From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 12:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Gi7mZ032286 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71GhA7j080531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71GgiAU006701; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71GgVUb006468 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801164221.HBDX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:21 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 13:06:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71H6gg8032535 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71H6HEa083765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71H5upU025097; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71H5VYA024767 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.31] (206-124-5-31.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.31]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j71H1W917396 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:01:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:12 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 13:14:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71HEMoX032614 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:14:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71HDkS9084557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71HDXKP031762; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71HDRY8031582 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8858F3A208 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:13:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42EE5860.3000805@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:14:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO wendirae@bellsouth.net wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Never seen it by the yard, however feedsack fabric abounds on ebay, and there are a few places online selling reproduction dishtowels. I know you can get repro quilt fabric with the vintage prints, but I'm not sure it's the same texture/weave as the original feedsacks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 14:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71IGIp9000880 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71IFiVt093069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFUjX081968; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.io.com (smtp.io.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFP0k081883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFL4K046326 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 64.143.115.25 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48419.64.143.115.25.1122920121.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on smtp.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That sound right. Although my grandmother had different weights of the fabric used for flour sacks. Since she was a quilter she purchased them according to the weight she needed at the time. I remember a series that were out of Chambray and a high count ticking fabric. Chiara On Mon, August 1, 2005 12:06 pm, Sylvia Rognstad said: > I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) > > Sylrog > > On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour >> sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my >> mother-in-law >> and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a >> hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would >> be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> TIA, >> Wendi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 14:56:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71IuetA001352 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71IuCdE097102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Iu9L9011658; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Iu5Ug011541 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801185559.CPSV16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia, I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 15:43:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Jhqku001948 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:43:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71JhBE3002383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71JgZY9046618; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.178] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Jg7im046197 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C83C347 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA1A015061 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The osnaberg is stiff because of the sizing in the material. It loosens and soften up after you wash it. I do not think that osnaberg is equivalent to flour sack material but this is isn't based on anything solid. De -----Original Message----- Sylvia, I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 16:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71KMmwF002459 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71KKXfo006520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71KKKHj077003; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71KKEmm076918 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.37] (206-124-5-37.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.37]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j71KGE931104 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:16:14 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77939d3b3784e33836c4d3490c2847f1@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:54 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The osnaberg we sell at Joanns isn't stiff at all. Did the bolt say osnaberg? On Aug 1, 2005, at 12:55 PM, wrote: > Sylvia, > I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll > have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. > Thanks, > Wendi > Sylvia wrote: > I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) > > Sylrog > > On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law >> and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a >> hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> TIA, >> Wendi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 17:17:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71LHC4B002963 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71LGKvN014448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LG8rj022866; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IvEsx012326 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801185700.CTGU16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:57:00 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801185700.PMWR9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:57:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801185700.PMWR9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn: Thanks for the tip; I'll have to keep an eye out on ebay. Dawn wrote: Never seen it by the yard, however feedsack fabric abounds on ebay, and there are a few places online selling reproduction dishtowels. I know you can get repro quilt fabric with the vintage prints, but I'm not sure it's the same texture/weave as the original feedsacks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 17:45:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71LjQZ1003192 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71Liq7r017946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LipSY044699; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.102]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j71Lhpol043912 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56146 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2005 21:43:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wRM8C3s5xZHFStmJx33Iy2DmBmwdKU2BQ+UelWs/WaUAtTbqHLJzxQypEKqeZnsTeNLaQlF3NzsZyD9ZA6TrLxC7g+sZgR3h+JssODxaZBODD5EQ8m+2w5kfrqs2shlayS2qwlLPx+/x3V5OKDT3ou+Y/qncxEqRHh8m/tdTnlM= ; Message-ID: <20050801214346.56144.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:43:46 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508011804.j71I0v13069668@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Ann. That makes perfect sense. All that weight on one point would certainly cause a lot of stress, especially on some types of fabric. I think I know of the Simplicity pattern you are refering to. It is discontinued isn't it? I have seen it for sale on eBay for either a high price, or used and no return reply from the seller when asked if all the pieces were still there. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless surcotte. Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: [h-cost] Hartley girl dress ('medieval') To: Historical Costume I can tell you from bitter experience that the half-circle on either side gown in Hartley will rip straight across where all the fabric is hanging from the one waist point, and it's not a particularly repairable tear. If you follow the advice given often for a Simplicity surcote pattern with half-circles on either side, you will make 1/4 circles (or less) gores/godets, and insert them on each side & center front & back. Ann in CT --- Kahlara wrote: > >From: "Betsy Marshal" > > > "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by > > Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions? > >[Betsy Marshal] > Thank you Betsy, > > I thought her simple pattern for a dress with a very > full circle skirt was interesting and wondered how > accurate it was. The bodice and sleeve construction > appear close to my understanding of typical "T" > tunic construction. But it seems to me the skirt > would not hang properly with either a heavy or stiff > fabric. I have seen pictures that suggest this sort > of construction with contrasting fabric in the side > pieces, although I'm pretty sure the one that comes > to my mind was made with gored side pieces. (now, if > I can remember where I saw that) I was thinking that > in a lighter weight fabric the pattern would make a > nice underdress - with narrower sleeves. > > Annette M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:26:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71MQG8h003611 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MPPo5022043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MPC3B075543; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay04.mail2web.com (xrelay04.mail2web.com [168.144.1.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MJhP5070455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.229] (helo=M2W114.mail2web.com) by xrelay04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dzid3-0003jB-Sy for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:19:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005811222033953@M2W114.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:20:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j71MJhP5070455 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Original Message: ----------------- From: Kahlara kahlara@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. Thank you Ann. That makes perfect sense. All that weight on one point would certainly cause a lot of stress, especially on some types of fabric. I think I know of the Simplicity pattern you are refering to. It is discontinued isn't it? I have seen it for sale on eBay for either a high price, or used and no return reply from the seller when asked if all the pieces were still there. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless surcotte. You could try this site for a couple of free patterns. Sally has done her research, and while some people might not agree with her conclusions, I have heard good reports of her patterns. http://www.sallypointer.com/simplemedievaldress Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Mk8OU003845 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MjfUF024636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Mjaoi092878; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MjUTm092791 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j71MjsaP011185 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:45:54 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.65.253] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-65-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.253]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MjSMw198920 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:45:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:43:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric >by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would >love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding >it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. A few years ago, Mexican grocery stores still sold flour in printed sacks. Don't know if they still do. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:58:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71MwJOS003940 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MvZPu026008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvYAK001234; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvPBi001123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-110.sonic.net [209.148.114.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvOJK021074 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:57:24 -0700 Message-ID: <42EEA8D7.6030903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:57:27 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric References: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it's also called feed sack fabric and is sometimes available at quilting stores, including on-line ones. This is what I gather from some groups I'm on, I've never bought any myself. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my >> mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but >> I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any >> help would be greatly appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71N0LUq003970 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MxWWK026151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MxV1I002374; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MxRgs002318 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKyxe-1DzjFj0ILm-000074; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c596ec$abac2100$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Online Class Starting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j71N0LUq003970 Status: RO We have starting today an online class, "Basic Corsetry for Young Women: 1850 - 1865" at the Costume Classroom. This class can be adapted for adult women's corsetry. The class fee includes a three-month subscription to our online Research Library. The class is taught by Elizabeth Stewart Clark. There are still openings for new students. For more information go to www.costumeclassroom.com . Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71NB34p004090 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71N2qSG026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LF603021933; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LEpiO021664 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.80.2cc68813 (4320) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <80.2cc68813.301feac2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:14:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ] Re: Flour Sack Fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/1/2005 3:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: > I do not think that osnaberg is equivalent to flour sack material but this > is isn't based on anything solid I would think osnaberg, as I know it, too loosely woven to be a great four sack ...with flour sifting through it every time you moved the sack. I always thought flour sacks were of a moderately high count muslin...plain unbleached cotton [calico in England] but also often printed with blue flowers all over [calico in America]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71NB5ik004093 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71N2qSI026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MAL9r062697; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j71M99eE061700 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 11700 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 22:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 22:09:00 -0000 Message-ID: <42EE9D7A.1060401@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:08:58 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > I am making a late 15th century Italian dress, > Unless I use a shaped center back seam, > the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center > back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. > If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. > But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting > technique I am missing? Thanks! everybody for the helpful suggestions and web info. I will try some of them out on the next version of the dress. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 23:27:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j723RkVL007078 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j723Qj82048063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723QA7c035263; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723Q7xE035232 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-44-055.jps.net ([209.165.44.55]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DznPp-00064B-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:26:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:38 AM -0700 7/29/05, Alex Doyle wrote: >The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with >bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I >don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting >together in the next two weeks. My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a fashion accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, for anything but the shortest-term use. The reason being -- if bran has enough nourishment in it to be fed to horses, it also has enough nourishment in it to attract bugs. Having a couple of pincushions riddled with carpet-bettle holes was quite enough to convince me to use sawdust in the future. Crumbled and finely sifted peat moss from the garden store works, too. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 23:47:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j723lEEI007282 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j723kjZK049613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723kiid044519; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723kfqT044462 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mezarale@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so1387411wra for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:x-mailer:reply-to:organization:x-priority:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=e40ehRbERuNfCOi5CK3FGpnV/A6hd1pNGnFoQh3eKTvfvRgCUStX5sHv7p5+Wvzmn7O3PgsP0+2R3zKVz0SbuTSOSuhgT20qbljTxnFs75XZ/EZeHmgoszYcu5vvYZpWxzpy6T+0SB0XR99X31Er1Bp19mv6b8OxS8KsZgw2Wzs= Received: by 10.54.18.2 with SMTP id 2mr3423943wrr; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 10.1.2.195 ([69.179.185.83]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm5556581wrl.2005.08.01.20.46.35; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:46:46 -0500 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1537351676.20050801224646@ix.netcom.com> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re[2]: [h-cost] RE: costume critique/discussion website In-Reply-To: <42E831C9.4050306@lavoltapress.com> References: <000601c5930f$40e6b0a0$fd93fea9@mycomputer> <42E831C9.4050306@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jlkelley X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I have to ask. Could you have a spot where people put up their worst creations? I ask because I got suckered into making a dress for a friend. ("What do you want for your birthday?" I asked. "Would you sew me a new dress for SCA?" she said with big doe eyes. "I have the velvet fabric for the dress and cotton for the lining and the pattern already.") Since her mother was a sewer I asked my friend to go ahead and have her mother cut out the fabric. I have never had such a fiasco in my life -- instead of letting her mother help her she decided to do it herself. The velvet ended up being two different fabrics -- corduroy and stretch velvet. The lining was a flimsy cotton. The pattern was Halloween chic in its correctness. The problem (other than my aesthetic sensibilities being smashed) was that none of the pieces truly matched up. I have seen small children do better cutting. Over one night (yes that means 7:00 in the evening to 4:00 the next morning -- we were going to an SCA event the next day) I forced the pieces to fit together. Overall the only place that I did not force to match up was the back above the zipper (it was the first time I ever put in a zipper) was slightly off. I used some holiday trim I was going to use on wreaths that I used to cover up some of the mistakes. We went to the event and I wanted to hide ever time she told anyone that I made the dress. If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put this one. Jonica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72CR1Gc012050 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CQGvP093880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CQBg1049605; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CQ8AL049556 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802122603.SUES16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:26:03 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:26:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 8:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour sack fabric. Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much after it has been washed? Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, not as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty sure I looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have to double check it again. Thanks again for everyone's help! Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Cr9Kp012338 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:53:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CqWFB095293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CqVP8060780; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CqSXH060709 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:52:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:52:03 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume critique/discussion website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put this one. Jonica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! I think we all have some of these that we could drag out and get a good cathartic laugh from. Maybe designate one or two times a year for these, like around April Fool's Day, so folks know it is meant in fun? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:56:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Cu2ds012362 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CtO5f095439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CtO7W062023; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72CsDLj061466 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-337); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:54:13 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:54:11 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802055217.03946680@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:56:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack In-Reply-To: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> References: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:26 AM 8/2/2005, you wrote: >I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour >sack fabric. > >Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much >after it has been washed? > >Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, >not as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty >sure I looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have >to double check it again. > >Thanks again for everyone's help! >Wendi Osnaberg is too loosely woven to make a good corset. You want something that doesn't stretch too much. I have had successful corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is designed for corsets. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 09:15:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72DFTHl012618 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:15:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72DExCY096600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72DEwZn071258; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72DEsRZ071218 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.142] (pm5-142.eos.net [205.133.149.142]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j72DEopk025342 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:14:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:06:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508020349.j723nGa6045517@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. I've used these a lot for SCA gowns, and I always thought they were okay -- until I made things out of pure linen and pure wool. Now I think they stink. They are not stable -- they change shape while you are sewing them, even if you are good and iron them every step of the way. And they creep in the sewing machine. Pieces that start off the same shape don't end up that way by the time you finish the end of a seam. I was amazed at how pure linen and pure wool just stay put, even on the bias (cross)! And if you think linen wrinkles -- they wrinkle too, but they are floppier. On they other hand, they look pretty good and they are cheap. I still have some left and I do plan to use it. But next time I will starch everthing as I sew in hopes that it stays put a bit. If you just want something to wear and price is important, then buy it and expect a harder time sewing. It'll look fine. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:07:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72E7aKI013044 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72E6x6U000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72E6tDM098794; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72E6p5h098702 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.20d.628ff30 (4214) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:06:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2005 8:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: > I have had successful > corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is > cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is > designed for corsets. > I've used white denim, which has a twill weave. It will mold a bit but doesn't really stretch. Worked well. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EXYnL013262 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72EWtmD003089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EWq7R014771; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EWUoO014540 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779843FDCE for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42ef2a14.3106 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC74P0V5WZcgIAAAAB,87d54018e131a6f3547d4e9bacac160e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050802073220.763C65E6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I prefer the 100% linen, I have used the blends and not had a problem. If you get the cotten/linen blend it acts and looks pretty much the same as pure linen. I am not fond of the rayon/linen blend. Just as a side note, I have found 100% linen stuffed in with the blends at JoAnne's several times. They don't seem to know or care that is is different, and the price is the same. You just have to look at the end of every bolt and maybe find one in a stack of a dozen blends. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: From: Gail & Scott Finke Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:06:01 -0400 To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. _____________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EYZwq013271 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:34:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72EYGH8003269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EYGLm015775; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EYDbj015741 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.113] (206-124-5-113.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.113]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j72EUD916589 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:30:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> References: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:56 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. Sylrog On Aug 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/2/2005 8:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > joanmj@surewest.net writes: > >> I have had successful >> corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is >> cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is >> designed for corsets. >> > > I've used white denim, which has a twill weave. It will mold a bit but > doesn't really stretch. Worked well. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EvIub013459 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72Eulxq005291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EukPY030903; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72Euf1C030794 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 43086 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 14:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <42EF899F.5040007@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:56:31 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > > >>I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic >>ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these >>fabrics? I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 14:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72IFGav015209 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:15:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72IEBJB027919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:14:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IDvoo085538; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IDrbT085478 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 7F7B11ECDAC; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.235.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.235]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A9391ECDC5 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <050801c5978e$2bcaac20$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42EF899F.5040007@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while back, I ordered a ton of $3/yd linen/cotton herringbone. It looked and felt like pure linen--very silky--until I washed it. It FULLED. Unwashed, it had been very lightweight, very thin, (it felt like about 3.5-4 oz, from what I remember) and a bit loosely woven. Washed, it's thicker than denim (though still pretty loosely woven; it didn't really shrink much) and not at all silky. It's still pretty breathable and surprisingly easy to work with (especially for hand-sewing, because of the looseness of the weave) but it's a completely different fabric than what I'd bought; in terms of drape and hand you're more likely to mistake it for wool than for linen. The leftovers, of which I have a ton, are excellent for making mock-ups of fulled wool garments, since they have pretty much the same stretch and thickness. As a matter of fact, I was just sitting here putting things up for sale, so if you're curious you can see a dress made out of this stuff: http://www.formfunction.org/for_sale/rr.html Both the outside and the lining are made out of this fabric, but the metric ton of hand-sewing that went in to it went quickly and easily and didn't cause any blisters! Couldn't say the same for a 100% linen cote of a similar washed thickness that I made around the same time. All said, I don't find a cotton/linen blend too objectionable for outerwear, but I wouldn't want it directly against my skin, and I wouldn't wear it when it's over 85-90 degrees F. And if it's wonderfully silky and beautiful when you buy it, then make a dry-clean only garment out of it! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 14:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Ixd18015559 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72IwNuI032829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IwKU7019648; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IwF7O019565 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be19.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.25]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF29047FE20 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:58:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] House of Chanel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am so fortunate that they are sending a series in the danish television about the House of Chanel and Karl Lagerfeld. They show how they create all the haute couture models and all the staff in the house is working. Included a very skilled shoemaker, a professional tassel maker, and embroiderers. Whow it is very interresting to watch this. Those seamstresses really knows what they are doing. Gosh how awsome it must be to work there! Some people really are lucky!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 15:16:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72JGke8015745 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:16:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72JFmZY034685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JF2gD033075; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JEtqt032849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j72JEY9Z020719 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <42EFC664.1010901@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:15:48 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] House of Chanel References: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I wouldn't give to see that series, Bjarne! Even if I couldn't understand what they were saying, it would be enough just to see all that eye candy. Sigh. Michelle in scorching Michigan, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 18:13:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72MDosn017209 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72MCwCC055742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72MCqwA070348; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MCmUq070222 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35381 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 22:12:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q7DWziLN/oH+KJ7Va70vqg6FizFhBTgGE4Dn7pJV1VYb491OE6+Tj4jvOGQ6H5ZwHisoCbSUjYAPrppcPr8PqS9/2G5qG+514cf7bbUHlj45ASml+qOLQ8tyBqkxeZggRwK6pDBr04mcWw0OOAk1STnzzKhxEFUhiKstZ+SOChM= ; Message-ID: <20050802221243.35379.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:12:42 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508020349.j723nGa7045517@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 498 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank Suzi, The 'simple' dress looks relatively easy. It is good to have an actual diagram of the pattern layout - makes it easier to visualize how it should go together. The 'red dress' pattern is virtually identical to the Hartley pattern (Medieval Costume...by Dorothy Hartley). Annette M Original Message: ----------------- From: Kahlara kahlara@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? You could try this site for a couple of free patterns. Sally has done her research, and while some people might not agree with her conclusions, I have heard good reports of her patterns. http://www.sallypointer.com/simplemedievaldress Suzi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 18:29:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72MTuwc017362 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72MTM8T057424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72MTKoJ081810; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MT9It081611 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54635 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 22:29:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHeLeKtIcPIL2ikWyQUXvxZNBFub/0y8oviXezDBCTiqmx11CREJR80rLpqIF83SBbvn/wIiAjCSX0zfqQb3z9gt6FXkIuZoTPelBVUBsLbUcNov71TTLV90OHw6HuS1xAKmmaxf6OD6oOnJDsKZ86k5waCNVD4m3sfpzAXVr5k= ; Message-ID: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:28:59 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are hard to come by. :- ( In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. From: Gail & Scott Finke Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. I've used these a lot for SCA gowns, and I always thought they were okay -- until I made things out of pure linen and pure wool. Now I think they stink. They are not stable -- they change shape while you are sewing them, even if you are good and iron them every step of the way. And they creep in the sewing machine. Pieces that start off the same shape don't end up that way by the time you finish the end of a seam. I was amazed at how pure linen and pure wool just stay put, even on the bias (cross)! And if you think linen wrinkles -- they wrinkle too, but they are floppier. On they other hand, they look pretty good and they are cheap. I still have some left and I do plan to use it. But next time I will starch everthing as I sew in hopes that it stays put a bit. If you just want something to wear and price is important, then buy it and expect a harder time sewing. It'll look fine. Gail Finke ------------------------------ From: Lalah Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends While I prefer the 100% linen, I have used the blends and not had a problem. If you get the cotten/linen blend it acts and looks pretty much the same as pure linen. I am not fond of the rayon/linen blend. Just as a side note, I have found 100% linen stuffed in with the blends at JoAnne's several times. They don't seem to know or care that is is different, and the price is the same. You just have to look at the end of every bolt and maybe find one in a stack of a dozen blends. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender ------------------ I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. liz young --------------------- And that depends on the blend. Rayon blended with linen should not be so; polyester, however, may be. I think rayon is blended with linen mainly for lower cost; polyester is blended to make it more easy-care--less prone to wrinkles. Comfort is largely dependent on how well the fibers absorb moisture, and rayon is more absorbent than linen. Ann Wass --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 20:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j730UtIW018268 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j730U6Y9066805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j730U1hW051957; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j730TrgN051841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-219-166-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.166]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j730Tp7E032731 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:29:52 +1000 Message-ID: <005301c597c2$5db94640$a6dbf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume critique/discussion website Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:18:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put > this one. > Jonica hmm, maybe in the fantasy section with a note in the description explaining what it is. If other people are interested I could create and "Oh My God What Was I Thinking" section (or something along those lines) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:57:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731vS2I018757 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731ufDb072347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731uZXM092387; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72FHOh5046483 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.219.606b3e7 (4184) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.606b3e7.3020e878@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2005 10:59:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizyoung@fenris.net writes: I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. And that depends on the blend. Rayon blended with linen should not be so; polyester, however, may be. I think rayon is blended with linen mainly for lower cost; polyester is blended to make it more easy-care--less prone to wrinkles. Comfort is largely dependent on how well the fibers absorb moisture, and rayon is more absorbent than linen. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wkrs018776 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vu8X072613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vuiW093162; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JdTVC053261 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802193908.OVKJ3114.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? TIA, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wkvY018777 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731viQK072518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731viLv092998; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72I9xjF082178 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802180953.GGIL3114.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia, Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with the fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't remember seeing a sign for Drill. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. Sylrog" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wlGp018781 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vq7j072570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vqh2093097; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72JSmVV043878 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51099 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 19:28:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nubg+Guqp8lGUPo5r7d7Imp7wBwkSw8lboGfiYi/aIVGcMGPowfxQjK5eTUuIlV1izQDXHZ7pQu3FMws40kIol+dVA2dWHnnfDX9DAMiUqIaLMMqv76JbIM1nsoaOE/ecW/19R7ow1FzmDk3sdpn1Ktp5/3lGEmk+LaCjLu1BJE= ; Message-ID: <20050802192833.51097.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:28:33 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] House of Chanel To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You should too Bjarne, your work is perfection and you have such an amazing eye for color/color matching...just my couple of pennies worth ;) A BIG fan of your incredible work, Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I am so fortunate that they are sending a series in the danish television about the House of Chanel and Karl Lagerfeld. They show how they create all the haute couture models and all the staff in the house is working. Included a very skilled shoemaker, a professional tassel maker, and embroiderers. Whow it is very interresting to watch this. Those seamstresses really knows what they are doing. Gosh how awsome it must be to work there! Some people really are lucky!!! Bjarne --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wn39018788 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731w1rS072655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731w176093235; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MpbYu098075 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-11570); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:51:09 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:51:06 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:53:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends In-Reply-To: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:28 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better >at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) >Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the >Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. > >I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but >the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft >supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad >actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 >of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty >(bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are >hard to come by. :- ( > >In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have >linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? > >Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. For linen, I go to www.fabrics-store.com. I have had good service and decent products at a good price. You can get free samples of up to 5 fabrics at a time. Can't hurt to give it a try. I've had good luck with cotton-linen blends (and it's amazing what a little color-remover and dye will do if the original color is just wrong); most of the ones I have used are 50-50. I won't use any of the linen-rayon blends for next-to-the-skin clothing, but they should be fine for outer garments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wlVS018783 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vm8S072539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vm3o093049; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72Ihi25008572 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-249-130.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.249.130]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with SMTP id j72Ihctd001994 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:43:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001c01c59791$ee455360$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200508011802.j71I0v12069668@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: water soluble fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > I have not received any letters for a long time, so i wondered what you all > do. > Have you gone on vacations? > Well actually i wanted to start your brains and ask you clever people what > can i use the water soluble fabrics that i baught for? > I think it is a wonderfull invention, but to what? > Could it be used for embroidery? > Bjarne Bjarne, I love watersoluble fabric I use it perhaps more than I should :) -For drawing out the embroidery pattern, to transfer to materials like ribbed silk, velvet, and linen that I want to keep *absolutely* white. I baste the pattern onto the fabric, do a quick running stitch through it, wash it, and voila! -For stabilizing slippery fabrics, that I'm sewing together, like that dark blue silk charmeuse that prefers to slide into a lump next to the sewing machine, and shows pin marks badly. -I have a friend who makes lace bowls (yes, bowls) she draws the pieces, to make a ball, on the watersoluble, then she stitches over it, with her sewing machine, with fancy embroidery stitches, and zigzags. After the material is covered, she cuts the pieces out, sews them together, and then rinses out the watersoluble. They are very pretty and delicate little things. -and last...I've thought of using it as a ground work for making Punto in Aria lace, a needlepoint lace, but I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know if it would work. I hope this gives you some ideas, enjoy it, Bob Dorr-Robert of Stonemarche, currently embroidering, and adding pearls for a set of tunic cuffs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732Uadf018946 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732UFtJ075733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732UD7X009669; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732U8wp009614 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.109] (206-124-5-109.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.109]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j732Q7927702 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:26:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <16305078bc82f46353e26c16aa083393@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found it with the rest of the utility fabrics, where they keep the osnaburg, canvas, diaper fabric, etc. On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:09 PM, wrote: > Sylvia, > > Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with the > fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't remember seeing > a sign for Drill. > > Thanks, > Wendi > > Sylvia wrote: > "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or > off-white > drill, which is good for corsets. > > Sylrog" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:34:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732YmN9018979 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732YPs9076088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732YPN2011603; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732YLQe011532 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j732YGoi021741 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:34:16 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-62.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.196.146.62]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2005 22:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <48vift$13ova93@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,162,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1200597283:sNHT15278608" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:34:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Thread-Index: AcWXzshV7H9RS1dNTVWmtRrPfGs9twABN5Pg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not Sylvia, but the drill will probably be in the utility fabrics with pillow ticking and osnaburg, etc. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of > wendirae@bellsouth.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:10 PM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack > > Sylvia, > > Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with > the fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't > remember seeing a sign for Drill. > > Thanks, > Wendi > > Sylvia wrote: > "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white > or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. > > Sylrog" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732nB14019060 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:49:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732mlON076954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732mj8R018425; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732meog018377 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j732n5aP013081 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:49:05 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.65.253] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-65-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.253]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732mYi8423072 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:48:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050802191957.025266b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:20:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? It's thin and doesn't wear as well as thicker linen. It feels like silk until it wears thru. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 00:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7344YMe019496 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:04:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7343mue082578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7343kn4053660; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7343gXT053607 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB35C5D238; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:01:40 -0700 To: margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com, isleofmannca@yahoogroups.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I guess I like to research costumes, even what some would consider minor parts like the hats and other accessories. To me, they are just as important in getting right (or close to it as we can sometimes) as getting the gown right. I've seen a number of French hoods worn over the years, and part of why I am so keen in researching this accessory is that most that I have seen at various renaissance faires (although, not all, thankfully) usually have that upper crescent shaped way too large, and standing up way too high. For those who watched Babylon 5, a badly made French hood can sometimes remind me of the Centauri's fashion for a standing crest of hair. And yes, I have worn such a standing crest myself, so I am not pointing fingers at anyone. As we learn better, we do better. As a standing crest is something I want to avoid in making my next French hood, I decided that the best way to determine what a proper one should look like, is to look at as many examples in surviving portraits and sketches that I could find. Unfortunately, there are no surviving French hoods that I have heard of, so portraits and sketches have to suffice. However, the biggest problem in determining what they really look like, is that there are no back images of any that I could find, or really good side views either. But what images I have found in my many books, I have scanned and made available for everyone to view for research purposes only. I am sure there are more images available in other books and even online, but I didn't find them... yet. I know there is one book that I would love to get from our local college, Strong's _Tudor & Jacobean Portraits_, but they are expanding the library, and all those kind of research books are being moved into storage for awhile. When I get that book, or any other images of interest, I will update the page. The images I have scanned are only French hoods, and they date from the late 1530s to the 1550s, but all are of similar fashion style. For now, you can find all 10 images I have, in full and in close-up detail, at my dress diary section: 1540s French Hood Images http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/Fhood_images.html If you know of any images that should be on this page but are not, please let me know. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 02:01:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7361Foo020633 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 02:01:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73600tk090362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j735xs0v001021; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j735xoVN000932 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j735xiU13518 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:59:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> Message-Id: From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:59:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> >> In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have >> linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics >> from eBay? >> >> Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. > I've had very good luck with fabrics from eBay. But I tend to be adventurous when it comes to such things. But I recently got a gorgeous wool tapestry type fabric that I am working into a coat. It wasn't exactly like it looked on eBay, it was better. caveat emptor. Make sure to check their feedback. Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 03:39:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j737dw3O016563 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j737d8RT096874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j737d5OI047140; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j737d1fc047108 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1E0Dq80E8N-0006BG; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00cc01c597fe$6de6b250$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:39:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mullet Hairstyle History Timeline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j737dw3O016563 Status: RO This is so cute: http://www.brownielocks.com/mullet.html Of course you have to sing along with the midi while visiting the webpage. We actually sing "Hair" to my son who is going his hair out. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 08:16:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73CGDxB022871 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:16:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73CFTBf026180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73CFP1K065974; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73CFL1v065899 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKN00GBMBDET9ZZ@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:15:24 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My problem with fabrics-store is that thier white light weight linen (IL-19 and IL-20 i think are they names) does not come in what they called "soften" so it is fairly rough-i.e. not something i would want to use in a chemises. I have used it so, and it is ok, but NOT as nice as some of the good linen I have bought for 7 dollars other places. I have tried washing and drying it again and again, and alos tried washing it with dish soap (someone said that might help at some point). Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:28 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote: > >> Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better >> at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) >> Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the >> Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. >> >> I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but >> the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft >> supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad >> actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 >> of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty >> (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are >> hard to come by. :- ( >> >> In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have linen. >> Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? >> >> Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. > > > For linen, I go to www.fabrics-store.com. I have had good service and > decent products at a good price. You can get free samples of up to 5 > fabrics at a time. Can't hurt to give it a try. > I've had good luck with cotton-linen blends (and it's amazing what a > little color-remover and dye will do if the original color is just > wrong); most of the ones I have used are 50-50. I won't use any of > the linen-rayon blends for next-to-the-skin clothing, but they should > be fine for outer garments. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 09:53:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73Drxc0023752 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73Dr6FP038720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Dr3Wc018648; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Dqx4H018595 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AD0DF5EE0AC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c59832$af429410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:53:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Wendi, I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i have imported the most expensive and lovely handkerchief linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century gentlemans shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, irons well, washes well, and alas very very expensive. Also my stock cravat is made of this material. Let me know what this pros and cons are. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen > Hello, > I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any > experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the > Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? > > TIA, > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:03:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73E3mGc023805 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73E2uj3039676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E2tDV024980; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E2pXp024888 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j73E2ew29191.; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:02:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:02:40 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:02:17 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j73E3mGc023805 Status: RO Advantages and disadvantages (from the Latin "pro" (for) and "contra" (against). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 03/08/2005 14:53 >>> Let me know what this pros and cons are. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:06:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73E6JwD023843 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73E5sqk039965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E5rUC026827; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E5nHs026780 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 383FA5EE020 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, Welcome to the club of high crests. The very first i ever made, was like your description, and way to exagerated. Even worse was that i made it with an elizabethan wheel farthingale. My research was not worth 2 pennies those days :-) I have often wondered, that there must be many portraits at the Louvre Museum in Paris. Unfortunately i have never been there, but they must have as many portraits from the period, as the english has. Dont know if there are any french books arround. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images > Hi all, > > I guess I like to research costumes, even what some would consider minor > parts like the hats and other accessories. To me, they are just as > important in getting right (or close to it as we can sometimes) as getting > the gown right. > > I've seen a number of French hoods worn over the years, and part of why I > am so keen in researching this accessory is that most that I have seen at > various renaissance faires (although, not all, thankfully) usually have > that upper crescent shaped way too large, and standing up way too high. > For those who watched Babylon 5, a badly made French hood can sometimes > remind me of the Centauri's fashion for a standing crest of hair. And yes, > I have worn such a standing crest myself, so I am not pointing fingers at > anyone. As we learn better, we do better. > > As a standing crest is something I want to avoid in making my next French > hood, I decided that the best way to determine what a proper one should > look like, is to look at as many examples in surviving portraits and > sketches that I could find. Unfortunately, there are no surviving French > hoods that I have heard of, so portraits and sketches have to suffice. > However, the biggest problem in determining what they really look like, is > that there are no back images of any that I could find, or really good > side views either. > > But what images I have found in my many books, I have scanned and made > available for everyone to view for research purposes only. I am sure there > are more images available in other books and even online, but I didn't > find them... yet. I know there is one book that I would love to get from > our local college, Strong's _Tudor & Jacobean Portraits_, but they are > expanding the library, and all those kind of research books are being > moved into storage for awhile. When I get that book, or any other images > of interest, I will update the page. > > The images I have scanned are only French hoods, and they date from the > late 1530s to the 1550s, but all are of similar fashion style. For now, > you can find all 10 images I have, in full and in close-up detail, at my > dress diary section: > 1540s French Hood Images > http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/Fhood_images.html > If you know of any images that should be on this page but are not, please > let me know. > > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:24:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EONtb024297 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73ENmfp041857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ENksu039806; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ENfNZ039663 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:23:14 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I used it for a couple of 16th C shirts, machine sewed one, hand sewed the other. It was a dream to handsew as fingerpressing took quite easily. It doesn't wear as well as the heavier linens but both of the guys I made these for say it is very cool and comfortable to wear. I was using the handkerchief linen available on sewingcentral.com. Hope that helps, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:26:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EPxdr024312 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73EPbmY042003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EPbhq041055; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EPBRw040740 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m36.in-tch.com [216.166.191.36]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j73EJGR29555 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42F0D531.3040201@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:31:13 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's a shame. The bolt of the same stuff I got from them (their 3.5 oz "handkerchief" linen) washed up beautifully. It's not quite as fine as some other fabric I've got (60 threads/inch), but it's very nice, and makes great shifts and shirts (and hankies, too). The thread count's not as exactly even as I'd like for my counted-thread work, but I'm looking forward to doing some embroidery on it for a 16th-century shift. I'm going to do a variant on the partlet and sleeves from the Helena S????(Slackenburg? something like that) painting (English, mid-century). She's the young lady in the sleeveless red dress, with the partlet and matching sleeves embroidered with sprigs of roses? I'm going to do the same thing, but using sprigs of blue columbine, since columbine are the charge in my (SCA) badge. There are a number of examples in 16th c. English clothing that show little touches of heraldic charges or associations, so I thought it appropriate. Plus, it gets me the chance to try another kind of embroidery (I generally don't do surface work), AND has the bonus of avoiding roses, which were hugely popular as thematic elements in 16th c. (English) embroidery, but which, in the SCA, tend to be associated with queens and former queens, which I am not. --Sue in sunny Montana, who needs to get off this computer and go to work! ;o) J Schueller wrote: > My problem with fabrics-store is that thier white light weight linen > (IL-19 and IL-20 i think are they names) does not come in what they > called "soften" so it is fairly rough-i.e. not something i would want to > use in a chemises. I have used it so, and it is ok, but NOT as nice as > some of the good linen I have bought for 7 dollars other places. > I have tried washing and drying it again and again, and alos tried > washing it with dish soap (someone said that might help at some point). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73ETcs2024344 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:29:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73ETCMc042348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ETATH043532; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ET4oY043432 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AD5B4262869 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006701c59837$be249960$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Advantages and disadvantages (from the Latin "pro" (for) and "contra" (against). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor Thanks Kate, I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EWwRw024372 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:32:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73EWdel042694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EWa5Z045983; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j73EVNpW045013 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail04.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.144]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBRBXKWAN83HFJ for (sender ); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn71ZjS8EC5Ewdi4PsPImzjRZcF5ZuM4MjGw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail04.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZG24W8R; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:31:13 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail04.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:30:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:30:12 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050803.073113.25189.243325@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:320837553 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.144|webmail04.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think that it's a trick of perspective that makes people think that French Hoods stand up away from the head. I have made two French Hoods that actually lay down almost flat against my skull but that look tilted when I wear them. People don't realize that the skull actually slopes up from the forehead and so if you make something that lies flat to the head it will appear tilted when observed. I cringe every time I see one of the 'sun visor' French Hoods- I know that's what some people actually use for them because they have told me with great enthusiasm that they are the perfect shape and won't it be wonderful......that's when I just grit my teeth and nod politely. I remember seeing a nun one time with a head-dress that was a perfect French Hood and I wished that I had the nerve to ask her how her order (I have no idea which one) constructs the things and if the makings might be available to the public. Alas, I haven't seen one like it since (not that I've been prowling th! e convents and cathedrals looking) but if I do, I may just throw caution to the wind and ask. Byt he way, there's a sketch in one of Janet Arold's books (PoF or QEWUNLK'D) of a French woman from front and back and I believe she's wearing a French Hood......it's usually used to illustrate the farthingale that peaking out from under her hem or the way her bodice laces up the back. That might give you a back view to work from. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 11:35:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73FZJK0025895 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73FYGLF050634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73FY958094362; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73FY4S8094209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.39] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j73FXtE3017590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:33:49 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, I'm so glad you are doing this! An image collection of French hoods has been on the to-do list for a long time. One of the things I was contemplating was a look at similar styles from nearby countries just before this time period as well as later developments--a sort of evolutionary approach. Most people trace the hood from the looser early century arrangement, or just before the turn of the century as in Margaret of Burgandy's version: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/moulins/anne_aus.jpg But there are several intriguing possibilities from the Flemish school that might be closer, evolutionary speaking. Gossaert depicts a young women with a frech-hood shaped headdress that contains her hair in a bag at the back: http://www.wga.hu/art/g/gossaert/2/girl.jpg Hemessen has this interesting variation: http://www.wga.hu/art/h/hemessen/jan/weighing.jpg and an absolute favorite, for the "bag": http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/female/concert.jpg (The above are from the Web Gallery of Art: http://www.wga.hu/index.html, go to search page, choose appropriate time/school) and the post-1540 style of headdress: Mary Tudor in profile on a medal. There is a companion medal of Phillip. This is about 10 years after the period you are looking at. There are several images of these around the web. Here's one: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/63/Mary_and_Philip_medal.jpg Quite different! - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 14:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73ICiCU027419 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73IBlP2070829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IAjNf030767; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IAUe9030497 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050803181024.OTPX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050803181024.RGFX9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050803181024.RGFX9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Very Cool Links X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if these links have ever been posted before, but I was browsing around the internet and found some great links that I just had to pass along! 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Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 14:59:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73IxRvI027853 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73IwWhE076607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IwKRI069026; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Iv2Gk067910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-33.sonic.net [209.148.113.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Iv1ox023620; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:57:01 -0700 Message-ID: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:57:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need someone to make belt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where in the San Francisco area I can get a belt made to go with a vintage buckle? I have a big, heavy 20th-century enameled buckle (probably brass) with a very simple but unusual closure. It's Art Nouveau style but made in the later 20th century, probably an Oriental import. It has a blue suede belt that, aside from being worn, is blue. I almost never wear blue. Anyway, I want to replace the belt with an identical one in some shade of brown that goes with the buckle (which is brass color, dark blue, and red). Anyone know a reliable leatherworker who can do this at a reasonable price? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 15:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73J9Qoq027932 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73J8v0m077704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73J8MLC077220; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73J7FbA076251 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKN00GWQUFOM950@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:07:09 -0400 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42F115DD.6010803@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New (to me) book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello everyone. I just picked up a new (to me) book at the library, and I thought others might be intrested in it as it seems to have a bunch of pictures and details of the pics. Private Lives in Renaissance Venice by Patricia Fortini Brown http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300102364/qid=1123095777/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9440793-8383823?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 It is not my area, but it looks well packaged, so some of you might want to browse it if you find it in your local library. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 15:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73Jo2HH028293 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73JnAHT081893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Jm7YC008567; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Jl9Pi007760 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050803194704.CSTD16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:04 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects of working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very easy to work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does it breathe or is it oppresive? Thanks, Wendi Bjarne wrote: >Hi Wendi, >I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i >have imported the most expensive and lovely handkerchief >linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century gentlemans >shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, >irons well, washes well, and alas very very expensive. >Also my stock cravat is made of this material. > >Let me know what this pros and cons are. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 16:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73KR2Nx028547 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73KQOSo086309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KPx6p040300; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KPVvt039858 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so162051nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HQL42zP4UcMCbSpvCyJYM+Fgu6LwhIUuWTO52QeuteglPSgUQ1vbgOUqWwg2kBgqH8GLaiwJP4h4oLznI7GB8D8LL83w/MjW9tqIgtbtlI+GCd+7wBoJJCpJiQHatk6uAkc+j6NHC8/deZ2IUoWe7Az1yRxO9rEEWV92Glb63Bk= Received: by 10.37.20.32 with SMTP id x32mr335368nzi; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73KPVvt039858 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed >it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing >wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a >moskito bite. If that's a blood stain, try hydrogen peroxide. (It may be too late if you've washed it alot.) The H2O2 becomes H2O plus a free O molecule, two of which bind with the iron in hemoglobin removing the color from the blood. Aint it great what you learn in Biology class. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 16:37:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73KbVNq028654 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73KatcH087554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KaojU049469; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Kakh4049338 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so163840nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MDMOh0oITPnpGmSZGsI9q8mpjbQwuZ9kgQG/2IDStim+57ct7x7WEHiGkFbf42MufXWbWpXgXzrelRmeInyf17AV2KDJuDtzE1xCGV3hCmlsUKgeYWeUaT5ibTIxA6VIxs8xMnFQgVnHn0Kqh5gg0quy9LgeYAmqqbv41bSvUxM= Received: by 10.36.251.4 with SMTP id y4mr468604nzh; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73Kakh4049338 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Theaterworks seeks volunteers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this sounds like it should be spam or even porn. Apologies. You know where your delete key is. The following came to me, referencing a friend of mind currently working for Theaterworks. Theaterworks, based in Menlo Park California, (www.theatreworks.org) is running the show "Intimate Apparel". They're looking for 1902 corsetted models for the opening nite party. There is no requirement for "chapter & verse" authenticity. This is the theatah, dahlings. The show is about a corsettiere who makes outrageous corsets. That's all the info I have. If you'd care to volunteer or would like more details, contact Shannon at the address below. I've volunteered to show & tell my collection of originals, but, at my age coyly refuse to model. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com I am looking for models to attend our opening night of Intimate Apparel, Saturday, August 27th. The show takes place in 1905 and centers around corsets so I need to find about 10 people who will attend in corsets. On the advice of the nice folks at Dark Garden, I have tried to get a hold of the greater bay area costumers' guild and they have not returned my calls. Heather suggested you might know someone who could point me in the right direction. I would certainly appreciate the help. Shannon McDonnell Director of Marketing & Sales TheatreWorks Phone: (650) 463-7127 Fax: (650) 463-1963 mailto:shannon@theatreworks.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 17:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73LLRvu029215 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73LKbgq092384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73LKGEZ083143; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73LK1ti082786 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shilo@srclink.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.225.181.93]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050803211929.NHDH8255.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <42F1351F.7010002@srclink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:20:31 -0400 From: Sharon Rust-Ryburn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends & handkerchief X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elena, Nice web page. Would you mind posting the top page for your costumes? I feel certain you have done this at some point and I haven't been paying enough attention. Mozilla, at least, doesn't show a link to it - and dropping the rr.html or going to the .org doesn't work either. Thanks. I have a linen cotehardie just a tiny step up from handkerchief linen (some shops would probably market it as handkerchief). It is quite crisp; a very firm weave which doesn't have the elasticity my linen foundation garment has. So far, it is wearing quite well and looks good - the surprising body means that the skirt does not fall limply. I found I had to tweek the pattern because of the difference in elasticity including re-cutting the sleeves on the bias to allow more give. Megh E. >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:31 -0500 >From: "E House" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends >To: "Historical Costume" >Message-ID: <050801c5978e$2bcaac20$0400a8c0@compaqub> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >As a matter of fact, I was just sitting here putting things up for sale, so >if you're curious you can see a dress made out of this stuff: >http://www.formfunction.org/for_sale/rr.html > >-E > > > > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 >From: >Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen >To: >Message-ID: > <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hello, >I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? > >TIA, >Wendi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 18:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73M7hWw029791 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73M6kNM097381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73M6fEa019041; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j73M6d21018912 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82895 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2005 22:06:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jYcO4YydU+egJiW1iPK4UB2dXVLgwiNpljLDM/Q9p/oR3Ox46/d3LHj8pnpiK5aZzv/ooHs4QgiE0v086lFZRPlyfUiXmZLvQEGubVf8TuC0sNcBUWaRNNeRwZkEmu0m6gucMPFdWJ5FvPfEArnsKbzQYVx8JN2cjGosU3RUz98= ; Message-ID: <20050803220633.82893.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:06:33 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps I've just missed your point. Sorry. But the Margaret of Burgundy picture shows a bag with the hair contained beneath it, although bigger than the Gossaert example you gave. Very closely related, so far as I can see. I've seen the portrait in person. It appears to me to show a large, dark, matt fabric bag with a web/lattice of a multi-ply gold cording. The paint of the cord is very badly worn on the top & back of her head, but shows fairly well towards the bottom of the bag. And the shape of the 'headband' parts are very close indeed. Ann in CT --- Hope Greenberg wrote: > Most people trace the hood from the looser early > century arrangement, or just before the turn of > the century as in Margaret of Burgandy's > version: > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/moulins/anne_aus.jpg > > - Hope __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 18:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73MUj3s030085 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:30:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73MU0M4000309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:30:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73MT7qT037065; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxv2.wvu.edu (mxv2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73MSmol036818 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv2.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73MSgiN008049 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:28:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:28:20 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) and she asked: >Is there any directory of college and university historic dress collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware of any >directory? I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! Thanks in advance for your help, Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 19:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73NBCZC030320 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73NAggs004961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73NAeHH067286; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73NAdFM067228 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so182677nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Dg+qD08JSIo9tSW7n3s1FLhXmz/tEQQE+fs/fps5jSVBXzc3xg1rYDL1/IHEE5+4raTjZQUzGKULKKr5H8s/I90CdJ+ymoRKvPrdMlN9MKXqhQhixuAyGGbzb9XNTxmt8xQbUh5c7rXCvk0rstkm3Tg2cBPTBWzRK8JJLswG79A= Received: by 10.37.20.72 with SMTP id x72mr395846nzi; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73NAdFM067228 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Among the treasures I brought back from Italy were scads of books. The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All color! The Galleria della Accademia (Florence) catalog. Home of Michaelangelo's David. The Galleria della Accademia (Venice) catalog. 14th thru 16th Venetian painting primarily with good 14th thru 16th examples from thruout Italy. Amazing Russian icon collection. and my favorite: "Moda a Firenze: Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua influenza" No, she didnt have the flu, but she did have money. I bought 3 copies if this one knowing my friends would scream "dibbs". They did. It's basically QEWU for Eleanor & Florence. Authors are on staff at the Pitti Palace home of Eleanor's burial gown. Text is Italian & English, side by side. The english leaves something to be desired. It can be both amusing and frustrating at times. Doublecheck by reading the Italian, if you can. (I cant, but fake it with French.) It's companion catalog "I Gioileria dei Medici" is lovely if you like 16th c gems & jewels. Italian only. Another catalog, that I didnt pick up, is the one for the exhibit "Maria de'Medici: una principessa fiorentina alla trona de Francia". The exhibit was stupendous. They've pulled things from Italian galleries and from galleries all over the world for this one. Italian only, as I recall. Better check. http://www.polomuseale.firenze.it/english/mostre/ --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 20:11:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j740BMrN030835 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j740An4o010476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j740AmwP002240; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j740Aikn002210 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 936 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 00:43:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:43:29 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56269.162.119.64.110.1123114244.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > and my favorite: > "Moda a Firenze: Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua influenza" > No, she didnt have the flu, but she did have money. I bought 3 copies > if this one knowing my friends would scream "dibbs". They did. It's > basically QEWU for Eleanor & Florence. Authors are on staff at the > Pitti Palace home of Eleanor's burial gown. Text is Italian & > English, side by side. The english leaves something to be desired. It > can be both amusing and frustrating at times. Doublecheck by reading > the Italian, if you can. (I cant, but fake it with French.) I just ordered a copy via mail and it is fabulous!! Well worth the almost $100 that I paid for it. And I wasn't expecting it to be in english, too. That was a bonus. And I am sure that you paid much less than I did so make sure your friends appreciate how much money you saved them ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 21:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j741hkj2031534 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:43:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j741h3lW018707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j741gqPl053592; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j741gZKu053056 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.251.184]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 27166872 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:44:57 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c59895$ba8c67c0$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 113, in=120, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.251.184 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know of a directory, but I do know of some collections: Emily P. Reynolds Costume Collection North Dakota State University Fargo,ND http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/ercc/ The University of Nebraska-Lincoln Textiles, Clothing and Design Department Barbara Trout - Associate Professor, costume collection curator (402) 472-6371 btrout1@unl.edu Goldstein Museum of Design University of Minnesota http://goldstein.che.umn.edu/costume.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Hi, I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) and she asked: >Is there any directory of college and university historic dress collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware of any >directory? I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! Thanks in advance for your help, Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 23:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j743CVwj032309 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j743BlnM025729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743Bj6S098433; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743BfNY098397 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E6D5CFA1 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200818.03636cb0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:11:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images In-Reply-To: <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:06 AM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >I have often wondered, that there must be many portraits at the Louvre >Museum in Paris. Unfortunately i have never been there, but they must have >as many portraits from the period, as the english has. Dont know if there >are any french books arround. Hi Bjarne, I checked the online images from the Louvre, and while some were interesting for French hoods, all the images online are too small to be really usable, mainly because they take their images to include the lovely frames around the portraits as well. Great for seeing the overall image, but not as good when looking for details. Because you mention it, I went looking for one of my books I had overlooked. I own a French book of Jean Clouet's drawings, but my French is very rusty. I hope to scan the images in soon anyway, as there are a couple that would do very nicely. Thank you for your help and suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 23:32:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j743Wi8p032425 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j743VYfu027336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743VWeX007811; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743VTc4007757 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-67-174-79-13.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[67.174.79.13]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005080403312301400rhalke>; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:31:23 +0000 Message-ID: <016f01c598a5$026386f0$6701a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:31:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Contact the textiles department at UT Austin. They have an extensive collection in their basement and in the libraries. Most of it is closed to the public because they are mainly used for Grad studies. I suspect that many larger universities also have such collections. All you need is one that has one to tell you about the others. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections > Hi, > I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) > and she asked: > >>Is there any directory of college and university historic dress > collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home > economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware > of any >>directory? > > I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of > my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and > the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that > was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually > maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. > > Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, > if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Kathy Hoover > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 00:40:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j744ecvt000346 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:40:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j744dqPe035693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744dmp3041020; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744djLP040933 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:39:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:39:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 04:39:40.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[86A2E100:01C598AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. 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Including Laudomia de'Medici? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 01:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7455bQg000603 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74555oR040512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:05:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7454vce054005; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7454ru9053919 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from riah@cox.net) Received: from faeriegirl ([68.224.97.80]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050804050445.MQEW16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@faeriegirl> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:04:45 -0400 From: "Alexis " To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:05:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Career Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7455bQg000603 Status: RO This may sound a bit bizarre, but I really don't know where else to ask this and stand the chance of getting an informed answer. Over the past years I've been thinking of how to incorporate my love of costuming into a career and possibly a degree. I'd really like to finish college, but in doing so I want a degree I can use and feel good about spending an insane amount of money on. I've recently been thinking of getting into restoration. I'm really interested in the restoration/reproduction area of costuming but I don't know where to go from there. Is there a degree for such a thing? Or, more importantly, an actual job field for such a person? If so what category would such a degree or job position be under or titled? I essentially now know what I want to do, yet have zero clue as how to achieve it. I'd appreciate anything anyone has to say on the matter. Thanks for your time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:18:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747Igvd027237 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747I5cA057792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747I3RZ018801; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743Bfb1098392 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9F5CF7F for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200521.0359d150@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:07:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images In-Reply-To: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 AM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko, I'm so glad you are doing this! An image collection of French >hoods has been on the to-do list for a long time. <> Hi Hope, Thanks so much for your links. I will be using most of them on the revised page, and you pointed me to a couple of images others had suggested, but the names were unknown. And the side view from the coin was just wonderful to find. I really appreciate your help on this project. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747K3od027591 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747JaKG057870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747JZZQ019390; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744IEOq030657 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050804041808.NXBA1901.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:08 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.168.22]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050804041807.GPHJ1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:07 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.0]); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:18:17 +1200 Message-ID: <001301c598ab$8a61ec30$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245><003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200818.03636cb0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:14 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Because you mention it, I went looking for one of my books I had > overlooked. I own a French book of Jean Clouet's drawings, but my French is > very rusty. I hope to scan the images in soon anyway, as there are a couple > that would do very nicely. http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/clouet_francois.html bildindex has a few images that are interesting. And I know there is a great french site that has many many many images of his sketches. Jacond, which is also listed there. There are 77 images, many of whuich are depictions of women. Don't forget this page as well: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/nationalities/French.html To find other French artists on the web. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747KBMQ027607 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747JfIC057886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747JfYs019448; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-dav3.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7456lg8054830 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladylibertywon@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by BAY102-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 05:06:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [ladylibertywon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladylibertywon@hotmail.com From: "Lady Liberty" To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:05:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 05:06:42.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DBF9910:01C598B2] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j747KBMQ027607 Status: RO Hello, Bjarne :o ) I beg your forgiveness if you already know this, and I apologize if I make faux pas. I stand in such awe of the work you do, for you to mention the spot from the mosquito bite sparked memory. I realize historical clothing would have had such spots, but... what a shame for your garment to be marred. I always "twitch" when it happens to me lol I know most are aware of the lemon and sun treatment for stains on white, natural fabrics (my Grandmother taught me this one), but there is another treatment I learned of. If you have access to bottled spices, there is something called meat tenderizer which comes in a crystal form (looks similar to salt). It comes seasoned or unseasoned, and I used to get it in the US under the name of Adolph's. I've not found that one in Australia, but have found others, so I assume it is available world-wide. The unseasoned will appear white (I was always afraid the seasoned would stain, though never had it happen). If your garment can be soaked with cold water, or small part thereof, (and you have tested this treatment on a sample of your fabric and found it safe for the fiber and color) you then sprinkle the tenderizer on the spot and slightly work it in... being careful not to abrade your fabric. Let the spot soak for sometime in cold water with another generous sprinkle of the tenderizer atop the stain. Check it periodically, and if it needs to be sprinkled again or allowed to soak longer and the fabric is doing alright with that, let it soak until it appears gone. Rinse and wash as usual. I've been known to dissolve the tenderizer in water and let an entire garment soak for a week, but then it takes a sturdy, color/fabric for that ;o ) I have used this successfully on cottons and synthetics, both white and colored. I believe the reason this works is that it is made with papaya enzymes, which break down protein. Human body fluids are protein based, to my knowledge. If the fabric is of a protein based fiber or is dyed with protein dyes, I'd make absolutely sure to test a sample of the fabric before risking your garment. That said, I leave this treatment to your judgment. An aside: The treasure of my family has been the handing on of the needle arts generation to generation. Through necessity, I learned to rid my pieces of "needle prick marks" ;o ) Humbly, Susie Message: 10 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen (snip) Thanks Kate, I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:22:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747MA8x027788 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747Llxp058011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747Llqx020335; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747Li26020308 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1E0a2w2z5n-0002sk; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going into business: (Long) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:21:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alexis, I am sorry for re-titling this post, but I am hoping that it will make it easier to find in the archives one day. Your questions are ones and several h-costume members in the past have asked these types of questions over the years. Since you didn't say where you were located, I will assume you are in the U.S. I remember when Margo started her pattern business and we discussed it on h-costume in great detail. You might want to check the archives for Margo's messages. Margo if you are still on h-costume can you please tell us what year you were starting your business. Education: Textile conservation is a field generally requires a degree. There are several universities that have a textile program. The programs are in all kinds of departments now, since the Home Economics title disappeared from most school catalogs. Maybe do a search for colleges for textile science, consumer sciences, etc. The schooling for textiles covers chemistry, burn tests, dyes, etc. I believe the state of North Carolina's universities have these types of program because of all the textile mills in the state. The reason you might want a degree in conservation is because of liability. When someone is wanting something conserved, they will want to see proof of your education and experience you have. College is also a good way to get internships in some of the nice conservations labs at museums. If I remember correctly Colonial Williamsburg wants graduate level students for internships in their textile conservation labs. BTW, there is a textile society of America. You might want to write them and ask what you need to have in education to go into textile conservation. I know in Richmond, VA we have a local society. As for the reproduction design business: You can learn a lot by reading h-costume. Several people are in business for themselves. You can also learn more in-depth costume history here than in most university costume history classes. The schools I attended required three semesters of costume history and two semesters of costume research. BUT because of a big cut in the funding of university art schools, the costume history classes are being squeezed into one semester. I have been listening to professors complain about this for a year or so. If you are interested in one certain time period to design for, maybe list members can suggest some good email lists for that specific period. If museums are available in your area with that period of costumes, ask to visit the storage areas to research. Going into business information: If you want to go into business, I do suggest that you take business classes. So many people start out in business and do not realize how much they needed that education until they go belly-up or the IRS is knocking at their door. You can take business classes at a community college, or the Small Business Administration (SBA). Either one is a lot cheaper than going through a university. The SBA will also assign you a business mentor. Even though the mentor may not have the same kind of business you will have, they can teach you rules that all businesses have to play by, examples: filing local, state, and federal taxes, book keeping for these govts., business licensing, business laws, trademarks, copyrights, self-employment taxes, etc. You can also learn from the SBA about networking, marketing strategies and planning, advertising, small business loans, business plans, etc. A business owners' education is an on-going process, even after being in business for several years... laws change, the market changes, new technologies, etc. Many businesses fail because they didn't have a firm understanding or education of how to run a business. The majority of businesses do not pull a profit in the first five years. Profits are re-invested back into the business. Something to look into, if you are planning a home-based business, check with your city or county has your home zoned to do so. My business is run out of my home and is zoned to do so. I know someone else had a home based business for a year. A neighbor reported her for having the business out of her home. Then she had to pay big fines to the county and the govt. shut down her business because her home was in an area that was not zoned for home-based businesses. Always check and don't assume! Another good source to look at are business magazines. My favorite business magazine is Entrepreneur. I have yet to see a fashion/costume business profiled, but I have learned so much from this magazine. Barnes & Noble has a nice selection of business magazines. I would call the SBA and ask what magazines do they suggest for a business. The federal govt. has several free publications about starting a small business. Some things to know about owning your own business: ***You never sleep the first few years. The business is on your mind 24 hours a day, especially a costume business. Every one wears clothes! Even while on vacation, watching TV, a film, etc. you are thinking about costumes. Overall, most business owners on average work 80 hours a week. ***Except if you have an investor lined up, plan to fund your business with your own money. Banks are very leery about making loans to start-up small businesses. ***Keep receipts on everything for the business. Make sure to document on the back of the receipt, the vendor/store name, what the item is for, the date of purchase, and sub-total before taxes. The ink on those receipts CAN fade over time and so can your memory. If you don't have it documented, the IRS will not count it as an expense. ***Be organized with your records and stay consistent over the years of your business. I use Microsoft Excel (spreadsheet) to keep all my business records. If you don't know how to use spreadsheet software, there are lots of classes at community colleges. Our county school system has adult education classes for very cheap prices. One class for is Excel for Small Businesses. I think it cost $60. If you put your records on a computer, have several backups copies, and paper hard copies. ***Hire a professional company to do your taxes. Get several referrals from others business owners in your area. Before hiring someone to do your taxes, have in writing that the tax preparer company will go to IRS meetings if you are audited. I learned this one the hard way. Many moons ago, I owned a home-based child care business. A private accountant did my taxes and verbally promised to go to bat with the IRS if I was audited. Well, I got audited for one year of taxes. The accountant disappeared! That one year audit, turned into a three year business audit, and my business owing $10,000 to the IRS. With my current business, I use a national tax-preparing business. Every year they hand me a contract with their signatures, stating that they will go to all IRS audits and interviews, AND they will pay the difference if there are any mistakes. A very hard lesson learned. BTW, this scary audit was what encouraged me to go back to college and take as many business classes as I could. My college professors told me, you don't have to take the accounting majors classes to be successful in business. But you do need to know enough accounting that if the accountant/bookkeeper is cheating you. I hope this advice helps you with your decision. Best of luck to you! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 08:34:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74CYsjT003968 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74CYAka092300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74CY6bu056873; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74CY31H056858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74CY2OM023090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:34:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid you not. Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > >And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed > >it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing > >wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a > >moskito bite. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:26:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DQPYr004415 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DPnr5096786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DPlI8085487; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j74DPit6085423 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080409253826193 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:25:38 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j74DPa3E015678 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004201c598f8$02ed3aa0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:25:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you get at WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? Or are you talking about the flour sacks that used to be in prints that women in the Great Depression used to make clothing? I would imagine that they are the same material, but don't know for sure. K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack >I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour sack >fabric. > > Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much after > it has been washed? > > Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, not > as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty sure I > looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have to double > check it again. > > Thanks again for everyone's help! > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DgGY0004534 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DfYx1097828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DfVtP093339; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DfJT5093158 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.12d.61c46df0 (4552) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.61c46df0.302374eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Other things that sometimes work on blood stains-- meat tenderizer (the enzyme "eats" blood) the Carbona blood and milk formula Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:45:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DjeuX004552 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74Dirsj098135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DidZM095170; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DiOi3095039 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.7f.6367f37f (4552) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.6367f37f.302375ad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:44:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:32:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! The Costume Society of America's printed guide to costume collections in North America, including collegiate ones, I'm sure, is in press. It is being published by Texas Tech University Press and it should be out by May next year. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74Dp4Lb004596 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DoVi4099093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DoTIC099645; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DoQrl099622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1E0g6u-0006Od-3n; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:12 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:11 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting M Stewart : > > for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid > you not. > Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > I know that this seems counter-intuitive because many dye recipies call for salt to fix the dye -- but soak your item in salt water -- heavy on the salt. I learned this in Home Ec mumblety-mumble years ago and used it for getting out those ugly repetitive blood stains from underwear. Works like a charm -- usually soaking overnight does the trick. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 10:11:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74EBLAG004744 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74EAm46000784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EAkG6012089; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EAgqQ012044 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 01C1747FEDB for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005d01c598fe$4da792b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:10:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen > Bjarne, > Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects > of working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very > easy to work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does > it breathe or is it oppresive? > > Thanks, > Wendi >Hi Wendi, Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 10:24:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74EOR39004878 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74EO1FM001934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EO05U020183; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ENuvp020104 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.251.184]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 27367644 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:43:08 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Career Question Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:24:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c59900$33fa2b50$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 117, in=102, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.251.184 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alexis-- Investigate colleges that have a textiles department. It's not really a conservation degree you want. Look into history of fashion or textile history. Sounds like you need to take some textiles classes, but your degree may actually be in history or art, or even education--whatever you have enough credits for. I think you need to talk to someone helpful in the department you are considering, and preferably in person. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexis Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:05 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Career Question This may sound a bit bizarre, but I really don't know where else to ask this and stand the chance of getting an informed answer. Over the past years I've been thinking of how to incorporate my love of costuming into a career and possibly a degree. I'd really like to finish college, but in doing so I want a degree I can use and feel good about spending an insane amount of money on. I've recently been thinking of getting into restoration. I'm really interested in the restoration/reproduction area of costuming but I don't know where to go from there. Is there a degree for such a thing? Or, more importantly, an actual job field for such a person? If so what category would such a degree or job position be under or titled? I essentially now know what I want to do, yet have zero clue as how to achieve it. I'd appreciate anything anyone has to say on the matter. Thanks for your time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 11:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74FvE0e005889 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74FuR9p017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:56:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Fu3Ac090684; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74FtsJC090522 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.51]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E0i4R-0005e3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:55:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1003/Thu Aug 4 08:43:24 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1003/Thu Aug 4 08:43:24 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I heard many years ago was that your saliva will take out your own blood but not necessarily somebody else's. Is that true? I have in fact removed bloodstains with spit, but it was my blood and my spit.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" Sent: Aug 4, 2005 8:50 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen Quoting M Stewart : > > for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid > you not. > Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 13:40:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74HehP6006887 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74HdvAW029705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HdHlX075966; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HYUK0071955 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so193067wra for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qGE8ZzHFsYmbekAcLD7kq339elaaYkt6P2CuX3P+U16e+p+Jt2sAFHNLctS76izCEd0rL0XsSmj9KvNeaOeb0IQ8htm2Q8k9e/a9pASG4x4ZM0DiDFhhShvGRUdNinSNIYKK/l+NtQmjJAuKuWZkhUfzUugNJrOJzDEgftpyTPw= Received: by 10.54.30.27 with SMTP id d27mr1729421wrd; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74HYUK0071955 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Using meat tenderizer is a good way to get rid of a stain that's been there for a while. The fastest, cheapest and easiest way to get rid of blood immediately - before it stains - is to use your own saliva. If I am sewing and get a blood drop on my work, I grab some thread, chew on it for a few seconds and lift the blood off right away with the wet wad of thread. The blood disappears and doesn't come back. This only works on your own blood; if you stick someone else, you need their saliva. If I'm wearing something and cut myself and don't have any thread, I will use my tongue to wet the blood spot; this too will work, but it looks pretty strange to others. Bjarne, I hope your stain comes out. Lynn On 8/3/05, Lady Liberty wrote: > Hello, Bjarne :o ) > > I beg your forgiveness if you already know this, and I apologize if I make faux pas. > > I stand in such awe of the work you do, for you to mention the spot from the mosquito bite sparked memory. I realize historical clothing would have had such spots, but... what a shame for your garment to be marred. I always "twitch" when it happens to me lol > > I know most are aware of the lemon and sun treatment for stains on white, natural fabrics (my Grandmother taught me this one), but there is another treatment I learned of. If you have access to bottled spices, there is something called meat tenderizer which comes in a crystal form (looks similar to salt). It comes seasoned or unseasoned, and I used to get it in the US under the name of Adolph's. I've not found that one in Australia, but have found others, so I assume it is available world-wide. The unseasoned will appear white (I was always afraid the seasoned would stain, though never had it happen). > > If your garment can be soaked with cold water, or small part thereof, (and you have tested this treatment on a sample of your fabric and found it safe for the fiber and color) you then sprinkle the tenderizer on the spot and slightly work it in... being careful not to abrade your fabric. Let the spot soak for sometime in cold water with another generous sprinkle of the tenderizer atop the stain. Check it periodically, and if it needs to be sprinkled again or allowed to soak longer and the fabric is doing alright with that, let it soak until it appears gone. Rinse and wash as usual. I've been known to dissolve the tenderizer in water and let an entire garment soak for a week, but then it takes a sturdy, color/fabric for that ;o ) I have used this successfully on cottons and synthetics, both white and colored. > > I believe the reason this works is that it is made with papaya enzymes, which break down protein. Human body fluids are protein based, to my knowledge. If the fabric is of a protein based fiber or is dyed with protein dyes, I'd make absolutely sure to test a sample of the fabric before risking your garment. That said, I leave this treatment to your judgment. > > An aside: The treasure of my family has been the handing on of the needle arts generation to generation. Through necessity, I learned to rid my pieces of "needle prick marks" ;o ) > > Humbly, > > Susie > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen > > (snip) > > Thanks Kate, > I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this > hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with > very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. > And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed > it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing > wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a > moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. > We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich > could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen > available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. > However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i > dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 13:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74HlVhq006972 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74Hi8Tu030150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Hi19L079617; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HhmTD079377 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050804174342.PVUR16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! Thanks, Wendi Bjarne wrote: >Hi Wendi, >Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:04:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74I4rIW007106 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74I3iON032000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74I3Vbr095192; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74I3T9e095055 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so302812nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WZG07l3p1eopV6/9e+5ucPGnyI74ZbyPbdHPXPPKovfx2aT3eRmUNBhDlSgFExPjammO7L5WmG+tcwGQIAYp5ZEsgEhPG2QpUcq4V9O5etxMCr4jSDriPoI/ohnsZazFb9cMuYo8ixR5bVwlLSNj9MYVLLGQeeCDT4TiN8zq4cc= Received: by 10.36.158.3 with SMTP id g3mr31316nze; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.2.8 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:03:23 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74I3T9e095055 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/4/05, wendirae@bellsouth.net wrote: > Bjarne, > I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! > Thanks, > Wendi I believe Bjarne's point was that of course it is cool and breathable - it is linen, famed for exactly those properties. I absolutely love handkerchief weight linen - I have one chemise of it, which is my favorite. I found some at a bargain once - the first time I went shopping for linen. I've kicked myself ever since for not buying the whole bolt. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:29:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74ITtwF007304 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74ITP2i034559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ITGmN015135; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IT5ld014959 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 71788262854 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c59922$67f5d8b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:29:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Wendi, Well i hav not used it in such hot weather conditions as you have, here in Scandinavia it is cooler. But i have dansed quite a lot of it in Bath, and have a waistcoat and a coat over it, and a tight stock kravat. It drinkes the sweat nicely, and i still am able to breathe in it! Bjarne From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen > Bjarne, > I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question > properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay > cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too > much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat > and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! > Thanks, > Wendi > > Bjarne wrote: >>Hi Wendi, >>Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:33:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IX5IH007345 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IWXpu034836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IWWDk017669; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IWR5J017556 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKP00IJTN8LTP30@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.40] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.72.165]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen In-reply-to: <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any kind of salt? table, sea, coarse, fine, iodized ?????? And does it matter that the 'stain' has been washed and dried already? Or does it have to be fresh? Katheryne of the many 'stained' items... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" >> I know that this seems counter-intuitive because many dye recipies > call for salt to fix the dye -- but soak your item in salt water -- heavy on the > salt. I learned this in Home Ec mumblety-mumble years ago and used it for > getting out those ugly repetitive blood stains from underwear. Works like a > charm -- usually soaking overnight does the trick. > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:47:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IlHbN007437 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IkPvd036114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IkLq7027608; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IkGxw027509 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050804174046.PNFX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate, It is very similar to the flour sack towels at W-S, but I'm looking for it on a bolt; like you would find regular fabric in a fabric store. Thanks, Wendi Kate wrote: >Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you >get at WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? >Or are you talking about the flour sacks that used to be >in prints that women in the Great Depression used to make >clothing? I would imagine that they are the same >material, but don't know for sure. >K _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74Ils4j007454 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IlI2q036188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IlH37028250; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Il681028108 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DC43C706 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42F262A6.8070207@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:02 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends References: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote: > I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are hard to come by. :- ( > I find that the Joanne's stores vary quite a bit from location to location, as do their customers. I'm fortunate that there are two within driving distance so I can check both for natural fabrics. What sells out in one often ends up at the end of year clearance in the other, just a different neighborhood. So if you can check more than one store, do, because they don't have identical merchandise all the time. Joann's carries linen in the spring. If you hit the end of season clearance you can sometimes get it cheap. They've had linen on clearance now for a month or two, and are doing the last couple of blow-out sales this month to get rid of as much spring and summer fabric as possible to make way for the holiday and fleece stuff. I got some almost gauze weight linen in June in black and tan for something like $2 a yard. This late in the summer I'd be hard pressed to find anything, though. Unfortunately, the last two years embroidered linen has been the thing, and that's mostly what's left on the shelves, if anything. I almost wish they'd go back to electric blue and pink, which can at least be dyed over. Every now and then they do those $1-$3 a yard sales, where they buy a random truckload of bolt ends from god-knows-where. Most of it is awful, but I've found some nice linen and silk in those piles by getting there early on the first day of the sale. I have much better luck buying wool at Hancocks, which just seems to carry a better selection of it to begin with. Check the prices carefully, because they will mix plain solid color $5 wool in with the $15 checkered suit wools with no sign alerting you to such bargains. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IpBcZ007491 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IoXT5036420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IoU1v030596; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IoR8q030457 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so309454nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Sphi4tu8j4KvMuB8z0BzyVZyg6/GVhWBwDoOE1ZzfyyMIuXboh5C1rVY6YYYdRvOTnrXlx2rGVdTR77+9Y5EPOR74SJpfFW0aGMqXjrnCHjsJGI95B5rUCxcpsFNRe7lMiKbPm4IrMTdMTGAk9pBTbE5wP8O8567x4lZeuWH4m0= Received: by 10.37.15.5 with SMTP id s5mr814158nzi; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:21 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74IoR8q030457 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All color! >*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different museum. Is there something else you're thing of? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 15:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74J2cFG007692 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74J1dvi037560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74J1Sdi038559; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74J1EXV038494 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE175EE02E for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:01:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c59926$eaa6bcd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:01:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] blood stains linens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is fresh, and for the salt it is the same. The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 16:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74KIuXH008702 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74KBgTb044322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ImLJN028897; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Ilj8P028530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1E0kkk-0002aD-Ca; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 Message-ID: <20050804134738.e935534nwps0cogo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting purplkat@optonline.net: > Any kind of salt? table, sea, coarse, fine, iodized ?????? We just used plain old table salt. > > And does it matter that the 'stain' has been washed and dried > already? Or does it have to be fresh? Truthfully, I don't remember. I know that it doesn't matter if it's dried; but I don't know if washing makes any difference. I want to say that it doesn't, but ... (as my mother would say) I've slept since then! At any rate, it couldn't hurt. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 18:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74M5mEK010583 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74M4m1C056813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74M4eoZ074185; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav10.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74M4LD8073916 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:04:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:04:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 22:04:14.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[73B36320:01C59940] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>> color! >>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? > > No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois > Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different > museum. I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the Pitti catalog my father in law brought back when he want to Italy (no pic, but the info is there). I even had the room and the inventory number (I put it somewhere *safe* so, of course, now I can't find it). I'll have to ask to see that catalog again next time I see him, and figure out if it's written as being somewhere else. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 18:27:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74MRQPP010801 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74MQvCG058971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74MQaG4090204; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j74MQLKh089926 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41369 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2005 22:26:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mPAJfBmp7/gzvHUZfAlLd1IumQtT/hdQ+1tQeVQ2n1ghir8pl/MCNfALHeM/it0Uy2VC6F33LX81SkLy/4UiPe5HFaUs1opolL9/taNmKNKZ1JexeleTKf7dSXjek8WBUqShHVAi/d9YhpUGtFxQcEPerMyJwz3VlH5LmULpmQo= ; Message-ID: <20050804222615.41367.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:26:14 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508040718.j747Ibri019018@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: need someone to make belt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not from that area, but have you tried The Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild? http://www.gbacg.org/index.htm original message Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:57:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Subject: [h-cost] Need someone to make belt Does anyone know where in the San Francisco area I can get a belt made to go with a vintage buckle? I have a big, heavy 20th-century enameled buckle (probably brass) with a very simple but unusual closure. It's Art Nouveau style but made in the later 20th century, probably an Oriental import. It has a blue suede belt that, aside from being worn, is blue. I almost never wear blue. Anyway, I want to replace the belt with an identical one in some shade of brown that goes with the buckle (which is brass color, dark blue, and red). Anyone know a reliable leatherworker who can do this at a reasonable price? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 19:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74NGnvU011421 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74NFA3B063770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74NEqWd022286; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74NEl3P022202 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A26E7A5AE for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au (b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au [203.100.229.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:42 +1000 Message-ID: <1123197282.42f2a162dc327@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:42 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What I heard many years ago was that your saliva will take out your own blood > but not necessarily somebody else's. It's an old wives' tale built out of coincidence, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:05:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7515a7p012941 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7514kMC073657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7514dSx081573; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7514ao9081547 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7514WHJ015713 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008301c59959$a3386b90$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:03:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Laudomia's listed in my copy of the Pitti's catalog, not shown though. It's an older copy - I bought it about 5 years ago or so. I'm not home so I don't know the publication date. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks >> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >>>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>>> color! >>>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? >> >> No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois >> Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different >> museum. > > I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the > Pitti catalog my father in law brought back when he want to Italy (no pic, > but the info is there). I even had the room and the inventory number (I > put it somewhere *safe* so, of course, now I can't find it). I'll have to > ask to see that catalog again next time I see him, and figure out if it's > written as being somewhere else. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j751OREw013151 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j751O6Xd074816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751O1p5090225; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751Nw0L090204 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 766973031 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c5995c$6302b550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It is very similar to the flour sack towels at W-S, but I'm looking for it > on a bolt; like you would find regular fabric in a fabric store. >>Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you >get at >>WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? >Or are you talking >>about the flour sacks that used to be >in prints that women in the Great >>Depression used to make >clothing? I would imagine that they are the same >> >material, but don't know for sure. I would suggest that you check the hand of some authentic flour sacks before substituting. The actual fabric used to make sacks for flour is *very* different from the pieces of white cotton sold as "flour sack towels". The cotton sold as flour sack towels is close to the feel of the original sacks AFTER it had been used and used and used. Towels were often the last of a long line of things made from the fabric. Next stop was the rag bin. The new fabric taken from a freshly emptied sack of flour has a lot more substance to it. Much more firm and dense. Once it had been made into curtains or clothing, then remade a time or two, then handed down a few times, it started feeling much softer and thinner. I'm not well versed in clothing terminology, but new flour sacking feels a lot more like fine, dense canvas or denim than those white towels. Denise landofoz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j751ght4013287 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j751gGrG076054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751gFGq098458; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j751gBq9098421 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 02:15:05 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:15:05 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all.... Strangely enough, today I met a lady who has a company that cleans up crime scenes. Since we were having this discussion on the list, I asked what she thought about getting blood out of things. Before I even finished asking the questions, she said "H2O2" also known as hydrogen peroxide. I asked her about the meat tenderizer and she confirmed that it would also work. So, being that she does this kind of thing for a living.....I'd say these two are verified by an expert. Now whether or not your fabric will handle them is another matter. I say make sure and test a small, inconspicuous area. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 00:13:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j754Dk5b014976 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:13:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j754D2am088180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j754Crw8066753; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j754Bhes066367 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6A83A1F6 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42F2E700.1030705@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:11:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen References: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > Hello all.... > > Strangely enough, today I met a lady who has a company that cleans up > crime scenes. Since we were having this discussion on the list, I asked > what she thought about getting blood out of things. Before I even > finished asking the questions, she said "H2O2" also known as hydrogen > peroxide. I asked her about the meat tenderizer and she confirmed that it > would also work. Hydrogen peroxide and clean water rinses have worked for me. It's also useful for mild bleaching of vegetable-based stains, such as tomato sauce and sometimes mud. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 08:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75CfAbK020342 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:41:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75CeL5d047350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75CeEGY062940; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75CeB61062884 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080508400501787 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:40:05 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j75Ce33E009707 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01c599ba$d2186cb0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran vs sawdust Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sawdust from a bandsaw is much more consistently fine than from a table saw or radial arm saw -- that from a belt sander will be even finer. Try a cabinet making shop or a theatre. Even college maintenance shops. Kate > > My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a fashion > accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, for > anything but the shortest-term use. > > The reason being -- if bran has enough nourishment in it to be fed to > horses, it also has enough nourishment in it to attract bugs. Having a > couple of pincushions riddled with carpet-bettle holes was quite enough to > convince me to use sawdust in the future. > > Crumbled and finely sifted peat moss from the garden store works, too. > -- > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 13:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75HupD2026726 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:56:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75HuAQ7099420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75HsnHU068436; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75HsZdK068210 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:54:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:54:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508050413.j754Cv6w066853@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:54:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 17:54:29.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA588B60:01C599E6] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Hi, >I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is >fresh, and for the salt it is the same. >The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. >I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't want to damage some other threads? So that's out. Have you tried lying it out in the sun for a while? You may not get the level of sun that we get here, but sun bleaching linen is a time honored process. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 14:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75ILD50027053 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75IK8xl003118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75IJw07086184; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75IJni6086076 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f2d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.45]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B1EFE5EE03D for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:19:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c599ea$45effd40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:19:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Mark, Really it does not matter that much with this blod stain. It is on my left breastpart, and a gentleman is never to be seen only in a shirt. So i always have the waistcoat and jacket on. Nobody will ever know, except you whom i told you this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens > >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Hi, >>I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is >>fresh, and for the salt it is the same. >>The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. >>I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. > > I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't > want to damage some other threads? So that's out. Have you tried lying > it out in the sun for a while? You may not get the level of sun that we > get here, but sun bleaching linen is a time honored process. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:38:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mca90031216 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:38:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MbsoQ041649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MbkbO061460; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j756nBJl030086 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so386175nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ts+AE+n0kIVS//aWMq5364XWqO4CFPpaT2UOr50s0czmjiMpsYgizPFoLsY5TeBTHQJVdWrqHZgfBazU4E7GjGoaNHV+rTzqLhzqbYkIpajJcr4mk64xXfXYNydyeL+XB9Evl3vp69Ol9r6ju3n+QA6umSw7BYdlfR6O0DjQyW8= Received: by 10.37.15.80 with SMTP id s80mr723766nzi; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j756nBJl030086 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>>> color! >>>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? > >> ..., the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois >> Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different >> museum. >I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the >Pitti catalog my father in law brought back .... Perhaps it was on loan to the Pitti? That reminds me, tho'. Buoncastilo in Trento (lovely castle, just restored) had a full length, life-size painting that they called Laudonia de'Medici. My photos didnt come out (I had to shoot from out of the room cuz the museum guards were too unfriendly for my secret powers to charm. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mg4KK031249 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MfWqC042103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MfVVH063884; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75CZh7T061101 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080508353801768 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:35:38 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j75CZZ3E009558 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006801c599ba$32b310d0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <008b01c5995c$6302b550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Makes sense that it would be a stronger, firmer feel. I can't image those towels holding much flour. Kate > The new fabric taken from a freshly emptied sack of flour has a lot more > substance to it. Much more firm and dense. Once it had been made into > curtains or clothing, then remade a time or two, then handed down a few > times, it started feeling much softer and thinner. > > I'm not well versed in clothing terminology, but new flour sacking feels a > lot more like fine, dense canvas or denim than those white towels. > > Denise > landofoz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mo6Ri031613 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MngBN042968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MnfmU068629; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75JT2rS033441 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881AFBE8E6 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:28:57 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75N1XIA032579 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N11ST043966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N10Pk075074; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N0tVF075001 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.0-00) with SMTP id bafe3f24.1610574768.98967.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:59:01 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:59:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F71F@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bran vs sawdust Thread-Index: AcWaEAD8ZQzj6no8RkedkDzEQ4pergAAPCWg From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 22:59:02.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[459102A0:01C59A11] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005070601)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j75N0tVF075001 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Bran vs sawdust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a > fashion accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, > for anything but the shortest-term use. I've found that I much prefer the sand used by chinchilla owners for their pets to bath in. It can be found at larger pet stores, and has the advantage of keeping the pointy bits nice and sharp, not to mention that it never breaks down. One caveat - do NOT get it in your eyes! Kate McClure Speaking from gritty experience _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75N3b77032674 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N34D4044209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N34Zi076352; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75N2xrw076309 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-29297); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:02:30 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:02:20 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050805155928.030f81e0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:00:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> References: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very sweet! =D> Joan At 12:28 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. >Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have >a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ >So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute >costume for her. >http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg >http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75NAako000358 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N9X8o044767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N9WMR079883; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75N9Rj4079768 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25202 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2005 23:09:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=htNNZps61ekBwtvmaMFaC3EeXEgLl36yFaldEOPJ8VJslVyg/on0e96QxW5Wd56nufavnwzzVVBwcQMHg1QhSd8TFgOpdeBDaD+VG/hWXJOboqdVkAsiB3MSZU4iBryD7Bl0JQ4eSeRPtdFDkqp8fer1r03eZXnHAbwcT4/jUnY= ; Message-ID: <20050805230922.25200.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.104.98] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:09:22 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO THAT is to darned cute! My 6 yr. old now want her sheep backpack dressed up too :0 Thanks for the idea Chris G. Deredere Galbraith wrote: Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 21:14:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j761ESdh001801 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j761CneD055503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j761CiX7036287; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j761CdKg036196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j762bl8U013947 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:37:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:12:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508052112.28949.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 05 August 2005 3:28 pm, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. > Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a > medieval dress!!!!! :-[ > So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume > for her. > http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg > http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg That's....incredible! Or incredibly cute (take your pick). Thanks for sharing! -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 22:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j762fTZ4002461 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j762eVU4063469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j762eN7C073175; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j762eJoA073107 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1707 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 02:40:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AN2QEX+Q5tvoIZMEuddDFzWAtCW0ddru6/56lFCQhx27NRKgTRXbW1Fe06zsm/8Mpb3e3GBLq+2kNuKverHV4F9AVw072kXT8O11wUZDX126CwzhQjJG1Glwz41p1/91WU3iLwuIimjfubX5ROdi0QsE9abgJPFM+i7KIgyR2Vo= ; Message-ID: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:40:14 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had mentioned earlier that we are having a Medieval themed wedding next June. I think I have my dress narrowed down. In the 'Medieval Costume of England and France' by Mary Houston she includes four line drawings taken from "The Lady and The Unicorn" tapestries. I really like them. I also found a reproduction tapestry company that has all six. I'm assuming that their estimated age - created sometime between 1490 and 1511 - is correct. http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/lady-with-the-unicorn.html I can't decide between using 'sense of hearing' and 'sense of touch' as a template, but I'm leaning towards sense of hearing. Anyway, my questions are... 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) 2. What sort of ornamentation/embellishments were typical of that time? The pictures vary in their clarity, but it definitely looks like the neckline, cuffs, and trim of the surcotte are adorned with 'ouches' or something of the sort. Was embroidery used at all for embellishing clothing yet? 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? 4. Would these be considered French fashion of the time? And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. Annette M --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 00:17:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j764HX0Y003337 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j764GSv8070873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j764GP9g010281; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j764GMhl010251 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E1G6f-0000Pi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050805230858.03348ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:15:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200508052248.j75Mm59Y067705@net.indra.com> References: <200508052248.j75Mm59Y067705@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: spot on linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here in the U.S., at least, you can get something called a "bleach pen". It is a gel form of bleach (so it doesn't run, and only minimally soaks in) in an applicator similar to a felt tip pen without the felt (tiny hole in tip). It is designed for applying to tiny spots on white areas where you wouldn't want to bleach the whole thing. I use it on my modern white tops that have lots of colored embroidery - I'm always spilling something on them. You can then put the treated item in regular wash - the tiny amount of bleach doesn't affect other things. You might be able to experiment with mixing a drop of bleach with a drop of liquid soap or something else thick, and applying with a toothpick or similar. Test first, obviously. (side comment - fiber artists have begun using these pens to get intricate designs in discharge dyeing.) Sandy At 05:48 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >From: "Marc Carlson" >Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens > > >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >Hi, I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is > >fresh, and for the salt it is the same. > >The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. > >I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. > >I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't >want to damage some other threads? So that's out. > >Marc "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 01:14:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j765Erdg004367 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:14:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j765EJhT074772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765EHdR033438; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.177] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765EEeh033419 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27063C2F2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D04AD439 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This not my period of interest,but my best guess is that it is her hair wrapped in ribbon. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 01:32:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j765WaEJ004776 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:32:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j765Vu2R075876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765Vs06039470; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765VnrO039431 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07143 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. In-Reply-To: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn tapestries > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the > fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a number of elements that I've seen only in allegorical or fantasy figures in art of this period; she is essentially being represented as a goddess or otherwise other-worldly figure. The Lady's maid is dressed closer to reality in most part, though with some elements that are probably still fantasy. The headdresses in particular are not trustworthy, though there are some recongizably fashionable elements about some of them. Also, I would not take literally the heavy jeweled borders (particularly jewels on the hem), and I'm a little leery of the placement of the overdress slits. In some cases the layering is nonsensical if you compare what's visible at hem, sleeves, and neckline -- that is, to make certain of the ensembles work, you have to fake layers, which technically might have been done but most likely represents a fantasy representation (more like stage costume) rather than a reflection of actual practice. You can certainly come up with some lovely dresses based on the tapestry figures -- I've done it myself -- but it would probably take you a very long time of research (and much comparison with other Franco-Flemish art of this period) to get a sense of which elements are likely based in period practice and which ones the period viewer would have recognized as fanciful or allegorical. If you want to produce something documentably accurate as real-people wear, don't start here. If you want to produce something that embodies the period ideal of beauty and luxury, then this is a good model. > And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these > tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. By Tracy Chevalier, the same author who wrote "Girl with a Pearl Earring," which in my mind was better. For "The Lady With the Unicorn," Chevalier obviously did a lot of research into the tapestry-weaving industry, but it's clear that she doesn't have a thorough understanding of costume; her fleeting references to the characters' clothing are vague (possibly deliberately, to avoid making errors, though she still makes a few), and she completely overlooks the highly significant clothing of the figures in the tapestries, though she does dwell on the symbolic and realistic elements of the other items in the tapestries. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 17:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76LA8Pt030284 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76L8bLA053400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76L8Sd3001942; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76L8EJV001826 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j76L8A4G027428 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:59:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elj019508@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress who cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the belgian versions seen on this site, but there are fine books available of the French tapestries. That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. If I were making this (and there's one version on the French tapestries that I think is charming, bizarre though it is), I would use false hair the same color as my own. To me, it looks like false hair wrapped with ribbons and sort of draped around the had or headcovering or whatever you call it. There doesn't seem to be any attempt to make it look like her real hair -- there's no where for it to have come from! I made a sort of hat inspired by a different fantasy medieval artwork. I don't remember the original (gasp!) but it looked just like a long, long hank of fake hair wrapped with ribbons and tied around the head like a ribbon, with the two long ends making a big tail. So that's what I did. It looked just like the original, but I used really cheap hair and it drove me nuts. Little pieces kept getting out, they were like spun plastic and stuck everywhere. So if you do use hair, spend a few bucks on it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 18:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76MIGOs030959 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76MHQ39058151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MHNqw028332; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MHLDc028279 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc76.asp.att.net[204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080622171601300cielne>; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:17:16 +0000 Received: from [67.183.232.182] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:17:15 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:17:15 +0000 Message-Id: <080620052217.16528.42F536EB0007EC600000409022064244130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personally, I find this material the best to wear in hot muggy weather. I have several yards of it to make 'modern full length and half slips. I don't know if the cotton slips are showinf up other plcwa, but here in Everett, WA the Target store has been carrying cotton slips foe a while and I love them. But I think linen would be better. I also love the feel of the linen on my skin... But, as I menrioned, it's just my personal preference. Elena (not the other Elena with a web page) -------------- Original message -------------- > Bjarne, > Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects of > working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very easy to > work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does it breathe or > is it oppresive? > > Thanks, > Wendi > Bjarne wrote: > > >Hi Wendi, > >I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i >have imported the most > expensive and lovely handkerchief >linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century > gentlemans >shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, >irons well, > washes well, and alas very very expensive. >Also my stock cravat is made of this > material. > > > >Let me know what this pros and cons are. > > > >Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 18:40:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76Mep5D031122 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76MeDvI059846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MeAZG037093; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76Me7Zi037065 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14573 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:01:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:01:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress > who cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the > belgian versions seen on this site, but there are fine books available > of the French tapestries. In particular, the Cluny Museum sells a catalog about them, with large fold-out color images and lots of close-ups. It comes in an English version, too. My copy is La Dame a la Licorne, by Alain Erlande-Brandenburg (Paris: Editions de la Reunion des Musees Nationaux, 1979), ISBN 2711801187. I have used mine so much that the binding is in pieces. > That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. If I were making this (and > there's one version on the French tapestries that I think is charming, > bizarre though it is), I would use false hair the same color as my > own. To me, it looks like false hair wrapped with ribbons and sort of > draped around the had or headcovering or whatever you call it. There > doesn't seem to be any attempt to make it look like her real hair -- > there's no where for it to have come from! I've made it work both on me (with my own hair) and on a friend (with a long blonde wig). Separate the hair into two halves down the back. Cross the two tails, and wrap each with ribbon while pulling it around and up the opposite sides of the head. Where they meet, use the ribbon to tie them together and then wrap them into a single tassel. If you do this over a draped velvet headdress such as is shown, you can make it sit so that it sticks up and the loose ends of hair at the top spout like a fountain -- really bizarre but just like the picture. This was part of the show-and-tell for a dress and textiles session that covered pavilions and the Unicorn Tapestry costumes, at the Medieval Congress in 1990. To drum up a little interest, we set up a tableau display on the theme of the tapestries, though by no means an exact reproduction of any of them. My research partner Verna Rutz brought the red-and-gold pavilion she made, which is quite similar to the one in the final tapestry, and I made the costumes for the Lady (played by Emilysue Pinnell, now Reichardt) and her maid (me). The Lady's costume was mostly based on the one in A Mon Seul Desire (the pavilion tapestry) with the headdress from Hearing and the neckline from Smell, and the Maid's was mostly like the one in the Smell tapestry. Emilysue played her vielle, and she and Verna also brought two enormous stuffed toys -- a unicorn and a lion -- to add to the atmosphere. It was amusing ;-) Emilysue, I believe, still has the Lady's costume, and I still have the Maid's, which would serve quite well as a reasonable fashionable dress, though I suspect it would be rather tight on me now. I'm still pleased with the cuts, but I had to make some concessions in fabrics to achieve the "look." I used drapery brocades and moires (which were probably mostly rayons and acetates), and recycled a velvet bedspread (probably cotton, but it had a nice uniform texture and no crushing problem). They all looked exactly right and behaved surprisingly well, and I frankly don't think I could find silk in those patterns and textures anyway, so it was probably as close as I could get short of having the fabrics made specially. I did use a lot of glass jewels and brass studs instead of real jewels and gold, of course, but then the quantity of gold and jewels on the Lady's dresses probably wasn't realistic anyway (which was the point of the paper). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 19:12:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76NC7FA031352 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76NB3oj062028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76NB1Fs048432; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j76NAwlr048377 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44162 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 23:10:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TenZJpIFFtX+x1JsOxEjoibMVm4U8lfY1XzknDcLkODizgxDQvG2NghIml12UGA1M7YX/2jrxJcSdDc3vUZuJCXesbEMx9z1amNJ2ZK2euIEkfpVaaThgdX/729qv1XI/Hfqqz7zHaOY9qdXZcr2R8GVQ1LkoqsDTJXSKCcPDJU= ; Message-ID: <20050806231052.44160.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:10:52 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elk019508@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Robin, That's why I asked. :- ) All that ornamentation seemed excessive. (and more than I wanted to deal with too!) I love research, so hopefully my enthusiasm won't run out before I find the answers I need. I did by chance happen to find a little thing about headdresses late last night that had just one example that was very similar and was referenced as German. Appeared to be a rondelle? with a brooch or cabochon and plume at the front with a veil in back. Not the same, but similar. >>From: Kahlara Subject: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. I had mentioned earlier that we are having a Medieval themed wedding next June. I think I have my dress narrowed down. In the 'Medieval Costume of England and France' by Mary Houston she includes four line drawings taken from "The Lady and The Unicorn" tapestries. I really like them. I also found a reproduction tapestry company that has all six. I'm assuming that their estimated age - created sometime between 1490 and 1511 - is correct. http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/lady-with-the-unicorn.html I can't decide between using 'sense of hearing' and 'sense of touch' as a template, but I'm leaning towards sense of hearing. Anyway, my questions are... 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) 2. What sort of ornamentation/embellishments were typical of that time? The pictures vary in their clarity, but it definitely looks like the neckline, cuffs, and trim of the surcotte are adorned with 'ouches' or something of the sort. Was embroidery used at all for embellishing clothing yet? 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? 4. Would these be considered French fashion of the time? And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn tapestries > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the > fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a number of elements that I've seen only in allegorical or fantasy figures in art of this period; she is essentially being represented as a goddess or otherwise other-worldly figure. The Lady's maid is dressed closer to reality in most part, though with some elements that are probably still fantasy. The headdresses in particular are not trustworthy, though there are some recongizably fashionable elements about some of them. Also, I would not take literally the heavy jeweled borders (particularly jewels on the hem), and I'm a little leery of the placement of the overdress slits. In some cases the layering is nonsensical if you compare what's visible at hem, sleeves, and neckline -- that is, to make certain of the ensembles work, you have to fake layers, which technically might have been done but most likely represents a fantasy representation (more like stage costume) rather than a reflection of actual practice. You can certainly come up with some lovely dresses based on the tapestry figures -- I've done it myself -- but it would probably take you a very long time of research (and much comparison with other Franco-Flemish art of this period) to get a sense of which elements are likely based in period practice and which ones the period viewer would have recognized as fanciful or allegorical. If you want to produce something documentably accurate as real-people wear, don't start here. If you want to produce something that embodies the period ideal of beauty and luxury, then this is a good model. > And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these > tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. By Tracy Chevalier, the same author who wrote "Girl with a Pearl Earring," which in my mind was better. For "The Lady With the Unicorn," Chevalier obviously did a lot of research into the tapestry-weaving industry, but it's clear that she doesn't have a thorough understanding of costume; her fleeting references to the characters' clothing are vague (possibly deliberately, to avoid making errors, though she still makes a few), and she completely overlooks the highly significant clothing of the figures in the tapestries, though she does dwell on the symbolic and realistic elements of the other items in the tapestries. --Robin ***************************************** --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 19:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76NDs87031372 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76NCxTV062157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76NCxLu049027; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.102]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j76NCtYi048986 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81595 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 23:12:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gCM52f3IAmDboIk+hxs82+o5COR5lSvEdOa2wn67i4kC3nVcMUw2ADta6OWPhXPij+5tGmrpFYz+wCYOAxXoqjHgEwTB23SsUwLUNhOeDojXCjLIU5Y4nWmPcnrV1ttW8A9U9Nt3m+RhSdgAhrjrA7FRw6tKC1TrU2GOSjuhsGE= ; Message-ID: <20050806231250.81593.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:12:50 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elk019508@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly ot costume fun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is so cute! From: Deredere Galbraith Subject: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 21:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77152Z1032709 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77144re071842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7713uAw090592; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7713rA4090553 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from argenthal@comcast.net) Received: from COMPUTER (pcp09142381pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net[69.142.192.249]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005080701034801400qeugle>; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c59aeb$dc23c150$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> From: "Valerie Frank" To: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:03:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Bloodstain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j77152Z1032709 Status: RO Have you tried Hydrogen Peroxide--the same kind you use for antiseptic and hair bleaching? A nurse at an emergency room reccomended it after my Mom took a fall. Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 22:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j772AfsH000654 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7729EPH076459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77297xn015279; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77294sk015249 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A51051726; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050806185721.0371a0f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:08:54 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com, GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French Hood images revised X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all again, I've injured my shoulder & back doing many scans and enlargements so I had to take a couple of days away from the computer. But I've been a busy bee updating the French hood image page for all the images people have sent me links of. I thank them all (and they are noted on the pages). They now range in time from pre 1500s to the 1570s (so far). With the many images coming in, and more still to scan, I've moved everything to its own research section. Old pages will refresh to the new pages. But here is the new url. Renaissance Research: French Hood Images http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood Please, keep those images coming. I have learned so much from seeing these various images, it's really opened my eyes. I hope this helps others with their research as well. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 22:44:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j772iiex000973 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j772iKBg082194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j772iJqq029720; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j772iFQX029680 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.8.6dec6fc3 (3699) for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <8.6dec6fc3.3026cf76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:06 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion plates website 1870's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/23/2005 1:00:41 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: At 08:49 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >It might be this >http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html > >For ealier plates I have several sites marked on my links page. > >Suzi > >www.suziclarke.co.uk Oooooohhh, thanks for sharing that link. I've been wanting to do an 1870s bustle gown, but haven't done the research for it yet. I have definitely bookmarked that site for later. Kimiko Have you tried the Truly Victorian website for patterns from 1830-1900? They are thoroughly researched and well made patterns and the owner/designers - Heather and Laura MacNaughton -- have often taught at Costume College in Van Nuys. It it well worth a look if you are even thinking of doing anything in early bustle, natural form or late bustle period. Plus the pictures of what others have made from their patterns are to die for! Good luck. Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 01:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j775fogk002985 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:41:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j775eGig092251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j775e7pL088464; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j775e4Ih088455 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E1dtD2Z9l-0000tn; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 01:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c59b12$768fcf60$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c59aeb$dc23c150$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bloodstain Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:40:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am coming in late on this one. Is the blood stain more than 24 days old? For 24 hours or less, I use cold water and dove soap and scrub with an old toothbrush. Its always worked. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 05:57:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j779vGKQ018936 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 05:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j779tJaT015099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j779t5Of071068; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j779sxwL071032 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E9342395; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb22.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.14827; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C9dpzk9demwIAAAAE,9d4166c7736c2fd85d9133d78fa273b0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: TheCostumersManifesto , The Renaissance Tailor , Reconstructing History , Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050807025459.85142F8E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, to everyone on the lists, Please forgive if you receive this message more than once - I've sent it to a few lists. My plea is this: I am interested in bidding for a couple of items on eBay, but the seller doesn't ship/post outside of the US. ( I asked. ) However, the seller is happy to send the parcel to someone in the US, to be forwarded to me in Australia. Would anyone be willing to do this for me? I will pay all further costs for postage/shipping from the US to Australia, by whatever means is most convenient for whoever does this favour for me ( if anyone does ). I don't like to ask this, but my friend in the US, of whom I asked this favour originally, hasn't replied, and I don't know anyone else in the US, apart from all the people in these lists. It's not a matter of life or death, just an 'it would be nice if I could do this'. Thank-you all for your patience. Yours in hope? Joannah. Now back to topic ....... ;-) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 08:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77CXh3O021152 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77CW49l039186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77CW0bQ023732; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77CVtme023655 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050807123149.UHGN1498.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:49 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.168.22]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050807123148.MVON5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:48 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.2]); Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:31:51 +1200 Message-ID: <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:46 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle myself: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm I found ythe style in a few other examples of allegory (one a supposedly English illumination, one German woodcut and another set of tapestries.) Woops, I see I never did pop in the note about the figure of Clotho which is from a tapestry from the Met Museum... and now I remember why I wanted to recyle my Eowyn costume...;) I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over my face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at the end and then pinned to the top of my head. > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? I would tend to say the designers used what they saw around them in fanciful ways. Take the buttons on the sides of the skirt of the maid in "smell." I haven't seen buttons at the sides anywhere else and when I saw buttons in a few other tapestries I began to think they were placed there purely by imagination. But i have since seen a portrait of a donor with a gown that buttons up the front from the 1490s. So while I wouldn't dismiss all elements as pure fancy, I would hunt to see if I had seen them used in depicting real people, and how they were used in that setting. The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries (in case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a few images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail that wasn't in the original. http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked at is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. I now have a real appreciation of the lady in the tapestry depicting Taste. I now feel the need to make her entire ensemble for a masquerade..... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 08:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77Clq2j021592 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:47:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77ClJoE040012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77ClImF029115; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j77ClBu8029040 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6102 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 12:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 12:47:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050807133721.020350a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:45:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. In-Reply-To: <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:31 07/08/2005, you wrote: > > 1. What on earth is on her head? >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything >like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn >tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense >of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) > >She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle >myself: >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm > > >snip > >I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over my >face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) > >My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) >loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then >crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at >the end and then pinned to the top of my head. > > >snip> > >The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries (in >case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a few >images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. > >http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 > >The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail that >wasn't in the original. > >http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html >Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to >find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked at >is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. The "maid" in the final tapestry "A Mon Seul Desire" shows the hair very clearly being wrapped around the head and twisted up into a tuft. You can see this by going to the Tracey Chevalier site as recommended by Michaela and clicking on the close up feature. The Musee de Cluny used to sell postcards - I've not been for a few years, but they probably still do, and may sell posters too - I have been lazy and not bothered to check today. I spent a day in Paris at the Palais Galliera looking at an 18th century costume exhibition, (I made some underthings for a mantua loaned by the Museum of London,) and never got as far as the Cluny! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 10:03:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77E3suw022565 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77E2vZN046060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77E2kKA056267; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77E2ijY056231 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D6B40500; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42f2f72b.1d25e; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C9hSDwkijzAIAAAAE,bb01ff2ba8f4d381dec2eb4ff8e4ed68 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: The Renaissance Tailor , TheCostumersManifesto , Reconstructing History , Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050807070243.851428B0@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank-you! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear all, I just wanted to let you know that a very kind person from one of these lists is going to be helping me out with my shipping quandary. Thank-you, everyone, there are the nicest people on these lists. :-D Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 10:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77EuwPs023820 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77EuI7u048690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77EuHUk075489; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77EuDwF075463 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.216]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 285D947FED3 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005501c59b60$2a1f30a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20050807133721.020350a0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi, That hairdo with the twisted up to a tuft thingy was made by the Akademy of Historical Hairstyles, i used to make costumes for. Got pictures of it somewhere......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. > At 13:31 07/08/2005, you wrote: >> > 1. What on earth is on her head? >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything >>like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn >>tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense >>of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) >> >>She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle >>myself: >>http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm >> >> >snip >> >>I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over >>my >>face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) >> >>My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) >>loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then >>crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at >>the end and then pinned to the top of my head. >> >> >>snip> >> >>The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries >>(in >>case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a >>few >>images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. >> >>http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 >> >>The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail >>that >>wasn't in the original. >> >>http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html >>Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to >>find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked >>at >>is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. > > > The "maid" in the final tapestry "A Mon Seul Desire" shows the hair very > clearly being wrapped around the head and twisted up into a tuft. You can > see this by going to the Tracey Chevalier site as recommended by Michaela > and clicking on the close up feature. > > The Musee de Cluny used to sell postcards - I've not been for a few years, > but they probably still do, and may sell posters too - I have been lazy > and not bothered to check today. I spent a day in Paris at the Palais > Galliera looking at an 18th century costume exhibition, (I made some > underthings for a mantua loaned by the Museum of London,) and never got as > far as the Cluny! > > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 12:28:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77GS3Cp025422 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77GRMHo053921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77GRH65009804; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f19.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77GREfx009750 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c59b12$768fcf60$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bloodstain Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA3B740:01C59B6C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I am coming in late on this one. Is the blood stain more than 24 days old? >For 24 hours or less, I use cold water and dove soap and scrub with an old >toothbrush. Its always worked. For recent blood stains, that works very well, especially if you add a nice long soak in body temperature water after saturating the fabric with soap. The stain we were talking about was an old one, though :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 14:31:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77IVZco027122 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77IUGTh062403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77IU7hs058517; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77IU6qG058482 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so751420wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:message-id:date:content-type:x-mailer:from:to:subject:x-fid:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority; b=P3MVAUAYIGLSLoSRC0KiZkmUWzecI4XwBqwXLTnR2WgYiU7IPLk5egC+epMuLTuuhrInL2rMch5oIaYiqulYQKYSzye7+xjkmu6y5mB6qsoXyGLgIZMwYQW+bBVA3IxYGSACKyQezj5zkk4CB59Qcz7TZhzOUfmdxdNH0r67TBA= Received: by 10.54.27.46 with SMTP id a46mr4384619wra; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VERN1 ([166.102.108.53]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 44sm7183385wri.2005.08.07.11.30.00; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42F65325.000014.01880@VERN1> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:29:57 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4002014) From: "kristalori" To: "Historical Costume" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quilling X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while back when working on a dress I asked the list about "quilling" no one seemed to be sure what it was. I later found out thanks to an ancient seamstress. However I thought I'd share this example of quilling in a rug: http://www.missmary.com/articles/01/victorian-crafts-braided-rugs.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 15:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77J2qQA027491 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77J2Tiw064328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77J2R8C071304; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77J2Mfi071236 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050807190213.IXSY14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:02:13 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWbNutpHHz0JTq0SB2C0MWt/04BwAAS3Rsg In-Reply-To: <20050807025459.85142F8E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <20050807190213.IXSY14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I wouldn't mind. I am constantly sending stuff to my niece in Switzerland when she wins auctions or orders from US companies. One more package won't matter. Contact me off list and I will give you my address, etc. Anne (who will be at Pennsic Aug. 11 thru 21 but husband will be here to receive mail) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:55 AM To: TheCostumersManifesto; The Renaissance Tailor; Reconstructing History; Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Hello, to everyone on the lists, Please forgive if you receive this message more than once - I've sent it to a few lists. My plea is this: I am interested in bidding for a couple of items on eBay, but the seller doesn't ship/post outside of the US. ( I asked. ) However, the seller is happy to send the parcel to someone in the US, to be forwarded to me in Australia. Would anyone be willing to do this for me? I will pay all further costs for postage/shipping from the US to Australia, by whatever means is most convenient for whoever does this favour for me ( if anyone does ). I don't like to ask this, but my friend in the US, of whom I asked this favour originally, hasn't replied, and I don't know anyone else in the US, apart from all the people in these lists. It's not a matter of life or death, just an 'it would be nice if I could do this'. Thank-you all for your patience. Yours in hope? Joannah. Now back to topic ....... ;-) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 16:15:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77KFUKa028661 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77KDomX070055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KDjXE098999; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KDgPu098943 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 7A43884986; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C5B6846D9 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:13:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.7 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,TRUEMAIL_BODY_23=0.1 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my favourite websites. 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Any ideas, oh great hoarders of fabric? :-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 16:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77Kil9D029004 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:44:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77KiEi2072701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KiCwH011498; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:44:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77Ki8Qn011435 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc75.asp.att.net[204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005080720440301400qf0cee>; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:44:03 +0000 Received: from [67.183.232.182] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:44:02 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quilling Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:44:02 +0000 Message-Id: <080720052044.29838.42F67292000707350000748E22064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Mi Gosh!!! I had no idea that's what I've been doing all these years. I've been doing this kind of loop braiding with the satin, reversible ribbon (no wider than 1/4 inch) to make trim to do on elizabethan or tudor. You see, there are those vaugue and obscure descriptions in the QEWU inventory, and equally fuzzy pictures that I puzzled about over the years. I decided that one of the trims looked like one of the bits of braiding that we did in camp, where we'd braid the loops just like what's in the picture! Thank you for sharing. Elena -------------- Original message -------------- > A while back when working on a dress I asked the list about "quilling" no > one seemed to be sure what it was. I later found out thanks to an ancient > seamstress. However I thought I'd share this example of quilling in a rug: > > http://www.missmary.com/articles/01/victorian-crafts-braided-rugs.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 16:53:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77KrqZZ029186 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:53:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77KrU2K073408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KrUjT015361; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KrRHD015294 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so884956wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:message-id:date:content-type:x-mailer:from:references:to:subject:x-fid:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority; b=GY5ErPWXyLZfj690cYziIQjjjCMbHJZqodl20A64nSVamTl43dhTIG//D+RhJ4UMfHgsjbFxQZAo/og5UbJfw2Rdr0+qT9Pa9OG9EY59oqEXEbVU1bGGnenh64jdZG6Stf4xwaiAmu72lcWxFjDdaO9uoQqk7XYIhnoZsWVDxzA= Received: by 10.54.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr4358942wrd; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VERN1 ([166.102.108.39]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm3089323wrl.2005.08.07.13.53.21; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42F674BF.00001F.01880@VERN1> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:53:19 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4002014) From: "kristalori" References: <080720052044.29838.42F67292000707350000748E22064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quilling X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey no problem. I wanted to show that I wasn't loosing it too badly even if it was a year later. Miss Mary is a favorite site and I was amused to see that little project. -------Original Message------- Oh Mi Gosh!!! I had no idea that's what I've been doing all these years. I ve been doing this kind of loop braiding with the satin, reversible ribbon (no wider than 1/4 inch) to make trim to do on elizabethan or tudor. You see, there are those vaugue and obscure descriptions in the QEWU inventory, and equally fuzzy pictures that I puzzled about over the years. I decided that one of the trims looked like one of the bits of braiding that we did in camp, where we'd braid the loops just like what's in the picture! Thank you for sharing. Elena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 18:57:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77MvWro030832 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77Mudo4082520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77MuY0f063469; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06vip.cox.net [68.1.16.144] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77J5UF9072689 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050807190524.HUJI1903.centrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:05:24 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:07:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWbNutpHHz0JTq0SB2C0MWt/04BwAATDwUA In-Reply-To: <20050807025459.85142F8E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <20050807190524.HUJI1903.centrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please let me know if you got my meassage. Having computer trouble sometimes. ANne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:55 AM To: TheCostumersManifesto; The Renaissance Tailor; Reconstructing History; Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Hello, to everyone on the lists, Please forgive if you receive this message more than once - I've sent it to a few lists. My plea is this: I am interested in bidding for a couple of items on eBay, but the seller doesn't ship/post outside of the US. ( I asked. ) However, the seller is happy to send the parcel to someone in the US, to be forwarded to me in Australia. Would anyone be willing to do this for me? I will pay all further costs for postage/shipping from the US to Australia, by whatever means is most convenient for whoever does this favour for me ( if anyone does ). I don't like to ask this, but my friend in the US, of whom I asked this favour originally, hasn't replied, and I don't know anyone else in the US, apart from all the people in these lists. It's not a matter of life or death, just an 'it would be nice if I could do this'. Thank-you all for your patience. Yours in hope? Joannah. Now back to topic ....... ;-) -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 19:02:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77N2C2W031039 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:02:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77N1oNx082872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77N1nHV065352; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KCfnN098574 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3235319519 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42F66B37.30007@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:12:39 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question about natural form victorian dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a question about this painting http://www.mauritia.de/de/gruender/rosecaron.html Is she wearing an underbust corset? I am wondering because I like the decolletee effect. I love the dress. The shape of the bodice makes me think of the red dress in the movie van Helsing. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 19:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77N6iBp031091 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77N6Kq2083215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77N6JYJ066877; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77KJP9c001583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1E1raq-0008BS-LT for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:18:00 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:18:00 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:18:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:16:31 -0600 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <200508050413.j754Cv6w066853@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9IiIoys3/vvOswH3Rv221zem27U= X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Marc Carlson" writes: > > I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you > don't want to damage some other threads? So that's out. Have you > tried lying it out in the sun for a while? You may not get the level > of sun that we get here, but sun bleaching linen is a time honored > process. I believe that it needs to be wet when laid out in the sun--something about the linen acting as a catalyst for the water to be turned into hydrogen peroxide--but that could just be an old wives' tale. -- Robert Uhl 12 is divisible by both the sum of its digits (making it a Niven number) and the product of its digits. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 19:11:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77NB5dk031172 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77NA2b7083418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77NA0sG068230; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j77LJE2S026434 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 22593 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2005 21:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050807211904.22591.qmail@web81402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.250.199] by web81402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:19:04 PDT X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO has noile for 6.50 a yard, lots of colors. Their shipping was really high though. alex --- Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my > favourite > websites. Ever since I've been looking for a particular on-line silk > supplier for either noile or shot dupioni. All I can recall was the > prices > were ridiculously reasonable, especially at the quantities I was > looking at > purchasing. (30 yards +) > > I've been to Denver, Dharma, G&S, Thai and none of them seem to > be the > company where I'd found wonderful colours of noile for around > $4.00/yd. > > Any ideas, oh great hoarders of fabric? :-) > > Regards > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; > embroidery > supplies, and more. > www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org > 519-799-5577 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 19:14:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77NE3t5031213 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77ND29D083654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77ND2Sa069322; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j77LKFbw026915 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-4455); Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:20:14 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:20:08 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050807141721.030fc010@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:18:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric In-Reply-To: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could this be the site you are thinking of? http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=index.html&cart_id=8461026_23608 Joan At 01:13 PM 8/7/2005, you wrote: > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my > favourite websites. Ever since I've been looking for a particular > on-line silk supplier for either noile or shot dupioni. All I can > recall was the prices were ridiculously reasonable, especially at > the quantities I was looking at purchasing. (30 yards +) > > I've been to Denver, Dharma, G&S, Thai and none of them seem to > be the company where I'd found wonderful colours of noile for around $4.00/yd. > > Any ideas, oh great hoarders of fabric? :-) > >Regards >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry >historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; >embroidery supplies, and more. >www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org >519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 20:30:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j780UjG1032126 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j780UEO0090019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j780UC4p098625; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j780U5UN098549 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 5350 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 00:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.34) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 00:28:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:36:25 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050807141721.030fc010@pop.surewest.net> Message-Id: <73990C70-07A4-11DA-8353-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Inauthentic 18C panniers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've just been reading about making inauthentic panniers for dolls at http://www.simplygracedesigns.com/Pamamom/HC.htm#anchor2 and wondered if this could be applied to adults costumes. What do you think - we could use netting/tulle to help it stick out? Cheers, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 21:26:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j781QO2K032755 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j781Ps65094115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781Po9F018880; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781PkmY018821 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1d9.41fa543e (2519) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.41fa543e.30280e8f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:25:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Bran vs sawdust To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/5/2005 9:01:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com writes: > >My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a > >fashion accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, > > >for anything but the shortest-term use. > > I've found that I much prefer the sand used by chinchilla owners for > their pets to bath in. It can be found at larger pet stores, and has the > advantage of keeping the pointy bits nice and sharp, not to mention that > it never breaks down. One caveat - do NOT get it in your eyes! > Bran still makes better muffins..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 21:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j781o4eh000486 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j781nV9T095540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781nTSY028143; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781nQuS028102 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.77.4b04c258 (2519) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <77.4b04c258.3028141b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:49:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gilbert Stuart, redux X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I posted a post about seeing the Gilbert Stuart exhibit at the National Gallery of Art in DC a little while back. I thought it pertinent because of the exquisite and detailed rendering of transitional fashions at the turn of the 18th century. But I never saw it posted..... I also mentioned a catalogue but couldn't remember if there was one. Well, I went back to see the Winslow Homer show [and the fantastic Van Dykes and El Grecos they have] and in the book store there is indeed a catalogue for the Gilbert Stuart show. I highly recommend it to those interested in 18th AND early 19th century fashions. here's a tease.... you go from this: Catherine Brass Yates (Mrs. Richard Yates) and this: Catherine Yates Pollock (Mrs. George Pollock) to this: Sarah Homes Tappan (Mrs. Benjamin Tappan) and this: Ann Calvert Stuart Robinson (Mrs. William Robinson) and of course there's always this: The Skater (Portrait of William Grant) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 21:56:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j781ucRX000594 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:56:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j781uJnA095913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781uIuF030775; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j781uGjK030727 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.e5.18d36e5e (2519) for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:56:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gilbert Stuart, redux To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooooops.....forgot to post the web addresses! the earlier portraits: Catherine Brass Yates (Mrs. Richard Yates) http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=566+0+none Catherine Yates Pollock (Mrs. George Pollock) http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=1116+0+none The later ones.... Sarah Homes Tappan (Mrs. Benjamin Tappan) http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=52105+0+none Ann Calvert Stuart Robinson (Mrs. William Robinson) http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=1119+0+none and this yummy one: The Skater (Portrait of William Grant) http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pinfo?Object=39456+0+none _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 00:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j784Fsu2002416 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:15:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j784ERof005014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j784EKjt085276; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j784EHwT085241 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC8443BB3 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb26.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.1bba1 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:13:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C9twGKCtIwgIAAAAB,6afa957bd551135edae160107ee69edb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050807211358.8514C2C6@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Anne, I did see your message. Thank-you very much for being willing to help me, but another person had already said they would help. The question is moot now, as I didn't win the auction. :-( Regards, Joannah --- "Anne Moeller" wrote: From: "Anne Moeller" Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:07:23 -0400 To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Please let me know if you got my meassage. Having computer trouble sometimes. ANne _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 09:13:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j78DDTOS008348 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:13:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78DBmCf054672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78DBgFR079689; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j78DBc41079612 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75946 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2005 13:11:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Am/jGLTEizPnlw03eWSbCtPqvJkJDtRrGXDovu3VtlpEmRpQLakivJOeyKBv3oj1lEj80Ux/GWRsGCeSI3k0UC7B7NQhKa0pGg91/xHgm7ochpWbdcp7XCTz0FrwkgqLztHkEwAI7Yphb8dfnk/E2LLnjFEFfqSoXBEeaT1pjXA= ; Message-ID: <20050808131133.75944.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:11:33 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508052248.j75Mm59Z067705@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO THis is MIa in CHarlotte, late as usual. Personally I would try everything., except bleach on linnen. I have had BAD bad experiences with material deteriorating when I used chlorine bleach. It was long enough ago, that I can't remember what exactly the material was, and the situation I used it., but it was enough of a shock that I just don't do it on the reenactment clothing ANY MORE. I use some of the stain products findable in the us. Zout (not the more redily available Shout, it might be a product theat is only availble in the southern US) and Carbona Stain Devils for spot cleaning spot specific types of stains. Carbona, while expensive, has different specific removers for ball point pen, rust, coffee/tea,blood and other strange things. Nothing I've found yet really works in black leather dressing when it bleads from a military neck stock to a while linnen shirtthough... and red North Carolina Mud. When you spend hours looking for a linen that looks like the right thing, and then hours hand stiching it (or well, at least the visible places,) I love to make Men's 18th century shirts, but not enough to be doing it all the time Mia in Charlotte. NC --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 09:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j78DTacS008543 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78DSmdi056600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78DSlsB088245; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78DSf68088176 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30665 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:50:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:50:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains In-Reply-To: <20050808131133.75944.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Mia Dappert wrote: > Personally I would try everything., except bleach on linnen. I have > had BAD bad experiences with material deteriorating when I used > chlorine bleach. It was long enough ago, that I can't remember what > exactly the material was, and the situation I used it., but it was > enough of a shock that I just don't do it on the reenactment clothing > ANY MORE. Bleach will dissolve wool and silk and so is calamitous to use on those fibers. It should be pretty safe on linen. > Nothing I've found yet really works in black leather dressing when it > bleads from a military neck stock to a while linnen shirtthough... and > red North Carolina Mud. No guarantees, but you might try Goop. That stuff gets out printer's ink. It comes in tubs to be used for handwashing as well as laundry. The only things I've dealt with that don't seem to respond to it are the yellowish residue of tomato stains on my printed cotton knit tops, and some longstanding ?grease stains that just won't let go of my t-shirts no matter what I dump on them. :-( But that's not historic costume by any stretch of the imagination. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 11:39:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j78Fd8lN013016 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78FappX069786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78FaTUV071508; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78FaPBQ071413 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 49360A0A51; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:44:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.10.100.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.10.100]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B8EA0A0995 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:44:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <074201c59c2f$275e3ad0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: [h-cost] bleach (was: linnen stains) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:37:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I might have missed recent mention of this, but this conversation reminds me of the 'new' bleach that clorox has been advertising lately. It's supposed to get things whiter, and I was wondering if anyone has tried it yet and seen any difference. I do bleach linen reasonably often (haven't had any problems doing it, though I'd say that in the long term it does sliiiiiiightly weaken the fiber--but it's more like the equivalent of a dozen extra washings, rather than something that'll make the linen go kaput years sooner than it would otherwise). One of the problems I have with bleach is yellowing, which might have something to do with the water; I'm sort of hoping that the new version is meant to eliminate that sort of problem. Sorry if this was already discussed--I only read about half the messages in this discussion. -E House (PS--my bleach tragedy? NEVER bleach a 100 year old cotton petticoat, no matter how strong the fabric seems to be!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 12:19:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j78GJpVP015759 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78GJAxc074896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78GHHxD002586; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78GH9cl002481 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id AA45B84998; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 13AFD84962 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801c59c34$9d841a40$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: <200508081311.j78DBiIU079723@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:16:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.7 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,TRUEMAIL_BODY_23=0.1 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: on-line silk fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the leads to Sewing Central and Too Many Camels. Neither were the supplier I remembered, but both good leads. I've bookmarked them for when I finally order the fabric for our master suite (7 windows, duvet cover, bed hangings), which is under renovation at the moment. I think I may have to make a matching robe and gown so I will go with the decor. ;-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 17:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j78Ljp6o025637 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:45:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78LiV0m017531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78LiN6K049706; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51308.mail.yahoo.com (web51308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j78LiHXX049570 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71043 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2005 21:44:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6W7UMABXbqvVtq5iVGIBgz5x7ApcD1CdpQ+SaYp4+phxDapj2bqum8yyu/i7NNo5xcAKIAGkIRjBw4DyZQYeKEgQMqWPaEQwYB5jlWJsUQStiKTTZymUn1KLg5N/LJPH7DfAFArVngaU3Bgn780/KWxR5r9klm+QMTjVbGQTyV4= ; Message-ID: <20050808214412.71041.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:44:12 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about natural form victorian dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F66B37.30007@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Her corsets come up to corsetted nipple level, as was usual. The decolletée looks much deeper than it is because of the V-neckline plunging from her square shoulders just about to her corsets. At least, that's what I see. Ann in CT --- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I have a question about this painting > http://www.mauritia.de/de/gruender/rosecaron.html > > Is she wearing an underbust corset? > I am wondering because I like the decolletee effect. > > I love the dress. > > Deredere __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 20:41:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j790fNEv027432 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:41:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j790eSWq033607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j790eObA053799; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j790eIbQ053708 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22074 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2005 00:40:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K/zrbigGw5ae0kHtX0SCSE/4MG0x83Dj53arh3tDrHfeIj79Z2HTN+XDAW28QK/PvlflJDZnbl60+BIx6/p/lgkILzzUfWG9gEf9HJV/zGrMX+Kiv0z7ThjOp+mKOmCqGUi3n6RG2dxQAnBpFfBQ1OhnY8UyrDeuYRwte3vME1M= ; Message-ID: <20050809004005.22072.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:40:04 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508071248.j77ClXwa029202@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1009/Mon Aug 8 15:16:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1009/Mon Aug 8 15:16:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 508 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Thank you all for the great responses! > That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. The "hair style" is very clear now - and a little odd. (but I might add, the recent trend of hairstyles that are in a similar vein - i.e. a twist in a large clip with the ends fanned up instead of tucked under - aren't so new after all are they?) >The "maid" in the final tapestry "A Mon Seul Desire" shows the hair >very clearly being wrapped around the head and twisted up into a >tuft. You can see this by going to the Tracey Chevalier site as >recommended by Michaela and clicking on the close up feature. Thank you for all the links, and I agree that the images on the Tracey Chevalier site are the clearest. The reproduction site was one of the first ones I came across that actually gave bigger images. >Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress who >cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the belgian versions >seen on this site, but there are fine books available of the French >tapestries. I am sort of feeling the same way, but I am torn between wanting something I can use later for SCA events, and having something as a keepsake. However - the practical side of me is saying why spend all that time, energy and money on something I am only going to wear once? Why not wear it again? Annette M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:59:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke Subject: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress who cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the belgian versions seen on this site, but there are fine books available of the French tapestries. That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. If I were making this (and there's one version on the French tapestries that I think is charming, bizarre though it is), I would use false hair the same color as my own. To me, it looks like false hair wrapped with ribbons and sort of draped around the had or headcovering or whatever you call it. There doesn't seem to be any attempt to make it look like her real hair -- there's no where for it to have come from! I made a sort of hat inspired by a different fantasy medieval artwork. I don't remember the original (gasp!) but it looked just like a long, long hank of fake hair wrapped with ribbons and tied around the head like a ribbon, with the two long ends making a big tail. So that's what I did. It looked just like the original, but I used really cheap hair and it drove me nuts. Little pieces kept getting out, they were like spun plastic and stuck everywhere. So if you do use hair, spend a few bucks on it! Gail Finke ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:01:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries In particular, the Cluny Museum sells a catalog about them, with large fold-out color images and lots of close-ups. It comes in an English version, too. My copy is La Dame a la Licorne, by Alain Erlande-Brandenburg (Paris: Editions de la Reunion des Musees Nationaux, 1979), ISBN 2711801187. I have used mine so much that the binding is in pieces. > That's her hair sticking out like a tassle..... I've made it work both on me (with my own hair) and on a friend (with a long blonde wig). Separate the hair into two halves down the back. Cross the two tails, and wrap each with ribbon while pulling it around and up the opposite sides of the head. Where they meet, use the ribbon to tie them together and then wrap them into a single tassel. If you do this over a draped velvet headdress such as is shown, you can make it sit so that it sticks up and the loose ends of hair at the top spout like a fountain -- really bizarre but just like the picture. This was part of the show-and-tell for a dress and textiles session that covered pavilions and the Unicorn Tapestry costumes, at the Medieval Congress in 1990....... --Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:46 +1200 From: "michaela" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. > 1. What on earth is on her head? She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle myself: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm I found ythe style in a few other examples of allegory (one a supposedly English illumination, one German woodcut and another set of tapestries.).... I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over my face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at the end and then pinned to the top of my head. > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? I would tend to say the designers used what they saw around them in fanciful ways. Take the buttons on the sides of the skirt of the maid in "smell." I haven't seen buttons at the sides anywhere else and when I saw buttons in a few other tapestries I began to think they were placed there purely by imagination. But i have since seen a portrait of a donor with a gown that buttons up the front from the 1490s. So while I wouldn't dismiss all elements as pure fancy, I would hunt to see if I had seen them used in depicting real people, and how they were used in that setting. I did find a few images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail that wasn't in the original. http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked at is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. I now have a real appreciation of the lady in the tapestry depicting Taste. I now feel the need to make her entire ensemble for a masquerade..... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 22:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j792Dl6Q028351 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j792CI6B040618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j792C9uA095411; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j792C6F8095356 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050809021155.PKEG1531.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:11:55 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:13:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20050807211358.8514C2C6@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWb0BK/5SJBj3G0Qi+2MW+gBpynvgAt9Npg Message-Id: <20050809021155.PKEG1531.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry. Better luck next time. Been there too. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Hello, Anne, I did see your message. Thank-you very much for being willing to help me, but another person had already said they would help. The question is moot now, as I didn't win the auction. :-( Regards, Joannah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 8 22:30:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j792UhfO028545 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:30:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j792StH0042104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j792Ssbp002821; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j792Spkh002773 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBRSFGFA5GEFXS for (sender ); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7tP6wwotd6XEElQ/Zt3pmy5UKTfCQGFYaQ== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZW744J2; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:28:03 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:27:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric Message-ID: <20050808.212753.1344.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,12-13 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 4:6:762665081 X-MAIL-INFO: 286891c591691c8969c52509c59c8ccdf86148acbcdcdc38dda9b5d1d198c861e8c838714561694d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my > favourite > websites. Ever since I've been looking for a particular on-line silk > supplier for either noile or shot dupioni. All I can recall was the > prices > were ridiculously reasonable, especially at the quantities I was > looking at > purchasing. (30 yards +) I got a set of swatches from Bonnie's Bailiwick earlier this year, and it sounds a lot like what you're looking for, but when I try to access the website ( http://www.bonniesbailiwick.com/ ) I get a "Unable To Fetch Domain" error message. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 01:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j795cgT1030781 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:38:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j795aTuI056273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j795aLlm084969; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j795aGxf084918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:36:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-213-2-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.2]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j795aCjH009750 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:36:14 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c59ca4$27661be0$02d5f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050806185721.0371a0f0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Hood images revised Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:18:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1010/Mon Aug 8 17:39:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] French Hood images revised > Hi all again, > > I've injured my shoulder & back doing many scans and enlargements so I had > to take a couple of days away from the computer. But I've been a busy bee > updating the French hood image page for all the images people have sent me > links of. I thank them all (and they are noted on the pages). They now > range in time from pre 1500s to the 1570s (so far). > > With the many images coming in, and more still to scan, I've moved > everything to its own research section. Old pages will refresh to the new > pages. But here is the new url. > Renaissance Research: French Hood Images > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood > > Please, keep those images coming. I have learned so much from seeing these > various images, it's really opened my eyes. I hope this helps others with > their research as well. > > Kimiko I notice you haven't got the photos from QEWU of that effigy that shows the veil of the French hood flipped up, showing some sort of bag like headwear underneath. (or perhaps that's one of the ones waiting to be scanned?) Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 09:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79DZigD005084 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:35:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79DYdNv002155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79DYW4G076801; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78ELAkK018857 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j78ELBaP002341 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:21:11 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.54.61] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-54-61.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.54.61]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j78EL12O309994 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:21:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050808065855.035077c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:59:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1011/Tue Aug 9 03:20:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for >her. That is entirely too cute. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 09:36:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79Dafk8005100 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79DaHx7002402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79DaHMG078003; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from swiftsure.concentric.com (swiftsure.concentric.com [207.155.252.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j78LaG4a043534 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:36:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by swiftsure.concentric.com id RAA10554; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508082135.RAA10554@swiftsure.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200508081312.j78DBiIV079723@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1011/Tue Aug 9 03:20:28 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1008/Sun Aug 7 16:59:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j78LaG4a043534 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quilling X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had no idea it was used with anything but ribbon. I've been using this braid as a hat band. Looks great. Julie ---- wrote: > Oh Mi Gosh!!! I had no idea that's what I've been doing all these years. I've been doing this kind of loop braiding with the satin, reversible ribbon (no wider than 1/4 inch) to make trim to do on elizabethan or tudor. > > You see, there are those vaugue and obscure descriptions in the QEWU inventory, and equally fuzzy pictures that I puzzled about over the years. I decided that one of the trims looked like one of the bits of braiding that we did in camp, where we'd braid the loops just like what's in the picture! > > Thank you for sharing. > Elena > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > A while back when working on a dress I asked the list about "quilling" no > > one seemed to be sure what it was. I later found out thanks to an ancient > > seamstress. However I thought I'd share this example of quilling in a rug: > > > > http://www.missmary.com/articles/01/victorian-crafts-braided-rugs.html > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 13:58:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79HvxQA010549 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:58:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79Hv0p6042561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79HuqJ8065229; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79Hul8Y065098 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050809175641.KMWM1005.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c59d0b$b76cf760$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 14:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79IHoQP011040 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:17:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79IBWfY044152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IBRYG076295; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from atlas.concentric.com (atlas.concentric.com [207.155.252.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IBDmX075987 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by atlas.concentric.com id OAA29641; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:11:00 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508091811.OAA29641@atlas.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:11:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200508091801.j79I0cwC068121@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j79IBDmX075987 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a German Renn group on Yahoo. They've discussed it there and you could check the files. I forget what the headdress is called. Once they tell you the specific name you should be able to find it. Julie ---- wrote: > I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail > keeps perplexing me: > Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 14:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79ILrcS011081 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79ILFYs044911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79ILDjM083749; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IL8mC083677 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:21:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be23.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.35]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 61067262865 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c59d0f$25778fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:21:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Could it be that the hair is sat in this way as you see in an italian renaissance picture? http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/15thdiary/images/back.jpg And the hat/ headdress is stretched out over this hairshape? Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 14:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79IZ68J011369 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79IYf8i046286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IYaTQ093649; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IYXsT093519 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1050064wra for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DljS3KSI1lCPxr034TZGT8HuJw3838z56o4Ozt/4LuRKobVWQFYqIYVkCfHVB4LAHXuCl5V0VDp2JLDKXmlaoyjn8WkwtCc+VQx4e9f9aKyw2cBdgQKQdni0l7Km8qtEkXy7RmIL4PUJekou8VMnxrdkZkDQsd34T1C6vSDdjWw= Received: by 10.54.121.6 with SMTP id t6mr1751383wrc; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05080911344b0f6c22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:34:27 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress In-Reply-To: <004401c59d0b$b76cf760$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <004401c59d0b$b76cf760$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j79IYXsT093519 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I remember reading about that hat, specific to parts of the German states, a couple of years ago, and I can't remember the name of it either, nor do I have the name of the reference to hand. I was doing some rushed searching on German styles and saw the info. The reference said that the hat had a woven base to it made of reeds or straws. If you look at the first picture, you can see through the holes of the white fabric that there is actually something woven underneath it. I wish I could offer something more solid for reference than this memory. All I can remember is that I thought, "of course, how else would they get that flowing shape if it wasn't woven?" LynnD On 8/9/05, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail > keeps perplexing me: > Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg > > http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg > > http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg > > I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had > figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) > > Sheridan > > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > You are only young once, > but you can stay immature indefinitely. > > Ogden Nash > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 14:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79IaZll011387 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79IZsKS046415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IZobE094455; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IZRhl094228 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.13.0-00) with SMTP id 277f8f24.2635901872.62220.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:33:20 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:33:19 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F734@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: German Headdress Thread-Index: AcWdDKFHgsDMXgofQxWZdnwYgQSBRwAA61uQ From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 18:33:20.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[D12BBFB0:01C59D10] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005070601)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j79IZRhl094228 Subject: [h-cost] Re: German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? *snip* Oddly enough, the German movie, Hexen http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068925/ shows an actress wearing a similar headdress, and gives back views of it. I don't know how historically accurate the thing is, but it looks like a logical solution. If you have Netflix, you can get this on DVD. It's really an interesting look at early cinema, not to mention the witch hysteria in Europe. Kate McClure _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 14:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79IbXv3011401 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79IavQL046531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IafF8095199; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79IZxTl094525 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050809183549.WTNC11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c59d11$2e3a3a60$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c59d0f$25778fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:35:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > Could it be that the hair is sat in this way as you see in an italian > renaissance picture? > > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/15thdiary/images/back.jpg > > And the hat/ headdress is stretched out over this hairshape? > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk That's what I was thinking, some of the simpler and smaller versions of this headdress look that way, but the larger ones seem to have a bit more structure to them. I prefer the lower profile ones, but don't have enough hair to pull it off, perhaps a false braid would work? Or a 'donut' of fake hair? I just wonder how the scarf is pinned/tied in the back... 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Yep, that's what I get as well. :-( Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 15:52:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79JqbFO012132 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:52:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79Jq1Eg054109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79JopoS049653; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79Jo1A3049060 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1076865wra for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aIoXTpr4g4z4KoYup5SJyUshFD3vSQPWh6ltXTWWd3jxekpP4x4b/YHPYyex+RQLUoJqI2ngPbdVOxDaxe+S78YsLEsCriaCfrkZj2BqvdlTMtomBUZZUWDb61X5lhRWcN3liqryQyQ+mhcPb3l+OQOLsxkT9DuU+L70IPGb7yU= Received: by 10.54.116.17 with SMTP id o17mr3652841wrc; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05080912495c28dcf7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:49:56 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c59d0f$25778fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <005501c59d11$2e3a3a60$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j79Jo1A3049060 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO VERY, cool, Irmgart! It looks just like the smaller ones in the portraits. Did you say it was hollow? If so, it would be fairly light. Did you have any references to say that this is how it was done or did you do what seemed right? I love the way it looks on you! LynnD On 8/9/05, Irmgart wrote: > http://www.curiousfrau.com/Diaries/Steuchlein_Wulsthaube_first.htm > > - Irmgart > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 16:35:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79KZoGS012542 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79KZ5kk058668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79KYuNA083229; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79KYRvi082798 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from argenthal@comcast.net) Received: from COMPUTER (pcp09142381pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net[69.142.192.249]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050809203421014008fqqee>; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:34:22 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c59d21$b9782eb0$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> From: "Valerie Frank" To: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:34:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] German Headress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j79KZoGS012542 Status: RO The style of headdress that you are interested in has been discussed extensively on the German Renaissance Costume list at yahoo groups and Kass McCann at Reconstructing History has come out with instructions in her new German Accessories pattern. Hope you have fun figuring it all out. Anna von Argenthal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 17:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79LIBQ8013082 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:18:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79LHbOk063436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79LHOA0015530; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79LH7hu015296 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44EB400B7 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb03.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.42f2f726.3cb91 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+R0/jMrAwwIAAAAB,4500f2b76f61ce52acfe187cc3f8ad08 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050809141647.85166040@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Shane & Sheridan" wrote: From: "Shane & Sheridan" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:45 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 17:18:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j79LIKN5013085 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j79LHN9G063373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79LH0Qt015218; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j79LGbv4014915 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263F23FF80 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb04.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.34542 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+R0V1D7MSQIAAAAB,b81324343c06780839ad6def854572c4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Shane & Sheridan" wrote: From: "Shane & Sheridan" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:45 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 21:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A1vXOW018245 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A1ujZr089622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A1ueXG070193; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A1uabS070172 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7A1oaR24416 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42F96040.9000901@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:02:40 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your taste in clothing and headgear. 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create appropriate headwear. --Sue Lalah wrote: > Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most > unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 22:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A2w2kl020254 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:58:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A2vJW8094144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A2vEAg095941; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A2vABH095891 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050810025704.JODJ2946.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:04 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.169.161]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050810025704.HHEH1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:04 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.5]); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:12 +1200 Message-ID: <008501c59d57$350087f0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <42F96040.9000901@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:12 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most > > unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. > Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: > 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your > taste in clothing and headgear. > 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. > 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic > historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create > appropriate headwear. Thank you Sue for your very polite and succinct answer;) I happen to find mine very comfortable as well: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/hats.htm (I have a pattern and interior photos to share of each hat a few typos to clear... it's not quite ready to go public but what the heck;) ) I also do not think that plaits came into it, except maybe at the evry start of the evolution of the Wulsthaube (wulst referring to the crescent shaped piece.) This is especially when true of the enormous "mushroom" shaped headdresses seen in some paintings. The sheer weight of all that hair (which the majority of Northern European women cannot achieve anyway, just think about how thick and long it would be*) would cause massive strain on the body;) And with extant wulsts from an earlier time (not female) I think we can safely say there was a lot of fakery going on. In the early-mid 1400s there are illuminations showing the start of the side heavy plaited hairstyle which doesn't really change much by the start of the 1500s. I think these are mimicked in the gold hauben seen in several paintings. The shape tends to be bottom and side heavy rather than top heavy like the wulsthauben. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520.htm http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.html See the girl on the left? That's the shape of plaits commonly seen. You can see how it influenced the shape of the haarhauben of the other two girls. Of course they may well have those plaits underneath as well, accounting for the shape. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1510.htm http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=550 Those plaits again show the side heavyshape while wulsthauben fromt he same decade are very differently shaped: http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=772 This is the one I based my one on. Though I haven't yet found a nice fabric to make a veil to wear over it. regards, michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 23:44:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A3i0qq021138 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A3hUD3097216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A3hSRg015749; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A3hLCd015694 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050810034316.OTRX1005.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:43:16 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01c59d5d$a21a9e60$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <42F96040.9000901@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:39:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ditto! Besides, a well fitted hat is always comfortable, otherwise there would be no point in wearing it. The trick is to make it that way. :-) Sheridan > Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: > 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your > taste in clothing and headgear. > 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. > 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic > historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create > appropriate headwear. > --Sue > > > Lalah wrote: > > > Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most > > unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. > > > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 9 23:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A3rDiU021245 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A3qqth097866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A3qpOI019633; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A3qlW5019607 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LRO2ZLE780961S4Z@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:52:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LRO2ZL2XCS9624Q7@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:52:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:54:59 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress In-reply-to: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42F97A93.8090607@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lalah wrote: >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. > > I must disagree. I've seen them worn and they are no less flattering than many other hat styles. And hats that fit and sit well on the head are not uncomfortable. Besides that, if you're interested in making German costume from that period to a reasonable level of authenticity, you need an appropriate hat. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 00:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A43SS7021397 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:03:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A42JYg098563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A42HpG023467; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7A41r7c023284 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39513 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 04:01:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FwRelef6u3jb322XinoMowGrJDpSViXrWSypCnO6Z0pMmZDQVR7otXpTxPIZQ8fgAhlcEtpazxk7+wgFXjiPyY6f6KUTiXchThK4046ruJV7h9qSFB8M1X2/6dPdClErtkkqvZrBgsC7JAwadxxO4LUCAq5VsX0qrHZJ0i2q6/E= ; Message-ID: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:01:47 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. Sounds like flour sacking material to me. I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that changes color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending on the angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt lining or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it is, I think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be nice to have an excuse) Annette M (someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from here) --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 00:03:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A43UJ9021400 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A42Jt9098562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A42GXn023444; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A41mTB023262 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:02:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050810040143.FLIN23474.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c59d60$35a73920$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c59d0f$25778fb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><005501c59d11$2e3a3a60$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:01:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooo! Thanks, just the kind of thing I was looking for. :-) Sheridan > http://www.curiousfrau.com/Diaries/Steuchlein_Wulsthaube_first.htm > > - Irmgart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 00:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A49XKJ021625 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:09:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A496nC099069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A495BX026131; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A491Qm026073 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050810040854.TUPU11463.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:08:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00c201c59d61$3627e560$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F734@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:05:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > *snip* > > Oddly enough, the German movie, Hexen > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068925/ shows an actress wearing a similar > headdress, and gives back views of it. I don't know how historically > accurate the thing is, but it looks like a logical solution. If you have > Netflix, you can get this on DVD. It's really an interesting look at > early cinema, not to mention the witch hysteria in Europe. > > Kate McClure One of these hats also makes an appearance in 'Ever After' as worn by Angelica Houston. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 00:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A4Lsa2021897 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A4LWDs099829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A4LVrr030902; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A4LRBu030866 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m135.in-tch.com [216.166.191.135]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7A4FSR24686 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42F98231.3030608@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:27:29 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) References: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Annette! Dunno about the Osnaburg (only flour sacking I'm familiar with is the printed cotton stuff reused for dresses and quilts and such), but the peacock silk sounds absolutely lovely. It would be perfectly appropriate for some types of historical clothing, and not so appropriate for others--the weave structure of the fabric, the weight of it, the color, all could have an effect on suitability for a given garment. So, the OOP-ness of it would depend quite strongly on what time period (and culture) you're thinking of. So if you give us a few more details (e.g., "I want to make a 25th Century Whatzit as worn during High Court Functions in the Barony of Mumbledon, would that work?"), we can probably give you better advice. Personally, of course, it sounds like a glorious addition to anyone's stash. ;o) Mine included, if you want to get rid of it! --Sue in Montana, trying to stay cool..... Kahlara wrote: > Hello, > > I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric > with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its > appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. > > Sounds like flour sacking material to me. > > > I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that changes > color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending on the > angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt lining > or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it is, I > think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be nice to > have an excuse) > > Annette M (someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from > here) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 02:27:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A6RcQU002199 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A6QpAN006474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A6Qjjp073175; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A6QgWG073146 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7A6QgaP003282 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:26:42 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A6QMQt165784 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:26:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050809232116.0263d578@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <008501c59d57$350087f0$0301010a@michaela> References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <42F96040.9000901@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my favorite German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=772 >This is the one I based my one on. Though I haven't yet found a nice fabric >to make a veil to wear over it. My favorite is this one: http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOneZoom.asp?dep=11&zoomFlag=0&viewMode=1&item=71.34 I like all the needlework on the 'hat' and the front of the 'shirt'. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 02:27:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A6RcEI002200 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A6QpC5006475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A6QkeI073180; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A6QenN073141 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7A6QfaP003277 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:26:41 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A6QMQr165784 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050809230610.025273a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most >unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Because the really nice-looking ones, not pictured in the examples provided, are not bad looking at all - kind-of halo shaped things that frame the face: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520scologne.htm http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG291 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/manuel/j_paris.html http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1500ynurenbergdurer.htm http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach35.html CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 03:41:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7A7feZS022762 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:41:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7A7f0F1011185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A7evqo099359; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.177] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A7es0c099339 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32F23BCEF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B712AC438 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:40:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have worked with Osnaburg and it isn't flour sack material. The weave is not tight enough. Silk, sounds beautiful. Remember that it is a warming fabric so you might not want to line any summer costumes with it if you are in a warm humid climate. It sounds like you have what is referred to as shot(sp?) fabric, which can be found in the mid 1500s (I think earlier but not sure) in certain areas up through the ages. What period are you thinking of? De -----Original Message----- Hello, I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. Sounds like flour sacking material to me. I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that changes color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending on the angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt lining or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it is, I think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be nice to have an excuse) Annette M (someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from here) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 06:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AAKMhK030479 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AAJnuT022141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AAJd9x056544; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7A4EcLO028203 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-1232); Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:14:05 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:14:00 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050809210914.031079a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:12:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) In-Reply-To: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050810040147.39511.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:01 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >Hello, > >I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric >with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its >appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. > >Sounds like flour sacking material to me. > > >I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that >changes color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending >on the angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt >lining or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it >is, I think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be >nice to have an excuse) > >Annette M >(someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from here) > It sounds like changeable silk to me, which has been around a long time (definitely during the 16th century, and probably much earlier). Look at the warp and weft threads; they are probably different colors (from your description it sounds like they may be blue and green). It would make a lovely dress if it's the right weight. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 06:23:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AANHnN030532 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:23:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AAMn9o022266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AAMmAZ057698; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A4KIPD030382 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050810042010.VIF11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: <00d001c59d62$c96c4900$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050809141605.85165134@dm21.mta.everyone.net><42F96040.9000901@in-tch.com> <008501c59d57$350087f0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=772 > This is the one I based my one on. Though I haven't yet found a nice fabric > to make a veil to wear over it. > > > regards, > michaela > http://costumes.glittersweet.com If you can get yourself to an Indian fabric store, the silk they use for Dupattas is about as close to the gauze you see in these paintings as you can modernly get. I have also seen silk with 'gold' very similar to some of the paintings you have on your site, and I had planned to use something like that for one of the more elaborate hats in future. Thanks for the info! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 06:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AAOkop030557 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AAON5j022366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AAONKq058300; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A4XmQM035586 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m135.in-tch.com [216.166.191.135]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7A4RnR26699 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42F98517.6030309@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:39:51 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: German Headdress References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F734@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <00c201c59d61$3627e560$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <00c201c59d61$3627e560$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm....I don't remember that as a German headdress, but rather, as an Italian one (ISTR that Ms. Huston's gowns were Italianate, as were those of her two daughters). There are a number of early 16th?/late 15th c. portraits with women wearing a crescent-shaped headpiece. I wonder, though, if there's any connection between these Italian ones, the German/Swiss styles, and the crescent rolls that show on some French hoods. It'd be interesting to trace the connections (if any). --Sue, endlessly musing about odd things when she really should be going to bed! ;o) Shane & Sheridan wrote: >>*snip* >> >>Oddly enough, the German movie, Hexen >>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068925/ shows an actress wearing a similar >>headdress, and gives back views of it. I don't know how historically >>accurate the thing is, but it looks like a logical solution. If you have >>Netflix, you can get this on DVD. It's really an interesting look at >>early cinema, not to mention the witch hysteria in Europe. >> >>Kate McClure > > > One of these hats also makes an appearance in 'Ever After' as worn by > Angelica Houston. > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 07:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ABc1tp031715 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:38:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ABbGtD035116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABbDAK089197; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABb9l0089162 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458C1402AF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb12.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.3b42f for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+ea+r/h2igIAAAAB,7a474ee2464f7a6ae32eaf12ab07d17c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20050810043630.8516C044@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing something that looks like it pulls your head back as being comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just made a comment. Sorry Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most >unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Because the really nice-looking ones, not pictured in the examples provided, are not bad looking at all - kind-of halo shaped things that frame the face: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520scologne.htm http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG291 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/manuel/j_paris.html http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1500ynurenbergdurer.htm http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach35.html CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 07:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ABg2kE031765 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:42:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ABfdhk035246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABfdWF090838; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABfapX090813 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B5D40017 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb03.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42f2f72b.33829 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+efHbMpBNAIAAAAB,e1e7c1fe66e90f7f757e85a06d4d65cf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050810044055.8516D5B8@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing something that looks like it pulls your head back as being comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just made a comment. Sorry Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most >unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Because the really nice-looking ones, not pictured in the examples provided, are not bad looking at all - kind-of halo shaped things that frame the face: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520scologne.htm http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG291 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/manuel/j_paris.html http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1500ynurenbergdurer.htm http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach35.html CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 07:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ABg4D2031768 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:42:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ABfheJ035260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABfhav090870; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABfaQT090812 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B17740252 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb11.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42f2f72b.3382d for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+efQpqTiFQIAAAAB,6621f2b853184880c69af06ab2077659 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050810044104.8516D5B4@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing something that looks like it pulls your head back as being comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just made a comment. Sorry Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most >unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Because the really nice-looking ones, not pictured in the examples provided, are not bad looking at all - kind-of halo shaped things that frame the face: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520scologne.htm http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG291 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/manuel/j_paris.html http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1500ynurenbergdurer.htm http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach35.html CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 07:43:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ABh0bu031776 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:43:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ABgcZR035316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABgbbu091188; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ABgYCa091167 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975373FF1B for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb09.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.42f2f726.33d42 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+ef/+Rk21wIAAAAB,f301d904004d5211992f223ac067676c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050810044151.8516F066@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing something that looks like it pulls your head back as being comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just made a comment. Sorry Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:27:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress >Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most >unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Because the really nice-looking ones, not pictured in the examples provided, are not bad looking at all - kind-of halo shaped things that frame the face: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520scologne.htm http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG291 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/m/manuel/j_paris.html http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1500ynurenbergdurer.htm http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach35.html CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 09:25:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ADPoEn000764 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:25:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ADOm7v048016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ADLci0034276; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ADLYBR034232 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m224.in-tch.com [216.166.191.224]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7ADFYR13462 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42FA00CB.9040701@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:27:39 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress References: <20050810043630.8516C044@dm21.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050810043630.8516C044@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, good grief, that's hardly a "war." Just several people answering your question in such ways that showed that we didn't agree with you. If you don't want to wear one or make one, then don't. But obviously, some of us would, for the reasons we stated as well as others. My personal and 21st century (American) aesthetics are distinctly non-16th c. German, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth exploring something I don't immediately understand. Heck, that's probably *the* major reason I've played with and learned about historical costuming for the last 2 decades.... --Sue, curious about it all, even if she'll never get to wear or make most of it... Lalah wrote (several times): > OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing > something that looks like it pulls your head back as being > comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just > made a comment. Sorry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 09:50:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ADoWt2001195 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ADnnff054008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ADlSUD048083; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ADlNom048032 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1ABE2D414E; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D2BD3F69 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c59db2$08324960$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th Century German patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought some of you might like to know of the new Reconstructing History, 16th Century German patterns we're now carrying on our website: Kampfrau Gown Full-size paper patterns with complete instructions and historical notes for 16th century German commonwoman's gown with plain or slashed sleeves and gathered or pleated skirts. 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Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 12:01:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AG1IEW003147 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AG07GF072088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AFuXcB039590; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AFtp53038888 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7AFtTck010312 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:55:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AFt2hE248474 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:55:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050810085327.0344a668@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:54:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress In-Reply-To: <20050810043630.8516C044@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing something >that looks like it pulls your head back as being comfortable, Done right they are, or I wouldn't wear one. > but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, No war here. But my first historical costume was an Albrecht Durer German dress, and I'm kind of fond of the look. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 12:21:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AGLd9i003419 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:21:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AGLBLt074928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AGI9TX056170; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from captain.concentric.com (captain.concentric.com [207.155.252.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AGI4eB056102 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by captain.concentric.com id MAA17526; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508101617.MAA17526@captain.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200508100353.j7A3r3mo019730@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7AGI4eB056102 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I couldn't find the instructions/patterns. I'd love to have the pizza hat instructions and the "starfish" hat. Julie ---- wrote: > I happen to find mine very comfortable as well: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/hats.htm (I have a pattern and >interior photos to share of each hat a few typos to clear... it's not >quite ready to go public but what the heck;) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 16:19:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AKJpkO008831 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AKJ48m000908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AKIq6R042243; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42106.mail.yahoo.com (web42106.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7AKIjuG042063 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68069 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 20:18:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GAay3PxTaTbtg4FoIOaQN8627FXM8z5P2sg/2tygI88vT6LBjax1sMu5YPGXWD9hssJBVysYpvCzaA+b701lkRiVZhNutHkda6RXt+dTty8k1gh/VHzRofUvsIxIKm9acyGDy9SYe8eLCWguiL7Uufg5CxoWGQ/hIRGtDlWwXPg= ; Message-ID: <20050810201839.68067.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:18:39 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Lurking Apology X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wanted to apologize to all for only being a lurker for the last 12 weeks or so. Was finishing costumes for "Beauty and the Beast" for Tuacahn( local professional theatre) and then I fell and broke my right knee. Am back on my feet now {mostly, am on a single crutch} and have started a few projects of my own. Have enjoyed the conversation threads and learned LOTS from you all. A big thank you for the education. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 16:25:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AKP2U4008914 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AKOa7P001542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AKOYJF046506; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42109.mail.yahoo.com (web42109.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.218]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7AKOV1w046334 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49432 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 20:24:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NvCcLh+Pysacu75Fydhpgktpqdq+86yPBKvFJSw7nYW03Rs6dkNJ4cfLxwrdLZ4xKLCMQYxj0KsqyMCqz3djq9jCUHxoR+CMP/5YdnJU+USTGR6zDZNUo5WJv3U+mcfAZM5Z46r7CECZJSZaZnW6P4Ktu5y7nWus/tC3Q0bRRFs= ; Message-ID: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:24:21 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Silk batting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am working on a costume for me. Not exactly period, but close. I am making a tabard to go over a kirtle-style dress. I will be appliqueing a fairy on the tabard and embellishing with beading. All is out of silks and will need to be stabilzed with something because of weight. Have chosen silk batting and purchased it already. The batting came with DRY CLEAN ONLY instructions. WHY DRY CLEAN ONLY? Thanks, Jodi --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 17:06:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7AL6gQg009445 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:06:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7AL681w006065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AL63jX078244; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AL5uMn078134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1E2xlS-0008Q7-DJ for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:05:30 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:05:30 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:05:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:03:48 -0600 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:b+eT5aoS8cYg66CTa72V3xkEe3s= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Five Rivers Chapmanry" writes: > > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my > favourite websites. You'll want to look into http://del.icio.us/; they provide online bookmarks. Very nice. -- Robert Uhl And if made to pass a high-enough instantaneous current, most diodes will become Noise-emitting devices too. --Tanuki _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 17:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ALOBJZ009885 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ALNOm1007994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ALNFSM091041; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ALN7v0090942 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE30402F7 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb08.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.436b9 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+nAxm/5xygIAAAAB,51b307db8eb96aa2087dc376b86bdd77 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20050810142259.8511449C@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess there is a reason the list received four identical messages, but I sent only one. It seems that Netscape either sends dupicate messages or doesn't send them at all. I don't know what the problem is and I don't know how to correct it. I did say that I was sorry I wrote my first message and I should think that would be enough to get you people off my case. Give me a break here, I am trying to move from a house I lived in for thirty five years into one that doesn't have nearly as much space and I am exhausted and frustrated and don't need to be jumped on for asking a stupid question. In the future I will make every effort to keep my opinions to myself. OK? Can we drop it now? Thanks - and again sorry to have stepped on any toes. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender Attachments Name Type Save View Message text/plain Save Is there some actual reason you felt compelled to send the same identical message four different times? Isn't that just a wee bit of overkill? --- Sue Clemenger wrote: From: Sue Clemenger Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:27:39 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress Oh, good grief, that's hardly a "war." Just several people answering your question in such ways that showed that we didn't agree with you. If you don't want to wear one or make one, then don't. But obviously, some of us would, for the reasons we stated as well as others. My personal and 21st century (American) aesthetics are distinctly non-16th c. German, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth exploring something I don't immediately understand. Heck, that's probably *the* major reason I've played with and learned about historical costuming for the last 2 decades.... --Sue, curious about it all, even if she'll never get to wear or make most of it... Lalah wrote (several times): > OK, consider me properly chastized! I can't imagine wearing > something that looks like it pulls your head back as being > comfortable, but to each his own. I didn't mean to start a war, just > made a comment. Sorry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 17:46:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ALkTaK010263 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ALjwTi010212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ALjoTK007343; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7ALjhQw007179 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15057 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 21:45:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zw3wHydhrTNxFzO33N0h4+gKRqT4edMf891covltVYdPIvStU8vI9JaBgjzyy8Gc6NFHr/u/V9VOzBZhr9Ic6xOzxbqtYvChR3mBoUfonqv3F8Ds9iVkfLIm8wayTHEaevevxsyyq5aWIIDU8JsCNCx5WFtRo3y8KFyhlwUp8Fc= ; Message-ID: <20050810214538.15055.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:45:38 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508101142.j7ABgbiF091187@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, and oops - I had cut this down from a much longer and rambling message and guess I edited too much - mid to late 1400's is what I have in mind at the moment. But may end up in something for a later period. AnnetteM From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) At 09:01 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >Hello, > >I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric >with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its >appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. > >Sounds like flour sacking material to me. > > >I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that >changes color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending >on the angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt >lining or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it >is, I think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be >nice to have an excuse) > >Annette M >(someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from here) > It sounds like changeable silk to me, which has been around a long time (definitely during the 16th century, and probably much earlier). Look at the warp and weft threads; they are probably different colors (from your description it sounds like they may be blue and green). It would make a lovely dress if it's the right weight. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:27:29 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) Hi, Annette! Dunno about the Osnaburg (only flour sacking I'm familiar with is the printed cotton stuff reused for dresses and quilts and such), but the peacock silk sounds absolutely lovely. It would be perfectly appropriate for some types of historical clothing, and not so appropriate for others--the weave structure of the fabric, the weight of it, the color, all could have an effect on suitability for a given garment. So, the OOP-ness of it would depend quite strongly on what time period (and culture) you're thinking of. So if you give us a few more details (e.g., "I want to make a 25th Century Whatzit as worn during High Court Functions in the Barony of Mumbledon, would that work?"), we can probably give you better advice. Personally, of course, it sounds like a glorious addition to anyone's stash. ;o) Mine included, if you want to get rid of it! --Sue in Montana, trying to stay cool..... Message: 10 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:40:51 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) I have worked with Osnaburg and it isn't flour sack material. The weave is not tight enough. Silk, sounds beautiful. Remember that it is a warming fabric so you might not want to line any summer costumes with it if you are in a warm humid climate. It sounds like you have what is referred to as shot(sp?) fabric, which can be found in the mid 1500s (I think earlier but not sure) in certain areas up through the ages. What period are you thinking of? De --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 19:12:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ANCwCh012115 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:12:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ANCKW7019791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ANCHxK067420; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42101.mail.yahoo.com (web42101.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7AKWOjH052311 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30610 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2005 20:32:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JUV3Nt+fA/ZX/Sxv/h58pdJnOAOUZVA3BuNhr7p5mg4u3EAlu6VX9s0QOVgjzl/JDcTlR8mRiRu0+RjG5jOBRlpgDUX98sRWffg40LW9gyleC4etmOZD4LBDJXTLuBXp8kO6I8AeEIh+/vsuj3VxPG/2I3kA9Dz4WtycFtJWr8o= ; Message-ID: <20050810203219.30608.qmail@web42101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:32:19 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Silk batting question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am working on a costume for me. Not exactly period, but close. I am making a tabard to go over a kirtle-style dress. I will be appliqueing a fairy on the tabard and embellishing with beading. All is out of silks and will need to be stabilzed with something because of weight. Have chosen silk batting and purchased it already. The batting came with DRY CLEAN ONLY instructions. WHY DRY CLEAN ONLY? Thanks, Jodi --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 19:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ANDfBZ012119 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:13:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ANDCOj019867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ANDBjL067908; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7AKm97m064565 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-20478); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:48:09 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:48:07 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:45:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk batting question In-Reply-To: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:24 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: >I am working on a costume for me. Not exactly period, but close. I >am making a tabard to go over a kirtle-style dress. I will be >appliqueing a fairy on the tabard and embellishing with beading. All >is out of silks and will need to be stabilzed with something because >of weight. Have chosen silk batting and purchased it already. The >batting came with DRY CLEAN ONLY instructions. WHY DRY CLEAN ONLY? > >Thanks, >Jodi Such instructions are mostly CYA for the producer. Most people do not know how to clean silks properly. Although silk batting doesn't sound, to me, like something that would "stabilize" heavily embellished silk. Personally, I would look for something like silk denim (yes, it does exist; denim is a twill weave and is not dependent upon fiber type) or fairly heavy silk broadcloth or other firmly woven silk fabric. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 19:13:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ANDlV6012122 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:13:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ANDKoC019896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ANDH0D067996; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7AKn4LA065281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from [168.144.251.233] (helo=M2W118.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E2xVR-0002F5-G7; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220058310204942640@M2W118.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 66.255.42.194 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "wendirae@bellsouth.net" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7AKn4LA065281 Subject: [h-cost] Indian Fabric Source Was: German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sheridan, Where would you find an Indian fabric store? I'm in Florida and I don't think we have any locally, is there a good site online? Thanks, Wendi Sheridan wrote: > >If you can get yourself to an Indian fabric store, the silk they use for >Dupattas is about as close to the gauze you see in these paintings as you >can modernly get. I have also seen silk with 'gold' very similar to some >of the paintings you have on your site, and I had planned to use something >like that for one of the more elaborate hats in future. > >Thanks for the info! > >Sheridan -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 20:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B0qv8n013539 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:52:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B0qDub027386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B0qABg018097; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B0q6Za018036 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:52:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050810142259.8511449C@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 00:52:01.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[E23AC400:01C59E0E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In the future I will make every effort to keep my opinions to myself. OK? > Can we drop it now? Thanks - and again sorry to have > stepped on any toes. I've been around long enough to know that you can be... blunt, at times :-) So I just ignored your comment - I guess those whose main interest IS German Ren might have felt compelled to defend their hobby and attire. I don't think there's any harm done, and we do want to hear what you have to say... even if we don't always agree :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1Un7Q013963 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1UPv5029965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UPIT036024; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1ULfq035981 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAB1177C0 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810182436.03702310@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:29:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains In-Reply-To: References: <20050808131133.75944.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:50 AM 8/8/2005, you wrote: >The only things I've dealt with that don't seem to respond to it are the >yellowish residue of tomato stains on my printed cotton knit tops, and >some longstanding ?grease stains that just won't let go of my t-shirts no >matter what I dump on them. Something I just read in the newspaper about, and tried only once so far with great success (but not on a very old stain), was to use clear shampoo and salt. It must be clear shampoo. You apply this onto the garment stain, add regular salt on top, and allow to sit overnight. Next day wash it with the rest of the wash. The greasy food stain I put it on disappeared completely, along with the unknown black marks and coffee stains on my husband's white cotton polo shirt. I plan on seeing if it will work on my older stains, but already did the colored wash this week, so it will be next week before I get to it. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:30:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1UrIs013969 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1UOs6029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UMa2035995; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UJ8B035951 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF0177BB for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810180946.03702ac0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:10:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century German patterns In-Reply-To: <000701c59db2$08324960$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000701c59db2$08324960$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:46 AM 8/10/2005, you wrote: >Waffenrock or Captain's Gown > >Full-size paper patterns with complete instructions and historical notes >for men's early 16th century German Waffenrok or Arming Gown as worn by >Landsknecht officers. Pattern includes arming gown with full sleeves and a >variety of skirt pleating techniques. Fits chests 34"-54". All Sizes in >one envelope. Embellishment suggestions included. I so could have used that pattern a few years ago. Glad someone finally came out with the pattern. Anyone here try it yet? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:30:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1UrwZ013970 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1UOxC029958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UMPH035997; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UJ6S035948 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED97F177AD for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:32:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going into business: (Long) In-Reply-To: <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:21 AM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >My college professors told me, you don't have to take the accounting >majors classes to be successful in business. But you do need to know >enough accounting that if the accountant/bookkeeper is cheating you. > >I hope this advice helps you with your decision. Best of luck to you! Penny, That was very well written. Thank you for sharing that. There is also something I would add, as a person who is both a degreed accountant and a costumer. If you go into business for yourself, test the market to see if your area can support your chosen work area. In fact, along with accounting classes, take marketing classes as well, or hire a marketing expert that can test your local market. Some campuses may offer this at a lower rate as experience for their marketing students. While my area is heavy into Renaissance faires, the people who are a part of that community are too poor to support a qualified costumer on a full time basis. So, now I have to modify my original costuming business goals. But I spent a full year before I officially started my business just asking questions of everyone I knew. My research, and experience since, has shown that most people want to rent inexpensive costumes for one night or one weekend, and even that is not supportable for a full time business, even in my relatively large city. Unfortunately, I don't have the space to create and store such a business, and my friend who did went out of business because she could not support herself (she charged too low a price, but that was only one factor). Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1UnxE013964 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1UNWC029956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UM0M035993; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UJZU035949 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9226177AF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810173954.03702d50@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:42:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion plates website 1870's In-Reply-To: <8.6dec6fc3.3026cf76@aol.com> References: <8.6dec6fc3.3026cf76@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:44 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: >Have you tried the Truly Victorian website for patterns from 1830-1900? They >are thoroughly researched and well made patterns and the owner/designers - >Heather and Laura MacNaughton -- have often taught at Costume College in Van >Nuys. It it well worth a look if you are even thinking of doing anything in >early bustle, natural form or late bustle period. Plus the pictures of what >others have made from their patterns are to die for! > >Good luck. > > >Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) >Fyne Hats By Felicity >Period Headgear for Past Ages >www.fynehatsbyfelicity Oh, yes Donna, I do have some of their patterns. Ever since I saw those two ladies at Costume College wearing their bustle dresses, and sitting comfortably in them, I just had to have one. I just want something ... different than their basic patterns to work towards. I only wish on their website that their images of the costumes they wear were better lit, and larger, to get in more of the details. I love their details on the dresses I've seen them in. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:31:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1V3tC013975 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:31:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1UfOl030018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UeIS036194; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UJlY035952 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0F5177BF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:22:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk denim and other heavy silk fabrics (was: Silk batting question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:45 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: > Personally, I would look for something like silk denim (yes, it does exist; denim is a twill weave and is not dependent upon fiber type) or fairly heavy silk broadcloth or other firmly woven silk fabric. >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net Any idea where one can find good silk denim? I've found silk twills all over the place, but none are very ... heavy (12 mm). And I've only found lightweight silk broadcloth, which is nice, but again, not "heavy" enough for what I want to make, which is a Tudor noble's gown. Or am I missing something about the weights of modern silks? In fact, besides velvet (which I will stick with cotton velvet for a gown), or satin (which has it's own snagging issues), what modern silk fabrics would people suggest for 16th c. Tudor/Elizabethan gowns? And any suggestions for where to find the heavier weight fabrics? I've done Thai Silks, Dharma Trading, and denverfabrics.com, and not found anything I think is "heavy" enough to withstand the (ab)use at faires. Thanks for any suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:31:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1V5Ds013978 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:31:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1Uj38030060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1Uj5R036246; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1UJGF035950 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBB7177B6 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810174553.03702978@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:48:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French Hood images revised In-Reply-To: <000001c59ca4$27661be0$02d5f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050806185721.0371a0f0@64.87.54.245> <000001c59ca4$27661be0$02d5f5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:18 PM 8/7/2005, you wrote: >I notice you haven't got the photos from QEWU of that effigy that shows the >veil of the French hood flipped up, showing some sort of bag like headwear >underneath. (or perhaps that's one of the ones waiting to be scanned?) >Elizabeth Hi Elizabeth, I have so many pages in the QEWU tagged with post-it notes that it looks like I used up a whole package! I've been working on getting images found online and sent by others first, that I haven't had the time to scan anything more, yet. But QEWU will be the first book scanned as soon as I get more time. In fact, I've been so busy with that project, I have only today been able to catch up on my e-mail readings. But I have learned so much about French hoods. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 21:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B1sLev014263 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B1rYHi031671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B1rTCE046876; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7B1rQeG046853 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18033); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:52:53 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:52:44 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050810184809.030f4540@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:51:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Heavier silks, was Re: [h-cost] silk denim and other heavy silk fabrics (was: Silk batting question) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rupert and Gibbon (dba Silk Connections) have some heavier fabrics that might work. Here's the URL: http://www.silkconnection.com/products/fabric/silk/shantung/ . The heavy silk shantung sounds like it might be what you are looking for. Joan At 06:22 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: >At 01:45 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: > > Personally, I would look for something like silk denim (yes, it > does exist; denim is a twill weave and is not dependent upon fiber > type) or fairly heavy silk broadcloth or other firmly woven silk fabric. > >>Joan Jurancich >>joanmj@surewest.net > > >Any idea where one can find good silk denim? I've found silk twills >all over the place, but none are very ... heavy (12 mm). And I've >only found lightweight silk broadcloth, which is nice, but again, >not "heavy" enough for what I want to make, which is a Tudor noble's >gown. Or am I missing something about the weights of modern silks? > >In fact, besides velvet (which I will stick with cotton velvet for a >gown), or satin (which has it's own snagging issues), what modern >silk fabrics would people suggest for 16th c. Tudor/Elizabethan >gowns? And any suggestions for where to find the heavier weight >fabrics? I've done Thai Silks, Dharma Trading, and >denverfabrics.com, and not found anything I think is "heavy" enough >to withstand the (ab)use at faires. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Kimiko > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 22:39:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B2d6a8015056 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:39:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B2ccDZ034787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B2cbmN066221; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B2cXDP066190 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E315D62C for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810193002.036fbb80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:33:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Heavier silks, was Re: [h-cost] silk denim and other heavy silk fabrics In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050810184809.030f4540@pop.surewest.net> References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.2.20050810184809.030f4540@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:51 PM 8/10/2005, you wrote: >Rupert and Gibbon (dba Silk Connections) have some heavier fabrics that >might work. Here's the URL: >http://www.silkconnection.com/products/fabric/silk/shantung/ . The heavy >silk shantung sounds like it might be what you are looking for. >Joan Thanks Joan, I like working with silk shantung, just hadn't seen any heavy stuff. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 22:39:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B2d6a3015057 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:39:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B2cccR034786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B2carX066216; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B2cXlT066197 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118EC5D6FC for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810193343.036fbe10@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:38:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric In-Reply-To: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000301c59b8c$7f1b4ef0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:13 PM 8/7/2005, you wrote: > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my favourite > websites. Ever since I've been looking for a particular on-line silk > supplier for either noile or shot dupioni. All I can recall was the > prices were ridiculously reasonable, especially at the quantities I was > looking at purchasing. (30 yards +) > > I've been to Denver, Dharma, G&S, Thai and none of them seem to be the > company where I'd found wonderful colours of noile for around $4.00/yd. > > Any ideas, oh great hoarders of fabric? > >Regards >Lorina I think Joan just directed me to a possible source for you for silk noil, if you got it undyed. I am seeing prices starting at $3.41 for a yard. http://www.silkconnection.com/products/fabric/silk/noil/ But nothing listed for shot dupioni at that site. Have you tried Super Silk? http://www.supersilk.com/index1.asp I just found them after looking at the back of the recent Threads magazine. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 23:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B3Cegn016025 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B3BtAr037244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:11:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3Bq7n081457; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3Bn9L081396 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050811031144.LNWU28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005701c59e22$4fdeb800$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <380-220058310204942640@M2W118.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian Fabric Source Was: German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm, I haven't actually tried to find such a thing online, although I am sure it exists, most major cities have a neighborhood where the local Indian population tends to conregate and set up businesses to cater to the locals. When I lived in Western Canada, there were a few stores in Calgary and Edmonton that I frequented, now I'm close to Toronto and have a guide who shops with me in 'Little India' whenever I can afford the trip. I have found narrow silk chiffon/gauze for as cheap as 2.00 a yard! Ebay sometimes has dupatta fabric that they claim is silk, but usually it's synthetic, heavily patterned, and not sheer enough. Now I'm curious, I'll snoop around the 'net and pass on anything I find. Sheridan > Sheridan, > Where would you find an Indian fabric store? I'm in Florida and I don't > think we have any locally, is there a good site online? > > Thanks, > Wendi > > Sheridan wrote: > > > >If you can get yourself to an Indian fabric store, the silk they use for > >Dupattas is about as close to the gauze you see in these paintings as you > >can modernly get. I have also seen silk with 'gold' very similar to some > >of the paintings you have on your site, and I had planned to use something > >like that for one of the more elaborate hats in future. > > > >Thanks for the info! > > > >Sheridan > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 23:28:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B3Shqm016221 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B3SHfr038866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3SFro090217; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3SCwx090164 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050811032806.MIIO11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c59e24$9929ec80$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <380-220058310204942640@M2W118.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian Fabric Source Was: German Headdress Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops! Duh! Totally forgot, Dharma Trading carries plain silk gauze and chiffon. If you can't find a fabric store specializing in Indian fabrics, this would definitely do the trick.. http://www.dharmatrading.com > Sheridan, > Where would you find an Indian fabric store? I'm in Florida and I don't > think we have any locally, is there a good site online? > > Thanks, > Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 23:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B3tvKw016632 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:55:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B3sqRa040828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3siFd001802; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3seRk001728 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m186.in-tch.com [216.166.191.186]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7B3mYR01893 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42FACD68.3020106@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:00:40 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress References: <20050810142259.8511449C@dm21.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050810142259.8511449C@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hell-oooo! I'd like to point out that the post she saw fit to reply to on a public list was in fact sent to her privately, and was not meant for general consumption. My apologies to the list for you guys having to see the unfortunately-made-public side of my occasionally sarcastic tongue. I quite definitely broke my own rule about not responding in annoyance or anger until at least 24 hrs. have passed. And if I don't sign this post and send it now, I'll probably break it again. So y'all have a nice night.... --Sue Lalah wrote: > I guess there is a reason the list received four identical messages, > but I sent only one. It seems that Netscape either sends dupicate > messages or doesn't send them at all. I don't know what the problem > is and I don't know how to correct it. I did say that I was sorry I > wrote my first message and I should think that would be enough to get > you people off my case. Give me a break here, I am trying to move > from a house I lived in for thirty five years into one that doesn't > have nearly as much space and I am exhausted and frustrated and don't > need to be jumped on for asking a stupid question. In the future I > will make every effort to keep my opinions to myself. OK? Can we > drop it now? Thanks - and again sorry to have stepped on any toes. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > Attachments Name Type Save View Message text/plain Save > > Is there some actual reason you felt compelled to send the same > identical message four different times? Isn't that just a wee bit of > overkill? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 10 23:57:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B3vFuN016670 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B3uPuq040992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3uOre002482; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3uJeB002441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-8.sonic.net [209.148.113.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B3uHAR002088 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:56:18 -0700 Message-ID: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:56:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a new DVD (though of a 1991 film) of a four-part BBC production of "Clarissa," from the 18th-century novel by Samuel Richardson. Lovelace, a nobleman and dedicated rake, obsessively pursues Clarissa, a bourgeois paragon of moral virtue and therefore the ultimate challenge. Her greedy, scheming, vindictive brother and sister combine to urge their parents and wealthy uncle to force Clarissa into marriage with a rich, ugly airhead. For the first time in her life Clarissa rebels and eventually has to seek Lovelace's protection. He tries one elaborate scheme after another to actually get her into bed. And finally . . . Well, watch it! Taut, menacing, sensual (with even incestuous overtones in Clarissa's siblings' relationship), this film is almost as good as "Dangerous Liasions." And probably a lot better than the novel, which is 1536 pages in the Penguin edition and reputed to be one of the longest novels in the English language, perhaps _the_ longest. I haven't read it and I'm not going to, as I gather it gets quite tiresome. But the film, with the action left in and much of the moralizing stripped out, is another story. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 00:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B44w78016808 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B44a9N041625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B44Z6j005987; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B44VZZ005952 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m186.in-tch.com [216.166.191.186]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7B3wVR03596 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42FACFBD.6010702@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:10:37 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lurking Apology References: <20050810201839.68067.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050810201839.68067.qmail@web42106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ouch! That's sound really painful! Hope you're healing well! --sue (knees wincing in sympathy....) p.s. Tell us more about your B&B costumes....;o) Jodi Nelson wrote: > Wanted to apologize to all for only being a lurker for the last 12 > weeks or so. Was finishing costumes for "Beauty and the Beast" for > Tuacahn( local professional theatre) and then I fell and broke my > right knee. Am back on my feet now {mostly, am on a single crutch} > and have started a few projects of my own. Have enjoyed the > conversation threads and learned LOTS from you all. A big thank you > for the education. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 00:06:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B46pha016839 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B46VZc041734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B46UFH006850; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B46RL3006821 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m186.in-tch.com [216.166.191.186]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7B40RR03951 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42FAD031.1060706@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:12:33 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk batting question References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know, having never even heard of silk batting (sounds luxurious). Perhaps you could ask the manufacturer, or whomever you purchased it from? --sue Jodi Nelson wrote: > I am working on a costume for me. Not exactly period, but close. I am > making a tabard to go over a kirtle-style dress. I will be > appliqueing a fairy on the tabard and embellishing with beading. All > is out of silks and will need to be stabilzed with something because > of weight. Have chosen silk batting and purchased it already. The > batting came with DRY CLEAN ONLY instructions. WHY DRY CLEAN ONLY? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 00:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B47cKA016847 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B47DB7041849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B47Dnf007196; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B479iH007153 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E34LU-0002Oa-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:07:08 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050810223752.03d84ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:40:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200508101142.j7ABgbiE091187@net.indra.com> References: <200508101142.j7ABgbiE091187@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: German headdresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It also looks like they were the inspiration for more than a few of Guinan's hats in "Star Trek: The Next Generation". (and very not-historical) Sandy At 06:42 AM 8/10/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:05:20 -0400 >From: "Shane & Sheridan" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: German Headdress > > > *snip* > > > > Oddly enough, the German movie, Hexen > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068925/ shows an actress wearing a similar > > headdress, and gives back views of it. > > Kate McClure > >One of these hats also makes an appearance in 'Ever After' as worn by >Angelica Houston. > >Sheridan "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 00:37:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B4bOkS017444 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B4amSo044143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B4akFu020967; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B4agqY020915 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050811043636.YKIZ1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:36 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.169.161]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050811043636.UEYX1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:36 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.5]); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:46 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c59e2e$4840aed0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:45 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy dance, happy dance! I am so pleased this is now on DVD:) I got to watch it on TV when it aired and was so inspired by the cossies... I will have to try and track down a copy in my region of the world... Sean Bean in pantaloons.. what else could you want;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com > There's a new DVD (though of a 1991 film) of a four-part BBC production > of "Clarissa," from the 18th-century novel by Samuel Richardson. > Lovelace, a nobleman and dedicated rake, obsessively pursues Clarissa, a > bourgeois paragon of moral virtue and therefore the ultimate challenge. > Her greedy, scheming, vindictive brother and sister combine to urge > their parents and wealthy uncle to force Clarissa into marriage with a > rich, ugly airhead. For the first time in her life Clarissa rebels and > eventually has to seek Lovelace's protection. He tries one elaborate > scheme after another to actually get her into bed. And finally . . . -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 01:11:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B5Bh4v017940 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B5B6Ep047680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B5B4ia037516; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B5B0BE037481 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7B5Axck019358 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:10:59 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B5Ap6I185692 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050810214024.034ee150@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:41:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress In-Reply-To: <20050810142259.8511449C@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >In the future I will make every effort to keep my opinions to myself. I thought it was a perfectly valid opinion - some of these headpieces really are funny-looking. My opinion is that there are a few sedate and becoming ones, and mine looks like one of them. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 01:11:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B5BcPM017931 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:11:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B5B6Ln047681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B5B4lX037515; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B5AxB6037471 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7B5Awck019340 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:10:58 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B5Ap6G185692 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:10:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050810213816.03439818@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:39:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress In-Reply-To: <200508101617.MAA17526@captain.concentric.com> References: <200508100353.j7A3r3mo019730@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I couldn't find the instructions/patterns. I'd love to have the pizza hat >instructions and the "starfish" hat. I believe I'm the one who invented the "pizza" hat, at least in it's modern early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the instructions on my website. After Ren. Faire... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 02:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B6K3ig025940 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B6JMgn052944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B6JJ9Z065632; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B6JF1c065569 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050811061909.TDCI1498.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:19:09 +1200 Received: from michaela ([219.89.169.161]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050811061909.RLDO5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:19:09 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.5]); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:19:20 +1200 Message-ID: <000b01c59e3c$9c195760$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200508100353.j7A3r3mo019730@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050810213816.03439818@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:19:20 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >I couldn't find the instructions/patterns. I'd love to have the pizza hat > >instructions and the "starfish" hat. So the slashed crown hat is the one called the starfish hat.... hmmmm.. I admit I wanted to take a photo of the crown flopped on my head as it was a bit like an octopus out of water in shape..... and thought about the starfish connection. I actually thought it referred to a different hat... a softer slashed brim version of the barrett... But that's because I wasn't making the hats when I was reading the modern references to them;) > I believe I'm the one who invented the "pizza" hat, at least in it's modern > early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the instructions > on my website. After Ren. Faire... You should, I know several people who use it (the origami crown right?) but never know where to point people;) I actually used the barrett in the Germanishes National Museum as my starter for mine which is essential three circles the same size one pleated into a hole cut for the head in the other two to make the crown and brim;) A few stabilising fetaures (wire and interfacing) of course are needed. I also will be filling out my page as I am doing a class on German headgear next weekend. I do have patterns and will include step by step instructions that I used. I need to make a new fitted cap for the wulst and a new later period wulst (where it seems to have slipped down at the back of the head. I also have rehersals for The Secret Garden here which are taking up a bit of time as well. But I should get the class up in a very short time. I need to get a class on cirles in German Garb up as well. Handy little devils they are. hats, schauben, skirts, bases..... michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 02:30:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B6UFTR029668 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:30:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B6TmQA053280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B6TlC7069231; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B6TiP2069217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-24-209-11-211.cinci.res.rr.com ([24.209.11.211] helo=[192.168.1.200]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E36ZT-0003Ma-Ey for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:29:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <200508110619.j7B6JKv7065638@net.indra.com> References: <200508110619.j7B6JKv7065638@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) From: Jen Segrest Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:29:41 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greenland groans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am making a greenland gown, and having neckline problems I want a high neck, and a laced chest. So I have it slit from collar bone to mid bust. I have extra fabric there so I'm a little confused on how to cut it past the slit. (which I already messed up and cut it off center and slightly askew an inch from the new slit - had to restitch it shut over some bias tape backing and will have to cover up with trim/edging bias of the same fabric) since there is a least an inch of gathering should i cut it to be more of askinny U shaped cut, so the laceing will pull it together? Does anyone know a link that will show me this in pictures? jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 03:15:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B7FBE7012961 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:15:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B7Ee1X054998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B7DWk6087515; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.76.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B7DUBO087465 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:13:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050811071324011000ot8ke>; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:13:24 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:13:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk vendors From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know all three of these sources are pretty well-known and conventional, and maybe somebody has already mentioned them in the context of the silk hunt and I missed it. But I would never go in search of silk without checking out: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com http://www.fabrics.com http://www.denverfabrics.com. Intermittently, fashionfabricsclub.com has had silk denims and silk broadcloths of varying weights; I got a really fabulous black/olive shot silk oxford that's a really nice heavy weight. Right now they have three 100% silk oxford fabrics (oxford is a plain weave, heavy weight) for $8 a yard. Right now they also have a black and gold cross-woven twill suit-weight silk for $10 a yard (http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=K193) and a whole mess of $9 a yard shantungs. Fabric.com has also had silk denim on occasion. Both will let you return stuff if it's really not what you wanted when it arrives, and both offer pretty good prices. They also both carry rather extensive lines of douppionis, as does denverfabrics.com. Fashionfabricsclub.com also sometimes has $4 noils, and often has $6 - $8 ones, denverfabrics.com has them in the $5 - $8 range too. The selection varies as they get new stuf in, and different fabrics go on sale at different times, but if you keep an eye on them you can get some good noil bargains. Right now denverfabrics.com is offering three matka-type silk suitings for $3.98 a yard, for instance. For silk gauzes, organzas, chiffons, and other sheers, I would also always check these three vendors first -- you never know, and sometimes they have really wonderful stuff at really bearable prices. -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 03:46:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B7k2dT016684 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:46:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B7j6qo059416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B7j4OV098862; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B7j1tX098831 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:45:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1E37kJ18du-0000Gm; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:44:59 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c59e48$97aba690$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl><002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] going into business: (even Longer) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:45:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your welcome Kim. That was a really good point to make. I recently talked to a lady in Gettysburg who has lots of costumes ready made. You would think in Gettysburg, you wouldn't have a problem selling ACW ladies' costumes. But that market's area has so many established costume businesses that have they have the market tied up. This lady does beautiful work. But she is being forced to sell her costumes at below their cost because she needs to get back her investment. I have a lot of education in marketing and merchandising. So many factors go into play when marketing a product line. I don't know if you are watching the Tommy Hilfiger reality show on CBS, called The Cut. It is really interesting because he is dealing more with the business side of design than the creative edge. Last week the challenge was taking 500 pieces of TH merchandise and reconstructing it to sell on the streets. One team lost a day of selling, and decided to sell the clothing for $5 a piece. The other team had two days of selling and had only knocked about $20 off the suggested retail price. Tommy was very upset about the team that priced at $5, but they sold the most merchandise. The $20 off team received a stern talking to for pricing to high. Price points (pricing) comes from studying the market and what the market can bear. If you price to low, you can hurt the intregity of the designer's name. If your price is too high, you can scare away customers and have to depend on those few sales. If you look at pricing of a product line in any store, there is a medium point in the price line structure. The medium line is generally contains the largest number of products. This is what the retailer counts to pay the bills. The higher-end merchandise can bear several markdowns and the retailer can still make a profit. The medium line can only bear a few markdowns. The lower end merchandise generally is to bring the customers into the store. The retailer may be taking a loss but can afford to take the risk to generate more business. A good way to understand this is to look a your local grocery stores weekly ads. Last week, a local store put staple items on sale for 10 for $10. This is their slow season so they need to generate business. They were taking a loss doing this, but they were bringing more people into their store during a slow time of the year. If you shop regularly at this store like I do, you would notice the other items in their sale paper were at regular prices. They made their profit from bringing more people into the store. This week, a different grocery store has the same 10 for $10 promotion on similar products. Who do you think generated more business? Store A, because they were the first to bring these new/returning customers into the store. Another marketing factor came into play... as my husband calls it, The Eagle Screamed... government payday week. Store A had the promotion during the goverment pay week. This was a smart marketing strategy for Store A. Now you might not think that this plays into the costuming business... but it does! Costuming is not a necessity of life... products are purchased with what money we have left over after paying our bills. I have seen over the years that the third week beginning of the fourth week is when most people spend money on costuming. They have paid their bills and by that point in the month, they know what extra money they do or do not have. Saying that, another marketing factor comes into play... one we all don't like but it is still a factor. People are having less **extra money** to play with at this moment because the price of gasoline is affecting our budgets. This extra expense is cutting into how much extra money we have to play with in a month. If you have been into business over a year, you might see that your sales in the last two quarters of this year might not be as high as the previous year. Sales might float up and down just like the gas prices. Demographics is a large factor in marketing. If you have access to a good university library, you can find some needed information in the reference section. I know there is a book that tells how many people are in certain organizations, like SCA. You could poll groups for demographic information. Something to think about, what are the average ages of people going to the faires. College age people probably don't have has much extra money to spend as the 25 and older group. If doing bridal in off-seasons, you can find information as to what the average prices for wedding dresses in your area by checking with local bridal shops. You can check the 2000 census reports for things like income levels, mean. age, educational levels, etc. Some city's take their own census and can provide that information. A Chamber of Commerce might be a good place to look for that information. This can give you a better idea where would be a good location for your business. If you are just selling locally, there are three zones for business, primary, secondary, and tertiary. These areas descend at five mile radius from the business. I can tell you from my business being on the internet, that the majority of people into costuming (in general) in the U.S. are located in California and Virginia. There are lots of other hot locations in the U.S. but this is where I have found the most interest in historic costuming over the years. An example of special interest is for the Victorian bustle era, the southwest is very popular. Things that could influence the costuming business is what movie or television shows are popular at the time. I spoke with a lady in London who is very big into role-playing games online. One of the things her group loved is the HBO series Deadwood. I remember when the series Lovesome Dove was popular and the whole fashion industry did a swing towards Western style clothing for women. This even took a swing into the southwestern style home furnishings. Keeping an eye on Hollywood as to what is coming up and being the first one to offer adapted costumes, is a great way to get your name out there. If you watch the Hollywood rag shows like ET, Access, or get the Hollywood magazines like Entertainment Weekly, you can follow what is on the horizon as to what films are coming out. Vogue will occasionally have articles about the costumes from an upcoming film. With blogs being so popular on the web, you can find blogs about movies that people are awaiting to come out. Someone on h-costume mentioned a blog about the costumes from the last Star Wars... I think it was Michaela. I went to the blog and they had images of the costumes detailing. When I watched the film I didn't notice some of the details that we mentioned on the blog. But after the description, I would love to see it again, to see those details. Kim, when in business you will be re-evaluating and changing your goals as your business ages. The market changes all the time. Have you found that you have seasons in your business? Most businesses do. During the slow seasons you can build up stock or look to other marketplaces that have seasons. Like when it is not Renfaires season, look to the bridal market. I know one costumer in California, who picks up movie sub-contracts in her off-season. Renfaire may be your favorite season, but to bring in $$$ in other seasons, you might want to look around for other markets that you could hit, like the anime industry and their conventions. The whole role-playing industry is really unbelievable. When I started out in business, I had set in my mind that there were certain time periods that I hated. Never failed, I would get jobs working in those time periods and I learned to respect them. BTW, if you are considering going into the design end of the business, I do suggest watching the two reality shows from this past year, Project Runway and The Cut. As I said before The Cut is more along the lines of the business side of the industry. Project Runway (PR) is the creative side of the business. I have PR on videotape and am loaning it to people around the U.S. My tapes have been traveling all over the U.S. this summer. They are on their way to the final person on the waiting list. If you would like to be put on the waiting list to borrow them, send me a private message and I will put you on the list. The rules for the loan is that you have two weeks to watch the series. You will be responsible for mailing them to the next person on the waiting list. I am videotaping The Cut too. I will be loaning those tapes out when the series is over. To be on the waiting lists, please send me a private message, with your name, snail mail address, email address, phone number, and which series you want to borrow. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 04:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B8BVAC023682 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:11:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B8B34j065733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B8B2CK008353; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7B8Av5c008271 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63433 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 08:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 08:10:51 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811090053.01d10758@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:10:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] going into business: (even Longer) In-Reply-To: <003d01c59e48$97aba690$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245> <003d01c59e48$97aba690$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Things that could influence the costuming business is what movie or >television shows are popular at the time. I spoke with a lady in >London who is very big into role-playing games online. One of the >things her group loved is the HBO series Deadwood. I remember when >the series Lovesome Dove was popular and the whole fashion industry >did a swing towards Western style clothing for women. This even >took a swing into the southwestern style home furnishings. Keeping >an eye on Hollywood as to what is coming up and being the first one >to offer adapted costumes, is a great way to get your name out >there. If you watch the Hollywood rag shows like ET, Access, or get >the Hollywood magazines like Entertainment Weekly, you can follow >what is on the horizon as to what films are coming out. Vogue will >occasionally have articles about the costumes from an upcoming >film. With blogs being so popular on the web, you can find blogs >about movies that people are awaiting to come out. Someone on >h-costume mentioned a blog about the costumes from the last Star >Wars... I think it was Michaela. I went to the blog and they had >images of the costumes detailing. When I watched the film I didn't >notice some of the details that we mentioned on the blog. But after >the description, I would love to see it again, to see those details. I have been a costume maker for 24 years and always swore I would not make wedding dress. I was wrong - I will make "period" wedding dresses - and these are mostly influenced by films and TV - I cannot count the number of Mr. Darcy coats or suits I have made. Pirates of the Caribean coats have been popular this season. >Kim, when in business you will be re-evaluating and changing your >goals as your business ages. The market changes all the time. Have >you found that you have seasons in your business? Most businesses >do. During the slow seasons you can build up stock or look to other >marketplaces that have seasons. Like when it is not Renfaires >season, look to the bridal market. I know one costumer in >California, who picks up movie sub-contracts in her off-season. I tend to have more work toward the summer, for the many summer schools that my customers attend. Unlike the U.S. there are not the same kind of Faires, but summer schools, where groups learn different dances, are popular. The one thing I do not do is build up stock because as sure as God made little fishes, I will not be taking orders for that style any year soon. In my own business I only make to order. (Besides, there's all those tens of yards of cloth waiting for me to make clothes for ME!) >When I started out in business, I had set in my mind that there were >certain time periods that I hated. Never failed, I would get jobs >working in those time periods and I learned to respect them. Oh, yes, I'll agree with that, but I do have "cut off" dates. I do not make any "costume" after 1900 - I'm no good at it - or any men's clothing after about 1850, as the tailoring becomes too complicated. The wedding clothes I make are all based on period styles, and use the patterns I use for the rest of my business. Suzi (making two 18th century wedding outfits right now!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 05:31:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7B9V0oe007920 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:31:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7B9USal077271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B9UPUS038806; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7B9UMSV038786 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E39OH1LO8-0002Uj; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006801c59e57$4fba25f0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl><002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny><6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245><003d01c59e48$97aba690$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811090053.01d10758@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] going into business: (even Longer) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:30:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone taking orders for the Ball Room dance craze? Ever since that Ball Room dance show aired, people are flocking to the dance studios. This has really taken off using the 1920s and 1930s gowns? Mentioning 1920s, I watched The Aviator last night. I love the cigarette girls mid-1920s costume. The ladies in that scene were costumed beautifully. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 08:36:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BCaV9J025777 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BCZaxc087415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BCZUxS010943; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BCZQYl010879 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050811123521.UPI16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:21 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050811123521.EFKI9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 8:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050811123521.EFKI9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 517 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sheridan, Thanks for the information - I'll have to snoop around my area, I don't think that we have a strong Indian population though. Do you know of any good sources of authentic Indian patterns? I know Folkwear has a few, but didn't know if there was anything else out there. I've been trying to find a pattern for an authentic wedding sari suit; I don't know if there is an official name for it. Thanks, Wendi > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:27:23 -0400 > From: "Shane & Sheridan" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian Fabric Source Was: German Headdress > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <005b01c59e24$9929ec80$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Oops! Duh! Totally forgot, Dharma Trading carries plain >silk gauze and chiffon. If you can't find a fabric store >specializing in Indian fabrics, this would definitely do >the trick.. > > http://www.dharmatrading.com > > > > Sheridan, > > Where would you find an Indian fabric store? I'm in > > Florida and I don't > > think we have any locally, is there a good site online? > > > > Thanks, > > Wendi > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:00:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BD0NeG026565 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BD02A1089113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BD00vB022073; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BCxu3t021993 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D8D13179FAF; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:59:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.200.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.200]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EEBB3179F71 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:59:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <08c201c59e74$cfbcf7b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050810202421.49430.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.2.20050810134104.030eeeb0@pop.surewest.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810181132.037025a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk denim and other heavy silk fabrics (was: Silk batting question) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What about taffeta? I've been very happy with the taffeta from Denver Fabrics, and it's heavy/tightly woven enough for a Tudor gown. (I'm using it for early Tudor gowns, c1500-1525.) And of course, it's also an accurate fabric choice. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:28:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDSpjW027333 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:28:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDSI1n091152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDSGfm035766; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDSD7O035739 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498D13FE73 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb04.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.42f2f726.43448 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC+1Jsp1uf9gIAAAAB,7f7ac59e3b7e68b168982c33de3ee8fb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20050811062813.8511FF59@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO <<< It came through 4 times, several minutes apart. And I am giving you a break. I'm sure none of want you to un-sub, but getting off your Holy High Altar of Martyrdom would make us even happier. --sue>>> And she did it again. Miss Mooncat can be pretty nasty in private but wants the list to think she is a sweet little picked on angel. I was ready to drop the whole thing, but she won't let go. OK this is the very LAST thing I have to say in the matter and any further messages from her will be deleted without being read. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Sue Clemenger wrote: From: Sue Clemenger Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:00:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shapes of German Headdress Hell-oooo! I'd like to point out that the post she saw fit to reply to on a public list was in fact sent to her privately, and was not meant for general consumption. My apologies to the list for you guys having to see the unfortunately-made-public side of my occasionally sarcastic tongue. I quite definitely broke my own rule about not responding in annoyance or anger until at least 24 hrs. have passed. And if I don't sign this post and send it now, I'll probably break it again. So y'all have a nice night.... --Sue Lalah wrote: > I guess there is a reason the list received four identical messages, > but I sent only one. It seems that Netscape either sends dupicate > messages or doesn't send them at all. I don't know what the problem > is and I don't know how to correct it. I did say that I was sorry I > wrote my first message and I should think that would be enough to get > you people off my case. Give me a break here, I am trying to move > from a house I lived in for thirty five years into one that doesn't > have nearly as much space and I am exhausted and frustrated and don't > need to be jumped on for asking a stupid question. In the future I > will make every effort to keep my opinions to myself. OK? Can we > drop it now? Thanks - and again sorry to have stepped on any toes. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > Attachments Name Type Save View Message text/plain Save > > Is there some actual reason you felt compelled to send the same > identical message four different times? Isn't that just a wee bit of > overkill? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:37:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDbVVw027420 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDatsO092461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDasmU040517; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDanwT040487 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7BDalck026543 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:36:49 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.161] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.161]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDadlk461266 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:36:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050811063327.0263c550@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:34:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Headdress In-Reply-To: <000b01c59e3c$9c195760$0301010a@michaela> References: <200508100353.j7A3r3mo019730@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050810213816.03439818@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I believe I'm the one who invented the "pizza" hat, at least in it's >modern > > early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the >instructions > > on my website. After Ren. Faire... > >You should, I know several people who use it (the origami crown right?) but >never know where to point people;) > >I actually used the barrett in the Germanishes National Museum as my starter >for mine which is essential three circles the same size one pleated into a >hole cut for the head in the other two to make the crown and brim;) A few >stabilising fetaures (wire and interfacing) of course are needed. That one's later than 'mine'/Durer's. Yes, mine's the one with the 'origami' crown, and the slashed brim. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDgGna027475 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDfoFh093337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDfnXU043118; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDfVYR042946 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 14D8B5EE076 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Fran, Thanks for this wonderfull news. I did watch this movie on BBC some years back, but never recorded it. It was as usual from BBC very elegantly costumes and i loved it. This reminds me also of another play i once watched from BBC way back. It was a play wich took place in 1680ies and the costumes were gorgeous, dont remember the name of the author nor the name of the play, but it really deserved to be on DVD two. Especially interresting because there was a dressing scene, where the lady was very tightly laced in her stays. Also i think it is so unfair that you english speaking people cant see the tv series they made of the marriage of Gustav III. It was so wonderfull and well played. They had hired english costumes and there were many many to die for costumes in it. About the story is true i dont know, must admit that swedish history is worse than my english history. Point of the story wich is a 3 hour play is that the king dont know how to act when he is supposed to make the poor danish princess pregnant. ( could be truth, i could imagine) He has to force one of his closest servants into the bedchamber and help him! Remember the king was only 18 and he was broaght up by politicians and the princess was only 16 years old (horrors) Sometimes we cant imagine how horrifying and terrible it must have ben to be a monarch. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" > There's a new DVD (though of a 1991 film) of a four-part BBC production of > "Clarissa," from the 18th-century novel by Samuel Richardson. Lovelace, a > nobleman and dedicated rake, obsessively pursues Clarissa, a bourgeois > paragon of moral virtue and therefore the ultimate challenge. Her greedy, > scheming, vindictive brother and sister combine to urge their parents and > wealthy uncle to force Clarissa into marriage with a rich, ugly airhead. > For the first time in her life Clarissa rebels and eventually has to seek > Lovelace's protection. He tries one elaborate scheme after another to > actually get her into bed. And finally . . . > > Well, watch it! > > Taut, menacing, sensual (with even incestuous overtones in Clarissa's > siblings' relationship), this film is almost as good as "Dangerous > Liasions." And probably a lot better than the novel, which is 1536 pages > in the Penguin edition and reputed to be one of the longest novels in the > English language, perhaps _the_ longest. I haven't read it and I'm not > going to, as I gather it gets quite tiresome. > > But the film, with the action left in and much of the moralizing stripped > out, is another story. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:49:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDnsxX027680 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:49:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDnTaW094587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDnSiP047116; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BDnMkF047006 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20990 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 13:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 13:49:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:49:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" In-Reply-To: <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:41 11/08/2005, you wrote: >Dear Fran, >Thanks for this wonderfull news. I did watch this movie on BBC some >years back, but never recorded it. It was as usual from BBC very >elegantly costumes and i loved it. >This reminds me also of another play i once watched from BBC way >back. It was a play wich took place in 1680ies and the costumes were >gorgeous, dont remember the name of the author nor the name of the >play, but it really deserved to be on DVD two. Especially >interresting because there was a dressing scene, where the lady was >very tightly laced in her stays. >Also i think it is so unfair that you english speaking people cant >see the tv series they made of the marriage of Gustav III. It was so >wonderfull and well played. They had hired english costumes and >there were many many to die for costumes in it. About the story is >true i dont know, must admit that swedish history is worse than my >english history. Point of the story wich is a 3 hour play is that >the king dont know how to act when he is supposed to make the poor >danish princess pregnant. ( could be truth, i could imagine) He has >to force one of his closest servants into the bedchamber and help him! >Remember the king was only 18 and he was broaght up by politicians >and the princess was only 16 years old (horrors) Sometimes we cant >imagine how horrifying and terrible it must have ben to be a monarch. > >>There's a new DVD (though of a 1991 film) of a four-part BBC >>production of "Clarissa," from the 18th-century novel by Samuel >>Richardson. Lovelace, a nobleman and dedicated rake, obsessively >>pursues Clarissa, a bourgeois paragon of moral virtue and therefore >>the ultimate challenge. Her greedy, scheming, vindictive brother >>and sister combine to urge their parents and wealthy uncle to force >>Clarissa into marriage with a rich, ugly airhead. For the first >>time in her life Clarissa rebels and eventually has to seek >>Lovelace's protection. He tries one elaborate scheme after another >>to actually get her into bed. And finally . . . >> >>Well, watch it! >> >>Taut, menacing, sensual (with even incestuous overtones in >>Clarissa's siblings' relationship), this film is almost as good as >>"Dangerous Liasions." And probably a lot better than the novel, >>which is 1536 pages in the Penguin edition and reputed to be one of >>the longest novels in the English language, perhaps _the_ >>longest. I haven't read it and I'm not going to, as I gather it >>gets quite tiresome. >> >>But the film, with the action left in and much of the moralizing >>stripped out, is another story. I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. I don't remember Sean Bean at all, and I am a huge fan. So you can tell what sort of an impression it made on me. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:50:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDo3Ht027689 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDndJ5094620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDna8d047200; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDnVhi047101 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.15a.565b7c90 (4262) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.565b7c90.302cb161@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:49:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/10/2005 11:56:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: But the film, with the action left in and much of the moralizing stripped out, is another story. Yeah....but how's the costuming? I ask because I remember seeing either "Clarissa".....or the other one, "Pamela", I think they've done both.... on the tube years ago and the costumes looked pulled and directionless, meaning, every once in a while something kinda nice would show up. Remember "Dangerous Liaisons"? Everybody looked GREAT [by which I mean perfectly right...with style]! Even the servants and destitute peasants. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 09:52:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BDqa45027794 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BDqFI3095012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDqEtw048623; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BDqAGZ048526 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.158.5676e095 (4262) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <158.5676e095.302cb1fb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:51:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/2005 12:37:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: Sean Bean in pantaloons.. what else could you want;) Now that could be worth it. Get him outta all that mail and leather for a while. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:01:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BE1lGj028074 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BE1AVM096564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BE19pm053582; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BE16xT053554 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:01:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C4CE5EE02D for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007e01c59e7d$20c9bdc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15a.565b7c90.302cb161@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:01:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Wich name do you prefer i call you, should it be AlbertCat, or what? Remember an old man like me, who also has many difficulties in remembering names, would be on no mans land when there is no sig in the mail............... Anyway, you are right, it is long time since we last had something to look forwards to, this is a period with no history................ Say after me! We want historical movies. We want historical movies. We want historical movies. Even better We want historical accurate movies! We want historical accurate movies! ............... .... . Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" > > In a message dated 8/10/2005 11:56:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > But the film, with the action left in and much of the moralizing > stripped out, is another story. > > > > Yeah....but how's the costuming? > > I ask because I remember seeing either "Clarissa".....or the other one, > "Pamela", I think they've done both.... on the tube years ago and the > costumes > looked pulled and directionless, meaning, every once in a while something > kinda > nice would show up. > Remember "Dangerous Liaisons"? Everybody looked GREAT [by which I mean > perfectly right...with style]! Even the servants and destitute peasants. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:25:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BEPnoP028777 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:25:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BEPO6D001277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEPNY1067377; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BEPJc6067250 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:25:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4990 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2005 14:25:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q/H7DLP/3bXYB7yfrazw1CVF1lFWl9QScv7A/z6M4wytXREf8HtpJtwv078o9wvrWUmC4dmse/CCbS79Ui9TEo1ycslc95dJja7fxsSdJePizPt8dRXjJnG1cKSDcz1tx1owGGSGVNN8nfEOI+L8gyJ++OXmMLZPzrmFawIvP4c= ; Message-ID: <20050811142513.4988.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:25:13 BST Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:25:13 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tales from Green Valley - a reality programme that works! (UK) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear list You may remember our dismay at the soap opera tactics of TV when producing the 'Pioneer House' series earlier this year/last year. Many said "why don't they do a series with archaeologists/historians/etc. who WANT to do this and know their stuff?" and I agreed. Someone, somewhere was listening and on Friday 19 August on BBC2 the series 'Tales from Green Valley' begins - it's a 12 part exploration of life on a farm in Wales during the reign of James VI in 1620. Archaeologists and historians spend 12 months living the life they have studied and so far, no sign of women out without their headgear or in their corsets... Hoping it will be broadcast in the rest of the world for everyone else, Katherine ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:36:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BEageV028939 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BEaE9x002370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEa9Nu074072; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f33.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEZktc073778 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:35:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508111342.j7BDfoi4043153@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:35:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 14:35:38.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[F180B140:01C59E81] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: greenland groans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Jen Segrest > I am making a greenland gown, and having neckline problems >I want a high neck, and a laced chest. So I have it slit from collar >bone to mid bust... Which Greenland gown are you making? Herjolfsnes 43 has an opening like that, but I'm not sure it laced. H.39 does lace, but it doesn't look like anything like that deep a cut. But rteally the only one that (to me) looks like it has a high neck is H 63, and it's got lots of buttons. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BEaxgV028944 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BEaY8Q002394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEaUQE074357; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEaQjW074302 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DC0F5848D2; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id C3845848D2 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501c59e82$0eb88d00$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: <200508111341.j7BDfoi3043153@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:35:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: silk vendors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Lauren! Fashion Fabrics was the vendor I'd lost! And they have 54" Duipioni, which will save me tons of money on this huge project. :-) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BEftSj029022 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BEfJic002781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEfFOJ077175; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEfBdh077130 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 73CC85EE03A for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009a01c59e82$b962bc80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: greenland groans Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc If you would like to be really accurate, they should not be called Greenland Gowns but Nordboer Gowns. Nordboer came to Greenland in medieval times from Scandinavia, but suddently they dissapeared. I think they were murdered by the eskimoes................ No tresspass here............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: greenland groans > >From: Jen Segrest >> I am making a greenland gown, and having neckline problems >>I want a high neck, and a laced chest. So I have it slit from collar >>bone to mid bust... > > Which Greenland gown are you making? Herjolfsnes 43 has an opening like > that, but I'm not sure it laced. H.39 does lace, but it doesn't look like > anything like that deep a cut. But rteally the only one that (to me) > looks like it has a high neck is H 63, and it's got lots of buttons. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 10:57:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BEv350029283 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BEuSSk004314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BEuHM1086457; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BEu3CN086248 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBRY3Z4AG3HBVA for (sender ); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgi8iscHYy9WiAOrMzXPtfhw= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZ5PN5VP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:55:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:54:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20050811.075458.316.5.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:2:318502712 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Norse clothing embellishment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all. I need some help. I need to find pictures of Norse clothing embellishment. Might anyone have some good websites to recommend? Thanks! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 11:11:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BFBdQC029501 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BF69hT005241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BF68do092829; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BF65c4092797 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f35.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.53]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E038947FEA1 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:05:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00bd01c59e86$33a7d310$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050811.075458.316.5.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norse clothing embellishment Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:06:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, No embellishment, just clothing for warmth Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Norse clothing embellishment > Greetings all. I need some help. I need to find pictures of Norse > clothing embellishment. Might anyone have some good websites to > recommend? > > Thanks! > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 11:17:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BFHE8p029657 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BFGfF5006519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BFGYgR000574; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f24.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BFGRPR000455 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:16:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:16:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Originating-Email: [ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050811.075458.316.5.Cley@juno.com> From: "M TURNAGE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Norse clothing embellishment Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:16:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 15:16:24.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2ED9560:01C59E87] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.cs.vassar.edu/%7ecapriest/vikembroid.html >From: Cynthia J Ley >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >CC: Cley@juno.com >Subject: [h-cost] Norse clothing embellishment >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:54:57 -0700 > >Greetings all. I need some help. I need to find pictures of Norse >clothing embellishment. Might anyone have some good websites to >recommend? > >Thanks! > >Arlys >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 11:52:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BFqtQ0030339 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:52:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BFqC8L009901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:52:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BFpqfn024718; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BFpdpU024568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BFpbTX029127 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:51:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Clarissa definitely wears a corset. You get to see a fair amount of it. I thought the costumes were, in general, good; and the settings (country houses and so on) were lavish and elegant. As for 100% accuracy, there is no such thing in any repro; but I didn't see anything that damaged the film experience for me. I don't believe that the be-all and end-all of every film is the costumes. "Clarissa" is very, very well done. There's lots of great visual work. Like, in the very beginning Clarissa comes downstairs to hear her grandfather's will read. She's a few minutes late, so when she enters you see her whole family ranged in a row, as it were against her, all dressed in black and staring at her reprovingly. It sets the tone of their relationship for the whole film. And, Lovelace has a friend called Jack whose role is largely to hear Lovelace expound his "rake's philosophy." If Lovelace had made his points while they were sitting in a drawing-room, or for that matter all at one time, it would have gotten tedious. But instead you hear snatches of it, always when they're doing something masculine and violent--shooting birds out of the sky or having an aggressive fencing practice. The dialog is excellent, with great nuances. For example, Clarissa early on drops her glove in a garden and Lovelace hands it back to her, saying "Yours, I believe?" Later, her brother slaps Lovelace in the face with his glove, then throws it at him, and Lovelace hands it back the same way and responds in the same tone, "Yours, I believe?" It's a fantastic film. I don't understand why BBC waited over ten years to put it on DVD. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No > chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore > chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of > Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. I don't remember Sean Bean > at all, and I am a huge fan. So you can tell what sort of an > impression it made on me. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:24:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGOLTJ030921 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGNb4w013377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGNZKh048233; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BGNSNe048111 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3625 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 16:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 16:23:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:21 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" In-Reply-To: <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:51 11/08/2005, you wrote: >Clarissa definitely wears a corset. You get to see a fair amount of it. I said that Clarissa does not wear a chemise under her corset - I did not say that she did not wear a corset. As costumer, trying to persuade customers to wear the proper underclothes, this sort of thing undermines what I say and irritates me to heck! Suzi, making an 18th century chemise to be worn with an 18th century corset and wedding dress. > >I thought the costumes were, in general, good; and the settings >(country houses and so on) were lavish and elegant. As for 100% >accuracy, there is no such thing in any repro; but I didn't see >anything that damaged the film experience for me. I don't believe >that the be-all and end-all of every film is the costumes. > >"Clarissa" is very, very well done. There's lots of great visual >work. Like, in the very beginning Clarissa comes downstairs to hear >her grandfather's will read. She's a few minutes late, so when she >enters you see her whole family ranged in a row, as it were against >her, all dressed in black and staring at her reprovingly. It sets >the tone of their relationship for the whole film. >And, Lovelace has a friend called Jack whose role is largely to hear >Lovelace expound his "rake's philosophy." If Lovelace had made his >points while they were sitting in a drawing-room, or for that matter >all at one time, it would have gotten tedious. But instead you hear >snatches of it, always when they're doing something masculine and >violent--shooting birds out of the sky or having an aggressive >fencing practice. > >The dialog is excellent, with great nuances. For example, Clarissa >early on drops her glove in a garden and Lovelace hands it back to >her, saying "Yours, I believe?" Later, her brother slaps Lovelace >in the face with his glove, then throws it at him, and Lovelace >hands it back the same way and responds in the same tone, "Yours, I believe?" > >It's a fantastic film. I don't understand why BBC waited over ten >years to put it on DVD. > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >http://www.lavoltapress.com > >> >> >>I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No >>chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore >>chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of >>Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. I don't remember Sean >>Bean at all, and I am a huge fan. So you can tell what sort of an >>impression it made on me. >> >>Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGRYBo030998 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:27:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGR8IK013866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGR5jM050818; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGR2lO050747 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.168] (pm5-168.eos.net [205.133.149.168]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7BGQu4G020751 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:00 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508110619.j7B6JKv6065638@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clarissa X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen the film, but I actually do know someone who read the whole book. She liked it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:30:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGUJrQ031069 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:30:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGTjbi014188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGTiYc052721; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGTeZH052682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGTc7e002622 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:29:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I said that Clarissa does not wear a chemise under her corset - I did > not say that she did not wear a corset. As costumer, trying to > persuade customers to wear the proper underclothes, this sort of thing > undermines what I say and irritates me to heck! They're making a film as entertainment, not a documentary on how to layer 18th-century clothing. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Suzi, making an 18th century chemise to be worn with an 18th century > corset and wedding dress. > > >> >> I thought the costumes were, in general, good; and the settings >> (country houses and so on) were lavish and elegant. As for 100% >> accuracy, there is no such thing in any repro; but I didn't see >> anything that damaged the film experience for me. I don't believe >> that the be-all and end-all of every film is the costumes. >> >> "Clarissa" is very, very well done. There's lots of great visual >> work. Like, in the very beginning Clarissa comes downstairs to hear >> her grandfather's will read. She's a few minutes late, so when she >> enters you see her whole family ranged in a row, as it were against >> her, all dressed in black and staring at her reprovingly. It sets >> the tone of their relationship for the whole film. >> And, Lovelace has a friend called Jack whose role is largely to hear >> Lovelace expound his "rake's philosophy." If Lovelace had made his >> points while they were sitting in a drawing-room, or for that matter >> all at one time, it would have gotten tedious. But instead you hear >> snatches of it, always when they're doing something masculine and >> violent--shooting birds out of the sky or having an aggressive >> fencing practice. >> >> The dialog is excellent, with great nuances. For example, Clarissa >> early on drops her glove in a garden and Lovelace hands it back to >> her, saying "Yours, I believe?" Later, her brother slaps Lovelace in >> the face with his glove, then throws it at him, and Lovelace hands >> it back the same way and responds in the same tone, "Yours, I believe?" >> >> It's a fantastic film. I don't understand why BBC waited over ten >> years to put it on DVD. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>> >>> >>> I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No >>> chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore >>> chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of >>> Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. I don't remember Sean >>> Bean at all, and I am a huge fan. So you can tell what sort of an >>> impression it made on me. >>> >>> Suzi >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:32:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGW3sU031106 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:32:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGVURZ014360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGVTIN054062; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52813.mail.yahoo.com (web52813.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BGVQkc053965 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15951 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2005 16:31:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F0pLRruJOP1K7QUKbEnjGk0tDrB/HGAzbEArQZKSRqpUWixt7QvLlkNUeNpQNT+nYDo7IhjJVliZ/XsNyThlYWJFpn8bKT8NCzharmIDziqNyRe8wvoBNqqIJjJft+ggRE0Hnlz5I9OIlR4WCduJdoYZIiTJcjd9hffbrFRmjDw= ; Message-ID: <20050811163120.15949.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52813.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:31:20 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it was just a slip of the finger...earlier in your post you said "chemise," but then you said: "No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of >>Clarissa, would have gone without a corset." I think you probably meant to write "would have gone w/o a chemise" -- hence the confusion. KP Suzi Clarke wrote: At 16:51 11/08/2005, you wrote: >Clarissa definitely wears a corset. You get to see a fair amount of it. I said that Clarissa does not wear a chemise under her corset - I did not say that she did not wear a corset. As costumer, trying to persuade customers to wear the proper underclothes, this sort of thing undermines what I say and irritates me to heck! Suzi, making an 18th century chemise to be worn with an 18th century corset and wedding dress. > >I thought the costumes were, in general, good; and the settings >(country houses and so on) were lavish and elegant. As for 100% >accuracy, there is no such thing in any repro; but I didn't see >anything that damaged the film experience for me. I don't believe >that the be-all and end-all of every film is the costumes. > >"Clarissa" is very, very well done. There's lots of great visual >work. Like, in the very beginning Clarissa comes downstairs to hear >her grandfather's will read. She's a few minutes late, so when she >enters you see her whole family ranged in a row, as it were against >her, all dressed in black and staring at her reprovingly. It sets >the tone of their relationship for the whole film. >And, Lovelace has a friend called Jack whose role is largely to hear >Lovelace expound his "rake's philosophy." If Lovelace had made his >points while they were sitting in a drawing-room, or for that matter >all at one time, it would have gotten tedious. But instead you hear >snatches of it, always when they're doing something masculine and >violent--shooting birds out of the sky or having an aggressive >fencing practice. > >The dialog is excellent, with great nuances. For example, Clarissa >early on drops her glove in a garden and Lovelace hands it back to >her, saying "Yours, I believe?" Later, her brother slaps Lovelace >in the face with his glove, then throws it at him, and Lovelace >hands it back the same way and responds in the same tone, "Yours, I believe?" > >It's a fantastic film. I don't understand why BBC waited over ten >years to put it on DVD. > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >http://www.lavoltapress.com > >> >> >>I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No >>chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore >>chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of >>Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. I don't remember Sean >>Bean at all, and I am a huge fan. So you can tell what sort of an >>impression it made on me. >> >>Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:34:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGYvgT031175 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:34:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGYSvP014577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGYMxJ055990; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGYEmv055895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGXwMq012283 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <42FB7DF4.2030808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:33:56 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: clarissa References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Encouraging--did she read the full or the abridged (a mere 700 pages) edition? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >I haven't seen the film, but I actually do know someone who read the whole >book. She liked it. > >Gail Finke > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGb0lw031215 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGaU0S014786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGaTlp057516; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGaOIo057381 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:19 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:06 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] KWCS Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if any of the autocrats are on this list but since I haven't seen this posted yet: The registration fee for KWC/RS has changed, prices have been lowered. Also, the feast has been canceled. Please check the website for updates: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm They also still have some openings for classes so if you have been thinking about volunteering, now would be a good time :). For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested in costuming is welcome to attend. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:38:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGcXOc031223 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:38:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGblSh014921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGblSL058341; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGbiLe058228 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from trephina@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so440421nzd for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:37:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CtDCPo9qhmg3Vn6BPgsp5DzfYRqwJaLMplWE2a47rCQSdWX5eKA9ZnALTEmaxG0KgDSK2bM1SMmiaWJ6zBA1uEnlm49PeWtmCH1b5fRxqaZxmSZKFIc3M1SbbGfuHDTZuihyhJ2esiJ5kggt0gpEyh5QSB2ozqktF6zvQwzlfjM= Received: by 10.36.222.70 with SMTP id u70mr1615885nzg; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.158.6 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5455634e05081109371d1e4b31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:37:38 -0400 From: Trephina la Broderesse To: Historic Costume list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7BGbiLe058228 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paintings in Nat'l Maritime Museum in Greenwich X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I usually just lurk, but thought I'd share another source of art I just found. Among the maritime art in Greenwich are beautiful portraits that can be explored by time period as well as artist and subject: www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuExplore/Explore.cfm There was a painting of Elizabeth I in a black gown loaded with pearls and jewels in the 1551-1600 selection that I'd never seen before. Click on the paintings for an enlarged view. Enjoy! Trephina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:40:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGeG6m031246 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGdq2J015260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGdov3059816; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BGdVX7059568 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20579 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:38:52 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1130.67.188.164.116.1123778371.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Aristocrats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey there, Anybody seen "The Aristocrats"? I bought it sight unseen from a BBC catalog and really enjoyed it. It is set during the 1700's and is about the Duke of Richmond's 4 daughters. I really enjoyed the story and the costumes were pretty good (as you would expect from the BBC). Unfortunately it only came on VHS when I bought it but it was very enjoyable. I give it a "thumbs up"! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 12:51:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BGp4Qd031386 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BGoM0T016331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGoLlY067356; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGoGlh067298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BGoFTp010192 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <42FB81CA.3080207@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:50:18 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: clarissa References: <42FB7DF4.2030808@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <42FB7DF4.2030808@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, I should say it's not the novel's sheer length that tends to put off modern readers, but the length at which certain themes are expounded. Clarissa is moral, virtuous, religious, etc. Throughout the story, almost everybody persecutes her--her family, Lovelace, and others. I gather in the book (which is in letter form), Clarissa writes many, many letters about how virtuous and persecuted she is and bewailing her fate. Long before the end, modern readers are going, "Jeez, just get off your duff and _do_ something instead of whining about it for hundreds of pages!" The film strips most of that out. Clarissa is still a bit insufferable and overly passive (in fact self-destructive IMO). But the action is so compressed you can understand why she didn't have time to think a way out of her troubles. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lavolta Press wrote: > Encouraging--did she read the full or the abridged (a mere 700 pages) > edition? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > >> I haven't seen the film, but I actually do know someone who read the >> whole >> book. She liked it. >> >> Gail Finke >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 13:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BHGTGO031827 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:16:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BHFpVl018851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:15:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BHFHqU085974; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BHEb75085496 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67719 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 17:14:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811181155.01d14980@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:14:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" In-Reply-To: <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:29 11/08/2005, you wrote: >>I said that Clarissa does not wear a chemise under her corset - I >>did not say that she did not wear a corset. As costumer, trying to >>persuade customers to wear the proper underclothes, this sort of >>thing undermines what I say and irritates me to heck! > > >They're making a film as entertainment, not a documentary on how to >layer 18th-century clothing. You try explaining that to someone who doesn't know about costume history, and wants "the dress that so and so wears" in a particular film or TV series. Fran, you enjoy films your way - I am entitled to dislike things for my reasons, and state those reasons on an open list. After all we are all entitled to our own opinions - I was simply stating mine.You don't have to snap. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 13:17:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BHHhk4031864 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:17:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BHHM7j019107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BHHHPu087566; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BHHAZF087392 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 30247 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 17:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 17:17:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811181441.01d1c3d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:17:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" In-Reply-To: <20050811163120.15949.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> <20050811163120.15949.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:31 11/08/2005, you wrote: >I think it was just a slip of the finger...earlier in your post you >said "chemise," but then you said: "No-one professing to be a lady, >or even of the class of > >>Clarissa, would have gone without a corset." > >I think you probably meant to write "would have gone w/o a chemise" >-- hence the confusion. > >KP Thank you - you are absolutely right and I apologise. Suzi >I said that Clarissa does not wear a chemise under her corset - I did >not say that she did not wear a corset. As costumer, trying to >persuade customers to wear the proper underclothes, this sort of >thing undermines what I say and irritates me to heck! > > > > >>I saw this when first out and was disappointed in the costumes. No > >>chemises!!! Corsets on bare skin. >Even Hogarth's prostitutes wore > >>chemises. No-one professing to be a lady, or even of the class of > >>Clarissa, would have gone without a corset. Mistake - should have read "chemise". Sorry - Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 13:25:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BHPemM031961 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BHP6Ss019937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BHOwgM093058; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f21.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BHO5hc092326 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.203 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.203] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200505261645.j4QGjLhm050986@net.indra.com> From: "C M" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 03:23:59 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 17:23:59.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[7613C840:01C59E99] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric widths website....can anyone help? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I've spend several hours searching for it and now I'm tired, cranky and fed up, cause I can't find it any more..... Can anyone help me find a website that had a relatively short overview over fabric widths in medieval times, with many references to Scandinavian (Icelandic?) sources (Marta Hoffmann?) and loom weigths and so on?..... I am giving up, I've been searching for it all day, and I was so sure I had it bookmarked! No such luck, as usual... Thanks for your help guys, Caithlinn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 15:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BJO39N001413 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BJNHJg031394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BJNB4q078314; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.177] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BJN7jD078280 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC043C34A for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BBABD40A for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:23:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050811062813.8511FF59@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: many OT was: shapes of German Headdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ladies and Gentlemen, >From my understanding, when there appears on a list multiples from one email, 98% of the time it is due to computer error, glitch, or virus. When it is the senders error it is more likely then not an oops of the fingers. Sue, Lalah was replying to other emails as well as yours. There were at least two others that made a comment about the multiple letter but I would say that perhaps yours might have been the one that pushed things over the edge. This is not saying you are bad, perhaps just bad timing. Lalah, I understand about the moving. Sorry to hear that it is smaller, it makes things a little more stressful when you have to figure out what goes and what stays so that you have room to move around in. Here is wishing for you a quick and comfortable settling in in your new location. Everyone is allowed to express their opinions on this list (within reason, see list rules). Everyone has one of those days (sometimes weeks :P ). Everyone has one of those knee jerk reactions once in a while as we all have those buttons that others accidentally push. A few do not speak for the many on this list.(except maybe the moderator on running the list) Now back to the regularly scheduled costuming program. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 16:12:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BKCaE7002198 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:12:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BKC477036592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKC08r013236; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKBpVl013074 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so507136wra for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jTvKsAvnCXUuAmLh5IhG8sdCeyd1VxDCj92WrgFfEpfD4jVZmo2inwiLOPvU6LdopoAiM7YuK7l3I0Oi1zfNovrjP7szdf5K0uzUMM9Kla+f1kZBFPG3p8X2Rn6lzyHv+A00VIsX6CYaWbqvi66tgiEN7lgon6I3Jqf30HqUR48= Received: by 10.54.10.61 with SMTP id 61mr1447077wrj; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0508111311fbfd363@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:11:45 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume , GBACGcostumers@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7BKBpVl013074 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (Sorry for the cross-post. I wanted everyone to know what I've found out in case it pertains to you.) Over the next few months, I will need to make the ruffles for Truly Victorian's Grand Bustle (took the class at Costume College but we didn't have time to make the ruffles) and make two, maybe three Victorian petticoats The bolt of muslin I bought a couple of years ago is finally gone, so I needed to buy more. I decided that getting the 90" or 120" high-quality muslin with my JoAnn's 40% coupon would be the best use of my time and energies (fewer seams on the ruffles, less cutting and tearing), so I went to my neighborhood JoAnn's. They had very little of the 90" muslin and none of the 120" muslin. They had about 8 yards of the 200 count 90" muslin over three bolts. The Ron-Lok is disappearing too. When I asked at the cutting table, the lady said that JoAnn's now has their own label of muslin and will be selling it exclusively once the "old stuff" is gone. I fingered that stuff, and it wasn'g good enough for my needs. I bought what I could of the 200 count stuff and went to the farther away JoAnn's on Sunday. They had none of the 200 count muslin at all and very little of the Ron-Lok, and I'm talking the 45" width too! And it wasn't UNbleached, but it certainly wasn't the usual white bleached color either. The JoAnn's brand of muslin is fine for making practice clothes (muslins) and probably fine for flat lining, but I didn't like it for a whole petticoat, and I certainly wouldn't wear bloomers (pantilettes, whatever) out of it. Perhaps once the sizing was washed out of it and it was shrunk down with some really hot water, it would look better, but I won't buy any of it if it's going to be near skin. At any rate, if you want good-quality muslin from JoAnn's go NOW. Or find a new supplier. I was really disappointed because I love the 200 count bleached muslin I have bought there before. And for all I know, this is old news to most people. As I said, I had my own bolt of muslin for the past couple of years and I hadn't bought any recently. I guess I'll go back to Discount Fabrics for bolts again... I don't hate JoAnn's as many people do. I'm lucky enough to live in a big city where there are lots of other places to go for the fabrics that JoAnn's doesn't carry. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 16:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BKddM0002590 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BKcmtK038740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKbaKY031250; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKaTi0030149 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64793CCA0 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FBB6C0.4000105@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:36:16 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] KWCS Update References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Kinsey wrote: > For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here > in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested > in costuming is welcome to attend. Is this a replacement for, or in addition to the local costume event normally held in February? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 16:41:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BKfjPO002631 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BKfM51039023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKfHF3034116; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKf4C8033922 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6566B3CCA0 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FBB7DE.4010402@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:02 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) References: <8296995c0508111311fbfd363@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0508111311fbfd363@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > > When I asked at the cutting table, the > lady said that JoAnn's now has their own label of muslin and will be > selling it exclusively once the "old stuff" is gone. I fingered that > stuff, and it wasn'g good enough for my needs. Thanks for the heads up. I've got two 40% off coupons to use, and a couple of bolts of muslin sounds like a good idea. I go through one or two a year. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:10:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLA00f003016 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:10:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BL9VHP041875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BL9Qj8053990; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BL9K0I053841 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99217 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2005 21:09:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pYjo8v8r2Bms/3szlsPAi8YxsZXHtKPYsxFULLO7z/RLubbM46+ijRvr11k4TwrQkd2zC0IEx3cMBuC0fR8XXd0XiSkkmqqtmZ///ygZTELO/vaxgDVuAQCcRdhajGXzSfBIU+wbtK33l0I0W2qx9MUK7ObFSnkWk/l2+2b9GR0= ; Message-ID: <20050811210914.99215.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:09:14 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508111342.j7BDfoi4043153@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: going into business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Thanks Penny and Suzi! There is some advice that can apply to any sort of business. Annette M (thinking I ought to find a useful(income generating) purpose for all the research I am been doing!) > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:45:06 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] going into business: (even > Longer) > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003d01c59e48$97aba690$6800a8c0@Penny> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Your welcome Kim. > > That was a really good point to make. I recently > talked to a lady in > Gettysburg who has lots of costumes ready made. You > would think in > Gettysburg, you wouldn't have a problem selling ACW > ladies' costumes. But > that market's area has so many established costume > businesses that have they > have the market tied up. This lady does beautiful > work. But she is being > forced to sell her costumes at below their cost > because she needs to get > back her investment. > > I have a lot of education in marketing and > merchandising. So many factors > go into play when marketing a product line. I don't > know if you are > watching the Tommy Hilfiger reality show on CBS, > called The Cut. It is > really interesting because he is dealing more with > the business side of > design than the creative edge. Last week the > challenge was taking 500 > pieces of TH merchandise and reconstructing it to > sell on the streets. One > team lost a day of selling, and decided to sell the > clothing for $5 a piece. > The other team had two days of selling and had only > knocked about $20 off > the suggested retail price. Tommy was very upset > about the team that priced > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLFoH5003068 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLFENQ042496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLFB3D058029; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BLF6NT057908 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 14232 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 21:15:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hw+bd5w+WCi8eK7HQQptSq5dtFAZ/kwOWagA4lWsflF4eRieg2jsPc/fE9cRsjFdkITMoLLKw3W7xnpBJzYwS5TlrCTEcyP+2hABqp8GJS4wc3gH07xv7IhXDSB+nJco9ad/3MD1fhUYOXkCxaH+FkZej9cntXmPYfALOrUFhGc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.29 with login) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 21:15:01 -0000 Message-ID: <008201c59eb9$bff0b9d0$1d7f1b46@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com><6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1><42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> <1130.67.188.164.116.1123778371.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Aristocrats Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Anybody seen "The Aristocrats"? I bought it sight unseen from a BBC > catalog and really enjoyed it. It is set during the 1700's and is about > the Duke of Richmond's 4 daughters. When I read the header, I thought you were referring to the 2005 film by the same name, which is all about a dirty in-joke told by standup comedians.... :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:20:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLK9nH003096 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:20:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLJ9Mt042991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLJ6bX060886; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLJ1DW060777 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.99.643c142f (4568) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <99.643c142f.302d1ab7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:18:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/2005 11:55:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: It's a fantastic film. I don't understand why BBC waited over ten years to put it on DVD. Your second post made me want to see it more. And I didn't want to poo-poo it too much. But you DID compare it to "Dangerous Liaisons", after all. And speaking a waiting to put something on DVD....where the hell is "Little Dorrit"??? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:25:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLPUQT003124 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLP6cf043620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLP5Q9065280; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLP1fR065146 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1ab.3d0ab834 (4568) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.3d0ab834.302d1c23@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:24:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/2005 12:30:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: They're making a film as entertainment, not a documentary on how to layer 18th-century clothing. C'mon! I'm sure Suzi would have been more OK with an incorrectly cut chemise rather than none. Accuracy or not, a chemise is better than none. They wore chemises in "Quills" and "Sleepy Hollow" fer christ sake! Remember "Queen Margot"? Not a chemise in sight! Ruined the costumes, I think. That and the fact each gown was the same pattern in different [fantastic] fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLghNo003233 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLftXc045588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLfnEo077811; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLfjf3077746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-84.sonic.net [209.148.113.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLffIG018174 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: <42FBC617.90109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:41:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811181155.01d14980@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811181155.01d14980@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not snapping, simply trying to point out that film makers are not making films to educate people about historic costuming. Your customers do need to either realize films are not primary sources. Or accept and enjoy having something they like that is not "authentic," which is also perfectly valid. I agree you're entitled to express express your point of view--just as I am entitled to express mine. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Suzi Clarke wrote: > > You try explaining that to someone who doesn't know about costume > history, and wants "the dress that so and so wears" in a particular > film or TV series. Fran, you enjoy films your way - I am entitled to > dislike things for my reasons, and state those reasons on an open > list. After all we are all entitled to our own opinions - I was simply > stating mine.You don't have to snap. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:42:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLgwSP003240 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLgFQ7045609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLgEmi078051; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLg4uN077902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990B15014E for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14446-01-32 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 891DD150159 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <046401c59ebd$75563a40$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c59db2$08324960$6400a8c0@MAIN> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810180946.03702ac0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century German patterns Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:41:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century German patterns > I so could have used that pattern a few years ago. Glad someone finally > came out with the pattern. Anyone here try it yet? I haven't tried that one, but I was one of the testers for the Cranach gown and it was the best pattern I've ever used. And the sizes actually fit the measurements they say they will fit! Whoda thunk it! Mine is not currently in wearing condition, as my only problem was the length of the sleeves--I have short arms (and legs, and everything else about me is short except my hair..) and the sleeves, though gorgeous, were too long. Dianne > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:44:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLiiZq003253 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:44:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLiF3F045900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLiEsU079505; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BLi9ac079374 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37048 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2005 21:44:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SMGJ/zx8Pj6QXteSUtWKd1aFR9/+3QBrxhQwRqioJ7f9QnXZF3j+FPCkMvuNMMi4N0Mo41489Y7WVkcM1+kr9QmNIccAYfUh8zKzoTx0/ACMp5OXOqwkuqj/W5dZVDoyiT+2r9zbAvJNYo3iLBXPo14hUAs5kn/qpQIp/pXHFXA= ; Message-ID: <20050811214404.37046.qmail@web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:44:04 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter wants to know where she can find a bunny backpack like yours! Pam Dotson Deredere Galbraith wrote: Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:46:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLkFaV003262 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLjs0a046125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLjsIQ081032; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLjmv9080931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-84.sonic.net [209.148.113.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLjkfO000853 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:45:47 -0700 Message-ID: <42FBC70C.1070701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:45:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" References: <99.643c142f.302d1ab7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <99.643c142f.302d1ab7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think that in terms of plot, filming, etc. "Clarissa" is similar and almost equal to "Dangerous Liasions." The costumes are by no means a dead loss, either. Thing is, they had some points where they wanted to show skin . . . so they did. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >Your second post made me want to see it more. And I didn't want to poo-poo >it too much. But you DID compare it to "Dangerous Liaisons", after all. > > >And speaking a waiting to put something on DVD....where the hell is "Little >Dorrit"??? >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:48:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLmZZG003294 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:48:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLmDSH046355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLmBkA082720; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLm59G082486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A6B1500E3 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11859-01-95 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D9B47150160 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <046a01c59ebe$462609c0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl><002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going intobusiness: (Long) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going intobusiness: (Long) >> While my area is heavy into Renaissance faires, the people who are a part > of that community are too poor to support a qualified costumer on a full > time basis. So, now I have to modify my original costuming business goals. I would love to be a full time professional costumer, but I know my area would never support it, and eBay is just too iffy--not to mention that you simply can't get a decent price. So, I am re-thinking my focus, and I think I am going to go into custom bridal work, with an emphasis on Renaissance and medieval styles. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:48:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLmf8W003297 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLmKag046373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLmHDi082794; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLmBMU082713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-84.sonic.net [209.148.113.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLm9f1001415 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <42FBC79C.1070908@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:48:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" References: <1ab.3d0ab834.302d1c23@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ab.3d0ab834.302d1c23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As for "Queen Margot," I had more trouble with the improbability of the plot. When Clarissa is down to her corset there are some points being made about eroticism and vulnerability--but that doesn't mean every costume in the film is bad. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > >C'mon! I'm sure Suzi would have been more OK with an incorrectly cut chemise >rather than none. Accuracy or not, a chemise is better than none. They wore >chemises in "Quills" and "Sleepy Hollow" fer christ sake! > >Remember "Queen Margot"? Not a chemise in sight! Ruined the costumes, I >think. That and the fact each gown was the same pattern in different [fantastic] >fabrics. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 17:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BLo4QM003304 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BLnSUs046541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLnSCc083596; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BLnNAJ083538 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20933 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:49:21 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Aristocrats Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Aristocrats Thread-Index: AcWeucZ172nA3zNwTgeruor3RDo9/AAAhpKQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7BLnNAJ083538 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually the title is simply Aristocrats, based on the Stella Tillyard book on the lives and loves of the four Lennox sisters. The eldest eloped with Charles Fox, while the youngest, Sarah, came close to marrying George III(lost out due to political reasons, for the politically safe German princess Charlotte), married hurriedly elsewhere under familial pressure, separated, and then had an affair and later married(happily)below her social class. Sarah's sins seem to have been: 1)Not snagging King Georgie in the first place(jilting or being jilted by a king, no less, was not quite acceptible), 2)Not staying with Husband #1(who was no prize)no matter what and having a nice quiet affair or affairs on the side, and 3)a woman who marries or re-marries beneath her socio-economic class was a serious no-no. On the other hand, a man of the ton could have dumped an unsatisfactory wife in a country house and lived as we wished in London or wherever, had plenty of affairs, and upon said wife's death(should she be so obliging)married a beautiful nobody, a rich merchant's daughter or(gasp)an actress, and suffered little if any public censure. Wish the BBC would do a series on Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, her husband, and Lady Elizabeth Foster, the most (in)famous menage a trois of the 18th century. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 18:06:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BM6qPK003446 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BM6MV8048287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BM6HdK096024; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f1.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BM6B1d095839 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:06:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:06:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.200] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200505261645.j4QGjLhm050986@net.indra.com> From: "C M" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:06:01 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 22:06:01.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC6CE280:01C59EC0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Norse clothing embellishment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Um, nope, not quite, Bjarne, there's lots of embellishment in the form of embroidery, tablet weaving or the use of fancy fabric as trims (i.e. chinese silk). The site of the link mentioned above (Thora Sharptooth) has more info on tablet woven decoration as well, not just embroidery. The main problem is to determine where it was placed, since not all remains have been found in situ or even in connection with a garment/fabric. Most in depth info can be found in different journals (Textile History, Costume, various Scandinavian publications), Carolyn's website has a very good bibliography for it as well. A fine source is Margarete Hald's book "Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials" with quite a bit of info on the Mammen find (also: M. Iversen, "Mammen, grav kunst og samfund i vikingetid" but that's hard to find) and others. Another site with some good info about a specific find (Oseberg) can be found here: http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/Oseberg/textiles/TEXTILE.HTM (scroll down to embroideries). Hope this helps, Caithlinn >Hi, >No embellishment, just clothing for warmth >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 18:14:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BMEB9b003514 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:14:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BMDdfQ048981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:13:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BMDbRD001368; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BMDYrq001334 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28981 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:13:31 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" Thread-Index: AcWevmYRb7wPvwzyQfKmMsZN8QEZkgAAFjhQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7BMDYrq001334 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is pretty disappointing to be really getting into any film or TV dramatization and then be jolted by a costuming faux pas. However, it is fun as well and things like corsets or stays worn without a chemise or shift are kind of a giveaway to the aesthetics of the time the film/TV show was made. And of course, you have the director's vision of how things should look, especially to the 99%+ of the audience that doesn't know or care about historical accuracy. During the time of the Hays Code in Hollywood, costume designers doing medieval-Rennaisance set films had to eliminate codpieces and put the poor male actors in tights. Costumes for both men and women set in any era had to sacrifice cut and fit, to not only the then current fashionable aesthetic, but to the making sure that ladies necklines didn't plunge below a certain Hays' approved point. Many poor male actors had to have their chests shaved as smooth as a baby's bottom. And forget being accurate about the male attire at the court of Richard II if you were doing that Shakespeare play. Well, maybe those long, pointed-toed shoes...but no too-short to be decent jerkins or houppelands! Historically-set films during the time of the Hays' Code are a hoot to watch. Factor in costume designers having to work with budgets that are a small fraction of a total film's cost, actors that are more worried about their image than being historically accurate,(Bette Davis when doing Elizabeth I a second time being the rare exception) and having to use fabrics and/or rented costumes that are available and it is a wonder anything halfway historically accurate ended up on screen. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 18:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BMISE6003538 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BMHp0H049398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BMHmnf004331; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BMHeSK004159 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37540 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 22:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 22:17:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811230004.01d20b18@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:17:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those who like "Dangerous Liasions" In-Reply-To: <42FBC617.90109@lavoltapress.com> References: <42FACC64.20703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c59e7a$61385e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811144656.01d1b408@127.0.0.1> <42FB740C.1080802@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811172038.01cb6b20@127.0.0.1> <42FB7CF5.9020803@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050811181155.01d14980@127.0.0.1> <42FBC617.90109@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:41 11/08/2005, you wrote: >I'm not snapping, simply trying to point out that film makers are >not making films to educate people about historic costuming. I am well aware of this - after all I do work for the industry here in England. >Your customers do need to either realize films are not primary sources. But when films and TV are promoted as "authentic", and many of them are, how can they realize that what they are being shown is incorrect? They are not immersed in costume detail as we are. My private customers are often ordinary people who happen to like to wear the clothes that are appropriate for the period they are involved with. Many of them do historical dance, but do not research the clothing. For example, I was recently asked to copy a dress worn by Gwyneth Paltrow in "Shakespeare in Love" as it was what the lady liked and would be authentic, as it was in a film. She belongs to a dance group specialising in Elizabethan/Tudor dances. The rest of her group looked at portraits of the period and chose from them, but this charming lady didn't know. We solved her problem by finding a woodcut which she liked, and are working from that. >Or accept and enjoy having something they like that is not >"authentic," which is also perfectly valid. That is a different thing, and one I try not to get involved with, as it doesn't suit the way I work - purely a personal decision. I am really picky, and that is why incorrect clothing irritates me so much - it is so easy to get it right. There are books a-plenty - heaven knows I have worked on five with a well known costume maker, and written three myself, and you publish many for use by the general public and film/TV designers alike, Fran. Anyway that's my hobby horse, and I'm getting saddle sore, so I'll climb down now. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 19:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BNOBZg003988 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BNNE2W055882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BNN8Fj045977; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BNN4H8045835 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050811232259.ZUDT23474.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <011301c59ecb$703b2080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050811123521.EFKI9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:21:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Sheridan, > Thanks for the information - I'll have to snoop around my area, I don't think that we have a strong Indian population though. > > Do you know of any good sources of authentic Indian patterns? I know Folkwear has a few, but didn't know if there was anything else out there. I've been trying to find a pattern for an authentic wedding sari suit; I don't know if there is an official name for it. > > Thanks, > Wendi It might just take a bit of looking, there were several Bollywood movies shot in and around Florida, and usually these movies are shot wherever there is a fair sized Indian population, but you never know. :-) For the wedding suit, were you looking for Sari or for Lhenga (sp?) or for Salwar Kameez? The only tricky part of a Sari is the fit of the Choli, and the slip for under the sari itself is usually a very simple drawstring A-line skirt. Lhenga are the blouse/skirt/dupatta (shawl) combination, also fairly easy to put together if you find the right fabric, and Salwar Kameez (pants and tunic) can be pretty easy to throw together as well, if you are familiar with rectangular construction. Folkwears patterns are just fine for modern wear, I wouldn't use them for historical purposes. I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) for a modern Choli that isn't a North American Tribal Dance pattern. The real ones are either made by somebodies Auntie, someone who specializes in 'suits', or 'ready to wear' from a garment factory in India. Most of the Indian folks I knew all had theirs made by a family member or family friend, no patterns, all made up by hand and custom to each person. Not especially helpful, I know, but it's all I have managed to come up with in the past couple of years. :-) Anahita (sorry, I cant remember the spelling of your new name!) if you are still lurking on this list, have you stumbled on anything like this? Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 19:38:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7BNcjYV004081 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:38:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BNc8E0056893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BNc6NH054183; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BNc2rD054120 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22F15E003 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050811154020.036e8430@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:42:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going intobusiness: (Long) In-Reply-To: <046a01c59ebe$462609c0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810172419.0370c1b8@64.87.54.245> <046a01c59ebe$462609c0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:47 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: >So, I am re-thinking my focus, and I think >I am going to go into custom bridal work, with an emphasis on Renaissance >and medieval styles. > >Dianne That's what I've been thinking about as well, so I am looking into what it takes to do bridal. I've done a few wedding outfits here and there, but I know from former bridal gown designers in my area that the headaches may outweigh the money. But for now, while I deal with pregnancy issues, estate probate and all, I am concentrating on smaller items I can make and sell easily. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 21:56:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C1uK8M005089 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C1tSW2068512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C1tQe2023163; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f16.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BH370V077347 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:03:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508111627.j7BGR75n050830@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:03:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 17:03:01.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[88375DA0:01C59E96] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: greenland groans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >If you would like to be really accurate, they should not be called >Greenland Gowns but >Nordboer Gowns. Nordboer came to Greenland in medieval times from >Scandinavia, but >suddently they dissapeared. I think they were murdered by the >eskimoes................ >No tresspass here............... I think the jury's still out on what finally happened to them in the end. My favorite speculation is that the 15th century survivors were rounded up by the English and sold off as slaves in Bristol, but I think that's a lot less likely than they wre finally unwilling or unable to adapt to the changing climate conditions and just starved to death. You may be correct, of course, in the term Nordboer, although really "Greenland" is accurate as well since that's what the area was called then as well (and the inhabitants "Greenlanders"), and the majority of English speakers have never heard the term Nordboer ("North-dweller"). So for the sake of least confusion at this point, at least in English, I think I'll stick with Greenland/Greenlander :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 21:57:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C1v11x005094 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C1uWZ9068556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C1uWKs023598; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7BHW8Ur098504 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43676 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2005 17:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2005 17:32:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050811183100.01cf16f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:31:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paintings in Nat'l Maritime Museum in Greenwich In-Reply-To: <5455634e05081109371d1e4b31@mail.gmail.com> References: <5455634e05081109371d1e4b31@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:37 11/08/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I usually just lurk, but thought I'd share another source of art I >just found. Among the maritime art in Greenwich are beautiful >portraits that can be explored by time period as well as artist and >subject: > >www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuExplore/Explore.cfm > >There was a painting of Elizabeth I in a black gown loaded with pearls >and jewels in the 1551-1600 selection that I'd never seen before. >Click on the paintings for an enlarged view. I've been to that museum loads of times and didn't know they had a web site - thank you for that. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuExplore/ViewLargeImage.cfm?ID=BHC2750&letter=F This is my favourite - does anybody else think he might be wearing a banyan? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 21:58:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C1wKZT005101 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:58:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C1vuPb068682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C1vuU6024275; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7BKb7CJ030778 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc75.asp.att.net[204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050811203757015004k9qee>; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:37:57 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:37:56 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:37:56 +0000 Message-Id: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wow! I was at my local Joanne's (Everett, Washington USA) and they had *whole* bolts of the 90" and 120". Where are you located? > (Sorry for the cross-post. I wanted everyone to know what I've found > out in case it pertains to you.) > > Over the next few months, I will need to make the ruffles for Truly > Victorian's Grand Bustle (took the class at Costume College but we > didn't have time to make the ruffles) and make two, maybe three > Victorian petticoats The bolt of muslin I bought a couple of years ago > is finally gone, so I needed to buy more. I decided that getting the > 90" or 120" high-quality muslin with my JoAnn's 40% coupon would be > the best use of my time and energies (fewer seams on the ruffles, less > cutting and tearing), so I went to my neighborhood JoAnn's. They had > very little of the 90" muslin and none of the 120" muslin. They had > about 8 yards of the 200 count 90" muslin over three bolts. The > Ron-Lok is disappearing too. When I asked at the cutting table, the > lady said that JoAnn's now has their own label of muslin and will be > selling it exclusively once the "old stuff" is gone. I fingered that > stuff, and it wasn'g good enough for my needs. I bought what I could > of the 200 count stuff and went to the farther away JoAnn's on Sunday. > They had none of the 200 count muslin at all and very little of the > Ron-Lok, and I'm talking the 45" width too! And it wasn't UNbleached, > but it certainly wasn't the usual white bleached color either. > > The JoAnn's brand of muslin is fine for making practice clothes > (muslins) and probably fine for flat lining, but I didn't like it for > a whole petticoat, and I certainly wouldn't wear bloomers > (pantilettes, whatever) out of it. Perhaps once the sizing was washed > out of it and it was shrunk down with some really hot water, it would > look better, but I won't buy any of it if it's going to be near skin. > > At any rate, if you want good-quality muslin from JoAnn's go NOW. Or > find a new supplier. I was really disappointed because I love the 200 > count bleached muslin I have bought there before. And for all I know, > this is old news to most people. As I said, I had my own bolt of > muslin for the past couple of years and I hadn't bought any recently. > I guess I'll go back to Discount Fabrics for bolts again... > > I don't hate JoAnn's as many people do. I'm lucky enough to live in a > big city where there are lots of other places to go for the fabrics > that JoAnn's doesn't carry. > > LynnD > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 21:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C1wQAs005104 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:58:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C1w6uB068776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C1w5EQ024429; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C0nLaH091928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-108.sonic.net [209.148.113.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C0nJNM019091 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:49:20 -0700 Message-ID: <42FBF212.2000604@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:49:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Going into Business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This isn't authentic historical costuming. But anyone who wants to cash in on the "boho" fashion trend could probably do rather nicely for a year or so making bell-sleeved and/or ruffly blouses, gypsy skirts, and Victorian- and Edwardian-inspired coats and jackets. And other historic-inspired items according to their fancy. Probably ready-to-wear rather than custom. I would never make custom costumes for anyone but myself and my husband. IMO, if you make custom clothing (as opposed to ready-made) your job is to make what the customer wants, if feasible within the constraints of their schedule and budget. I hate hiring someone to do something for me and then having them insist on doing it to their specs, not mine. On the other hand, I don't want to work to anyone's specs but my own. End result--I wouldn't touch a custom costuming career with a ten-foot pole. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 22:11:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C2BjvA005264 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C2BIVP069770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2BH6l030197; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2BEh5030168 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7C2BB4G023062 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:11:11 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:02:14 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508120157.j7C1uthc023821@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clarissa X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > Encouraging--did she read the full or the abridged (a mere 700 pages) > edition? The whole thing, baby!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 22:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C2GW5p005314 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C2G5X5070107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2G5B8032292; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2G1Jw032239 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m247.in-tch.com [216.166.191.247]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7C29vR25244 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42FC07CC.20709@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:22:04 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: many OT was: shapes of German Headdress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, it was more like me making an assumption (pre-caffeine, etc.), and shooting my mouth off, which I really, really try not to do. Stressful week or sane week, it's not polite and certainly not constructive. After I'd sent Lalah my *private* note, I did indeed notice that it was actually four different responses to the same message, as if her computer had stuttered. And for that mistake, I apologize. My response, however, *was* private, and was *meant* to be private, so I don't feel at all bad or responsible about anyone's *public* edginess. If someone (anyone) has a problem with me, please don't bother the list with it. As we all pretty much know, it's at the very least bad netiquette. And boring for those not directly involved. --Sue, going off to do something constructive now (like sit on the front porch and work on my next costuming project...it's way too darned hot in my apartment to pop in a costume video, although I'm in the mood now, with all the posts about _Dangerous Liaisons_ ;o) otsisto wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, >>From my understanding, when there appears on a list multiples from one > email, 98% of the time it is due to computer error, glitch, or virus. When > it is the senders error it is more likely then not an oops of the fingers. > Sue, Lalah was replying to other emails as well as yours. There were at > least two others that made a comment about the multiple letter but I would > say that perhaps yours might have been the one that pushed things over the > edge. This is not saying you are bad, perhaps just bad timing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 22:30:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C2UJgw005455 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:30:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C2TrQx071067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2Tpv6038673; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2TlZV038645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-108.sonic.net [209.148.113.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C2TjaA003926 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: <42FC099D.1060108@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:49 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: clarissa References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, I always thought I was breaking records by reading _War and Peace_ and _Remembrance of Things Past_. Still can't say I'm up for over 1,500 pages of passive whining, though. Life's too short to read the thing, entire or abridged, just to figure out a couple minor mysteries in the film. The first two are great books. BTW, if anyone is up for excellent Regency-inspired modern fantasies, try: _Jonathan Norrell & Mr. Strange_ (Susanna Clarke; in the style of Jane Austen) and _Lord Byron's Novel: The Evening Land_ (John Crowley; in the style of a Byron being Gothick) Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Fran wrote: > > > >>Encouraging--did she read the full or the abridged (a mere 700 pages) >>edition? >> >> > >The whole thing, baby!! > >Gail Finke > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 11 23:37:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C3bOq8006108 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C3aMTU076466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C3aJJ1067747; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C3aGiA067698 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IL300K7CBCA2IL0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.147]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:36:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:36:10 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I purchased one of the cotton cholis and took it apart for a pattern. Too bad there isn't someone near me with a scanner who can take pics of the pieces and help graph them out. My choli seperated into 7 pieces - (2) fronts, (1) back, (2) sleeves, (2) front facing pieces Katheryne ------------------------------ > Sheridan, > Do you know of any good sources of authentic Indian patterns? I know Folkwear has a few, but didn't know if there was anything else out there. I've been trying to find a pattern for an authentic wedding sari suit; I don't know if there is an official name for it. >> Wendi For the wedding suit, were you looking for Sari or for Lhenga (sp?) or for Salwar Kameez? The only tricky part of a Sari is the fit of the Choli, and the slip for under the sari itself is usually a very simple drawstring A-line skirt. Folkwears patterns are just fine for modern wear, I wouldn't use them for historical purposes. I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) for a modern Choli that isn't a North American Tribal Dance pattern. The real ones are either made by somebodies Auntie, someone who specializes in 'suits', or 'ready to wear' from a garment factory in India. Most of the Indian folks I knew all had theirs made by a family member or family friend, no patterns, all made up by hand and custom to each person. Not especially helpful, I know, but it's all I have managed to come up with in the past couple of years. :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 01:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C55mBH006950 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C53f19082930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C53ZGE003646; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7C53WUI003585 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70693 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 05:03:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hrZI96RxzALYVT9hrXU797cT1zGJUFdML+yWe1uv0iswe7WM1CZi6X2W4qxgXsjVQ0CtHx/j8eQTDUBAqZ5S5LFGX1oF1i801taBNwITZt6SnBCpqDHBEpw0tBkLfbavdGH7fkXh3kY8EydggzcDcTvUV1k43oUzkpNggxCTq2Q= ; Message-ID: <20050812050326.70691.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:03:26 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508120157.j7C1uthd023821@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds interesting and fun! Is it really just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend - plus what ever extra fees might be incurred by a particular class? Of course, just getting there is the big expense these days, isn't it? Annette M Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:06 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" Subject: [h-cost] KWCS Update I don't know if any of the autocrats are on this list but since I haven't seen this posted yet: The registration fee for KWC/RS has changed, prices have been lowered. Also, the feast has been canceled. Please check the website for updates: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm They also still have some openings for classes so if you have been thinking about volunteering, now would be a good time :). For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested in costuming is welcome to attend. Catherine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 02:51:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7C6ptrj026109 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:51:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C6lbgt090371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C6lY9i043647; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7C6lSK5043566 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7C6lSaP029008 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:47:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.45.239] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-45-239.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.45.239]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7C6lF0t356262 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:47:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050811225630.02643540@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:39:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores In-Reply-To: <011301c59ecb$703b2080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <20050811123521.EFKI9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) Folkwear has a choli pattern. Is this the wrong shape? It looks like the ones the Indian women in Northern CA wear around town. > for a modern Choli that I use a t-shirt for a choli. Not traditional, but some parts of my body look better covered up, and a real choli doesn't do it... CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 06:15:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CAFdCI010934 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:15:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CABJcp004679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CABDSn014654; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CAB8iL014600 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11964 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 10:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 10:11:02 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050812110104.01cc0da0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:11:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I already have the following books on my shelves, along with many, many others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it gives me information I don't already have. I do not want books on Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 Janet Arnold 1860-1930 Cut of Women's Clothes Cut of Men's Clothes Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female Costume in Detail Corsets and Crinolines Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) Harpers Bazaar Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. Fashion through Fashion Plates Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) My own fashion plates Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn in England. suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:04:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CD4DAD016644 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CCsW1x029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CCsP8i074930; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CCsLF4074890 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7CCsIYH005881 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007901c59f3c$f3082aa0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050812050326.70691.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:54:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, it's just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend. It's great that they found a place that is so inexpensive! Wish I could go... kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520 > This sounds interesting and fun! Is it really just $12 > - $15 for the whole weekend - plus what ever extra > fees might be incurred by a particular class? > > Of course, just getting there is the big expense these > days, isn't it? > > Annette M > > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:06 -0500 > From: "Catherine Kinsey" > Subject: [h-cost] KWCS Update > > I don't know if any of the autocrats are on this list > but since I > haven't seen this posted yet: > > The registration fee for KWC/RS has changed, prices > have been lowered. > Also, the feast has been canceled. Please check the > website for > updates: > http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm > > They also still have some openings for classes so if > you have been > thinking about volunteering, now would be a good time > :). > > For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored > Costume Symposium here > in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, > anyone interested > in costuming is welcome to attend. > > Catherine > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:07:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CD7Cnf016697 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CD35GA031255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CD34XP079833; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CD2w7M079729 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:02:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:02:43 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here > in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested > in costuming is welcome to attend. Is this a replacement for, or in addition to the local costume event normally held in February? Dawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The February event is local (this year was the 20th). The one in October is 'Known World' and travels around the country with a different group sponsoring it each year. I think the continued succes of our local event helped get it started. And yes, the registration fee is for the whole event. If you can get there, the site has some fairly inexpensive accomodations available (dorm rooms). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:15:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CDFJZl016807 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CDB8TM032862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDB7LP083927; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDB4u4083858 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm63aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.158]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050812131057.TGSW6520.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm63aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:57 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.158]) by ibm63aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050812131053.PIPQ10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 9:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050812131053.PIPQ10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am interested in both the Sari/Saree and the Lehenga; I'm sure I'll get around to the Salwar Kameez (they look so comfortable). Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. There is a local Indian market, I'll run in there and see if they know where a local fabric store is located that carries Indian fabric - it's so beautiful! Thanks, Wendi > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:21:43 -0400 > From: "Shane & Sheridan" > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <011301c59ecb$703b2080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Sheridan, > > Thanks for the information - I'll have to snoop around my area, I don't > think that we have a strong Indian population though. > > > > Do you know of any good sources of authentic Indian patterns? I know > Folkwear has a few, but didn't know if there was anything else out there. > I've been trying to find a pattern for an authentic wedding sari suit; I > don't know if there is an official name for it. > > > > Thanks, > > Wendi > > It might just take a bit of looking, there were several Bollywood movies > shot in and around Florida, and usually these movies are shot wherever there > is a fair sized Indian population, but you never know. :-) > > For the wedding suit, were you looking for Sari or for Lhenga (sp?) or for > Salwar Kameez? > The only tricky part of a Sari is the fit of the Choli, and the slip for > under the sari itself is usually a very simple drawstring A-line skirt. > Lhenga are the blouse/skirt/dupatta (shawl) combination, also fairly easy to > put together if you find the right fabric, and Salwar Kameez (pants and > tunic) can be pretty easy to throw together as well, if you are familiar > with rectangular construction. > > Folkwears patterns are just fine for modern wear, I wouldn't use them for > historical purposes. > > I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) for a modern Choli that > isn't a North American Tribal Dance pattern. The real ones are either made > by somebodies Auntie, someone who specializes in 'suits', or 'ready to wear' > from a garment factory in India. Most of the Indian folks I knew all had > theirs made by a family member or family friend, no patterns, all made up by > hand and custom to each person. > > Not especially helpful, I know, but it's all I have managed to come up with > in the past couple of years. :-) > > Anahita (sorry, I cant remember the spelling of your new name!) if you are > still lurking on this list, have you stumbled on anything like this? > > Sheridan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CDIF1q016848 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:18:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CDDU3i033099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDDRc9084966; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDDNDU084896 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm63aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.158]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050812131318.TNWW6520.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm63aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:13:18 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.158]) by ibm63aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050812131317.PJZN10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:13:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 9:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050812131317.PJZN10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne, Where are you located? Could you possible use a scanner at a local Kinko's or something? Does your library have a scanner? I'll look around at some thrift stores, sometimes I find treasures there! Maybe I can find a choli and dismantle it too! Thanks, Wendi > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:36:10 -0400 > From: purplkat@optonline.net > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I purchased one of the cotton cholis and took it apart for a pattern. > > Too bad there isn't someone near me with a scanner who can take pics of the pieces and help graph them out. > > My choli seperated into 7 pieces - (2) fronts, (1) back, (2) sleeves, (2) front facing pieces > > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:28:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CDSQqh017078 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CDOPWg033788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDONpn089751; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDOKfD089697 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:24:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IL40083K2J9M961@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.83]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:23:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:23:33 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know when it next will be in the East Coast? I live in NJ and it was a choice of either Pennsic or KWCS.. (SIGH) maybe next year. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Kinsey > The February event is local (this year was the 20th). The one in October is 'Known World' and travels around the country with a different group sponsoring it each year. I think the continued succes of our local event helped get it started. > Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:33:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CDXUXJ017113 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CDS7L6034024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDS6wr091460; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CDS20K091399 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBR3J7WAXR6XJ2 for (sender ); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77XN4zfOtOsRaGH1oGTDI6FZcCSThJFjeQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZ74ZZRM; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:27:06 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:14:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores Message-ID: <20050812.081452.-113959995.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-9 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3409017112 X-MAIL-INFO: 3a74e929c07159d915bdd9717575a519c9104919f4fd80c40585b910fd41e910a0e490852010e5c00c3191e13179b5793d7091b07024dda574f520eda4f525694d40f52595254d39f4ed89a98d457dedb579d1e485c985adadc990ade090e0e97984c5b9e0146df4143484d46dd17134649d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are some sites that I have book marked. I haven't dealt with any of them as I live in Chicago and there's a sizeable Indian/Pakistani population and a really good Indian shopping district. http://www.salwarkameezindia.com/ http://www.shalincraft-india.com/ http://www.homeindia.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 09:47:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CDlW52017328 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CDhTW9035224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDhSvB098820; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CDhOcD098724 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so738022nzd for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jr+cldt3BbBgClHam3tz2o7M8s1V3GFt0k0kqKpuE5YRpz+rx6lLcQAyepZCSTn6Twy/w4U8iwoZiofgwKT8DqMDp3n5eLe6K3oPjwGvL3KrOEjR/mvmi/bX9713GUCCvQtLozlNq4tdpSPY/X3FScc6Ps2lFV3x92yY0hrwmU8= Received: by 10.36.146.1 with SMTP id t1mr157106nzd; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.5.11 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:43:19 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7CDhOcD098724 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/12/05, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > Does anyone know when it next will be in the East Coast? > > I live in NJ and it was a choice of either Pennsic or KWCS.. (SIGH) maybe next year. > > Katheryne > I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't hear about this year's location until after that was over. They may announce it one year ahead of time, at the end of the current event? All that is a long way to say that I don't know, and can't find _any_ information about a KWCS after this one. As to someone else's question, although the kingdom calendar doesn't extend that far into the future, Calontir Clothier's Symposium is expected to be held in the beginning of February as usual. Some local people are already starting to produce new outfits for the walk through history, so I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't happening. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 10:27:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CERrxm017825 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CEOltR038601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CEOj9C021210; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CEOfYP021120 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1f1.419777dc (4012) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.419777dc.302e0b1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:24:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/11/2005 11:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, purplkat@optonline.net writes: I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) for a modern Choli Me too. I was looking at "The Mahabharata" and the cholis seem to be all rectangles...or nearly....no darts, shaping done at side seams or by a small diamond shaped gusset under the arm, which also helps shape the short sleeve. Everything is very tight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 10:33:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CEXkUA017905 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:33:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CEWfZK039294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CEWelx025532; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CEWaYS025457 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.12f.631c80e1 (4012) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.631c80e1.302e0cf9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:32:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wendirae@bellsouth.net writes: Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. Check this out: _SAREE WORLD -- Sari, Saree, Sarees, saris, silk sarees (sari), kanchipuram sar_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 10:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CEsLbO018073 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CErqLk043161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CErnZH038814; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:53:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CErilI038754 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22392); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:53:10 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:53:05 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050812074722.0311a020@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050812110104.01cc0da0@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050812110104.01cc0da0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, What a comprehensive list of references! The only thing I could think of adding is a web site that was given on this list: http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html . I don't know why I saved it since I don't do early 20th century anything, but the images are lovely. Joan At 03:11 AM 8/12/2005, you wrote: >O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of >c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was >anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I already >have the following books on my shelves, along with many, many >others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it gives >me information I don't already have. I do not want books on >Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. > >Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 >Janet Arnold 1860-1930 >Cut of Women's Clothes >Cut of Men's Clothes >Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female >Costume in Detail >Corsets and Crinolines >Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) >Harpers Bazaar >Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. >Fashion through Fashion Plates >Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) >My own fashion plates > >Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn >in England. > >suzi _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 11:08:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CF8tTU018213 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:08:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CF8EYP044771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CF8C5n047757; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CF85qc047646 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13627 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 15:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 15:07:59 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050812160536.01d143e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:07:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050812074722.0311a020@pop.surewest.net> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050812110104.01cc0da0@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.2.20050812074722.0311a020@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:51 12/08/2005, you wrote: >Suzi, >What a comprehensive list of references! The only thing I could >think of adding is a web site that was given on this list: >http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html . I don't know why I >saved it since I don't do early 20th century anything, but the >images are lovely. >Joan Thanks - I had forgotten that - I may have a military costume to produce, as long as it isn't a known regiment - and those military images are brilliant. The ladies though are a bit dressy, even for my customers - I only do "gentry" you understand!! >>O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of >>c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was >>anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I >>already have the following books on my shelves, along with many, >>many others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it >>gives me information I don't already have. I do not want books on >>Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. >> >>Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 >>Janet Arnold 1860-1930 >>Cut of Women's Clothes >>Cut of Men's Clothes >>Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female >>Costume in Detail >>Corsets and Crinolines >>Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) >>Harpers Bazaar >>Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. >>Fashion through Fashion Plates >>Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) >>My own fashion plates >> >>Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn >>in England. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 11:35:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CFZAXY018526 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CFYXT1049307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFYTvN064923; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFYGvS064709 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24833 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:55:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:55:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Catrijn vanden Westhende wrote: > I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the > location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even > decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't > hear about this year's location until after that was over. They may > announce it one year ahead of time, at the end of the current event? > All that is a long way to say that I don't know, and can't find _any_ > information about a KWCS after this one. You can sign up for information here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KWCostume_Symposium/ Till now this has been used to post notices of bids and sites. There have been only 8 messages in 2005, so it's not at all burdensome, though there was a lot more traffic early on from people going to the first KWCS in 2000 (setting up carpools and classes, etc.). The SCA has changed the bidding system for events of this type, so I don't know how that will affect planning, but this would be the place to find out. The latest message (just last week) points to instructions on bidding and notes that there is not yet a bid for 2006. The events have not always been at the same time of year; sometimes it's more than a year between them. It seems to be useful for a group to try combining it with another major symposium -- the Denver KWCS was combined with a rapier symposium and also a smaller dance event, which meant it attracted a large enough number of attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. I see that this year's is combined with a "rattan" symposium, which must have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know which. I've been to two KWCS events (as a guest speaker) and had a ball both times. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 11:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CFb0hO018548 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CFaZ9i049480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFaZCu066378; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFaVGK066307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-38.sonic.net [209.148.113.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFaTvf014294 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: <42FCC200.5000404@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:36:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores References: <20050812.081452.-113959995.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050812.081452.-113959995.0.penhalion@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shalincraft is OK, I've bought from them. I got fast service and reasonable (though not spectacular) quality items. There are a lot of saris and cholis for sale on eBay. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Karen R Bergquist wrote: >Here are some sites that I have book marked. I haven't dealt with any of >them as I live in Chicago and there's a sizeable Indian/Pakistani >population and a really good Indian shopping district. > > >http://www.salwarkameezindia.com/ > >http://www.shalincraft-india.com/ > >http://www.homeindia.com/ >_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 11:52:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CFqVxl018731 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CFq9IJ051435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFprPR077258; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFpbWO077031 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:51:31 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:51:17 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As to someone else's question, although the kingdom calendar doesn't extend that far into the future, Calontir Clothier's Symposium is expected to be held in the beginning of February as usual. Some local people are already starting to produce new outfits for the walk through history, so I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't happening. Catrijn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yup, it is always on the first full weekend of February (says the originating autocrat :) ). We were a little worried about catching a snowstorm every year but have been pretty lucky. This last one was the 20th. Now watch, I just jinxed it for next year! Catherine/Liriel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 11:54:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CFsCca018750 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CFrrms051742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFrefD078756; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CFrRlZ078554 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.50]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E3bqY-0003hY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <27660360.1123862006279.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:53:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Folkwear choli pattern (which compares, by the way, quite favorably with cholis I have had made in India) includes step-by-step illustrated directions for wrapping two different styles of sari. If you really want to have some fun, you can get Chantal Boulanger's book "Saris: An Illustrated Guide to the Indian Art of Draping." I ordered this a year or two ago on recommendation from somebody on this list--maybe that person still has the author's website, from which I ordered directly. Publisher is Shakti Press International, 33 Greyhound Rd., London W6 8NH, GB. The ISBN is 0-9661496-1-0. She includes a CD. The book provides a wonderful historical discussion of wrapped clothing and illustrations for many many regional, religious, and/or class variations on the sari. All have detailed illustrated directions. From this book I learned to wrap the Chettiyar dhoti, which my Ganesha wore in my recent production of A Perfect Ganesh. Indian audience members were delighted with what they considered the ultimate accurate detail, and in fact one woman said she came to the show because she saw the publicity picture and was impressed with Ganesha's dhoti. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Aug 12, 2005 9:32 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wendirae@bellsouth.net writes: Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. Check this out: _SAREE WORLD -- Sari, Saree, Sarees, saris, silk sarees (sari), kanchipuram sar_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 12:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CG2Sg3018862 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:02:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CG2589052989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CG23fK085316; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f25.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CG1xOq085208 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:01:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:01:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.208] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508121537.j7CFabJM066407@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:01:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 16:01:53.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[281F2CB0:01C59F57] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:KWCS Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Robin Netherton >...attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. >I >see that this year's is combined with a "rattan" symposium, which must >have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know >which. Furniture making. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 12:11:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CGBOxE018910 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:11:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CGAs7l053939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGAr0J091306; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGAotP091215 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so782100wra for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uaRs6gpg/IZ3qTn0xvyJuz8Pq5MWY/o+uDD5xP5OpbPEnVGE9K8oN+4wbZxOhZN3tFF/mY4FaM8FVo/tYihG1H8eqj/Xuw6Yvl1NNLwYxQwAO3UTdzmZyXrWmThOMd8UIX9ZLp5bW6wNUP8RJtc5Iuozq8vaoaUWSaRCKnhZefc= Received: by 10.54.30.40 with SMTP id d40mr1974115wrd; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c050812091033a1d626@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:10:44 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) In-Reply-To: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7CGAotP091215 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area. It could be that there's more people using the muslin where I am and the bolts aren't used up as quickly in Everett. I"ll bet there is more of this muslin in some places six months from now, but in the SF area, it seems to be gone. And that's why I'm so lucky - there are at least 20 other stores where I can find muslin in a 20 minute driving area. LynnD On 8/11/05, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > Wow! I was at my local Joanne's (Everett, Washington USA) and they had *whole* bolts of the 90" and 120". > > Where are you located? > > > > (Sorry for the cross-post. I wanted everyone to know what I've found > > out in case it pertains to you.) SNIP MYSELF. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 12:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CGcu3K019580 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CGcGFK057037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGc7VO010368; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGc0fj010211 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.78.78eeeed5 (16087) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D44 (fwm-d44.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.20]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed742fcd05c167; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:37:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:37:48 -0400 From: chindora@aol.com Message-Id: <8C76D734F4FEAF7-15BC-A99C@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:37:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13507 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:KWCS Update MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.20 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would imagine that they could be referring to the use of rattan in constructing typical SCA heavy weapons. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Marc Carlson To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:01:53 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] RE:KWCS Update >From: Robin Netherton >...attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. >I >see that this year's is combined with a "rattan" symposium, which must >have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know >which. Furniture making. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 12:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CGuNBe020067 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CGtdmX059582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGtTdX023285; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGsxQa022802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-38.sonic.net [209.148.113.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CGswj3013056 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: <42FCD465.9090408@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:55:01 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores References: <20050812.081452.-113959995.0.penhalion@juno.com> <42FCC200.5000404@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <42FCC200.5000404@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I should say, I just looked at Shalincraft and they have a lot more embroidered stoles than last time I looked, some of which are very tempting. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: > Shalincraft is OK, I've bought from them. I got fast service and > reasonable (though not spectacular) quality items. > > There are a lot of saris and cholis for sale on eBay. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Karen R Bergquist wrote: > >> Here are some sites that I have book marked. I haven't dealt with any of >> them as I live in Chicago and there's a sizeable Indian/Pakistani >> population and a really good Indian shopping district. >> >> http://www.salwarkameezindia.com/ >> >> http://www.shalincraft-india.com/ >> >> http://www.homeindia.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 15:24:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CJOVXs022215 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CJNluv075177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CJNQkj021687; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CJNEuJ021437 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so840313nzd for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MsTse8yHKClK1IvitGcvlliBxkuiUV0PHmsFmjlm/5haoT5fFmIlPmaxX134bByuw22OXJi/QqSOUtXrl4wX0unnRzf8vmrkCwMtbtKHoS0lp9SYuciCKlefJl2xvjyDeUG8k3ECDV2OB1Jr3ASGgtAAPhj6nhapQ0i+FnvbRnU= Received: by 10.36.146.20 with SMTP id t20mr2637384nzd; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:08 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7CJNEuJ021437 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The only tricky part of a Sari is the fit of the Choli... and Salwar Kameez >(pants and tunic) can be pretty easy to throw together as well, if you are > familiar with rectangular construction. Personally, I cant toss something together for the low prices that our local Indian shops sell and tailor for. My recommendation is to choose the salwar kamees from their stock (they'll be pre-embellished) then have the shop tailor to fit. A Choli should cost US$20-30. You have a choice of dozens of neckline & sleeve styles; it'll probably be ready in a day or 3. I just cant beat that and it gives me more time to do something vintage European. Granted, I live in Silicon Valley, home of the largest Indian population outside India. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 16:02:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CK2LSV027018 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:02:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CK1l5k083105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CK1hQH048675; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CK1d1O048623 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7CK1cck031427 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:01:38 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.45.239] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-45-239.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.45.239]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CK1UMg022498 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:01:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050812123942.03319e08@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:40:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores In-Reply-To: <12f.631c80e1.302e0cf9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really >long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a >simple >step-by-step website out there. You don't need a pattern for a saree - it's six yards of fabric. Folkwear has a pattern for a choli. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 17:37:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CLbt8f027724 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CLbGQd095994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CLb7YG014646; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CLaviS014502 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 67857 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 21:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 21:36:51 -0000 Message-ID: <42FD1674.7060603@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:36:52 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores References: <4.3.1.2.20050812123942.03319e08@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050812123942.03319e08@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1012/Fri Aug 12 06:05:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really >> long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was >> a simple >> step-by-step website out there. > > > You don't need a pattern for a saree - it's six yards of fabric. > Folkwear has a pattern for a choli. I'm big enough that I like 7 yards. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 18:23:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CMNVOf028174 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:23:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CMN7KR000343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CMN5nW042299; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CMMxoD042176 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55561 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2005 22:22:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DZN4t+4nB1RytjNZkL6azYeb9kXnVVSuFhyREpNSyTP9xYOKy26r/yAzU47a/tF5Yjep14fpvqVvxist7GQ6FegO/cfWB3c8HJQkAw1hj1s4QvYfmkplYp8HumX7r72PkLDUWNvRTi3h0iu3nWglM4FcTdHC0l8XY8MKZ7Pg+/Y= ; Message-ID: <20050812222248.55559.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:22:48 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508121800.j7CI0H7O067422@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO :-D The rattan schedule contains fighting classes. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:01:53 -0500 > From: "Marc Carlson" > Subject: [h-cost] RE:KWCS Update > > > >From: Robin Netherton > >...attendees to allow them to get a great > conference hotel and facilities. > >I > >see that this year's is combined with a "rattan" > symposium, which must > >have something to do with either weapons or > fighting though I don't know > >which. > > Furniture making. > > Marc __________________________________ Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Still ruminating on the wedding dress. I found a pretty dupioni that I thought would make a nice underdress. Late 14th cent. Opinions from the more experienced? (It will be a heat wave if it gets up to 70 F on the day of) Annette M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 18:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CMdXlJ028476 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:39:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CMctdT003527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CMcqCN051904; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7CMcldK051828 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-30159); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:38:08 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:38:01 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050812153455.0310c9a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:36:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Chantal Boulanger, was Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores In-Reply-To: <27660360.1123862006279.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <27660360.1123862006279.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I ran a quick web search on Chantal and found her web site: http://www.devi.net/Chantal.html . It includes links for her books. Joan Jurancich At 08:53 AM 8/12/2005, you wrote: >The Folkwear choli pattern (which compares, by the way, quite >favorably with cholis I have had made in India) includes >step-by-step illustrated directions for wrapping two different styles of sari. >If you really want to have some fun, you can get Chantal Boulanger's >book "Saris: An Illustrated Guide to the Indian Art of Draping." I >ordered this a year or two ago on recommendation from somebody on >this list--maybe that person still has the author's website, from >which I ordered directly. Publisher is Shakti Press International, >33 Greyhound Rd., London W6 8NH, GB. The ISBN is 0-9661496-1-0. She >includes a CD. The book provides a wonderful historical discussion >of wrapped clothing and illustrations for many many regional, >religious, and/or class variations on the sari. All have detailed >illustrated directions. From this book I learned to wrap the >Chettiyar dhoti, which my Ganesha wore in my recent production of A >Perfect Ganesh. Indian audience members were delighted with what >they considered the ultimate accurate detail, and in fact one woman >said she came to the show because she saw the publicity picture and >was impressed with Ganesha's dhoti. > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 19:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CN6jLa028877 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CN6Ax0012493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CN60DA066829; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CN5tDV066754 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519223CCA0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:05:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FD2B46.5080507@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:05:42 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni? References: <20050812223047.36038.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050812223047.36038.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote: > Still ruminating on the wedding dress. I found a > pretty dupioni that I thought would make a nice > underdress. Late 14th cent. > > Opinions from the more experienced? (It will be a heat > wave if it gets up to 70 F on the day of) I made my dress out of dupioni. It was a simple princess gown with a neckline drape. The only real problem I had with it was that the stuff I had frayed if I so much as looked at it so I had to finish every seam. I tested it and found that it shrunk, so I "pre-washed" it by simply soaking it and then ironing the heck out of it afterward. I'm glad I did. The sky opened up during the photo-taking session and I got soaked to the skin. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 19:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7CNc1SU029367 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CNbRcn023325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CNbP2V082065; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7CNbL3o082006 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IL400BMJUXFHK1L@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.35] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.154]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:51 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hhhmmmm...... I purchased my choli for $6 - granted it was a plain cotton one with no embellishment. Thankfully I fit a 'off-the-rack' size. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cin > > Personally, I cant toss something together for the low prices that our > local Indian shops sell and tailor for. My recommendation is to > choose the salwar kamees from their stock (they'll be pre-embellished) > then have the shop tailor to fit. A Choli should cost US$20-30. You > have a choice of dozens of neckline & sleeve styles; it'll probably be > ready in a day or 3. I just cant beat that and it gives me more time > to do something vintage European. > --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 20:39:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D0dTh1030032 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D0cfuv031594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D0cddN007437; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D0cZXu007380 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.205.7abf517 (4262) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <205.7abf517.302e9b01@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:38:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/12/2005 7:06:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: so I had to finish every seam You don't anyway?????? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 20:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D0sLS0030176 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D0rwho032440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:53:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D0rvdU013259; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D0r9hu012929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D2ItF3011278 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:18:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:52:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 11 August 2005 4:37 pm, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: [snip] > > I don't hate JoAnn's as many people do. I'm lucky enough to live in a > > big city where there are lots of other places to go for the fabrics > > that JoAnn's doesn't carry. I wouldn't badmouth the entire JoAnn's chain, because people's comments on this list suggest that individual JoAnn's stores vary greatly in the size and variety of their fabric selection and the intelligence and usefulness of their employees. The JoAnn's nearest to me is fairly lame in both categories, but it's clear that other people have had different experiences. In fact, I once visited a JoAnn's I normally don't shop at, 25 miles away from me in NE Philadelphia, and found about 2 yards of the most beautiful rust-colored silk broadcloth I have ever seen, before or since (they were having a clearance sale at the time). -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 21:36:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D1aigQ030534 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D1aFjM035058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D1aCmY029654; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D1a8Z3029613 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E3kwS-0000Uo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:35:45 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When you take an original, handwritten document and type it up keeping the original spellings, punctuations, special characters, etc. that is a transcription. When you take a work and put it into another language, eg Latin to English, that is a translation. What it is called when you take a work and put into the same language but "fix" spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare or Chaucer into modern English, Renaissance German into modern German, etc.? I thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm drawing a blank. Thanks, --Charlene -- CPR: An emergency exercise that helps concerned onlookers feel useful while the victim expires. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 21:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D1wYJf030703 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:58:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D1vqdn036573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D1vnoe038275; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D1vkfG038207 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C0E3CCA0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:57:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FD5390.4030309@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:57:36 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? References: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Charlene Charette wrote: > What it is called when you take a work and put into the same language > but "fix" spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare or Chaucer > into modern English, Renaissance German into modern German, etc.? I > thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm > drawing a blank. Not sure which word you're looking for, but here's the online thesaurus with a bunch of selections: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=translation Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 22:02:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D22mWe030736 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D22KSO036946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D21oqb040022; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D21Exf039737 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F403CCA0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:01:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FD5461.6080205@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:01:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni? References: <205.7abf517.302e9b01@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <205.7abf517.302e9b01@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > so I had to finish every seam > > > You don't anyway?????? Nope, I'm lazy. If the fabric doesn't unravel by itself I leave it. I get tired of wearing it or garment is outmoded before it ever becomes a problem. And a lot of costumes, wedding dress included, I only wear once. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 12 22:18:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D2IqEo030848 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:18:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D2ITfJ038179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D2IQAc047113; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D2IMd4047057 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.be.2ecb5ac7 (17377) for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:18:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I > thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm > drawing a blank. Not sure which word you're looking for, but here's the online thesaurus with a bunch of selections: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=translation Either "adaptation," or "rendition" from the above, sounds like what you are looking for. However, keep in mind that even a translation, or at least, a good one, requires a certain amount of skill beyond strict word-for-word rendering. For example, if an idiom is used, the good translator finds an idiom that has a similar meaning, but is not a strict translation. And thanks for the reference to the online thesaurus--a good site to know about. And reminds me, REALLY OT, of the (I think) Steve Wright question, "What's another word for thesaurus?" Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 02:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7D6hmSH005234 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:43:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7D6gjMa053997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7D6gcKk041883; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52804.mail.yahoo.com (web52804.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7D6gas3041823 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39864 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2005 06:42:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e/dNLPGZJdW//kHdmi3tCypMBd3GEn4iTenQm4NcHH0MBurGlZYlae8G8vUvo78SdWUQvWbf8xk1ANW3e0HGt9+6LL1p0+ynbBCMjTJw79v1kk94Fm4mHhcJT/wJ4Z7ZLVceTGH/zIGCyewqkLFZeeGn0wsDDCWOljdNvNVvv/Q= ; Message-ID: <20050813064231.39862.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:42:31 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you mean editing? Charlene Charette wrote: When you take an original, handwritten document and type it up keeping the original spellings, punctuations, special characters, etc. that is a transcription. When you take a work and put it into another language, eg Latin to English, that is a translation. What it is called when you take a work and put into the same language but "fix" spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare or Chaucer into modern English, Renaissance German into modern German, etc.? I thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm drawing a blank. Thanks, --Charlene -- CPR: An emergency exercise that helps concerned onlookers feel useful while the victim expires. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 08:52:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7DCqG9n002232 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7DCpikB094799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7DCpdqa059375; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7DCpYF0059322 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:51:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18107 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2005 12:51:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=38Ryw2pxOCT7zWhtuKrlBW46AkVw27fYz1xJnIu6toE8MXZp7epySZbxr1OPBVidQFgdRk7e2hwHHBW90x4EFxS5sHB303Jup4Ey+V6DPg72LiaiBtJCt+c/ilbBRXsQyhurkpYkgoEsF57EUBaE4W//soRO8jOAoEsXKADJPJ4= ; Message-ID: <20050813125129.18105.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:51:29 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1013/Fri Aug 12 15:14:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since there has been discussion about the sometimes lack of historical accuracy in movie costumes I thought this was interesting. Found it on eBay - something from an old B & W movie. Thought it might be good for a grin. http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7538331810&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 Annette M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 17:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7DLADAs006669 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:10:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7DL9a5J026759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7DL9WRI049195; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42105.mail.yahoo.com (web42105.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7DL9THI049146 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21689 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2005 21:09:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1NYj2DG+vlaaResJB5rnkVljlAtff16PShwigPJu8+U0XTiUJcxmCtcw4sdeCDr4AtvDEkfXlx5Oa519Ux3OTa+uTQ777zY/e16Sgrfjg1upJEt+lLn/6l/VWw2ZO2ceoJfUyNYhY/5oey+xwktQe7XpMRqho0tWgQ+26f7bxsE= ; Message-ID: <20050813210924.21687.qmail@web42105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:09:24 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Beauty/Beast Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The costumes were set in mid-1700 French country style. They were a joy to make and we had a wonderful team to do it. Deanna was the designer and she teaches at BYU. I learned lots from her as well as from Priscilla, who was the first hand on this show. The other team was working on Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Kathy was the designer for that show and she hails from UOP. We had some wonderful fabrics from L.A. fabric district, Thai Silks, New York and other places I can't remember right now. If any of you come to the St.George, Utah area give me a call. You can crash at my place, and the Shakespeare Fest is up the road. The Fest and Tuachan both run from June to October. Jodi --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 18:20:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7DMK5Wr007090 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:20:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7DMJGbf035458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7DMJ8c5074772; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7DETmuD091991 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E3x1A-000352-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:29:48 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050813092829.093de5e8@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:29:07 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200508121800.j7CI0H7N067422@net.indra.com> References: <200508121800.j7CI0H7N067422@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1015/Sat Aug 13 05:30:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7DETmuD091991 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] CC24 Doll Competion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The rules for the Costume-Con 24 Grand Doll Costume Competition have been uploaded to the discussion group files section and should be up on the website soon. In the meantime I am posting them here for everyone's perusal. Are Doll Costume Competition directors this year are Kat Pepmiller and Michelle Clark. Pierre Grand Doll Competition The Costume-Con 24 Doll Competition is your opportunity to make that fantastic costume in your head that is too big, will take too long, or be too expensive at full size. Compete it on a doll. You may use either purchased figures or self-made figures. By purchased figure we mean the physical doll itself (a Barbie, Raggedy Ann or other doll) and you make an original costume for it. By self-made we mean you make the body of the doll as well as the costume. They may be human, humanoid, alien, animal or abstract. The costuming must be original and the focus of judging will be on the costume itself. Keep in mind that even with dolls, no costume is no costume. We will group all entries by type of figure and subject and by purchased or self-made. Typical categories will be Fantasy, Science Fiction, Historic, Theatrical and so forth. We do have two special categories. 1) The Color Challenge. This is a special category designed to spark your creativity by limiting your color palette. Here's how it works. You will send to me two numbers of your choice between 1 and 20. I have a random list of colors which will correspond to these numbers. Your two numbers will determine your palette, which I will send to you. Once you have your colors you must design your doll using only those colors. You may use shades of your color within reason. For example if you get red as one of your colors, you may use scarlet or crimson, but not pink. In addition, you may use natural flesh tones or hair colors regardless of your palette. However, if you wish to use non-natural flesh or hair, it must conform to your palette. We hope you will enjoy this special category. 2) Theme Challenge – Following in the steps of the Future Folio, we would like to officially encourage and recognize designs based on the redesigning of a feature film. Judging results will be announced at the Historic masquerade. You must be at least a supporting member to enter. If you have an entry, but are not coming to the convention, please try to send your work with an attendee, who can personally deliver and return it. You may enter more than one doll, but please check on space availability if you have several dolls, larger dolls or a diorama. Your doll must be on display no later than noon Saturday for judging, though Friday morning is preferred. If you have a problem, please let us know. It will help to organize space if you pre-register your entry with the Doll Competition Director. You can also ask questions and let me know if you have any special display needs. While regular doll contest entries do not HAVE to pre-register, Color Challenge entries MUST pre-register. Also, if you are planning to attend, have experience in doll work, but for whatever reason are not presenting this year, and last but not least, would consider judging, please let us know. For pre-registration, questions, or to send your two numbers for the Color Challenge, contact us at: Michelle Clark 777 Aurora Ave, St Paul MN 55104 mborzoi@hotmail.com 651-263-0213 or Kat Pepmiller 316 W 64th St, Richfield MN 55423 nekosan@cfaith.com Please make sure you refer to the convention in the subject line of your email. We want to avoid filtering requests out. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 18:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7DMLGjw007094 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7DMK8hm035538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7DMK7Dd075172; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7DKxip3045572 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20863 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2005 20:59:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nMKLWPmdJhEpD9iHpaxJXqRNU4qo1KD7YucsfcBAs803Mp6TKXcXnAvWYwZ531T24vek7RBYUxGBUD4Q03wwO3RWLzat6ljBrXl9gEaoWnOOuQLwQJH+j9cgNALTIjLsfwvnGg0jDa8TrXElqOqtUGcUNtZtvc5lzmpPElyuV0k= ; Message-ID: <20050813205939.20861.qmail@web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:59:39 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think this is the term you are looking for, but when you take something written in a different alphabet (like Hebrew, for instance) and you put it in our alphbet, it's called transliteration. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 13 20:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7E0oo7j008387 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7E0o9JP052183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7E0o5fP033186; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7E0o312033162 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:50:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=gu9EVV0/h6ohibcMd47BGBsaSI5mS68dZHUfWKT98HxAo24GA1Oh2GMrVPoQ0Zjg; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.238.31.149] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E46hO-0001ON-B5 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:50:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> References: <42FD4E71.8030409@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:44:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ca9eed5a3f1e15dc089245731b230cb26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.238.31.149 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1016/Sat Aug 13 14:25:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:35 PM -0500 8/12/05, Charlene Charette wrote: >What it is called when you take a work and put into the same >language but "fix" spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare >or Chaucer into modern English, Renaissance German into modern >German, etc.? I thought there was another term for this, other than >translation, but I'm drawing a blank. At least when discussing how personal names are treated, onomasticists call it "normalization." This means putting words into a standard modern form -- one that will seem "normal" to readers. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 11:57:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EFvaa1029614 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:57:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EFuV0H025521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EFuQsK043988; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EFuKDu043935 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3C93CCA5 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FF69AA.6020609@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:56:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can buy the wide muslin at the Joann's website, and they've been having 50% online coupon codes at the site lately, so you might get it half price to boot. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 12:06:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EG62hQ029763 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EG5ZID026184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:05:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EG5YuW047562; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EG5VBs047523 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-24-1-87-128.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.87.128]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050814160526015004ltu8e>; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: <00cc01c5a0e9$fd8bf840$0300a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net><200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> <42FF69AA.6020609@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:05:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But is it Joann's brand or the one they are talking about on the list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) > You can buy the wide muslin at the Joann's website, and they've been > having 50% online coupon codes at the site lately, so you might get it > half price to boot. > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 12:22:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EGMvHc030007 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:22:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EGMMda027158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EGMLHB053764; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7EGMH4f053728 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 25266 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2005 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:21:37 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1039.67.188.164.116.1124036537.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <00cc01c5a0e9$fd8bf840$0300a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net><200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> <42FF69AA.6020609@reddawn.net> <00cc01c5a0e9$fd8bf840$0300a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1017/Sun Aug 14 03:33:43 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Muslin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did some looking around at the local quilting shops and found a few companies that make muslin. I was wondering if anybody had preferences for any of these.... Roclon (only seen at regular fabric stores, not quilting stores) Moda muslin P & B textiles muslin Home on the Range muslin I think all of these companies make muslin in at leat 90" width and some of them have 108" width. Can anybody comment on the quality and/or price of these? If you can speak to the quality of any of these, please let me know also. Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 13:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EH2qrB030642 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EH21rp029639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EH1vPp068445; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EH1m5K068363 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84613CCA5 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:01:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42FF78FF.8000702@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:01:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) References: <081120052037.12753.42FBB724000B6176000031D122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net><200508122052.59727.cathy@thyrsus.com> <42FF69AA.6020609@reddawn.net> <00cc01c5a0e9$fd8bf840$0300a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <00cc01c5a0e9$fd8bf840$0300a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1018/Sun Aug 14 10:05:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1018/Sun Aug 14 10:05:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks like the Roc-lon product in the pictures and descriptions. I cannot match up any product numbers, however, and I have no way of knowing if they are substituting the new brand or not. Or if it even exists. I asked at my local store yesterday and was told they haven't been told anything about it. (not saying the new muslin story isn't true, but I've heard all kinds of sewing rumors on the internet that turn out to be false) Mostly I wanted to point out that staple products like muslin can be ordered when the local supply is gone. (Although on second look, they are charging $3.30/yd for the muslin that sells for $1.99 in the store, and even the online 'sale' price of $2.30/yd is no bargain by comparison -- especially after $12 shipping.) Dawn Chiara Francesca wrote: > But is it Joann's brand or the one they are talking about on the list? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) > > >> You can buy the wide muslin at the Joann's website, and they've been >> having 50% online coupon codes at the site lately, so you might get it >> half price to boot. >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 14:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EI5QHS031479 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EI4bLr033989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EI4YSV092344; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EI4TVB092285 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050814180424012005i8epe>; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:04:24 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:04:23 -0400 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42FCC200.5000404@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1018/Sun Aug 14 10:05:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1018/Sun Aug 14 10:05:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sari vendors (was Re: Indian Fabric Stores) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are hunting for beautiful saris on-line, some in the 9-yard length, most handloomed, mostly cotton and silk, plus draping information, cholis, petticoats, and veils, DO visit http://www.sarisafari.com. She has the best quality I've found, and I'm encouraging her to stock more things that suit various historical-costuming tastes. By the way, for anyone looking for Indian block-print yard goods with 18th-century compatible prints, contact *me.* I am slowly developing sources for importing them, and have about a dozen different prints at this time. I haven't got a Web site set up but I have scans of the fabrics I can send you. Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 15:29:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EJSxmp032009 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EJRnNt038691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EJRjUo024126; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EJRfkm024079 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A897ABFD65 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:27:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42FF9B2A.2080306@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:27:38 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks!!! Bustle gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thank you all for helping me making my bustle gown a succes! I am very happy with it. We had our archery competition in an openair museum and they sayd that it would rain. But luckely it didn't! I got al lot of nice comments on my dress and a lot of people who took a picture of me. And I won fhirst price in the lady's archery competition. :-) At the bottom of the page you can see me shooting. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 16:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7EK7h0D032350 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7EK7Bbu040646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EK79x2038630; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7EK76xc038609 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-16583); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:07:05 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:06:59 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050814130531.03148a20@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:06:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks!!! Bustle gown In-Reply-To: <42FF9B2A.2080306@kabelfoon.nl> References: <42FF9B2A.2080306@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You look lovely. I like the color combination. And the cute backpack ;-). Joan At 12:27 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thank you all for helping me making my bustle gown a succes! >I am very happy with it. >We had our archery competition in an openair museum and they sayd >that it would rain. >But luckely it didn't! >I got al lot of nice comments on my dress and a lot of people who >took a picture of me. >And I won fhirst price in the lady's archery competition. :-) >At the bottom of the page you can see me shooting. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 14 17:27:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ELR22v000698 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:27:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ELOvOK048222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ELOrTM066473; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ELOn6M066415 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005081421244401300ogqs1e>; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:24:44 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.112; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:24:43 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:24:43 +0000 Message-Id: <081420052124.3553.42FFB69B00035A6800000DE122007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1019/Sun Aug 14 11:07:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoa!!!! I'm Elena o' Tighearnaigh (SCA name)... The email that is being replied to below by this poster is NOT FROM ME! The entirety of what I wrote is: "Wow! I was at my local Joanne's (Everett, Washington USA) and they had *whole* bolts of the 90" and 120. Where are you located?" I've not been following this thread until I happned to see this...Since I go to Joanne's alot because I'm also really into Quilting, I certainly wouldn't badmouth this chain. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > On Thursday 11 August 2005 4:37 pm, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > [snip] > > > > I don't hate JoAnn's as many people do. I'm lucky enough to live in a > > > big city where there are lots of other places to go for the fabrics > > > that JoAnn's doesn't carry. > > I wouldn't badmouth the entire JoAnn's chain, because people's comments on > this list suggest that individual JoAnn's stores vary greatly in the size and > variety of their fabric selection and the intelligence and usefulness of > their employees. The JoAnn's nearest to me is fairly lame in both > categories, but it's clear that other people have had different experiences. > In fact, I once visited a JoAnn's I normally don't shop at, 25 miles away > from me in NE Philadelphia, and found about 2 yards of the most beautiful > rust-colored silk broadcloth I have ever seen, before or since (they were > having a clearance sale at the time). > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by > entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going > to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 14:31:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FIVu7Q012695 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FIUm7T061093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FITfxg028836; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FITIte028365 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id F14D318001DF for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:29:12 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Aug 2005 18:29:12 -0000 Received: by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B0F19E5BC8; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:29:12 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:29:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 517 Received: from [149.169.167.183] by ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:29:12 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.167.183 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050815182912.B0F19E5BC8@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7FITIte028365 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Do you know of any good sources of authentic Indian patterns? I > know Folkwear has a few, but didn't know if there was anything else > out there. I've been trying to find a pattern for an authentic > wedding sari suit; I don't know if there is an official name for it. By "authentic" do you mean historical or do you mean, "like the ones worn in India today"? If the former, there are a few patterns or rather directions for pattern drafting avalible on the web. If the latter, then Folkwear will do pretty well. Of course, having been drafted some years ago, the Folkwear patterns are likely to be out of style. I'm not sure what you mean by "wedding sari suit", could you describe the outfit? -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 14:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FIcoEx012788 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FIcLuL062117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FIcIsu035199; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web40427.mail.yahoo.com (web40427.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7FEadNg055170 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78985 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2005 14:36:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gpQet6KP0WFgqQjb638gPCAMIbKFT5cZ0rnWnCfVUD6vpLGLT+DPMl6HRnGw8SxEgIkaylYHqjM9KYa6S7ru15iZW0EoZ3K/oR/dmmfa/Q+KMLGoW0l7slHAyaH1zxkqneMq8EOSbvgmE6tAIaYjLcDsg3bXFDPt7HwzCN+L3HU= ; Message-ID: <20050815143633.78983.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web40427.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:36:33 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508081312.j78DBiIV079723@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1022/Mon Aug 15 04:03:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: on-line silk fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm waaay behind on the list, so this has probably already been brought up, but Silk Connection has noile for as cheap as $2/yd. http://www.silkconnection.com/products/fabric/silk/noil/ ~mary http://www.quite-contrary.org/ > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:13:05 -0400 > From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" > Subject: [h-cost] on-line silk fabric > > Had a computer crash this year and subsequently lost all my > favourite > websites. Ever since I've been looking for a particular on-line > silk > supplier for either noile or shot dupioni. All I can recall was the > prices > were ridiculously reasonable, especially at the quantities I was > looking at > purchasing. (30 yards +) > > I've been to Denver, Dharma, G&S, Thai and none of them seem to > be the > company where I'd found wonderful colours of noile for around > $4.00/yd. > > Any ideas, oh great hoarders of fabric? :-) > > Regards > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; > embroidery > supplies, and more. > www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org > 519-799-5577 > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 15:05:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FJ54Ir013026 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FJ4SLU065233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FJ4PFY053933; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FJ4F8J053753 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id BBC661800205 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:04:09 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Aug 2005 19:04:09 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B4AC8CA0B0; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:04:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores Received: from [149.169.167.183] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:04:09 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.167.183 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050815190409.B4AC8CA0B0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7FJ4F8J053753 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wendy wrote: > > I am interested in both the Sari/Saree and the Lehenga; I'm sure > I'll get around to the Salwar Kameez (they look so comfortable). Most lenghas are simply unshaped drawstring skirts. What makes them is the fabric and ornamentation. I think that there are some very high fashion ones that are along the lines of a circle skirt. The blouses worn with lenghas are a often a bit different than the ones worn with saris. I don't know of anyone who has a pattern, your best bet might be to find one that fits and reverse engineer it. > > Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a > really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping > there was a simple step-by-step website out there. Yep, it is indeed a long regtangle. Modern saris are usually worn with a petticoat, which is just a tube of fabric with a drawstring waist. Sometimes there will be a ruffle at the bottom. As far as directions on draping a sari, googling "How to wear a sari" will come up with several site that will show how to drape a modern nivi sari. There is a good set of directions on: www.sarisafari.com which also sells beautiful saris at reasonable prices. There is also a nice set of instructions on the Institue for Draped Clothing's website, which I belive is: www.idc.org They also sell a book _The Sari: An illustrated guide to the art of Indian draping_ that has a vast number of sari drapes, if you get really into draping. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 16:51:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FKpRN9014976 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FKjbqB078202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FJ92kK057213; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7FHJebh075402 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80445 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2005 17:19:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WXa437HZJIPCtDPNwerPk1buHk5TppD0W+8fszK0klAoxMx2u9eMf7aqqf4WEOW7V5gxcsfcnKGNOfzIejAIw2t/ZeytelTW2QvhylFSFzgZcpxYRDUuKuCd4J6MDlRhWZpCekKCUpu6K7WUkrI6Rpo3i6+W7pjaUvERtCjbEb0= ; Message-ID: <20050815171934.80443.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:19:34 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks!!! Bustle gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050814130531.03148a20@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1022/Mon Aug 15 04:03:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations!!! LOVE the dress on you. Obviously not to much difficulty shooting with a corset on? Chris G. Joan Jurancich wrote: You look lovely. I like the color combination. And the cute backpack ;-). Joan >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 16:51:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FKpRdu014975 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FKjbqD078202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FIrC7l045824; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FFYiDQ093747 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFFE4197B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb41.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42ffc913.f43c for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DALYFJGdg2QIAAAAB,c06afd146bda1e0868f86d0abe138a84 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050815083429.B7291D35@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1022/Mon Aug 15 04:03:07 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a length of what sounds like the same silk on layby. If it is the same, yes, isn't it gorgeous. Strangely enough, the name of the colour is 'Peacock'! :-) I'm going to make my posh ECW gown out of it. Joannah. --- Kahlara wrote: From: Kahlara Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:01:47 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Osnaburg (& silk question) Hello, I found this definition - Osnaburg: A plainly woven cotton fabric with small flecks of cotton stalks remaining within the weave. Its appearance is similar to a coarse muslin. Sounds like flour sacking material to me. I found some gorgeous peacock blue silk - with a shimmer that changes color from the greenish to blueish peacock range depending on the angle of the light. I thought it would make a beautiful skirt lining or something? Would something like this be too OOP? (if it is, I think I'll add it to my collection anyway, but it would be nice to have an excuse) Annette M (someday I hope I can contribute as much as I get from here) --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 19:11:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FNB85R016173 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:11:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7FN9ojI094829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7FN9fKR044600; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7FN9cpc044516 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBSCJEHATS7K72 for (sender ); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:08:55 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7ypmeoPGyuoOH37FkE/XxqPZVv6TK1XqjA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K2GVG9MV; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:08:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:06:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks!!! Bustle gown Message-ID: <20050815.180628.-699387.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1057055384 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1023/Mon Aug 15 14:15:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1023/Mon Aug 15 14:15:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The dress looks terrific, and many congratulations on winning first in the competition! Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 15 23:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7G3CbFp017752 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7G3BCnC015152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7G3B4WI058634; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7G3B0Z0058586 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shilo@srclink.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.225.181.93]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050816031048.YILN28616.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:10:48 -0400 Message-ID: <4301592F.2050403@srclink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:10:39 -0400 From: Sharon Rust-Ryburn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200508141800.j7EI03LS090644@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200508141800.j7EI03LS090644@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1023/Mon Aug 15 14:15:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1023/Mon Aug 15 14:15:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Muslin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My bit of retail shop experience (not a chain store): Wide goods 106 - 118" $10.98 - 13.98/yd. I don't know actual thread counts. P&B Textiles - 108" some of it feels pretty good, some feels like it probably has an additional finish. It is not as high a thread count as their 45" $5.98/yd in the same line - Color Spectrum. RJR makes some pretty nice wide goods in tonals. I don't know if their solid color is as good a quality. Robert Kaufman - 118" cotton poplin - nice Fabri-Quilt - 108" muslin - not bad - & - 118" cotton sateen - pretty nice Given a choice from what I am familiar with, I would go with the cotton sateen or the cotton poplin. Megh E. Message: 6 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: [h-cost] Muslin To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <1039.67.188.164.116.1124036537.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I did some looking around at the local quilting shops and found a few companies that make muslin. I was wondering if anybody had preferences for any of these.... Roclon (only seen at regular fabric stores, not quilting stores) Moda muslin P & B textiles muslin Home on the Range muslin I think all of these companies make muslin in at leat 90" width and some of them have 108" width. Can anybody comment on the quality and/or price of these? If you can speak to the quality of any of these, please let me know also. Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 11:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GFZfcG022046 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GFYjSZ088405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GFYLVA082465; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GFYFAV082378 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD0645198 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.430178d6.c2a1 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DAgd3FLBlzwIAAAAB,7bc7e37f01d223273137f53af67b0ec7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050816083415.BDBFB178@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mia, < and red North Carolina Mud. < Sounds like red Toowoomba mud! :-) I got a spot about 1" diameter on a white skirt once, and 10 years later you could STILL see the stain. There is actually someone in Brisbane who has a market stall selling t-shirts and things which have been dyed in earth pigments. I bet they take a loooong time to fade. Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 13:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GH5Oqu022909 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:05:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GH4XpR099240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GH3oNv052422; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GH3Wr1052180 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanne.willis@verizon.net) Received: from youro0kwkw9jwc ([71.102.245.90]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ILB00ATURDUYTO0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:03:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:03:30 -0700 From: "Jeanne Willis" To: Message-id: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7GH5Oqu022909 Status: RO I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 13:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GHH4AV023079 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GHGR9l000677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHFwrb062093; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHEbVx060907 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95AA3191AE for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43021EF3.3000807@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:14:27 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Those are not elisabethan. They are 18th en 19th century corsets. And I think the boning would bee steel wich you can also cut to lengt. The pattern for the 18th century corset is taken from Corsets an Crinolines but they adapted the schoulder straps. The best pattern I used for a 16th century corset is From Patterns of Fashion frm Janet Arnold. You can see pictures somewhere on this page. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html Jeanne Willis wrote: >I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > >Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 13:35:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GHZEJQ023296 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:35:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GHYeRx002607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHYXjb075883; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHYSFE075768 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2453CCAA for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:34:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <430223CF.3020808@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:35:11 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeanne Willis wrote: > I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. View A & B are front and back lacing variations on 18th century (American Revolutionary War) era stays, while views C & D are 19th century (Victorian) corsets. I don't know of a commercial (big 3) pattern for an Elizabethan era corset. Standard plastic boning works if you use enough of it. Otherwise it may not give you much support at your size. I would look into supplementing the plastic with a couple of good steel bones at key support places like the front and back. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 13:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GHuquO023466 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GHuKeM005459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHuA7G093294; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GHtmSt092931 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:55:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.230]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050816175542.XYDY11463.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c5a28b$088adfc0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:50:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Willis" I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ Try this website for information and materials: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 14:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GIpij8023928 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GIQIrx008554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GIQELX015506; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GIQAj0015362 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050816182600.IVO2986.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:26:00 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050816182559.XKVO24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050816182559.XKVO24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katie - I guess I'm looking for both, I'd like to compare the differences. The wedding sari suit is probably just a more ornate (if that is possible) that a daily outfit. It may sound stupid, but I was watching a movie, Bend it Like Beckham (or Kick it Like Beckham in the UK), and I absolutely fell in love with the red outfit that the main character, Jess, wore. My terminology may be off, but I thought they called it a suit. Oh well, I'll have to do some more searching online. Thanks, Wendi > > > By "authentic" do you mean historical or do you mean, "like the ones worn in India today"? If the former, there are a few patterns or rather directions for pattern drafting avalible on the web. If the latter, then Folkwear will do pretty well. Of course, having been drafted some years ago, the Folkwear patterns are likely to be out of style. > I'm not sure what you mean by "wedding sari suit", could you describe the outfit? > > -Katie > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 14:54:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GIs3TN023948 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GIRUHZ008666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GIRMOt016448; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GIRIUB016283 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050816182709.LAH2986.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:27:09 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050816182709.XLLW24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:27:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:27:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050816182709.XLLW24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katie - Thanks for the information! Wendi > Wendy wrote: > > > > I am interested in both the Sari/Saree and the Lehenga; I'm sure > > I'll get around to the Salwar Kameez (they look so comfortable). > > Most lenghas are simply unshaped drawstring skirts. What makes them is the fabric and ornamentation. I think that there are some very high fashion ones that are along the lines of a circle skirt. The blouses worn with lenghas are a often a bit different than the ones worn with saris. I don't know of anyone who has a pattern, your best bet might be to find one that fits and reverse engineer it. > > > > Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a > > really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping > > there was a simple step-by-step website out there. > > Yep, it is indeed a long regtangle. Modern saris are usually worn with a petticoat, which is just a tube of fabric with a drawstring waist. Sometimes there will be a ruffle at the bottom. > As far as directions on draping a sari, googling "How to wear a sari" will come up with several site that will show how to drape a modern nivi sari. There is a good set of directions on: > www.sarisafari.com > which also sells beautiful saris at reasonable prices. > There is also a nice set of instructions on the Institue for Draped Clothing's website, which I belive is: > www.idc.org > They also sell a book _The Sari: An illustrated guide to the art of Indian draping_ that has a vast number of sari drapes, if you get really into draping. > > -Katie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:06:27 -0500 > From: Karen R Bergquist > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks!!! Bustle gown > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <20050815.180628.-699387.0.penhalion@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The dress looks terrific, and many congratulations on winning first in > the competition! > > > Karen > Seamstrix > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:10:39 -0400 > From: Sharon Rust-Ryburn > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Muslin > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <4301592F.2050403@srclink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My bit of retail shop experience (not a chain store): Wide goods 106 - 118" $10.98 - 13.98/yd. I don't know actual thread counts. > > P&B Textiles - 108" some of it feels pretty good, some feels like it probably has an additional finish. It is not as high a thread count as their 45" $5.98/yd in the same line - Color Spectrum. > RJR makes some pretty nice wide goods in tonals. I don't know if their solid color is as good a quality. > Robert Kaufman - 118" cotton poplin - nice > Fabri-Quilt - 108" muslin - not bad - & - 118" cotton sateen - pretty nice > > Given a choice from what I am familiar with, I would go with the cotton sateen or the cotton poplin. > > Megh E. > > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: [h-cost] Muslin > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <1039.67.188.164.116.1124036537.squirrel@www.inreach.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > I did some looking around at the local quilting shops and found a few > companies that make muslin. I was wondering if anybody had preferences > for any of these.... > > Roclon (only seen at regular fabric stores, not quilting stores) > Moda muslin > P & B textiles muslin > Home on the Range muslin > > I think all of these companies make muslin in at leat 90" width and some > of them have 108" width. Can anybody comment on the quality and/or price > of these? If you can speak to the quality of any of these, please let me > know also. > > Thanks! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joannah Hansen > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20050816083415.BDBFB178@dm22.mta.everyone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Mia, > > < > and red North Carolina Mud. > < > > Sounds like red Toowoomba mud! :-) I got a spot about 1" diameter on a white skirt once, and 10 years later you could STILL see the stain. > > There is actually someone in Brisbane who has a market stall selling t-shirts and things which have been dyed in earth pigments. I bet they take a loooong time to fade. > > Joannah. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:03:30 -0700 > From: "Jeanne Willis" > Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:09:26 -0500 > From: "kim baird" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <000001c5a285$41a7e740$6601a8c0@kimathlon> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I like to use the plastic whalebone I get from Grannd Garb. See their > web page: > > http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/ > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Jeanne Willis > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:04 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > > > I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. > Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is > what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume > that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm > a plus size hour glass type figure. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:14:27 +0200 > From: Deredere Galbraith > Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <43021EF3.3000807@kabelfoon.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Those are not elisabethan. > They are 18th en 19th century corsets. > And I think the boning would bee steel wich you can also cut to lengt. > The pattern for the 18th century corset is taken from Corsets an > Crinolines but they adapted the schoulder straps. > > The best pattern I used for a 16th century corset is From Patterns of > Fashion frm Janet Arnold. > You can see pictures somewhere on this page. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html > > > Jeanne Willis wrote: > > >I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > > >Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:35:11 -0500 > From: Dawn > Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <430223CF.3020808@reddawn.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Jeanne Willis wrote: > > > I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > > > Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. > > View A & B are front and back lacing variations on 18th century > (American Revolutionary War) era stays, while views C & D are 19th > century (Victorian) corsets. I don't know of a commercial (big 3) > pattern for an Elizabethan era corset. > > Standard plastic boning works if you use enough of it. Otherwise it may > not give you much support at your size. I would look into supplementing > the plastic with a couple of good steel bones at key support places like > the front and back. > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:50:35 -0400 > From: "Shane & Sheridan" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <002901c5a28b$088adfc0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne Willis" > > I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. > Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what > type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that > it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a > plus size hour glass type figure. > _______________________________________________ > > Try this website for information and materials: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ > > Sheridan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 529 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 15:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GJ9QSr024128 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GJ89i1013240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GJ71FI045805; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7GJ6rfO045645 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36306 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2005 19:06:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GEzv6YMYe/PaCIDnxcuLU7dkPpbE64FM6u+oi50uwVKKT8NfonlSLZTQJ/nFVLiGaUE0BRMTMa/yUMASY8bkKbMHLRzETQuRQuPErfLT2QhBshHrQwuqMmOOydEu87iIooaVpyylUrCyNqnvV/9aA0VJOmSuCK9ZZNcYK9i0YZw= ; Message-ID: <20050816190647.36304.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:47 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508161805.j7GI3bHr098848@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: corset boning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Willis Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I've used cable ties from the Home Depot, plastic bonig from the sewing store, 1/4" wide thin metal stays/boning and and 1/4" wide basket caning. All have worked on my subtantial figure. And these have all been fully boned. I like the basket caning best. It breathes, something to consider if you are in the southland of anywhere. A friends has also used cording on her set. They definatelly support her less than mine do! And let me know how these stays come out for you. They are on the top of the pile for my next project. The shape looks good, for Am Rev War,/ Late 18th cent, I have mara rileys notes on how to convert from BIG PATTERN COMPANY to a more authentic construction, The pattern only cost me $1.99 and I want to see how my abilitymeasure up (ha Ha) to the Big Pattern Company's professional pattern makers and their grading skills I'm thinking of only half boning them, and perhaps using one of those coil steel bones across the top. My last pair that I made, wool covered, bound with leather (chamois) came out great I will be wearing them when our Rev War regiment return to Eng. and we get to be "colorful replicas of England Past" on Staurda and Sunday, Sept. 10-11. in Lichfield Eng. Mia in Charlotte NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 15:58:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GJwFRI024521 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:58:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GJukTA018742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GJtv42081045; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GJGmNF053483 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7GJGlck005032 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:16:48 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.34.109] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-34-109.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.34.109]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GJGbau388790 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:16:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050816121341.033ad960@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:17:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a >plus size hour glass type figure. Not too tight is the only suggestion I can make. Remember your diaphragm and treat it kindly. I made the 18th century corset from this pattern, and solidly boned it with giant plastic cable ties. It worked fine, and I'm a dress size 22. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 16:40:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GKeJmM024881 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GKcAKk023781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GKZvha011006; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:36:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.178] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GJOB5a058528 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D533C83A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:17:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72C701509D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:17:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do not know your sewing skills but if they are fairly good perhaps you might try http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm or http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html Both are excellent. Lyse -----Original Message----- I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 17:32:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GLWUNn025330 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:32:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GLDmpB028335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GLDj1E038824; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GLDaKJ038628 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LRXH2Y3JKW962SZK@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:13:25 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LRXH2XSNDG963C0G@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:13:25 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:15:46 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset In-reply-to: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43025782.5090309@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1025/Tue Aug 16 14:43:41 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1025/Tue Aug 16 14:43:41 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeanne Willis wrote: >I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. > > Those corsets aren't Elizibethan-- they're 18th and 19th century. Have you had a look at http://costume.dm.net ? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 18:20:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7GMKeSf025656 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:20:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7GMFrqS035339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GH9pLG057216; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7GH9Xs4056875 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.251.184]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 28414661 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:31:03 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:09:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c5a285$41a7e740$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 129, in=109, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.251.184 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like to use the plastic whalebone I get from Grannd Garb. See their web page: http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/ Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Willis Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 20:18:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H0IK9O026582 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H0GAu7045998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H0G6CD055581; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H0G3VS055530 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so89591nzd for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Nn4S/XDqLZ3yBkeX5ZLtEja77pvC+8jO73Yjhd7RlT0LcgSthSZsM6ddwUfQIgaxCLHOQpW4a1eraeE+8N0tD7/ADDDDTZ7ToyT8h5JFckWItKMmLD4OoQGUV+M26UrTaxH+K9s34DyvhnJQzRr/5Wgw2gSJO++cVxgz7C5hRjo= Received: by 10.36.215.11 with SMTP id n11mr66762nzg; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:15:54 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7H0G3VS055530 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset >I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is >anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The >pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it >to length. That patt looks like mid 17th c to 1890 to me. As Eliz died in 1603, it's not very Elizabethan. I strongly suggest the Dorothea Sabina corset in Arnold's Patts of Fashion or Drea Leed's copy of the Elizabeth effigy corset. Both look remarkably different from the models shown in the Butterick patt. Also, fashionwise, "Elizabethan" covers a wide & varied span, 60+ years. Decide what year(s) you're doing before picking a patt. >Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus > size hour glass type figure. I assume "plus size" means something like generously proportioned. In which case, I'd steer you toward steel. It's all about the support. I'm a small B and I use steel. What's traditional? Whalebone, "bents" (a kind of swamp grass, I think) and wood for the busk, tho I have some period commentaries that hint variously at steel for either boning or busk. I'm currently using a wooden busk for my very late Elizahoovian. Someone else mention Corsets & Crinolines. Yes, absolutely. Good material in there. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 20:53:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H0rYbO026799 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H0qxMJ048720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H0qvQb073254; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H0qraO073179 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:52:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.f6.56bba490 (3699) for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:52:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/16/2005 5:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: http://costume.dm.net The corset generator is very good....and the instructions for realizing the corsets are also quite thorough. The only thing I would change is I would split the pattern and inch and a half or two inches back from where a normal side seam would fall [or near this place that the boning pattern easily allows and put the CB on the straight of grain....letting this sorta side back seam be off grain and the CF and CB on the straight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 21:04:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H14BJF026880 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H13g3h049601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H13eSY078179; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H13Ppg078014 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050817010319.JYED1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:03:19 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.177.179]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050817010319.WVUL1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:03:19 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.10]); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:03:26 +1200 Message-ID: <004501c5a2c7$79077290$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> <430223CF.3020808@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:03:25 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Standard plastic boning works if you use enough of it. Otherwise it may > not give you much support at your size. This is the important thing so many people seem to forget. The stays or partial stays we have extant are fully boned. Each bone sewn right up against the next. This is how whale bone (nb: for those who don't know, baleen with is not bonelike at all but a very relatively soft material when cut into strips, it can also be steamed into shape) can be used in corsetry. I would also recommend the effigy stays as a model. I am rather hourglass shaped so I find untabbed stays dig in terribly at the waist. The tabs reduce the hourglass shape somewhat, but the pressure is taken off the waist (and lower back especially) and more evenly distributed. It's probably a good idea for the tabs to be all in one with the body rather than cut seperately, easier for getting the boning into the tabs for sure. Butterick stays are indeed 18th to 19thC. However if you have the pattern already, you can ignore the boning lines to make view a or b more like the effigy stays. A bit of tweaking of the neckline would help as well. http://costume.dm.net/corsets/history.html Drea Leed has a photo on her site you could use as a guideline, as well as her step by step detail of how she made hers. http://costume.dm.net/effigy.htm There are many of us who have made these stays that can offer advice. For me I made the stays pretty much as they were with the very long point in front and large tabs all around the waist. I used over 100 narrow cable ties of various lengths, the longest of which were 45cm (18") I made mine from fustian, but I guess the weave is too loose as there are bits of bone poking me in some places. So I'm going to over sew some fine closely woven silk over the top. Probably just laying it flat wover the existing seams so that the fronts are on the bias to give it some stretch like the fustian has anyway. I think it will be in a purple;) Or a pale pink. I think pale pink would be good. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/16thunderwear.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm (though most of the stays information is near the start of the diary (around July 2004) The pattern goes together really easily as well, and the shape you get is dependant on the direction of the bones. I want to do a show and tell of how the direction of the bones affects the shape (diagonal makes a much rounder shape across the belly for instance.) I don't know if there is any way to make the drafting easier. I just used the image in Corsets and Cinolines blown up to a size where I could more accurately work out the pattern pieces. I'm larger than the original, by about 10 inches at the waist, though really 8 once you actually lace properly. The shape is also very comfortable, for a given value of comfort. I found it more comfortable than any corsetry from the 18thC, 19thC or other stays I have made/used. The cable ties also helped in that, because of their softness. I got a good rigid shape, but my ribs didn't feel like they were being compressed. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 21:40:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H1e4pl027048 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:40:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H1dXBI052099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H1dTN5093684; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H1dPqI093655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-214-247-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.247]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7H1dMqc008663; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:39:24 +1000 Message-ID: <009b01c5a2cc$6432b500$f7d6f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "reenactment ladies" , "historic costume" Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:38:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was just looking at the Simplicity website and it appears that there's another Martha McCain ACW pattern #4400 out it's a basic dart fitted bodice (it looks like the same bodice as the last pattern #4510) with a plain skirt and two new sleeve variations (and possibly 2 different collars I'm not sure). If I recall correctly this was due to be the last of the 1860s patterns and the designer is now moving on to 18th century. I'm tempted to grab all of these last three patterns (4551, 4510 & 4400) next time I see a buy 1 get 2 free sale on Simplicity patterns (we don't get $1.99 sales over here it's either 50% off or buy 1 get 2 free), I love the sleeve variations, it just adds so much diversity to your wardrobe. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 21:53:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H1r5Vi027136 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H1qZoZ053087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H1qYtK099638; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dreadnought.concentric.com (dreadnought.concentric.com [207.155.248.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H1qU3F099603 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-2.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.2]) by dreadnought.concentric.com id VAA14800; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:52:28 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508170152.VAA14800@dreadnought.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:52:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWgBfJH/PDo5HKySXiq66Ur/eIRYgCx9kVw In-Reply-To: <200508131251.j7DCpe27059385@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Editing is probably the most accurate word. I call it word smithing and it's been a big part of my job. Sometimes it even involves translation, like when converting "Chinglish" or "Spanglish" to standard English ;-) Julie -----Original Message----- Do you mean editing? What it is called when you take a work and put into the same language but "fix" spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare or Chaucer into modern English, Renaissance German into modern German, etc.? I thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm drawing a blank. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 16 23:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H35LZi027540 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H34TaZ058725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H34PCP033795; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H34K0j033745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-214-247-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.247]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7H34HvP024950 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:04:19 +1000 Message-ID: <00a601c5a2d8$40c33de0$f7d6f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5a284$6df961d0$5af56647@youro0kwkw9jwc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:03:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Willis" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset >I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this >pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a >plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. >Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. I'm going to disagree with everyone else here and say, even though it is 18th century the lines are not so dramatically different from an Elizabethan corset that people will notice underneath your gown. I'm halfway through making this pattern as an 18th century corset using cable ties (which are roughly the same strength as the rigilene you buy at the fabric shop) but I've filled in as many gaps as I can with extra boning channels. I'm also using a steel busk in the centre front (http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spring_steel_bones.php #50-8518-27 through to 50-8518-36) which I used in my first Elizabethan corset based on Drea Aleed's corset pattern generator (I had replaced my steel busk with a wooden one so I had a spare busk lying around). So you can use plastic boning if the corset is fully boned and you have a couple of stronger bones placed in strategic places like the centre front and beside the laces (in the 18th century this was achieved with thicker pieces of whalebone so instead of buying steel boning you could just stack 2 or 3 layers of plastic boning in one channel) If I were using this pattern for a 16th century corset the only major change I'd make would be to make all of the boning channels vertical (as you can see in the two surviving 16th century corsets) as that will help to reduce the prominent bust that was popular in the 18th century (the ideal was a small waist, cleavage and a narrow back though this pattern gives you more room in the back to allow for the freedom of movement modern people expect). There are other alterations you can do to this pattern but would take less effort to draft your own using either Drea Aleed's corset pattern generator (I've got a similar size 18-20 hourglass to pear shaped figure and I find shoulder straps and boned tabs is the most comfortable style, but you need to raise the back to stop the shoulder straps from slipping off) or Tammie Dupuis' directions http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_corset.htm which, although a little more difficult to follow (you've got to do your own maths and it requires more measurements) will produce something more period. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 05:32:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7H9WiLO016663 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7H9VZ75098219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H9VUqj086891; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7H9VQL3086870 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E5KGa24Qu-0002t2; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:31:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1027/Tue Aug 16 17:44:00 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Celebration! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7H9WiLO016663 Status: RO YIPPEE!!!! 10 years of work is finally online!!! My Fashion Color Database, http://www.fcdatabase.com/ is live online! The old-timers on the list, just fell of their chairs... yes, it really has been ten years. Ten years ago on h-costume (I was a student in college) and asked a question, "What color is Dead Spaniard?" It was one of my first messages to h-costume. (Lurkers see what you can get into from just asking one question!) I was doing research for a costume history paper and thought it was the funniest name for a color. We had a good laugh about color names thread on the list. This one question lead me on the search of my life... to document fashion color names, their usage, description/definition, and trends. My paper was supposed to be 4 pages long... it ended up 30 pages long. Between that time and 1998, I had documented about 4,000 names. I searched non-stop on the names. Then my computer crashed and I lost everything in the database but my original college research. My heart was broken. So I switched my focus to building up our online Library. I picked back up my color research as I worked on the Library. Today, there is almost 1500 entries in the database, but they are online now! H-costume gets the first look at the Fashion Color Database (FCD)... Since the h-costume old-timers inspired me to search harder and to dust myself off after my computer crashed. The FCD is part of our subscription area of our Library. I am going to leave the database password FREE until Sunday morning, so you all can see it. Please remember that there are some links to the Library website in the color name *details* comment area. Those links are still password protected. You will know when you hit them a gray password box will popup. Just hit cancel and click you back button. I still have a couple of glitches that I am working on... the Articles and Bibliography links from the menu are not live yet. I do suggest that everyone look over the FAQ section before doing searches in the database. The database can be picky. Make sure to read the parts about how-to-do a search. There is a Color Name Index, that provides an alphabetical listing of the color names in the database. Beside each name is a date(s). That is the year(s) of usage or documentation for that color name. The Index area will always be in the free area of the site. I hope you all enjoy the FCD! I am so thrilled to finally have the it online!!! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 08:53:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HCrSnu031398 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HCqpAO013299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HCqjSf071119; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HCqgx6071068 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1e3.422a4ecb (3699) for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.422a4ecb.30348d0d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:52:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:26:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I was just looking at the Simplicity website and it appears that there's another Martha McCain ACW pattern #4400 Not bad. Looks like Scarlet's dress she wears thru the Reconstruction. I prefer the fuller sleeves. I just don't see many tight sleeves in 1860s pics....actually I can't remember seeing ANY. [1840s is another matter] and the shallow point is very 1850s to me. The cartridge pleating all the way 'round is also very 1840-50s. Most 1860s day dresses have waistlines that go straight across, with the bodice closing CF and the waistband of the attached skirt in flat pleats closing a little left of CF, hidden in a pleat with a hidden pocket there. But y'know...never say never.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 09:32:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HDWK19031699 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HDVqbM015965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HDVoWo091224; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HDVk7L091185 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691EB1A3E3 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb38.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4302f1ae.a5d7 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DAzxCrBDm6wIAAAAB,ae2bf2d2ff2a5018b6a2595088185e8b Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A great idea, Penny. Now, just to complicate your life further, have you thought about linking the name of the colour to an actual colour sample eg using the Pantone colour charts? ;-P So that people can see what the colour is, as opposed to being just a name and date/s, albeit some very evocative ( & provocative? Dead Spaniard!!!? ) names. http://www.pantone.com/ http://www.colorguides.net/?referrer=Adwords Joannah --- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:31:28 -0400 To: "h-costume" Subject: [h-cost] Celebration! YIPPEE!!!! 10 years of work is finally online!!! My Fashion Color Database, http://www.fcdatabase.com/ is live online! The old-timers on the list, just fell of their chairs... yes, it really has been ten years. Ten years ago on h-costume (I was a student in college) and asked a question, "What color is Dead Spaniard?" It was one of my first messages to h-costume. (Lurkers see what you can get into from just asking one question!) I was doing research for a costume history paper and thought it was the funniest name for a color. We had a good laugh about color names thread on the list. This one question lead me on the search of my life... to document fashion color names, their usage, description/definition, and trends. My paper was supposed to be 4 pages long... it ended up 30 pages long. Between that time and 1998, I had documented about 4,000 names. I searched non-stop on the names. Then my computer crashed and I lost everything in the database but my original college research. My heart was broken. So I switched my focus to building up our online Library. I picked back up my color research as I worked on the Library. Today, there is almost 1500 entries in the database, but they are online now! H-costume gets the first look at the Fashion Color Database (FCD)... Since the h-costume old-timers inspired me to search harder and to dust myself off after my computer crashed. The FCD is part of our subscription area of our Library. I am going to leave the database password FREE until Sunday morning, so you all can see it. Please remember that there are some links to the Library website in the color name *details* comment area. Those links are still password protected. You will know when you hit them a gray password box will popup. Just hit cancel and click you back button. I still have a couple of glitches that I am working on... the Articles and Bibliography links from the menu are not live yet. I do suggest that everyone look over the FAQ section before doing searches in the database. The database can be picky. Make sure to read the parts about how-to-do a search. There is a Color Name Index, that provides an alphabetical listing of the color names in the database. Beside each name is a date(s). That is the year(s) of usage or documentation for that color name. The Index area will always be in the free area of the site. I hope you all enjoy the FCD! I am so thrilled to finally have the it online!!! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 09:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HDZHaO031732 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HDYmUI016166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HDYmmT092855; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7HDYj76092780 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72384 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2005 13:34:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GocqklOOv53BXavbEwwSiTo4ze9/yT7+8p8aWibRu+9YFNuW2bc3MoiQOp9EVCeF/9fD6yd1530aBnx8p3merz65ue6SQ8IgMyiYW6mUr/dB2irTZcmw6ZB7K1+GPHyxhmk+OgxluUCiN9y4d/jyh1MxbH8OM1QeRJ7/zR82ZJk= ; Message-ID: <20050817133439.72382.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:34:39 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is FANTASTIC!!! Oh, BTW, can I be added to the mailing list for "The Cut" for when it's ready to make the rounds. I HOPE we'll be able to purchase it and the Runway show on DVD one of these days. Thank you again Penny :) Chris G. Penny Ladnier wrote: YIPPEE!!!! 10 years of work is finally online!!! My Fashion Color Database, http://www.fcdatabase.com/ is live online! The old-timers on the list, just fell of their chairs... yes, it really has been ten years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 10:17:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HEHJUU032074 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HDeM7G016678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HDeKT8095692; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7HDe26v095431 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70271 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 13:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 13:39:56 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050817143858.01d28630@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:40:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! In-Reply-To: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:31 17/08/2005, you wrote: >YIPPEE!!!! 10 years of work is finally online!!! My Fashion Color >Database, http://www.fcdatabase.com/ is live online! The old-timers >on the list, just fell of their chairs... yes, it really has been ten years. > >Ten years ago on h-costume (I was a student in college) and asked a >question, "What color is Dead Spaniard?" It was one of my first >messages to h-costume. (Lurkers see what you can get into from just >asking one question!) I was doing research for a costume history >paper and thought it was the funniest name for a color. We had a >good laugh about color names thread on the list. This one question >lead me on the search of my life... to document fashion color names, >their usage, description/definition, and trends. My paper was >supposed to be 4 pages long... it ended up 30 pages long. > >Between that time and 1998, I had documented about 4,000 names. I >searched non-stop on the names. Then my computer crashed and I lost >everything in the database but my original college research. My >heart was broken. So I switched my focus to building up our online >Library. I picked back up my color research as I worked on the >Library. Today, there is almost 1500 entries in the database, but >they are online now! Congratulations - an epic project indeed. I just hope that when I start looking I will find *my* favourite - "Goose-turd green"!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 11:26:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HFQE2C000411 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:26:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HFPLHL028814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:25:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFNVwT063368; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFNPAW063288 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1E5PlD0vu4-0006Tq; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:23:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c5a33f$9e330ca0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050817133439.72382.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:23:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh, BTW, can I be added to the mailing list for "The Cut" for when it's > ready to make the rounds. I HOPE we'll be able >to purchase it and the > Runway show on DVD one of these days. Is this the same Chris who got the Runway tapes? LOL! My husband and I have been making fashion critiques for the INXS Rock Star reality shows. The one lady that dresses and looks like Blondie, now looks like Madonna (or is her name Esther now?) Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 11:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HFY0pZ000503 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HFXSkh030112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFVaA7069447; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFVNPS069279 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E5Pss2OYc-0006GW; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c5a340$b2ae50d0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:31:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will get to answering your questions later tonight. I haven't been to sleep since 4 yesterday. Getting son #5 ready for college this morning... so I am very lacking in sleep. I checked into several options about publishing this information. I will let you all now what I found out when I return later tonight or early in the morning Thursday. BTW, Gooseturd is in the database. My favorite color are when London and Pairs were battling over who was the fashion capital of Europe. They made bad fashion color names about the other's city. One of the names is in the "L" color index under London. Another name lost in my old database, I think the name was Nun's Belly... who saw a Nun's Belly to know what color it was??? Good night... at 11:39 am. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 11:57:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HFvjAT000749 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HFvEtS034352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFv9TL089010; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFv0vX088809 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:57:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:56:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:56:40 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Celebration! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations! I don't remember the beginnings of your research but I do remember some of your later posts. And I was just thinking about your color list, and 'dead spainard' last night. Our local PBS stations was rerunning the Battlefield Britain episode on The Armada :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 12:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HGfDYq001130 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HGeFwf039582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGe7ct022964; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HEGaAx016518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7HEC0jf022554 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:12:01 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <430346C2.8080407@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:16:34 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! References: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.3.4.0.20050817143858.01d28630@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050817143858.01d28630@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > Congratulations - an epic project indeed. I just hope that when I start > looking I will find *my* favourite - "Goose-turd green"!! Although some of these names are ... odd, at least they're descriptive. I know exactly what color goose turds are. As compared to modern catalog descriptions. "Storm" as a color name, for example. Congrats, Penny! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent The opiate of this massive is a book. -- John Theophilous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 12:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HGg3mX001138 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HGfUmV039843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGfTY0024143; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HFndHt083209 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D781C1B5 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.4302f1a6.c906 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DA1ySa1rQJAIAAAAB,a2ca532e0af209ec34f22688adb88f4e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethian corset X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050817084938.C37FA062@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jeanne, As umpteen other people have said, that pattern is not Elizabethan. 'Nuf said. It does take some work, and you will need some one to help you, but if you want to make 'effigy' style stays, without having to buy a pattern - although I don't wish to take business away from Kass Mcgann or Margot Anderson - and then adjust it to fit you, you could try the way which I have made patterns for 4 pairs of stays in the last year and half. ( There is another article - 'Drafting an Effigy Corset Pattern', linked from 'The Effigy Corset: A New Look at Elizabethan Corsetry' - which, with apologies to Gwynne, I couldn't manage to make work. This is quite probably a fault of my maths skills, not a fault of her directions. You may be able to make it work for you. ) If you just want to make a very simple pair of stays, the custom corset generator on http://costume.dm.net/ is excellent. For the effigy stays : You wil need - cardboard, duct tape, an old tee shirt that you don't mind having chopped up, a marking pen to draw on the duct tape. Someone you don't mind seeing you half naked. ;-P 1. Generate a corset pattern using the above site. Draft up the pattern and cut it out of cardboard. ( Thin enough to cut with scissors, about double the thickness of cereal box cardboard. ) Cut 2 strips of cardboard about 2" x 6" to use for working out the gap for your hip bone. If the cardboard isn't big enough to cut the whole pattern out of one piece, cut it out of two pieces and reinforce the centre front join with a strip of cardboard stuck behind it. ( Like a busk! ) 2. Fit the cardboard corset to you so that it holds everything where you want it. ( This is best done next to bare skin - you can't wear a bra, it will distort things. ) Duct tape it closed. Put one of the short strips of cardboard, up under the bottom edge of the corset, just in front of your hip bone, the other the same way just behind your hip bone. If you are fairly round, the gap can be quite wide, if you are less round it will be more of an angle like the pictures of Drea. Stick the strips in place with a bit of tape. 3. Put on the old tee shirt. Get your friend to duct tape you, like making a duct tape double. If you aren't familiar with this process, follow this link - http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/t00002_p2.asp. Tape down slightly below your waist. Don't worry about taping down around the arms, it isn't necessary. 4. Once taped, get your friend to outline with the marking pen along the top line of the cardboard corset, the bottom line of the corset, down the centre front, and down the centre back. Mark where the gap for you hip bone is on the bottom line. At this stage you can either get your friend to outline the shoulder straps and back neckline, and the line of the side back seam, or get cut out of the duct tape and draw them yourself. 5. You now have your very basic pattern, without tabs. I never cut out the tabs and front point until the corset is almost completed - channels sewn and boned, fronts and back/s joined - it stops things from fraying/ getting messy. ( Mind you, I haven't used steel boning in any of these corsets. I'll have to think about how to get around this point if boning with steel. ) At this point, I trace around the duct tape pattern onto paper, and work on and from this paper pattern. ( The duct tape pattern doesn't lie flat well, usually. ) To pattern the tabs, draw a curving line folowing the bottom line of the corset, about 2'-3' inches below. When you transfer the pattern to your fabric, mark both lines. The new bottom line is how long the tabs are, the old bottom line where you stop cutting the tabs. 6. Make up your corset. I follow Drea's method. I hope these directions make sense. Now for boning types. I haven't used cable ties, but I have used broomstraw ( in my own corset ) and hemp cord ( in the other three ). This broomstraw ( which is actually closer to reeds in stiffness and size, I think - see http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RR00&Category_Code=CCREEDS ) is more than rigid enough to hold me up - I'm size 26 and an E cup. I also *cannot* bend at the waist while wearing it. ( It opens down the front, so I don't have a busk. ) The hemp cord which I have used ( http://www.btoucan.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=249 ), two pieces per channel, was firm enough to hold up my friend Shaz who has an even bigger bust than me. The effect of her cleavage in her corset is almost enough to stop traffic. One of the benefits of using the hemp cord is that your movement isn't restricted - Shaz can do side bends from the waist in hers. One thing about using hemp to bone an effigy-style corset, is that you can't easily follow the stitching lines along the front top of the original corset. It is much easier, and looks better, if you abandon those stitch lines and cut the cord flush with the top edge, and the same along the bottom of the corset. The other thing which I have used with great success to bone Elizabethan corsets is the sticks from matchstick blinds, 2-3 to a channel, ( like this - http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0722752137.1124293162@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccckaddfhfjklhjcgelceffdfgidglo.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=Super%20Categories/Indoor%20Living&MID=9876&pos=p05 ) although those corsets didn't have integral tabs. I don't think the 'matchsticks' have enough give to use for that type. I will be making another corset this way in the next few weeks, and I think that I will have to do a diary with pictures. It will make explaining the process sooo much easier. I'm sorry, this is a very long post, but I hope you find it helpful. Joannah. --- "Jeanne Willis" wrote: From: "Jeanne Willis" Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:03:30 -0700 To: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethian corset I just purchase a pattern for what I think is an elizabethan corset. Butterick B4254. Is anyone familiar with this pattern? My question is what type of boning do I use?. The pattern just say's "boning". I assume that it's a plastic boning since you need to cut it to length. Any suggestions as to type of boning or a better elizabethan corset? I'm a plus size hour glass type figure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 12:42:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HGgImp001145 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:42:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HGfoQZ039904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGfoKG024442; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGa3af019610 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29901 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:36:02 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Celebration! 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Thread-Index: AcWjQQcXu8CjepICSk6qMpTh9l+cfgAA7yCg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7HGa3af019610 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny: Paris and London were always at each other(and still are--witness the last French salvo demeaning English cuisine just before London was awarding the 2012 Olympic Games)over who had the best culture, so all the name-calling in colors is great fun to us reading them today. And the French came up with some unlovely names(of course they sound tres elegante en francaise)for fad colors on their own. I haven't checked your database yet, but I'm sure caca Dauphin is there--it was a fad color devised and named when Marie Antoinette finally gave birth to a male heir. The color was meant as a compliment since the French throne was an exclusive boy's club by law so the birth of a male heir was a very big deal Caca Dauphin was apparently a greenish brown modeled after the color of a newborn's excreatment from the neither end(to put it politely). The French throne being a no women need apply as ruler and the Queen Consort was supposed to keep a low profile and kick out male heirs), only a mistresse en titre(you got to see Le Roi a lot more than royal wifey and have a big influence on court life and royal policy had any real power and more acceptable to the French to boot since mistress to the King was French, and not foreign-born as was royal wifey). It was was probably why Marie Antoinette was so unpopular as Queen Consort as time went on. It had been generations since a French Queen had been attractive, fashionable, outgoing, and apparently an influence on royal policy. And she wasn't producing male heirs one after the other. Not her fault, but the French just couldn't understand a King that was faithful to his wife as Louis XVI. And a king that wasn't that interested in sex was something nearly impossible at the time, especially to the French, who were very used to Kings bedhopping--it was almost expected. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 12:54:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HGsNlV001233 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HGrxrs041418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGrwWr034488; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:53:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (cgpb3.cgp.netins.net [167.142.228.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HGrrJG034419 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [207.199.201.122] (account landofoz@netins.net) by cgpb3.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.3.6) with HTTP id 514170175 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:53:52 -0500 From: Land of Oz To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.3.6 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430346C2.8080407@thibault.org> References: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> <6.2.3.4.0.20050817143858.01d28630@127.0.0.1> <430346C2.8080407@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1029/Wed Aug 17 04:01:16 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] color names X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >are. As compared to modern > catalog descriptions. "Storm" as a >color name, for example. "Petrol" is the one that gets me! Ever put fuel in something clear? Gasoline and diesel fuel are always a shade of red, pink or orange. When I see "petrol" listed as a color name in a catalog, I have to narrow it down by elimination, and I'm usually left with some kind of steel grey or blue-grey. Which is what I'd call "storm". :-D Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 14:38:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HIcN0Y002148 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:38:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HIbgvK054515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HIaC45014596; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HIYNcG013323 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so303634nzd for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rLlvYkg9kcV1C468aGk+B7AkXehuS55BL59W6FltGe7jAzagJdbMIkVtbWZVSlIpiB+6y7G5JmbmLJjivS3JFcbde8WBEHwOd2bTca7eqY4pM1isvVA/hSC9uSO6UO2wXIUEZ1/Cy7NoavhhVIjQ4ShUp6piryecxcp9aL0Et0s= Received: by 10.36.146.9 with SMTP id t9mr655111nzd; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7HIYNcG013323 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: color names X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >"Petrol" is the one that gets me! > Ever put fuel in something clear? >Gasoline and diesel fuel are always a >shade of red, pink or orange. My vote goes to "Vomitesse de la Reine". So elegant. Yeh. Second runner up, too modern for this list I suspect, is Po-Mo Pink. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 15:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HJHG7x002428 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HJGVbU059347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HJGOxL045848; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.178] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HJGIFG045733 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB373C68E for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:16:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B7A4DC482 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:16:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e3.422a4ecb.30348d0d@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know, I wish Simplicity would get a different artist or get the artist who draws the front and back pictures different from the Barbie drawings. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 16:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HKFnCd002818 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HKEPCs067385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HK9bLL089757; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f31.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HK9Rvm089524 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:09:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:09:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508171810.j7HIAAMJ093011@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:09:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2005 20:09:12.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[88F9ABF0:01C5A367] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: color names X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Land of Oz > >are. As compared to modern > > catalog descriptions. "Storm" as a > >color name, for example. > >"Petrol" is the one that gets me! > Ever put fuel in something clear? >Gasoline and diesel fuel are always a >shade of red, pink or orange. When I >see "petrol" listed as a color name in >a catalog, I have to narrow it down by >elimination, and I'm usually left with >some kind of steel grey or blue-grey. > >Which is what I'd call "storm". :-D There's a Stormy Petral joke in there someplace. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 18:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7HMxdFr003808 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7HMww9r087205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HMwmNn018562; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:58:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7HMwb6F018429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7HKpCnh011380 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4303A340.4020607@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:51:12 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency References: <4.3.0.20050728225557.00a6af00@pop.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20050728225557.00a6af00@pop.vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Diana, Dawn, Ann, Cindy and David (hope I didn't miss anyone!) for your responses to my questions about a Regency gown. I've got three weeks to pull this together, so I'm trying to buy the fabric now. Anyone care to comment? For the day gown, I've gotten some lovely white cotton from Delectable Mountain Fabrics (their web site seems to have temporarily disappeared--I stopped there on the way home this past weekend--talk about drool city!) It has a subtle stripe/dot dobby pattern and just enough body to not be diaphonous. I'd like to wear this with a spencer, so that's the next purchase. Some fabric choices for that are: Pink Check Dupioni http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/home/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=L082 or Blue or green linen http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/home/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=J248 http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/home/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=J311 I also picked up some gorgeous white satin batiste. Scrumptious. Not sure if it should be for a petticoat (it would be a really fine one) or an undergown of the ball dress. Ball gown choices: Joann's had a bolt of $5/yd pale pink china silk with widely, but regularly, scattered embroidered flowers. The flowers are small, simple, with green stems (maybe 1/4" high, about a foot apart). Not quite right--just a single flower not a sprig, but I couldn't resist buying it. Now I'm thinking the color is too "young." So, some other possibilities: Blue Silk Gauze for an overgown (over white silk/silk satin, or maybe that satin batiste) with some kind of trimming, maybe a rouleau at the neckline or looped up with rosettes at the hem (in your dreams, lady!): http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/home/catalog_itemdetail.cfm?ItmID=B969 Joann's also had a sheer nylon sort-of-organza embroidered all over with a pale blue and sage green flower/stem. Again, not quite right but very pretty. Then there's the bonnet to make, and a turban for the ball (my hair is too short for an up-do. So, what do you think? - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 20:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I02Ebp004257 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I01Qri093151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I01MFL056570; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I01GaT056511 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DFF480DF for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:01:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au (b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au [203.100.229.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:01:14 +1000 Message-ID: <1124323274.4303cfca8f524@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:01:14 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! References: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, what colour IS a dead Spaniard? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 20:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I09Uw7004300 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I08udc093723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I08qPf060895; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web54706.mail.yahoo.com (web54706.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7I08ndX060790 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolscostuming5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85953 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2005 00:08:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FoLuZo4L9d4E5OUyx/xYCG9jmFpAQV+ONygUQCenhNLQyx1PAXj93uFHP3J4iM0LgWYo84cv5W2mgwOJZugBWYgsmyXx1S7LgkCPIaVl7RB0yZFSD5+bgSDKPLNcQipwYACYMFH7jZmZsdxWDyb3/VgCHdama4D4OXIwVXqFe4k= ; Message-ID: <20050818000843.85951.qmail@web54706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.119.149.184] by web54706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:08:43 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 532 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Her husband wasn't disintered in sex-he was incapable of it. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 20:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I0lRrO004588 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I0l1wv096479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I0kwlm081487; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I0krfU081392 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7I0klW25131 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:46:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <36AEDD2F-82DB-48D3-91E3-BEBC43EA8C70@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:46:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] speaking of colors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hiya, I came across this dissertation and thought you might be interested... "LE BLASON DES COULEURS": A TREATISE ON COLOR THEORY AND SYMBOLISM IN NORTHERN EUROPE DURING THE EARLY RENAISSANCE Author: NELSON, ELIZABETH Degree: PH.D. Institution: BROWN UNIVERSITY 0024 Year: 1998 Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 17 21:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I1Nv25004874 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I1NGsu099545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I1NE9o000676; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I1NB7B000599 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.fe.19c94957 (16781) for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/17/2005 7:00:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: so I'm trying to buy the fabric now. Anyone care to comment? I like the pink check for the spencer--I have seen more silk or wool spencers than linen ones. The blue gauze for the ballgown sounds good, but not sure how much you can get done in 3 weeks. If worst comes to worst, you could make your white dress low-necked and short sleeved, but make separate undersleeves and a chemisette. Wear it with the spencer and bonnet for day, and with a smashing turban for evening. While I have never worn it for 2 events on the same day, I have worn one of my white cotton dresses for both day and evening--with a fichu and bonnet for day, and a turban and cameo jewelry for evening. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 00:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I40ven006153 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:00:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I40Bm7015403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I402n2079464; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I3xwlV079394 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m144.in-tch.com [216.166.191.144]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7I3rpR00663 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4304092D.4040806@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:06:05 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! References: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <1124323274.4303cfca8f524@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1124323274.4303cfca8f524@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Probably a pale, olivey-green would be my guess....Depends on what killed him, eh? ;o) --sue stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > So, what colour IS a dead Spaniard? > > -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 00:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I4Ce38006242 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I4CHgj016989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I4CGJU085253; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I4CCth085224 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from FyreMuse.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-185-63.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.185.63]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j7I3s9wM015562 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050817231045.0121bcd8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:11:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! In-Reply-To: <1124323274.4303cfca8f524@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A yellowish grey IIRC. Or maybe a greenish-grey. I was always told to think of what a Spaniard would look like washed up on the shore after a shipwreck... Cheers, Danielle At 10:01 AM 8/18/2005 +1000, you wrote: >So, what colour IS a dead Spaniard? > >-C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 01:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I51LNi006563 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:01:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I50Ri7020729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I50PA8007029; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ajax.concentric.com (ajax.concentric.com [207.155.248.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I50Ll8006981 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-30.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.30]) by ajax.concentric.com id BAA28795; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:00:11 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508180500.BAA28795@ajax.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200508171550.j7HFnmoV083322@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWjQ5i0yYsgkS/xQWWH1qU2hRAfvAAbb6Ag X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Celebration! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be wonderful. The names are interesting, but what color IS Dead Spaniard? Or Goose Turd...? Inquiring minds want to know Julie -----Original Message----- A great idea, Penny. Now, just to complicate your life further, have you thought about linking the name of the colour to an actual colour sample eg using the Pantone colour charts? ;-P So that people can see what the colour is, as opposed to being just a name and date/s, albeit some very evocative ( & provocative? Dead Spaniard!!!? ) names. http://www.pantone.com/ http://www.colorguides.net/?referrer=Adwords Joannah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 04:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7I8DsiK010707 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:13:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7I8D8Xx033762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I8D4jD088738; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7I8D1Xf088686 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j7I8Csg02575.; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:12:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:12:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:12:37 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Celebration! Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7I8DsiK010707 Status: RO I've also heard of goose-turd green in its French equivalent, merde d'oie (a dark olive-green, for those that don't know). And of course puce is the French for flea (allegedly the colour of a squashed flea). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu 17/08/2005 17:35 >>> And the French came up with some unlovely names(of course they sound tres elegante en francais) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 13:43:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IHhcPo012317 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IHgGwx098506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IHfP6o005316; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7IHf3kl004863 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84028 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2005 17:40:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=33KWTsCRXsHwb+aTej3scTTGFfrd30slBIuM6qN0FJTQo6XXvE+iJ3XB4U3OU7qOCeU2qOuxPhKIL3f3rlnO+nGY2M6JoI97spZ21eG4dTs+uCZaacDdmWcvFqVAc3BTlHq7FeZZFisN65vNTSVXXm1BetXLQ2NpFFvmQ9iVZRg= ; Message-ID: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:57 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Linen prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know there are people from all over on the list - but on average what would you expect to pay per yard for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or online. Annette M (living in the no man's land of fabric stores) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 13:53:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IHrPsX012396 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IHowDA099818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:50:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IHomKN012823; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f16.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IHoKiP012455 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:50:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Originating-Email: [ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "M TURNAGE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linen prices Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:50:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 17:50:15.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[49E9E7C0:01C5A41D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Annette, I'm from the Dallas area. If I find a nice linen, in the color that I like or want and it's under $10/yd., I will purchase it. Melinda~ >From: Kahlara >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Linen prices >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) > >I know there are people from all over on the list - >but on average what would you expect to pay per yard >for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or >online. > >Annette M >(living in the no man's land of fabric stores) > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 14:27:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IIRGBE012679 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IIQghu004518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIPRhL038595; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIPJ3T038431 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so563345nzp for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QUYKYC+nX9CvucvLBWM1m+jOsNz1/JUoJX0Gscg8lKJzxqHQzUnc6g8BkIFujI0a0SXbAH6omDJgfXa+XD8Cy8K6gOFI+OsUbQeGn2QxbxIM/9vH2OKQ39KtY/Qh5Oj/2f2anAoEATl5RaMuLbSjUpHEQXrhG6UgbzT5kBWIUCY= Received: by 10.36.105.14 with SMTP id d14mr323583nzc; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:25:12 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices In-Reply-To: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7IIPJ3T038431 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here in North Carolina: at a fabric store, for 100% linen: *usually* about $12-18/yd depending on weight. Sometimes you can get it on end of season sale (last year I got 20 yds for $3/yd). Online you can expect to pay from $4-25/yd depending on weight and quality. The majority of what I've seen runs between $6-10/yd For "nice" linen, expect to pay in the $10+ range. Hope that helps! -I On 8/18/05, Kahlara wrote: > I know there are people from all over on the list - > but on average what would you expect to pay per yard > for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or > online. > > Annette M > (living in the no man's land of fabric stores) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 14:29:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IITO7U012725 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:29:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IIStDk004808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IISo3O041067; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7IISaMT040857 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96671 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2005 18:28:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JVbiqWcZfwIFvOSVMW0vm8HcQxuJ/ulGqR0aRsqxnkOSXF/zD0Yh3JYMhTB1l/TqSyPD3NtpRPm9fqs5pnmjrRct7pck51lqZYD6lgwrL8A3wpV5KHiVc2XSTgHrXG+WSzrJvF0KM0wzwSPvJJ0IhWIDJmCm6adPeoGwAckdQIw= ; Message-ID: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:28:31 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fitting issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a belt, or anything else that will create any pressure or tension, especially on her lower back. She also detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent either. The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not have to be historically accurate, just look the part. I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most of these requirements. I haven't really studied them as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less so will create a tent-like appearance. Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but not snugly. This picture from a series of German prints also gave me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML Any suggestions or ideas? 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Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 14:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IIXxRI012802 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IIXOle005621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIXNUi045148; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIXKxQ045005 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so577402nzd for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OqhdqRC1VsCN15X7ZNUXxwB1FJfU/sRhAzGJYwJOfukhlOSypa3OsP3zRxo3nvy5fP0xQ2Dtg+emDJoNm63kaaCNRnin6EWUEaw6+G8ucCQIo2L6nRm6Xhllo4yyAhQ2pDFRbvRqXAGG+5k89EVJt7P2bzhtbJnuNL7Z0htvu7w= Received: by 10.36.215.11 with SMTP id n11mr1717738nzg; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.5.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:33:13 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices In-Reply-To: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7IIXKxQ045005 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/18/05, Kahlara wrote: > I know there are people from all over on the list - > but on average what would you expect to pay per yard > for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or > online. My normal price range for nice linen is $7-10 per yard. My primary sources are almost always within that range. Retail chains and upscale places tend to charge significantly more (frequently $15-20 when not on sale), but it has to be very nice before I'll consider paying those prices. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 14:50:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IIofea012999 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:50:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IInf8f007444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IInZeu057951; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7IInT8d057791 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 75261 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 18:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 18:49:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050818194538.01d19180@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:49:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues In-Reply-To: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:28 18/08/2005, you wrote: >My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding >too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to >fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a >belt, or anything else that will create any pressure >or tension, especially on her lower back. She also >detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I >don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent >either. > >The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not >have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > >I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most >of these requirements. I haven't really studied them >as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might >be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less >so will create a tent-like appearance. > >Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with >side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but >not snugly. > >This picture from a series of German prints also gave >me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. >http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > >Any suggestions or ideas? I am roughly the same size as your future MIL and wore a houppelande to a ball a few weeks ago. I made it from the pattern in Jean Hunnisett's book - the one that is called medieval to 1500. It goes on like a coat and is very comfortable. However, I don't think you would need the 8 yard hem for her - this can easily be modified. You will also find patterns for the Italian Renaissance gowns in your picture in the same book. I have used those too and always found them easy and comfortable for my customers. If you want any more info, please ask. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 14:52:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IIqaRJ013011 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IIq085007640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIpxl1060519; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.io.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIpriG060391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IIplP5062947 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:51:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 64.143.115.25 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:51:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39416.64.143.115.25.1124391107.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:51:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will purchase online at the higher price if it is in one of those impossible colors that no one locally carries ... like christmas green or the blue based red! Otherwise, I have been very lucky and find all the other colors locally for 7-10 a yard, 3 if it is on sale cause there is only 5 yards left. Silly people ... to them it is a remnant! :) Chiara Who has too much fabric and needs to ebay away lots of it ... sigh. On Thu, August 18, 2005 1:33 pm, Catrijn vanden Westhende said: > On 8/18/05, Kahlara wrote: >> I know there are people from all over on the list - >> but on average what would you expect to pay per yard >> for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or >> online. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 16:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IK2wbI013631 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IK29SN016173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK24BF013152; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK1xDB013000 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005081820015201400havdte>; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:52 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.112; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:40 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:40 +0000 Message-Id: <081820052001.1779.4304E9240000964D000006F322007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hm...Having fibromyalgia myself, I can tell you that the *weight* of the garment is as important as the fit. And 'dragging' along long lengths of fabric, no matter how pretty, really can cause the fatigue that makes the pain pretty darned unendurable. If you make a houppeland, make sure it's out of a fairly lightweight fabric. I used to wear italian ren, and then the gowns just got too heavy for me, and I just won't wear a italian ren without the right amount of fabric to get that 'shape and drape' that is so special. Now most of the time I wear a nice tunic over a linen under tunic, that just skims the body so I don't even have to wear a belt. Anything I can carry has to go into a little basket, so I'm forced to not carry more than I have to. Anyhow, you are on the right track thinking about going tunic for her. Elena > My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a > belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I > don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent > either. > > The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not > have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > > I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less > so will create a tent-like appearance. > > Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > not snugly. > > This picture from a series of German prints also gave > me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > Thanks, > Annette M > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 16:03:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IK3wkO013640 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IK1gIs016124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IJnbvv003410; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.179] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IJmIQl002529 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79A33C893 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:48:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8193CD41B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:48:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fitting issues Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A houppelaude may be a bit heavy but if you want Houppelaude: http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/f/p-fabriano3.htm Other styles: http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/m/p-gmilano1.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/g/p-giottin1.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/artgallery1.htm Here is something similar to the German print: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor12.html more ideas, Florentine: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/p/p-pisanel2.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/m/p-monaco2.htm De ----Original Message----- My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a belt, or anything else that will create any pressure or tension, especially on her lower back. She also detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent either. The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not have to be historically accurate, just look the part. (snip) This picture from a series of German prints also gave me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks, Annette M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 16:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IKOQpP013810 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IKO0xC018561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IKNoRK029297; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IKN5IX028836 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so602897nzd for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N5pfnvZPUpe0u8sW1k8PuRoMNC9AmJWY+qbi5SnWB7qiYhs1vXCot4khUKV8sUFC7QmcxyCp8zedTKan68CupoKMxV1AleQ8WhNRhRFp0n/BVoReSAKWvOsaVGz9poTOhIQf5MyZyZCkQs3ksnPe+jo6mZjnOM1fIriHseTjUqY= Received: by 10.36.222.70 with SMTP id u70mr1790863nzg; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.5.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:22:59 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues In-Reply-To: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7IKN5IX028836 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Given your considerations, you might want to think about something a bit earlier than the examples you mentioned. Fashions in 1350-1500 featured (warning: wild generalizations ahead) close-fit (e.g. cotehardie) or vast quantities of fabric (e.g. houppelande), neither of which may be very comfortable for her. Also, women's houppelandes seem to be belted nearly all the time. It's under the bust instead of closer to the lower back, but it still needs to be belted for the right look. (The pic you linked is an Italian style different from the houppeland... totally out of my limited area of knowledge.) I would recommend looking at simple loose tunic dresses, like in the Manesse Codex (early 14th c. German manuscript). Maybe with a sleeveless over tunic in a contrasting color to dress it up a bit? http://www.manesse.de/manesse0-9.shtml This style looks pretty good on most people as long as you use a fabric that isn't stiff, and use enough fabric to allow it to drape nicely. It doesn't need to be belted at all. Just a thought... Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:05:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IL58JY014220 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IL1iXj022900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IKBsKd020958; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IKBhI5020748 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1E5qjm-0001aI-8P for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:11:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:10:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues References: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050818182831.96669.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<7a2N+FE34zNAWE4tIFhTW2E+UH>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote >My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding >too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to >fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a >belt, or anything else that will create any pressure >or tension, especially on her lower back. She also >detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I >don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent >either. > >The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not >have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > >I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most >of these requirements. I haven't really studied them >as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might >be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less >so will create a tent-like appearance. > >Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with >side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but >not snugly. > >This picture from a series of German prints also gave >me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. >http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > >Any suggestions or ideas? > >Thanks, >Annette M > I like your choice. I think this style will look very elegant - just enough fitting to show that there is a distinction between bust and stomach, but skimming gracefully over the rest. I imagine it could also be very solid and respectable on someone older, too - just right for the groom's mother. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:05:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IL5BUY014224 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IL1iXl022900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:04:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK2dKf013633; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK2Xme013436 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005081820015701400q8ivce>; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:57 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.112; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:50 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:50 +0000 Message-Id: <081820052001.2021.4304E92E000BDE39000007E522007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hm...Having fibromyalgia myself, I can tell you that the *weight* of the garment is as important as the fit. And 'dragging' along long lengths of fabric, no matter how pretty, really can cause the fatigue that makes the pain pretty darned unendurable. If you make a houppeland, make sure it's out of a fairly lightweight fabric. I used to wear italian ren, and then the gowns just got too heavy for me, and I just won't wear a italian ren without the right amount of fabric to get that 'shape and drape' that is so special. Now most of the time I wear a nice tunic over a linen under tunic, that just skims the body so I don't even have to wear a belt. Anything I can carry has to go into a little basket, so I'm forced to not carry more than I have to. Anyhow, you are on the right track thinking about going tunic for her. Elena > My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a > belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I > don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent > either. > > The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not > have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > > I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less > so will create a tent-like appearance. > > Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > not snugly. > > This picture from a series of German prints also gave > me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > Thanks, > Annette M > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:05:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IL5BFK014225 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IL1iXp022900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IKsa2b051607; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7IKsViQ051364 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBSK7LAAJK4322 for (sender ); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhggLbkuEqa/LvY1FhJvtGspo= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K2QCVMG9; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:52:22 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:49:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues Message-ID: <20050818.135213.3416.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-9,14-17,19-72 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 27:13:3212348329 X-MAIL-INFO: 40d51908d5196d45192d796dd8099ca12d09f1ac918df1f1553c6925e9d5b1ec9cfc99b178a165ecb97c6c0cb9198d212139a85c185c95d9dc95d9f898d9f82d398d2c81c8b8cd2c05f959b87c05699d580511ad35a89ca8f538f8d1d9a898 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can sympathize with your MIL. I have severe RA, and can't stand pressure and tension from clothes. I opted for a sideless surcoat with a full skirt worn over long-sleeved, full-skirted undergown with a center slit in the neck. This can be left as is, or pinned closed. The sideless surcoat stresses the long line, and is a very graceful garment. Both have no fastenings and pull on and off over the head. The style seems to work on all body types, whether thin or Reubenesque. Sideless surcoats were still around in the 14th c. Put a veil or coif on top and she is good to go. Ideally, linen for the undergown and silk for an upperclass surcoat (or wool), but failing that, you can get very nice results using polycotton blends. They move well, are well balanced, very comfortable, and not at all heavy. And you don't have to wear a belt with them unless you want to. Arlys On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:49:20 +0100 Suzi Clarke writes: > At 19:28 18/08/2005, you wrote: > >My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > >too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > >fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a > >belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > >or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > >detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I > >don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent > >either. > > > >The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not > >have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > > > >I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > >of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > >as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > >be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less > >so will create a tent-like appearance. > > > >Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > >side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > >not snugly. > > > >This picture from a series of German prints also gave > >me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. > >http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > > >Any suggestions or ideas? > > > I am roughly the same size as your future MIL and wore a houppelande > > to a ball a few weeks ago. I made it from the pattern in Jean > Hunnisett's book - the one that is called medieval to 1500. It goes > on like a coat and is very comfortable. However, I don't think you > would need the 8 yard hem for her - this can easily be modified. > > You will also find patterns for the Italian Renaissance gowns in > your > picture in the same book. I have used those too and always found > them > easy and comfortable for my customers. > > If you want any more info, please ask. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:05:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IL5HWk014230 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IL1iXn022900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:04:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK2rtw013844; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IK2mAD013706 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005081820024301300oju1ke>; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:02:43 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.112; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:33 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting issues Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:01:33 +0000 Message-Id: <081820052001.1616.4304E91D0000DC900000065022007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1033/Thu Aug 18 11:52:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hm...Having fibromyalgia myself, I can tell you that the *weight* of the garment is as important as the fit. And 'dragging' along long lengths of fabric, no matter how pretty, really can cause the fatigue that makes the pain pretty darned unendurable. If you make a houppeland, make sure it's out of a fairly lightweight fabric. I used to wear italian ren, and then the gowns just got too heavy for me, and I just won't wear a italian ren without the right amount of fabric to get that 'shape and drape' that is so special. Now most of the time I wear a nice tunic over a linen under tunic, that just skims the body so I don't even have to wear a belt. Anything I can carry has to go into a little basket, so I'm forced to not carry more than I have to. Anyhow, you are on the right track thinking about going tunic for her. Elena > My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, a > belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But I > don't want to make her look like she is wearing a tent > either. > > The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does not > have to be historically accurate, just look the part. > > I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it less > so will create a tent-like appearance. > > Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > not snugly. > > This picture from a series of German prints also gave > me some ideas. The woman on the right, but simplified. > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > Thanks, > Annette M > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:31:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ILVqBl014455 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:31:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ILVF8M027602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ILVDsI079667; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ILV6WE079571 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LS0AAG2SKG9636IV@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:31:01 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LS0AAH26TG98IWNB@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:31:02 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:33:24 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices In-reply-to: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4304FEA4.8040805@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote: >I know there are people from all over on the list - >but on average what would you expect to pay per yard >for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or >online. > > Ummm... OK, I'm speaking of New Zealand dollars here (~0.70US, I think), and I buy linens that are sutable for shirts (chemises, camicia, etc) and for linings, but not for making garb as such. On a very good day at a very good sale, probably $4-6 per metre for something reasonably nice. The least I've paid in the past 7 or 8 years is $2. More average would be $8-12 per metre, and I think the most I've paid (for very fine, sheer linen) was probably $18/m. I've never bought linen online-- because I live outside the US, whatever savings I make on price would be swallowed by shipping. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 17:55:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ILtr1K014684 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:55:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ILtIEO030749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ILsraB097130; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ILsl3N097016 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so622048nzd for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Xeqm2LCGiNpbBOs797LqtWA/gsRuOLBoxtOMRbAuA1VQ7X9dDUo96LtXbn5FH55KPZFOTlfRWzb6dluS9hBE1wkzCuWoNC8nRTHIH5xgKRp8/ZwdcuUc50gPwXPZ+N44m8zd24n4W4yAMluDwqSmR60r27+zqkXJ2bsGWJdwCtw= Received: by 10.36.18.12 with SMTP id 12mr945244nzr; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:54:42 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7ILsl3N097016 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Then there's the bonnet to make, and a turban for the ball (my hair is >too short for an up-do. >So, what do you think? Hope A bonnet is always lovely. Bigger is better. I quite forget exactly which year(s) you've focused on, but happily for us short-haired chicks, short hair was fashionable from time to time. I'm particularly fond of the "Coif a la Titus", which, more or less, is bobbed hair in teensy tight curls all over the head. Thrill! I find turbans a bit warm, so I'll strongly recommend that make yours in silk. Check around you may even find that a filet band will work, keeping you cooler yet suitably coifed. Dont forget jewelry and a charming shawl. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 18:25:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IMPGIj014964 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IMOT7M034208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMOQI6017677; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMOIHO017488 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:24:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.20d.758ac34 (4380) for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.758ac34.30366486@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:24:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/18/2005 5:56:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: I'm particularly fond of the "Coif a la Titus", which, more or less, is bobbed hair in teensy tight curls all over the head. I've also seen it sans curls...basically short hair brushed forward. But tortured curls adds a "period" element that sends a distinct "this is not of our current aesthetic" message. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 18:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IMjY8h015172 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:45:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IMj9Jt036595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMj8BI031993; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMj56e031881 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:44:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:44:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 22:44:58.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[75E783E0:01C5A446] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've also heard of goose-turd green in its French equivalent, merde d'oie > (a dark olive-green, for those that don't know). Actually, we usually hear "caca d'oie" (same thing). I've never heard it used with "merde". Not heard often, but certainly still in use. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 18:56:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7IMuUdI015278 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7IMtv2J037754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMtmr6038700; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7IMthqn038575 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:55:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:55:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050818174057.84025.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 22:55:37.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[F31D63B0:01C5A447] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At regular fabric store chains, it's marked 25$CDN/meter. I never buy unless it goes down to 15, and then only if I REALLY need it now. Besides, most of the times it's way too heavy to be of much use to me. At other more local fabric stores, it's usually between 10-14$. But I don't buy there because there's no way to know if it's linen or not. Online, usually around 10$US (I buy at denverfabric and fabric.com) for coloured, and a little less for white (I buy at fabrics-store.com, but watch out some of their stuff is very slubby). Local SCA merchant sells it for 14$CDN/meter - fair price. When I buy online, after having paid the exchange rate and shipping, it comes to that anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Linen prices >I know there are people from all over on the list - > but on average what would you expect to pay per yard > for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or > online. > > Annette M > (living in the no man's land of fabric stores) > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 19:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7INFi7n015438 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:15:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7INFBIq039721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7INF9Mc050715; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7INF33x050662 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from talk2meg@midwest.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=midwest.net; b=aGfcpYEDLLxKid1c+4JfjqSUp322KcE8kDWdevLrFIdAyuhsai0sCmDS3miGGIkc; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.252.134.188] (helo=office) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E5tbB-0007i3-HC for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c5a44a$895177c0$bc86fc04@office> From: "talk2meg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004a01c5a30e$726a5cd0$6800a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:10:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-ELNK-Trace: f49e4b04a8da9eb37fd7ec19d19237ef284cce77b6014d5f95587364f3a0755fc55d73972f3990f1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.252.134.188 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations, Penny! I didn't fall out of my chair because I had every confidence you'd succeed with the project. I remember well when you started this project and the on-going conversations via the list thereafter. You were "into" it so deeply and enthusiastically that I didn't work on my own studies each night until after I'd read the entries. (Shame on me!) WOW! Keep up the good work, please. Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] Celebration! The old-timers on the list, just fell of their chairs... yes, it really has been ten years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 18 20:39:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J0dIXu016103 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7J0ckAr048151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7J0cdeI098228; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7J0cZpq098186 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E5uu2117s-0005Zv; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c5a456$593119e0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050817063146.C3802C0B@dm22.mta.everyone.net><1124323274.4303cfca8f524@webmail.netspace.net.au> <4304092D.4040806@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:38:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will be back online. I have gone 48 hours on 2 hours of sleep... allergies went into a sinus infection. Many thanks to those who have written me and I promise to answer as soon as I get some sleep. BTW, Danielle's definition of Dead Spaniard is correct. Off to watch the new Merchant of Venice and hoping it will put me to sleep... if I can stop coughing. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 02:17:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J6HE00023972 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7J6GUjl074100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7J6GP2I048603; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7J6GLqr048567 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26658 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:37:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1034/Thu Aug 18 14:07:58 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just for fun: Historic paper dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend points me to this page: http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/gateway3.html The Italian Renaissance ones aren't bad -- mostly based on paintings I can recognize. The Gawain set is straight out of Norris, oh well, but still "pretty." The Plantagenets marginally better. Much more here, most of it amusing if you don't take it very seriously. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton // Editor at Large robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 09:24:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JDOEJb021404 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JDNTTE016259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JDNQH9018402; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JDNNV6018341 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ILH00JCM15DUFRU@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:23:00 -0400 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4305DD34.6020400@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Storing Outfits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a question about storage. I do not store my historic clothing on hangers mostly, I fold or roll up and put into cloth bags that i make for each outfit (the bag has a listing of each part of the outfit and what needs to brought along that is not in the bag), then I put the bags into plastic tots. However, sometimes they get a little funny smelling, and I would like to make sure that bugs do not get into them. Does anyone have any advise about storing outfits? A couple of years ago, I made little bags of lavender and such and put those in, which smell nice, but I am not sure if they do anything to keep bugs away.... Jordana p.s. Some dresses I fold over at the waist and hang from pants clasp hangers --> mostly before I hem the dress I like to leave it like that for a couple of weeks to get any stretch out.... not sure if it makes a difference, just have never had any problems doing that, so i figure that i might as well keep doing it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 10:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JEfVSx022240 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JEeIWr023244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JEeFt7062498; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JEe3Nn062347 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB831CA47 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:35:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb33.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4305bec9.abe9 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DBe4zZecbSAIAAAAB,11b5ec12e6409bcf511e581b788594ce Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050819073531.CE7112F6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most recently I have bought approx. 10 metres each of medium weight white and black linen for AUS$8.00, which is a *very* good price - most nice linen starts at a minimum of AUS$20-25/metre. I plan to use it for soldiers shirts and linings. I have paid AUS$40/metre for enough handkerchief linen to make an ECW kerchief - I was in a hurry ( the day before an event! ;-} ), and this particular specialty quilting shop was the only place that I had ever seen handkerchief linen. A question - should linen rip in the same way that you can rip cotton from selvedge to selvedge/along the grain? If it should, does the fact that some linen doesn't indicate that it isn't qood quality linen? Yours in curiousity, Joannah in Brisbane, Australia --- Kahlara wrote: From: Kahlara Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Linen prices I know there are people from all over on the list - but on average what would you expect to pay per yard for a nice linen? ...either at a fabric store or online. Annette M (living in the no man's land of fabric stores) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 12:44:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JGimUJ024115 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JGh6nm036081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JGgpRt049955; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JGgPuF049615 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so818954nzd for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eHfESFdfCLpcOx7wSbGRsWuPi1fJB1b5shDtZqjig15lt9giEEkjBqvhNCgNH4AtkmrdMs+WAXUrPYgB5KyfJHHcwxGFbbvUbEVpZ3gsWdJNf3JFvbZtDyeQNaveEUcNy7Tc5PTAIeQjjqG1iLtBKb4d7ov80fhScx8yVAQTkN4= Received: by 10.36.74.13 with SMTP id w13mr3432nza; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.5.11 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:42:20 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question In-Reply-To: <20050819073531.CE7112F6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050819073531.CE7112F6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7JGgPuF049615 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/19/05, Joannah Hansen wrote: > A question - should linen rip in the same way that you can rip cotton from selvedge to selvedge/along the grain? If it should, does the fact that some linen doesn't indicate that it isn't qood quality linen? I try to avoid ripping linen - when I did, it produced much more distorted, stretched edges than on cotton. Maybe its just that my linens are heavier than the cottons that rip easily, I just know it doesn't work well for me. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 13:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JH3STY024272 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:03:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JH23fB037993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JGWC7v041976; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7JGUrhs040597 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-11481); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:30:05 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:30:00 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050819080049.03110280@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:30:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question In-Reply-To: <20050819073531.CE7112F6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> References: <20050819073531.CE7112F6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:35 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: >[snip] > >A question - should linen rip in the same way that you can rip >cotton from selvedge to selvedge/along the grain? If it should, does >the fact that some linen doesn't indicate that it isn't qood quality linen? > >Yours in curiousity, >Joannah in Brisbane, Australia When I cut linen, I draw a thread out and cut along the space. I must admit that I have not tried to tear linen since linen is much stronger than cotton. Given than the flax fibers in good linen are rather long (several inches) and strong, I wouldn't want to try to tear the actual fibers; cotton fibers are very short (long-staple cotton is only 1-1/2 to 2 inches) and when you tear cotton cloth, you actually pull the fibers apart rather than rip them. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 13:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JHK3hn024434 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JHJWG3040484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JHIsEj075708; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JHHbhV074782 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31138 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:38:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:38:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: [h-cost] History of men's swimwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO A series of vintage-to-modern photos here: http://www.gallimauphry.com/april_2005.html (This page is by the same guy who did the paper dolls I posted about last night.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 15:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JJ3Je3025656 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:03:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JJ2Dv8051344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JIXEvJ026916; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7JIWaRx026521 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93174 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2005 18:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wkPZINCMddNPiBrF7/1mUxOxRkJ1Pski3DK2twD+z7gzK8mqcGl+zY0dJGOvQxR+eafN9q9y97UqGh7Haujfc/YFS0WuaWkro0+nBWFjKl9QE33+RRVC73tHkSyReFv0ei/naNVPQ5qts+WkgAkgG7L6WijAEOiOl23mjfEY2sw= ; Message-ID: <20050819183230.93172.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:32:30 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508191809.j7JI8ElL009115@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: congrats and linnin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations on the database. It's wonderful when you can make a long-tern dream come true! Especially with sinuses. AND everything else you do. and Linnen. 1. I used to cut on the pulled thread. The linnen I used to get could ONLY be put asunder by doing it this way. You simply could not tear it across the grain. 2. The last couple of batches I got you CAN tear it ahd have it say on the straight grain. ?? what it that about. 3. the very last batch I got (at Mary JOs fabric wonderland near Charlotte, NC) behaved strangely. It looks like linnen, the very nice, not too slubby at all, like the holland samples in Salley Queen's 18 cent Fabric sample book. It tested out as linen with the burn test. It wasn't quite as wrinkly and crisp as some of the linnen I've used and seen. When I got it home, it doesn't hold starch (this is hard to explain, It just doesn't crisp up like some of the other linens I've used.) and it's got almost a powdery feel to it when I do the hand work. And it has an unfortunate tendancy to HOLE, or pull when I rip stiches out. Very strange. Mia in Charlotte, NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 16:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JKGIum026647 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JKFXUd058689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JKFFa6000863; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JJ75Iw051134 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so855321nzp for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OwKr9IaCYohgAZR9QUDAyF3s114suhSXwiXPYElY6SbDAmNDSuh+jiu++eGLIoC+C8ogeAaf4xJUDNQ/mADrIHyd0es8XOL1caSob5wee/U5hlDLbiwa/xOOrR8aBADsnKDzxmVaD1zUVCAViW6/t+eQHsyhvhkKz7ZTBRGq9lc= Received: by 10.36.105.14 with SMTP id d14mr1432283nzc; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:06:59 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: congrats and linnin In-Reply-To: <20050819183230.93172.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200508191809.j7JI8ElL009115@net.indra.com> <20050819183230.93172.qmail@web30114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7JJ75Iw051134 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mia, are you sure it is linen and not a linen/rayon blend or a linen/cotton blend? mary jo's is *EVIL* :) -Irmgart (in Durham, NC) On 8/19/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > > 3. the very last batch I got (at Mary JOs fabric wonderland near Charlotte, NC) behaved strangely. It looks like linnen, the very nice, not too slubby at all, like the holland samples in Salley Queen's 18 cent Fabric sample book. It tested out as linen with the burn test. It wasn't quite as wrinkly and crisp as some of the linnen I've used and seen. When I got it home, it doesn't hold starch (this is hard to explain, It just doesn't crisp up like some of the other linens I've used.) and it's got almost a powdery feel to it when I do the hand work. And it has an unfortunate tendancy to HOLE, or pull when I rip stiches out. Very strange. > > > > Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 18:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JM3TWN030652 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:03:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JM2GKW069626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JLbc0D056115; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web54702.mail.yahoo.com (web54702.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7JLbWEY055991 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolscostuming5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76884 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2005 21:37:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dXZLYXGzN1GFVGj8YN1FYkS5AMogHnpbHRWr3sxGxm9zOMtsYMnLH3NQMNB2aJ7XoIYfNrkr10/SRjj8lTl5g01R0LQr73iRpCdDTcYw/gJqXyKSdaWOr1bClRdz7BhQSB7KDsSh1rajOsA1F8cilc/vB0UAF175RUHcZ8wC2Zs= ; Message-ID: <20050819213726.76882.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.250.155.2] by web54702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:26 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508171810.j7HIAAMJ093011@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And she wasn't producing male heirs one after the other. Not her fault, but the French just couldn't understand a King that was faithful to his wife as Louis XVI. And a king that wasn't that interested in sex was something nearly impossible at the time, especially to the French, who were very used to Kings bedhopping--it was almost expected. Her husband wasn't disintered in sex-he was incapable of it. And once his problem had been fixed their first born apparently suffered from progeria, so maybe he shouldn't have had kids Carol Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 18:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JM3TuU030651 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:03:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JM2GKY069626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:02:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JLsFaZ067751; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JLs9TZ067591 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so829291wra for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:54:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r5vXe7uSbTbFi4lr0jvQGT+5kbWYHUDUzolTJ+/YX6Rlk6vuN6nfActtU36de1mh/7vSlmPWHigaAq/5fZ3NMXqpb5GXi6HLg4Vi50mVxueLDRIOLVcCUpx9cM9H5VKBv2bRAqhPA1bEFb9WiOHddyuk270qHQO2uqqmhyaqV9M= Received: by 10.54.39.61 with SMTP id m61mr2190599wrm; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.89.20 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae905081914542f3cb2c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:54:00 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In-Reply-To: <20050819213726.76882.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200508171810.j7HIAAMJ093011@net.indra.com> <20050819213726.76882.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7JLs9TZ067591 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am in the middle of reading Lady Fraser's Marie Antoinette -The Journey published in 2001 ISBN 0-385-48948-X. Among other things she shoots out of the water that whole things about Louis having that surgery he supposedley had. It was propganda that had been circulated to suggest he wasn't much of a man. Marie's brother Joseph simply came along and gave him a man to man talk on the birds and the bees and the neccesity of a royal line. Louis was disinclined to sex odd for the grandson of the other Louis who was such a naughty boy. Bice On 8/19/05, Carol Mitchell wrote: > And she wasn't producing male heirs one after the other. Not her > fault, but the French just couldn't understand a King that was faithful > to his wife as Louis XVI. And a king that wasn't that interested in sex > was something nearly impossible at the time, especially to the French, > who were very used to Kings bedhopping--it was almost expected. > > Her husband wasn't disintered in sex-he was incapable of it. And once his problem had been fixed their first born apparently suffered from progeria, so maybe he shouldn't have had kids > > Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 18:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JMJHDE030803 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:19:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JMInkX071289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JMIljG083433; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JMIiXY083361 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:18:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:18:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4305DD34.6020400@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storing Outfits Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:18:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2005 22:18:39.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3268B60:01C5A50B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Does anyone have any advise about storing outfits? A couple of years ago, > I made little bags of lavender and such and put those in, which smell > nice, but I am not sure if they do anything to keep bugs away.... I know some people get the cedar chips they sell at pet stores and make little bags. I've heard lavender works well too, though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 18:30:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JMU9rH030913 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JMTgch072210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JMTDQl089730; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JMSt5G089605 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08512 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:28:54 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Thread-Index: AcWlCb/MCjQncIbvTJeLnQpjixP1OwAADmog From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7JMSt5G089605 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We will probably never know for certain what was propaganda and what was fact in the whole Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette relationship. Anyway, a French King(or indeed very few European male rulers, period)wasn't faithful to poor Queen Consort as a rule. Marie Antoinette had a lot of strikes against her. She was foreign-born and meddled in French/Austrian politics enough apparently--and that was a no-no for any Queen Consort of any country--to earn unpopularity among the all the Estates(aristocracy, Church, and everyone else). The French, especially, were used to Queen Consorts that practically lived quietly apart from the court, didn't meddle in politics(at least not openly)and only made necessary public appearances, ideally with a lot of princes and a princess or two in tow. Consorts like Anne of Austria or Eleanor of Aquitaine were not the preferred model. She was pretty, outgoing, and for many years, childless. Naturally, not being constantly pregnant and kicking out an heir, preferably male, was the woman's fault. Keeping late hours, indulging in a lot of physical activity(if you were of the leisure class), primarily horseback riding, and keeping one's mind on fashion and frivolity was all considered non-condusive to child-bearing, if one were female. And she wasn't well-educated--the female mind in most persons view, wasn't equipped to handle the curriculum that didn't even exist for future Queen Consorts. It doesn't even exist today--witness the very public trials of the late Princess Diana within the British royal family. Being royal if one wasn't born into it, was always an uphill battle, learn as you go, with little or no help, and no guidebook. The first living child of Marie and Louis was a girl and she lived well into the 19th century. Pushed into an unhappy marriage by Louis XVIII, she survived as a history footnote. It will be interesting to find out how historically correctly costumed Sophia Coppola's movie on Marie Antoinette(set to release sometime in 2006) will be. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 19 19:47:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JNlhtJ031664 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:47:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7JNl75B080276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JNl2vp034676; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7JNknhH034492 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [69.92.43.218]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 28778127 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:08:57 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:46:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c5a518$490994d0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.43.218 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Storing Outfits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the person wondering how to properly store her antique clothing, check out the National Park Service Conserv O Grams http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/publications/conserveogram/conserv.html What are Conserve O Grams? They are short, focused leaflets about caring for museum objects, published in loose-leaf format. You can download and print these from their web site. There is lots of useful information here. I recommend especially 4/5 Storage Techniques for Hanging Garments: Padded Hangers 4/15 Storage Techniques for Hanging Garments: Dust Covers and 16/1 Causes, Detection, and Prevention of Mold and Mildew on Textiles There is no charge. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storing Outfits > Does anyone have any advise about storing outfits? A couple of years > ago, > I made little bags of lavender and such and put those in, which smell > nice, but I am not sure if they do anything to keep bugs away.... I know some people get the cedar chips they sell at pet stores and make little bags. I've heard lavender works well too, though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 02:57:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7K6vIws009130 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:57:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7K6udM2007750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K6uXZE007658; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K6uUkw007642 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC0E1E620 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb23.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.430654e1.3e86 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DBtQcN5qQCwIAAAAB,b157be671261480a600f4ad497296055 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050819235628.D0BBB0F4@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank-you, I wondered if it was something like that. I gave up trying to rip linen, by the way, and generally use the drawn thread method. It was just a question that occurred to me when the linen topic came up. Joannah. --- Joan Jurancich wrote: From: Joan Jurancich Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:30:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question At 07:35 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: >[snip] > >A question - should linen rip in the same way that you can rip >cotton from selvedge to selvedge/along the grain? If it should, does >the fact that some linen doesn't indicate that it isn't qood quality linen? > >Yours in curiousity, >Joannah in Brisbane, Australia When I cut linen, I draw a thread out and cut along the space. I must admit that I have not tried to tear linen since linen is much stronger than cotton. Given than the flax fibers in good linen are rather long (several inches) and strong, I wouldn't want to try to tear the actual fibers; cotton fibers are very short (long-staple cotton is only 1-1/2 to 2 inches) and when you tear cotton cloth, you actually pull the fibers apart rather than rip them. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 03:19:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7K7JZGd012636 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7K7JAgO009211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K7J8If014739; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K7J35o014713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-221-86-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.86]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7K7IxCb007606 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:19:02 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c5a557$54ddffa0$56ddf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e3.422a4ecb.30348d0d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:18:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) > > In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:26:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: > > I was just looking at the Simplicity website and it appears that there's > another Martha McCain ACW pattern #4400 > > > Not bad. Looks like Scarlet's dress she wears thru the Reconstruction. I > prefer the fuller sleeves. I just don't see many tight sleeves in 1860s > pics....actually I can't remember seeing ANY. [1840s is another matter] and the > shallow point is very 1850s to me. The cartridge pleating all the way 'round is > also very 1840-50s. Most 1860s day dresses have waistlines that go straight > across, with the bodice closing CF and the waistband of the attached skirt in > flat pleats closing a little left of CF, hidden in a pleat with a hidden > pocket there. > > But y'know...never say never.... I'll admit the narrow sleeves are not terribly common but they do turn up e.g. http://snipurl.com/h35y [1] the sleeves are still moderately full but not incredibly so, http://snipurl.com/h35z [2] they all have narrow sleeves but especially the woman in black, http://snipurl.com/h362 [3] the woman on the left, and http://snipurl.com/h366 [4] very similar to the design with two puffs but the puffs are larger and more droopy this is also an example of a pointed waist and the woman on the right has a fully pleated skirt. As for the pointed waistline, looking at these fashion plates I see as many pointed waistlines around 1858-60 as I do horizontal waistlines, by about 1862 the pointed waistline has died out in favour of the horizontal waistline. e.g. http://snipurl.com/h36b [5], http://snipurl.com/h36c [6], http://snipurl.com/h36f [7] though this one's a zouave style so maybe it's a special case, http://snipurl.com/h36g [8], http://snipurl.com/h36i [9] and http://snipurl.com/h36j [10] So I'm not sure about combining the elements (though no. 4 does) as the sleeves are generally mid 1860s and the bodice is late 50s to early 60s, but the bodice would certainly suit somebody up to c 1863 who is a year or two behind the fashions and for those who are up to date on the latest fashions it could be a dress which is a couple of years old as this style is not so easily altered as the peplum style bodices if you have cut the skirt to accomodate the point of the bodice (instead of just folding it down). Elizabeth P.S. If the snipped URLs don't work the full URLs are 1. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=154&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 2. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=156&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 3. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=153&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 4. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=143&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 5. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=421&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 6. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=128&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 7. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=151&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTM P=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 8. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=110&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 9. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=129&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb 10. http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=102&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/search_results-sub.html&CISOVIEWTM P=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 03:23:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7K7NY3G013025 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7K7NEZ8009414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K7NE5d016096; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7K7NAma016079 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E6Nh70vBr-0006jT; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c5a558$0389e140$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050819235628.D0BBB0F4@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen prices, and a question Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:23:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have to laugh here... I have been seeing in stores candles that when lit that smell like linen. So all you fabricoloics you better go get some! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 11:00:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7KF0iUD010493 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:00:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7KExj3A052793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KExbOj078127; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KExWQf078021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7KGPoNF021043 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:25:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:59:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200508171810.j7HIAAMJ093011@net.indra.com> <20050819213726.76882.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com> <7164eae905081914542f3cb2c1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae905081914542f3cb2c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508201059.19321.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 19 August 2005 5:54 pm, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > I am in the middle of reading Lady Fraser's Marie Antoinette -The > Journey published in 2001 ISBN 0-385-48948-X. Among other things she > shoots out of the water that whole things about Louis having that > surgery he supposedley had. It was propganda that had been circulated > to suggest he wasn't much of a man. Marie's brother Joseph simply came > along and gave him a man to man talk on the birds and the bees and the > neccesity of a royal line. Louis was disinclined to sex odd for the > grandson of the other Louis who was such a naughty boy. Maybe not so odd. Louis certainly knew of his grandsire's conduct, and may have been disgusted at the thought of performing such acts himself. > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 13:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7KH3jBp012124 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7KH34rh061656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KH31ND030484; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KH2vfP030431 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1d9.42e77032 (4552) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.42e77032.3038bc38@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:02:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/20/2005 3:19:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: http://snipurl.com/h35y http://snipurl.com/h35z These don't look narrow to me. Granted they aren't pagoda sleeves....they're NARROWER.... but I'd not say they are fitted at all. And the other examples are all split at the bottom to give that bell shape with the engagent or poofed to have a full silhouette...the effect of the blue dress with the two upper arm poofs. The trend is definitely to have fullness on the arm. And the skirts are flat pleated. BUT...like I say...never say never. The other thing is, fashion plates are fashion plates. The real dresses I've seen are usually full of sleeve and sans point. I don't mean to sound argument here...just letting you know where I'm coming from. I'm sure we'll both agree that in the early 60s sleeves are generally full and the point from the 50s is still around. This tends towards a narrower [but not fitted] sleeve and a straight waistline as the decade progresses. Also, that the Simplicity pattern is right good and well worth having. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 20 19:28:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7KNS5HF015930 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7KNRCXC089637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KNOkAv084904; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7KNOhpH084854 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14189 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2005 23:24:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w7S4FCtprqkM/GsXOVgfUMAMKbkz3INNUWxMopqlnzowX8400VR0Vr9dN7FakLwqXJzJ3NV6LD05mtPQ1xFe7MK2diRgnUnMuTP77u9rehLLCv3ODhV6MUxhfgUqhAbyT0U0BEIf6OANGyPZJrK5t600XVO2WlqGrWKpVtIi5mo= ; Message-ID: <20050820232438.14187.qmail@web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:24:37 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Celebration! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001c01c5a456$593119e0$6800a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It just doesn't seem possible for it to be 10 years! If I had to guess how long it had been, I'd have guessed 5 or 6. But you just don't forget it when you see "What color is Dead Spaniard?" Pam Dotson --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 01:14:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7M5EsqH002174 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7M5DuwE024540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7M5DnJw006066; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7M5DilB006012 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7M5DWa1025791 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:43:32 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7M5DWMl025776 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:43:32 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:42:37 +0930 Message-ID: From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@mail.indra.com'" Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:38:59 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi: Does anybody know of a way to get stubborn wrinkles out of wool? I dyed a piece of 100% wool cloth on the stove top, and I'm worried that the wrinkles have "set". Ironing has got some out, but others are staying there. Would a dry-cleaner be able to steam them out? Any clues? Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 07:18:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MBI69x003112 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:18:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MBHTBY063140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MBHN60055782; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MBHIDM055696 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j7MBHBX05688.; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:17:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:17:11 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:16:55 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7MBI69x003112 Status: RO Did any UK list members see the first episode of this new series? It's what we've all been longing for; a historical reconstruction series using experts instead of whingeing, bickering members of the public. Five people are working an early 17th century farm; they don't know how to do everything straight away, but they know what sort of thing to expect and are used to working in period costume. Great stuff! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 07:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MBPc0Q003139 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MBPBPP063707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MBPAB1058850; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MBP4cl058779 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74520 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 11:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 11:24:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:25:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:16 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Did any UK list members see the first episode of this new series? >It's what we've all been longing for; a historical reconstruction >series using experts instead of whingeing, bickering members of the >public. Five people are working an early 17th century farm; they >don't know how to do everything straight away, but they know what >sort of thing to expect and are used to working in period costume. Great stuff! > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor Me! Me! I was delighted, except for the lady's corset, which was straight from Janet Arnold, but I guess would have been worn for some years into the 17th century if you were not living in a city where fashion moved on. But no complaints or whines about linen and wool clothing, or even having to wear a corset, just comments about how things felt. I have my next eleven Fridays already booked. (For those who don't know, they are showing one programme for each month of the farming year, starting in September. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 10:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MEgo8T004290 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MEg1xi097500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MEfvUb060740; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MEfr3G060701 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26482 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 15:17:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:17:23 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1056.67.188.164.116.1124721714.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi: > Does anybody know of a way to get stubborn wrinkles out of wool? > I dyed a piece of 100% wool cloth on the stove top, and I'm worried that > the > wrinkles have "set". Ironing has got some out, but others are staying > there. > Would a dry-cleaner be able to steam them out? > Any clues? I have a *clue* but no experience. If hot water created them, maybe hot water can get them out. I think trying to steam it at a drycleaners would be a good first step and after that, maybe try the stove top again. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 10:58:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MEwJBR004452 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MEvRai099707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MEvLEA071893; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from itasca.net (exim@zogfrog.itasca.net [12.157.198.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MEv8fD071752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from www-data@itasca.net) Received: from www-data by itasca.net with local (Exim 4.24) id 1E7DjS-0005hQ-8z for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:57:02 -0500 Received: from riviera.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (riviera.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.21.247]) by webmail.itasca.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1124722622.4309e7be24069@webmail.itasca.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:57:02 -0500 From: ynes@sskip.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool References: <1056.67.188.164.116.1124721714.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1056.67.188.164.116.1124721714.squirrel@www.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 130.14.21.247 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Diana Habra : > > > Hi: > > Does anybody know of a way to get stubborn wrinkles out of wool? > > I dyed a piece of 100% wool cloth on the stove top, and I'm worried that > > the > > wrinkles have "set". Ironing has got some out, but others are staying > > there. > > Would a dry-cleaner be able to steam them out? > > Any clues? > Did you try pressing them out with a damp (not soggy) pressing cloth and a hot iron? I usually use a dry iron and press until the cloth is dry. This is quite easy with flat fabric and a bit annoying with garments, but it's always worked for getting out wrinkles in wool. - Ynes ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 11:28:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MFS4Og004656 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MFRZ1v007225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MFRUIe096556; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MFRQpK096466 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24178 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:27:25 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Thread-Index: AcWnDCruiDLGxT1JSzWMFUzJco8ZjwAIEbTQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7MFRQpK096466 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You lucky people across the pond!! I read about this series in a recent issue of BBC History and hope it will come to the U.S. eventually to our PBS stations or perhaps A&E or the History Channel. I don't think it will be soon--it took quite a while for Regency House Party to come to our shores. But from what I read in BBC History, it is actually historical expert specialists that are having to live for months as if they were in the 1620s, not a bunch of people without much knowledge of history chosen and thrown together like our "Colonial House" which was kind of "Survivor: 1625" They get help and guidence from other history experts. Like a specialist in 17th century costume has to learn to care for animals on the farm, etc. If they do show it over here, our programmer will probably have to to change the title from "Tales from Green Valley" to 17th Century House, least viewers think it is a farming show, or at best, an offshoot of "All Creatures Great and Small" or a dramatization of the life of Beatrix Potter. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 11:29:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MFTKAl004674 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MFSkDK007438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MFSgKB097463; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MFSbwI097282 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80871 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 15:28:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LGK6JaZP/Oim6pO30U3kBzVmLgW6zypkBSbiMCSBsW3Zcb233kTuV3eoyYTV38Eff/H4sWjng6pPBzPAH0k00QMKYj/skzd0V3ziQJ1Sq8973GQHey50U7oOLWgSdp0NeczEzZHWW6ZiGBoigTlTrmL8M+632NDRDtmric7DM/I= ; Message-ID: <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:28:29 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which channel airs it? if it is bbc I might be able to see it over the internet, would be nice. Tania Suzi Clarke wrote: At 12:16 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Did any UK list members see the first episode of this new series? >It's what we've all been longing for; a historical reconstruction >series using experts instead of whingeing, bickering members of the >public. Five people are working an early 17th century farm; they >don't know how to do everything straight away, but they know what >sort of thing to expect and are used to working in period costume. Great stuff! > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor Me! Me! I was delighted, except for the lady's corset, which was straight from Janet Arnold, but I guess would have been worn for some years into the 17th century if you were not living in a city where fashion moved on. But no complaints or whines about linen and wool clothing, or even having to wear a corset, just comments about how things felt. I have my next eleven Fridays already booked. (For those who don't know, they are showing one programme for each month of the farming year, starting in September. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 11:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MFtMGE004875 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MFsNNa010492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MFsFSt016436; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MFs34D016160 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77635 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 15:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 15:53:55 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:53:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley In-Reply-To: <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:28 22/08/2005, you wrote: >Which channel airs it? if it is bbc I might be able to see it over >the internet, would be nice. It is BBC 2, on a Friday at 7.30 our time. And to Cindy's comment - Yes, at last the powers-that-be have cottoned on to the idea that it just *might* be interesting to see experts doing their thing in a real life setting. I have seen, for example, the man who owns and works the oxen in another period situation. (Pulling a cart for the Globe one Christmas, but that is another story.) Unfortunately, for "Health and Safety reasons" (!!!) they are not allowed to sleep overnight in the farm house. > >Tania > >Suzi Clarke wrote: >At 12:16 22/08/2005, you wrote: > >Did any UK list members see the first episode of this new series? > >It's what we've all been longing for; a historical reconstruction > >series using experts instead of whingeing, bickering members of the > >public. Five people are working an early 17th century farm; they > >don't know how to do everything straight away, but they know what > >sort of thing to expect and are used to working in period costume. > Great stuff! > > > >Kate Bunting > >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >Me! Me! I was delighted, except for the lady's corset, which was >straight from Janet Arnold, but I guess would have been worn for some >years into the 17th century if you were not living in a city where >fashion moved on. But no complaints or whines about linen and wool >clothing, or even having to wear a corset, just comments about how >things felt. I have my next eleven Fridays already booked. (For those >who don't know, they are showing one programme for each month of the >farming year, starting in September. > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 16:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MKINGq006294 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:18:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MKH8qe041878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MKG5oh023148; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MK6s25017106 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8E3CC1ECDB8; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.11.204.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.11.204]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ABADF1EE066 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1><20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My first thought was that this was based on that "How Green Was My Valley" movie from the 40s. For a split second there, I was trying to figure out how on earth that could possibly be turned into a reality series... "And Ronald has survived the longest in the coal mine without getting gastric cancer! He wins a brand new Kia Sportage!" Does the show have a website? I looked on the BBC website but according to their search engine, the show doesn't exist. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 17:47:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MLlh0c006716 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MLknRB053735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MLk72D094927; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MLdhZL089529 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A041F138546; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.11.204.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.11.204]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B0A7139DBB for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:55:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <009501c5a74b$5bb5e400$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1056.67.188.164.116.1124721714.squirrel@www.inreach.com> <1124722622.4309e7be24069@webmail.itasca.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:57:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO One of the ways I deal with wool in general is to hand wash it, then let it drip about halfway dry. When it's no longer dripping all over everything, but still damp, I iron it dry, which gets rid of any wrinkles without fear of water spots. It works best with worsteds, though, because with woolens it'll stretch the fabric out noticeably... fine if you plan to dryclean, but not so great if it'd mean you'd have to iron the gown dry each time you wash it! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 17:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MLtpDB006752 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MLLRgl049209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MIk2Mu053292; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MG0639020985 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j7MFxxX25028.; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:59:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:59:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:59:42 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7MLtpDB006752 Status: RO BBC2 (Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a website for the series.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> tania_gr17@yahoo.com 22/08/2005 16:28 >>> Which channel airs it? if it is bbc I might be able to see it over the internet, would be nice. Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 17:55:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MLtqiv006755 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:55:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MLW1cD051008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MIWUhk043546; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MFUMwj098638 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81721 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 15:30:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tdayvkKT1NWFfjJWFLclpmx939FMIZjOsARpOnNhS9ZF5J6KMClzci+vzI/46cmPypq/FReQFP2t/o/vXx5nsoG4z+beIjjYPMJFwKOr8y3inmODY1PzVSDoYq2AUIv6BNgdWdgODZx08JotxW+3c4yXIBzUVxCJlBkhPeffHEw= ; Message-ID: <20050822153016.81719.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:30:16 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1056.67.188.164.116.1124721714.squirrel@www.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1035/Mon Aug 22 05:37:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not sure this will work with wool, it does with linen. Mist the fabric generously with clean water and put in a plastic bag for a couple of hours, then iron. The stay in the plastic will ensure that everything is damp. Tania Diana Habra wrote: > Hi: > Does anybody know of a way to get stubborn wrinkles out of wool? > I dyed a piece of 100% wool cloth on the stove top, and I'm worried that > the > wrinkles have "set". Ironing has got some out, but others are staying > there. > Would a dry-cleaner be able to steam them out? > Any clues? I have a *clue* but no experience. If hot water created them, maybe hot water can get them out. I think trying to steam it at a drycleaners would be a good first step and after that, maybe try the stove top again. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 18:02:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MM2KGh006803 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:02:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MM1vKY057252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MM0otG007243; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:01:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MLxgnX005993 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 72503 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 21:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 21:59:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822225854.01cd29e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:59:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley In-Reply-To: <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 20:10 22/08/2005, you wrote: >My first thought was that this was based on that "How Green Was My >Valley" movie from the 40s. For a split second there, I was trying >to figure out how on earth that could possibly be turned into a >reality series... "And Ronald has survived the longest in the coal >mine without getting gastric cancer! He wins a brand new Kia Sportage!" > >Does the show have a website? I looked on the BBC website but >according to their search engine, the show doesn't exist. > >-E House Try this - I haven't read much of it, but it might help. http://www.petersommer.com/tv_tales.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 18:13:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MMDRHI006870 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:13:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MMCxsb059012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MMCrmD016602; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MM6csN011677 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 44130 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 22:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 22:06:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:06:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Information re wool weaves - simple please! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been asked to reproduce a garment for a museum. A pattern has been made copying some original fragments, which were of "tabby weave" wool. Could somebody please, in layman's terms, tell me what tabby weave looks like. (I do not need to know *how* it was woven right now.) I need to find a modern wool that resembles it, and I don't know what I am looking for. Please don't give me names of wool unless you know they are English. I have not had time to write that American/English costume dictionary that I have been threatening since I first arrived in America with a theatre wardrobe and couldn't buy scissors the size I wanted till I discovered they are called shears!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 18:38:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MMcOeG006976 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:38:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MMbubX062518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:37:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MMbrh4037426; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7MMblcm037242 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52717 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 22:37:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Ax60RyZ/FUUP1+ZJSRs3Rtkutim91Z4Jj6vkpTFgGhOGddOHpe/+yQEm4WAbx3fc/LcVvybCACcmRDpQSG7mPT+WJh21rGmA7PzBEHDmD6db+bcRTBc/oKUXWt1MKlT5jwR3zoZ5mgicOfek/M2MsyIwfK/TEX8PNPpU7LJ+cQ= ; Message-ID: <20050822223740.52715.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:37:40 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Information re wool weaves - simple please! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tabby is another name for plain weave, regular over one, under one. -I-I-I-I I-I-I-I- -I-I-I-I If you wove a potholder out of knit-fabric loops, the weave you used is tabby or plain weave. Ann in CT --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > I have been asked to reproduce a garment for a > museum. A pattern has > been made copying some original fragments, which > were of "tabby > weave" wool. Could somebody please, in layman's > terms, tell me what > tabby weave looks like. (I do not need to know *how* > it was woven > right now.) I need to find a modern wool that > resembles it, and I > don't know what I am looking for. > > Please don't give me names of wool unless you know > they are English. > I have not had time to write that American/English > costume dictionary > that I have been threatening since I first arrived > in America with a > theatre wardrobe and couldn't buy scissors the size > I wanted till I > discovered they are called shears!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 18:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MMjwU7007017 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MMgZcf063229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MLZhjG085995; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MLZM8Q085549 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1E7Jws-000MvG-6w for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:35:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:34:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$p+N+Jnz4zNyaF4trBiTWmId+r>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes! Yes! wasn't it great! Real re-enacting, telling us the things they already know and the things they find out by doing. I found it interesting that the "maidservant" was doing the work with the horse, principally because she knows horses better than any of the others. And the two "farm labourers" are archeologists, I'm assuming they are used to long days of digging so they're fit enough for the work. Ruth, the "farmer's wife", has done work with The Tudor Group - I remember her doing a lecture on swaddling at Kirby Hall one year - so maybe she had her own corset that she knew was comfortable and reckoned would be close enough to the date to live with. Looking forward to Fridays from now on! Jean Kate M Bunting wrote >Did any UK list members see the first episode of this new series? It's >what we've all been longing for; a historical reconstruction series >using experts instead of whingeing, bickering members of the public. >Five people are working an early 17th century farm; they don't know how >to do everything straight away, but they know what sort of thing to >expect and are used to working in period costume. Great stuff! > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 18:53:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MMrqV7007050 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:53:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MMr70C064393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:53:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MMr4Wx048479; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MMqwXj048402 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 911E61ECCCF; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.11.163.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.11.163]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 071481ECCC9 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00d501c5a76c$7b3c40a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1><20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1><009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Information re wool weaves - simple please! Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As Ann said, it's a plain, one over/one under weave. Unfortunately, that's such a general description that if they want you to match the original fabric, you need a lot more information! Woolen? Worsted? Fine? Coarse? shot/crossdye/changeable? 'Tabby' doesn't answer any of that, but could include any of the above and more. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 22 21:01:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7N11NXj007817 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7N10amN076956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7N10ROe023872; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7N10NtG023845 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-30933); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:28:29 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:28:25 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050822162523.03276150@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:29:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Information re wool weaves - simple please! In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:06 PM 8/22/2005, you wrote: >I have been asked to reproduce a garment for a museum. A pattern has >been made copying some original fragments, which were of "tabby >weave" wool. Could somebody please, in layman's terms, tell me what >tabby weave looks like. (I do not need to know *how* it was woven >right now.) I need to find a modern wool that resembles it, and I >don't know what I am looking for. > >Please don't give me names of wool unless you know they are English. >I have not had time to write that American/English costume >dictionary that I have been threatening since I first arrived in >America with a theatre wardrobe and couldn't buy scissors the size I >wanted till I discovered they are called shears!! > >Suzi "Tabby weave" simply means "woven over 1, under 1". Most plain linen is tabby woven. Avoid gabardine or twills. In order to find something that resembles the original, you will need to have the threads per inch in the warp and in the weft in order to find the right weight. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 02:34:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7N6YeFH021124 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7N6XirI018873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7N6XaoL080565; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7N6XVPj080481 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2944 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 06:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 06:33:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050823072726.01c8fc00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:33:25 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Information re wool weaves - simple please! In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050822162523.03276150@pop.surewest.net> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> <20050822152829.80869.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822164954.01d20ca8@127.0.0.1> <009b01c5a74d$63cc7030$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20050822230046.01cde010@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.2.20050822162523.03276150@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:29 23/08/2005, you wrote: >At 03:06 PM 8/22/2005, you wrote: > > >>I have been asked to reproduce a garment for a museum. A pattern >>has been made copying some original fragments, which were of "tabby >>weave" wool. Could somebody please, in layman's terms, tell me what >>tabby weave looks like. (I do not need to know *how* it was woven >>right now.) I need to find a modern wool that resembles it, and I >>don't know what I am looking for. >> >>Please don't give me names of wool unless you know they are >>English. I have not had time to write that American/English costume >>dictionary that I have been threatening since I first arrived in >>America with a theatre wardrobe and couldn't buy scissors the size >>I wanted till I discovered they are called shears!! >> >>Suzi > >"Tabby weave" simply means "woven over 1, under 1". Most plain >linen is tabby woven. Avoid gabardine or twills. In order to find >something that resembles the original, you will need to have the >threads per inch in the warp and in the weft in order to find the right weight. Thanks to all who answered. Very clear answers and in the simple form I asked for - I knew one (or more!) of you folks would be able to help. I would hope to get to look at the fragments before I actually make the thing, but need, as usual with museums, to give a quote sight unseen, so I needed to know what sort of wool I was looking for. (I have the Textiles book from the Museum of London, but to an non-weaver like me I'm afraid it didn't make a lot of sense.) I can go off tomorrow to my favourite shops and search for tabby woven wool with some idea of what it should look like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 04:04:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7N84hbr011089 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7N847lE024189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7N844k0019509; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7N840qZ019445 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j7N83sX28572.; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:03:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:03:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:03:36 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7N84hbr011089 Status: RO Thanks, Suzi. I, too, had searched the BBC website but could only find it mentioned in the listings. Typical that TV companies make a big fanfare over all the standard "historical reconstruction" programmes, but not this really worthwhile one (though there was a feature in "Radio Times"). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> suzi@suziclarke.co.uk 22/08/2005 22:59 >>> At 20:10 22/08/2005, you wrote: > >Does the show have a website? I looked on the BBC website but >according to their search engine, the show doesn't exist. > >-E House Try this - I haven't read much of it, but it might help. http://www.petersommer.com/tv_tales.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 06:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NAsS0x010170 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:54:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NArdbE039938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NAradZ092311; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7NArWKx092251 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27170 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 10:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 10:53:26 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050823115210.01cbb128@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:53:25 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dorset buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I know how to make these up, in theory. However, does anybody know where I can buy them ready made? The source can be in the U.S. as the customer is also in the U.S. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 08:38:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NCc8aG010689 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NCbSjX055154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NCb7jK041944; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sm4app00.siteprotect.com (sm4app00.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NCaXLq041752 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from sm4app00.siteprotect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sm4app00.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2733BDF for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:23:29 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UmU6IFtoLWNvc3RdIERvcnNldCBidXR0b25z?= X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:23:29 -0500 X-Uidl: 6.2.3.4.0.20050823115210.01cbb128@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: AtMail 5.1.2 Message-Id: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7NCaXLq041752 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi - Wooded Hamlet Designs carries very nice Dorset buttons at a very reasonable price. http://www.woodedhamlet.com/buttons_clasps/dorset_thread_buttons.html Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 On Tue Aug 23 4:53 , Suzi Clarke sent: >Hi. I know how to make these up, in theory. However, does anybody >know where I can buy them ready made? The source can be in the U.S. >as the customer is also in the U.S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 09:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NDIGt3010908 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:18:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NDHlJC067957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NDHjUt062240; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7NDHeZ6062094 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66956 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 13:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 13:17:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050823141708.01d63480@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:17:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dorset buttons In-Reply-To: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:23 23/08/2005, you wrote: >Suzi - > >Wooded Hamlet Designs carries very nice Dorset buttons at a very >reasonable price. >http://www.woodedhamlet.com/buttons_clasps/dorset_thread_buttons.html > >Carolann Schmitt >cschmitt@genteelarts.com >www.genteelarts.com >Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 > Thanks Carolann - they look just what I need. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 12:51:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NGp2FK012462 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NGoBRM090208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGo7lu014606; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGnxW2014494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-63.sonic.net [209.148.114.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGnvqx025982 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:49:58 -0700 Message-ID: <430B53B9.40101@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:50:01 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-SF X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Because many costumers read SF and fantasy, I thought people might be interested in the UK publisher PS Publishing. 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Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 14:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NIHbYZ013035 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NIFINV099936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NIFDKX081939; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7NIF3kI081742 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 90761 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2005 18:14:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v0MyEitv8XNAjqueCOST+5Wq+kywL6yjp+zanwnV5LLj1ZqMH+01KUeLhgDP6/zCiTsYVgWaAlxUf0Lw13AbxNsd3Eq9qjL2Td+7z/4yE6p1T493xNNeuatp1xEqi3uuIdnTTzuqPLC93GSJocKcOQVJO6hSFJg8hxXhvN+05rM= ; Message-ID: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:14:33 BST Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:14:33 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello I am reconstructing the Florentine lady of the Album Amicorum http://snipurl.com/h5yn So far I have established that I will require an appropriate shift, corset, one-piece overgown (with waist seam, shoulder rolls and possibly long 'fake' sleeves, open and tied behind), rope-underskirt or farthingale, 'decorative' skirt and ruff. What I'm uncertain about is whether the sleeves shown (which appear to be white) are part of a complete gown beneath the 'doublet' style gown or whether they are likely to have been pinned or tied on. I suppose this will also affect the 'decorative' skirt - if it is part of a complete gown then it will have to be attached... This is much later than anything else I've tried and I'm feeling pretty out of my depth. Any advice at all is very useful!! Many thanks, Katherine ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 16:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NKqv5H013990 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NKq7it018288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NKq0Dh004839; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NKpsU9004757 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LS78DL6IXS8YODN3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:51:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LS78DL1DEK8YPAMR@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:51:49 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:54:15 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? In-reply-to: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <430B8CF7.2020107@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO katherine sanders wrote: >What I'm uncertain about is whether the sleeves shown >(which appear to be white) are part of a complete gown >beneath the 'doublet' style gown or whether they are >likely to have been pinned or tied on. I suppose this >will also affect the 'decorative' skirt - if it is >part of a complete gown then it will have to be >attached... > > Both the white sleeves and the white skirt visible under the red overgown are likely to be part of the undergown. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 18:00:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7NM08xT014740 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:00:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7NLxL7G026127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NLxEnh055370; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NLx5Uj055176 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050823215856.CRPM9771.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:58:56 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.172.93]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050823215856.CTBD5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:58:56 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.15]); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:58:57 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c5a82d$dcb39b00$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:58:56 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am reconstructing the Florentine lady of the Album > Amicorum > http://snipurl.com/h5yn > What I'm uncertain about is whether the sleeves shown > (which appear to be white) are part of a complete gown > beneath the 'doublet' style gown or whether they are > likely to have been pinned or tied on. I suppose this > will also affect the 'decorative' skirt - if it is > part of a complete gown then it will have to be > attached... Ahhh the old question... for my money there are a few ways to tackle this. I had to explore a few ways myself for my Valois gown. Are those sleeves connected to an underdoublet? Are the sewn in? Laced in? Let's look at the evidence that we have: Extant items: kirtle from Northern Europe, sleeves laced in. This is a full under garment but the sleeves are seperate. I'm thinking so one could change the sleeves for a different look, or for easier cleaning/repair etc. Dorothea Sabine's Spanish inspired gown. Fitted sleeves sewn in. This one is closer to the date, but not so close to the area. http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm Girls' Spanish court gown, c1600. Fitted sleeves sewn in to the shoulders. Closer to your place and time, but the sleeves match. and there is an over gown. Alcega's pattern books. Generally the fitted sleeves are cut with a doublet. I don't know though if there were times where one would buy fabric just for the sleeves. It's possible. http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/patterns.htm The doublets however are not shown cut with skirts. The only skirted items that aren't gowns are cuerpo baxo y vasquina (kirtles in effect, with low square necklines and no sleeves.) There are patterns for gored skirts as well as half circle skirts: What I would do, to make the ensemble really usable is to make a matching skirt, jerkin style underbodice and sleeves. Made so you can wear all the layers if you wish, but also remove the jerkin style underbodice if you need to. This is what I'm doing for my Valois gown. I sewed both sets of sleeves to the doublet bodice but that will be laced from now on. I'm also making a jerkin to match my sleeves so that I can wear the under layers as a seperate ensemble or with the main gown. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm My gown is earlier than yours but they are related to each other. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 23/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 21:23:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O1NfZI017096 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O1N556047579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O1N1Jn072005; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O1MvDI071968 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m76.in-tch.com [216.166.191.76]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7O1GiR09012 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <430BCD62.4090100@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:29:06 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? References: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050823181433.90759.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bummer! the url didn't work for me...I get what I think is probably the website, but no images at all. --sue katherine sanders wrote: > Hello > > I am reconstructing the Florentine lady of the Album > Amicorum > http://snipurl.com/h5yn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 21:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O1VmCp017189 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O1VQee048355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O1VPHF075702; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7O1VKLA075604 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 35061 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2005 01:31:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ALhpDLhnzqyzZgCqkBz+RiFn5phOLL7Gmh6LtfOYZ9p549h/Z0+JQSUZBxUTMKrZynDs7w2M4St+OEuUoGSwzdxo4C7Ana98aU91weOfjxgbiSqXwI7RtBVOVjeHQcgFAYal1DRKkRKA52itOgLUyxJam9UoBiT9ly5BPr0DIik= ; Message-ID: <20050824013114.35059.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.250] by web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:31:14 EST Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:31:14 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <430BCD62.4090100@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, the image took a little while to load in my browser, but if you still can't see it I have the same image on my website. Here's the URL... http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/mygarb/FlorentineLady2.JPG Bella Sue Clemenger wrote: Bummer! the url didn't work for me...I get what I think is probably the website, but no images at all. --sue katherine sanders wrote: > Hello > > I am reconstructing the Florentine lady of the Album > Amicorum > http://snipurl.com/h5yn Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 21:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O1vFSu017504 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O1uF2k050534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O1uEfm087363; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O1uAc7087318 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:56:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7O1tsjR007185 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:56:08 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] IDing vintage buttons Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:55:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050824013114.35059.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all! De-lurking for a moment to ask a question on behalf of a friend. :) She writes: My SIL gave Sonny 2 buttons while we were home. They came from what was at one time the largest button collection in the world (Guiness Book and all!) one is a no kidding seal of the President, confusion as to the actual President, she said it was George's but the seal didn't exist then and the other was supposed to be from George (Washington). It is metal pressed into very worn leather. I will do some research and let you know what I find out. I volunteer at one of George W's homes so that will be my starting point. Does anyone know of a website documenting very old American buttons? Mag TIA for any info you can give! Kerrie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 22:52:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O2qOqQ018129 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O2p823055045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O2p4bR012907; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O2otv6012754 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7O2ona1017274 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:20:49 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0741.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7O2onMk017264 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:20:49 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:19:51 +0930 Message-ID: From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:19:50 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Getting wrinkles out of dyed wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions on getting the wrinkles out. I'll try ironing the damp cloth with a damp pressing sheet under it first, if that doesn't work I'll put it back on the stove top, heat it up in water and iron it dry. Hopefully this will fix it - I'd hate to have a dress that crumpled up every time it got wet. Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 23 23:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O3XaZq018593 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:33:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O3W7G7058497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:32:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O3W5mN032938; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O3W261032913 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7O3W6qr005023 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:32:07 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.90.62] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.62]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O3Vq8L151768 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:31:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:31:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] IDing vintage buttons In-Reply-To: References: <20050824013114.35059.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone know of a website documenting very old American buttons? I don't know of any website, but you could try writing to Williamsburg. They know a lot about early American garments, and probably buttons too. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 00:00:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7O40DhR018910 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:00:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7O3wbHM061835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O3wY7b048871; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:58:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7O3wULI048774 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050824035819.OQDW23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:58:19 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tales from the Green Valley Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:58:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWnDHjqUmDhtl0kRxeZgpBh+HInXABU2N1g In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050822122141.01d1f6f0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050824035819.OQDW23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WAAAAAAAH!!! I wanna see it too! Anne Me! Me! I was delighted, except for the lady's corset, which was straight from Janet Arnold, but I guess would have been worn for some years into the 17th century if you were not living in a city where fashion moved on. But no complaints or whines about linen and wool clothing, or even having to wear a corset, just comments about how things felt. I have my next eleven Fridays already booked. (For those who don't know, they are showing one programme for each month of the farming year, starting in September. Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 11:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OFX3gu025829 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:33:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OFU2Fw031548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OFGc9h061565; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OFGS4H061300 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7OFG4nt022946 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:16:15 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:16:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 17th cent brocades X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my, when I delurk I do so with a vengeance - 2nd question in as many days. ;) Would anyone happen to know of any good sources for brocade patterns from the 1790s (France)? I thought I'd add a bit of texture to a costume I'm working on and so far the only good sources I've been able to find are Elizabethan. Thanks so much! Kerrie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 11:33:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OFX9iU025832 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:33:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OFU2Fu031548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OFOfcq067611; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OFO1fT067178 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7OFNknt003989 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:24:01 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 17th century brocades (take 2) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops, forgive my typo - that should read ___late 1690s___ ! Would anyone happen to know of any good sources for brocade patterns from the 1790s (France)? I thought I'd add a bit of texture to a costume I'm working on and so far the only good sources I've been able to find are Elizabethan. Thanks so much! Kerrie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 11:33:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OFXCav025841 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OFU2G0031548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OFR1f6069106; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OFQKkf068569 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43856 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 15:26:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050824162347.01d2bcd8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:26:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1038/Tue Aug 23 16:45:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:23 23/08/2005, you wrote: >Suzi - > >Wooded Hamlet Designs carries very nice Dorset buttons at a very >reasonable price. >http://www.woodedhamlet.com/buttons_clasps/dorset_thread_buttons.html > >Carolann Schmitt >cschmitt@genteelarts.com >www.genteelarts.com >Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it when they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small round bone buttons. Anybody help please? Suzi (soaking wet after paddling round my favourite fabric shops, only to find a better source on line for ticking - grrr!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 12:04:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OG4e4B026139 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OG48tF038435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OG3s1j001240; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OG3cAf000944 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-11814); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:48:13 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:48:08 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050824084753.03129d80@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:48:47 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 17th cent brocades In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:16 AM 8/24/2005, you wrote: >Oh my, when I delurk I do so with a vengeance - 2nd question in as many >days. ;) > >Would anyone happen to know of any good sources for brocade patterns from >the 1790s (France)? I thought I'd add a bit of texture to a costume I'm >working on and so far the only good sources I've been able to find are >Elizabethan. > >Thanks so much! >Kerrie Are you looking for actual fabrics to purchase, or simply references for fabric patterns? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 12:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OGXCwQ026341 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OGWQ8w045163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OGW9ct026439; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OGW1ea026236 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 22885 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 17:07:47 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:07:47 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <15275.162.119.64.110.1124901119.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 17th century brocades (take 2) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oops, forgive my typo - that should read ___late 1690s___ Kerrie, Once you find the types of patterns you need, take a look at www.discountfabricsusa.com and let me know if you see any patterns that might work for you. I can offer you the fabric for *at least* half of what they list on their website (their prices are more for decorators) and I can also order a swatch so you can see it in person ahead of time. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 13:03:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OH34Rs026696 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:03:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OH2HuC050336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OH1uiE051307; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OH1Yw5050961 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42169 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2005 17:01:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qgh907MYyyXR2QoKuNO43a/NvGxrCg6QxjiGaX//I9axbbBotg5BsuZGwLx15YbB+mK2jenNW3noXybUKSg6d3fhqRbd0L7hS+it4IXNpqrhX1xFRLkD7r9RjKR4On8vE60Jpx4myVXvvY8agBEpchbmHjCBac3ULHhEvAv/BQ8= ; Message-ID: <20050824170128.42167.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:01:28 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 17th century brocades (take 2) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, You might try http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ . They say just cotton, but you can ask. Also try http://www.ghostforge.com/. SUPER nice people and great fabrics... Chris G. Kerrie wrote: Oops, forgive my typo - that should read ___late 1690s___ ! Would anyone happen to know of any good sources for brocade patterns from the 1790s (France)? I thought I'd add a bit of texture to a costume I'm working on and so far the only good sources I've been able to find are Elizabethan. Thanks so much! Kerrie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 13:23:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OHNLmM026866 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:23:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OHMkeo052911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OHMbKj067431; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OHMVAx067272 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466B23B5E2 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <430CACF6.9090905@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:23:02 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO **Caution. This link may contain material that is not suitable for viewing from your employer's internet connection.** "FASHION: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century" Edited by the Kyoto Costume Institute. Two thick volumes in a slipcase. Originally published at $39.99. Taschen, 2005 http://budplant.com/product.asp?pn=FASH I was wondering what proportion of the content was 18th century and what was 20th. Any comments? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 14:04:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OI4fD9027270 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OI3cFF058480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OI3LAq099794; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OI3A4W099603 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.1-00) with SMTP id 566bc034.2573953968.213007.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:02:05 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F7B7@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CCA - $100 Hides? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7OI4fD9027270 Status: RO Greetings, everyone! Please, I beg you, forgive this mass posting. After looking at the items at this URL http://store.yahoo.com/discountfabricsusa/1dolehi.html , I felt it would be a good thing to let folks know about the sale of hides going on, as they are in limited supply. I am not affiliated with these good folks, but have purchased from them in the past. If I have erred in this posting, I do most humbly apologize Lady Vilda Leusch aka Kate McClure _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 14:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OIJ9vI027401 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OIIZb3060115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OIIMmP011932; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OIIDtt011825 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:18:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23213 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:12 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? Thread-Index: AcWo0HRMoSUNZQKhRC2KHAypqOfb9wAB2SUg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7OIIDtt011825 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a two-volume reprint of the original "Fashion" which was about 720 pages. I have it. 20th century fashions, if I recall correctly, make up over 1/3 of the book as there are more 20th century fashions in existence than 18th and 19th. Cindy Abel. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? **Caution. This link may contain material that is not suitable for viewing from your employer's internet connection.** "FASHION: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century" Edited by the Kyoto Costume Institute. Two thick volumes in a slipcase. Originally published at $39.99. Taschen, 2005 http://budplant.com/product.asp?pn=FASH I was wondering what proportion of the content was 18th century and what was 20th. Any comments? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 15:06:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OJ6pGZ028000 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OJ6Cdl065711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OJ5uPN048029; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OJ5hNi047835 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7OJ5mqr027761 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:05:49 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.90.62] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.62]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OJ5VGY542828 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050824115932.0252ba98@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050824162347.01d2bcd8@127.0.0.1> References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it when >they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small round bone >buttons. Anybody help please? I don't think they make these anymore, but I have some. E-mail me off-list. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 15:07:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OJ7FCE028014 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OJ6ZUA065756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OJ6FAR048292; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OJ5iqS047844 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7OJ5nqr027853 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:05:49 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.90.62] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.62]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OJ5VGa542828 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:05:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050824120114.0252b918@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:02:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >This is a two-volume reprint of the original "Fashion" which was about >720 pages. I have it. 20th century fashions, if I recall correctly, make >up over 1/3 of the book as there are more 20th century fashions in >existence than 18th and 19th. And there ought to be one from the 16thC too. In the one-volume version it's a close-up only, of what used to be called the Devereaux Bodice. Lots of amazing handwork in that close-up. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 15:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OJA12T028064 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OJ9TAt066094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OJ8j6r050128; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OJ6V6a048443 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 55712 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2005 19:06:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VRFaCCxgohU1ko7ft8xYJcOdEd06nTQ2zQvvsrWmYBAueXYnR5SGXfNMx1BGGagWBCVvIMid+axmJNfswBj9aI7e+1BRx/qEA4OCqKe19UjIff5u27jBNAfvVtZuzxIvKyJdnTmu3wzXfeFdcUBaAielvhsjvopUUSmTFGpqVoY= ; Message-ID: <20050824190625.55710.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:06:25 BST Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:06:25 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] Album Amicorum: separate sleeves? To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Many thanks for all your help - Michaela, your research is awesome and I /love/ your Spanish gown. Wow. I forgot, also, that Bella had made a gown similar to this one! What can I say, brain addled by DIY and not enough sewing :-) I think on balance I'll go on your recommendation to make an 'under jerkin' bodice which I could leave off if necessary, (since despite living in Scotland I get freakishly hot. Too much yang or something.) plus sleeves and a skirt, below an outer gown with shoulder rolls and ruff. I was looking closely at the sketch again and noticed there are tiny gold bands going horizontlly around the sleeves, just like the clearer oil portraits of the time, which are hiding beneath what I thought were lines to indicate shading. That will decide on the type of fabric/embroidery I do on them at least. Many thanks again, time for more research before I bother the list about another imponderable. Katherine ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 16:48:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OKm6eC029154 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OKlAvG079469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKl5si027648; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKkrWI027487 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7OKkYY5017500 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:46:52 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] IDing vintage buttons Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050823203103.02640a70@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much, I'll pass it on! Kerrie |-----Original Message----- |I don't know of any website, but you could try writing to |Williamsburg. They know a lot about early American garments, and probably |buttons too. | CarolynKayta Barrows | _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 16:58:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OKwrYR029355 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:58:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OKtrfk080643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKt6hm034160; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKrxX2033279 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7OKrgY5022015 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:53:57 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 17th cent brocades Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050824084753.03129d80@pop.surewest.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was looking mainly for references. Even some good book citations would be wonderful as I'm fairly close to an excellent research library, but good sources for purchase are always welcome too! :) Kerrie |-----Original Message----- |>Would anyone happen to know of any good sources for brocade patterns from |>the 1790s (France)? | |Are you looking for actual fabrics to purchase, or simply references |for fabric patterns? | |Joan Jurancich | _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 17:00:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OL0Q2d029396 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:00:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OKvSVu080861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKuQDR035137; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host14.christianwebhost.com (host14.christianwebhost.com [209.239.35.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKu8rU034894 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kerrie@joyfulfaith.com) Received: from mainpc (pcp0010806571pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.45.242.254]) by host14.christianwebhost.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7OKtpY5024586 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:56:04 -0400 From: "Kerrie" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 17th century brocades (take 2) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <15275.162.119.64.110.1124901119.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1039/Wed Aug 24 14:40:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow Diana! Thank you, I will definitely save your contact info. :) Kerrie |-----Original Message----- |Once you find the types of patterns you need, take a look at |www.discountfabricsusa.com and let me know if you see any patterns that |might work for you. | |Diana |www.RenaissanceFabrics.net |"Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 17:04:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OL45SS029432 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OL16ol081415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OL0nVW038758; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OL0735038081 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.8d.2ddeb705 (4539) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.2ddeb705.303e39cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:59:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 17th century brocades (take 2) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1039/Wed Aug 24 14:40:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1039/Wed Aug 24 14:40:42 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/24/2005 4:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, emeraldepona@yahoo.com writes: Also try http://www.ghostforge.com/. SUPER nice people and great fabrics... I'm glad they're so nice but their silk brocades are great...for a Suzie Wong dress. I might use one or two of them for a bustle gown. I would try some expensive decorator suppliers. They may have some Leon silks or Scalamandre silks. Some oriental brocades can be used if they're not covered in bamboo and dragons in the clouds, but they tend to look 18th and 19th century. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 17:58:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OLwSji030002 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:58:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OLc5cv085818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKePIL022430; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OKTgnQ014450 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.19a.3aa1b6dc (4539) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.3aa1b6dc.303e32af@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:29:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/24/2005 4:20:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it when they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small round bone buttons. Anybody help please? Greenberg and Hammer used to gave small horn buttons...and large and medium ones too and at very reasonable prices per dozen, though that particular line seems to have disappeared. Still they have real horn buttons. I don't know if they have white bone ones. The site won't let me on the button page. Greenberg-Hammer.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 18:16:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OMGwAO030227 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OMG43a090461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OMG2xd096350; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7OMFvV5096198 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 41860 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2005 22:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2005 22:15:51 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050824231514.01cbd1e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:15:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons In-Reply-To: <19a.3aa1b6dc.303e32af@aol.com> References: <19a.3aa1b6dc.303e32af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:29 24/08/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/24/2005 4:20:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it >when they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small >round bone buttons. Anybody help please? > > > >Greenberg and Hammer used to gave small horn buttons...and large and medium >ones too and at very reasonable prices per dozen, though that >particular line >seems to have disappeared. Still they have real horn buttons. I don't know >if they have white bone ones. The site won't let me on the button page. I can't even get into the onstore catalogue thingy! Oh well........ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 18:40:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7OMeHb1030470 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:40:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OMdkKD093103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OMdiV5012834; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7OMdejB012722 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.204.885b361 (16111) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D43 (fwm-d43.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.19]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef430cf72353; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:39:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:39:31 -0400 From: cheryldee@aol.com Message-Id: <8C77713D3DC37C3-AB4-19A5A@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 63.147.165.2 by FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:39:30 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050824120114.0252b918@mail.frys.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13507 Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.19 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I consider this book a must have to any costume designer's library (for that is what I do). Eye candy. The close up details are extremely useful and the later costumes are largely ones influenced by Asian design. Ie. the Poiret fascination with kimonos and parasols, Fortuny, etc. The collection is also in incredibly good shape, giving the impression that the original colors have not faded or changed. I have considered a trip to Japan to study this connection up close and personal. I wonder, have any of you had that experience? Is part of it available to the public? How do they work with students wishing to study the collection? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows To: Historical Costume Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:02:25 -0700 Subject: RE: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? >This is a two-volume reprint of the original "Fashion" which was about >720 pages. I have it. 20th century fashions, if I recall correctly, make >up over 1/3 of the book as there are more 20th century fashions in >existence than 18th and 19th. And there ought to be one from the 16thC too. In the one-volume version it's a close-up only, of what used to be called the Devereaux Bodice. Lots of amazing handwork in that close-up. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 19:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7ONK7Tj030922 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7ONJYK8097405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ONJSbO037279; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7ONJNHd037174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 1E84Wb-0001mO-Ke; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:19:17 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 1E84Xx-00044P-00; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? In-Reply-To: <430CACF6.9090905@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the book in front of me, it is wonderful, I had time to grab one book to take to Newport Dance Week and that was it. The photos are crisp, rich and detailed, with full views and colse-ups. There are a few items that have only close-ups that I wish ahd front and back views though. I am curious to see how they have reformatted it for 2 volumes. approx # of pages: 125pp 18th century 155pp 19th century 175 1st 1/2 20th century 200pp 2nd 1/2 20th century Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 21:21:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P1LIWx032651 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P1KVRh011912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P1KQFY096278; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P1KNFC096217 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:20:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:20:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:20:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 01:20:18.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[276DD7B0:01C5A913] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But still much worth the purchase for the AMAZING colour pictures of actual garments. I have the original book (saw the two-volume one in Paris this summer and it looks exactly the same book). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? > This is a two-volume reprint of the original "Fashion" which was about > 720 pages. I have it. 20th century fashions, if I recall correctly, make > up over 1/3 of the book as there are more 20th century fashions in > existence than 18th and 19th. > > Cindy Abel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? > > **Caution. This link may contain material that is not suitable for > viewing from your employer's internet connection.** > > > "FASHION: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century" Edited by the > Kyoto Costume Institute. Two thick volumes in a slipcase. Originally > published at $39.99. Taschen, 2005 > > http://budplant.com/product.asp?pn=FASH > > > I was wondering what proportion of the content was 18th century and what > > was 20th. Any comments? > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 21:31:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P1VuhG032764 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P1VPdM012785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P1VObE000979; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7P1VKV8000905 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 83076 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 01:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 01:31:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050825022619.01d20118@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:31:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Buttons queries - no further need. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all those ladies who suggested or helped with suggestions for button sources. The "gentleman" has found someone else to do the job, now I have done a fair amount of time-consuming research, and no longer needs my help. Why couldn't he have done that *before* asking me, and sending me off to get samples etc. in the pouring bloomin' rain when I was already very busy. Grumble....... grumble. It doesn't happen often, and the lovley lady whose wedding dress I am busy on, makes up for people like him...........almost. Anyway, thanks for your time everyone. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 21:32:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P1WRcL000304 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P1W29v012843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P1W2Pd001211; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P1Vxro001152 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050825013149.JXRO23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:31:49 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:31:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWo+bLMG++18v+LR/+pyUTw6iSLNQAGTqtQ In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050824231514.01cbd1e8@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050825013149.JXRO23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think Smoke and Fire company has bone buttons. Their contact is: donlyn@smoke-fire.com (they were at Pennsic) Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons At 21:29 24/08/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/24/2005 4:20:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it >when they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small >round bone buttons. Anybody help please? > > > >Greenberg and Hammer used to gave small horn buttons...and large and medium >ones too and at very reasonable prices per dozen, though that >particular line >seems to have disappeared. Still they have real horn buttons. I don't know >if they have white bone ones. The site won't let me on the button page. I can't even get into the onstore catalogue thingy! Oh well........ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 22:02:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P22eaG000657 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P21DTR015168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P21BB0013553; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P215PA013495 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:01:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050825020100.KQOC23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:01:00 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Buttons queries - no further need. Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:00:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWpFWoiz9zCby5sRTqds5dHrvDVYwAANu7Q In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050825022619.01d20118@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050825020100.KQOC23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, don't that just put yer panties in a bunch? Sorry about having to slog around in the rain. I do hope we get to see pictures of the bridal dress:) Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Buttons queries - no further need. Hi all those ladies who suggested or helped with suggestions for button sources. The "gentleman" has found someone else to do the job, now I have done a fair amount of time-consuming research, and no longer needs my help. Why couldn't he have done that *before* asking me, and sending me off to get samples etc. in the pouring bloomin' rain when I was already very busy. Grumble....... grumble. It doesn't happen often, and the lovley lady whose wedding dress I am busy on, makes up for people like him...........almost. Anyway, thanks for your time everyone. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 22:55:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P2tSOo001329 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:55:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P2m1fw019341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P2lxnv033456; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7P2ls44033421 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 20749 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.17) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 25 Aug 2005 02:47:44 -0000 Message-ID: <430D3319.4050007@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:55:21 +1000 From: A & J Garden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20050825020100.KQOC23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <20050825020100.KQOC23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Train for 1890s dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm making an 1890s dress for a ball and want a train to hold at my wrist. Is there a certain length I should make the train in order for this to work? And what is the best way to attach it to my wrist for dancing? Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 24 23:33:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P3X5pt001731 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P3WduW023429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P3Wbc4052598; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P3WWtd052554 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9D012E357 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au (b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au [203.100.229.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1124940750.430d3bce3474b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:30 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Train for 1890s dress References: <20050825020100.KQOC23919.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <430D3319.4050007@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <430D3319.4050007@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO a train to hold at my > wrist. Is there a certain length I should make the train And what is the best way to attach it to my wrist for dancing? Length depends upon the style of the year and what looks right to you -- try it out in a rough calico version until it looks right. As to attachment, one of the most convenient and quickest to arrange is a loop to hook your thumb/finger/hand through, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 00:05:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P45b5p002059 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P450wX026006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P44w7i065775; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P44slw065734 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E88yz-0006rV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:04:53 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:04:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IIRC, the reason the photos are so crisp and the colors clear is that they used an 8-color separation printing process, rather than the usual 4-color. One wonders if the 2-volume edition only used 4-color, since it is so much cheaper than the 1-volume was. Just my opinion, and hopefully correct remembering..... Sandy At 08:32 PM 8/24/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: Katy Bishop >Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? > >I have the book in front of me, it is wonderful, I had time to grab one >book to take to Newport Dance Week and that was it. The photos are >crisp, rich and detailed, with full views and colse-ups. > >Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:20:17 -0400 >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? > >But still much worth the purchase for the AMAZING colour pictures of actual >garments. I have the original book (saw the two-volume one in Paris this >summer and it looks exactly the same book). "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 00:09:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P499bC002075 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:09:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P48aeN026351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P48ZJU067342; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P48VA4067263 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.12e.64c48b6b (24895) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.64c48b6b.303e9e35@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:08:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Train for 1890s dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/24/2005 11:33:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: Length depends upon the style of the year and what looks right to you -- try it out in a rough calico version until it looks right. Yes. Or if you're in a hurry, take a length of cloth, tuck it into your jeans' [or whatever you're wearing] waistband and take it up in your hand so it has a nice easy drape. A well shaped swag from waist...down and up... to your hand. Mark where you're holding it and use that length for your CB waist to hem length. As to attachment, one of the most convenient and quickest to arrange is a loop to hook your thumb/finger/hand through, The advantages of a loop near the CB hem for the wrist is that it's easier to find in the fullness of the train. Be sure the inside of the skirt looks good as it may be seen. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 01:57:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P5vShl002910 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:57:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P5uipo034415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P5ucAD007281; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P5tAdr006811 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AFFC3EF9 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:55:09 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1124949308514; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:55:08 -1000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:55:08 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> Message-ID: References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > IIRC, the reason the photos are so crisp and the colors clear is that they > used an 8-color separation printing process, rather than the usual 4-color. > One wonders if the 2-volume edition only used 4-color, since it is so much > cheaper than the 1-volume was. I have both versions--ordered the 2 volume set without realizing it was the same book. To me, the colors in the 2 volume set look just as vibrant and beautiful as those in the single volume. --and-- On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Katy Bishop wrote: > I am curious to see how they have reformatted it for 2 volumes. The 18th and 19th centuries are in Volume I and the 20th century is in Volume II. There's a very slight difference in page numbers. I haven't gone through page by page to see what the specifics are but the original book has 736 pages. In the new set Volume I is page 1-320 and Volume II is page 321-720. Either way I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who has said that it's a very beautiful book. lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 02:12:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7P6CJWW005909 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7P6Bw2P035675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P6ButV012970; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7P6BqEs012944 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from B8098.b.pppool.de [213.7.128.152] (helo=CELERON24) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1E8Axp3c2P-0007SF; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:11:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c5a93c$f3752600$988007d5@CELERON24> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com><6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:19:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The two-volume version has been published for the 25th Anniversary of the publisher "Taschen". I have roughly compared both versions and there are only a few differences, mostly in the 20th century section. The quality of the pictures is the same. A must have! (Either version) Michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > > > IIRC, the reason the photos are so crisp and the colors clear is that they > > used an 8-color separation printing process, rather than the usual 4-color. > > One wonders if the 2-volume edition only used 4-color, since it is so much > > cheaper than the 1-volume was. > > I have both versions--ordered the 2 volume set without realizing > it was the same book. To me, the colors in the 2 volume set look just as > vibrant and beautiful as those in the single volume. > > --and-- > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Katy Bishop wrote: > > > I am curious to see how they have reformatted it for 2 volumes. > > The 18th and 19th centuries are in Volume I and the 20th century > is in Volume II. There's a very slight difference in page numbers. I > haven't gone through page by page to see what the specifics are but the > original book has 736 pages. In the new set Volume I is page 1-320 and > Volume II is page 321-720. Either way I wholeheartedly agree with > everyone who has said that it's a very beautiful book. > > lisa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 07:05:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PB54VH004117 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PB4SfC073539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PB4MdW018198; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PB4GGO018163 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E8FWo3IxI-0005qO; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c5a964$bf07cb70$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:04:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mystery Designer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7PB54VH004117 Status: RO First off, I will be getting back to you all about your questions about the Color Database. I am really sorry about my delay. After being sick last week, I am pushing to wrap up the 1896 designers set, before this weekend. Then I have to move on to the Costume Encyclopedia. I will catch up in-between these projects. QUESTION: I am looking for the fashion design house, A. Izambard in St. Petersburg, Russia. If any of you have books on 19th Century fashion designers, can you please look and see if this designer is listed. This is what I have so far for the designer... This was written in 1896: A. Izambard's Clientèle: Hoflieferanten J.K.H Prinzessin Friedrich Leopold Von Preussen. De S.M. La Reine des Belges Empress of Dowager at her coronation at Moscow The Maison Izambard of St. Petersburg had been in existence many years. The design house made a specialty of court costumes, which were all of the same pattern and colors at the Russian Court when worn by the ladies of honor to Her Imperial Majesty. I have done a google on him and all I get is a romance writer. When I started this Designers of Their Time series, it was to find designers that the general public does not know for an era. But I am having trouble finding information about 14 designers in 1896 who designed for the royal courts of Europe. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 07:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PBSN5v004310 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PBRrtU075534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PBRq8V026218; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PBRnMV026201 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1E8Ftc0XTu-0007Xc; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c5a968$096bcd80$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:27:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colonial Williamsburg costume job X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7PBSN5v004310 Status: RO I am just the messenger, if interested go to the links provided: Penny Ladnier > I am Greg Russell, Recruiter for The Colonial > Williamsburg Foundation in > Williamsburg, Virginia, the restored 18th-century capital > of Virginia. > Please visit Colonial Williamsburg on the web at > www.ColonialWilliamsburg.org > . Interested individuals must > apply at > www.ColonialWilliamsburg.org/jobs. > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Gregory D. Russell, Recruiter > > The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation > > T: (757) 220-7033 > > F: (757) 565-8780 > > Jobs: www.ColonialWilliamsburg.org/jobs > > Established in 1926, the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation > is the > not-for-profit educational institution that operates the > restored > 18th-century capital of Virginia. > > > > Position Title: > > MGR COSTUME DESIGN CENTER > > Requisition ID: > > ECJ-06/05-185 > > Date Posted: > > 7/19/2005 > > Location: > > CDC-Costume Design Center > > Company: > > Colonial Williamsburg > > Department: > > Costume Design Center > > Division: > > 150-400-Historic Area > > Posting Description: > > Regular, full time exempt position; hiring rate up to > $62,000; benefits > eligible. > > PROFILE: > > Our work environment is fast-paced and quiet. Competency > and reacting > with a reasoned response is expected. No issue is > considered a > complaint but rather an opportunity to exceed customer > expectations in > an ever-changing business environment. We strive to see > the big picture > while handling multiple tasks with precision and > implementing > significant process improvements. Being proactive, > congenial, > disciplined, flexible and cross-trained helps us to > succeed. Getting > the job done having considered the impact of our actions > is critical. > Moving quickly to the next task is essential. It is not > unusual to work > beyond the normal daily schedule. > > DUTIES: > > Manages the daily operation of the Costume Design Center, > including > production, issuance, inventory and costume maintenance. > Oversees > management of costume inventory and maintenance of > inventory systems. > Ensures the authenticity of all costume designs and > oversees development > of costume standards. Provides leadership and support to > the Costume > Design Center staff. > > MINIMUMS: > > * Highly developed knowledge of 18th century clothing and > a sense > of color and design > * Working knowledge of the methodologies of costume > production > including excellent sewing skills and costume design > experience > * Excellent (1) financial skills, including budget and > resource/inventory management; (2) organizational, > analytical, and > problem solving skills; (3) communication skills, both > oral and written, > including the ability to produce reports, guide tours and > present > workshops and lectures > * Ability to (1) develop short and long-range work plans, > work > procedures and standards; (2) effectively lead work teams > and to train, > develop and manage employees so that they meet the > division's > expectations of the Costume Design Center and provide > exceptional > customer service to our employees; (3) manage multiple > tasks and to > respond to urgent critical needs effectively and > efficiently; (4) build > constructive relationships and work well with employees > in all levels in > the Foundation > * Skills generally gained through a four-year degree in > textiles, > plus four to five years progressive experience in costume > production, > including five years management experience; graduate > level study of 18th > century costume and experience managing a costume > production operation > is a plus > > NOTE: In resume section of online profile please > include names and > addresses of three work references, your letter of > application and a > resume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 09:32:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PDWESC005349 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:32:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PDVK9i084259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PDVHas077499; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.primushost.com (smtp3.primushost.com [209.58.220.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PDVCkm077436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp3.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 1E8How-00069T-Th; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:31:06 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1E8HqH-0001eH-00; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:32:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: A & J Garden Subject: Re: [h-cost] Train for 1890s dress In-Reply-To: <430D3319.4050007@earthlydelights.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One thing to consider with a train is how the skirt will drape when held up, especially while dancing. At Newport last week, while dancing at the Astors' 1890's Ball, one of the actors who works there was waltzing with her train in her hand, in a very lovely deep red (I think) dress, but you could see tons of white underskirt! Ruined the effect. Katy On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, A & J Garden wrote: >Hi, I'm making an 1890s dress for a ball and want a train to hold at my >wrist. Is there a certain length I should make the train in order for >this to work? And what is the best way to attach it to my wrist for dancing? >Thanks, Aylwen > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 09:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PDuILK005554 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PDtaHB086326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PDtD7e090355; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PDsmtZ090053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 1E8IBm-0005SZ-8B; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:54:42 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1E8ID7-0002HE-00; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Penny Ladnier Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Designer In-Reply-To: <003101c5a964$bf07cb70$6800a8c0@Penny> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7PDsmtZ090053 Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: "Le Costume en Russie: XVIIIe-debut du XXe siecle" Musee de L'Hermitage 1983 (sorry I only have it in French) Chanceau, Izambard. Propietaire d'un atelier de modes feminines actif a la fin du XIXe-debut du XXe siecle qui executait egalement des traines pour les robes de cour. Marque imprimee en lettres d'or sur un ruban de soie blanche ; au centre Izambard Chanceau St-Petersbourg, a droite et a gauche des ecussons les initiales M (then a Russian letter). In the book there is illustrated a court dress of deep red velvet with lots of gold embroiders and a cream underdress also with gold embroidery "seconde moitie du XIXe siecle" Katy On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Penny Ladnier wrote: >First off, I will be getting back to you all about your questions about the Color Database. I am really sorry about my delay. After being sick last week, I am pushing to wrap up the 1896 designers set, before this weekend. Then I have to move on to the Costume Encyclopedia. I will catch up in-between these projects. > >QUESTION: >I am looking for the fashion design house, A. Izambard in St. Petersburg, Russia. If any of you have books on 19th Century fashion designers, can you please look and see if this designer is listed. > >This is what I have so far for the designer... This was written in 1896: > >A. Izambard's Clientèle: >Hoflieferanten J.K.H >Prinzessin Friedrich Leopold Von Preussen. >De S.M. La Reine des Belges >Empress of Dowager at her coronation at Moscow > >The Maison Izambard of St. Petersburg had been in existence many years. The design house made a specialty of court costumes, which were all of the same pattern and colors at the Russian Court when worn by the ladies of honor to Her Imperial Majesty. > >I have done a google on him and all I get is a romance writer. When I started this Designers of Their Time series, it was to find designers that the general public does not know for an era. But I am having trouble finding information about 14 designers in 1896 who designed for the royal courts of Europe. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 11:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PFvqIx006859 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:57:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PFuud1000303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PFunc1073213; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PFuhXB073136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-221.sonic.net [209.148.114.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PFufsZ014513 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:56:42 -0700 Message-ID: <430DEA3E.3050903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:56:46 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you look at the photos through a magnifying glass, you could probably see how many colors of dots are in each rosette, therefore how they did their color separation. Unless they did stochastic screening. The reason for the low price of the two-volume edition, though, is probably a combination of (a) Most of these photos have been printed before, not just in the single-volume edition, but in earlier Kyoto Costume Institute books such as _Revolution in Fashion_. Therefore the photography, at least, was probably paid for by other books. (b) I'd guess there might have been a governmental or some other type of subsidy, or grant. I couldn't even _print_ these books for the cost the finished ones are selling for. And I'm talking about unit print price at the printer, not costs for photography, editing, writing, etc.; nor the necessary markups for going through retailers and distributors. I doubt they're actually making money. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > IIRC, the reason the photos are so crisp and the colors clear is that > they used an 8-color separation printing process, rather than the > usual 4-color. One wonders if the 2-volume edition only used 4-color, > since it is so much cheaper than the 1-volume was. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 12:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PGJu0P007114 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PGJLfN002718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PGJBKu090696; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PGFodm088094 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 22225 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 16:15:07 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:15:07 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1071.67.188.164.116.1124986550.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <430DEA3E.3050903@lavoltapress.com> References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> <430DEA3E.3050903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > (b) I'd guess there might have been a governmental or some other type > of subsidy, or grant. I couldn't even _print_ these books for the cost > the finished ones are selling for. And I'm talking about unit print > price at the printer, not costs for photography, editing, writing, etc.; > nor the necessary markups for going through retailers and distributors. Lucky us!! I remember buying the Kyoto book a few years ago and marveling at the price for a book with such a huge number of large color photos. I think I paid $40 for it. I would have expected to pay $100 or more just based on what other books cost. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 12:32:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PGWft9007209 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:32:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PGVtwr004428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PGUmHA099768; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PGUZsD099524 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523AF3B5EF for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:26:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <430DF227.1080202@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:30:31 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto (Fashion ) book References: <200508250132.j7P1W8Ui001269@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050824225921.0306e3f0@pop.radiks.net> <430DEA3E.3050903@lavoltapress.com> <1071.67.188.164.116.1124986550.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1071.67.188.164.116.1124986550.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > > I remember buying the Kyoto book a few years ago and marveling at the > price for a book with such a huge number of large color photos. I think I > paid $40 for it. I would have expected to pay $100 or more just based on > what other books cost. > Thanks for all the responses. Now if I can somehow hint to my husband that it would be a good birthday gift... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 12:42:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PGgbVK007310 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PGg5XY005809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PGg3ws008586; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PDlLWV086161 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-110-126.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.110.126]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j7PDSpwL016921 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050825084642.00a07970@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:47:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bone buttons, was Dorset buttons In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050824162347.01d2bcd8@127.0.0.1> References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1040/Thu Aug 25 01:32:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:26 PM 8/24/05 +0100, you wrote: >O.K. the customer has given me another option! (Don't you love it when >they change their minds - ah bless!) Now I need to source small round bone >buttons. Anybody help please? Jas Townsend & Son sells some bone buttons (and some wooden ones.) The size is very limited, though. http://jas-townsend.com/ Sheryl N-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 12:59:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PGx7nK007465 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:59:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PGwMiZ008058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PGwJIw020775; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PGAul6084265 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 21243 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 16:10:10 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:10:10 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1045.67.188.164.116.1124986253.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <004201c5a968$096bcd80$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <004201c5a968$096bcd80$6800a8c0@Penny> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colonial Williamsburg costume job From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> >> >> Gregory D. 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Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 13:23:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PHN9PL007749 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:23:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PHMgCl011197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHMIj4039098; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHM8rS038971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-221.sonic.net [209.148.114.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHM50V019114 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:22:06 -0700 Message-ID: <430DFE43.4060603@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:22:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where to buy kebayas and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO www.kebayas.com I just got four kebayas I ordered from them. It is a very small businesses based in Malaysia. The owner, Lily Yew, makes the kebayas herself. All mine are from her lower end, ready-to-wear lines. Even though it was RTW, for which you choose from already designed color and fabric combinations, she sent me fabric swatches to choose from, so I didn't have to depend on monitor colors. Even though her RTW lines do not have custom fitting, she shortened the sleeve and back waist lengths for me when she sewed the kebayas up. At my request she also omitted a nontraditional (but desirable to some customers) panel in front to hold plastic snaps (traditionally, kebayas are pinned closed). The traditional fit is skin tight, but I got mine a size large to wear jacket style. I think she will do real custom fitting for her higher-end lines. The kebayas are good quality, with dense machine embroidery and French seams. The quality you get is really a bargain for the price. I plan to wear them with my collection of Indian gauze ombre skirts. Lily Yew speaks perfect English (her sister lives in San Francisco) so there were no communication difficulties at all. She shipped them fairly fast, in sturdy plastic boxes. If anyone wants really good hand crochet at a reasonable price, try the eBay seller china-usa (Robert Lim, based in southern California). They sell high quality, perfect condition, lace collars, blouses, skirts, and household linens. I've bought several items from them and been very pleased. Robert Lim will hunt up sizes and shades for you that he has in stock but which are not currently on auction. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 13:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PHsrn9008074 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:54:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PHsOXp014660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHsJuv063286; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PHsB7B063096 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66100 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2005 17:54:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GA0x+HH3msuG3ztUqmUPhJ9TV3CFXn12F5JQG9bkjEMcW/NEWc31BUyV48DdnmhfZ2sDBqvLJWP532opBfC0fpNHFw7uyu3jtNonnWxpjiuKeGD488dlKgaMw4I8lgs0icUktVi+846mdQs1CLS9d70fJdDW+mOyvDxQxBQukmA= ; Message-ID: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:54:04 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy kebayas and crochet To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <430DFE43.4060603@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love china-usa. I've gotten a couple of things from them and they were very, very good quality and have held up well. Thanks for the info on the kebayas! Chris G. Lavolta Press wrote: www.kebayas.com I just got four kebayas I ordered from them. It is a very small businesses based in Malaysia. The owner, Lily Yew, makes the kebayas herself. All mine are from her lower end, ready-to-wear lines. Even though it was RTW, for which you choose from already designed color and fabric combinations, she sent me fabric swatches to choose from, so I didn't have to depend on monitor colors. If anyone wants really good hand crochet at a reasonable price, try the eBay seller china-usa (Robert Lim, based in southern California). They sell high quality, perfect condition, lace collars, blouses, skirts, and household linens. I've bought several items from them and been very pleased. Robert Lim will hunt up sizes and shades for you that he has in stock but which are not currently on auction. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 13:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PHtMNd008080 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PHsmBd014757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHshbH063569; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PHsZXm063462 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanne.willis@verizon.net) Received: from youro0kwkw9jwc ([71.102.240.201]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ILS004WGHQTH330@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:54:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:54:28 -0700 From: "Jeanne Willis" To: Message-id: <000a01c5a99e$0a66e6d0$c9f06647@youro0kwkw9jwc> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7PHtMNd008080 Status: RO Thank you so much to all who answered my post about the "big three" corset pattern. I never realized that there were so many helpful costumers and informational web sites out there. I'll post pictures when I get it done. Thanks again. Fiona MacGarry aka Jeanne Willis _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 14:12:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PICANH008215 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:12:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PIBZN5016838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIB5YZ075977; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIADnD075299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-221.sonic.net [209.148.114.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIAACF008942 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:10:11 -0700 Message-ID: <430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:10:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy kebayas and crochet References: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree. I just got a hand-crocheted Edwardian style duster for $33. One comment for people who have never bought from china-usa--they give both measurements and sizes for their garments. Stick with the measurements, as what gets labled "Small," "Medium," or "Large" seems pretty random. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Chris wrote: >I love china-usa. I've gotten a couple of things from them and they were very, very good quality and have held up well. > >Thanks for the info on the kebayas! > >Chris G. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 14:13:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PIDnuP008221 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PIDNZi016999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIDC90077530; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIBEsM076048 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i16so562801wra for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:11:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SdDKEYZQXWQ7VBUDfj6HEyGPRNYhwXGWpE+LE2BtxgRszMsrLIRKrZVrVmRThljsALn3t7/c/AaTOoHagGWO0rLi4K7E/2mgI5gZEYyWQYV1Y+MxU4trjkh6hJO4l5s/PsLUXfiaHRHlWomKLzPY3CSThLv0itnH2DqjdcHL6dg= Received: by 10.54.56.47 with SMTP id e47mr1846531wra; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.89.20 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae9050825111117626028@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:11:04 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7PIBEsM076048 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Free yarn X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This came across one of my LiveJournal communities today and I thought I'd share: receive your free ball of Bernat Disco please fill in the form below: http://www.bernat.com/getdown/ You get a free ball of their yarn. I know there are a lot of knitters and crocheters on here not to mention scrapbookers who'd really like this one. Bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 14:51:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PIpco3008581 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:51:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PIohwg020992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PIo557005115; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PInlqB004820 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ILS00FYPKATO3PW@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.32] (Forwarded-For: [24.190.215.220]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:49:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:49:41 -0400 From: jaurbik@optonline.net In-reply-to: <430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Two ccheap? fabric mentions. http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/wool_gabardine.htm $5 a yard wool gabardines, but the colors are ...BRIGHT also, this is a bit of a boast, and I will not be able to give the name of the store (i am going to go back on sat, and i just know where it is) but I found a bunch of 60 inch wide linen in fairly light weights for 3.50 (plus 8 5/8th % sales tax). I think I am going to buy a variity about $400 the store has been saying that they are going out of busines for several years, but tey might actually be finally doing that from the sudden lowering of prices. I cant remember all the colors, but if anyone wants to pay me for shipping, i would be willing to look for thier color. also, there did not seem to be any white, but i could be rememering wrong. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 15:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PJakDn008982 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PJZwEw025687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PJZ3tH040331; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PJYqjW040174 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10530 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2005 20:10:47 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:10:47 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1194.67.188.164.116.1124998490.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Two ccheap? fabric mentions. > > http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/wool_gabardine.htm > $5 a yard wool gabardines, but the colors are ...BRIGHT Remember, though, that wool takes dye very well and all you would have to do is buy some RIT dye and use your washer to create a better or different color!! For example, you could overydye the bright green with a blue to create a lovely dark green. Or add blue dye to a pink wool to create a lovely lavender or purple. > also, this is a bit of a boast, and I will not be able to give the name of > the store (i am going to go back on sat, and i just know where it is) but > I found a bunch of 60 inch wide linen in fairly light weights for 3.50 > (plus 8 5/8th % sales tax). I think I am going to buy a variity about > $400 Is it 100% linen? Sometimes the big chain stores call things "linen" or "linen look" when they might only contain part linen or--no linen at all. Just be sure of what you are buying when you pay that price. You might be able to ask for a burn test there or get a sample and burn it outside yourself. I would just hate for you to buy "linen" and find out that it really is linen/rayon or poly/rayon. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 15:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PJlSgm009098 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PJkqxl027260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PJknOV049428; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PJkc5I049139 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from mycomputer (43.los-angeles-13rh15-16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.52.43]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005082519461211100j84mle>; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:46:13 +0000 From: "Terri" To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:46:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c5a9ad$a8695980$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200508251657.j7PGv3X2019684@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7PJkc5I049139 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 1898-1900 fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My niece just announced her impending marriage and I am in charge of the wedding ensemble. She is interested in modeling it on the John singer Sargent painting of Pauline Astor at the Huntington Library. Can any of you recommend any sites on the net for research? Hair, shoes, both sex fashion, customs etc? Thanks Terri Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 16:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PKTDwA009589 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:29:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PKSPEh034072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PKSLUh083773; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PKSBjP083533 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.a1.65ad37c2 (3948) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:28:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 1898-1900 fashion To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/25/2005 3:47:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, auntiegert@att.net writes: Can any of you recommend any sites on the net for research? Hair, shoes, both sex fashion, customs etc? The painting is beautiful! It's hard to tell what the gown is up to because of that wonderful silk satin stole There are some incredible gowns of this period that are so simple and so beautiful. I remember seeing one in one of those great books [The Evolution [not Revolution] of Fashion maybe?] that was white silk satin Jacquard with a CF seam, side seams and [I assume] a CB one and it is completely smoothly molded to the curving heavily corseted torso and flaring into the trumpet shaped skirt. No wrinkles, no horizontal seams or darts of any kind. Amazing stuff. The silk must be like charmeuse....very slinky...with foundation garments giving it shape. This is a trait of this period many designers seem to miss. It is rigidly corseted and petticoats can be like a science project to get the subtle skirt shape, but over these foundations are layers of light airy slink and drapey fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 17:00:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PL0vtI009925 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:00:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PL0GZ1038083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PL08tA008991; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42103.mail.yahoo.com (web42103.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PL01Se008782 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46184 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2005 20:59:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UstFtuwz5ohHKjLz63VKLcBJvUoFzzob7WrLI3EAj2r+igPGkf3I1jctM1EEpdJFg9+YT0m1j2ia8RQZcLPqNoOMeTgzX7X3ubtbG878KGHnIdkF6z74fuiY06FrRK66GO744vH5I8GZEQemc8UAF8H5jk6FPDcrPFWHk+baIOQ= ; Message-ID: <20050825205955.46182.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:59:55 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1041/Thu Aug 25 14:01:20 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1041/Thu Aug 25 14:01:20 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Silk Lutestring??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey everyone, I was reading a trashy bodice ripper the other day and silk lutestring was referenced as fabric for one of the dresses. I have never heard of it. Can anyone tell me what it is. The time period is circa 1705-1710. Thanks, Jodi --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 18:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PMCVFl010346 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PMBsEO046100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PMBoCx064905; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7PMBkch064853 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-7586); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:11:01 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:10:49 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050825145940.0311f700@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:11:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Lutestring??? In-Reply-To: <20050825205955.46182.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050825205955.46182.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:59 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote: >Hey everyone, >I was reading a trashy bodice ripper the other day and silk >lutestring was referenced as fabric for one of the dresses. I have >never heard of it. Can anyone tell me what it is. The time period is >circa 1705-1710. >Thanks, >Jodi According to the entry (page 283) Textiles in America 1650-1870" by Florence Montgomery, Lutestring (also Lustring) is 'a light, crisp plain silk with a high luster. "A taffeta which had been stretched and, while under tension, smeared with a syrupy gum. This dressing was dried with the aid of a small brazier and gave the material a glossy sheen. Lustrings were mostly plain, striped, changeable, or decorated with chine' patterns, but they could have large patterns similar to those on other silks" (Thornton, Baroque and Rococo Silks, p. 27, pls. 84B, 86A, 91B).' Later in the entry, is the following paragraph, which is closer to the time period you are interested in: "In 1698 Samuel Sewall of Boston ordered 'A piece of flowerd Lutestring qt. between 36 and fourty yards, with Trimming, to make Gowns and petticoats for my daughters' and in 1706 'Eight yards black flowerd Lutestring or Damask. Let the flowers be of Herbs or Leaves; not of Animals, or artificial things.' In 1714 he ordered 'A good strong black Silk Damask, or Lutestring Flowered (no Silk Grass to be in it:) to make two Jackets, and two pair of Breeches' (Letter book, 1:203, 338; 2:37)." Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 18:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PMIihK010409 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PMHq4R046756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PMHi21069275; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PMHdZu069115 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i6so1918wra for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XythEJgMJwzSwnxqOKyWIjZS2oVDbBx9B6RL/uI86nhiP5tXkcfMUm7MAK0OJ7WyXblxkvLEhticVnP3IRCsyM9auzwUk1cNDR08eOgh5/6j82NoAtod3ylwV+Xp6p5iItykulfXx/zZKhVuraMOvAjabfadwCn9T5ypK220yKE= Received: by 10.54.44.30 with SMTP id r30mr2437723wrr; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.89.20 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90508251517c1b1f56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:17:29 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Lutestring??? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050825145940.0311f700@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050825205955.46182.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050825145940.0311f700@pop.surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7PMHdZu069115 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/lu/lutestring186399.html On 8/25/05, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 01:59 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote: > >Hey everyone, > >I was reading a trashy bodice ripper the other day and silk > >lutestring was referenced as fabric for one of the dresses. I have > >never heard of it. Can anyone tell me what it is. The time period is > >circa 1705-1710. > >Thanks, > >Jodi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 19:37:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PNbWR9010814 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PNaoMu055400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PNajOH021424; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PNaVV9021249 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so308186nzd for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bC3r+n5QzvphakLOopew9j4stWlxIMkJVihjoYWgxe6SjNaigk5y2yWPIyuc4IE869sANiHn6oP+AcEQno/dWrSUHnlHEJWIvdOEh3fhlQ3y/qtqeuSHuKjlnOSM+/Iy0gY1iQ2xIr8jT6n3YjVudQg8Yk5DfAvW77W4nOkgjM0= Received: by 10.36.65.13 with SMTP id n13mr167218nza; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:36:26 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] have you read this costume book? Kyoto Fashion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7PNaVV9021249 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Kyoto Costume Museum... Fashion >I consider this book a must have to any costume designer's library (for that is what I do). Eye candy.... I have considered a trip to Japan to study this connection up close and personal. I wonder, have any of you had that experience? Is part of it available to the public? How do they work with students wishing to study the collection? Cheryl, I used to live in Tokyo, yes I've been to Kyoto to see the exhibit and was stunned to find it partly closed. Some of it was open, but not the Western style fashions. My language skills were not up to the challenge of finding out why and my guide/penpal is not a costume fan. We, sadly for me, went elsewhere. My recommendations: * Japanese museums, unlike Western museums, tend to cycle the display much more often and keep fewer things on display at any one time. this is in keeping wtih the Japanese anti-clutter aesthetic, also it gives space to see a single item in it's best light. * as with any top notch museum, call or write for an appointment with the stuff. present credentials. be specific. you know the drill. when you arrive, show up *precisely* on time. * if you dont speak Japanese, take someone who does and who *loves* costume as much as you to to the point where they will take the time to learn the words. vocab morphs amazingly in Japan. ("Macudo" == MacDonalds for example.) * consider some of the other fabric, kimono & brocade exhibits nearby, like the Nishiki district of Kyoto, the Kyoto School of Kimono, the Imperial Palace. Kyoto School of Kimono had on of their big fashionshow and we totally lucked onto it. * find the National Treasure weaver, dyer, etc and visit their workshops. * as you will probably come via Tokyo, the Bunka Gakuin has a terrific exhibit and collection of past catalogs that you can buy. I'm fond of the National museum in Tokyo www.tnm.go.jp * Kyoto Costume Museum does let part of their collection travel for exhibits. If you work for a museum or a school with a museum... dont I just wish. * I've written about most of this before, check the archives. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 19:39:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7PNdE5t010829 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7PNcfBs055713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PNca81022519; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PNcWsU022377 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ILS006LWXNRCLR5@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:01 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen In-reply-to: <1194.67.188.164.116.1124998490.squirrel@www.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <430E5695.6010105@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com> <1194.67.188.164.116.1124998490.squirrel@www.inreach.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>Two ccheap? fabric mentions. >> >> http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/wool_gabardine.htm >>$5 a yard wool gabardines, but the colors are ...BRIGHT >> >> > >Remember, though, that wool takes dye very well and all you would have to >do is buy some RIT dye and use your washer to create a better or different >color!! For example, you could overydye the bright green with a blue to >create a lovely dark green. Or add blue dye to a pink wool to create a >lovely lavender or purple. > > > Good point, I might buy enough for another flemish working women's outfit. I had forgoten about it, but aI do think that gabardine is thin enough to be useable. >>also, this is a bit of a boast, and I will not be able to give the name of >>the store (i am going to go back on sat, and i just know where it is) but >>I found a bunch of 60 inch wide linen in fairly light weights for 3.50 >>(plus 8 5/8th % sales tax). I think I am going to buy a variity about >>$400 >> >> > >Is it 100% linen? Sometimes the big chain stores call things "linen" or >"linen look" when they might only contain part linen or--no linen at all. >Just be sure of what you are buying when you pay that price. You might be >able to ask for a burn test there or get a sample and burn it outside >yourself. I would just hate for you to buy "linen" and find out that it >really is linen/rayon or poly/rayon > It is one of the smal hole in the wall new york city fabric stores on like 38th or 39th or 40th between 7th and 8th, and burn test is already done. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 20:23:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q0NwFr011099 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:23:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q0NNbn060312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q0NL6R044659; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q0NGJ4044545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63031CE1C0 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 06639-06 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from STUCKIS (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 366281CE1BD for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <022501c5a9d4$54b02cc0$c2b6eb40@STUCKIS> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050825175405.66098.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com><430E0988.6060806@lavoltapress.com><1194.67.188.164.116.1124998490.squirrel@www.inreach.com> <430E5695.6010105@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:23:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Schueller" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen > Good point, I might buy enough for another flemish working women's > outfit. I had forgoten about it, but aI do think that gabardine is thin > enough to be useable. > Gabardine is extremely useful. I spent a good deal of Pennsic wearing my merchant-class Elizabethan wool gabardine dress with my linen smock, and was perfectly comfortable--so much so that I forgot my sunscreen one day and wound up with a sunburned cleavage! OW! Got the back of my neck too, which made wearing a snood most uncomfortable. The fabric is quite lightweight, but drapes beautifully, and I frankly adore the dress. I just need to tweak the fit on the shoulder straps a bit, they are definitely too long. And a friend of mine gave me some beautifully colored hand-spun silk thread to use for lacing--beautiful, soft stuff all in shades of blue and green that was PERECT with the dark green gown. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 21:40:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q1eEpQ014269 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:40:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q1dNfp065985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q1dHCV078374; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q1dES5078361 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E8TBY424m-0002VN; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01c5a9de$fb224c50$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Designer Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:39:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Katy. I have asked one of my intern to translate it. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 22:36:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q2a1O5014641 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q2ZW1l070951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2ZVVR001687; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2ZRb7001600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 1E8U3q-0002UX-3Y; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:35:18 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 1E8U5C-0000Ca-00; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:36:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Designer In-Reply-To: <006a01c5a9de$fb224c50$6800a8c0@Penny> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have 3 books on that collection I will scan through and let you know if they say anything else on the designer. Katy On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Thank you Katy. I have asked one of my intern to translate it. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 22:36:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q2ao9t014648 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:36:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q2aROq071142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2aRsQ002033; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2aNgW002009 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA945D426 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825193330.0357b688@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:36:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:23 AM 8/23/2005, you wrote: >Suzi - > >Wooded Hamlet Designs carries very nice Dorset buttons at a very >reasonable price. >http://www.woodedhamlet.com/buttons_clasps/dorset_thread_buttons.html > >Carolann Schmitt Thanks Carolann for sharing that link. I hadn't seen this site before, and have it bookmarked now. While wandering through, I noticed they had "S" shaped needles. http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm Bottom of the page. Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to know more. Thanks in advance, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 22:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q2xlmG014777 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:59:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q2rxki072988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2rtCu009252; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vhost1.itasca.net (IDENT:WQhyaXLv2InYHGbZQvw2K6iOsmr7dhWB@vhost1.itasca.net [12.157.198.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2rqa9009226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ynes@sskip.net) Received: from 208-59-116-5.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.116.5]:29493 helo=[10.0.1.166]) by vhost1.itasca.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.42 and XAMS 0.0.13) id 1E8ULo-00037e-5R for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <430E8443.7000804@sskip.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:53:55 -0400 From: Ynes Garcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons) References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050825193330.0357b688@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825193330.0357b688@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: ccb957305b61d71d09966cc2a883648c X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These needles are used for sewing leather. They're for thicker leather than garment leather. The triangular tip cuts the hole and the curve gives the hand something to press against to make the hole. Think of the 2nd curve of the S as a handle for pushing through the first curve as if it were a c-shaped needle. - Ynes Kimiko Small wrote: > While wandering through, I noticed they had "S" shaped needles. > http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm > Bottom of the page. > > Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or > anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to > know more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:00:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q2xlvg014776 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q2xHd4073539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2xC1Q011292; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q2x8nA011219 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1da.42eacdfb (4184) for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.42eacdfb.303fdf73@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:58:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Lutestring??? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/25/2005 6:13:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: "A taffeta which had been stretched and, while under tension, smeared with a syrupy gum. This dressing was dried with the aid of a small brazier and gave the material a glossy sheen. IOW, stiff shiny silk taffeta. It pinks very well. Very popular in the 1770s for gowns a la Polonaise. There is a picture of a gown in what is thought to be Lutestring in...oh damn....which book is it? Maybe the little paper bound Williamsburg book...the precursor to "What Clothes Reveal". Anyway I remember it as being butter yellow and very plain with the fronts of the open overskirt being scalloped and pinked. Very stiff. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q32q8W014808 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q329Mp073927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q329DW012721; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q326Dw012646 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pcp0011320218pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net[69.250.56.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050826030200015009p8tte>; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:02:00 +0000 Message-ID: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:01:58 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen bias tape?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know if such actually exists/anyone make/sell it? Yes, I know can make it myself, but it's *so* much easier not to have to, and I've got an edge that needs reinforcement... just plain old white, or black will do. -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:19:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q3JUM0014897 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:19:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3JAa1075467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3J8WX019530; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3If1n019351 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E8Ujn3Ywj-0005xZ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c5a9ec$dfa67010$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mystery Designer Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Katy for the offer. The more I work on these designers, the more I realize that this project really needed to be done. This set of designers that I am working are from a 1896 source. I am finding very little information in my designer books and on the web. These designers were the top designers for the royalty of Europe. Such a shame that history seems to have forgotten them. I just worked on index webpages for two design houses, Vogel in the Netherlands, and Manning in Ireland that made fashions for the Queens and their courts of their respective countries. Both fashion houses had been in business for at least 60 years according to my 1896 source. The only Vogel that I found information was the founder of Bon Ton Ton magazine. This one couldn't have been the Vogel that I needed because he would have been designing for the courts at 10 years old. LOL!!! I feel like I am lost in space/cyberland/history with these designers. When I do a Google on them... the only webpages about these designers are mine. My son suggested I have a Quigi (sp) book and talk with the designers! To top that off, I just won an ebay auction with more fashions from these European designers. This book is also from 1896. I will email you privately with a list of the designers that I am working on. If the information is in French, my intern will translate them. One day, I will make it to the community college and take French classes. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:39:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q3dDxb014990 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3cl8v077082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3cj7b027509; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3cgWS027484 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C0752042 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825200534.036acb58@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:38:37 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Civil War fabrics and books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, While waiting for the crimping doohicky, I had to put the French hood on hold, and with my arm and back really cranky lately, my scanning time had to be stopped (can't improve where the scanner sits). So, I had a few Simplicity American Civil War patterns sitting in front of me, and figured I may as well research a bit into that time frame since our Civil War event is coming up... not that I can really work on the costume, but I am needing something to read and research that isn't the French hood (I hate waiting). I also hoped to hit a few suttlers while the event is in town in hopes of something interesting. Our local ACW event is held at Kearney Park west of Fresno, CA every October, and billed as the largest event in the US, which I have no idea if true or not. But it's a big thing for our little city. And I've wanted to make a dress to wear to that event every year I go. So, I figured if I am going to make this simple cotton gown (Simplicity pattern #4551, View A), I should research what fabrics would be appropriate. I'd hate to make a dress and find out the printed cotton I bought is better suited for a quilt or a wall paper, than a dress. And I already have things generally researched and planned out for the undergarments, so that isn't an issue. And I have _Who Wore What_ that I am re-reading already. I have been to www.reproductionfabrics.com and looked at their selection, which seems more about quilts. I have looked at getting a few books: _Dating Fabrics, A Color Guide 1800-1960_, by Eileen Trestain _Textiles for Early Victorian Clothing 1850-1880_, by Susan W. Greene However, I hate getting a book without knowing a decent review on them. And the first book again seems focused on quilts (I don't do quilts). Can anyone here offer reviews of the above two books, or offer suggestions on other books or web sites on dress fabrics of the era? I admit that I get lost when it comes to doing printed fabrics. Solid colors are easier to deal with, but printed cottons seem so much more appropriate for Civil War events, so I figured I should learn to go outside my usual box, and hopefully find something I like that is period. Thanks so much, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:46:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q3kihX015024 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:46:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3kMXq077540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3kLAW030483; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7Q3kIhd030461 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-20587); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:45:33 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:45:32 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050825203310.03121080@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:46:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Lutestring??? In-Reply-To: <1da.42eacdfb.303fdf73@aol.com> References: <1da.42eacdfb.303fdf73@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:58 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/25/2005 6:13:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >joanmj@surewest.net writes: > >"A taffeta which had been stretched >and, while under tension, smeared with a syrupy gum. This dressing >was dried with the aid of a small brazier and gave the material a >glossy sheen. And AlbertCat replies: >IOW, stiff shiny silk taffeta. It pinks very well. Very popular in the 1770s >for gowns a la Polonaise. There is a picture of a gown in what is thought to >be Lutestring in...oh damn....which book is it? Maybe the little paper bound >Williamsburg book...the precursor to "What Clothes Reveal". Anyway I >remember it as being butter yellow and very plain with the fronts of >the open >overskirt being scalloped and pinked. Very stiff. I have the book "Fabric of Society: A Century of People and their Clothes 1770-1870" by Jane Tozer & Sarah Levitt (ISBN O 9508913 0 4, published 1983) that has a picture of fabric with the label "a striped Lutestring gown" on page 44. This book is discussing clothing in the collections of Platt Hall, The Gallery of English Costume, Manchester. It has wonderful color photographs of actual garments, with close-ups of some of the fabrics. I highly recommend it if you can obtain a copy. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 25 23:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7Q3vMEX015122 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3v0Cr078227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3uttE034499; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3upYi034477 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7Q3uwst028483 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:56:58 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.90.62] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.62]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3uh6v014866 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:56:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050825205507.0325fdb8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:56:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War fabrics and books In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825200534.036acb58@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >_Dating Fabrics, A Color Guide 1800-1960_, by Eileen Trestain This book is all images of swatches, sorted by color. Not too bad, and not too expensive either. There isn't much text, mostly images and captions. I have one and I even use it occasionally. I don't quilt. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 07:46:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QBkAkj017519 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QBjR4m028777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QBjMEb006753; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:45:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QBjKTu006715 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95996 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 11:45:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s0GWGS6cyANBuxtSlJax9SlFcxq2rz6yYOw+8OB6xv/ibQbzBHc6kxHt9W2tRRzqlBxwNlBWHHOGoE1lGzGB3ULOMbN9aVFkdLWUGWzvykG+Yhm1lPO8Np3Y5W9fNeEkn7WQnFklxcdB0MIhNEQOaoIw2Ha8/spCOhFK9fx1arE= ; Message-ID: <20050826114514.95994.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:45:14 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War fabrics and books To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825200534.036acb58@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There weren't quilting shops during the Civil War, or any of the rest of the nineteenth century. Quilts were made of clothes fabric. Printed cotton quilts were made of printed cotton clothes fabric. It might have been purposely bought for the quilt project (yes, that did happen), or might have been scraps left over from a clothing project. Use the quilting resources; they give you date, etc. of the fabric. What none of the modern sources do is tell you whether a pattern was thought in good taste, though you can go pretty wild with colors & pattern in the nineteenth century style and still have not been laughed at in the streets. The Simplicity patterns do go together nice & easily, in my experience. Ann in CT --- Kimiko Small wrote: > > So, I had a few Simplicity American Civil War > patterns sitting in front of > me, and figured I may as well research a bit into > that time frame since our > Civil War event is coming up... not that I can > really work on the costume, > but I am needing something to read and research that > isn't the French hood > (I hate waiting). I also hoped to hit a few suttlers > while the event is in > town in hopes of something interesting. Our local > ACW event is held at > Kearney Park west of Fresno, CA every October, and > billed as the largest > event in the US, which I have no idea if true or > not. But it's a big thing > for our little city. And I've wanted to make a dress > to wear to that event > every year I go. > > So, I figured if I am going to make this simple > cotton gown (Simplicity > pattern #4551, View A), I should research what > fabrics would be > appropriate. I'd hate to make a dress and find out > the printed cotton I > bought is better suited for a quilt or a wall paper, > than a dress. And I > already have things generally researched and planned > out for the > undergarments, so that isn't an issue. And I have > _Who Wore What_ that I am > re-reading already. > > I have been to www.reproductionfabrics.com and > looked at their selection, > which seems more about quilts. > I have looked at getting a few books: > _Dating Fabrics, A Color Guide 1800-1960_, by Eileen > Trestain > _Textiles for Early Victorian Clothing 1850-1880_, > by Susan W. Greene > > However, I hate getting a book without knowing a > decent review on them. And > the first book again seems focused on quilts (I > don't do quilts). > > Can anyone here offer reviews of the above two > books, or offer suggestions > on other books or web sites on dress fabrics of the > era? I admit that I get > lost when it comes to doing printed fabrics. Solid > colors are easier to > deal with, but printed cottons seem so much more > appropriate for Civil War > events, so I figured I should learn to go outside my > usual box, and > hopefully find something I like that is period. > > Thanks so much, > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 08:06:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QC6g0G017637 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QC67bI029724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QC66OZ014643; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QC62QQ014575 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so373564nzp for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:05:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tW0p+77dP8YqYRfefskpxym/k4jSzUp+viCL3rMdcy0eE9wLF1+40/Tr+NXkWUVDkyhA9f5L2ViTsNaMafUpZMWQmwYjHqZEacYKc1zpv8Nsl2KgZDJKDRtD5A4CHba7oGGoP2FewcLkFKuOU4z/PyTt6NWKoxMOXSbX2SdF1X4= Received: by 10.36.121.15 with SMTP id t15mr227426nzc; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.9 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:05:56 -0400 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen bias tape?? In-Reply-To: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7QC62QQ014575 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know of linen bias tape, but linen straight grain tape can be found here: http://www.woodedhamlet.com/tapes_braids/dutch_linentape.html -Irmgart On 8/25/05, Cozit / Liz wrote: > Does anyone know if such actually exists/anyone make/sell it? > > Yes, I know can make it myself, but it's *so* much easier not to have > to, and I've got an edge that needs reinforcement... just plain old > white, or black will do. > > -Liz > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 08:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QC78mQ017644 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QC6lui029745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QC6lCp014877; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QC6iUY014856 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m185.in-tch.com [216.166.191.185]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j7QC0UR11609 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <430F0747.1090306@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:12:55 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen bias tape?? References: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen linen *tapes* for sale (Wooded Hamlet, maybe??), but not linen *bias* tapes, sorry. --Sue Cozit / Liz wrote: > Does anyone know if such actually exists/anyone make/sell it? > > Yes, I know can make it myself, but it's *so* much easier not to have > to, and I've got an edge that needs reinforcement... just plain old > white, or black will do. > > -Liz > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 08:53:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QCrDYv018037 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QCpOTc032165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QCpMqT032932; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QCpHPg032838 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 38161 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 12:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 12:51:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826134859.01cd8c70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:51:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A reminder for those who can get BBC2, this evening at 7.30 p.m. (don't forget we are an hour ahead of GMT for "summertime" - don't make me laugh) sees the second "month" of the "Tales from the Green Valley" series. For those who can't get it - I am sorry. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 09:05:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QD5uHd018175 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QD4uQR033023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QD4tqW038552; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QD4q2q038467 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBS8E4GAGQVNQS for (sender ); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7vpymrACmPsHMpU3ydoB6JMzPmWn5H5TCQ== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K3B48KAD; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:03:20 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:59:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen (off-list) Message-ID: <20050826.080236.1572.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,15-17 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:290101056 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > also, this is a bit of a boast, and I will not be able to give the > name of the store (i am going to go back on sat, and i just know > where it is) but I found a bunch of 60 inch wide linen in fairly > light weights for 3.50 (plus 8 5/8th % sales tax). I think I am > going to buy a variity about $400 > > I cant remember all the colors, but if anyone wants to pay me for > shipping, i would be willing to look for thier color. > > > jordana If they've got a navy blue linen, I'd be interested in up to 10 yards. Do you have a PayPal account, or would you want a check sent? (With my work schedule, no one would be at home for a COD delivery.) Leah LLWatts@juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 09:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QDLL7S018307 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QDKDAZ033916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QDKCRt045477; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QDK9Xd045450 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E8e7s0b2J-0006xr; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c5aa40$e5e2c4c0$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20050826134859.01cd8c70@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:20:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, Is this on BBC America? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 09:56:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QDui7J018683 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:56:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QDuCLB036971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QDuCMl063192; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QDthmq062840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim) id 1E8egD-0004LK-HL; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:55:37 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 1E8ehZ-0004Cw-00; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:57:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007801c5a9ec$dfa67010$6800a8c0@Penny> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hermitage collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet, but they have many images of their costumes online and zoom-able! http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/browse.mac/typeIndex?selLang=English&selCateg=suit Not everything that is in the books but most and some that I've never seen before. Lots of inspiration for my new 1910's evening dress.... Katy Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 09:56:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QDuigH018682 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:56:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QDtgfW036902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QDtc35062848; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QDtWuW062672 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2524 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 13:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 13:55:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826145429.01d271d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:55:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" In-Reply-To: <002b01c5aa40$e5e2c4c0$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <430E8626.1080504@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20050826134859.01cd8c70@127.0.0.1> <002b01c5aa40$e5e2c4c0$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:20 26/08/2005, you wrote: >Suzi, > >Is this on BBC America? No, sorry, first showing in Britain. But some ladies seemed to think that they might be able to pick it up on satellite. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 10:19:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QEJkw9018878 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QEJCPs039513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QEJAHF076579; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QEJ67D076433 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050826141900.RDPR12154.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:19:00 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:18:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWqPV4yqzvd7CIHSzS/bGxQ9WoepwAC5CLw In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826134859.01cd8c70@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <20050826141900.RDPR12154.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, go ahead and rub it in :( Anne (who really wants to see this someday) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" A reminder for those who can get BBC2, this evening at 7.30 p.m. (don't forget we are an hour ahead of GMT for "summertime" - don't make me laugh) sees the second "month" of the "Tales from the Green Valley" series. For those who can't get it - I am sorry. Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 10:22:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QEMc2f018898 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:22:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QEM8eg040045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QEM7v1078469; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QEM3Wj078245 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66867 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 14:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 14:21:57 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826152130.01d27800@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:21:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] hermitage collection In-Reply-To: References: <007801c5a9ec$dfa67010$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:57 26/08/2005, you wrote: >Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet, but they have many images >of their costumes online and zoom-able! > >http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/browse.mac/typeIndex?selLang=English&selCateg=suit > >Not everything that is in the books but most and some that I've never >seen before. Lots of inspiration for my new 1910's evening dress.... > >Katy Great site - thanks so much. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 10:24:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QEODfg018906 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QENUG1040232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QENRSR079306; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QENKmm079201 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35214 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2005 14:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2005 14:23:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826152220.01d2c350@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:23:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" In-Reply-To: <20050826141900.RDPR12154.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050826134859.01cd8c70@127.0.0.1> <20050826141900.RDPR12154.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1042/Fri Aug 26 02:00:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:18 26/08/2005, you wrote: >Oh, go ahead and rub it in :( Anne (who really wants to see this someday) I did say sorry! Suzi >A reminder for those who can get BBC2, this evening at 7.30 p.m. >(don't forget we are an hour ahead of GMT for "summertime" - don't >make me laugh) sees the second "month" of the "Tales from the Green >Valley" series. For those who can't get it - I am sorry. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 13:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QHIdwP023731 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:18:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QHHUTX059915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QHGSSS004322; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QHGA6O004079 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7QHG4Ga005139 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:16:06 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.90.62] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.62]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QHG0UY028762 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:16:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050826095811.02646d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:59:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War fabrics and books In-Reply-To: <20050826114514.95994.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050825200534.036acb58@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Quilts were made of clothes fabric. Printed cotton >quilts were made of printed cotton clothes fabric. >It might have been purposely bought for the quilt >project (yes, that did happen), or might have been >scraps left over from a clothing project. Or "recycled" scraps from clothes no longer in any shape to be worn. The contemporary term for recycling is "waste not, want not". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 17:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QLq5KK028750 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QLpPNE094621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QLpKEE000218; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QLp56q099874 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21050 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 21:50:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qA+ogC5sFPkQ3HkIk0XMlVoYCXStVmdOxC+8eSU7wiGSTlPQerXzy6aihBwzWaMjfKD9+7G9jhI0GTOVZhBgCKTpynNwCUs1CG1a8KioIdjnFBriMmitGgp8P8uGKWh8kD7+iRKm+dTGvNrA61YEcWWEH7F25Tjaqu8Ol0PjUM0= ; Message-ID: <20050826215058.21048.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.74.148] by web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:50:58 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508261810.j7QIAgaY043225@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tales X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO rom the Green Valley --- h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. hermitage collection (Katy Bishop) > 2. RE: Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" > (Anne Moeller) > 3. Re: hermitage collection (Suzi Clarke) > 4. RE: Reminder "Tales from the Green Valley" > (Suzi Clarke) > 5. Re: Civil War fabrics and books (Carolyn Kayta > Barrows) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:57:01 -0400 (EDT) > From: Katy Bishop > Subject: [h-cost] hermitage collection > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet, but > they have many images > of their costumes online and zoom-able! > > http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/browse.mac/typeIndex?selLang=English&selCateg=suit > > Not everything that is in the books but most and > some that I've never > seen before. Lots of inspiration for my new 1910's > evening dress.... > > Katy > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net > www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:18:54 -0400 > From: "Anne Moeller" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green > Valley" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: > > <20050826141900.RDPR12154.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Oh, go ahead and rub it in :( Anne (who really > wants to see this someday) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Suzi Clarke > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:51 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green > Valley" > > > A reminder for those who can get BBC2, this evening > at 7.30 p.m. > (don't forget we are an hour ahead of GMT for > "summertime" - don't > make me laugh) sees the second "month" of the "Tales > from the Green > Valley" series. For those who can't get it - I am > sorry. > > Suzi > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - > Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:21:53 +0100 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hermitage collection > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > <6.2.3.4.0.20050826152130.01d27800@127.0.0.1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > At 14:57 26/08/2005, you wrote: > > >Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet, but > they have many images > >of their costumes online and zoom-able! > > > >http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/browse.mac/typeIndex?selLang=English&selCateg=suit > > > >Not everything that is in the books but most and > some that I've never > >seen before. Lots of inspiration for my new 1910's > evening dress.... > > > >Katy > > > Great site - thanks so much. > > Suzi > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:23:23 +0100 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reminder "Tales from the Green > Valley" > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > <6.2.3.4.0.20050826152220.01d2c350@127.0.0.1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > At 15:18 26/08/2005, you wrote: > >Oh, go ahead and rub it in :( Anne (who really > wants to see this someday) > > > I did say sorry! > > Suzi > > > > >A reminder for those who can get BBC2, this evening > at 7.30 p.m. > >(don't forget we are an hour ahead of GMT for > "summertime" - don't > >make me laugh) sees the second "month" of the > "Tales from the Green > >Valley" series. For those who can't get it - I am > sorry. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:59:34 -0700 > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War fabrics and books > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > <4.3.1.2.20050826095811.02646d10@mail.frys.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 17:56:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QLutew028774 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QLuJgk095139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QLuIBJ003528; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QLuE1u003375 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88705 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 21:56:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zXAM8qekquA+Syy13hcZK4nBQ1mjbAFfISvRMo3M/HVq7AoEmk1gubSNg9LzfUOOQnpT503T0li7qIQdiXSuJfD66MFAWQXF5s8PntMzJRRDN0W5ypxKpowLtp3baV500VAJpiS6fLvCmEwYZLvAtJsIDESWeKklGWZiH+k9kps= ; Message-ID: <20050826215601.88703.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.74.148] by web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:56:01 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508261810.j7QIAgaY043225@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OOps, sorry about that last message - hit the wrong key! I showed my FI the website with the write-ups about the series and lamented that I couldn't watch them. Without promting he went online and found this... http://www.choicesdirect.com/templates/product.asp?ProductGuid=671598&CallerID=NKLK9042&cm_ven=Kelkoo%20DVDs&cm_cat=na&cm_pla=na&cm_ite=NKLK9042 About $30.00 US. I imagine they would ship to other countries for a fee. Annette M ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 18:36:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QMaM6X028991 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QMZq2T099228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QMZoxc028312; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QMZkZ2028270 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81489167E2 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050826153119.036231d8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:32:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley In-Reply-To: <20050826215601.88703.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200508261810.j7QIAgaY043225@net.indra.com> <20050826215601.88703.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alas the release date appears to be December 29th! I guess that's better than next year, maybe, sometime in the US. Thanks for sharing. Kimiko At 02:56 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: >OOps, sorry about that last message - hit the wrong >key! > > >I showed my FI the website with the write-ups about >the series and lamented that I couldn't watch them. >Without promting he went online and found this... > >http://www.choicesdirect.com/templates/product.asp?ProductGuid=671598&CallerID=NKLK9042&cm_ven=Kelkoo%20DVDs&cm_cat=na&cm_pla=na&cm_ite=NKLK9042 > >About $30.00 US. I imagine they would ship to other >countries for a fee. > >Annette M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 18:40:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QMeDlU029015 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:40:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QMdbDv099759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QMdaUM030852; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QMdXuA030767 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75421 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 22:39:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fm2A/CO9rfXSoue1MqbRqAO06DPpM0mQIPoFayfx3d7bHDYTz3UW/GAtJyTjrJVNUrMnXmhri/8LwHEJ9fL2aI0Gc1VYTt0oIj4ataqtVrKTDebEy922TmeMghZW94V6ydp+tLoeApox7r+k+hdRt8cfnMR8w1rUv9luAJEds68= ; Message-ID: <20050826223927.75419.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.74.148] by web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:39:27 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508182056.j7IKsc5J051642@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Belatedly, I want to thank everyone that responded to these messages. The future MIL has made her choice and really liked the Florentine -(http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML) - so we are going with that, but with wide sleeves and a hair style like the woman's on the left. Burgundy in a jacquard over a solid dark (navy) blue, and the sleeves lined with a lightweight burgundy color. Adding a chemise is out of the question as she was balking at two layers. Any ideas what would be a good lining fabric - I was thinking of a light weight satin (if there is such a thing). Thanks again, Annette M > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kahlara > Subject: [h-cost] Fitting issues > > My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, > a > belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But > I > don't want to make her look like she is wearing a > tent > either. > > The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does > not > have to be historically accurate, just look the > part. > > I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it > less > so will create a tent-like appearance. > > Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > not snugly. > > This picture from a series of German prints also > gave > me some ideas. The woman on the right, but > simplified. > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > Thanks, > Annette M ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 18:58:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QMwDqK029129 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QMvdoK001793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QMvbtM040875; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7QMvYeQ040802 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-15287); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:57:33 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:57:09 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050826155313.03125d60@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:57:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Lining fabric, was Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) In-Reply-To: <20050826223927.75419.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200508182056.j7IKsc5J051642@net.indra.com> <20050826223927.75419.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lack of a linen undergarment will less comfortable. If she is very insistent on not wearing a chemise, use lightweight linen in the appropriate color to line the gown. Satin is a fairly tight weave and generally does not breathe all that well, whether it is silk or not, so I would not use satin for the lining. Joan Jurancich At 03:39 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: >Belatedly, I want to thank everyone that responded to >these messages. > >The future MIL has made her choice and really liked >the Florentine >-(http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML) - so we >are going with that, but with wide sleeves and a hair >style like the woman's on the left. > >Burgundy in a jacquard over a solid dark (navy) blue, >and the sleeves lined with a lightweight burgundy >color. Adding a chemise is out of the question as she >was balking at two layers. > >Any ideas what would be a good lining fabric - I was >thinking of a light weight satin (if there is such a >thing). > >Thanks again, >Annette M > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Kahlara > > Subject: [h-cost] Fitting issues > > > > My future MIL wants a period dress for the wedding > > too. She is 5'-2" and wears a man's 2x shirt. Due to > > fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted, > > a > > belt, or anything else that will create any pressure > > or tension, especially on her lower back. She also > > detests anything that might accentuate the bust. But > > I > > don't want to make her look like she is wearing a > > tent > > either. > > > > The period is 14th - 15th century. Her dress does > > not > > have to be historically accurate, just look the > > part. > > > > I was thinking a houppelande would do well with most > > of these requirements. I haven't really studied them > > as to fit so I don't know just how fitted they might > > be over the bust and waist. I wonder if making it > > less > > so will create a tent-like appearance. > > > > Or perhaps a basic chemise and tunic type dress with > > side lacing so that it can be gathered in a bit, but > > not snugly. > > > > This picture from a series of German prints also > > gave > > me some ideas. The woman on the right, but > > simplified. > > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > > > Any suggestions or ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Annette M > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 19:57:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7QNv64w029547 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:57:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7QNuY4F007371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QNuVaF069839; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QNuRX2069804 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7QNuNWa017480 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006201c5aa99$c30d15a0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050826215601.88703.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:55:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately, most dvd's from other countries won't play on US machines. :-( kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley > OOps, sorry about that last message - hit the wrong > key! > > I showed my FI the website with the write-ups about > the series and lamented that I couldn't watch them. > Without promting he went online and found this... > > http://www.choicesdirect.com/templates/product.asp?ProductGuid=671598&CallerID=NKLK9042&cm_ven=Kelkoo%20DVDs&cm_cat=na&cm_pla=na&cm_ite=NKLK9042 > > About $30.00 US. I imagine they would ship to other > countries for a fee. > > Annette M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 26 21:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R1XYsF030088 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:33:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R1WnfR017269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R1WjrE013141; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R1WfNu013097 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9233D3B5EF for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <430FC2C9.5060104@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:32:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tales From the Green Valley References: <20050826215601.88703.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c5aa99$c30d15a0$6501a8c0@Duncan> In-Reply-To: <006201c5aa99$c30d15a0$6501a8c0@Duncan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Unfortunately, most dvd's from other countries won't play on US machines. > > >> >> http://www.choicesdirect.com/templates/product.asp?ProductGuid=671598&CallerID=NKLK9042&cm_ven=Kelkoo%20DVDs&cm_cat=na&cm_pla=na&cm_ite=NKLK9042 >> It's not too hard to find DVD players that will play discs from all regions. In other news, the BBC is considering making its programmes available for viewing over the internet... next year. Initially restricted to UK viewers only, but that could change as attitudes about "broadcasting" move into the 21st century. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4187036.stm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 00:21:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R4LrVv031131 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:21:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R4LDu9031522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4LBQH077800; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4L7IS077767 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12590 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:42:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:42:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Query, cloth terms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend is sending off some scholarly material to a publisher, and wants to doublecheck some information. She got it from a published source, but it's a bit out of her area, and she wants to make sure the source hasn't been superceded (or wasn't incorrect in the first place). So -- I'd love to know if anyone has any hesitations about the following passage, which is her own wording based on the published information. The context is 12th c. France: Commercial relations with the Orient expanded rapidly, bringing cendal, a silk similar to our modern taffeta, often red, paile, a brocaded silk from Alexandria, siglaton, a gold brocade for luxury garments, osterin, a purple silk, and samite, a heavily embroidered silk, often with precious metal. Cendal, paile, siglaton, osterin, and samite are all italicized. I believe she is secure about the fabric words themselves; it's the definitions she wants to verify. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 00:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R4eIes031220 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R4dk3d032458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4diYh084161; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4dfV7084091 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.f4.57ca24aa (3948) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:39:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/2005 12:06:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML Do remember that that is a 2nd hand image done in the 1840s and has some Victorian flair to it. See if you can find the original inspiration for that plate. The fabrics might be a little more drapey in the original. And the sleeve poofs can of course be faked...realistically by actually making up the little sleeve bits and lacing them all together over a full very light linen [or something like it] undersleeve all set into the gown's armseye together. Add a bit of fake chemise neckline to the gown's neckline and it will looks great....like she's wearing a chemise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 00:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R4jM4M031256 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:45:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R4j1wA032812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4ixx3086025; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R4iunl085967 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.f6.57825d38 (3948) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:44:44 EDT Subject: Re: Lining fabric, was Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/2005 12:06:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: Lack of a linen undergarment will less comfortable. If she is very insistent on not wearing a chemise, use lightweight linen in the appropriate color to line the gown. Satin is a fairly tight weave and generally does not breathe all that well, whether it is silk or not, so I would not use satin for the lining. All so true. If you were meaning the over-gown...the Jacquard...you needn't line it if it's a real Jacquard. The "wrong" side will look fine. Just do french seams and maybe bind the outer edges with the self fabric. Of course if it needs some body, line it with some light crisp linen. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 01:12:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R5CuvR031398 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R5CUSf034538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R5CQI5095366; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R5CN2U095306 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949BD3B5EF for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:08:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <430FF648.1070204@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:12:40 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] historical clothing pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a sales site, but the pictures are very nicely presented with lots of detail shots: http://www.antiquedress.com/gallerymuseum1new.htm Was just surfing and came across it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 03:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R7wkWq022599 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7R7w89Q046728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R7w4Cx050302; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7R7w1cr050284 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DC718343 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb21.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.431007de.8a67 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:58:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DEB0Ir13T/AIAAAAB,b03836063c2811eef03a660418037bee Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto book X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050827005801.F69EA074@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is great to know - I flung caution to the winds and ordered the book almost on the spot. ( Payday can be dangerous! ;-> ) Joannah --- lisa wrote: I have both versions--ordered the 2 volume set without realizing it was the same book. To me, the colors in the 2 volume set look just as vibrant and beautiful as those in the single volume. The 18th and 19th centuries are in Volume I and the 20th century is in Volume II. There's a very slight difference in page numbers. I haven't gone through page by page to see what the specifics are but the original book has 736 pages. In the new set Volume I is page 1-320 and Volume II is page 321-720. Either way I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who has said that it's a very beautiful book. lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 07:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RBvI25032157 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RBuZwG063356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RBuVLb031932; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RBuS22031911 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56307401B2 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb38.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.431007e8.95d4 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DEFTrZWuK5AIAAAAB,2c9de68b7e8457355908baacee4b85ea Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050827045627.F69ECA89@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Drat and blast! I had a look at the link, and the turquoise blue looked just about perfect for us to use, especially at that price - *but they don't ship international!* Sniffle.... Oh well. I can understand their reasoning. Joannah. --- jaurbik@optonline.net wrote: From: jaurbik@optonline.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:49:41 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen Two ccheap? fabric mentions. http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/wool_gabardine.htm $5 a yard wool gabardines, but the colors are ...BRIGHT also, this is a bit of a boast, and I will not be able to give the name of the store (i am going to go back on sat, and i just know where it is) but I found a bunch of 60 inch wide linen in fairly light weights for 3.50 (plus 8 5/8th % sales tax). I think I am going to buy a variity about $400 the store has been saying that they are going out of busines for several years, but tey might actually be finally doing that from the sudden lowering of prices. I cant remember all the colors, but if anyone wants to pay me for shipping, i would be willing to look for thier color. also, there did not seem to be any white, but i could be rememering wrong. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 08:42:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RCgjCX032390 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RCftmI071024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RCfreU047973; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RCfmo9047923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-220-79-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.79]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7RCfjew018294 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:41:46 +1000 Message-ID: <012e01c5ab04$91b05b00$4fdcf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:40:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Has anyone used Butterick 3713 (Queen Victoria gown)? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I found a copy of this pattern on ebay (it's been discontinued so don't try looking for it on the butterick website) and I was wondering if anybody who has used it has an opinion on the sizing? In patterns I'm usually an 18 (in tops at least, my hips are a size 20 but that's not an issue for this pattern) but this one is only available in the 12-14-16 size range, would it lend itself to being enlarged by a size or maybe it tends to be a bit large anyway? (after all I'll be wearing it over a corset and most historical patterns include too much ease) Or would I be better off paying extra for one in a size 18 (I've found some from sellers in the US but that would involve exchange rates and international postage) Also does anybody have general tips for this dress (like flaws in the instructions etc.)? I've looked at the GBACG pattern review (http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/index.html for those who aren't familiar with it) and the only objection people seem to have is the sleeve. So as this is one of those rare patterns that looks _exactly_ like what I want with almost no modifications (except that I want the more fitted sleeves common in the 1840s and it apparently needs boning in the back but it's not your own creation if you don't do something to the pattern) when I compare this to the amount of modifications I've made to other patterns to get them to look 'right' I thought this would be a good investment (especially as it's about half what I'd pay if I bought it at full retail price) Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 09:18:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RDIIvF032693 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RDHbHw082661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDHZHu059538; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDHTGF059512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-220-79-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.79]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7RDHRn1015698 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:17:28 +1000 Message-ID: <014901c5ab09$8e26f3e0$4fdcf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200508182056.j7IKsc5J051642@net.indra.com><20050826223927.75419.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050826155313.03125d60@pop.surewest.net> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:16:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 03:39 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: > >Belatedly, I want to thank everyone that responded to > >these messages. > > > >The future MIL has made her choice and really liked > >the Florentine > >-(http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML) - so we > >are going with that, but with wide sleeves and a hair > >style like the woman's on the left. May I suggest having a look at some original images here http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html to get a better idea of what it looked like when interpereted by somebody who had seen the actual garment (as opposed to the print which is essentially a copy of a copy) > > > >Burgundy in a jacquard over a solid dark (navy) blue, > >and the sleeves lined with a lightweight burgundy > >color. Adding a chemise is out of the question as she > >was balking at two layers. > > > >Any ideas what would be a good lining fabric - I was > >thinking of a light weight satin (if there is such a > >thing). > > > >Thanks again, > >Annette M Well 'china silk' AKA habotai is a lightweight satin, but it will really insulate, if she won't wear a linen chemise then I would make the lining out of linen (or maybe cotton if linen is too expensive or difficult to find) to allow airflow. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 09:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RDSKod032766 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:28:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RDRpqK083619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDRogw062910; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDRkxo062863 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.59.2e96a03d (4426) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <59.2e96a03d.3041c447@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:27:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical clothing pictures To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/27/2005 1:13:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: http://www.antiquedress.com/gallerymuseum1new.htm Wonderful!!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 09:36:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RDakSo000353 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:36:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RDaBtB084214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDaA14065947; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RDa53L065888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-220-79-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.79]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7RDa2eN016576 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:36:04 +1000 Message-ID: <015001c5ab0c$26c48de0$4fdcf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050827045627.F69ECA89@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:35:11 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen > Drat and blast! I had a look at the link, and the turquoise blue looked just about perfect for us to use, especially at that price - *but they don't ship international!* > > Sniffle.... > > Oh well. I can understand their reasoning. > > Joannah. And at least they now actually tell you, a couple of years ago I looked up their shipping policy and they just failed to mention anything outside the USA. However if you're interested in wool Fabric.com has a 20% all their wool (http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric.aspx) I bought some grey tropical weight wool (in the 50% off clearance section with an extra 20% coupon) for US $3.18/yd yesterday (they used to sell by the metre but it looks like they've dropped that policy) they also have other wools for about $7/yd (and wool blends for about $5/yd) but you've only got a couple of days before the sale ends so you'll need to get in fast. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 10:21:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RELFXe000750 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7REKepp089665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7REKEK0087908; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7REJkYp087612 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ohQiumRFmaB60jxY9LpmRLBYxdHiaWABpVaM49C399QgtrSCetKv55h/424btNSo; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [65.99.185.148] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E91X7-0002PN-Tl for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:19:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: heather.jones@earthlink.net@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:45:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query, cloth terms Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b91019d181a512de73d7e1b07b6de8ea84a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.99.185.148 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:42 PM -0500 8/26/05, Robin Netherton wrote: >A friend is sending off some scholarly material to a publisher, and wants >to doublecheck some information. She got it from a published source, but >it's a bit out of her area, and she wants to make sure the source hasn't >been superceded (or wasn't incorrect in the first place). > >So -- I'd love to know if anyone has any hesitations about the following >passage, which is her own wording based on the published information. The >context is 12th c. France: > > Commercial relations with the Orient expanded rapidly, bringing > cendal, a silk similar to our modern taffeta, often red, paile, a > brocaded silk from Alexandria, siglaton, a gold brocade for luxury > garments, osterin, a purple silk, and samite, a heavily > embroidered silk, often with precious metal. > >Cendal, paile, siglaton, osterin, and samite are all italicized. I believe >she is secure about the fabric words themselves; it's the definitions she >wants to verify. In technical textile contexts, I have generally seen "samite" used _currently_ to describe a type of weave -- the sources I can lay hands on at the moment describe it as a 1:2 weft-faced compound twill. That is, the modern writers are using it as a technical term for this specific weave types. I don't know whether it might have had a different or more general meaning in the 12th century. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 10:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7REZLPt000873 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7REYhBm091727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7REYgOJ096897; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7REYdFr096848 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5476 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2005 14:34:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EWfPmdhmaODnzVXPJO4dL1JwNSUTg3PHlfqXjZhF0zMCwvYI+OIXgsSUjQPUTLttAOamSybPc3rCjDhgc7FVIPgnj43Merjf61rAWbw83WsohNTUND/AOxHfBnQ4ktyCdt/6L4ka1TQs0YXTsrhlgVWX42JnCK0tQrvgTcWwxZQ= ; Message-ID: <20050827143434.5474.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.74.148] by web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:34:33 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508271156.j7RBuWaS031937@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Lining fabric, was Re: Fitting issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, Yes, it is the over dress that will be in a jacquard. The main (under) dress will be linen. The lining is for the sleeves, as she wants something contrasting if she turns up the cuffs - I had to talk her out of elbow length sleeves. Sorry that I wasn't more specific on that detail. "Due to fibromyalgia she will not wear anything very fitted.....Her dress does not have to be historically accurate, just look the part." ...Other than those two specifics, comfort is the biggest issue, and as she probably won't be wearing the dress for more than an hour or two and then never again, (if she actually comes at all) I don't want to put a large amount of time and effort into it. Thank you for all the suggestions. I like the "appearance of a chemise" idea. Some of the links in an earlier reply provided some more original references, and yes, it is more drapey. Thanks again, Annette M >Lack of a linen undergarment will less comfortable. >If she is very >insistent on not wearing a chemise, use lightweight >linen in the >appropriate color to line the gown. Satin is a >fairly tight weave and >generally does not breathe all that well, whether it >is silk or not, >so I would not use satin for the lining. > >Joan Jurancich > > >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen >prices) > >Do remember that that is a 2nd hand image done in >the 1840s and has >some >Victorian flair to it. See if you can find the >original inspiration for >that plate. > >The fabrics might be a little more drapey in the >original. > And the sleeve poofs can of course be >faked...realistically by actually >making up the little sleeve bits and lacing them all >together over a >full very light linen [or something like it] >undersleeve all set into the gown's >armseye together. Add a bit of fake chemise neckline >to the gown's neckline and >it will looks great....like she's wearing a chemise. > >All so true. > >If you were meaning the over-gown...the >Jacquard...you needn't line it >if it's a real Jacquard. The "wrong" side will look >fine. Just do french seams and >maybe bind the outer edges with the self fabric. Of >course if it needs >some body, line it with some light crisp linen. > >---------------------- >original message -(http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML) - so we >are going with that, but with wide sleeves and a hair >style like the woman's on the left. > >Burgundy in a jacquard over a solid dark (navy) blue, >and the sleeves lined with a lightweight burgundy >color. Adding a chemise is out of the question as she >was balking at two layers. > >Any ideas what would be a good lining fabric - I was >thinking of a light weight satin (if there is such a >thing). > >Thanks again, >Annette M ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 12:14:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RGEjKZ001884 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RGDirN003487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RGDbvm045618; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7RGDWTU045561 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92840 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2005 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2005 16:13:26 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050827171036.01d26fa8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:13:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <007801c5a9ec$dfa67010$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th C. style fabrics for sale on Swedish site. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got this address from a Swedish friend. There is an English subtext for those of us who don't read Swedish (!). The fabrics look pretty good to me, but expensive as one would expect. http://www.durantextiles.com/index.asp Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 15:06:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RJ6raa003230 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RJ69MQ016675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RJ65f1021898; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RGHFGU046900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E93Mg-00025d-2z; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: <20050827111706.m5jk0twbzvjks8wk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:17:06 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) References: <200508182056.j7IKsc5J051642@net.indra.com><20050826223927.75419.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050826155313.03125d60@pop.surewest.net> <014901c5ab09$8e26f3e0$4fdcf5dc@e9q5h8> In-Reply-To: <014901c5ab09$8e26f3e0$4fdcf5dc@e9q5h8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Elizabeth Walpole : >> At 03:39 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: >> >Belatedly, I want to thank everyone that responded to >> >these messages. >> > >> >The future MIL has made her choice and really liked >> >the Florentine >> >-(http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML) - so we >> >are going with that, but with wide sleeves and a hair >> >style like the woman's on the left. > > May I suggest having a look at some original images here > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html to > get a better idea of what it looked like when interpereted by somebody who > had seen the actual garment (as opposed to the print which is essentially a > copy of a copy) > I don't believe that the gown on the left is at Festive Attyre, however you can see it in this painting by Carpaccio http://www.wga.hu/art/c/carpacci/1ursula/2/90apothe.jpg The center gown is also here. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 15:25:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RJPUJ9003346 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RJP0V4017885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RJOuhN034081; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RJOrnV034043 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 04D6FA09C8; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.0.68.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.0.68]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E09BFA07C1 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <029f01c5ab3d$3edf1810$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query, cloth terms Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:26:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Some brief technical notes on samite: 6-ply warp; weft-faced satin; compound twill. may be patterned or unpatterned, or used as base for embroidery when patterned, more than one color is usually present in the patterning compound weft-faced twill in silk;­ may have developed in Egypt or Syria and spread from there;­ the inner warp used singly or in pairs or groups of three or four­; main binding warp bound weft in the same twill in both pattern and background­; design was result of color change not texture -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 15:33:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RJXOdY003395 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RJWwkV018384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Fitting Issues (and linen prices) > > In a message dated 8/27/2005 12:06:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kahlara@yahoo.com writes: > > http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/PLATE23AX.HTML > > > Do remember that that is a 2nd hand image done in the 1840s and has some > Victorian flair to it. See if you can find the original inspiration for that > plate. Here's the painting(s) this drawing is copied from: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor12.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor11.html Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 15:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RJgSHb003475 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:42:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RJfWDG019101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RJfVHI041681; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RJfSg3041634 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18286 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:03:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:03:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query, cloth terms In-Reply-To: <029f01c5ab3d$3edf1810$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1043/Sat Aug 27 00:31:52 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7RJfSg3041634 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, E House wrote: > Some brief technical notes on samite: > 6-ply warp; weft-faced satin; compound twill. may be patterned or > unpatterned, or used as base for embroidery > when patterned, more than one color is usually present in the patterning > compound weft-faced twill in silk;­ may have developed in Egypt or Syria and > spread from there;­ the inner warp used singly or in pairs or groups of > three or four­; main binding warp bound weft in the same twill in both > pattern and background­; design was result of color change not texture E, where did that information come from? I have the strong feeling that "samite" in 12th c. literature may not have the same meaning as "samite" today, so it would help to know whether this source is defining the meaning today or in a particular period. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 27 19:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7RNEjCY004687 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:14:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7RNDx25038630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RNDtqL026894; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7RNDpm5026868 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:13:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EA07F1BCA55; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.189.1.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.189.1]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B6B581BCA4B for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:13:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02b801c5ab5d$3c262c10$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query, cloth terms Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:15:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1044/Sat Aug 27 13:44:51 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1044/Sat Aug 27 13:44:51 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't been able to find any major difference between samite today and samite then, beyond a different taste in the patterns. Since samite by definition is a weave rather than a combination of weave, fiber, and weight (unlike say, denim) it hasn't really changed much. It was _generally_ but not exclusively made of silk... there were cheap versions with bast warps, for example. The name itself comes from the Greek word hexamitos which means 6 threads, and which is the basic weaving unit for samite. In other words, that's sort of like asking if 'velvet' means the same now as it did then. Modern velvet manufacture uses different looms and different fibers and different cutting methods, but in the technical sense they are both velvet. The only change I've found happened sometime in the middle ages (I don't have notes on the time range) and is too technical for me: they started arranging the warp threads in pairs, with 2 main warps to each of 3 binding warps. Before that, they arranged 3 main and 3 binding warps in 1/2 or 2/1 order. (The 1.2 weft-faced compound twills in the Crowfoot et al MOL Textiles book pp101-104 are examples of one or the other way of doing it, according to at least one source, but I might be missing something technical there.) The introduction of drawlooms (which might have existed in the 12thC) increased the complexity of the patterns, but didn't change the actual weave--it was still a samite structure. If your friend were to give a brief description of samite, she might try something like this: 'a weft-faced compound twill frequently made of silk, often patterned, sometimes with gold or silver thread, and sometimes used as a base for embroidery.' That is accurate for samite through the ages, although it's probably a longer description than she'd want to insert in that sentence! Sources... I got a real samite bug a couple of years ago, and read everything about it that I could find, so I can't point you to one specific source. While I didn't keep a strict bibliography for those notes, here are a few books/articles that I'm pretty sure were involved: Geijir, Agnes, "The Textile Finds from Birka," in N.B. Harte and K.G. Ponting, eds. Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe. London: Heinemann. 1983. Geijer, Agnes. A History of Textile Art: A Selective Account, corrected edition. (London: Pasold Resaerch Fund in association with Sotheby Parke Bernet, 1982 [1979]. Muthesius, Anna. "Byzantine Influences Along the Silk Route: Central Asian Silks Transformed." Contact, Crossover, Continuity (Textile Society of America) (1994) Muthesius, Anna. Byzantine Silk Weaving AD 400 to AD 1200. Vienna: Verlag Fassbaender, 1997. Muthesius, Anna. "From Seed to Samite: Aspects of Byzantine Silk Production." Textile History 20:2 (1989) Muthesius, Anna. Studies in Byzantine and Islamic Silk Weaving. London: Pindar Press, 1995. John Becker and Donald B. Wagner, Pattern and Loom: A Practical Study of the Development of Weaving Techniques in China, Western Asia and Europe. (Copenhagen: Rhodos International Publishers, 1987) 105 Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, Textile Conservation and Research: A Documentation of the Textile Department on the Occasion of the Twentieth Anniversary of the Abegg Foundation.( Schriften der Abegg-Stiftung, Volume VII. Bern: Abegg-Stiftung, 1988.) David Jenkins, ed. The Cambridge History of Western Textiles. (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2003) There's tons more out there, but that's a start. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 28 12:11:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7SGBTdP023996 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:11:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7SGAikq014531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7SGAe0F062406; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7SGAb56062388 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8A93FB86 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb23.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43111220.bada for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DEeH9cngMIAIAAAAB,f426dcb1f2d0474741d5bf7932af9365 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050828091037.FAAE8834@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the info, Elizabeth. I went and had a look, and while there are some lovely wools ( mmmm, cashmere and wool blend, mmmmm ) there isn't anything that suits ( unintentional pun, sorry;-> ) our needs at the moment, not like that turquoise blue wool would have. Joannah. --- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:35:11 +1000 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap? wool and linen > Drat and blast! I had a look at the link, and the turquoise blue looked just about perfect for us to use, especially at that price - *but they don't ship international!* > > Sniffle.... > > Oh well. I can understand their reasoning. > > Joannah. And at least they now actually tell you, a couple of years ago I looked up their shipping policy and they just failed to mention anything outside the USA. However if you're interested in wool Fabric.com has a 20% all their wool (http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-wool-fabric.aspx) I bought some grey tropical weight wool (in the 50% off clearance section with an extra 20% coupon) for US $3.18/yd yesterday (they used to sell by the metre but it looks like they've dropped that policy) they also have other wools for about $7/yd (and wool blends for about $5/yd) but you've only got a couple of days before the sale ends so you'll need to get in fast. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 28 12:26:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7SGQRCm024100 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7SGPrNk015893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7SGPpSI067900; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7SGPmTs067881 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1933FAC9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb30.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43111224.b2f1 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DEeWLVCnAWQIAAAAB,335e24cd5694e66671a0217955b5828c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:25:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th C. style fabrics for sale on Swedish site. X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.3] Message-Id: <20050828092547.FAAEEE2D@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am *swooning* over the embroidered silks. Sigh.... Joannah --- Suzi Clarke wrote: I got this address from a Swedish friend. There is an English subtext for those of us who don't read Swedish (!). The fabrics look pretty good to me, but expensive as one would expect. http://www.durantextiles.com/index.asp Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 10:49:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TEnMNY002408 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TEmQOp028901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEmIgO099072; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEmEdu098950 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817B63192BC for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4310A108.7020204@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:21:12 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. She would like me to use Sari fabric. Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 10:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TEuHL5002466 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TEtKmd029701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEtGbL004106; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEtDdK003985 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.dd.2c969ba2 (2168) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:55:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 10:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. She would like me to use Sari fabric. Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. "Victorian" of course covers a long period. There were border woven or printed fabrics used in the 1850s-60s; however, wouldn't you need more than one sari to get enough breadths--and not sure if you could find two or more that matched. I'm also thinking that sari silk might be too lightweight to hold the silhouette, unless you made one of the skirts with rows of ruffles, in which case you need more than even 2 saris. Certainly Indian silk per se would not be a stretch--after all, Victoria was Empress of India! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 10:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TExIK3002485 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TEwmvK029994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEwmLf006731; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7TEwh2N006616 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 65596 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 14:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 14:58:37 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829155557.01d23cb8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:58:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: <4310A108.7020204@kabelfoon.nl> References: <4310A108.7020204@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:21 27/08/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. >She would like me to use Sari fabric. >Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. >I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. > >Greetings, > Deredere I know that saris were definitely used in the early 19th century, for what we call Regency dresses. I also know that Kashmir shawls, (and Paisley) were used to make dresses in the mid to later Victorian period, but I don't know whether saris were used. I'm sorry - that's not terribly helpful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 11:24:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TFOMmF002707 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TFNkQ2032794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TFNZom025651; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TFNP4j025396 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.19e.3a925bd9 (4568) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.3a925bd9.30448261@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:23:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 10:55:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: I'm also thinking that sari silk might be too lightweight to hold the silhouette, This is not a real concern. There are Victorian gowns [even bustle ones] made of mull [ fine gauze, basically]. It's the underpinnings that give the shape. In the Kyoto book are some 1830s and 1840s day dresses made of sheer fabrics and an 1850s gown made of a striped blue sheer with tucks decorating the skirt. The very sheerness of the fabric makes the wide tucks stand out. The yardage thing IS a real concern, however. But mixed with a matching [plain] silk, you might be able to work it out...using the sari just for ruffles and trims with the main body and skirt of the gown in the matching silk. After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 14:42:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TIgvw0004707 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TIg9l2057477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TIfn9R086022; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TGPqRV075896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-152.sonic.net [209.148.114.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TGPo1d027391 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <43133711.2000509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:25:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1046/Mon Aug 29 10:34:45 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1045/Sun Aug 28 06:03:55 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO India imports have a long history in Britain (after all, India was a British colony), and even the US. (When I was working on _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, for 1877-1882, I came across a recommendation to buy a popular style of striped summer silk at the "India stores" in a _Harper's Bazar_ column called "New York Fashions." The assumption was that everyone already knew where to find the India stores.) Sheer fabrics, both cottons and silks, have also been summer and evening perennials since the late 18th century at least. As long you have enough fabric--and for some periods and styles it can be combined with another fabric--you're probably OK. Even a rather foreign-looking pattern is OK; I've seen some definitely Indian-looking textile patterns on European, UK, and US dresses in museum catalogs. The influence goes both ways, too. The Indians have long manufactured, on their own or by commission, textiles designed to sell well in foreign markets. And sari textile patterns, even those for Indian use, are by no means static. I once saw an exhibition of saris at the Asian museum in San Francisco. They were arranged in chronological order, and you could see the style changes and European influences very clearly. For example, here were a number of very Art Nouveau saris from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. My favorite in the whole exhibit was an exquisite Art Nouveau sari with a border of Victrolas, the type with the horn. The bases of the Victrolas were lined up with the horns exploding from them like flowers. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2005 10:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. She would like me to use Sari fabric. Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for dresses. I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:07:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TL71jT006142 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TL5xYm074504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TL5mdf000986; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TL5RlQ000761 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7TL5Nx0012213 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:05:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.87.104] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-87-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.87.104]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TL5L0J092748 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050829135642.0336fe78@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:58:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: <19e.3a925bd9.30448261@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:16:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLGATh006239 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:16:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLFAgP075840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLF7hB008435; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLEw2w008317 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1E9qy1-000Cjg-8a for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:14:57 +0000 Message-ID: <$DbJ2$FAq3EDJw5u@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:13:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons) References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050825193330.0357b688@64.87.54.245> <430E8443.7000804@sskip.net> In-Reply-To: <430E8443.7000804@sskip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's the answer to my whinge about C-shaped needles! Jean Ynes Garcia wrote >These needles are used for sewing leather. They're for thicker leather >than garment leather. The triangular tip cuts the hole and the curve >gives the hand something to press against to make the hole. Think of >the 2nd curve of the S as a handle for pushing through the first curve >as if it were a c-shaped needle. > >- Ynes > >Kimiko Small wrote: > >> While wandering through, I noticed they had "S" shaped needles. >> http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm >> Bottom of the page. >> >> Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or >>anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to >>know more. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:30:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLUOUh006332 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:30:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLTo5q077709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLTlAT019931; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLTiGf019805 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1eb.42227fc5 (48576) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:29:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 5:08:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of this very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:38:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLc9jK006577 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:38:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLaCjr078322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLa5Gr024780; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLa0Bc024696 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7TLZux0029587 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:56 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.87.104] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-87-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.87.104]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLZwhx043136 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050829143433.0326a500@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:35:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. > >I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one >kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. > >Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of this >very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. But there's not enough fabric in one kimono to make much of anything but a kimono. So what's the picture in the Kyoto book? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:42:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLgJco006741 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:42:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLflxZ079008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLfjmE029028; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLfde7028928 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27C53E4F4 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:41:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B5441C66D for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:41:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050829135642.0336fe78@mail.frys.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much but 188o they did. De -----Original Message----- >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLjU5J006839 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLieIm079396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLiVt1031050; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7TLhtsL030627 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22248); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:43:06 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:43:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050829144038.03150440@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:43:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> References: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:29 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/29/2005 5:08:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >kayta@frys.com writes: > > >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. > >I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one >kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. > >Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of this >very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. And since kimonos are made of uncut lengths of fabric and are traditionally sewn with large stitches in order to be taken apart for washing, it would be easy to take them apart for other uses. Since the traditional width of the fabric is only 22 or 23 inches, it would take a number of kimonos to get enough fabric for most 19th century dresses. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 17:48:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TLma0l006957 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLlvUP079787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLluTG033701; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLlqG2033591 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so521004wra for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KFz+1hyZZ0dcaRqQBJItP9BbT0/g4a6J/Jr9hr+qKeoJx3x1xOH1vcMiZCVoJdTwsHT5pKQilU9Y3vpjnVL3pSo3lJvZoEa9DaKWYFC8FmL1ha0zpn2CWXot3S71Jk7iXYD0beZ8bfdQnoiQA2SCILuBfoqL0RSMbis0TFBfodc= Received: by 10.54.52.56 with SMTP id z56mr6683976wrz; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05082914473118ef17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:47:46 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] S-shaped needles?? (was Dorset buttons) In-Reply-To: <$DbJ2$FAq3EDJw5u@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050823122329.E3B2733BDF@sm4app00.siteprotect.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050825193330.0357b688@64.87.54.245> <430E8443.7000804@sskip.net> <$DbJ2$FAq3EDJw5u@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7TLlqG2033591 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My thought exactly, Jean. Something to get through that thick buckram whereI want it to go and have some sort of handle to boot! LynnD On 8/29/05, Jean Waddie wrote: > It's the answer to my whinge about C-shaped needles! > > Jean > > Ynes Garcia wrote > >These needles are used for sewing leather. They're for thicker leather > >than garment leather. The triangular tip cuts the hole and the curve > >gives the hand something to press against to make the hole. Think of > >the 2nd curve of the S as a handle for pushing through the first curve > >as if it were a c-shaped needle. > > > >- Ynes > > > >Kimiko Small wrote: > > > >> While wandering through, I noticed they had "S" shaped needles. > >> http://www.woodedhamlet.com/threads_pins_needles/sewing_needles.htm > >> Bottom of the page. > >> > >> Anyone know what they would be best used for, or use them before, or > >>anything? I've never seen this kind of needle before, and wanted to > >>know more. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:00:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TM0Tpt007085 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TLxtiE081580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLxrWu043278; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TLxojC043172 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i14so1075983wra for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ULFkf8Zgvl8UYz47j9pBK/5IfaoBoLlkFLtEDFV36u7H7cIk++1LmpaEUtHBNNqzTz4FFTUnHXtf496H8M7rDAjo++M6AJHva9352gTSRgUCDJY/w3KUbrjoGlax3hwkPalO6YVYTBJ9hTeT2h7WAvFvqy6NkxiXMoAB2z1J8Uk= Received: by 10.54.34.33 with SMTP id h33mr5979029wrh; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.89.20 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90508291459452209cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:59:44 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <4.3.1.2.20050829135642.0336fe78@mail.frys.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7TM0Tpt007085 Status: RO Ah you said it for me. Old court kimonas were HUGE having acres of fabric in them and many layers. Bice On 8/29/05, otsisto wrote: > > Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have > trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much > but 188o they did. > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:04:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TM44Ca007107 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TM3dwq082083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM3cmZ046342; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM3Xoa046275 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EBF5DC31 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050829144656.036e2230@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:52:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20050829135642.0336fe78@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:41 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have >trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much >but 188o they did. > >De The really fancy and expensive kimonos of the Geisha might have enough fabric in them. The sleeves hang to the ground, and is wider than the width of outspread arms. They are even longer on the body than most, with fabric trailing the ground, even tho part of it is tucked under their obi. There are similar kinds used for formal "wedding" kimonos as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:04:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TM47bj007110 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TM3eVZ082090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM3cpi046346; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM3XWU046281 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797CE5DC65 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050829145406.036e2378@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:00:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> References: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:29 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of this >very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. For those who don't have the Fashion book. From the text on page 290: "Western European women wore kimonos as indoor wear, as dressing gowns, and Japanese kimonos were also re-tailored into Western European clothes. Especially popular was the white embroidered Japanese cloth, rinzu, used in the kimonos of samurai-class Japanese women at the end of the Tokugawa (Edo) period. This example is a dress, re-tailored in London from a Japanese kimono. The fabric still bears the marks showing that it was once a kimono." The dress is a bustle dress of the 1870s, but only the bodice and overskirt survive. The fabric is very beautiful. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:07:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TM7PBM007130 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:07:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TM6PSK082410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM6KH3048312; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM6Gj8048266 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E9rlf-0002ZN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:06:15 -0400 Message-ID: <7270964.1125353175869.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:06:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Take a look at Kurosawa's RAN or THRONE OF BLOOD. Yards and yards! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Aug 29, 2005 4:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:10:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TMAAc1007144 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TM97Df082679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TM96ab050416; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52801.mail.yahoo.com (web52801.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7TM94bO050303 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11181 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2005 22:08:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jZcSvLiyzkmc5Y2/XqCJksD9jUk8coC8dDIzl4XopAlb0E0nQTrk+nmWN53qD5Y/Ll+CRb8VazPKFdDMaEnL88lQ2GvJmHjwsREZC36rOKQeJT/JLTwJF5M5Y2FcczgXJmsjzTQJXOpBBpU7wV0JCanUIMZdUDw1xo+1jjiywas= ; Message-ID: <20050829220858.11179.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:08:58 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke To: h-costume@indra.com, TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cinderella question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, all -- I’m posting this on a couple of lists, so please forgive me if you get this more than once. I’ve agreed to costume the local HS’s production of Cinderella, and I wanted to pick your brains about the magical transformation into the ball gown. This is what I’m thinking: A fitted, elegant top w/ a wide, scoopy neck that goes below the waist. Over that she’d wear a (joined, but looking like two) peasanty blouse (w/ a higher neck that would cover the elegant top) and frumpy jumper, which would open as one unit down either the front or back, probably w/ Velcro, maybe w/ snaps. (She’ll have someone helping her pull off the quick change.) Whip off the frumpy jumper and attach a wrap-on skirt to the elegant top, very full but made of a soft, drapey material that wouldn’t weigh too much. Does that sound like a workable plan? Are there other ideas that might work as well or better? Has anyone else dealt with a similar situation, and, if so, what was the best solution? Thanks so much in advance for either advice or affirmation! :) KP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:11:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TMBKLE007160 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TMAtgd082932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMAsW7051850; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7TMAleR051667 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4295 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 22:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@217.44.108.168 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 22:10:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829230645.01d39500@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:10:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20050829135642.0336fe78@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:41 29/08/2005, you wrote: >Depends on which era the Kimono came from and style. Some Kimonos have >trains with long wide sleeves. Modern kimonos usually don't have that much >but 188o they did. > >De > >-----Original Message----- > >After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. > >I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one >kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com I have a full length wedding kimono which I believe dates from the 30's. You could make a bustle bodice from it easily enough. The material for a kimono is roughly 21" wide, and comes beautifully wrapped and sealed. I made a Regency dress for a Japanese customer using this fabric. She brought me several kimonos which are very loosely put together, and said that she had brought them because silk "by the yard" was terribly expensive and hard to come by. (% years ago or so.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TMGXbH007222 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TMFuxP083562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMFnBY055615; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMFj4c055502 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.20d.80a4fe2 (4418) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:15:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.80a4fe2.3044e302@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:15:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:04:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: The dress is a bustle dress of the 1870s, but only the bodice and overskirt survive. The fabric is very beautiful. Do you think that only the bodice and overskirt survive, or were they all that were made of the Japanese fabric? There would certainly be enough fabric in a kimono for that. However, as to an 1850s or '60s gown, which started this discussion--even a voluminous kimono would probably not have enough fabric for that. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:41:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TMfb4Z007441 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:41:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TMelGk086716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMefVN073395; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMebXi073290 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1f6.10eaa08a (48576) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.10eaa08a.3044e8da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:40:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How long do you have to change? 30 seconds can be very long indeed. If both costumes....whatever they are...are all made up as one even if they look like layers of different things, an invisible zipper down the back can get it on and off in seconds. Also if the magical ball gown has tons of fullness and petticoats [attached] and is glittery with lame and beading and sequins, the contrast to the soot covered schemata will be breathtaking. It is easier to take something off than put something on. The glittery ball bodice can be underdressed under the frumpy charwoman outfit which can be snatched off, and a full glittery skirt with attached petticoats can be added...securely with a real skirt hook. Avoid Velcro. It seems like a good idea but it isn't mainly because it's just a strip and it has no way to get it lined up correctly. Snaps are great...and big ones [whopper poppers] can be covered in fabric to disappear. You just cover them [with thin fabric] and make a hole in the male side for the little thing to stick up through and a hole on the female side for it to snap into. Don't forget, you can have time to change a wig and some makeup too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 18:43:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TMhcSC007449 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TMgPYi086850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMgPRh074505; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TMgLKS074410 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.19d.3af8330d (48576) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.3af8330d.3044e945@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:42:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:16:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: However, as to an 1850s or '60s gown, which started this discussion No this discussion started with.... "Victorian". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 19:38:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TNcrwd007889 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:38:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TNcMQn092648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:38:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNcFG5010236; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNc6jx010125 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pdx-ppp271.pop1.net [209.102.127.108]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA28591 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:43:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host pdx-ppp271.pop1.net [209.102.127.108] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <43139C36.2000802@pcez.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:37:26 -0700 From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gore problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I hope I explain this problem well enough since it seems most of the time I have been having confusing everyone here with some of my questions. I've been using the pattern ideas from the book Tailor's Assistant. The dress I've been working on is the late 13th century dress. Since my weight is constantly up and down, more up then down.... I decided to sew a dress that wasn't so fitted. My problem is with the front and back gores. I can get the top point of them to sew into the dress properly. I finally figured out how to do the side ones. Would it help if I split the front and the back of the dress and then add the gores? This seems more correct if I understand what I have been reading from all of you who are more experienced about the width of cloth during the 13th century period. Please help this poor confused still learning seamstress. If you have any questions or confused by my question please ask. And if you wish in private is fine. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 19:55:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TNtIXB008012 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TNsIKc094163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNsHBL018884; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNsEvD018781 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.1eb.422424cf (3858) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.422424cf.3044fa19@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:54:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:41:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Avoid Velcro. It seems like a good idea but it isn't mainly because it's just a strip and it has no way to get it lined up correctly. Also, some people find the noise annoying, and the hook part can easily get caught on your fabric. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 19:57:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7TNvUk0008049 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7TNv7Eq094423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNv5JA020345; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TNv1nL020253 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:57:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.a0.2f97618e (3858) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:56:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:56:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/29/2005 6:42:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: No this discussion started with.... "Victorian". Yeah, you right! And I pointed out in my first message that "Victorian" covers a lot of ground, although I didn't specify the dates of late 1830s-1890s. Seems many folks think crinoline when they think Victorian, but the seamstress in question needs to clarify that with her client first before doing anything else! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 29 20:28:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7U0SBPO008344 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:28:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7U0RM9w098479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U0RKX5037245; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.76.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U0RHKx037147 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005083000270901100lp2d2e>; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:27:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:27:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4310A108.7020204@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7U0RHKx037147 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, My 2¢, as someone who's having sari-buyers hunt down 18th century-appropriate printed cottons in 21st-century India: Just as AnnBWass has noted that "Victorian" covers a lot of ground, "sari cloth" covers a lot of ground, too. A sari is really just a six-meter length of fabric; most are about 45 inches wide. Lots have approximately yard-long "anchal", "pallu", or "pallav" sections that are heavily ornamented and thrown over the shoulder in the popular Nivi-style wrap; but not all saris have fancy pallus. There are saris in many weights of cotton, with many kinds of weaving techniques; there are saris in many grades and types and weaves of silks; there are saris in synthetics; there are saris with traditional prints, saris with modern prints, saris without prints; there are saris with borders and saris without borders, saris with woven accents and saris without, saris with metallic zari embellishment, and saris without. Some of these fabrics are very much like fabrics used by Europeans for gowns in some parts of the Victorian era, and some are utterly not. But lots of them would be *pretty* made up into a bustle-style wedding gown, depending on how much your bride cares about historic accuracy. For some of the types of saris available now in natural fibers, check out http://www.sarisafari.com. A lot of these styles are quite traditional and have been available for hundreds of years, but not all. As Fran of Lavolta press noted, India has a long history -- dating back to the Middle Ages -- of producing fabrics for export. (Here is a fun exhibit of some Indian export fabrics found in Egypt: http://www.lsa.umich.edu/kelsey/galleries/Exhibits/Big_Textile/Big_Textile/R iches_to_Rags.html) HOWEVER, in the colorful history of British involvement with the Indian textile trade, there are times when the export of textiles from India to England, Europe, and/or America was variously restricted, taxed, and sometimes even banned, in efforts to control trade and reduce competition with British manufacturers. By the end of the British occupation of India, the Indian textile industry was so depleted that the spinning wheel itself, in MK Ghandi's hands, became a symbol of independence, as he promoted "cottage industries" to restore India's industrial self-sufficiency. The nation that quite probably developed the spinning wheel had become an importer of cotton textiles, dependent on the factories of England. By the middle of the 19th century -- 1850s and 1860s -- this process was well underway. Nonetheless, as Fran detailed, the English cotton mills often took elements and designs from the Indian prints, so a traditional print sari today might nonetheless be a good, close facsimile of an *English* chintz from mid-19th C. Alas, it's just not a simple question. But I can think of lots of saris that would make gorgeous wedding gowns in that full-skirted style, if the bride cares most about gorgeousness. If she cares most about historical accuracy, she will need to do a little more research! Good luck, and remember to send pictures! Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba > From: Deredere Galbraith > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:21:12 +0200 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses > > Hi, > > Someone wants me to make her a Victorian dress for her wedding. > She would like me to use Sari fabric. > Now I am wondering if they used sari fabric in the Victorian era for > dresses. > I am not sure she really cares but I'd like to know what I am talking about. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 00:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7U4YlTm010301 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:34:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7U4Y1bg018074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U4XuCg054810; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U4XpUn054749 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09816 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:55:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:55:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore problems In-Reply-To: <43139C36.2000802@pcez.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > My problem is with the front and back gores. I can get the top > point of them to sew into the dress properly. I finally figured out > how to do the side ones. I'm going to hazard a guess that you meant to write "I can't get the top point..." since that's where a lot of people hang up. More about that in a minute. If you can get the top in place, it's routine work to then continue down the sides. Sometimes I do this. Alternatively, you can do the sides first, and then settle the top in place. I actually prefer this method. Crucial to making this work is to baste or pin both sides of the gore in place before sewing anything, being careful not to stretch the off-grain edges. I do this by folding the body piece on the center front slash, folding the gore and slipping it into the space that will receive it, smoothing everything out flat (all the raw edges stacked together) and carefully pinning or basting the two sets of edges while they're all neatly centered and piled up. Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were working by hand -- this was never designed to be done by machine. It's much, much simpler by hand. If you do it by machine, you need to do a lot of marking of seam allowances and turning points and so forth. All very exact -- too much like machine quilting for my taste ;-) If I already have the sides in place, and just a couple of inches to settle at the top, I slip the garment over my ironing board face-up and lay the gore area flat, spreading the gore out, with the seam allowances from the side seams turned toward the gore. I fold the seam allowances on the gore point underneath and position it where I want it, and baste in place. Then I blindstitch around the point from the front, then sew the seam from the back to solidify it if necessary, then clip and finish the allowances from the back. If you want your point to be pointy, remember that your seam allowance on the body piece will dwindle to nothing at the very top. Don't try that on silk or linen! It works OK on a fulled wool. However, I'm not convinced that 13th c. people placed much value on a pointy gore point. On the Herjolfsnes garments (OK, they're 14th c.) the inset gores are distinctly rounded or flattened at the top -- this is much easier to do (though only if you're doing it by hand) and allows you to make a workable seam allowance over the entire point, with the body piece clipped in several spots around the "arch" shape of the point instead of just at the very top. On the linen shirt of St. Louis, I believe the gore top is pointy, but the attachment of the point is reinforced by thin strips that bind the long seams of the gores and extend beyond the gore point by an inch or two, crossing at the point. I should note that the handwork on that shirt is unbelievably delicate -- the stitching on the binding is so very small, and the seam allowances trimmed quite close (something that requires a fine linen with a high thread count). But clearly they felt they needed something to keep the point from tearing out at that spot, where the seam allowances would have been vanishingly small. Heather can probably speak more about the sewing methods here; she's the stitch expert ;-) A few more tips: If you are sewing the long seams (down the sides of the gore) by machine, make sure the top and bottom get pulled through at the same rate. If it's basted, there's no trouble. Sew both sides of the gore in the same direction (e.g. from top to bottom) with the stretchier edge on the top (yes, you'll end up sewing one of the seams from the left instead of the right). And don't cut the slash in the main piece quite as high as you think you'll need it; do that when you're setting the top point. > Would it help if I split the front and the back of the dress and > then add the gores? This seems more correct if I understand what I > have been reading from all of you who are more experienced about the > width of cloth during the 13th century period. My understanding is that although the cloth was narrow, the front and back tended to be made from a single width, so there's no seam down center front or back. This seems to be one of the crucial innovations of the 14th century fitting developments -- creation of a seam in center front (for a laced opening) and center back (to shape to the spine). Offhand I can't think of a single pre-14th c. example of a tunic or gown that shows a center front or back seam, though if there is one, I'm sure someone on this list will remember. Bear in mind that period fabric widths were typically sufficient to cover the *period* body with a single panel in front and a single panel in back, plus gores and gussets as needed. However, if you try to use a 22-inch width on a plus-size modern figure, it won't work -- you have to compromise on either a non-period width or a non-period construction. There's more support for having a two-piece gore. That's what shows up at Herjolfsnes and in the St. Louis shirt, among other extant pieces. Theoretically this would give you the chance to put the straight grain of each gore half against the straight grain of the slashes, and the stretchier angled grain in the center against its mate. That would help avoid the problem of slippage along the long seams, which can make the gore sit cockeyed. I don't know if that was done -- I'd have to get out my slides of the St. Louis shirt to see where the grain falls. Frankly, I think what's more important is not to make your gore too fat. If your gore pieces are relatively narrow, the angled edges tend not to be very far off the grain, and stretch doesn't become so much of an issue regardless of where the off-grain edge goes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 02:17:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7U6GvPK014849 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7U6GFsQ023742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U6GDUf095351; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U6GAZg095333 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tqlm58eyUgmC3z+nw0F9S/VKjyl+LJQnxh+YSdVGQeRrczxbHtg6gvFj2x24SZoe; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.97.45] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E9zPl-0007lt-B0 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:16:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: heather.jones@earthlink.net@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:01:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4780ee233803547b910b328599e756df3315bb9cad16a5ce461350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.97.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1047/Mon Aug 29 11:00:08 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:55 PM -0500 8/29/05, Robin Netherton wrote: >On the linen shirt of St. Louis, I believe the gore top is pointy, but the >attachment of the point is reinforced by thin strips that bind the long >seams of the gores and extend beyond the gore point by an inch or two, >crossing at the point. I should note that the handwork on that shirt is >unbelievably delicate -- the stitching on the binding is so very small, >and the seam allowances trimmed quite close (something that requires a >fine linen with a high thread count). But clearly they felt they needed >something to keep the point from tearing out at that spot, where the seam >allowances would have been vanishingly small. Heather can probably speak >more about the sewing methods here; she's the stitch expert ;-) Although Burnham (and everyone who follows her) shows this gore as having a pointed top, this is a misleading simplification. The gore is actually slightly gathered at the top, and so the actual "pattern piece" must have a somewhat flattened top. I don't know that we can conclude that the binding was intended to reinforce the top of the point -- although it may well have had that effect. _All_ the seams on this garment are finished with a tape binding, and the extension of the tapes into an overlapping "X" at the top of the gore, similarly to the same effect at the center front of the neck facing, seems to be designed to cope with the acuteness of the angle (i.e., rather than trying to turn the corner with a continuous tape). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 05:35:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7U9ZYtG028490 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7U9Ykle050536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7U9YgwJ071395; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7U9YdaX071359 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 38311 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2005 09:34:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PLelToSoCh5a8Ft76itR+golU6X8Fw0389O0IS6GeJ68fPwW5MhWRcpQ6020goE5acuD41IAQpnAfdVOAkKY8LskU5SY0ldHS4nb5kzwtHmvSk3Nq5WJPBjRK4xP223gJ8M/NBiUku7kJgU71q21aZxQStl1m6zxle3OaQL43Ro= ; Message-ID: <20050830093433.38309.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.148.70.150] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:34:32 BST Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:34:32 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1048/Tue Aug 30 01:03:53 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1048/Tue Aug 30 01:03:53 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] kyoto isbn? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello I can't find the ISBN details for this Kyoto book that has been discussed. There is one called 'Fashion in Detail' available on Amazon uk for £14 but I want to make sure it is the right edition. Am I right to think there has been another one more recently in two volumes? Sorry to bother you all but this hadn't made it into the searchable archives and I ruthlessly over-pruned my back issues... Many thanks, Katherine ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 11:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UFlVRU015535 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UFkG81076521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UFjxoi054592; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7UFjptK054428 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 19489 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2005 15:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Genie.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@68.93.42.123 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2005 15:45:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050830104402.02642030@mail.justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:45:33 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore problems In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:01 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >Although Burnham (and everyone who follows her) shows this gore as >having a pointed top, this is a misleading simplification. The gore >is actually slightly gathered at the top, and so the actual "pattern >piece" must have a somewhat flattened top. I don't know that we can >conclude that the binding was intended to reinforce the top of the >point -- although it may well have had that effect. _All_ the seams >on this garment are finished with a tape binding, and the extension >of the tapes into an overlapping "X" at the top of the gore, >similarly to the same effect at the center front of the neck facing, >seems to be designed to cope with the acuteness of the angle (i.e., >rather than trying to turn the corner with a continuous tape). Heather and Robin are well educated in this. I have a lot of admiration for both of them. Here's another option for using a sewing machine that works really well for me. It may not be period or accurate, but after a few practices, I can get a very smooth insert. http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/cotehardie.html Good luck Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 12:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UGIGPL016185 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:18:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UGHE2T080019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UGH9Hq079324; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UGGuId079110 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED493B5E2 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43148681.3090903@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:17:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kyoto isbn? References: <20050830093433.38309.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050830093433.38309.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO katherine sanders wrote: > Hello > > I can't find the ISBN details for this Kyoto book that > has been discussed. There is one called 'Fashion in > Detail' available on Amazon uk for £14 but I want to > make sure it is the right edition. Am I right to think > there has been another one more recently in two > volumes? Fashion in Detail is another book entirely. The one we've been discussing has been this one: (warning-- adult content link) FASHION: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century http://budplant.com/product.asp?pn=FASH I would, and have, ordered from Bud Plant without hesitation. Hmmn, amazon.uk has two titles by that name, both from Taschen, with significantly different page counts. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 15:23:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UJNmQt019811 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:23:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UJMS4F001447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UJMMN3024240; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UJMHFE024145 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.244]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DC2182628BE for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002a01c5ad98$2eab2710$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:22:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I just got back from 2 weeks vacation on Madeira, and on my vacation i have read a wonderfull book about a danish poet who lived in early 18th century. His name was Ambrosius Stub. In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes cigarillos, and i just wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) really excist? I always have a problem when i smoke, because my clay pipe breaks during my travellings and they are very fragile. If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could use this in stead? Many greetings Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 15:30:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UJUPFi019892 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:30:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UJTo0o002551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UJTkhG030278; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UJThGP030162 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.97.66a4e016 (4012) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <97.66a4e016.30460d9e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:29:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:24:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes cigarillos, and i just wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) really excist? I always have a problem when i smoke, because my clay pipe breaks during my travellings and they are very fragile. If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could use this in stead? It was my understanding that cigars/cigarillos were developed in the very late 18th or early 19th century, but I haven't seen exact documentation. Just did a Google!, and cigars seem to have first been made in Spain in the early 18th century, and spread from there after the Peninsular Wars (1808-1814). So it seems possible, but not likely, that the woman was smoking them. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 16:14:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UKEpDw020332 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UKDK4j008446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKDHJu064680; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host101.apollohosting.com (host101.apollohosting.com [209.239.35.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKDABB064590 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sg@saragrace.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-35-65-29.phnx.qwest.net [71.35.65.29]) by host101.apollohosting.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7UKD8MP009522 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:13:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4314BDD2.6030606@saragrace.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:13:06 -0700 From: Saragrace User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool Challis weave questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was looking at some, solid colored, imported 100% wool challis which is one of the nicest, lightweight wools I have seen anywhere. It has a very distinctive diagonal "twill" pattern to it. I read here: http://www.ntgi.net/ICCF&D/wool.htm#challis that Challis "originated in Norwich England in 1832." If I hadn't been told it was challis, I would just have called it a diagonal twill weave.....can anyone tell me why I couldn't use this for anything from 1400-1600? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 16:32:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UKWNhp020493 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UKVWPP010687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKVHUN078390; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKV73t078284 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.244]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A7E547FEA4 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:30:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c5ada1$c64bbf40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <97.66a4e016.30460d9e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:31:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Ann, Thanks for this, i could have googled myself, but i hoped that somebody knew about this. Well then i could smoke a cigar then, when i get desperate. Two expensive for me with all those ruined pipes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot > > In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:24:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes cigarillos, and i just > wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) really excist? > I always have a problem when i smoke, because my clay pipe breaks during > my > travellings and they are very fragile. > If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could use this in stead? > > > > It was my understanding that cigars/cigarillos were developed in the very > late 18th or early 19th century, but I haven't seen exact documentation. > > Just did a Google!, and cigars seem to have first been made in Spain in > the > early 18th century, and spread from there after the Peninsular Wars > (1808-1814). So it seems possible, but not likely, that the woman was > smoking them. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 16:34:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UKYNjd020532 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:34:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UKXs1W011100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKXnDi080334; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UKXi0I080234 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.244]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AB325EE05D for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c5ada2$23666ef0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:33:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] beautifull reproduktions of silks and calicoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I just wanted to share this wonderfull site with you. 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Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 18:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UMJ9A2021636 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UMIijL023262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UMIflF059424; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7UMIZT2059306 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 69977 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2005 22:18:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zhQJxH6kRqkXcDygPN9AmdvDP/WnweZmxTh6Hd9oF8Z+ZMW4n/dEAljiPakNPOzLx11Nf0p7+GF4Iz9VbqNjbw7JSV7fqO+RkY5XEq4nMdnhtzSYHB8ZANdQOgnxvmSeZyerXx/pDJ4eDVoawwiqY0c2V8/GgN7bdrGv9qSHtrs= ; Message-ID: <20050830221830.69975.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:18:29 BST Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:18:29 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: kyoto book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the link Dawn - I could find one book with a similar cover on Amazon UK but there were other books on that page that /seem/ to be the same thing with, as you say, different page numbers and covers! Now I'm totally confused. I could work out that two of them (with same number of pages but same publication date) seem to have 720 pages - does that sound right to those who already have the book? Sorry for confusion, katherine ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 18:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UMT3u0021785 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:29:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UMSIQ1024314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UMS3Yw066089; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UMRtuO065973 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24714.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.20]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9594626284D for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002601c5adb2$1602e6c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050830221830.69975.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: kyoto book Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:27:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Katherine. The book disgussed about is the Taschen book wich is Kyotos big thick heavily loaded book with 720 gorgeous photos of closeup detailed costumes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] re: kyoto book > Thanks for the link Dawn - I could find one book with > a similar cover on Amazon UK but there were other > books on that page that /seem/ to be the same thing > with, as you say, different page numbers and covers! > > Now I'm totally confused. I could work out that two of > them (with same number of pages but same publication > date) seem to have 720 pages - does that sound right > to those who already have the book? > > Sorry for confusion, > katherine > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 18:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UMdOlo021959 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7UMd1VL025555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UMcvtV074031; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UMcrem073979 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26676 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:38:52 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: kyoto book Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] re: kyoto book Thread-Index: AcWtsMhWKblf7YUuR5uaaHESBmrDsAAAlXHQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7UMcrem073979 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not absolutely positive but the 720 page beautiful monster is the original(which I have), the two volume set is a reprint with perhaps a few minor changes. A third book, entitled Costume that I spotted at my local Borders bookstore is smaller, has just about everything in the big and 2 volume set and is good for those that don't want the big one, just some highlights. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of katherine sanders Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] re: kyoto book Thanks for the link Dawn - I could find one book with a similar cover on Amazon UK but there were other books on that page that /seem/ to be the same thing with, as you say, different page numbers and covers! Now I'm totally confused. I could work out that two of them (with same number of pages but same publication date) seem to have 720 pages - does that sound right to those who already have the book? Sorry for confusion, katherine ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 20:17:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V0Hrl7023092 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:17:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V0GnPR035712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V0GlFi031411; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V0Gh2f031378 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1EAGHR32xH-0007Tq; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:16:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Storm update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7V0Hrl7023092 Status: RO I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about the Library access. After you read the following I think you will understand why I am taking a few days off. Several of you know that I am from the Mississippi Gulf Coast . I was there for two family unions in July. I am from Biloxi/Ocean Springs area and my husband is from Gulfport. Both of us have very large extended families there. They live from Slidell, Louisiana to Mobile, Alabama. I have five siblings and my Mom, my husband have two siblings living on the Gulf Coast. Several of our family members have lost their homes, jobs, and businesses to the Hurricane. My husband's sister in Colorado Springs, my sister in Tampa, and I have been frantically trying to locate our families. Monday morning was the last we heard from those family members that didn't evacuate. Now they don't have phone are internet access. Even the ones who left on the Coast, their cell phones are not working because their area code is for the Gulf Coast. My husband's brother and sister, their spouses, and six children were in the same home, in North Gulfport. They were at the brother's home. The last time we spoke was Monday at 11:00 AM. Their electricity was out and we were talking by cell 15 mins. before the worse part of the hurricane. They didn't know the hurricane eye was heading for them until we called. The sister's home, (my husband's family home since 1920) was about five blocks from the beach in Gulfport. We don't know if the family home is still there, but from photos on TV, we don't have much hope. The home is near where you are seeing the news film where the Dole banana trailers for semi-trucks, Grand Casino, and downtown Gulfport. My Aunt lived two streets from the beach in the same area of Gulfport and we are sure her home is gone... my aunt did evacuate. We don't know where another eldery aunt My mother evacuated to Hattiesburg, Mississippi to my 4th brother house. We talked with them on the phone giving them updates on the hurricane until 15 minutes before the eye of the hurricane hit. Today my sister got in touch with him. He could only talk for a couple of minutes. They took some damage to their house but can live in it. He is a fireman and went to the city, but had to use a chainsaw to cut down trees on the road to get to the city. He did see some TV footage at the firehouse. My mother doesn't know how bad the Gulf Coast is and that she probably doesn't have a house anymore. Her house was near the Beau Riverage casino and the Lighthouse on the beach in Biloxi... near the apt. complex that 30 people died in. Mom worked for my business and my 3rd brother. The apts. that I mentioned was on a street between Mom's house and my brother's business. We don't think he has a business or home anymore. We heard from brother #3 today. He evacuated to Pensacola. He lived in a condo on the beach in Pass Christian. That area took the eye of the hurricane and it is so bad there that very few reporters can get there. Brother #2 is working off the coast of Africa for the past month. He lives in Gautier, MS. His entire family (children and grandchildren) evacuated to Northern Louisiana. We have not idea how their house faired. My brother is due to come in from Africa Wed. or Thurs. night. We don't even know where he is coming into... we can't get threw to his families' cell phone. Ironically he is the boss over several oil rigs in Africa. My 1st brother primary home and businesses in Mobile, Alabama faired well. We just heard from heard from this brother tonight. He has generators and is bringing one to my 4th brother's home in Hattiesburg. We believe my 1st brother lost his new vacation home on Dauphin Island, Alabama. We haven't heard from my 2nd second and her daughter's family. They rode the storm out in northern Ocean Springs. This sister has MS and we are very worried about her. Because of the MS is can't take the 95 degree coastal weather without a/c. Her husband works on the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. We don't know if he made it inland before the hurricane hit or not. Normally they come in the mouth of the Mississippi River which was hit first by the hurricane. My niece and her husband worked at the Grand Casino in Biloxi, and are now unemployed. The hurricane pushed this casino across the highway. My husband's family in Pearl River and Slidell, Louisiana have lost their homes to the floods. They had evacuated to northern Louisiana. We have heard from them. For our subscribers, you saw my photos in the Library of the huge historic antebellum homes on the beach in Pass Christian. I took those photos in July, ironically again during a tropical storm. I just saw news footage of that area and all those home are gone. Some of those homes had been there since the 1830s. Another irony, this town is named after one of my husband's great-grandfathers who discovered the pass between the islands and the Gulf Coast. His name was Christian Ladnier and was one of the founding families of the area between New Orleans and Mobile. That's why we have so many family members in this area. My husband has so many cousins in this area and we just don't know where they are now. It is so heartbreaking to see an area that we grew up into adulthood so torn apart. We don't know what our family members are going to do for homes or income. All the businesses have been destroyed. We are just some of the thousands who are trying to find our families on the Gulf Coast. If you want to help, send money to the American Red Cross or the Salvation Army. Write in the memo section Hurricane Katrina and the organizations promised to use the monies for that cause. These charities are sending in teams to feed the Coastal residents. Please keep all the Gulf Coastal residents and their families in your prayers. I am sorry if there are spelling or grammar errors in this message. I just don't have the heart to read over what I just wrote. I have cried so much, my head hurts. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 20:33:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V0XWrH023202 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V0Wuf2036886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V0Wscu038574; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7V0Womq038518 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBTK8W8AGJ6BJS for (sender ); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77xHBD8xD42h8RTYDpl2TOm8Xq2z9TSsRw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K3PM8F5T; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:32:01 PDT Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:31:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:31:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Message-Id: <20050830.173201.28133.222840@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2534304277 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Penny, I'm so sorry to hear how hard Katrina has hit your family! Don't worry about us, don't even worry about the Costume Library. Both the Library and H-costume will be here when you need us. Do what you need to do for yourself and your family. I can't speak for anybody else, but your family will be in my thoughts this evening and I will send all the good energy I can down to them from the other end of the Mighty Mississippi. Your friend in Chicago, Karen Seamstrix -- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about the Library access. After you read the following I think you will understand why I am taking a few days off. Several of you know that I am from the Mississippi Gulf Coast . I was there for two family unions in July. I am from Biloxi/Ocean Springs area and my husband is from Gulfport. Both of us have very large extended families there. They live from Slidell, Louisiana to Mobile, Alabama. I have five siblings and my Mom, my husband have two siblings living on the Gulf Coast. Several of our family members have lost their homes, jobs, and businesses to the Hurricane. My husband's sister in Colorado Springs, my sister in Tampa, and I have been frantically trying to locate our families. Monday morning was the last we heard from those family members that didn't evacuate. Now they don't have phone are internet access. Even the ones who left on the Coast, their cell phones are not working because their area code is for the Gulf Coast. My husband's brother and sister, their spouses, and six children were in the same home, in North Gulfport. They were at the brother's home. The last time we spoke was Monday at 11:00 AM. Their electricity was out and we were talking by cell 15 mins. before the worse part of the hurricane. They didn't know the hurricane eye was heading for them until we called. The sister's home, (my husband's family home since 1920) was about five blocks from the beach in Gulfport. We don't know if the family home is still there, but from photos on TV, we don't have much hope. The home is near where you are seeing the news film where the Dole banana trailers for semi-trucks, Grand Casino, and downtown Gulfport. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 20:37:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V0bKVp023227 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:37:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V0an72037255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V0am7b040499; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V0akH9040476 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so1271257rne for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:36:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PybIYXyJ4kDh1KpZhgdUtQl+qtjLXo51vDyeNoUivQr4INgAq7Wn5uDjD3r3CgkdwUz5VWk/pBfUL1qdSC7Vi1lRq1oUftyWm04UVm8+0jHOdEbuM73WFQbA4JKd2n3DjwE3ePm0TT6nyHdYN2nJonlJVb8Qt3Av6qQevJMwfps= Received: by 10.39.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr3083rni; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.56 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc26605083017363d26c104@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:36:45 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update In-Reply-To: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7V0bKVp023227 Status: RO Penny, all my good thoughts go out to you and your family. ::Virtual Hug:: Please, please let me know what I can do to help. Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 21:25:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V1PtHj023633 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V1OvAn041614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V1OtOQ062031; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7V1Opku061946 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90149 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 01:24:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rm2cyhgbyIL4HJk93PpkfnQPrOsid0iRCgOZTX6yJH8H7dLPV+7Op89Y8cIgBaimuU3o8ELkVu9iKrDtGhdZq8HMb254HL/5ol+8ccwHx6gnJA2uM9RW6GrK45SHphyR8m0HDFkAbzB3mSEPujhBYpG1G0mi8FBO5kQjIoZoRcA= ; Message-ID: <20050831012446.90147.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.106.175] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:24:46 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Penny, we are so, so sorry. Please know our prayers and good thoughts are with you and all your family and if there's ANYTHING we can do to help in any way at all, please, please ask. Chris G. and Family Penny Ladnier wrote: I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about the Library access. After you read the following I think you will understand why I am taking a few days off. Several of you know that I am from the Mississippi Gulf Coast . I was there for two family unions in July. I am from Biloxi/Ocean Springs area and my husband is from Gulfport. Both of us have very large extended families there. They live from Slidell, Louisiana to Mobile, Alabama. I have five siblings and my Mom, my husband have two siblings living on the Gulf Coast. Several of our family members have lost their homes, jobs, and businesses to the Hurricane. My husband's sister in Colorado Springs, my sister in Tampa, and I have been frantically trying to locate our families. Monday morning was the last we heard from those family members that didn't evacuate. Now they don't have phone are internet access. Even the ones who left on the Coast, their cell phones are not working because their area code is for the Gulf Coast. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 21:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V1VQVJ023684 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V1V3tu042133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:31:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V1V01N064844; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V1UvPx064795 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [69.92.43.218]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 28906281 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:33:01 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wool Challis weave questions Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:31:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c5adcb$c5789eb0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <4314BDD2.6030606@saragrace.net> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 11, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.43.218 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think part of the definition of challis is also that it's a print on a dark ground. Otherwise, you'd just have a lightweight wool twill. So if it's a solid color, it's not challis and you could use it. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:13 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Wool Challis weave questions I was looking at some, solid colored, imported 100% wool challis which is one of the nicest, lightweight wools I have seen anywhere. It has a very distinctive diagonal "twill" pattern to it. I read here: http://www.ntgi.net/ICCF&D/wool.htm#challis that Challis "originated in Norwich England in 1832." If I hadn't been told it was challis, I would just have called it a diagonal twill weave.....can anyone tell me why I couldn't use this for anything from 1400-1600? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 21:55:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V1tocY023890 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:55:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V1tGog043980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V1tFbm076622; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7V1tCAb076573 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94882 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 01:55:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xva7TiUZrfPTfKUwiDXDoZYgktl6yZkGFa8wDeXCIw5pSChRgeKg4tamN4er37c6B3LFHfUMVJAaEG55IfRNvuxfcC3luC1zLUHDct9j+1tyHZNhss4qR3HQSctvRTaWwemK46MhxcOfyAo6TEtsiRZ+xJY7AE94IkKONch/FSg= ; Message-ID: <20050831015507.94880.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.74.148] by web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:55:06 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508310127.j7V1Owrg062061@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 553 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My heart goes out to you and your family Penny. I hope you hear from all of them soon. I watched an hour of news videos online this afternoon and the devastation is terrible. You provided me with my first news on the Slidell area. One of my best friends lives in Lacombe and I am worried as I had not talked to her recently and they frequently have flooding. I am hoping she was able to evacuate safely and am waiting to hear from her. But I have little hope that their home was spared damage. Annette M --- h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. about smoking in 18th century /ot (Bjarne og > Leif Drews) > 2. Re: about smoking in 18th century /ot > (AnnBWass@aol.com) > 3. Wool Challis weave questions (Saragrace) > 4. Re: about smoking in 18th century /ot (Bjarne > og Leif Drews) > 5. beautifull reproduktions of silks and calicoes > (Bjarne og Leif Drews) > 6. Linen bargain alert (tearoses@aol.com) > 7. re: kyoto book (katherine sanders) > 8. Re: re: kyoto book (Bjarne og Leif Drews) > 9. RE: re: kyoto book (Abel, Cynthia) > 10. Storm update (Penny Ladnier) > 11. Re: Storm update (penhalion@juno.com) > 12. Re: Storm update (Marie Stewart) > 13. Re: Storm update (Chris) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:22:31 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > Subject: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot > To: > Message-ID: > <002a01c5ad98$2eab2710$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Hi. > I just got back from 2 weeks vacation on Madeira, > and on my vacation i have > read a wonderfull book about a danish poet who lived > in early 18th century. > His name was Ambrosius Stub. > In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes > cigarillos, and i just > wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) > really excist? > I always have a problem when i smoke, because my > clay pipe breaks during my > travellings and they are very fragile. > If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could > use this in stead? > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:29:34 EDT > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century > /ot > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <97.66a4e016.30460d9e@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:24:21 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes > cigarillos, and i just > wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) > really excist? > I always have a problem when i smoke, because my > clay pipe breaks during my > travellings and they are very fragile. > If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could > use this in stead? > > > > It was my understanding that cigars/cigarillos were > developed in the very > late 18th or early 19th century, but I haven't seen > exact documentation. > > Just did a Google!, and cigars seem to have first > been made in Spain in the > early 18th century, and spread from there after the > Peninsular Wars > (1808-1814). So it seems possible, but not likely, > that the woman was smoking them. > > Ann Wass > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:13:06 -0700 > From: Saragrace > Subject: [h-cost] Wool Challis weave questions > To: "h-costume@indra.com" > Message-ID: <4314BDD2.6030606@saragrace.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > I was looking at some, solid colored, imported 100% > wool challis which > is one of the nicest, lightweight wools I have seen > anywhere. It has a > very distinctive diagonal "twill" pattern to it. I > read here: > http://www.ntgi.net/ICCF&D/wool.htm#challis that > Challis "originated in > Norwich England in 1832." If I hadn't been told it > was challis, I > would just have called it a diagonal twill > weave.....can anyone tell me > why I couldn't use this for anything from 1400-1600? > > Sg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:31:12 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century > /ot > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <001601c5ada1$c64bbf40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Ann, > Thanks for this, i could have googled myself, but i > hoped that somebody knew > about this. > Well then i could smoke a cigar then, when i get > desperate. > Two expensive for me with all those ruined pipes. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century > /ot > > > > > > In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:24:21 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > > > In the book, there is a lady who in private > smokes cigarillos, and i just > > wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) > really excist? > > I always have a problem when i smoke, because my > clay pipe breaks during > > my > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 22:10:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V2AWgN024033 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V2A2cg046162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2A0WM085368; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V29tYk085328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-216-119-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.119]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7V29qHj012502 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:09:54 +1000 Message-ID: <017a01c5add0$f6645320$d7dbf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1d9.42e77032.3038bc38@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:09:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Martha McCain pattern (cross post) > > In a message dated 8/20/2005 3:19:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: > > http://snipurl.com/h35y http://snipurl.com/h35z > > > These don't look narrow to me. Granted they aren't pagoda sleeves....they're > NARROWER.... but I'd not say they are fitted at all. And the other examples > are all split at the bottom to give that bell shape with the engagent or > poofed to have a full silhouette...the effect of the blue dress with the two > upper arm poofs. The trend is definitely to have fullness on the arm. > > And the skirts are flat pleated. > I was looking at the GBACG pattern review site (http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/simplicity.htm) and reading this note "One of the ladies who creates many of the costume patterns for Simplicity was a presenter at Costume Con in Utah ... Another interesting fact she mentioned was that no design can take over 3 sheets of tissue. If it does she either has to abandon the design or take one or two additional "views" of a single pattern out." It occurred to me that this would explain why the skirts are rectangular instead of gored, pattern pieces for a gored skirt would take up large amounts of tissue paper (and almost certainly put you over the 3 sheets limit) whereas a cartridge pleated skirt only needs directions to cut out rectangles of X length and the full width of the fabric. I know their Elizabethan costume (8881 the Shakespeare in Love dress) compromises using only a few triangular gores (pattern pieces) with instructions to add rectangular pieces, but apparently they couldn't do that for this pattern. For a novice sewer it's much easier to tell them to cut their yardage into 5 pieces of X length and the full width of the fabric than to try to give them instructions on how to create a gored skirt. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 22:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V2B7NW024039 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:11:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V2Ajck046222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2Ajj5085775; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2Ag1M085751 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C7253EA for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050830190701.0365a9e8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:09:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update In-Reply-To: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> References: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:16 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library >at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and >have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about >the Library access. After you read the following I think you will >understand why I am taking a few days off. Penny, you know from me that family comes first. Your family needs matters more than anything we want to do. You have the prayers of my family and me, and any help you need; just ask. Take care, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 22:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V2KbwF024131 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V2JxI0047078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2JwxX089435; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2JsjX089367 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:19:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:19:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1eb.42227fc5.3044d83e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:19:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2005 02:19:46.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[7514C500:01C5ADD2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. > > I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one > kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. > > Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of > this > very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. And anyway, there's about just enough fabric on a roll of kimono fabric to make one kimono, so it doesn't make a big difference (except having to deal with seams). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 22:27:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V2RQI1024252 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V2QsJj047550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2Qpns092394; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2QlX2092327 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:26:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:26:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050830221830.69975.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: kyoto book Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2005 02:26:42.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE52B30:01C5ADD3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Now I'm totally confused. I could work out that two of > them (with same number of pages but same publication > date) seem to have 720 pages - does that sound right > to those who already have the book? Probably one is the original, and the other one is the reprint (in two volumes). And also... there has been mistakes before with Amazon - they might have listed the exact same book twice by accident. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 22:29:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V2T6lh024290 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V2Sjmd047756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2SjeK093184; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from agamemnon.concentric.com (agamemnon.concentric.com [207.155.252.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V2Sfxa093155 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-3.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.3]) by agamemnon.concentric.com id WAA19604; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:28:26 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200508310228.WAA19604@agamemnon.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:28:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200508310127.j7V1Owrg062061@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcWty3Q8ssL7h7NaT7CUw4R1tF2LWgAB5WVw X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] beautifull reproduktions of silks and calicoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OMIGOSH! 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She is a member of the gustavian society. http://www.durantextiles.com/ Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 23:13:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V3DAwb024775 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V3CpQD051637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3Coom013757; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3Clpf013716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EAJ1Q-0006ku-5q; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20050830221219.brbbvmkzyvms8wgg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:19 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Penny Ladnier Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update References: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> In-Reply-To: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hugs and prayers. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 23:19:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V3JsYk024834 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V3J1Ia051992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3J1o1016511; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3Ix5Q016473 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so51941nzd for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UjYrascRmm2cO+hLHM8ebOcUHvqH9eaakO0WocgU0Qjz+uRbVsmK40eUKra0++Y7LbfumHKf1wGxQFBUhciYEToOJ5K5rvSniKJoMVcCbwsnfKAMDBKsYipD+D5U/2Lz732GIRkVsnyjGswl3jzsFf6jAHXx405m7AubzSFbGLE= Received: by 10.36.250.44 with SMTP id x44mr430581nzh; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:54 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7V3Ix5Q016473 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Ah you said it for me. Old court kimonas were HUGE having acres of fabric in them and many layers. The term for that garment, worn by Empress & court is juni hito-e, not kimono. There are 12 layers (hence ju-ni) and the layers rarely matched. Matter if fact, it was a point of art to have the layers harmonious with the season, with the holiday and/or event. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 30 23:25:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V3PABK024877 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V3Oglk052358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3OfNV018741; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V3OZMn018677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-216-119-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.119]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7V3OXP3008705 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:24:34 +1000 Message-ID: <01af01c5addb$6512c860$d7dbf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] Storm update I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about the Library access. After you read the following I think you will understand why I am taking a few days off. Penny, I'm so sorry to hear about your family, but on the topic of the Costume Library if you've made this promise in several different quarters (aside from this list) perhaps a note on the website itself to the effect that you have to take time out due to large numbers of your families being affected by the hurricane may help stop the emails on the topic. I'm going to take this opportunity to pass on a suggestion that was made on another list, donating to the red cross or other organisations participating in the disaster relief is a good idea in the short term but don't forget about the long term rebuilding of lives as well. Once the essentials are taken care of and things like rebuilding houses has been completed (or is at least well underway) we can help those who share our hobby to get back to their normal life, a lot of our fellow costumers will have lost fabric stashes built up over years, their wardrobe of costumes, patterns, books, sewing machines and all those useful little things you gradually accumulate over the years. Too often people forget about a disaster once it moves off the front pages but perhaps we could think long term. Go through your fabric stash (I'm sure most people on this list have worked out they have more than they are ever likely to use even if they stopped collecting today) Go through your library and work out if you have 2 copies of a useful book, make a copy of your best patterns, Then find a group in the affected area that shares your interests (presumably there are several list members in the area you can ask them once they're back online) and ask them if they would be interested in taking your books/patterns/fabric etc. to share among members of their group. (original credit for the germ of this idea must go to Stephen du Toit on the Renaissance Tailor yahoogroup) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 00:13:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V4D8G6025302 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V4CcXX057968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V4Cahl039413; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from host101.apollohosting.com (host101.apollohosting.com [209.239.35.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V4CXU3039386 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-35-65-29.phnx.qwest.net [71.35.65.29]) by host101.apollohosting.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7V4CWMP003069 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:12:32 -0400 Message-ID: <43152E2E.1040102@msn.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:12:30 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Challis weave questions References: <000201c5adcb$c5789eb0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> In-Reply-To: <000201c5adcb$c5789eb0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah! Thanks Kim. Sg kim baird wrote: >I think part of the definition of challis is also that it's a print on a >dark ground. Otherwise, you'd just have a lightweight wool twill. > >So if it's a solid color, it's not challis and you could use it. > >Kim > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 00:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V4hZAr025549 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:43:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V4hAPX061670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V4h7hA052191; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:43:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V4h1m1052132 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc66v.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.24.223] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EAKRA-00010Y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:43:00 -0400 Message-ID: <43153534.3010304@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:42:28 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] beautifull reproduktions of silks and calicoes References: <200508310228.WAA19604@agamemnon.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <200508310228.WAA19604@agamemnon.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's an easy-to-use currency converter. There are many others out there. http://www.xe.com/ucc/ --Charlene Julie Tamura wrote: > OMIGOSH! These are gorgeous...and the embroidered silk is to die for. > Can someone more knowledgeable about European currency give me an idea of > what it would cost per meter (I can handle meter, just not the Euro or ca or > SEK. > > All prices in SEK and includes VAT. 1? = ca. 9:30 SEK > > Thanks > Julie > -----Original Message----- > > > > Hi, > I just wanted to share this wonderfull site with you. Prices are shameless > expensive, and i will never have that much money to spend on a costume. > Duran also makes beautifull theater costumes. Dont miss to browse her > picture gallery of wonderfull 18th century hairstyles, hats and > costumes........... > She is a member of the gustavian society. > http://www.durantextiles.com/ > > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Jock: A strapping young fellow who instinctively knows that his knack for teamwork and disdain for academics will someday catapult him into the corporate boardroom. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 04:27:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V8RkGc032486 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V8RAAp079205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V8R6rs041171; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V8R2e0041141 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1EANvw3vdv-0006Hm; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c5ae05$c4d09280$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003701c5adc1$4343fe30$6800a8c0@Penny> <01af01c5addb$6512c860$d7dbf5dc@e9q5h8> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:27:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7V8RkGc032486 Status: RO A long message but it helps me to take my mind off my worries... Many thanks to everyone of you for your thoughts and prayers. We really need all that we can get. Elizabeth, you made a really good suggestion about sharing the extra costume stashes. Please tell Stephen I really like his idea. My fifth son is going to the University of Mississippi (USM) at Hattiesburg, Mississippi next year. He wants to minor in acting. He started working in a Halloween costume shop last week to earn money to go to this college for the Fall 2006. USM has a really nice new performing arts building. We heard tonight on all the cable news networks that USM took a very hard hit from the hurricane. They also have a home economics education degree, and probably they would like extra stash too. We don't know the extent of the damage at USM. Several high schools on the Gulf Coast probably lost their wardrobes in the drama departments. Drama has really taken off on the Mississippi Gulf Coast because the casinos were bringing in the touring Broadway shows. The casinos promised that they are rebuilding. The Grand Casino was the first to go on TV and say that they were rebuilding in their casinos in Biloxi, Gulfport, and New Orleans. To bring this into a costuming topic... I have seen over the past 10 years some really nice paying costuming jobs at the Coast casinos advertised. A reporter on the news tonight asked why would anyone want to live in a place that gets so many hurricanes. <<> Maybe he should go to NOAA's website and see what state's receive the most hurricanes! Then move everyone out of Florida and North/South Carolina too! They have a lot of hurricanes! Albert Cat, get to packing... I am moving you! I will show you all why the Gulf Coast is a great place to live.... I am just doing this for h-costume members. Below are the passwords to my online Library. If you have trouble with the passwords, please don't write me. I have to go back to worrying after this message. The passwords' security is very picky. Hopefully things around here will improve by Friday or Saturday and I will have the passwords changed for the month and that will end the free access. You can login to the Library at www.costumegallery.com/research.htm or www.costumelibrary.com . Just click on Subscriber Login button. Library's passwords Login: cg2003 Password: lilyoct5 Make sure to use as lower case letters, no space before, in-between, or behind the login characters. I got my love for costumes as a child going to the Biloxi Beach and watching the Mardi Gras (MG) parades. As a teenager, I started going to New Orleans to see and photograph the costumes in their MG parades. When you see on the news the Casinos... across the street was a Mardi Gras Costume and History Museum. It was across the street from the Beau Rivage and the Hard Rock Casino (the one with the big red guitar). On the news footage, where the museum was now looks vacant. In 1999, we did a videotaping of the museum costume collection to put on my website. Besides the MG court costumes, the museum had a nice section for kids to put on MG court costumes. I don't think they were the kids' costumes that were actually used at MG court. On our free access site of The Gallery, www.onlinecostumeball.com you will see some of my kids in those costumes. I think they are in the 1999 online Ball. I am afraid the Biloxi museum lost all their costumes. I also did the videotaping at the Mardi Gras History Museum in Mobile. Now, we just need to purchase the software to put the videos online. Susan, my asst. lives in Mobile On one of my trips home to the Coast, Susan and I went to the Mardi Gras Museum in New Orleans' (N.O.) French Quarter for a photoshoot of their costume collection. We have been for years wanting to do a history of MG costumes together. Last MG/carnival season, I put the photos from the New Orleans' shoot online... now you need the Library passwords. These photos are located at http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/MardiGras/NO/2003/ . Take a good long look at the costumes... if the French Quarter in N.O. gets any more water in the next few days, these costumes may be under water. This museum is located in the French Quarter near Bourbon Street. BTW, make sure to click on the small images for the enlargements of the costumes. During my visit to the Coast in last month, Susan and I had planned to go back to N.O. and Mobile for more photoshoots of the MG costumes. Because a tropical storm, and another hurricane was coming in behind it on our planned days to do the photoshoots, we didn't go. Instead my sister and I went to Pass Christian and did a photoshoot of the Antebellum homes on the beach. I jumped out of the van and took the photos between the tropical storm's feeder bands. Some of these home photos are in our Library at: http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/homes/PassChristian/page1.htm . HINT: If using the browser IE to look at the extra-large photo, place your cursor on the lower right of the image page. you will see a little box with arrows. Click on it for a nice extra-large photo. I have about four or five more photo packs of these homes to put online. Most of these houses date from the Victorian era. The hurricane news shows haven't been talking much about the town of Pass Christian because it was so heavily destroyed by this week's hurricane. The press is saying that most of these homes are no longer exist. The press has not been allowed into this area of the Coast because there will probably be a high body count from this coastal town. This area of the Coast took the direct hit of the hurricane's eye wall of the Monday. Some of these homes also took a direct hit from Hurricane Camille in 1969 and survived. You might see a newer home here or there on my website. Those homes replaced the empty lots from where the homes stood and Camille ate. We took a photo of almost every home on the Pass Christian scenic drive... I think it was seven or eight rolls of film. By the time we got to the business district of Pass Christian, the street's tropical storms water was up to my knees. (I am a die-hard reporter!) These are probably the last photographs taken as a collection of these historic homes. Once the town clears out the debris a little, I am going to burn CD copies of the photos and send them their historical society. The home owners might like current photos of their homes for insurance purposes. BTW, Pass Christian hosted one of my favorite MG parades... very family friendly. My sister who has M.S. went on this shoot with me. We had the best time, we have had in years. We teased one another that this house or that was mine or hers and that the other one couldn't come visit us. Then we named family members who would be our servants. During this same visit to the Coast, my future daughter-in-law and I did a photoshoot of the statues at the Old Biloxi Cemetery... it was in my mom's backyard. She is a professional photographer. I have been taking these types statue photos for years. I have about 20 packs of the statue photos to get online. All these photoshoots over the years are for our series "Costume Heaven." You can see the beginning of that series at: http://www.costumegallery.com/cemetery/ladies1.htm . This is the first page called "Ladies of the Lawn." Again, click on the small statue photo for an enlargement. You are probably wondering why I put photos of old homes and cemetery art on a costume website. It seems to be a common interest among some costumers. We like old houses and fancy art on graves. Off to sleep for the first time since Saturday! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 05:01:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7V91i8n009266 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:01:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7V91KA3081550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V91J5Q054331; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7V91CxL054242 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j7V916D20494.; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:01:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:01:06 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:00:54 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] beautifull reproduktions of silks and calicoes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7V91i8n009266 Status: RO Julie, "Ca" just means "about" (abbreviation of the Latin "circa"). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> jtknits@jtknits.cts.com 31/08/2005 03:28 >>> OMIGOSH! These are gorgeous...and the embroidered silk is to die for. Can someone more knowledgeable about European currency give me an idea of what it would cost per meter (I can handle meter, just not the Euro or ca or SEK. All prices in SEK and includes VAT. 1? = ca. 9:30 SEK Thanks Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 08:52:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VCqpsr029065 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VCqDvX013520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VCq9FJ045941; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7VCpkOW045756 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66051 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 12:51:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GdEcj4/NrOhwDrSy0Smz7rz4SENPSV8nJUWywIO2L/3bS4F3AtDlJE/YKJJNVNY7BDacLIzhb5A/SqD8tWz0thIe1etKQZl0KRv5Y3DSGSLwMuOX6fzq/bsW8v2VAa/2jgSaSMc6504PTQUKu4AYKQiFM/3nkxD+RZNSNCiGN4k= ; Message-ID: <20050831125141.66049.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:51:41 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508310127.j7V1Owrg062061@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:storm prayers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Penny, My prayers are to you and all of your family. Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 11:27:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VFRDSo031106 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:27:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VFQMJD029687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VFQEtJ044219; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VEwmdk023201 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB6340685 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb18.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.431475a0.75ce for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDFcWmVa9ZnwIAAAAB,b3c11e7e52d7fff6859394eada5061ca Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storm update X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.131] Message-Id: <20050831075846.7EB8994@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Penny, As with everyone else on this list, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Having spent my entire life (all 70 years of it) in Florida, I do know what you are going through. I was worried about my family in Miami until I finally heard from them and they only got Katrina as a baby hurricane. I also have distant cousins (lots of them) in Mississippi, but they are in the upper part of the state and didn't get the horrible devastation the Gulf area did. I do mean this - if there is ANYTHING I can do for you or your family please let me know off list. This is not a time to be mouthing platitudes - this is a time for friends to rally around, and I consider you a friend even though I have never met you in person. Again, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:16:41 -0400 To: "h-costume" Subject: [h-cost] Storm update I had promised last week that we would have a free access to our Library at the beginning of this week. I am taking some days off this week and have to cancel the free access. A lot of people have written asking about the Library access. After you read the following I think you will understand why I am taking a few days off. Several of you know that I am from the Mississippi Gulf Coast . I was there for two family unions in July. I am from Biloxi/Ocean Springs area and my husband is from Gulfport. Both of us have very large extended families there. They live from Slidell, Louisiana to Mobile, Alabama. I have five siblings and my Mom, my husband have two siblings living on the Gulf Coast. Several of our family members have lost their homes, jobs, and businesses to the Hurricane. My husband's sister in Colorado Springs, my sister in Tampa, and I have been frantically trying to locate our families. Monday morning was the last we heard from those family members that didn't evacuate. Now they don't have phone are internet access. Even the ones who left on the Coast, their cell phones are not working because their area code is for the Gulf Coast. My husband's brother and sister, their spouses, and six children were in the same home, in North Gulfport. They were at the brother's home. The last time we spoke was Monday at 11:00 AM. Their electricity was out and we were talking by cell 15 mins. before the worse part of the hurricane. They didn't know the hurricane eye was heading for them until we called. The sister's home, (my husband's family home since 1920) was about five blocks from the beach in Gulfport. We don't know if the family home is still there, but from photos on TV, we don't have much hope. The home is near where you are seeing the news film where the Dole banana trailers for semi-trucks, Grand Casino, and downtown Gulfport. My Aunt lived two streets from the beach in the same area of Gulfport and we are sure her home is gone... my aunt did evacuate. We don't know where another eldery aunt My mother evacuated to Hattiesburg, Mississippi to my 4th brother house. We talked with them on the phone giving them updates on the hurricane until 15 minutes before the eye of the hurricane hit. Today my sister got in touch with him. He could only talk for a couple of minutes. They took some damage to their house but can live in it. He is a fireman and went to the city, but had to use a chainsaw to cut down trees on the road to get to the city. He did see some TV footage at the firehouse. My mother doesn't know how bad the Gulf Coast is and that she probably doesn't have a house anymore. Her house was near the Beau Riverage casino and the Lighthouse on the beach in Biloxi... near the apt. complex that 30 people died in. Mom worked for my business and my 3rd brother. The apts. that I mentioned was on a street between Mom's house and my brother's business. We don't think he has a business or home anymore. We heard from brother #3 today. He evacuated to Pensacola. He lived in a condo on the beach in Pass Christian. That area took the eye of the hurricane and it is so bad there that very few reporters can get there. Brother #2 is working off the coast of Africa for the past month. He lives in Gautier, MS. His entire family (children and grandchildren) evacuated to Northern Louisiana. We have not idea how their house faired. My brother is due to come in from Africa Wed. or Thurs. night. We don't even know where he is coming into... we can't get threw to his families' cell phone. Ironically he is the boss over several oil rigs in Africa. My 1st brother primary home and businesses in Mobile, Alabama faired well. We just heard from heard from this brother tonight. He has generators and is bringing one to my 4th brother's home in Hattiesburg. We believe my 1st brother lost his new vacation home on Dauphin Island, Alabama. We haven't heard from my 2nd second and her daughter's family. They rode the storm out in northern Ocean Springs. This sister has MS and we are very worried about her. Because of the MS is can't take the 95 degree coastal weather without a/c. Her husband works on the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. We don't know if he made it inland before the hurricane hit or not. Normally they come in the mouth of the Mississippi River which was hit first by the hurricane. My niece and her husband worked at the Grand Casino in Biloxi, and are now unemployed. The hurricane pushed this casino across the highway. My husband's family in Pearl River and Slidell, Louisiana have lost their homes to the floods. They had evacuated to northern Louisiana. We have heard from them. For our subscribers, you saw my photos in the Library of the huge historic antebellum homes on the beach in Pass Christian. I took those photos in July, ironically again during a tropical storm. I just saw news footage of that area and all those home are gone. Some of those homes had been there since the 1830s. Another irony, this town is named after one of my husband's great-grandfathers who discovered the pass between the islands and the Gulf Coast. His name was Christian Ladnier and was one of the founding families of the area between New Orleans and Mobile. That's why we have so many family members in this area. My husband has so many cousins in this area and we just don't know where they are now. It is so heartbreaking to see an area that we grew up into adulthood so torn apart. We don't know what our family members are going to do for homes or income. All the businesses have been destroyed. We are just some of the thousands who are trying to find our families on the Gulf Coast. If you want to help, send money to the American Red Cross or the Salvation Army. Write in the memo section Hurricane Katrina and the organizations promised to use the monies for that cause. These charities are sending in teams to feed the Coastal residents. Please keep all the Gulf Coastal residents and their families in your prayers. I am sorry if there are spelling or grammar errors in this message. I just don't have the heart to read over what I just wrote. I have cried so much, my head hurts. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 11:43:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VFhN3F031306 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:43:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VFe4U4031473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VFe0Ct054754; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7VFdsFn054639 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 92390 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2005 15:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2005 15:39:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4315CF43.3080709@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:39:47 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot References: <97.66a4e016.30460d9e@aol.com> <001601c5ada1$c64bbf40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001601c5ada1$c64bbf40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, If you were to keep your clay pipe in a small wooden box, padded, would that help prevent breaking? liz young Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Ann, > Thanks for this, i could have googled myself, but i hoped that somebody > knew about this. > Well then i could smoke a cigar then, when i get desperate. > Two expensive for me with all those ruined pipes. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot > > >> >> In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:24:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: >> >> In the book, there is a lady who in private smokes cigarillos, and i >> just >> wondered, did cigarillos (imported from Spain) really excist? >> I always have a problem when i smoke, because my clay pipe breaks >> during my >> travellings and they are very fragile. >> If this was true about cigarillos, perhaps i could use this in stead? >> >> >> >> It was my understanding that cigars/cigarillos were developed in the very >> late 18th or early 19th century, but I haven't seen exact documentation. >> >> Just did a Google!, and cigars seem to have first been made in Spain >> in the >> early 18th century, and spread from there after the Peninsular Wars >> (1808-1814). So it seems possible, but not likely, that the woman was >> smoking them. >> >> Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 12:08:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VG8Xox031666 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:08:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VG7f1g035078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VG7Yeq075947; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VG7UsN075818 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.200.9059086 (4380) for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <200.9059086.30472fad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:07:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/30/2005 4:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Well then i could smoke a cigar then, when i get desperate. > Two expensive for me with all those ruined pipes. > > There's always snuff...achooo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 12:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VGJAGF031797 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VGIV3j036597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VGITvm084655; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VGIQw6084604 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([70.18.156.20]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IM300F2YHAOU5K0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:18:20 -0400 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <007b01c5ae47$9ac83410$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200.9059086.30472fad@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1049/Wed Aug 31 01:19:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you use snuff properly you should sneeze. Cases for pipes are and were used ion the 18th century. Some are rectanglar and hold tobacco as well, but many are shaped like the pipe itself and worked in wood, silver, brass, tin, or iron. We also have at least one 18th century Iron pipe in our collection at work. Of courtse snuff was considered far more gentile than pipes. It requires also a number of costume accesories. The box of course, or a mull. And the handkerchef, which is meant for dusty ones upper lip. Ron Carnegie long time snuff user and pipe smoker ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about smoking in 18th century /ot > In a message dated 8/30/2005 4:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > >> Well then i could smoke a cigar then, when i get desperate. >> Two expensive for me with all those ruined pipes. >> >> > > There's always snuff...achooo! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 14:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VIdmPT001060 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VIckwf055893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VIbiM0094873; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VIaZdv093932 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc73.asp.att.net[204.127.197.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005083118362501400f7jqie>; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:25 +0000 Received: from [128.95.201.15] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:24 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:storm prayers Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:24 +0000 Message-Id: <083120051836.20991.4315F8A80000A0EB000051FF22073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, I love the idea of helping with rebuilding stashes and such. May I send some as well? > > Oh Penny, My prayers are to you and all of your family. > > > > Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 15:34:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VJYsIZ001580 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VJXad7063934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VJXTYl036836; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VJXPgM036730 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so15337wra for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F1UC52u2he2KOqx2GRV0CMjRETJvo3ghjZpIbKZ/ZR9gAoqiDGOM/WYw8+whTMi+/7ZkZD/TOP1AdWrhdtHxMXT++B+Al91x6joEQW9DXo/04Kx1RKa/TXrppy8/uOBfUB89WH732crJys/wA9vy9EOEe807faJzr4uMzIf9ojY= Received: by 10.54.33.78 with SMTP id g78mr543093wrg; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c050831123353382579@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:19 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:storm prayers In-Reply-To: <083120051836.20991.4315F8A80000A0EB000051FF22073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <083120051836.20991.4315F8A80000A0EB000051FF22073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7VJXPgM036730 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree, but I think we should wait a month or so until these communities get back on their feet and have places to live, let alone start a stash of fabric and such. Penny, I hope you hear from all your family very soon and that they are all well. Our check to the Red Cross has already been sent and PLEASE let your friends on h-costume know what we can do for you and your community. My brother-in-law, his wife and their brand new baby got out of Biloxi Sunday morning and stayed about 300 miles away. He too works at the Grand Casino; he's the lead male singer in the show. The company has kindly let all the show people out of their contracts so that they can collect unemployment for the months that it will take to repair the casino, and without prejudice so that they can reapply for contracts elsewhere or at a later date. I think that's wonderful for a large company to think of their employees this well. I hope they have treated all their employees the same way. My B-i-L is going to try today to get back into their flooded apartment, blessedly still in one piece, and see if there's anything to salvage. Then they're coming home to California. This was the second time he'd had to evacuate in the three months they'd been there, and it's just too much for them. They hadn't been there long enough to grow to love it although they really liked living in Biloxi. Your family is in my thoughts, LynnD On 8/31/05, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > Penny, > > I love the idea of helping with rebuilding stashes and such. May I send some as well? > > > > > > Oh Penny, My prayers are to you and all of your family. > > > > > > > > Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > > > > --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 15:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VJrGTq001767 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VJqIuV067668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VJqEkV051333; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42103.mail.yahoo.com (web42103.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j7VJpxEm051098 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79216 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2005 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KgmVk4CDuLAUX+IPGohVatd0EMEatqfpR8pdiakOo6l94ZYjl1WzK3v87wzQpHGs4Zog4Y2cK4sZ5Ox1UVO4Z6u6ExHYUhLhxg4sDZbmaMR0Km9REokHqkfjywE/rXg+sX1Utlvygy2AQQDma/KbjED6HUYAWDrYyAiIXyc06pM= ; Message-ID: <20050831195153.79214.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:51:53 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Storm update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, Anything you need, let me know. I have several people I can call on to help. Jodi faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 16:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VK3iqX001905 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VK32i1069425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VK2ors059557; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VK2TRa059226 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so246884nzd for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cVu1Z41y1GlOBt22tmwy4huAQavEATB5T5hfcVyUdjuFhEEnQubMzZbYGduXpuyjtfUlQIYW8NLZJP/47e222UIA5H7Os196PLaq0Hbgvdaa2rMFln4ESBwDCkuCcj0p90UIAFvYM0PUkhDuoBb2bnm3ZypzdOf0ZsXRG90wCuk= Received: by 10.36.148.16 with SMTP id v16mr1092500nzd; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7VK2TRa059226 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Gores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can >be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of >frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were >working by hand -- this was never designed to be done by machine. It's >much, much simpler by hand. If you do it by machine, you need to do a lot >of marking of seam allowances and turning points and so forth. All very >exact -- too much like machine quilting for my taste ;-) Everyone has a technique or 2 that they dont like or havent yet mastered. Perhaps Robin & others is missing out on a very nifty trick that will make this a tad easier. If setting a gore (godet) by machine is good enough for the couture industry, it's good enough for me. Here's how it's done. First we'll practice on a scrap: 1. Fetch 2 scraps of fabric, say 1 sq foot each. One, the garment piece, will be slashed and have the gore inserted. The other will be the gore. 1b. Prep the gore section. Typically, for us early period types up thru the 19th c, the gore is symmetrical and not on the straight grain, cross grain or true bias. It may have a seamline down the middle. If so, finish it now. Your gore should be several inches longer than the slash as measured down the center line. When using the true bias, the gore is at it's stretchiest. If you can master the technique this way, then every other gore should be easier. * Chalk 1/2" seamlines at the top of gore. They should cross at the top center. This is the apex of the gore. 2. On the garment piece, draw a chalk line right down the middle. The X marks the top of gore's seamline: ________________ ! ! ! ! !__________x ! ! ! !________________ 2. Stay stitch (check machine tension, ensure no pulling) 1/4" on either side of chalk line. When arriving at the point angle the stitching line gently toward the X. At the X, lift the foot, pivot your sample, and mirror-image stitch along the other side. DO NOT CUT the thread! That's possibly the most important part of this technique. There must be a continuous thread up, around & down the point. ! ! !_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_\x ! - - - - - - - - - - -/ ! 3. Slashing. Cut along chalk line, or, if you wiggled while stitching, cut between the stitch lines. Cut all the way to the X, but DO NOT CUT the thread. It's called slashing, but dont get too aggressive. If you twist, tug or pull you'll distort the results. 4. You'll need a powerful bit of imagination for this next bit. We'll be working right sides together, with the gore on the bottom, garment piece on top. Spread the slashed, garment piece so that the top of the slash aligns with the chalked seamlines of the gore. The top of slash threadlines goes exactly overtop the crossed chalked seamlines of the gore. Obvious the amount of seam allowance varies greatly on these 2 pieces. Believe me when I say the thread line goes exactly overtop the chalked seamlines. * slowly *baste* the last 2 inches toward the point; * at the X, put the machine needle down, pivot your work; * align the threadline with the chalk line on this side, and stitch a few inches Peek at the apex of the gore. Look good & smooth? finish stitching the seam. Look messy? pick out your stitches & try again. Assuming you've got the machine cleaned, a fresh needle, tension balanced, needle & thread correctly selected for the weight of the fabric and all the other basics under control, this should do you well. Cant understand w/o a picture? I love Claire Schaffer's books. Look up godets, gusset and/or "stitching a seam with an inward corner". Think you got it? How to cheat this technique: Stitch only the top 2" of the slashed section. After the gore is set into the slash, remove the stay stitching. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 16:56:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VKuA4m002396 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VKsqaM076570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VKsi0r097722; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VKoBrS094537 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.1-01) with SMTP id 81816134.2726914992.277106.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:49:57 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:49:56 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F80A@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Storm update Thread-Index: AcWuVuTgKDmjLA3tToSeTYPCUr1zUAAFduKA From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2005 20:49:57.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C16F430:01C5AE6D] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005081001)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7VKoBrS094537 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Storm update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Penny, I can't imagine what you are going through. Disaster has danced near my family, but never landed as hard as it has on your own folk. My thoughts are with you at this terrible time. I am also very, very proud of you. Why? Your photos and films may be the only ones taken of things now forever lost. Without your efforts, even the memory of them would soon fade. It may seem a small thing now, but if not for you, there might well be nothing at all left. I hope you can take some comfort in that during this dark time. {{{HUGS}}} Take care of what you can. Ask for help on the rest. Aid will be there. Kate McClure If that light at the end of the tunnel is a train, maybe I can catch a ride! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 16:59:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VKxsMQ002457 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VKxSkj077141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VKwah8000694; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VKvlZn099935 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so258736nzd for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=TlDd0HikYNQEUGB526VT9pjzDR9S0kJSgBbs86f+ISRe8OXUmO2/6T0cXPSWke6Brn4tuguxDSwAbmF9GpDPjocrgRk8Q00SV+xTxZr63AFC+zP56KGiTPefDZLjeBkL/5f9sAiX3wKUB5QwDfo2s2I042zUmZpcTpoLtJGqDio= Received: by 10.36.66.9 with SMTP id o9mr1103257nza; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.17 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:51:22 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j7VKvlZn099935 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>>After all, they made bustle gowns out of kimonos, y'know. >>> I'm sure you meant kimono fabric. There's hardly enough material in one >>> kimono to make a 2005 dress, let alone anything more voluminous. >> Nope. I meant Kimonos...picked apart and re sewn. There's an example of >> this very thing in the Kyoto book....page 291 in the big 1 volume book. >And anyway, there's about just enough fabric on a roll of kimono fabric to >make one kimono, so it doesn't make a big difference (except having to deal >with seams). And the pattern is specifically designed so that the center back seam will have the L & R halves of a design. Frequently the design continues on the front panels. The collar & sleeves might also be incorp'd into the all-over design. The skill of the kimono designer is in dyeing "yardage" with the all-over design firmly in mind. Careful cutting on the part of the western costumer can make fabulous use of these larger designs. A quick stroll thru the kimono dept of Takashimaya will convince you. You buy the 14m length and they tailor it for you. When I lived in Tokyo I spent many a weekend day seeking out fabric shops for japanese silk fabrics. Scarce as hen's teeth! The yardage shops sell silks in minuscule amounts for doll makers. They are unprepared for 6 meter buys. Heck, I couldnt even find a roll of silk brocade in a Japanese design with that much on it! Good thing there's flea markets at temples & shrines all over town. There are several styles of kimono, and in the 1880s were even more. Other kimono facts: The garment someone attributed to geisha that has long sleeves is not for geisha, it's for Maiko (pretty child) an apprentice geisha. There is a modern kimono variant, called furosode (wave sleeve) worn by unmarried ladies to festivals like Shichi-Go-San or New Years, in spring to Sakura parties (cherry blossom) and in summer to the Hana-bi (fire-flowers) fireworks displays. Supposedly the sleeves are so beautiful that one need but wave the sleeve to catch a man. The wedding kimono style is Uchikake, longer wider & with longer furosode style sleeves. Mine is embroidered with several Phoenix. The shinto wedding kimono is pure white (shiromoku = pure white). I have a regency style jacket that I made from an obi. Doesnt take much! A maru style obi runs roughly 5 yds and 24" wide (folded longways). Other obi styles are smaller or have less of the fancy pattern. Someone mentioned menswear as a yardage source. The kamishimo is sadly out of fashion, as are the samurai who wore them with hakama & men's kimono. Never saw one at the flea markets. (Yes, I was looking every weekend.) Western 1880s fashions appeared frequently in Tokyo on Japanese ladies. Happily, the fashion was for coordinating fabrics. I have several hand colored 1860-1880 Japanese woodcuts illustrating this. Kayta, you're welcome to come paw thru my kimonos, obi & japanese costume books & museum catalogs. Others are welcome, too. You've got my email address. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 18:36:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VMa7ed003117 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VMZCJ0089042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VMYxYf070196; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VMYtIP070122 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15020 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:56:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:56:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Gores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Cin wrote: > >Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can > >be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of > >frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were > >working by hand -- this was never designed to be done by machine. It's > >much, much simpler by hand. If you do it by machine, you need to do a lot > >of marking of seam allowances and turning points and so forth. All very > >exact -- too much like machine quilting for my taste ;-) > > Everyone has a technique or 2 that they dont like or havent yet > mastered. Perhaps Robin & others is missing out on a very nifty trick > that will make this a tad easier. If setting a gore (godet) by machine > is good enough for the couture industry, it's good enough for me. Let me rephrase what I said, then, since I see that the idea of "easier" came through much more strongly in the paragraph quoted than the overall point I was trying to make in my post. Setting a gore by machine is quite a good choice if you are doing (modern) couture work and/or want a (modern) couture effect. Once you're mastered the technique (very well described in Cin's post) it is easy enough to do. However: The original poster was trying to make a 13th century garment. The best way to get a 13th c. effect is to use 13th c. techniques. If you use a modern machine technique to set your gore, you'll get a modern (pointy) gore, which appears *not* to be something that is found in medieval clothing. The best way to achieve the medieval-looking gore is to use the medieval method, which is hand-sewing. As you said, with practice, you can certainly get nice, clean, perfect (modern) gores on machine. But for the original poster, who has not already learned that technique and is starting from ground up, I would still advise putting the time and effort into learning a technique that is more likely to be period rather than learning a modern one. If she doesn't already know the machine technique, it would indeed be fiddly and require lots of marking and turning and such; learning and perfecting this technique will be useful only if she wants the effect it can give. The usual disclaimers apply: This is what works for me, and for my approach. I realize I do a lot of things differently from others on this list, because my purposes are different. (I also have pretty much abandoned using modern measuring systems, anything requiring computation on paper, and anything resembling pattern drafting.) Someone whose aim is to get a reasonable-looking garment for event wear using the techniques they're already familiar with, or who is making other compromises (e.g. in materials or layering) for practical or budgetary purposes, will find different approaches that suit their needs. This is just fine, as far as I'm concerned. I hope that readers here understand that I will tend to answer questions about medieval clothing in terms of medieval techniques and medieval effects; modern adaptations are then up to the judgment and choice of the individual. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 18:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VMu5G1003225 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VMtJHt091510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VMtINn083702; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VMtGKN083681 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so53910rne for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GbqYYbLojWeRMA1Q5ABfT/awfOyMAv+r6oVHCKyptPNGObKHA19/Xdtr49ESsZh+/CdMjaSsGy8XVTrT8MOUDl3w9yampCo9qs1QM1gE/zekF7a+MJxiqoO+6p3p5+Xri284L6ElU7SOULunqIm7+P/cBTHryopgisQIgt+QUyI= Received: by 10.39.3.28 with SMTP id f28mr318889rni; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.56 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc266050831155525e0f6cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:55:15 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Gores In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7VMu5G1003225 Status: RO I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever takes is practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp... Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I would personally think that gores varied ... some pointy, some not. YMMV, Bridgette However: The original poster was trying to make a 13th century garment. > The best way to get a 13th c. effect is to use 13th c. techniques. If you > use a modern machine technique to set your gore, you'll get a modern > (pointy) gore, which appears *not* to be something that is found in > medieval clothing. The best way to achieve the medieval-looking gore is to > use the medieval method, which is hand-sewing. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 19:20:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VNKCca003399 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VNJcvP094728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VNJbYh098743; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VNJWJk098710 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A29C5DC65 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050831154244.03686b88@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:49:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Japanese wedding kimono (was: Question Sari fabric and Victorian dresses) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:51 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >The >shinto wedding kimono is pure white (shiromoku = pure white). When did Japanese wedding gowns become pure white? Or is it Shinto only? My mom was Buddhist, not Shinto. My mother's wedding kimono is dark, almost black IIRC, both in her wedding photos and what I remember when she wore it when I was a child for a fashion show on wedding gowns. I have yet to go through all her kimono stash in her house (I just found a pretty one for her funeral near the top), but I will this fall as I inventory everything. She had two large metal chests holding everything. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 19:44:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7VNi5c6003553 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7VNhI3k098572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VNhFQV012589; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VNh8MN012537 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.142] (pm5-142.eos.net [205.133.149.142]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7VNh4F7023663 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:43:05 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:33:42 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508310827.j7V8R8gc041182@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: katrina update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't see any recent posts, so I wanted to tell everyone who read Penny's long email yesterday that at 6 pm ABC News did a short piece on the town named for her ancestor, Pass Christian. Penny said that no one had been able to get to it and that it wasn't the sort of place that was shown on television. According to the reporter, Pass Christian was directly in the path of the storm and there is nothing left of it. This is such a horrible tragedy for our country, I can't even imagine how many people have no homes anymore. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 20:39:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j810dueS004009 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j810dORt006037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j810dLef041743; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j810dINR041685 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15876 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:00:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:00:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Gores In-Reply-To: <72adc266050831155525e0f6cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Marie Stewart wrote: > I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever > takes is practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp... > Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I > would personally think that gores varied ... some pointy, some not. I'd expect they varied, too, and I'd expect sewing methods in general varied from place to place, period to period, and person to person. I didn't say "no gores in the 13th century are sharp." I said it's a mistake to assume, from the evidence we have, that sharpness of gores was considered an important workmanship issue, or that medieval methods would, if properly done, necessarily produce sharp gores. I have no doubt that medieval people could have made their gores as pointy as they wanted -- they were very skilled, and their adeptness is evident in other aspects of these garments -- but I haven't seen evidence that they had any motivation to do this. My point is this: I hear a lot of people saying (or simply assuming) that gores are *supposed* to be perfectly flat and pointy. People routinely give advice on costuming lists on how to achieve this; they put up instruction pages on websites; they teach it in classes. Yet the best-known, most often referenced extant garments we have *don't* have flat, pointy gore tops -- an alternative I rarely see mentioned, much less taught. When I do slide lectures on the Herjolfsnes garments, I frequently point out the flat-topped gores, and from the reactions of the audiences, you'd think I'd just given them papal dispensation -- they never realized it was documentable to have non-pointy gores, hallelujah! Sure, maybe some medieval people made pointy gores. But we have absolutely no reason to think that flat, sharp gore points were valued, and what little data we have seems to suggest otherwise. Sure, it's fine to teach methods that produce flat, sharp points because they get the job done -- but I typically hear the "razor-sharp gore point" presented as a quality of accurate or well-made garb, and there's no justification to think that's the case. I wouldn't be surprised, for instance, to find out that some judges at SCA costume competitions would grade people down for gores with rounded tops or slight pleats, under the assumption that it's bad workmanship. That would, however, be a modern assumption, one that I suspect comes from people being taught to value making sharp clean angles in couture sewing, modern quilt-top piecing, etc. I've seen people teach other modern methods because they learned that "this is good sewing technique" without realizing that the garments *of the period they're teaching* show no evidence of those methods (e.g. gathered sleeve caps, French seam finishing, stay-stitching, facings, pattern matching -- and other techniques that were valued in some periods but not in others). In this instance, and in many others, ISTM that if you approach the construction of a garment using the materials and techniques available to the person of the period you're reconstructing and consistent with the known evidence, you're likely to come to different conclusions about what makes sense and what works well than you would if you use modern techniques and materials. And sometimes when we don't understand why period evidence shows us something (either in art or artifact), trying it using medieval methods may give us a clue that we wouldn't recognize if we used modern ones. On that line, I've been thinking about the small pleat in the top of the St. Louis shirt gore. There's no question that the shirt is well-made by a person highly skilled at sewing, so I would assume the pleat is intentional. I wonder if that slight pleating would make the gore wear better and work better, because it would allow you to spread the body of the shirt a little wider before encountering resistance at the stress point. If the gore is perfectly flat, you can't open the angle of the slash quite as far (unless you make the bottom of the gore correspondingly wider). With a flat gore, if you need to allow for a sizable amount expansion over a short vertical distance from waist to hip, you need to make a fairly wide angle, which commits you to a certain degree of width at the bottom. Making the top of the gore a little flatter and wider, and taking up that excess width in a small pleat, lets you get the sides of the finished gore further apart in those top few inches without as much stress, and without requiring more width at the bottom. Something else to try in an experiment... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 20:45:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j810jqEN004031 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:45:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j810jUZW006647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j810jTtI044752; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j810jRWO044738 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so240175rne for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VeSqFOSqAJ3Ka2s/CB/wvn1K4xnNGjUhOogNT9mEUkUy1mX7M+ETs24YFOJLSEhnVwJgPtdBUZ6ZwF1Frt0zyo4X2kVkmmsuMUsS6W4UtSOiiTk8vrmUN13485K3H3MS8zwNkjzW0E7NI3MdoQR9b5stq0IOuFFxvhYaajFlIfk= Received: by 10.38.59.34 with SMTP id h34mr360411rna; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.43 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905083117457996451e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:45:26 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j810jRWO044738 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] enough yardage for men's liene? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got 3 yards of 50" wide yellow linen that I'd like to make into a liene for my husband. He's 6'3", 240 lbs - is there any way I can squeeze a reasonably long (knee length) liente for him out of only 3 yards (any time period)? I'm aware of the Reconstructing History pattern but I don't want to get it if I don't have enough fabric. Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 21:44:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j811iOY9004494 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:44:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j811hnDT011859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j811hiJh072384; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j811hedI072321 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:43:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 01:43:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.206] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200509010041.j810dMKO041757@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:43:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2005 01:43:34.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[90E2FE90:01C5AE96] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Gores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Robin on the duplicating period techniques (or getting as close as possible) is usually the best way to duplicate a period result. Modern techniques are usually the result of technological process evolution, and may come up with a result that is often easier to learn, or looks "better", but may not look correct to the trained eye. That being said, my hand sewn gores suck (ok, *I* think they suck). I prefer the pointy gores because it's my personal opinion (based on ZERO objective or statistical evidence) that they were more common. And I'll keep doing them that way until I get them right :) My major problem is getting some sort of seam allowance on the body piece, but not the gore. What this means is that I either wind up with a stress gap at the point, or compression wrinkles (both of which I expect are prefectly period, but are ideally wrong). The most successful garment I've done with this, I rolled the edge of the seam up to the point before inserting the gore, and then whip stitching the seam - which I'm pretty sure is not period for this garment. Any suggestions? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 22:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j812cfjo004969 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j812bsRn017208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j812bq55097039; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j812bmQB097005 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF50751F03 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050831192400.0358d578@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:37:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] enough yardage for men's liene? In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1905083117457996451e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac1905083117457996451e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:45 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >I've got 3 yards of 50" wide yellow linen that I'd like to make into a >liene for my husband. He's 6'3", 240 lbs - is there any way I can >squeeze a reasonably long (knee length) liente for him out of only 3 >yards (any time period)? > >I'm aware of the Reconstructing History pattern but I don't want to >get it if I don't have enough fabric. > >Thanks in advance, > >Allison T. Hi Allison, Yes, sorta, if you made more of a long shirt with regular sleeves, than an Irish leine. I was able to make a shift out of 2 yards of 60" wide linen that went to my knees, and I am 5"6" and a plus size. It is based on rectangles with triangular side gores. Here's my dress diary on the Tudor shift I made. It has a basic layout diagram that may help you: http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/TudorShift/index.html This is a link to info on men's historical shirts, which may also help you http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emagdlena/shirt/shirt.html Leine's... well there are many definitions and ways to make them, historical (which can vary depending on woodcuts/images they are based on), Ren-faire style (long hanging sleeves gathered on a cord), or otherwise. I made a leine from 10 modern yards of linen for a friend, but it went into the skirting (pleats upon pleats), instead of the sleeves which were very modest. http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/irishbard/index.html Kass' site on Reconstructing History should give you good info on historical leine's in general, along with the patterns you mentioned. hth, I just hope I didn't confuse more than help. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 31 22:54:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j812sIYi005123 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:54:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j812rbMS019386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j812rZRh006748; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j812rVKA006644 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050901025324.VBHD1611.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:53:24 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.166.53]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050901025323.UQOK1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:53:23 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:53:27 +1200 Message-ID: <002a01c5aea0$5419bb20$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gores Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:53:27 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > That being said, my hand sewn gores suck (ok, *I* think they suck). I > prefer the pointy gores because it's my personal opinion (based on ZERO > objective or statistical evidence) that they were more common. And I'll > keep doing them that way until I get them right :) My major problem is > getting some sort of seam allowance on the body piece, but not the gore. > What this means is that I either wind up with a stress gap at the point, or > compression wrinkles (both of which I expect are prefectly period, but are > ideally wrong). One way I'd try, which may or may not have been used, would be to press the seam allowance under for the godet and ladder stitch the point in first. That way you don't run out of seam allowance for the body part, and if the point was pressed afer clipping the godet seam allowance on the inside you could get a neat sharp point. The only thing is the eam allowance for body and godet would be in the same direction: pointing inwards. No idea if there is any evidence of this. I know I've used ladder stitch several times for my historical garb. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 1 01:06:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8156u8Y006427 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:06:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j81565MA031463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j815602x062373; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8155viU062350 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m128.in-tch.com [216.166.191.128]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j814xbL04032 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <43168DA8.3060206@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:12:08 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Gores References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suggestions? hmmm.... If I were enamored of the pointy points, and having trouble getting them, I'd most likely treat the last couple of inches (either side of the gore top) almost as an applique on top of the main piece of fabric (combining the regular seam allowance idea with a technique from quilting/applique). The slashed opening would end a few inches down, and the gore/insert would continue, but laying on top of the main piece, with its seam allowances tucked under. And I'd do a type of blind stitch through the folded edge of the gore, down through the main piece, and back up, and through again. It looks like a running stitch on the "wrong" side of the fabric, and if done right, doesn't even show on the top ("right") side. I'm not explaining this very well in words, but unfortunately, my ascii art is even worse than my verbiage. If this is completely confusing, Marc, I'd be glad to send you a couple of examples from one of my quilting sources, off-list (I could maybe scan them at work, or else photocopy them and snailmail them to you.). I don't know, off-hand, of many quilting/piecing/applique sources online, although I'm sure there are some... --Sue Marc Carlson wrote: > I agree with Robin on the duplicating period techniques (or getting as > close as possible) is usually the best way to duplicate a period > result. Modern techniques are usually the result of technological > process evolution, and may come up with a result that is often easier > to learn, or looks "better", but may not look correct to the trained eye. > > That being said, my hand sewn gores suck (ok, *I* think they suck). I > prefer the pointy gores because it's my personal opinion (based on ZERO > objective or statistical evidence) that they were more common. And I'll > keep doing them that way until I get them right :) My major problem is > getting some sort of seam allowance on the body piece, but not the > gore. What this means is that I either wind up with a stress gap at the > point, or compression wrinkles (both of which I expect are prefectly > period, but are ideally wrong). > > The most successful garment I've done with this, I rolled the edge of > the seam up to the point before inserting the gore, and then whip > stitching the seam - which I'm pretty sure is not period for this garment. > > Any suggestions? > > Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume