if anyone had > any suggestions for the gold "goffering" (is that the right term?) that is > usually found on the hood? It's that gold ribbon or something that is in > the front part of the crest, not the jewels which I understand are called > billiments. > > I read one instruction set that calls for pleating organza by hand and > pressing by iron, but that sounds tedious and not quite the right look. To > my eye it looks more of a set pattern crinkle in an up and down pattern, > not really pleated as in a knife pleat, if that makes sense. But I am > kinda stumped as to how to go about doing this. I already have gold > organza to pleat, so I am not looking to find ribbon already done up, > unless I really have to. > > And fwiw, I am basing my French hood on Princess Elizabeth's portrait, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg > with hopefully similar jewel billiment set from Mary Tudor Brandon's > wedding portrait. > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 06:22:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SAMsH0009088 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SALK46022057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SALIgW044931; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S0stfg007017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-160.sonic.net [209.148.113.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6S0ssBN023511 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:54:55 -0700 Message-ID: <42E82CE4.9080100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:55:00 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Am I period or not References: <42E7B012.8050305@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050727152627.03677e78@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727152627.03677e78@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Everyone has goals for pretty much everything whether they are consciously aware of them or not. As for the obvious, this is something people are always forgetting in criticism. For example, that a historical film is intended to be entertainment, not an educational event--how many times have you seen people slam a film because "the costumes aren't accurate"? Personally, I think that's the best way to tell whether a review of any product is by an amateur or a professional. The professional reviews something on whether it meets the creator's stated goals, the amateur just reacts to whether they personally liked it. As for this site, having people state a goal might be a barrier to putting up other people's pictures without their permission just for the fun of seeing other people's work trashed. If they're required to frame a statement about "what I intended when I made this costume," many may balk at claiming it's actually their work when it is not. Fran Lavolta Press Kimiko Small wrote: > > Thank you Fran for stating what should be the obvious, and reminding > me of something I often forget in my recreation attempts. I really > have to remember to set a specific goal for my garments from now on. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 07:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SBPjrO009503 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SBP6SK036205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBP0rm071176; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBOt6J071057 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:24:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728112449.SEQK7577.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:24:49 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728112449.YKG1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:24:49 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.6]); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:25:01 +1200 Message-ID: <006001c59366$fe485e30$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:25:00 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I sew a lot with Bengaline and like it. No, it is not a natural fiber, but when you are in a pinch it not only suffices but excels if used in period appropriate styles. The fabric that I have used has a very slight ribbed texture, and is close to faille in appearance, maybe a smidge heaveir. The material holds up to rough wear at events and such, and dry cleans beautifully. I have never tried to machine wash it, but have been told that it holds up well in the wash also. Bengaline refers to the weave not the fibre, and in fact refers to Bengal. In the 19thC was used in many garments. http://www.bharattextile.com/dictionary/118 First made in Bengal, India. Ribs raised and rounded. Often has wool or cotton dilling [sic]* in the ribs which doesn't show. Difficult to make bound buttonholes in it. Has a tendancy to slip at the seams if too tightly fitted. Grosgrain and Petersham is bengaline cut to ribbon widths. http://www.retrodress.com/suit74.html Silk bengaline suit, has a closeup near a button to show the weave. I just recently did a search for it as I suspected it was used for one of the Star Wars prequel costumes. I'm still pretty sure it was bengaline or other crosswise ribbed silk fabric. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com * I thought this might have been a fabric term I hadn't heard of before, beacuse it shows up in so many online textile sites... nope, just seems to be that they all copied from the same source;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 07:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SBZPC2009580 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SBYvjK036764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBYuuo075602; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBYqvc075567 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F2D0262808 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c59368$62c3d410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E54EED.1050702@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle pictures Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:34:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, Congratulations with your bustle dress, even it is not finished yeat. What a lovely dress, and love the embroidered corset. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bustle pictures > Mmmm... I feel a bit like a Nanny or a school teacher... > It looks a stif. > Probably just a bit to simple for my taste. > > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > There is still a lot of work to do on the bodice to get it right. > Have to take out the sleeves again since they are stil not looking right. > And it looks like I have huge shoulder muscles :-) . > > I am planning on making a nice little straw hat to make the look complete. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 07:36:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SBaJxA009589 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SBZrHf036850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBZrRA076171; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBZlL1076051 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1d5.40dde5c0 (17377) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.40dde5c0.301a1d0b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:35:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well now, I am thrilled to have been set straight. Back in the dark ages, after I made my first gown, I went to a high end fabric store here in town and asked if they had any silk bengaline, because I had heard that it was also available in "real" silk. When I got to the store and asked the clerk if they had any bengaline, she snipped at me that they did not carry any lower end synthetic fabrics. She curled her lip and suggested that I try someplace like JoAnn's, the condecension thick in her voice, so I never looked into the matter further. Thanks to everyone for the info. I will post some links to me in a couple of my bengaline gowns when I get a chance. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 07:42:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SBgAqq009635 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SBfnUx037313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBfmo9078792; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBfjPD078770 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 077AB47FE3B for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:41:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c59369$5d21ea00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1d5.40dde5c0.301a1d0b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:41:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimberley, I know these kind of people in silk fabric shops. When i went to the special silk fabric shop we have here in Denmark, i was aware that the prices was huge. But i had saved a lot of money from a trip to Portugal, and had a lot left when i got home. I aimed to use these money in this shop. They had never seen me before so i also got a strange look when i arrived. But you should have seen their eyes when i ordered 7 meters of the sky blue duchesse satin i made the suit for. Bad thing is that i never will forget those lovely other fabrics they had, and i am afraid that i have to go back for more some day................ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) > Well now, I am thrilled to have been set straight. Back in the dark ages, > after I made my first gown, I went to a high end fabric store here in town > and > asked if they had any silk bengaline, because I had heard that it was also > available in "real" silk. When I got to the store and asked the clerk if > they had > any bengaline, she snipped at me that they did not carry any lower end > synthetic fabrics. She curled her lip and suggested that I try someplace > like > JoAnn's, the condecension thick in her voice, so I never looked into the > matter > further. Thanks to everyone for the info. I will post some links to me > in a > couple of my bengaline gowns when I get a chance. > > :) > ~Kimberley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 07:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SBoJ1Y009709 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:50:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SBnqe7037736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBnpZ5082045; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SBnknA082008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6SBjcWH009608 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:45:38 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E8C658.9020708@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:49:44 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (with Star Wars digression) References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> <006001c59366$fe485e30$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <006001c59366$fe485e30$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > I just recently did a search for it as I suspected it was used for one of > the Star Wars prequel costumes. I'm still pretty sure it was bengaline or > other crosswise ribbed silk fabric. You know about this site, right? http://www.padawansguide.com/ Lots of screen shots, details, & info about making the costumes. Chindora@aol.com wrote: > any bengaline, she snipped at me that they did not carry any lower end > synthetic fabrics. She curled her lip Goes to show that everyone doesn't know everything. I've had the hardest time getting the idea across to my mother that "percale" doesn't mean just cotton, it's a weave. And I'm sure there are new sewers out there who think that "linen" is only a weave/coarseness style, because that's what's on the bolts. ... although my most memorable high-end fabric store interaction was eavesdropping on someone describe how accomplished she was with medieval costuming to a clerk, and she needed a particular sort of frilly lace fabric for one of these projects. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent It stressed the "negative effects" of long hair on "human intelligence development", noting that long hair "consumes a great deal of nutrition" and could thus rob the brain of energy. -- BBC about a public-education campagin in N. Korea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 08:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SC2q3r009832 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SC2SNf039970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SC2Q8Q088382; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SC2Mbm088290 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728120216.BVXW1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:02:16 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728120216.CDJN1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:02:16 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.6]); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:02:15 +1200 Message-ID: <007e01c5936c$320ea9e0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1d5.40dde5c0.301a1d0b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:02:15 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Well now, I am thrilled to have been set straight. Back in the dark ages, > after I made my first gown, I went to a high end fabric store here in town and > asked if they had any silk bengaline, because I had heard that it was also > available in "real" silk. When I got to the store and asked the clerk if they had > any bengaline, she snipped at me that they did not carry any lower end > synthetic fabrics. She curled her lip and suggested that I try someplace like > JoAnn's, the condecension thick in her voice, so I never looked into the matter > further. Thanks to everyone for the info. I will post some links to me in a > couple of my bengaline gowns when I get a chance. Cool:) I've had some very bad advice from behind the counter people as well. Like how I should bleach my ilk chiffon to remove the dye but couldn't iron it. Good thing I did know silk was destroyed by bleach really;) I didn't iron it, but that was because the super crinkle was ideal for the purpose I bought it for:) It's pretty annoying when the people selling the goods often don't know what you are after. Ooh, wouldn't it be nice if she decided to relate the tale to someone else who set her straight;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 08:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SC4X8C009846 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:04:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SC4AA6040235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SC4AYx089101; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SC452E089034 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728120400.HDNZ9771.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:04:00 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728120359.YNCG5260.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:59 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.6]); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:59 +1200 Message-ID: <008401c5936c$6fcb6980$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com><006001c59366$fe485e30$0301010a@michaela> <42E8C658.9020708@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (with Star Wars digression) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:59 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I just recently did a search for it as I suspected it was used for one of > > the Star Wars prequel costumes. I'm still pretty sure it was bengaline or > > other crosswise ribbed silk fabric. > > You know about this site, right? http://www.padawansguide.com/ Lots of > screen shots, details, & info about making the costumes. Oh yes, I know Maggie quite well:) There is no description of the fabric of that particular gown on her site though:) I love the costume myself, but am not looking to recreate it. I'm still hunting around looking for other crosswise ribbed silks that it could be. I don't know if the core of the ribbing is cotton/wool or silk. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 08:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SCpQYM010183 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SCoaxU045182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SCoXcj008565; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SCoRT5008485 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.80.2c8fa663 (3850) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:50:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2005 5:33:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: And i was mostly thinking about hot weather and polyester, you can die of heat in that, but for winter use, it would be ok. If we can stand one more "thread" on fibers/fabrics--not all manmade/synthetic fabrics are the same, either. Those curtains might very well have been rayon, or a rayon/acetate blend. I've seen home decorating ribbed fabrics made of these fibers. And rayon, of course, being cellulose, like cotton, won't make you swelter. If fact, it absorbs moisture even better than cotton, hence the fact that it also wrinkles like crazy. Acetate, though, being chemically modified cellulose, is not as comfy in hot humid weather. Many synthetic satins and taffetas are also made out of acetate, although polyester seems to be gaining ground. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 09:39:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SDdH48010483 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:39:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SDcicH048421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SDcg6s032890; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SDcbT1032773 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B98BBEB08 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:38:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:38:32 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1870 hat stuf X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I made my own hat! I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a hat to go with my bustle gown. But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. Schould I put more stuf on it? Like ribbons or flowers? The dress is very simple... Would this hairstyle be ok for that time period? I need to keep it out of the way of my bowstring. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 09:58:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SDwLTb010616 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:58:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SDvJl0049891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SDvHq4042506; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SDvEh5042464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dy8sl-0006Af-3E; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:57:07 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20050728085707.gj0tnho0tqdnkkgw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:57:07 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) References: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > If we can stand one more "thread" on fibers/fabrics--not all > manmade/synthetic fabrics are the same, either. Those curtains might > very well have been > rayon, or a rayon/acetate blend. I've seen home decorating ribbed > fabrics made > of these fibers. And rayon, of course, being cellulose, like cotton, won't > make you swelter. If fact, it absorbs moisture even better than > cotton, hence > the fact that it also wrinkles like crazy. Acetate, though, being > chemically > modified cellulose, Thanks for the "One More Thread." I didn't know that about acetate! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 10:19:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SEJbMT010745 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SEIJMc051516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEIHq9054442; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEIFZB054382 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so417168nzp for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NszG6jVqaiSaxOheqlhq32MaBHhQJJjeXtJAXFT1jLv8MpRD+5MyvH+9zYVZf1hfv2xLeVr3q+7Rc27hUL5tdbPAli/hviqdKaPOenT/yqE3SsdDR402dYO2VbkhhIpg96mQx6lIEpP5BLjNsaZ3xrGL9UW8Y91wE4yTmWv/qt0= Received: by 10.36.252.51 with SMTP id z51mr1202080nzh; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:17:43 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Am I period or not In-Reply-To: <42E82CE4.9080100@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E7B012.8050305@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050727152627.03677e78@64.87.54.245> <42E82CE4.9080100@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SEIFZB054382 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > As for this site, having people state a goal might be a barrier to > putting up other people's pictures without their permission just for the > fun of seeing other people's work trashed. If they're required to frame > a statement about "what I intended when I made this costume," many may > balk at claiming it's actually their work when it is not. After seeing what happened at the old AIPON, I think that this is a fine and lovely thing :) -Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 10:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SEcV1H010931 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SEc32P053430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEbxli067767; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEbrl4067679 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.167] (pm5-167.eos.net [205.133.149.167]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6SEbnpk027788 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:37:50 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:29:15 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507281149.j6SBnsen082081@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bengaline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I, too, know how haughty clerks can be at high-end fabric stores. I used to visit one located near my office (it has since moved, so I haven't been there in years). I couldn't afford the printed cottons! The clerks were the most disdainful men and women I've ever met. But I did get to see some pearled white satin that cost $400 a yard. Is faille the same thing as bengaline? Because I distinctly remember this store selling faille. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 10:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SEdbEk010940 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SEdCSW053530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEdCUi068593; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SEd5px068457 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728143859.FPIA1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:38:59 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050728143859.YWSW5260.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:38:59 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.6]); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:38:58 +1200 Message-ID: <00a001c59382$16ba8040$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> <20050728085707.gj0tnho0tqdnkkgw@www.goldsword.com> Subject: acetateRe: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:38:58 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > the fact that it also wrinkles like crazy. Acetate, though, being > > chemically > > modified cellulose, > > Thanks for the "One More Thread." I didn't know that about acetate! Yeah I recently read about this as I was doing a search on the history of man made fibres. I was trying to find the earliest one in production. I knew elasic is older than we generally thinkabout, but wasn't sure when man made fibres appeared. http://www.fibersource.com/f-tutor/cellulose.htm http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Fiber/acetate_definition.htm Probably more than you want to know;) michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 11:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SFDrb9011511 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SFDICx057620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SFDCAR093521; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SFD5Uv093434 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07182 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:13:05 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dressing a Galaxy Star Wars Costume book Thread-Index: AcWTanpZuTF6YFF8TImvQiAi7cN7hgAG59Ag From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SFD5Uv093434 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dressing a Galaxy Star Wars Costume book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I preordered from Amazon.com Dressing a Galaxy: the costumes of Star Wars. Their price is $31.50 and since the book is still over $25.00, I chose Free Super Saver Shipping. For the serious(and moneyed)Star Wars and/or costuming fan, there is a special edition of the book with a DVD on the costumes and their creation for $295.00. With the three last films(haven't seen the last one yet)it is simply fun to pick out all the historical and cultural references within especially Amidala's costumes. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 11:46:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SFkSAq011889 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SFjmsb061053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SFjkEY018167; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SFjhIn018117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DyAZe-0000QB-AO; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:45:30 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:45:30 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: acetateRe: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) References: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> <20050728085707.gj0tnho0tqdnkkgw@www.goldsword.com> <00a001c59382$16ba8040$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00a001c59382$16ba8040$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> > the fact that it also wrinkles like crazy. Acetate, though, being >> > chemically >> > modified cellulose, >> >> Thanks for the "One More Thread." I didn't know that about acetate! > > Yeah I recently read about this as I was doing a search on the history of > man made fibres. I was trying to find the earliest one in production. I knew > elasic is older than we generally thinkabout, but wasn't sure when man made > fibres appeared. > > http://www.fibersource.com/f-tutor/cellulose.htm > http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Fiber/acetate_definition.htm > Probably more than you want to know;) > Oh, I don't know that I'd say that. While all I wanted to be able to do was to be able to identify my Trillium photos, I'm finishing up a PhD. Obsessive about knowledge? Who me? Nah -- these are not the droids that you're looking for. Jerusha, the "old lady" grad student ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 12:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SG1uV1012059 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:01:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SG1HQ3062714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SG1EXO029860; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SG1AaN029810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DyAoi-0002C2-Dq; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:04 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20050728110104.pvviyr6765ookc0g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:01:04 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com References: <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> <20050728085707.gj0tnho0tqdnkkgw@www.goldsword.com> <00a001c59382$16ba8040$0301010a@michaela> <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there an online TOC to this journal (with page numbers)? My library doesn't have it (yet?), but I can ILL things ..... [The anglo-saxon book they have, but it's out on loan to a Faculty member for a *year*] Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 12:40:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SGe4af012424 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SGdL9p067506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGdH09059662; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGdBNZ059474 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1fb.d7b09cd (3996) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1fb.d7b09cd.301a6424@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:39:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (was Good News) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2005 9:58:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Acetate, though, being > chemically > modified cellulose, Yeah, if you REALLY want to know, it is acetylated cellulose. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 12:47:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SGlQAl012498 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SGksVI068472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGkoLN065930; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGkkhd065800 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so571634nzd for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:46:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pj3+cwbQhyKxJtTwz9Sv/N2TKzkAabFRZ2VeaeiMLyc5z1df9NXEGQL2wZ0k1PQpfRxs7bqx6Doar006fJ2HlYEcA/2fO65DCppIpK7jf2rkIhtoDxI0cNs9fv3TZngqzHLNgwojQqvdtIPvokpnP3iyFd5YV9w7uQ2Zubw1e7I= Received: by 10.37.20.59 with SMTP id x59mr1943702nzi; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:46:14 -0400 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re:[h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SGkkhd065800 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Holiday in Rome & Venice >...and then on to Venice for me, where I have long wanted to visit the Murano Glass makers, and a "working" boatyard building Gondolas, and the historic Arsenale - or at least the parts open to the Public, - which was the world's first "production-line shipyard". Cant help you with Rome. I'm still on the way home from Venice (and other parts of Italy). Galleria della Accadmia... wowie zowie. Get there 1st thing in the AM or stand in line. Only ~300 permitted in museum at one time. Photos WITHOUT flash are ok. Take a tripod. You'll love the Carpaccios. Dinner: go out the door of the Accademia, turn left & left. Straight down that walkway, is a Trattoria. Pretty tasty and a whole lot better & authentic that the touristy places 'round San Marco. When dining, avoid Ristorante in favor of Osteria & Trattoria if you want to try local specialities. I love Italy. Every trip is 1/2lb gained per day. Dee-lish! Churches -- Have Madame take a thin silk scarf to cover shoulders. You'll impress the staff, then they let you take more pics. Speaking of fabric: Ca' Mocenigo is quite small, but they do have 3 Burano lace 16th c collars, some 15th & 16th fabrics and eccleastical things. Not much really. I enjoyed it, but the PItti Palace collection in Florence is much better. Photos "senza flash" OK. Ask. Have tripod handy it's quite dim. A polarizing filter will reduce much of the glare off the cases. Wish I'd had one. The Centro Studio... Tessuti (fabric study center) is Italian only, by appointment. I failed to have a specific question handy and dont speak Italian. Palazzo Ducale -- Take the passagio segreto (secret passages) tour. Must book a week ahead. We failed to book early enough. In Florence, the passagio segreto tour in the Palazzo Vecchio was our favorite part of that city. Murano Glass -- I did it last week with a professional guest glass artist. We were hugely disappointed by everything by the glass museum. Truthfully, the Met here in NYC has more & better 15th & 16th murano glass. (Really & truly. I just saw it yesterday.) Frankly, it's not worth the ride out on the boat. Speaking of boats, dont get taken in by the taxi-boat drivers who love to tell tourists that there's a vaporetto strike. It'll cost you 80euro for the ride in. Study up on local transport. Venice Card, Alilaguna & Vaporetto are words to google. Buon Viaggio! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 12:56:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SGuKs9012599 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SGtgGE069387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGtdWb072997; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SGtXZN072916 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kat@redtrollforge.com) Received: from katscomputer (ip146.130.du.eli.iinet.com [67.136.130.146]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED6A74963 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@redtrollforge.com To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:55:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles Message-ID: <42E8AB98.32398.1F4AB881@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20050728110104.pvviyr6765ookc0g@www.goldsword.com> References: <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Is there an online TOC to this journal (with page numbers)? My > library doesn't have it (yet?), but I can ILL things ..... [The > anglo-saxon book they have, but it's out on loan to a Faculty member > for a *year*] If an ISBN number will help: 1843831236 Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 13:05:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SH5DHG012701 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:05:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SH4lg1070318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SH4jIg079918; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SH4fZl079813 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1f9.ea6d021 (17526) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9.ea6d021.301a6a22@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:04:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing a Galaxy Star Wars Costume book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2005 11:14:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Dressing a Galaxy: the costumes of Star Wars. Their price is $31.50 and since the book is still over $25.00, I chose Free Super Saver Shipping. Gee, thanks. Just what I needed, another book I HAVE to have! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 13:18:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SHIeHf012853 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SHIEr8071707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHHaEP090385; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHHDi6090022 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14192 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:38:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:37:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: <20050728110104.pvviyr6765ookc0g@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 14:13:50 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Is there an online TOC to this journal (with page numbers)? My > library doesn't have it (yet?), but I can ILL things ..... [The > anglo-saxon book they have, but it's out on loan to a Faculty member > for a *year*] Here's the publisher's page with the TOC. If you need page numbers for a specific article, write me directly. http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Amazon also is selling it for $32.97, which is better than the discount I can offer. But I would expect that individuals typically would buy it only if several of the individual essays are on topics of personal interest, or if they're buying for a group library. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 13:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SHgUfv013053 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:42:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SHfjBL074109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHff9e008864; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHfa1V008773 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14391 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:02:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:02:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bengaline In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Is faille the same thing as bengaline? Because I distinctly remember > this store selling faille. They're on the same spectrum of ribbed fabrics. I'm not sure what the "official" difference is, but from what I've seen, there's probably more than one definition -- meaning one person's "faille" is another's "bengaline." And ditto for "shantung." Best to just ask for "a finely ribbed fabric" if you don't really care what the label is and you're looking for the type/texture. In my case, I bought my bengaline (faille? shantung?) off the discount silk table at Vogue in Chicago in, hmm, 1988 or so, and I was just looking for silk, not that particular weave necessarily. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 13:54:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SHsFdN013170 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SHrj2O075398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHrg0u018036; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:53:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHrYXn017913 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F54BBC17 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728104827.035dacf8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:49:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bengaline (with Star Wars digression) In-Reply-To: <008401c5936c$6fcb6980$0301010a@michaela> References: <7a.782af968.301905c4@aol.com> <8C760F405ADF2CF-17C-5253@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> <006001c59366$fe485e30$0301010a@michaela> <42E8C658.9020708@thibault.org> <008401c5936c$6fcb6980$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:03 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >I'm still hunting around looking for other crosswise ribbed silks that it >could be. I don't know if the core of the ribbing is cotton/wool or silk. Silk Shantung has fine crosswise ribs. Not sure what the core is either. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 14:04:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SI4Icl013281 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SI3mXr076599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SI3kB1025876; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SI3gwq025822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6SI3f7k007930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050728140206.018f5050@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: <20050728110104.pvviyr6765ookc0g@www.goldsword.com> References: <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> <80.2c8fa663.301a2e81@aol.com> <20050728085707.gj0tnho0tqdnkkgw@www.goldsword.com> <00a001c59382$16ba8040$0301010a@michaela> <20050728104530.lkq8aqpk0m3kks0o@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Book Recall, if your library offers it, is a wonderful thing. My university has 2 copies of Flury Lemburg... and there are 3 reseaerchers here on campus (that includes me) that are perpetually playing "hand it over" with one another. Mari :> >Is there an online TOC to this journal (with page numbers)? My library >doesn't >have it (yet?), but I can ILL things ..... [The anglo-saxon book they have, >but it's out on loan to a Faculty member for a *year*] > >Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 14:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SIAtxF013394 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SIAMRr077241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SIABS8030681; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SI9va5030459 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BB3515EE071 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:09:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005001c5939f$961aa960$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bengaline Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:10:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, As i have told you before i was so lucky to get some real silk ribbed fabrics in London some years ago. It is still not finished, but it is the suit i embroider with silk ribbon. I baught every yard they had. I dont know why, but originally they were 140 cm wide, but they had cut them in half, so that it only was 70 cm. wide. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm Schroll down to the bottom, and there are some closeups of the weave. Dont know if this could be Bengaline? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bengaline > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > >> Is faille the same thing as bengaline? Because I distinctly remember >> this store selling faille. > > They're on the same spectrum of ribbed fabrics. I'm not sure what the > "official" difference is, but from what I've seen, there's probably more > than one definition -- meaning one person's "faille" is another's > "bengaline." And ditto for "shantung." > > Best to just ask for "a finely ribbed fabric" if you don't really care > what the label is and you're looking for the type/texture. > > In my case, I bought my bengaline (faille? shantung?) off the discount > silk table at Vogue in Chicago in, hmm, 1988 or so, and I was just > looking for silk, not that particular weave necessarily. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 17:05:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SL588i015740 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SL4G8E097639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SL469J074652; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6SL3wVo074544 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 21512 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2005 21:03:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:23 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1050.67.188.164.116.1122584637.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> References: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi - > > There's an event coming up in early September for which I'd like to make > my first regency gown, c1815. I'm interested in authenticity (will > gladly sacrifice modern notions of what is flattering to acheive it). > I'll be drafting everything myself. > > Does anyone have advice on the following: > > 1) As a matron of, ahem, mature years, I'm planning on making a corset. > Though it dates to a bit later, I thought I might go with the more > substantial corset as seen in the Kyoto Museum > http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1819stay.jpg) instead of the Corset á > Ninon (http://www.regencygarderobe.com/First%20Decade%20corsetry.htm). > Any comments on that one? Hope, I made a corset of the same style you are talking about at Costume College last year. (For those who don't know, Costume College is a weekend full of classes and events for costumers--it is held each summer in Los Angeles) I took an all day class from a lady and finished about 75% of it. It needed a little adjusting, but it came out pretty good. One word of advice, though....make the corset ALL white or ivory. Do NOT add colored accents of any kind. I put lavender bias tape around the edges and it can be seen through my gauzy white dress. Obviously I have to change it but haven't gotten the motivation yet ;~> The corset is very comfortable, just like it is supposed to be. It isn't supposed to squoosh you into an unnatural form. It is supposed to lift and separate "the girls" and just sort of smooth everything else out. My busk is too long which makes sitting a little difficult, so try to avoid making the busk go below your hip line. > This would probably mean making the gown white cotton. Would that be OK > for a ball gown, especially for someone my age? Ball gowns usually weren't white and were probably made out of more expensive fabrics. If you are trying to portray a lady of wealth and society, you may want to try to make two different gowns. They really don't take long and it will probably be easier to make another dress than to make a spencer anyway. > 4) Since the local Joann's is woefully limited when it comes to fine > cottons, I was going to order some from online (Farmhouse Fabrics? any > otheres?). Which is lighter: lawn or batiste? Recommendations either way? I think lawn is lighter than batiste. I sell it on my website for $5.60/yd and it is very soft. It is also very see-through. So maybe lawn or shirting on the outside and muslin for the lining? > (For a future day gown I was wondering if this would be appropriate: > http://webstore.quiltropolis.net/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?Shopper_id=94847281015469484&Store_id=198&page_id=23&Item_ID=8294) You betcha! I made my recent Regency out of something very similar. I can send you a picture if you like. Mine was a nylon material but it certainly gives the right look. It is very sheer so I used a shirting material (that has small stripes woven into it) as the lining fabric. It came out very nice. And I strategically placed the embroidered flowers on the bodice and sleeves to give it a great look. Well, I didn't answer all of your questions but I hope that I helped somewhat ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 17:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SLSNtt015947 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SLN3rm099902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SKQt2P047144; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SKQYra046853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6SKQQ4x003842 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:26:35 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1st Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi - There's an event coming up in early September for which I'd like to make my first regency gown, c1815. I'm interested in authenticity (will gladly sacrifice modern notions of what is flattering to acheive it). I'll be drafting everything myself. Does anyone have advice on the following: 1) As a matron of, ahem, mature years, I'm planning on making a corset. Though it dates to a bit later, I thought I might go with the more substantial corset as seen in the Kyoto Museum http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1819stay.jpg) instead of the Corset á Ninon (http://www.regencygarderobe.com/First%20Decade%20corsetry.htm). Any comments on that one? 2) Under the corset will go the linen shift, of course, but over that I'll need a petticoat. I'm a bit confused by some of the websites I've been visiting: were period petticoats shaped like the gowns that went over them, that is, with a small sleeveless bodice, like a slip? Would you recommend linen or cotton? 3) The event has some day events and a ball in the evening. Since there isn't much time, though, I was hoping I could "cheat" by making a gown that could be used for the ball, but making a spencer or pelisse to cover it up, and wearing a chemisette to disguise it further. (I'll swap a bonnet for a turban, too.) The two examples I'm leaning towards are: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/02-1810walkingspencer.jpg or http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/01-acandace-1815-2-yes.jpg This would probably mean making the gown white cotton. Would that be OK for a ball gown, especially for someone my age? 4) Since the local Joann's is woefully limited when it comes to fine cottons, I was going to order some from online (Farmhouse Fabrics? any otheres?). Which is lighter: lawn or batiste? Recommendations either way? (For a future day gown I was wondering if this would be appropriate: http://webstore.quiltropolis.net/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?Shopper_id=94847281015469484&Store_id=198&page_id=23&Item_ID=8294) 5) Since this event is in the context of the 1815 Battle of Plattsburgh, New York (http://www.battleofplattsburgh.com/main.html) I was wondering if I should be focusing on styles from a few years earlier. How up to date do you think a well-to-do lady from New York, Philadelphia, or Boston would be? So many questions! But this group is always so helpful!! Thanks. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 17:29:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SLTgIX015963 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:29:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SLTGam000678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SLTDG3093499; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SLSkq4093114 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79353C558 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:28:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42E94E04.8070206@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:28:36 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency References: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope Greenberg wrote: > > 5) How up to > date do you think a well-to-do lady from New York, Philadelphia, or > Boston would be? > Quite up to date under those circumstances. Philadelphia was THE modern city of the time, and residents of the eastern seaboard prided themselves on being just as civilized and advanced as any european city, if not more so, given the 'Great Experiment' of democratic government going on in America. European fashion publications could be had in those cities with a month or two of release. Trade and travel across the Atlantic was thriving. Factory production of textiles in America had just begun in 1814, so you're still importing 99% of your fabric from Europe, but it's cheap. After the 2nd War of Independence ended (1812) all kinds of goods got dumped cheap, because they'd been hoarded during the conflict. So yeah, no excuse for a lady to not have the latest and best fashions. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:29:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNTTOh017051 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNN58d011025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SMcTDF041295; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SMbHds040509 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.27.77070bfd (57317) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <27.77070bfd.301ab811@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:37:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2005 4:29:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Since this event is in the context of the 1815 Battle of Plattsburgh, New York (http://www.battleofplattsburgh.com/main.html) I was wondering if I should be focusing on styles from a few years earlier. How up to date do you think a well-to-do lady from New York, Philadelphia, or Boston would be? I agree that big city American women were very up to date--and probably not so big city women tried to be, too. We have had some debates on the subject, but I think American women, at least here in the Mid-Atlantic, looked more to France than England, too. Friends could send fashion plates in letters. In the very early 19th c., a man in New York subscribed to one of the magazines and charged women a small fee to come in and see the fashion plates. Many extant garments in collections show evidence of being re-modeled, often likely to keep up with changing fashions. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:29:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNTTJj017052 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNN58Z011025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNKZLI067116; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNKQOh066964 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id TAA24006; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200507282319.TAA24006@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: , Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200507281705.j6SH4met079958@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SNKQOh066964 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] No Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested too...but for Renaissance. We see beautifully decorated hats at Ren Faires, but I don't think I've ever seen big decorated straw hats in pictures - just plain ones. Julie > > I made my own hat! > I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a > hat to go with my bustle gown. > But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. > Schould I put more stuf on it? > Like ribbons or flowers? > The dress is very simple... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:29:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNTTfa017053 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNN58b011025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNKWnt067074; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNJbEo066460 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id TAA24006; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200507282319.TAA24006@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: , Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200507281705.j6SH4met079958@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SNJbEo066460 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] No Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested too...but for Renaissance. We see beautifully decorated hats at Ren Faires, but I don't think I've ever seen big decorated straw hats in pictures - just plain ones. Julie > > I made my own hat! > I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a > hat to go with my bustle gown. > But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. > Schould I put more stuf on it? > Like ribbons or flowers? > The dress is very simple... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:35:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNZXep017111 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNZ3r8012281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNYgIf075194; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SIVabb046656 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.147.4a45ca89 (15876) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0442e92478b5; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:31:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:31:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8C761B9AF08CDE5-264-2D34@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> From: albertcat@aol.com References: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> Received: from 24.148.174.154 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:31:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13360 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870 hat stuf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.46 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very nice project. I wonder why you didn't include the fullness and depth of the drape in the fashion plate though. But as you say, the gown is simple and if that's what you're going for....go for it! It's lov-er-ly. The hat is perfect too. Isn't it sorta funny how in this period you see bias pleated ruffles and the draped overskirts cut on the straight all the time? Even when the fabric is a solid color. If the ruffle were on the straight it would pleat better [the gowns I've seen will line the bias ruffle to stiffen it, thus rendering the bias cut useless....unless of course it has a pattern that you want on the bias like the check in your dress. But like I said they do this even with solids] And the draped overskirt would drape more gracefully if on the bias rather than the straight. Curiouser and curiouser...... -----Original Message----- From: Deredere Galbraith To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:38:32 +0200 Subject: [h-cost] 1870 hat stuf Hi, I made my own hat! I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a hat to go with my bustle gown. But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. Schould I put more stuf on it? Like ribbons or flowers? The dress is very simple... Would this hairstyle be ok for that time period? I need to keep it out of the way of my bowstring. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:37:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNbk42017123 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNbKN5012525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNbHd3076714; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SKnf0g064216 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.8d.2bea0c09 (4426) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.2bea0c09.301a9edd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:49:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2005 4:29:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Under the corset will go the linen shift, of course, but over that I'll need a petticoat. I'm a bit confused by some of the websites I've been visiting: were period petticoats shaped like the gowns that went over them, that is, with a small sleeveless bodice, like a slip? Would you recommend linen or cotton? 3) The event has some day events and a ball in the evening. Since there isn't much time, though, I was hoping I could "cheat" by making a gown that could be used for the ball, but making a spencer or pelisse to cover it up, and wearing a chemisette to disguise it further. (I'll swap a bonnet for a turban, too.) The two examples I'm leaning towards are: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/02-1810walkingspencer.jpg or http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/01-acandace-1815-2-yes.jpg This would probably mean making the gown white cotton. Would that be OK for a ball gown, especially for someone my age? The petticoat is a separate undergarment. However, some of the more sheer dresses have what is described as a "slip," but we would call an underdress, either in a vivid color or a peach/pink, to look skin-toned. What of the questions I don't know the answer to is, would one have also worn a petticoat under such a slip? You can also make detachable long sleeves, as well as a chemisette, for the "day" look, and then remove them for evening. A spencer would also be a good coverup for daytime, and, by all means, swap headgear. It can be of a dark colored silk or wool in colder weather. White does seem to have been worn by all ages. I have used white Swiss cotton batiste (hideously expensive!), and have also had good luck with Indian cotton curtains with a heavier woven pattern--the Restoration Hardware ones w ere great; the Target ones, while cheaper, I'm not as happy with. But I wear one of these dresses, with long sleeves, and a colored fichu, colored gloves a and coordinating bonnet for day. For evening, I wear a turban, leave off the fichu, wear my good cameo jewelry, white kid gloves, and a fan. I contend that mixing and matching for day into evening looks was probably rather common in the early 19th century, even among the fairly well-to-do. Most people just did not have a lot of clothes. I have fun switching spencers, shawls, bonnets, turbans, reticules, gloves, chemisettes, shoes, and boots to change the look of my basic dresses. Look at the Old Sturbridge Village website, _www.osv.org_ (http://www.osv.org) , cat. #26.33.166, for an early 19th century dress with its own matching tucker (or chemisette) and detachable sleeves. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 19:40:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6SNeQuQ017139 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6SNdZVw012727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SNdRFS077961; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SLw25T014476 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29461 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:58:01 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1st Regency Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1st Regency Thread-Index: AcWTuzqVm1qbdTHyQTSNSRnbRj1MZwAAXDkA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6SLw25T014476 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Depends on your sense and comfort with what would be fashionable to a "matron of mature years" Are you, or your character, a person of means to keep up with fashion, with at least a maid to help you dressa la Dolly Madison, or are you someone more comfortable with the fashions of your youth and have no maid and too much to do to fuss much with fashionable attire? Or do you adopt "present-day" fashions to suit what looks best or is easy to do for you? Jane Austen adopted headgear as early as her 30's as it saved her much time in hairdressing and had to be coaxed into having her hair done by a male hairdresser. Although she got many compliaments, she wrote she "longed for my snug cap" Dolly Madison, preferred fashionable bright colors and the latest in turbans, in counterpoint to the clothing of her Quaker youth. Older women might wear more fashionable clothing, but cling to the support of the stays(corsets)that they had worn since girlhood. Also many women of all ages, wore the "Empire/Regency" fashionable mode, whether it was flattering or not, as with any fashion. And of course a mature figure then, could wear the high-waisted fashions and be thought a fine figure of a female, whereas now, only anorexia-like figures are thought attractive in the stereotypical "Regency" gown. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hope Greenberg Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:27 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1st Regency Hi - There's an event coming up in early September for which I'd like to make my first regency gown, c1815. I'm interested in authenticity (will gladly sacrifice modern notions of what is flattering to acheive it). I'll be drafting everything myself. Does anyone have advice on the following: 1) As a matron of, ahem, mature years, I'm planning on making a corset. Though it dates to a bit later, I thought I might go with the more substantial corset as seen in the Kyoto Museum http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1819stay.jpg) instead of the Corset á Ninon (http://www.regencygarderobe.com/First%20Decade%20corsetry.htm). Any comments on that one? 2) Under the corset will go the linen shift, of course, but over that I'll need a petticoat. I'm a bit confused by some of the websites I've been visiting: were period petticoats shaped like the gowns that went over them, that is, with a small sleeveless bodice, like a slip? Would you recommend linen or cotton? 3) The event has some day events and a ball in the evening. Since there isn't much time, though, I was hoping I could "cheat" by making a gown that could be used for the ball, but making a spencer or pelisse to cover it up, and wearing a chemisette to disguise it further. (I'll swap a bonnet for a turban, too.) The two examples I'm leaning towards are: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/02-1810walkingspencer.jpg or http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/01-acandace-1815-2-yes.jpg This would probably mean making the gown white cotton. Would that be OK for a ball gown, especially for someone my age? 4) Since the local Joann's is woefully limited when it comes to fine cottons, I was going to order some from online (Farmhouse Fabrics? any otheres?). Which is lighter: lawn or batiste? Recommendations either way? (For a future day gown I was wondering if this would be appropriate: http://webstore.quiltropolis.net/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?Shopper_id=94847281015469484&Store_id=198&page_id=23&Item_ID=8294) 5) Since this event is in the context of the 1815 Battle of Plattsburgh, New York (http://www.battleofplattsburgh.com/main.html) I was wondering if I should be focusing on styles from a few years earlier. How up to date do you think a well-to-do lady from New York, Philadelphia, or Boston would be? So many questions! But this group is always so helpful!! Thanks. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 21:12:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T1CkZH017726 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:12:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T1BsD2017515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T1Aq4x002778; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T19uPh002082 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050729005334.WXNO1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:34 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.23]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050729005333.KHXQ1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:33 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.7]); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:32 +1200 Message-ID: <004801c593d7$f13b3c50$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bengaline Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:29 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Is faille the same thing as bengaline? Because I distinctly remember this > store selling faille. I'm pretty sure it's not. I seem to recall a discussion about the differences between ribbed silks a while back..... not sure where though. I have polyester faille, and the warp threads are the same fibre as the weft just heavier, you can also see the weft. In bengaline the filling is completely disguised, so I'm pretty sure the weaving has to be different. http://www.apparelsearch.com/ faille a somewhat shiny/lustrous closely woven silk, rayon, or cotton fabric characterized by slight ribs in the weft. Finer than gros grain but in that family - ribs are also flatter than in grosgrain. Some belongs to the crepe family. It is rather difficult to launder. Will give good wear if handled properly bengaline a fabric with a crosswise rib made from textile fibers (as rayon, nylon, cotton, or wool) often in combination. Crosswise rib, warp faced. First made of silk in Bengal, India. Ribs are round and raised. Often has wool or cotton dilling in the ribs which doesn't show. Difficult to make bound buttonholes in it. Has a tendency to slip at the seams if too tightly fitted. Grosgrain and Petersham is bengaline cut to ribbon widths. The cloth is usually 40" wide. Cotele - A French term for bengaline made from a silk or rayon warp and worsted filling which is given a hard twist So it seems that bengaline usually uses a filler in the weft and has a warp face, thus concealing the filling. ottoman heavy in weight - larger rib than both faille and bengaline. Very pronounced flat ribs in the filling direction. Ribs are made by a cotton, worsted, silk, or rayon filling which does not show on either the face or the back, because the warp covers the filling entirely. Is called Ottoman Cord or Ottoman rib when a warp rib is employed. Fabric is stiff and connot be gathered or shirred. Like other ribbed fabrics, it has a tendency to slip at the seams and crack, so it cannot be fitted too tightly. This seemed to give the best descriptions of fabrics. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 22:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T2LXoN018232 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T2KvKG023862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2KsZb041465; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2Km1T041409 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A95168E4 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:34:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:57 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >Hi Kimiko, >I have seen some danish peassants hats/hoods that has such a finely >pleated band made of lace. >They also show how this was pleated that way. They used small sticks. >Place one stick under and one over - one under and one over etc. While the >lace is wet and starched. When dry, it is finely pleated like this. >How about using matches for this purpose? > >Bjarne That's an interesting low-tech way to pleat things. Thanks for sharing that. I will see if I can find appropriate matches (I don't think matchbook types would work.) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 22:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T2LXuQ018233 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T2KvMg023861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2Kr4C041459; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2KlMX041401 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E542816779 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183147.035851c8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:32:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050727205823.03603970@mail.frys.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <4.3.1.2.20050727205823.03603970@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:59 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote: >Find somebody with a pleating machine like they use pleating up fabric for >smocking, and do your pleating on that. I only know of one person locally that has a pleater, and she's on vacation till September. :-( Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 22:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T2LXG5018231 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T2Kt5Z023855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2KoEX041435; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2KlUM041397 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9371688D for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728182749.03585310@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:31:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <004601c59344$f6f619f0$0301010a@michaela> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <004601c59344$f6f619f0$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:21 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >So it may come down to choosing a nice sheer fabric with a real metal >componant and making tiny folds, using the fingernail to crease. > >Or there may be some something akin to pletaing tape made for very fine >accordian pleats. > >michaela de bruce Hi Michaela, The gold organza I have has metal in it, but the fabric is not holding the creases without some heat. I've been informed there is a doll makers tiny pleating board available that would do the trick. I've also found hair irons - micro crimpers that also might do the trick. There is one with variable heat settings. I just can't find either locally, but have internet sites found if I have to order them. I just wish most sites would have better images so I can see what size the crimps are at. Thanks for your suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 22:43:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T2haHb018409 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T2hGgQ025475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2hEUh051949; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2hBfM051877 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050729024304.KMLC22277.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:43:04 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.180.23]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050729024304.NRKY1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:43:04 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.7]); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:43:04 +1200 Message-ID: <006d01c593e7$3e433ed0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870 hat stuf Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:43:02 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > I made my own hat! > I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a > hat to go with my bustle gown. I'm in the middle of remaking a large straw hat into something more suitable for the 16thC. The crown is too tall and too square as it is, but I have only got to the unravelling stage;) > But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. > Schould I put more stuf on it? > Like ribbons or flowers? > The dress is very simple... If you look at the bottom of this page http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/timelinepages/1870s1.htm and the top of this page http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/timelinepages/1880s1.htm you should see some nice examples of hats and bonnets of the time period you are doing. There is generally a bit more fluffiness.. and if I could just find the links page for the victorian links which seems to have completely fallen offline.... Anyway, Tara had a page on hats and bonnets from exactly the time you are doing, but I cannot find it as the links page has gone down and there are no links to it elsewhere. > Would this hairstyle be ok for that time period? > I need to keep it out of the way of my bowstring. It's actually rather a later hairstyle than you are after. The good news is that the hair could be tidied away to keep safe from your bowstring. http://demode.tweedlebop.com/hair_natural.html There are some very pretty styles there that would work well with the style of hat and dress you have made:) And some that are similar to what you have done, but in an earlier style. regards, micahela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 23:00:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T3029c018530 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T2xBqF027361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2x9a2059504; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T2x6F3059446 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:59:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp200.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.200]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6T2vXcY018100 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:57:51 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20050728225557.00a6af00@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:04:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency In-Reply-To: <42E93F7B.2030901@uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6T2x6F3059446 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I searched the New York Public Library Digital Collection using "dress" and 1815" and got about 9 of 12 period fashion plates. (The other three were later.) If this helps! http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital You could argue that if these prints made it to New York, they would also make it to whereever. For example, I've been meaning to sort through my heaps of papers to determine which British fashion journal was the source for an account of the latest fashions in a 1814 Montreal newspaper. Depending on what kind of person you were and your personal interests, I believe fashions could be transmitted quite quickly. Sheridan Alder At 04:26 PM 7/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi - > >There's an event coming up in early September for which I'd like to make >my first regency gown, c1815. I'm interested in authenticity (will gladly >sacrifice modern notions of what is flattering to acheive it). I'll be >drafting everything myself. > >Does anyone have advice on the following: > >1) As a matron of, ahem, mature years, I'm planning on making a corset. >Though it dates to a bit later, I thought I might go with the more >substantial corset as seen in the Kyoto Museum >http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1819stay.jpg) instead of the Corset á >Ninon (http://www.regencygarderobe.com/First%20Decade%20corsetry.htm). Any >comments on that one? > >2) Under the corset will go the linen shift, of course, but over that I'll >need a petticoat. I'm a bit confused by some of the websites I've been >visiting: were period petticoats shaped like the gowns that went over >them, that is, with a small sleeveless bodice, like a slip? Would you >recommend linen or cotton? > >3) The event has some day events and a ball in the evening. Since there >isn't much time, though, I was hoping I could "cheat" by making a gown >that could be used for the ball, but making a spencer or pelisse to cover >it up, and wearing a chemisette to disguise it further. (I'll swap a >bonnet for a turban, too.) The two examples I'm leaning towards are: >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/02-1810walkingspencer.jpg >or >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/01-acandace-1815-2-yes.jpg > >This would probably mean making the gown white cotton. Would that be OK >for a ball gown, especially for someone my age? > >4) Since the local Joann's is woefully limited when it comes to fine >cottons, I was going to order some from online (Farmhouse Fabrics? any >otheres?). Which is lighter: lawn or batiste? Recommendations either way? > >(For a future day gown I was wondering if this would be appropriate: >http://webstore.quiltropolis.net/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?Shopper_id=94847281015469484&Store_id=198&page_id=23&Item_ID=8294) > >5) Since this event is in the context of the 1815 Battle of Plattsburgh, >New York (http://www.battleofplattsburgh.com/main.html) I was wondering if >I should be focusing on styles from a few years earlier. How up to date do >you think a well-to-do lady from New York, Philadelphia, or Boston would be? > >So many questions! But this group is always so helpful!! > >Thanks. > >- Hope > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 28 23:43:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T3hbBh018815 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T3ggrV032844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T3geHY078856; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T3ga2J078797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T575eb013127 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:07:10 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870 hat stuf Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:42:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <42E8DFD8.2020704@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507282342.26259.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 28 July 2005 9:38 am, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I made my own hat! > I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a > hat to go with my bustle gown. It looks great! Nice job! > But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. > Schould I put more stuf on it? > Like ribbons or flowers? [snip] You certainly could...but I've seen very plain period bonnets and hats also. I think you should leave this one as it is. > > Would this hairstyle be ok for that time period? > I need to keep it out of the way of my bowstring. > > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html My recollection of 1870s hair styles is that they were generally pulled back, away from the face (except for perhaps a fringe of curls along the forehead) and cascaded down the back of the head in curls, many of which were hairpieces. I think your style is generally fine, though I would pull the hair back a bit more tightly from my face for less of a poofy, pompadoured "Gibson Girl" effect. Tuese illustrations from the 1875 issue of Peterson's magazine may give you a better idea of what I'm trying to say (illustrations courtesy of the Victorian section of Jennifer Thompson's "Featured Attyre" site): http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/victorian/p75/feb1.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/victorian/p75/oct4.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/victorian/p75/nov1.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/victorian/p75/jun2.html Looking at these, I see that you might also want to give your hair an overall permanent for more waves and body, to better simulate the period look. Have fun experimenting! -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 00:17:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T4HmVa019106 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T4H98i035042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4H6g2093082; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4H2DJ093025 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.87.2c8ed0dc (4238) for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <87.2c8ed0dc.301b07b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:16:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Byzantine women's clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I apologize if someone else has already posted this -- I'm a little behind on my e-mails -- but I liked the Levantia website: _www.levantia.com/au_ (http://www.levantia.com/au) . I think they're a little bit earlier than 14th Century, but it's somewhere to start. I acquired a bunch of references for Byzantium recently by pestering this list, but as I was researching an earlier period, most of them probably won't apply. I'll look through my list of references again and see if I have anything you'd want. Tea Rose From: Lynda Boots Subject: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing Hi, I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in 14th C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for a coronation would be appreciated. Thanks. Lynda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 00:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T4NwTx019150 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:23:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T4NVXw035366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4NUwx095774; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4NRh7095742 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.33] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DyMP8-0007Li-1n for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245><000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:23:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b69674a56d95de4da3e6d387a28690764350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.33 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote: >>They also show how this was pleated that way. They used small sticks. >>Place one stick under and one over - one under and one over etc. While the >>lace is wet and starched. When dry, it is finely pleated like this. >>How about using matches for this purpose? Kimiko replied: > That's an interesting low-tech way to pleat things. Thanks for sharing > that. I will see if I can find appropriate matches (I don't think > matchbook types would work.) Wooden toothpicks would work as well as matchsticks, and are available in every supermarket. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 00:39:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T4dIZX019314 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T4cmk5036361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4cjBD002194; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52807.mail.yahoo.com (web52807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6T4cXQ2002056 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46018 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 04:38:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A7PbMLi2dh7Nmk8zRZOKA0w+AJOL+CNIZVbpUjhh59mTOUA7tEPD6AX8I3kvXaJTyE8OB5dVCCB3srN8bBS36xuEzPJjnJk5aTJ19s3AbnPdkt/Q/fiPn0JIzcMqJZMGkzl/CuaipCa06wpPnjz+mHQUX8/18Ub+EHQpolyToeo= ; Message-ID: <20050729043828.46016.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:38:28 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183147.035851c8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would one of those "perfect pleaters" work, the kind Clothilde sells, or are the pleats not small enough? That might be a pretty fast and easy way to do it, I would think... KP Kimiko Small wrote: At 08:59 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote: >Find somebody with a pleating machine like they use pleating up fabric for >smocking, and do your pleating on that. I only know of one person locally that has a pleater, and she's on vacation till September. :-( Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 00:39:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T4dI8X019315 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T4cnV0036365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4clmk002206; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T4cXmY002046 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.209 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:38:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.209] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:38:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:38:26 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2005 04:38:27.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D288930:01C593F7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6T4dI8X019315 Status: RO But I would expect that individuals typically would buy it only if several of the individual essays are on topics of personal interest, or if they're buying for a group library. I was talking to Boydell & Brewer today (placing last minute Pennsic order) and they said it's selling quite well. My response was that I hoped that meant that I hoped on the next one they would increase your budget for photos and color plates. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 01:43:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T5hKlU019737 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:43:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T5gQqg040966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T5gN7W028953; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T5gIKL028877 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20744 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:03:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I was talking to Boydell & Brewer today (placing last minute Pennsic > order) and they said it's selling quite well. My response was that I > hoped that meant that I hoped on the next one they would increase your > budget for photos and color plates. You and me both! Gale and I don't have much say in the matter of photos. Color images will require a separate grant (something we're targeting for a special issue a few years down the line). As for b/w images, we have a limit on the number of halftones per volume. (In fact, for a couple of the images in my own article, I had actually gotten permission from the holding library to use photos and had purchased the transparencies, but we were over our volume allotment, so I had to do redrawings instead anyway.) We do try to make sure there are footnotes pointing people to better views of images where possible (in other books or online). What surprised me most on Vol. 1 was that the designer made some of the images so small, particularly as we had specified that some of them needed to be larger to show necessary detail. I have had a specific request approved for some larger images in Volume 2 (which is already in the publisher's hands -- we're assembling Vol. 3 now). So, with luck we will get a bit more bang per halftone buck. Cross your fingers. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 02:30:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T6UpwX028159 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:30:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T6UHKU044878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T6UEcD052097; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T6UAqO052055 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D41D5E524 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:29:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:23 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >Wooden toothpicks would work as well as matchsticks, and are available in >every supermarket. > -Helen/Aidan The only toothpicks I seem to find are the round ones with plasticy things on the ends. I will have to see if I can find more square ones. Thanks for the suggestion. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 02:31:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T6V47H028234 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T6UHC6044879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T6UEfM052105; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T6UA6J052049 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85255E51F for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232038.035552d0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:28:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <20050729043828.46016.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183147.035851c8@64.87.54.245> <20050729043828.46016.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:38 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >Would one of those "perfect pleaters" work, the kind Clothilde sells, or >are the pleats not small enough? That might be a pretty fast and easy way >to do it, I would think... > >KP Hi KP, Thanks for the suggestion. Our fiber guild has one of those, and I looked at it to see, and 1, it is too large a pleat, and 2, it does knife pleats, not crimped pleats, which is what I am looking to do. Really fine crimped pleats. Someone on a different list suggested a doll pleater tool, called a Pretty Pleater. It comes in 3 sizes and it just may do the trick. http://danneruff.com/pleater.htm pic of the 3 pleaters here: http://danneruff.com/pleat.htm They suggest using a fusible backing to hold the pleats in place. Also on that other list was a suggestion for a hair crimper, and I found a micro crimper that has different levels of heat control, and it seems to be really small, but I haven't found one locally yet to really tell. Online photos are small. Then there's the wooden stick method that has an appeal as well, and a few other suggestions. I may be testing a few ideas to see what works well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 04:34:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6T8Y4WJ025405 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6T8XMLY051688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T8XGHa000283; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6T8XBwI000217 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6T8X5H28267.; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:33:05 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:52 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] No Subject Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6T8Y4WJ025405 Status: RO I think the fashion for piling stuff on your hat came later than the Renaissance. For straw hats, just a simple hatband would be appropriate. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> jtknits@jtknits.cts.com 29/07/2005 00:19 >>> I'm interested too...but for Renaissance. We see beautifully decorated hats at Ren Faires, but I don't think I've ever seen big decorated straw hats in pictures - just plain ones. Julie > > I made my own hat! > I took an old hat made out of straw bands and took it appart to make a > hat to go with my bustle gown. > But I was wondering if the purple ribbon would be to colour coordinated. > Schould I put more stuf on it? > Like ribbons or flowers? > The dress is very simple... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 08:35:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TCZwOm023392 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TCZIxB077931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TCZDJZ094954; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TCZA6m094924 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.147.115] (dialup-4.249.147.115.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.147.115]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TCZ1sf010284 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: <42EA2291.8050602@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:35:29 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > That's an interesting low-tech way to pleat things. Thanks for sharing > that. I will see if I can find appropriate matches (I don't think > matchbook types would work.) > Matches might be too small. When I made my Danish day dress (which has a tulle cap with a ruffle pleated this way), I made a long frame sorta like a picture frame and cut a bunch of 1/4" wood dowels. I wanted to use straws, but they weren't sturdy enough. then with the tulle wet I anchored one end to the frame and wound it over a stick on top of the frame, then under a stick beneath the frame, then over a stick on top of the frame... until the length of the ruffle was all wound in and then I let it dry. After it's dry and you take it off the dowels, you can gather it in a little tighter (assuming you ran a gather thread before you started pleating) to fit along the edge you need. Apparently this was the method used at least in the 1860s for ruffling. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 08:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TCtuac023582 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:55:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TCtOOH081461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TCtNo2003396; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6TCtJHI003320 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77187 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 12:55:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lom/ynWB/PCPhsMMecIsfugqGhOZ2QgsNFFsG2UwVIaBBHnusz4UaqfPyuwfdp8wVKpqmsCcFjZPSBl+xKHIDHurX2axcYBAT8jVlPDje+blB0KZaM6dYni6jmNyp6+1MbOygQXjze2buxzl7xqO9b06aonNJoTHa/+hzFv5yNw= ; Message-ID: <20050729125513.77185.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:55:13 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42EA2291.8050602@oldwaylane.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a great idea!!! Thank you so much for sharing Judy. Chris G. Judy Mitchell wrote: Kimiko Small wrote: > That's an interesting low-tech way to pleat things. Thanks for sharing > that. I will see if I can find appropriate matches (I don't think > matchbook types would work.) > Matches might be too small. When I made my Danish day dress (which has a tulle cap with a ruffle pleated this way), I made a long frame sorta like a picture frame and cut a bunch of 1/4" wood dowels. I wanted to use straws, but they weren't sturdy enough. then with the tulle wet I anchored one end to the frame and wound it over a stick on top of the frame, then under a stick beneath the frame, then over a stick on top of the frame... until the length of the ruffle was all wound in and then I let it dry. After it's dry and you take it off the dowels, you can gather it in a little tighter (assuming you ran a gather thread before you started pleating) to fit along the edge you need. Apparently this was the method used at least in the 1860s for ruffling. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:02:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TG2VxB025982 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:02:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TG1DhS099785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TG15fV015971; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TG10EB015835 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc75.asp.att.net[204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050729160051013004fsg4e>; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:00:51 +0000 Received: from [12.37.197.50] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:00:50 +0000 From: eirenetz@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Byzantine women's clothing Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:00:50 +0000 Message-Id: <072920051600.17467.42EA52B20003313A0000443B2206424613969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWlyZW5ldHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, Levanita is good, but earlier than the 14th century. I'm on the road this week, but I'll take a look at my resources and see what I can find early next week. -- Eirene Tzimiskina Kontostephanina > I apologize if someone else has already posted this -- I'm a little behind > on my e-mails -- but I liked the Levantia website: _www.levantia.com/au_ > (http://www.levantia.com/au) . I think they're a little bit earlier than 14th > Century, but it's somewhere to start. I acquired a bunch of references for > Byzantium recently by pestering this list, but as I was researching an earlier > period, most of them probably won't apply. I'll look through my list of > references > again and see if I have anything you'd want. > > Tea Rose > > From: Lynda Boots > Subject: [h-cost] Byzantium women's clothing > > Hi, > > I'm helping a friend research women's apparel in 14th > C. Byzantium. Anything not ecclesiastical or for a > coronation would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Lynda > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:04:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TG4ZH9026017 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:04:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TG43DU000210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TG41WJ018215; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6TFKTDX085514 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 85693 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 15:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 15:20:24 -0000 Message-ID: <42EA4936.102@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:20:22 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > At 09:23 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote: > >> Wooden toothpicks would work as well as matchsticks, and are available >> in every supermarket. >> -Helen/Aidan > > > > The only toothpicks I seem to find are the round ones with plasticy > things on the ends. I will have to see if I can find more square ones. > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Kimiko or you might try wooden skewers (like for kebabs). They are longer than matchsticks or toothpicks and might be easier to hang on to. I think the ones I have in a drawer are actually bamboo and were sold in the chinese section of some grocery store. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:05:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TG5tIE026029 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:05:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TG5QHe000399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TG5NLi019322; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6TFlFXL005621 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 74137 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2005 15:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2005 15:47:09 -0000 Message-ID: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:47:10 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bodice fit question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am making a late 15th century Italian dress, of the fitted bodice, gathered or pleated skirt, and contrasting sleeves variety (like the ones described on this website and seen in this painting). http://www.geocities.com/kamillavh/01.html http://tinyurl.com/aoyzd (birth of St. John the Baptist by Domenico Ghirlandaio (particularly the woman reaching out for the baby or the servant in the red dress and green sleeves)). I have made several fitted bodices over the years of this type and always have the same problem. Unless I use a shaped center back seam, the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting technique I am missing? This time, I added a c/b seam to my original draft. I took 2 inches total from the neckline, tapering to nothing at the level of the bottom of the armscye, and then an inch from the waist, again tapering to nothing at the armscye. This bodice ends just above my natural waist and has a center front opening. It has slanted side back seams. It is very similar to the bodice draft seen on Drea's site: http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/kirtlepat.jpg Thanks liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TGLsCA026229 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TGLG7t001846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGLEXC030711; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGLA04030603 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.29 ([204.127.135.29]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2005072916210211300pb8rge>; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:21:02 +0000 Received: from [72.255.31.174] by 204.127.135.29; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:21:01 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:21:01 +0000 Message-Id: <072920051621.9063.42EA576C000F3A0D00002367216037596402019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Liz, I have a sway back as well. I think the answer is using side front seams. All of my garb has the back on the straight, both with and without CB seams, and I don't have that problem at all. You can use the side front seams to shape the bodice to you and eliminate the gapping. Hope that helps. Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net -------------- Original message from Elizabeth Young : -------------- > I am making a late 15th century Italian dress, of the fitted bodice, > gathered or pleated skirt, and contrasting sleeves variety (like the > ones described on this website and seen in this painting). > http://www.geocities.com/kamillavh/01.html > http://tinyurl.com/aoyzd (birth of St. John the Baptist by Domenico > Ghirlandaio (particularly the woman reaching out for the baby or the > servant in the red dress and green sleeves)). > > I have made several fitted bodices over the years of this type and > always have the same problem. Unless I use a shaped center back seam, > the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center > back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. > If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. > But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting > technique I am missing? > > This time, I added a c/b seam to my original draft. I took 2 inches > total from the neckline, tapering to nothing at the level of the bottom > of the armscye, and then an inch from the waist, again tapering to > nothing at the armscye. > This bodice ends just above my natural waist and has a center front > opening. It has slanted side back seams. It is very similar to the > bodice draft seen on Drea's site: > http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/kirtlepat.jpg > > Thanks > liz young > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:22:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TGMEtS026243 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:22:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TGLr3P001913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGLq0W031161; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGLmTL031075 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921BF3C557 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:21:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42EA57A7.5060403@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:21:59 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > > I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. > If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. > But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting > technique I am missing? You could try taking darts along the top of the neckline in order to produce a curve that fits you, like wise along the waist. Personally, I think using the CB seam is going to be the best way to get you a good looking fit, even if the style doesn't normally have one, because of your unique fitting issues. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TGdaH1026725 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TGdAVo003512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:39:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGd3ao043117; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6TGcnip042949 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 29960 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2005 16:38:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:38:43 PDT X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Doyle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <072920051600.17467.42EA52B20003313A0000443B2206424613969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bran X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I have a question that is only sort of costume related, but more of a language question. Background I'm making a series of dolls as close to 16th century art/artifacts and records as I can. My base sources include the basic doll history books that I am not sure if the authors are British or American, and therefore I ask this question. Is bran a generic term used to refer grain of various types or is it a specific grain type? The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting together in the next two weeks. and to add costume content, I making making several historical outfits for these dolls, from an 1503 Spanish gown, 1530's German, 1550 English and 1570's Italian for just a few of them. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 12:42:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TGgI25026764 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:42:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TGfsMc003847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGfr9x045331; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TGfnMp045279 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6803C5E7 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:41:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7BFAC482 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:41:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bodice fit question Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:41:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you tried asking on one of these three sites? sca_italiano@yahoogroups.com SCAItaliano@yahoogroups.com Italian_Renaissance_Costuming@yahoogroups.com There are 4 locations wear the bodice can be seam. Back, side back, front and side. You probably have seen this but just in case not, http://members.fortunecity.com/cadieuxx/florentine.html she has a contact link. Hope this helps, De -----Original Message----- I am making a late 15th century Italian dress, of the fitted bodice, gathered or pleated skirt, and contrasting sleeves variety (like the ones described on this website and seen in this painting). http://www.geocities.com/kamillavh/01.html http://tinyurl.com/aoyzd (birth of St. John the Baptist by Domenico Ghirlandaio (particularly the woman reaching out for the baby or the servant in the red dress and green sleeves)). I have made several fitted bodices over the years of this type and always have the same problem. Unless I use a shaped center back seam, the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting technique I am missing? This time, I added a c/b seam to my original draft. I took 2 inches total from the neckline, tapering to nothing at the level of the bottom of the armscye, and then an inch from the waist, again tapering to nothing at the armscye. This bodice ends just above my natural waist and has a center front opening. It has slanted side back seams. It is very similar to the bodice draft seen on Drea's site: http://costume.dm.net/kirtlepat/kirtlepat.jpg Thanks liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 13:19:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6THJF3j027278 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:19:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6THIa6x007260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:18:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6THIWB1071899; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6THISVa071785 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail34.nyc.untd.com (webmail34.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.174]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBQW3FSA5K4S3A for (sender ); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:17:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wxXsodr2RAM9GifR1KsQpce2nrh6CPIsQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail34.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KY4GMGZE; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:17:19 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail34.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:16:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:16:17 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050729.101719.29542.184317@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 8:4:912501825 X-MAIL-INFO: 33a431353194d46d94d440d1d44029c09000708959490075e47d59517538b1b0752d24f9a479a465f44099d4a4d1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.174|webmail34.nyc.untd.com|webmail34.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Technically speaking, the bran would have been a waste product left over from processing grain. It would be what was left after cleaning and winnowing. It wouldn't have been the whole grain (wheat, barley, whatever). I suppose you could pop out to the store and buy a box of bran (not bran cereal, just the bran) but it would be easier (and less expensive) to go to your local Lowes, Home Depot, etc and just ask them if you can have the leavings of their wood sawing area. They might look at you a little funny, but I'm sure they'd be happy to get rid of it. Just a thought, Karen Seamstrix -- Alex Doyle wrote: Hi all, I have a question that is only sort of costume related, but more of a language question. Background I'm making a series of dolls as close to 16th century art/artifacts and records as I can. My base sources include the basic doll history books that I am not sure if the authors are British or American, and therefore I ask this question. Is bran a generic term used to refer grain of various types or is it a specific grain type? The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting together in the next two weeks. and to add costume content, I making making several historical outfits for these dolls, from an 1503 Spanish gown, 1530's German, 1550 English and 1570's Italian for just a few of them. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 13:44:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6THiunL027893 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6THiOIX009967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6THiMZu091180; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6THiF45091075 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) Received: from wamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.35]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DyYu6-0001tz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:44:14 -0400 Message-ID: <7596912.1122659054742.JavaMail.root@wamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bran is fed to horse in the form of a mash for a light feeding. You can get bran at a feed store. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: "penhalion@juno.com" Sent: Jul 29, 2005 1:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran Technically speaking, the bran would have been a waste product left over from processing grain. It would be what was left after cleaning and winnowing. It wouldn't have been the whole grain (wheat, barley, whatever). I suppose you could pop out to the store and buy a box of bran (not bran cereal, just the bran) but it would be easier (and less expensive) to go to your local Lowes, Home Depot, etc and just ask them if you can have the leavings of their wood sawing area. They might look at you a little funny, but I'm sure they'd be happy to get rid of it. Just a thought, Karen Seamstrix -- Alex Doyle wrote: Hi all, I have a question that is only sort of costume related, but more of a language question. Background I'm making a series of dolls as close to 16th century art/artifacts and records as I can. My base sources include the basic doll history books that I am not sure if the authors are British or American, and therefore I ask this question. Is bran a generic term used to refer grain of various types or is it a specific grain type? The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting together in the next two weeks. and to add costume content, I making making several historical outfits for these dolls, from an 1503 Spanish gown, 1530's German, 1550 English and 1570's Italian for just a few of them. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 14:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TINDCj029075 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TIMTk1014171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TIMPUi019900; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TIMK9D019846 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 45F9D5EE046 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:21:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002201c5946a$6b4bc860$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:22:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You probably have seen this but just in case not, http://members.fortunecity.com/cadieuxx/florentine.html she has a contact link. Hope this helps, De Hi Deredere, This is fabulous work she has done on her costumes, gosh i drolled of her renaissance dresses. Thanks for sharing the link Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 16:09:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TK9Fu7030507 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TK4xqD025716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK4sj9092664; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK4lfN092584 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6TK5AaP013363 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:05:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.189] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.189]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TK4eea013172 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050729124746.026358a8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:48:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold In-Reply-To: <42EA4936.102@fenris.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >or you might try wooden skewers (like for kebabs). They are longer than >matchsticks or toothpicks and might be easier to hang on to. I think the >ones I have in a drawer are actually bamboo and were sold in the chinese >section of some grocery store. These are bamboo and make nasty splinters, so be careful. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 16:09:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TK9Fnf030508 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TK8L7r026080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK8Knr095204; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK8FXb095147 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EE53C6EE for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D346C5E8 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:08:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bodice fit question Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002201c5946a$6b4bc860$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your welcome. I love her work as well. I am not Deredere, I go by De because people have problems pronouncing and spelling my birth name. And since it isn't Debbie, Deloris,..(the norm) etc I choose using De instead of Dee. :) De aka: D'Lisa -----Original Message----- Hi Deredere, This is fabulous work she has done on her costumes, gosh i drolled of her renaissance dresses. Thanks for sharing the link Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 16:09:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TK9Fcq030509 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TK6J0g025884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK6IE6093780; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TK4lm7092585 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:05:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6TK5BaP013387 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:05:11 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.189] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.189]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TK4eec013172 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:04:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050729124903.0251dab0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:58:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran In-Reply-To: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <072920051600.17467.42EA52B20003313A0000443B2206424613969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Is bran a generic term used to refer grain of various types or is it a >specific grain type? Bran is grain husks, not whole grain. Health food stores and Organic groceries will carry it. >The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with >bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I >don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting >together in the next two weeks. Coarse sawdust can usually be gotten in the pet department, as cage-bottom stuff for birds or small animals. Also there's a brand of kitty litter that's compressed sawdust pellets, and crumbles down into very fine sawdust. The rest of the bag will be very good for kitty litter (it's what our cats use). >and to add costume content, I making making several historical outfits >for these dolls, from an 1503 Spanish gown, 1530's German, 1550 English >and 1570's Italian for just a few of them. I'm all inspired now. I'd been trying to use wool for stuffing, and it wasn't working well. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 18:00:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TM0lm8032209 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:00:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TLxSlB038819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TLxPZE071481; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TLxFw9071269 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.11]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:57:00 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:59:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWL5LEZVEl9qQ/hQUq7R43vhDTcngIohD5A In-Reply-To: <20050718220036.78824.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2005 21:57:00.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[72347230:01C59488] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Two books I have been resourcing from (in addition to the multitude of web pages out there!) are "Medieval Costume in England and France: the 13th, 14th, and 15th Centuries" by Mary Houston, and "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions on these two books? [Betsy Marshal] Sorry to be late getting back on this! I recently acquired the Hartley book, and most of her reconstructed examples appear to be from theater/stage designs, so be aware that the appearance may be close to some of the manuscript illos, but the pattern/detail drawings are aimed at getting the "Look" as simply as possible. The original was published in 1931, so does not include the last 70 years of improved research and recent finds. That being said, if you want a decent appearance of medieval garb, you could do worse than to follow some of her examples- (N*rris leaps to mind.) most of the construction is rectangular, rather than fitted, and so will suit many body types over a wider range of size fluctuations than the closely fitted styles of later years. I hope this has been some help, Betsy (Planning at least one of Hartley's clerk's (over)robes for Pennsic- some of us Ansteorrans get a mite chilled that far north!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 18:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TM5WRK032466 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:05:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TM5D70040049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TM5AUX075824; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TM4jVt075547 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.93.209] (dialup-4.249.93.209.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.93.209]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TM4W6u013557 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:04:39 -0700 Message-ID: <42EAA80E.6070809@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:05:02 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold References: <20050729125513.77185.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050729125513.77185.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris wrote: > What a great idea!!! Thank you so much for sharing Judy. no problem. Luckily there was a diagram in one of my Danish costuming books! Only trick is: make sure the dowels are longer than the width of the frame, that way when you wind the fabric over and under them you can pull them taut against the frame. Just don't leave it out to dry somewhere where a cat can investigate! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 18:09:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6TM95FZ032599 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TM8Ycs040569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TM8WXv078097; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6TM7qkV077656 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.93.209] (dialup-4.249.93.209.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.93.209]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6TM7ia1013759 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <42EAA8CE.1010705@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:08:14 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood gold References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727160721.035a9f80@64.87.54.245> <000d01c5934a$004ff430$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728183240.0357e7a0@64.87.54.245> <01c701c593f5$438f1bd0$21399b04@HELENPINTO> <6.2.1.2.0.20050728232854.03554ef8@64.87.54.245> <42EA4936.102@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42EA4936.102@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > or you might try wooden skewers (like for kebabs). They are longer than > matchsticks or toothpicks and might be easier to hang on to. true, but depending on how much fabric you have to take up, the diameter is not big enough. That's why (after tons of calculations) I went with the 1/4" dowels. I had to involve a certain amount in the ruffle depth (think pleating depth). The gather thread allowed me to pull it in to fit the edge it was being attached to. -Judy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 29 20:26:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6U0QJuV005347 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:26:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6U0PfP7053626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6U0PcHn049636; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6U0PY3m049591 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050730002528.QOGS22277.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:25:28 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.23]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050730002528.UAGD5260.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:25:28 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.9.7]); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:25:29 +1200 Message-ID: <003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:25:28 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have made several fitted bodices over the years of this type and > always have the same problem. Unless I use a shaped center back seam, > the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center > back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. > If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. > But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting > technique I am missing? The only way I can get a flat back panel is when I'm using a raglan sleeve construction and my neckline is quite low: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/kampfrau.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/beham.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/annameyer.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/1560.htm this one does have a centre back seam because of contraints in cutting (one blanket for the dress.) The lining and inteerlining however are one piece each. (I do have drafted patterns of each of these, they just aren't online yet.) My curve occurs above the shoulder blades (yay for genetics and prednisone;) ) Luckily the raglan sleeve construction works for this place and time as I have not seen a centre back seam on German dress of this era. If anyone has seen one please forward the address to me as it would ease my mind as I do have a centre back seam on two of them;) I drafted my original pattern by pinning the fabric to my dress form in a straight line down the centre back. I used my hand to smooth the fabric around to the sides and pinned where the side seam would be (pins folloing the direction of the seam.) In shaping the piece it does depend on where you start with the smoothing and where you direct the fabric to, especially with a pronounced curve. You can also lower the back neckline a bit to account for individual shapes. It might make the drafting a bit easier too. You could also make the side back seams curved or make the angles different for each. So you'd pin the fabric at centre back and possibly pin the side panels in place then take fabric from the side edges of the centre back panel. Thing is, if you are achieving a good comfortable fit with what you are doing, just treat other ideas as experimentation. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 30 08:17:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UCHOef025600 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:17:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UCGCrU013964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UCG69o019132; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6U6UkNM091288 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1Dykrt0k43-0001xL; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00cb01c594d0$38290d10$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan Museum Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:30:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Agnes, Thank you for the information about the fan museum. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 30 09:00:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UD0vKT026098 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:00:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UD06aB016488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UD058H034847; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UD01m2034754 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1e6.40c91442 (25305) for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.40c91442.301cd3c5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:59:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] (confused) French hood gold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5009 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alright, I will admit it when I am confused. I have no clue what you guys are talking about with these dowels and bits of wood. I have been sewing for almost 40 years, and have not the faintest idea of how this is happening. I have never been very good at just visualizing things in the first place, and usually require some sort of illustration or very patient explaining. I am sorry to be so obtuse, but I figure that if I am confused there are probably others out there, and if this is really a technique that could help, then I would be most humbly grateful if someone would kindly explain further for me. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 30 10:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UEM8cl027017 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:22:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UELVuw021143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UELT8A066508; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UELNmT066463 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.138.142] (dialup-4.249.138.142.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.138.142]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UELGCM000643 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: <42EB8CF9.6000709@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:21:45 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] (confused) French hood gold References: <1e6.40c91442.301cd3c5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e6.40c91442.301cd3c5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chindora@aol.com wrote: > Alright, I will admit it when I am confused. I have no clue what you guys > are talking about with these dowels and bits of wood. I have been sewing for > almost 40 years, and have not the faintest idea of how this is happening. I > have never been very good at just visualizing things in the first place, and > usually require some sort of illustration or very patient explaining. I am > sorry to be so obtuse, but I figure that if I am confused there are probably > others out there, and if this is really a technique that could help, then I > would be most humbly grateful if someone would kindly explain further for me. > Ok, I've put up the original line drawing from my Danish book and a pic of the frame I made (with the rods). Hope this makes sense. Main thing I ahve to remember when I use it, is that the lower rods HAVE to go beneath the frame, or there isn't enoughspce between the peaks and valleys of the pleats and it doesn't 'take up' enough fabric. The fabric going over and under is enough pressure to keep the rods pressed against the frame - just don't tip it sideways or the rods slide out. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 30 11:02:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UF22kF027507 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:02:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UF1DB8023521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UF1AQ4082992; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UF10oh082814 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.216.5d715b3 (25305) for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <216.5d715b3.301cf020@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] (confused) French hood gold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5009 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/30/2005 7:22:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes: http://www.oldwaylane.net/Judy/Costuming/pleating.html OOh, Judy, thanks so much! Now I get it! :) Kimberley Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 30 11:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6UF9nni027593 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:09:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UF9Oa5024035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UF9Ns3087121; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UF9JFR087086 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.138.142] (dialup-4.249.138.142.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.138.142]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6UF9Bqs002876 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <42EB9834.7090806@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:09:40 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] (confused) French hood gold References: <216.5d715b3.301cf020@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <216.5d715b3.301cf020@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/997/Fri Jul 29 02:07:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chindora@aol.com wrote: > http://www.oldwaylane.net/Judy/Costuming/pleating.html > > > OOh, Judy, thanks so much! Now I get it! glad it helped. It's easy, although time consuming. I've done it both with cooked starch (now that was hot on the fingers!) and saturating the lace with Niagra spray starch. Both took about the same amount of time to dry and held up about the same. spray starch is much less messy and travels a whole lot better to hotels ;-) -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 11:27:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VFRles005957 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6VFRH4t027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VFRBYa037312; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VFR7Il037241 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1ab.3c895ce1 (3924) for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.3c895ce1.301e4772@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:25:38 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gilbert Stuart X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Howdy all, I just went to the Gilbert Stuart exhibit at the National Gallery in DC. Alas, it ends today! I assume it will go somewhere else but I don't know where...if anywhere. This show of late 18th and early 19th portraits is a fascinating study of the transition of fashion at this time. Some amazingly unique get ups on the women. Very beautiful and not run of the mill at all....some most interesting gowns and accessories from 1780s and 90s. The man's conservative suit [all those Presidents, y'know] and its subtle changes are there in glorious black on black detail. Mr. Stuart is an amazing painter. He's best known for those unfinished portraits of George and Martha Washington. But other works are familiar...like the full length of William Grant skating. The portrait of Catherine Brass Yates sewing in her high mob cap is also known...the rendering of the white satin is yummy. Matilda Stoughton de Jaudenes y Nebot is delicious in her elaborately embroidered gown [1794] with lots of accessories and plumed headdress. Like I said, today's the last day of the exhibition in DC, but I'm sure there must be a catalogue. I'm gonna try to get one. Not as good as seeing the real things but, y'know... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 12:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VGfH5J007069 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6VGeasu032568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VGeYuq068332; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6VGeUjO068267 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58112 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2005 16:40:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eD9dKvSbhlj7vZ8VmERO9CNl8aGMABrN5Rq5jYPmIcOe2Cin0y+wzEZ1sVeCaDI4MkhbRvgqpNDrAo9Hgw+4ErpA2fws5yQZ3Vh/Wdewy0Ux97D3w4ll4rOdxE52DbTJF+S9nMk4j46sSYkEp7g5MH86Hffgisx0R/WoKH00g8g= ; Message-ID: <20050731164025.58110.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:40:25 PDT Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507301800.j6UI02AZ074716@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 495 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:59:11 -0500 >From: "Betsy Marshal" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: everything - newbie delurking -----Original Message----- >Two books I have been resourcing from (in addition to the multitude of web >pages out there!) are "Medieval Costume in England and France: the 13th, >14th, and 15th Centuries" by Mary Houston, and "Medieval Costume and How to >Recreate It" by Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions on these two books? >[Betsy Marshal] >Sorry to be late getting back on this! I recently acquired the Hartley book, >and most of her reconstructed examples appear to be from theater/stage >designs, so be aware that the appearance may be close to some of the >manuscript illos, but the pattern/detail drawings are aimed at getting the >"Look" as simply as possible. >The original was published in 1931, so does not include the last 70 years of >improved research and recent finds. >That being said, if you want a decent appearance of medieval garb, you could >do worse than to follow some of her examples- (N*rris leaps to mind.) most >of the construction is rectangular, rather than fitted, and so will suit >many body types over a wider range of size fluctuations than the closely >fitted styles of later years. >I hope this has been some help, Betsy >>(Planning at least one of Hartley's clerk's (over)robes for Pennsic- some of >>us Ansteorrans get a mite chilled that far north!) Thank you Betsy, I had the impression that the book was aimed more at theatrical costuming. It is nice to have a source of historial references/artwork without having to go on line or make a trek to the library. I thought her simple pattern for a dress with a very full circle skirt was interesting and wondered how accurate it was. The bodice and sleeve construction appear close to my understanding of typical "T" tunic construction. But it seems to me the skirt would not hang properly with either a heavy or stiff fabric. I have seen pictures that suggest this sort of construction with contrasting fabric in the side pieces, although I'm pretty sure the one that comes to my mind was made with gored side pieces. (now, if I can remember where I saw that) I was thinking that in a lighter weight fabric the pattern would make a nice underdress - with narrower sleeves. (The late 1920's photos of the theatrical modeling of her costumes were a bit of a hoot. :-) ) Annette M The more I research the more I learn - and d* it's fun! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 15:43:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VJhdBI010342 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:43:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6VJgvPC046998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VJgrvm039752; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VJgnqM039735 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f29.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75D0F262843 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:42:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001501c59608$156a4d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:43:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] water soluble fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have not received any letters for a long time, so i wondered what you all do. Have you gone on vacations? Well actually i wanted to start your brains and ask you clever people what can i use the water soluble fabrics that i baught for? I think it is a wonderfull invention, but to what? Could it be used for embroidery? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 16:25:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VKPehE012112 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6VKPBJq049731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VKP9tN055624; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VKP5pr055517 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C979D3C85B for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:24:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42ED33C3.8060704@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:25:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] water soluble fabric References: <001501c59608$156a4d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001501c59608$156a4d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/999/Sun Jul 31 07:07:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Well actually i wanted to start your brains and ask you clever people > what can i use the water soluble fabrics that i baught for? > I think it is a wonderfull invention, but to what? > Could it be used for embroidery? There is a technique where you take the water soluble sheet and sew over it with all kinds of fancy threads in a random pattern until it is covered all over. Then you wash out the stabilizer and you have a small piece of "lace" that you can use in other projects. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 19:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VNIR3J015433 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6VNHe2d062936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VNHa5Z023234; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6VNHWo6023205 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m14.in-tch.com [216.166.191.14]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j6VNBeR12356 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42ED5D75.2030005@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:23:33 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] water soluble fabric References: <001501c59608$156a4d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001501c59608$156a4d00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1000/Sun Jul 31 13:28:06 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1000/Sun Jul 31 13:28:06 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Bjarne! (Sue waves from Montana) I think it's just a quiet weekend--all of my lists are pretty subdued. I have only limited experience using water-soluble fabrics, but this is what I've used them for: 1. To stabilize the very edge of some inexpensive lace that I was machine-stitching a zigzagged/buttonhole edging onto, using a gold thread (made especially for sewing machines). You could probably use it as a temporary stabilizer in other ways, too. 2. If you're embroidering or embellishing fabric that has a texture that makes it difficult to transfer a pattern onto the fabric, you can draw the patterns or guidelines onto the water-soluble fabric, and then tack or attach that to your fashion fabric, and embroider right through it. 3. If you're embroidering or machine-appliqueing onto a knit (say, putting a motif onto a tee shirt or sweat shirt), you can use the w.s. fabric as a stabilizer for the whole area, so that the knit doesn't shift or pucker. 4. I've also seen books talk about machine-sewn versions of lace done with a design drawn onto w.s. fabric, which is then dissolved, leaving only the machine embroidery behind. Sure it could be used for embroidery, but the embroidery materials would need to be okay to get wet, of course, and it probably works much better with some techniques than others.... --Sue, in hot, sticky wants-to-thunderstorm-but-probably-won't Montana ;oD Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have not received any letters for a long time, so i wondered what you > all do. > Have you gone on vacations? > Well actually i wanted to start your brains and ask you clever people > what can i use the water soluble fabrics that i baught for? > I think it is a wonderfull invention, but to what? > Could it be used for embroidery? > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 31 21:42:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j711gPmr017745 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:42:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j711flYT071695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j711fiQY076738; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j711fgSY076694 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18839 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2005 01:41:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Na4eapq0Ncyg+FkrTPAJ0KarzJp7j2uxAQoqSTTHwJbgmWTDNwLMugHtWUsLBCgNwbzN1uahLNrCpwYMuUG5Dqz+CvKcXkXcvifXif08ssSzZWQfR4IGZ+ygOeAVHEOmpfFVZWphJNjeAfThnoiCflShKngHewnSwEVXTSWU2DQ= ; Message-ID: <20050801014137.18837.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:41:37 PDT Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050731164025.58110.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1000/Sun Jul 31 13:28:06 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1000/Sun Jul 31 13:28:06 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hartley girl dress ('medieval') X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can tell you from bitter experience that the half-circle on either side gown in Hartley will rip straight across where all the fabric is hanging from the one waist point, and it's not a particularly repairable tear. If you follow the advice given often for a Simplicity surcote pattern with half-circles on either side, you will make 1/4 circles (or less) gores/godets, and insert them on each side & center front & back. Ann in CT --- Kahlara wrote: > >From: "Betsy Marshal" > > > "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by > > Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions? > >[Betsy Marshal] > Thank you Betsy, > > I thought her simple pattern for a dress with a very > full circle skirt was interesting and wondered how > accurate it was. The bodice and sleeve construction > appear close to my understanding of typical "T" > tunic construction. But it seems to me the skirt > would not hang properly with either a heavy or stiff > fabric. I have seen pictures that suggest this sort > of construction with contrasting fabric in the side > pieces, although I'm pretty sure the one that comes > to my mind was made with gored side pieces. (now, if > I can remember where I saw that) I was thinking that > in a lighter weight fabric the pattern would make a > nice underdress - with narrower sleeves. > > Annette M ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume