From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 13:39:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j91Hdg96023288 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:39:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j91HcwQO087966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91Hcqjs039876; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91HclBD039805 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INO00HDTZOFNO00@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:38:34 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <012801c5c4e8$336dae50$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 20:31:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j920VcWV028483 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j920UufF020488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920UY7k009609; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j920UUlG009567 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 55546 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 00:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 00:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:30:23 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool felt source? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt (for making hats)? I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst of making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for flat goods) and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 20:48:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j920ma1c028709 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j920mFGP021454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920mEmT015313; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920m8fa015286 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=puYbATsc/7IDWnH3hsbh4r1VqWjWWWspHlNakp7ptvxVmLie0jUiRtOfBmwdz8w9; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.188] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ELs1P-0004KA-Lx for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c5c6ea$f30fc0f0$bc3c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:48:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b186e91ca00ed6e8ab52a01d1ba022355350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.188 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try Weir Dolls: http://www.weirdolls.com/fabrics/100felt.html They have a medium weight 100% wool felt in over 40 colors by the yard or in pieces. Hope this helps; good luck with your project. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 23:37:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j923bwLc030710 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j923bLWE035005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j923bFBI076607; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91KnaWK021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j91KhVjf008046 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:43:31 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <433EF661.6030500@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:49:37 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tea dye diagnosis and reversal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Folks, I've got something probably from the 1920s, partly wool, which might have been tea-dyed at some point; the colors are very muted. I've tried rubbing it with a damp white cloth, but no color came off. Do you know of any other way to tell if something has been tea-dyed? It should stand up to a proper washing, but I don't want to go through the hour or two of work it would entail to get this off its ground fabric just to find out after washing, that the color it is was the intended color! I did a Google search but didn't find anything to address this question. Thanks for the bandwidth, cv -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 23:45:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j923jvpl030806 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j923jdI1035927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j923jc4R079460; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8S7XV1U075382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-244-241-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.93]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j8S7XSQw022211; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:33:30 +1000 Message-ID: <00ad01c5c3fe$c9655ce0$5df1f4dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "AIPON" , "reenactment ladies" , "Garb list" , "historic costume" , "Renaissance Tailor" , "SCA Garb" , "social history" , "Tudor Fashions" , "Authentic SCA" , "Costuming" , "Accesories" Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:32:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:45:36 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Am I Period Or Not, Share your costumes with the world (cross post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, Some people may remember my last message on this topic a few months ago, well I'm appealing for more costumes, if you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. So far it appears the 16th century costumers are achieving our secret aim of taking over the world ;-). But there are so many other pretty styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 00:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j924AXE0031125 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j924A8or037026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j924A6Ul087583; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j924A3gJ087566 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j923oLwK003825 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051001230538.01c7c708@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:06:39 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? In-Reply-To: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> References: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know some of the millinery supply places on-line stock stuff like that. For example, http://www.hatsupply.com/flat_fur_felt.htm carries flat fur felt for some of the vogue vintage patterns. Cheers, Danielle At 07:30 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt >(for making hats)? >I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst >of making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for >flat goods) and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. > >liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 13:32:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92HW1WF021373 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92HVKRo016862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92HVFTi059964; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92HVBLm059911 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.138.195.154] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[117E9070:01C5C777] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Tambour: >You have for a background cloth a loose weave or netted material that is >pulled taught. Your crochet hook should be small enough that it inserts and >returns with thread without much difficulty. >Either side of the chainstitch w/out beads can be used. Ah, okay, that makes sense. My needlework encyclopedia uses the looped side. It doesn't show how to do tambour beading, but it shows how to fill spaces with tambour stitches, and they use the looped side as the right side. I think that's how it was done in the Empire period. Or maybe they did both? I have to go back and re-examine closeups I have of Empire era works, see which is the right side... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 14:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92ILSaH021923 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92IL70q019929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92IL3S1078608; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j92IKwkU078552 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20167 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 18:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 18:20:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051002191529.01d3b5d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:20:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:31 02/10/2005, you wrote: >>Tambour: >>You have for a background cloth a loose weave or netted material that is >>pulled taught. Your crochet hook should be small enough that it inserts and >>returns with thread without much difficulty. >>Either side of the chainstitch w/out beads can be used. > >Ah, okay, that makes sense. My needlework encyclopedia uses the >looped side. It doesn't show how to do tambour beading, but it shows >how to fill spaces with tambour stitches, and they use the looped >side as the right side. I think that's how it was done in the Empire >period. Or maybe they did both? I have to go back and re-examine >closeups I have of Empire era works, see which is the right side... I have part of a waistcoat, which I believe is French, which is tambour embroidered, with the "chain stitch" side on the top side of the fabric. You can see it in close-up as the background to my fotopic site. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 18:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92MgdTL025676 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92MgDu9038925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92Mg7W8082545; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92Mg4sn082531 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 836CB153C1 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:42:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could this be it? http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm88_5_0_46_2.html De -----Original Message----- Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:08:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9328k9a027902 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9327qZp054707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9327mVE065351; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9313XcQ040593 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so652839nzf for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UpM+0XOtL84H09xUwAjm0+cuVFb/TDYZw2Z3Rn78wxhmpTgfxV3Zfe44abYxTCewc77/FvYiLhfzEwOHa6c1MzK1EPaHU45bIIfZ/JGx53gIp394D4Ad7ryiZIeQ+9tfP40acBxmoHVtX7JjmiG97wT7OhoWW2BzoA+IQCrQPuI= Received: by 10.37.20.35 with SMTP id x35mr68260nzi; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 40sm1236910nzf.2005.10.02.18.03.26; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:03:27 +1000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having a little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric mentioned. I haven't made anything from this time frame (or the preceeding century), a fact which I don't think is helping. Calico and longcloth are mentioned quite a bit, I'm assuming the calico here is nothing like the calico I can buy in Australia (or more accurately the stuff you get in most fabric stores here, the calico I have in kits from the UK seems to be of a far better quality). What would I be looking for in terms of weave etc - although I'm not sure that this would help at the moment as the book describes the individual fabrics reasonable well in these terms but I can't seem to translate it to reality. Names of substitutes would possibly be better Cambric is also mentioned, and I'm wondering if anybody could, again, suggest substitutes please. Is it anything like a decent cotton lawn (like what liberty and liberty-like prints use)? If it is of any help I'm looking at making things like combinations, camisoles, petticoat bodices, american drawers and the like with a reasonable amount of handsewing (using the machine only for the long seams). Thank you, Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j932A8ch027924 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9329pQ8054930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9329oY4066207; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j931G0oT045211 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0INR00H2JFIIB750@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.70]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now *I* need to find a pic. All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). I know can I be - more - vague. I am especially looking for either a high-rez version that I can cut certain dresses out of the pic, or many high-rez details. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:29:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j932T2D0028072 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j932Si61056414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j932ShtC073158; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j932Sdks073135 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12969 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 02:27:44 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:27:44 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Now *I* need to find a pic. > > All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and > some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). Well, I found the name for you but after a little searching, I found very little on line. I found it in the book "20,000 years of fashion" by Francois Boucher and it is called "Hunting with falcons at the court of Philip the Good". The artist is just listed as "french school" and it is supposed to be housed at Versailles. > I know can I be - more - vague. > > I am especially looking for either a high-rez version that I can cut > certain dresses out of the pic, or many high-rez details. It may be easier to find if you can find the painting name in french and search for that. But if you don't have much luck, contact me off-list and I am willing to scan it and send it to you privately.... HTH, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 00:25:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j934Po0B029243 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:25:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934PAve066641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OqGJ019810; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OlPM019774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-106.sonic.net [209.148.113.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OkDO021504 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:24:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:24:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is the book you are using? You want a closely woven, fine-textured cotton or linen. Weight was usually light but varied from well, light but durable and pretty firmly woven, to rather sheer batiste type weight. Machine eyelet border-type fabric was popular as the main fabric for small garments like camisoles, and for flounces on things like drawers and petticoats. Color, usually white. Most originals are yellowish off-white by this time unless they were subjected to modern bleaching. Thin plain-woven silks were also used. These could be pink (pastel rather than bright), light pale yellow, cream colored, and that's mostly what I've seen in surviving garments from this period. Valenciennes type lace was very popular for trimming. Homemade crochet was quite popular for trimming the more firmly woven undergarments. Tatting was used to some extent with the same type of fabrics crochet was used with. There is certainly a larger number of "authentic" options than this, but anyway you've got the idea. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Victorian and Edwardian Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Sharon Nevin wrote: > Hi, > I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of > underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having a > little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric mentioned. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 00:45:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j934jeE0029474 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934jL1K067983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934jJYv027505; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934jGIh027475 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.50.186] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-50-186.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.50.186]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934jANc131204 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051002214417.0254f110@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:44:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? In-Reply-To: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt (for >making hats)? >I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst of >making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for flat goods) >and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. Many quilt stores will have 100% wool felt, but I don't know if it's the right weight. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 01:24:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j935Ooqw029745 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:24:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j935ONHv070212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935OK3i042030; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j935OGG4041967 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74410 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 05:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 05:24:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:24:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:03 03/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of >underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having >a little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric >mentioned. I haven't made anything from this time frame (or the >preceeding century), a fact which I don't think is helping. > >Calico and longcloth are mentioned quite a bit, I'm assuming the >calico here is nothing like the calico I can buy in Australia (or >more accurately the stuff you get in most fabric stores here, the >calico I have in kits from the UK seems to be of a far better >quality). What would I be looking for in terms of weave etc - >although I'm not sure that this would help at the moment as the book >describes the individual fabrics reasonable well in these terms but >I can't seem to translate it to reality. Names of substitutes would >possibly be better > >Cambric is also mentioned, and I'm wondering if anybody could, >again, suggest substitutes please. Is it anything like a decent >cotton lawn (like what liberty and liberty-like prints use)? > >If it is of any help I'm looking at making things like combinations, >camisoles, petticoat bodices, american drawers and the like with a >reasonable amount of handsewing (using the machine only for the long seams). Long cloth is a firm weave cotton (also know as Horrocks's Long Cloth - the name of the manufacturer.). I have a set of combinations in long cloth and it is similar to what I buy as cotton poplin, although in England that has a slight sheen, and the long cloth doesn't. Most of the genuine Victorian/Edwardian underthings I have are made from a similar weight material - but only the one has been specifically identified. English cambric is slightly heavier than Liberty weight lawn, as far as I know. However, mostly you cannot buy fabric in England by weight, so I cannot be more specific. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 01:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j935ZtP3029901 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j935YPCn070866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935YNmH045516; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935YLIK045475 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so812145nzf for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=dkyJzWP3tkNnYz+2mYRQ4CCHzq72F89in93xvHO9MoP2m1+dSnfK2njsjRbN03u75EG+RDVnRLo606VC2UxXBW8wa5VrK1hUSvEkQTDkK75Xj3IOYUnQnUlVcNQTvr0JfuxZiq5wptizxXKQfF1uw9HEQ5MeEXHcy45ixb3eq2I= Received: by 10.36.38.9 with SMTP id l9mr873983nzl; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e1sm2475865nzd.2005.10.02.22.34.14; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:34:19 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:24 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >What is the book you are using? Cutting Out for Student Teachers by Amy K. Smith. 3rd Edition. Printed By Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons, London. 1916. I got lucky on Australian ebay and found an original copy for au$30.00. The only changes between this edition and the 1904 edition is addition of two patterns plus changes to the letterpress in terms of clarifying instructions and updating of exams. It's basically 256 pages on teaching cutting out of and patterns for underclothing (ladies, children, and men's shirts) >There is certainly a larger number of "authentic" options than this, but >anyway you've got the idea. Thank you for your suggestions Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 04:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9389O6V026936 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9388spP081757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9388mP0003057; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9388ikr003000 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9388cW07162.; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:08:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:08:38 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:08:27 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: 2RE: [h-cost] living history questions Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9389O6V026936 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> joanmj@surewest.net 30/09/2005 20:41 >>> wrote >But isn't much (or even most) of that look an optical illusion rather >than actual physical posture? Lots of floof in the front and a pad >for the buttocks should give that look. Not entirely. I once tried on an original pair of combinations of that period and found that I had to stand in that posture to make them fit. h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 04:30:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j938UrtA032194 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:30:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j938UI3O084264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j938UFRh010740; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j938UBm1010714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j938O4jf016771 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:24:04 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4340EC12.6090609@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:30:10 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 References: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and >>some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). > > > Well, I found the name for you but after a little searching, I found very > little on line. I found it in the book "20,000 years of fashion" by > Francois Boucher and it is called "Hunting with falcons at the court of > Philip the Good". The artist is just listed as "french school" and it is > supposed to be housed at Versailles. I have been told that this is a *copy* of the orginal, which was lost or destroyed. It would certainly explain some of the weird details of the clothing. Other sources call it "the white wedding" although it doesn't seem to be a wedding. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 07:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93BsKOe031383 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93BrdeS014572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93BrXUv086358; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93BrV7W086298 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so1001916nzf for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=fV3tpV2HklfErmUB70URrQcbj7dyhJBacRa1rGxVFqvdlS8RCzzhI6dTa6XSsvTVIynpiRKo3cAiwRzn5j8EO10uWDaLUfsRw1Nws+1S/BwPDTxz5yQAfa6ydX3SrWtGiZa32Yb/FNWtL9fjto3imlGRMutLsd6Anf4r6GHYs8c= Received: by 10.36.247.57 with SMTP id u57mr134023nzh; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r1sm806726nzd.2005.10.03.04.53.24; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003215127.04f4f7f0@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:53:30 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >English cambric is slightly heavier than Liberty weight lawn, as far as I >know. However, mostly you cannot buy fabric in England by weight, so I >cannot be more specific. I've only seen fabric sold by weight from american suppliers, but cotton poplin (in a range of qualities) is easily available here (Australia) so that's extremely helpful. Thanks Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:05:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93D5Gjc001219 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93D4hTi019626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93D4cMM017504; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93D46Zn017258 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BAB147FE6C for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:04:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c5c81a$fa803be0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:04:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. First thanks for all your good wishes for my quick recovery. Apropos very fine linen, my embroidery shop has taken home some very fine linen. It is so fine that it is sheer, and the slopes are only very little. i remember back that some people needed sources for fine linen to a Chemise a la Reine. This would be very usefull for it. Dont think i have seen this before and just wanted to share that it is available on the market today. About tambour work. Costme in detail has closeups of embroidered gentlemans waistcoat made in tambourwork and worked with a variegated thread. Looks very nice. I got tambour hooks at lacis.com but must admit that the hook are two fine for me, much quicker for me to work chainstitches.................... At Nordiska Museet in Stockholm i found a beautifull embroidered womans purse with Silk Ribbon Embroidery dated from 1745. Roses made in ribbon, leaves two with straigt stitches. stemstitches for the lines. They even had leftovers of silk ribbons wined on cardboard, looks excactly the same as today. Got an x-ray of my break, looks good, plaster off oktober 20th. Has started to embroider again, only slow, and dyed silk threads today............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93DoPKk001877 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93DniO9022811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dnett041402; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93DnaKE041326 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INS00IBLEEGS1M0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:49:22 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to me!!! Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic Could this be it? http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm88_5_0_46_2.html De -----Original Message----- Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:55:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93DtB3u001908 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93Dsr6d023681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dsq7h044726; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dsi75044635 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:54:39 -0700 Message-ID: <4341382A.8050708@msn.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:54:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2005 13:54:39.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF353440:01C5C821] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? I have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the first picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag to the side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger panniers? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93E7r7O002048 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93E7HGY024834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E7E7p052511; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E7BP5052469 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BFD7F5EE073 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:07:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c5c823$cd570550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:07:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YOU WICKED FRAU _:-) How nice to hear from you! I cant answer you in this question, lady told me, she did not make it herself. But one thing i can tell you. The gentleman with the very beautifull embroidered suit in burgundy red had his mistress made it for him from fabrics of Hyena!!!! Machine embroidered fabrics can be very treathcherous :-( But beautifull.............. B jarne - Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume > Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely > pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the > yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? I > have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the first > picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag to the > side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger panniers? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 10:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93E9ase002076 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93E9CmL024958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E9CYL053784; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j93E9781053684 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70192 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 14:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 14:09:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003150806.01d403a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:09:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:49 03/10/2005, you wrote: >No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in >Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to >me!!! >Dame Catriona MacDuff I have a photo of a painting at the Ashmolean Museum of Cosimo, I think, but it is another Bronzino. I could send it you privately if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 11:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93FEUcT003105 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:14:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93FDa5u032920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FDP9F098277; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FCvF1097938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-125.sonic.net [209.148.114.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FCrpv002663 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: <43414A7A.70100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:12:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, that's a classic of the period. I have a couple editions of it. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sharon Nevin wrote: > At 02:24 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: > >> What is the book you are using? > > > Cutting Out for Student Teachers by Amy K. Smith. 3rd Edition. Printed > By Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons, London. 1916. I got lucky on Australian > ebay and found an original copy for au$30.00. The only changes between > this edition and the 1904 edition is addition of two patterns plus > changes to the letterpress in terms of clarifying instructions and > updating of exams. It's basically 256 pages on teaching cutting out of > and patterns for underclothing (ladies, children, and men's shirts) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 12:48:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93Gm8vm004381 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93GlN96044734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93GlD0a073467; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FDGso098086 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INS00HAPI9URR30@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:12:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003150806.01d403a0@127.0.0.1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be great! Thanks! Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic At 14:49 03/10/2005, you wrote: >No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in >Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to >me!!! >Dame Catriona MacDuff I have a photo of a painting at the Ashmolean Museum of Cosimo, I think, but it is another Bronzino. I could send it you privately if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 19:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93NaxWv009990 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93NaLLZ096249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Na9YU091792; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dsl081-049-042.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.49.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Na6Vi091696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bunny@lzrd.com) Received: from dsl092-184-213.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.184.213] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by localhost.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EMZry-0005AT-CU for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:35:51 -0700 From: Kimberly Villian User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 corset for elerly woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all. I havn't posted to this board in a very long time, but I am seriously hoping someone has some insight they could share. http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1062.GIF I'm working on the 1891 straight-front corset, which is supposed to come out to 35" bust, and 24" waist, with the typical 5/8" seam allowance drawn into each piece. It's supposedly an original from Harper's Bazaar, not sized up. (It appears the maker has re-drawn this pattern to make it multi sized since I purchased it, but this one is "the original"). However, once putting it together in a muslin, it comes out more like 42" bust, and 30" waist, with typical lengths to front, back and side. Not to mention that with the slope of the breast area, I would need at *least* a D-cup to even start filling it out. Does anyone know whether this pattern maker has mis-quoted the seam allowances vastly or done something else wacky I've not considered yet?? I'm confused -- the narrower pieces don't look like they could be taken in any more, or they would be less than 1/4" wide, finished! If nobody has any idea about my issue with the older version of the pattern, perhaps someone would know about the current one? Perhaps even quirks and tricks about this maker's corset patterns in general? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Confuzzled, K _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 19:45:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93Nj3jl010120 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93Nid2j096894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93NiZmn096538; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j93NiM7c096352 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14919 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 16:43:54 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14901, pid: 14910, t: 2.0487s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:33/d:1070 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 16:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051003164241.04be7cf0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:44:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 corset for elderly woman In-Reply-To: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> References: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:35 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: >Hello all. >I havn't posted to this board in a very long time, but I am >seriously hoping someone has some insight they could share. > >http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1062.GIF > >I'm working on the 1891 straight-front corset, which is supposed to >come out to 35" bust, and 24" waist, with the typical 5/8" seam >allowance drawn into each piece. It's supposedly an original from >Harper's Bazaar, not sized up. (It appears the maker has re-drawn >this pattern to make it multi sized since I purchased it, but this >one is "the original"). > >However, once putting it together in a muslin, it comes out more >like 42" bust, and 30" waist, with typical lengths to front, back and side. >Not to mention that with the slope of the breast area, I would need >at *least* a D-cup to even start filling it out. > >Does anyone know whether this pattern maker has mis-quoted the seam >allowances vastly or done something else wacky I've not considered >yet?? I'm confused -- the narrower pieces don't look like they >could be taken in any more, or they would be less than 1/4" wide, finished! >If nobody has any idea about my issue with the older version of the >pattern, perhaps someone would know about the current one? Perhaps >even quirks and tricks about this maker's corset patterns in >general? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > >Confuzzled, >K Have you put in the boning yet? The boning will take it in quite a bit. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 03:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9476h6r030994 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:06:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94763c7033875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9475sl0014521; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9475pZU014450 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0DBE65D for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <433CFCEF.5040103@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:53:03 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are her panniers hanging to low? They look droopy. WickedFrau wrote: > Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely > pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the > yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? > I have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the > first picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag > to the side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger > panniers? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:11:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MBOkp029714 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:11:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MAo8L052285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MAdxG011224; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MAZ2s011076 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4342FDD3.7010801@msn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:10:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 22:10:28.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DAAF220:01C5C930] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:12:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MBxiB029731 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:12:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MBiEo052476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MBhsg012009; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MBc0w011869 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4342FE13.8030901@msn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:11:31 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 22:11:32.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[9414A000:01C5C930] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Testing, Testing 1, 2, 3 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone else getting mail??? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:14:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MEndd029780 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:14:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MEWI2052828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MEViG013991; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MERco013944 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LTU1KV1E0G8Z1WRG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:23 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LTU1KVVF3O9C1ZX0@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:25 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:24 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > I got this. The last email I had before this one was ~14 hours ago. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:04:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N4pdl030605 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:04:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N4THD059873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N4OAq051702; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N493M051411 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.188 ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005100423040401500bacake>; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:04:04 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.188; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:33 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:33 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052303.24698.43430A45000DA87D0000607A22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the list might be mid-hiccup or at that point in a cyber-shneeze where it's gathering the emails for big explosive schneeze. And then we'll all be innundated... -------------- Original message -------------- > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N4vMv030612 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N4TjU059874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N4GKC051572; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N493J051411 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.188 ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005100423040101500b7628e>; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:04:01 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.188; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:48 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:48 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052303.25189.43430A540008953C0000626522092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the list might be mid-hiccup or at that point in a cyber-shneeze where it's gathering the emails for big explosive schneeze. And then we'll all be innundated.. Elena/Gia. -------------- Original message -------------- > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:07:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N7Vvc030650 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N7D6q060255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N79RX053737; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N734p053545 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F883CE9B for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43430B55.5040500@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:08:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing References: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Adele de Maisieres wrote: > WickedFrau wrote: > >> Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > I got this. The last email I had before this one was ~14 hours ago. > Got both tests and Adele's reply. Something is working... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 00:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j954fgSZ007821 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j954fBcg093592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j954f5D8019641; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j954f10a019622 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:41:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.20.126 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:41:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.20.126] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:40:58 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2005 04:41:01.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC955760:01C5C966] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Known World Costume Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j954fgSZ007821 Status: RO I'm sure all the SCA people know about this, but even non-SCA people who are interested in medieval or renaissance costume would find things to learn at this event this weekend. It will be in Atchison, Kansas which is near Kansas City. The website is very badly designed but at least gives the minimum information: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 09:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95DQj5g014141 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95DQA4K063963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95DPv2K045177; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95DPnKo045044 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:25:29 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine linnen Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:25:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002001c5c81a$fa803be0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-index: AcXIG0IvlFD0UMzsQaSI2JXYbSdGUABlLCqg Message-Id: <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where does one purchase this wonderful linen? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fine linnen Hi. First thanks for all your good wishes for my quick recovery. Apropos very fine linen, my embroidery shop has taken home some very fine linen. It is so fine that it is sheer, and the slopes are only very little. i remember back that some people needed sources for fine linen to a Chemise a la Reine. This would be very usefull for it. Dont think i have seen this before and just wanted to share that it is available on the market today. Bjarne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 17:24:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95LOhxS026056 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95LO4K6048362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNoVU015300; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNh3B015230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-131.sonic.net [209.148.113.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNfXt016617 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:23:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4344445E.1020305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:23:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry James film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After having thought I'd seen every Henry James film adaptation in existence, I just ran across a "new" one--a 1998 PBS Pictures film of "The American," starring Matthew Modine, Diana Rigg, and others. They took a few liberties with the novel, but it's a good film. It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 18:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95MAte2027077 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:10:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95MAOJs057365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MAHeQ053189; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MA8xl053056 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12195 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:10:06 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Henry James film Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Henry James film Thread-Index: AcXJ81cr7AsvIqPUQ925STNvuXjbwgABRSgg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j95MA8xl053056 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another PBS/BBC Mystery production set in the mid-late 1860's is "Uncle Silas" with Peter O'Toole. Not too many on-screen stuff is set in the mid-late 1860's or 1884-5, probably because both of these sets of years during the rule of the bustle/back fullness dress cycle are seen as visually unattractive today. Probably the same reason we don't see too many productions set in the late Elizabethan or early Jacobean wealthy and court society, as well as into Charles I. In the former French farthingales take up too much space and in the later all those high-waisted, big sleeved, wide and ornate collars make most women look fat and/or pregnant to modern eyes Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Henry James film After having thought I'd seen every Henry James film adaptation in existence, I just ran across a "new" one--a 1998 PBS Pictures film of "The American," starring Matthew Modine, Diana Rigg, and others. They took a few liberties with the novel, but it's a good film. It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 18:45:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95MjI4o027815 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95Mig7G063575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Mia7H083574; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MiVHl083456 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.fd.1d93e660 (24895) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:44:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/5/2005 6:11:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Yes, the only other things I've seen in this silhouette are the fiancee's gowns in "The French Lieutenant's Woman" and "Scarlet"...the sequel to "Gone With the Wind" [what a dreadful idea THAT was!] I'd love to see "The American"...someone a while back on the classical music boards I'm on was saying how much they liked it....or was that "Our Mutual Friend" by Dickens? Anyway...speaking of Dickens and Diana Rigg, there's a "Bleak House" I've never seen. BBC, I think. And a "Woman in White" [who wrote that one? a great little gothic yarn!] I did see and loved. Neither are on DVD or tape or anything that I can find. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 19:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95NgTkl028802 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:42:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95Ng4lg073081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Ng1mU019668; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Nfu9U019562 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1f2.137d2349 (24895) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:41:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW.... I went to DVDpricesearch.com [a very good site] to check and see if any of these films were now available. It had been a while since I looked. Voila! "Bleak House"....with Diana Rigg and "Our Mutual Friend" are both available on DVD and a mere $9.98 at Deep Discount DVD....with free shipping in the US. "The American" was not there, but a search for Diana Rigg turned up the 1968 Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the play's the thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is Titania with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen Mirren is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just great! No "Woman in White" alas. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 20:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j960LLLC029794 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j960Kmkx076762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KbAR040266; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KXmV040231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-180.sonic.net [209.148.114.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KWNH013867 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <43446DD1.40808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:20:33 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "The American" is on DVD if anyone wants to see it. It is hard to find on Amazon, there are a ton of films with "American" in the title, but it is there. You could try looking for the stars' names. I have "The Woman in White" on VHS tape. The novel is by Wilkie Collins. He also wrote "The Moonstone," and there is a good film of that, which I also have on tape. "Lady Audley's Secret" is another good Gothic film. The BBC "Bleak House" is on film too. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Anyway...speaking of Dickens and Diana Rigg, there's a "Bleak House" I've >never seen. BBC, I think. And a "Woman in White" [who wrote that one? a great >little gothic yarn!] I did see and loved. Neither are on DVD or tape or >anything that I can find. >_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 23:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j963CfOn000308 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j963C2aS092728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j963BqiV025220; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j963Bmw8025131 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65082 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 03:11:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6RRkrLdQhwPQGHjKT+TEgQq6tuBq7LNT6Yg3ytkApbFFWeCryZfKSuV44W+EGLyzMxT3h50xszWytyErfTZLQXoddI8xbts8Ke6XY/nxGwFT/6tZXRsyYpRO3/ehxPM8qHjQ5dr9y9wvx1TjTTnUh8hcXVW7cO0XFC42jFAL7tQ= ; Message-ID: <20051006031143.65080.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:11:43 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510042048.j94KmRqR044049@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found that with many old corset patterns in general, I have to take in the bust gores considerably. I didn't use this particular pattern, but I did put together another ageless pattern corset and that was the easiest way to fix the problem of the overly-large bust. I can't say that my measurements were THAT far off, though. I know in the past, that with other corset patterns with so many pieces, I've ended up throwing a whole piece away to get it to fit correctly. Strange! If you have someone to help you fit it, try to see where it is coming out too large and have them help you pin it in to fit/cinch you. That's the best suggestion I can offer, which is probably obvious! ;) When I've made the Ageless Patterns work, I've always been pleased with the results. Good luck! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 07:41:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96Bf6Yf015886 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96BeS78055774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96BeLL5037683; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96BeH0Q037628 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1A0214; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:40:10 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Oct 05 11:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:43:37 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is one of my favorite renderings of Mid Summer... I think I remember seeing it actually on TV when it was done. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film > BTW.... > > > I went to DVDpricesearch.com [a very good site] to check and see if any of > these films were now available. It had been a while since I looked. > > Voila! > > "Bleak House"....with Diana Rigg and "Our Mutual Friend" are both available > on DVD and a mere $9.98 at Deep Discount DVD....with free shipping in the US. > > "The American" was not there, but a search for Diana Rigg turned up the 1968 > Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is > wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern > dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the play's the > thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is Titania > with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen Mirren > is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just great! > > No "Woman in White" alas. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 08:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96C3l1d016187 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:03:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96C3TaC058494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96C3QKA047360; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j96C3MqY047276 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 18682 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051006125643.01d404b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:01:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film In-Reply-To: <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >a search for Diana Rigg turned up the >1968 > > Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is > > wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern > > dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the >play's the > > thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is >Titania > > with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen >Mirren > > is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just >great! I was working at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre in 1968 when they were filming "Midsummer Night's Dream." Meeting a bright green Ian Holm in the car park, with his pointy ears and all was a bit startling, especially as I had known him for years! They all used to come back to the theatre to shower off the green makeup, as there were no facilities at Compton Wynyates, where they were filming. (Incidentally the man who invented the process for bald caps and pointy ears, as worn by Mr Spock, was the Wig Master at Stratford.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 09:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96D6Gn7017111 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96D5jxq065781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96D5eOa075425; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay5-dav4.bay5.hotmail.com [65.54.172.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96D5beh075369 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:05:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.65.29 by BAY5-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:05:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine linnen Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:06:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:06:17 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2005 13:05:29.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[A08660C0:01C5CA76] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j96D6Gn7017111 Status: RO I look forward to hearing from Bjarne whether we might have access to this linen. In the mean time. Linen like this is available online from the Linen House, but is very expensive. http://www.thelinenhouse.com/EN/FRAMESET.asp?VS=TLHO&LA=ENGL I have a set of their samples if you would like some guidance about the fineness. My sample set is a few years old now, but I think I can give you some idea of what they are like. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Moeller To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine linnen Where does one purchase this wonderful linen? Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 13:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96HrVw2021723 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96HqoX4010159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96HqXFJ087303; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96DjJQ7095385 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j96DjDs28225.; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:45:00 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j96HrVw2021723 Status: RO There is about to be a new BBC version of "Bleak House" dramatised by Andrew Davis of "Pride and Prejudice" fame, with Gillian Anderson in the Diana Rigg role. The previous version was 1985 according to "Radio Times". The version of "The Woman in White" shown on TV a few years back took considerable liberties with the plot, trying to be "relevant" by making Sir Percival Glyde's guilty secret to do with child abuse rather than that his parents weren't legally married. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 14:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96IB4Cq021959 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96I9Knl012597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9Hvh001072; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9B2r001000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-120.sonic.net [209.148.114.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9Ax2031889 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:09:11 -0700 Message-ID: <43456846.9050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:09:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Although the films of "The Woman in White" and "The Moonstone" are both good, I think Wilkie Collins' novels are better in both cases. The novels are mysteries; the suspense aspects, the unraveling of mysteries bit by bit, the false leads, are not really carried off as well in the films. "The Woman in White," as a novel, is a Gothic as well as a mystery, and that doesn't come through as well in the film either. Still, I'm glad the films were made, and I liked them. I'll look at any film based on a novel I like unless it's really, really, really bad (according to reviews). I even kind of liked the modernized "Great Expectations" with Gwyneth Paltrow (think Dickens Lite), aside from the music. I am looking forward to the new "Bleak House." Do you know when it will be coming out and especially, coming out on DVD? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kate M Bunting wrote: >There is about to be a new BBC version of "Bleak House" dramatised by Andrew Davis of "Pride and Prejudice" fame, with Gillian Anderson in the Diana Rigg role. The previous version was 1985 according to "Radio Times". >The version of "The Woman in White" shown on TV a few years back took considerable liberties with the plot, trying to be "relevant" by making Sir Percival Glyde's guilty secret to do with child abuse rather than that his parents weren't legally married. > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 09:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97Do0EM004397 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97DnXpo039211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97DnXUa045735; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9782Psd099930 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9782Jp19531.; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:02:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:02:19 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:02:03 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j97Do0EM004397 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> fran@lavoltapress.com 06/10/2005 19:09 >>> wrote >.I am looking forward to the new "Bleak House." Do you know when it will >be coming out and especially, coming out on DVD? It starts on UK TV next week. I suppose it will come out on DVD after the whole series has been shown. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 09:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97Do053004396 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Djvwt038932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Djnin043626; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97597Wr028058 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20ng.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.240] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ENkTY-0001C4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:55:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne at Gustavian feast X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne is the subject of the 6th row, center picture www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bl17.htm Sandy At 01:00 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:54:50 -0700 >From: WickedFrau > >Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely >pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the >yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? > >Sg "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 11:41:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97FfRs7005766 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Fdnao051802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97FdkYW019494; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97FcxAp018798 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172253CEB1 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43469694.7000800@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT5048.shtml It's me again. :) Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 12:21:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97GLiK6006236 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97GLGv7060404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97GL2iI050209; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97GKqcJ050065 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17764 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:20:50 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter Thread-Index: AcXLVc9FX85QfVTzRH6at1VCLcXf1gABJxYg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j97GKqcJ050065 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, it is the original scale patterns and illustrations from tailoring and fitting instructions originally printed. Unless the late Jean Hunnisett has a successor to carry on her Period Costume for Stage and Screen series of books, I doubt we will see any more books on historic patterns scaled to fit the modern wearer. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT5048.shtml It's me again. :) Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 14:44:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97IiYfN008215 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97IhsS1081457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Ihjr3061093; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IhdgG060981 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065226593 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622827C0 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:33 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:33 -0600 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Cleveland? 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Cheers! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 14:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97IvuUg008438 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Ivac1083079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IvYSw071070; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IvRwb070918 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1e4.457d5e35 (3924) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.457d5e35.30781f10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 10:23:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Yes, it is the original scale patterns and illustrations from tailoring and fitting instructions originally printed. Unless the late Jean Hunnisett has a successor to carry on her Period Costume for Stage and Screen series of books, I doubt we will see any more books on historic patterns scaled to fit the modern wearer. And because the information on the "Princess" line of this period is so difficult to come by, it is a good source of information. I would be lost without it during my current design and build of "Doll's House". It also contains a detailed account of "etiquette" regarding the proper time and place for different fashions of the time IE. Traveling, visiting, promenading, opera, mourning (all three degrees), etc. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 16:31:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97KVwT9009912 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97KV4YV095558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97KUsu8039821; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97KULZJ039555 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from cpc2-midd3-3-0-cust239.midd.cable.ntl.com [80.6.241.239] (helo=HP411.jigrah.co.uk) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1ENyrE2DR5-00044K; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:30:20 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20051007212901.00b95690@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt8296337-1938@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:30:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jill Hadfield Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? 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To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5009 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is awesome! You are doing a fabulous job. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 17:58:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97LwvH5011115 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97LwD60006864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw74q001545; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw3J9001512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-246.sonic.net [209.148.113.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw12M012731 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:58:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The new edition of Hecklinger's _Dress and Cloak Cutter_? It's typical of my old friend Robb Shep's books. (He recently moved back to San Francisco, in a neighborhood near mine! But Fred Struthers is still distributing Robb's books from Fort Bragg, for those who want to buy direct; the URL is www.rlshep.com.) The _Dress and Cloak Cutter_ contains a solid selection of women's pattern drafts primarily oriented to tailored clothes, probably drawn to true scale but I haven't done the math to check. Anyway it includes all the period drafting instructions and a supplementary section on clothing etiquette. If you want sizing, our two-volume anthology _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, which contains several hundred patterns for women's garments from 1877 through 1882, includes many patterns that use an apportioning scale system. Volume 2 also includes a dressmaking manual with information drawn from many sources. Both volumes contain extensive quotes from fashion columns and other sources on construction, fabrics, trimmings, what was worn when, etc. Paper patterns, in the sense of Butterick et al, are just not a suitable production format for a book. Basically you've got a trade-off. You can buy individual full-sized patterns in modern sizes and get the convenience of that. Or you can buy a book, and enlarge and size the patterns (even if they are drawn to _a_ modern size, it's not necessarily the wearer's). And you get a much larger range of styles at a lower per-pattern price. But book and full-size pattern publishing formats can't do all the same things; think of a book's sizing and binding issues. Aside from the shelving issues that make a book larger than 8 1/2” by 11” significantly harder to sell to both bookstores and libraries, the more you put into a book for each pattern, the fewer patterns will fit in it. You also have to realize that if you want a book that is a direct reprint of an original source (like most of Robb's) or based on original sources (like ours), there is not an infinite number of original sources. The further back you go, the fewer there are. The best books in English with women’s clothing patterns that I know of (and I’ve been collecting for decades) are the Hecklinger that Robb reprinted (and Robb’s also collected for decades), and an extremely rare US source that we used for parts of _Fashions of the Gilded Age_. The German book that we used as a source for the apportioning scale patterns, and some others, is a bigger (many more patterns) and IMO a better book than Hecklinger’s. But, we had to pay a professional technical translator quite a lot. And I still had supervise her very closely using my knowledge of period patterns and clothing, and what's left of my college German. And there isn't an infinite number of foreign sources either, nor are they, as a general rule, hugely different from the ones in English. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The >description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering >if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams >that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) > > > >Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 18:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97M3i3p011170 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97M3IMh007392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3HAG004854; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3DE3004805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-246.sonic.net [209.148.113.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3Bog006330 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4346F0A0.2030303@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:03:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885 --correction References: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, I meant not the best original books of patterns "for all time," but the best ones for women's clothes of the late 1870s and early 1880s, specifically; not before or after. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > The best books in English with women’s clothing patterns that I know > of (and I’ve been collecting for decades) are the Hecklinger that Robb > reprinted (and Robb’s also collected for decades), _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 19:49:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97NnAoa012707 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97NmTYN018711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:48:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97NmPMH063272; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:48:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97MQJjW019097 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01223CEB6 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4346F61A.6030402@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:26:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter References: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > The _Dress and Cloak Cutter_ > contains a solid selection of women's pattern drafts primarily oriented > to tailored clothes, probably drawn to true scale but I haven't done the > math to check. Anyway it includes all the period drafting instructions > and a supplementary section on clothing etiquette. Does it contain any assembly instructions? I can usually figure out what the pattern pieces are in the miniature diagrams, I just have no idea how to assemble clothing from this era without it looking like a bad home ec project. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 20:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j980bqoK013172 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j980bUjn023056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980bSVq084845; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980bMOi084765 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.f4.5ad79d5c (4206) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 7:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I just have no idea how to assemble clothing from this era without it looking like a bad home ec project. ************************* Oh c'mon! I'm sure your skills are more then adequate. The way I was taught: One thing is, you have to trace all sewing lines and not rely on even seam allowances like a commercial pattern. Indeed, if the bodice is flat lined, as they usually are, the best way is to trace on the flat lining, and then hand baste the lining to the fashion fabric while each piece is flat on a table [FLAT lining after all] right on [or just outside] the traced sewing lines. This way you can see the sewing lines on both sides of each pattern piece. [If the fabric was thick, we would baste right on the traced lines, and sew just to the outside of them...to make up for the thickness of the layers of fabric.] You then line pieces up by sticking a pin through the two pieces being sewn together to line them up. Then using ANOTHER pin to pin it in place before you take out the pin you used to line it up. Lots of balance marks help. The other non-modern thing is you must set sleeves into the armseye. None of this sewing the sleeve seams and underarm seam at the same time stuff. Again using the line-up-with-a-pin method and matching seams if they match and lots of balance marks. My friend who used to work with me on period movies would hand bast in sleeves after pinning if they were difficult, like Gigot or leg o' mutton sleeves, before sewing them in by machine....but you don't NEED to do this. All this basting is of course pulled out later. And of course clipping the allowance of curved seams so they will lay flat when pressed open is a must. I once saw a pair of 1890s bodices obviously made by the same TOC seamstress. The insides were beautiful. The curved seams of the 6 piece backs were scalloped....not just clipped...like they were clipped every inch or so and the right angles of the clipped seam allowance cut off in curves. Then pressed open. Then the raw scalloped edges were bound in narrow magenta seam binding. THEN a bone, covered in brown glazed cotton, was cross stitched down the center of each seam, to the seam allowance, with magenta thread. All those scalloped and bound and boned seams converging to about an inch apart at the waist was a thing of beauty! The front was just 2 pieces [as usual] with 2 darts on each side of CF under the bust, again with boning cross stitch down each dart that was clipped just once at the waist. This is the way to do it. Time consuming? A bit. But, y'know....if you're gonna do it anyway..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 20:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j980uBEL013355 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j980tgB5024904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980tdSs093354; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980tYMf093302 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j980tUWa019958 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01c5cba2$fb53f0d0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:55:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't live in Cleveland; I'm about an hour and a half southeast of it. You'll love the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Kent State University Fashion Museum! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I > was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? > Cheers! > -sunny > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 22:35:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j982ZkMq014545 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j982ZJ4a033521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j982ZCDX032491; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j982Z7Jq032458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0232.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.232]:2454 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EO4YH-0002T4-RX for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:35:11 -0400 Message-ID: <43473056.8050709@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:35:02 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I just gotta ask. first of all, what is a TOC seamstress? then more importantly, was the seam binding sewed to the scallops in scallops or was it straight following where the seam was or would be? thanks, Kitty AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/7/2005 7:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dawn@reddawn.net writes: > > I once saw a pair of 1890s bodices obviously made by the same TOC > seamstress. The insides were beautiful. The curved seams of the 6 piece backs were > scalloped....not just clipped...like they were clipped every inch or so and the > right angles of the clipped seam allowance cut off in curves. Then pressed > open. Then the raw scalloped edges were bound in narrow magenta seam binding. > THEN a bone, covered in brown glazed cotton, was cross stitched down the center > of each seam, to the seam allowance, with magenta thread. All those > scalloped and bound and boned seams converging to about an inch apart at the waist > was a thing of beauty! > The front was just 2 pieces [as usual] with 2 darts on each side of CF under > the bust, again with boning cross stitch down each dart that was clipped > just once at the waist. > > This is the way to do it. Time consuming? A bit. But, y'know....if you're > gonna do it anyway..... > _______________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 00:45:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j984jgJZ015906 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:45:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j984jGhg044029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j984jCvd080859; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j984j7N8080818 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33599 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2005 04:45:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6o78kvkuKv01Xl+peWc0m7g2YVGYnsqhb0ieO0AUmWOUfDIxDjuEc8ILgFHAp3KL+FoeCWEbMRhYHxJLoN4NOF7/orJVRS7zDkannWpq734l9pO7mDCqoEl9NNUPHHuyvx2NA/z1Nd2OlzT2cj15WnLS3LTJrvcd73zxEm5LWJk= ; Message-ID: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:45:02 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tippets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as the surcotte. Anyone ever looked into this? They had to have been sewn on somehow, or else how would you prevent them from sliding down the arm? I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the construction. From what I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98C7CUs019899 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98C5QDF088692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C5Imb045455; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C5GaV045412 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u24so677815qbh for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KQYwDmzeQoCCDe+HFuF+RStBfuN9jT8SGwyvLcAsdamMuA5AHUEENSPj+Mi2YdI+5olZ4ZA99Pfzk0LObZx7pEh2JTLmAOiyoWoBkUvW1u6a3v3yV3JozZE2EDlN3StpNLHpNvZcbmoka6vqWzTypPn8t1SxTVrAOjBxMeHv6HM= Received: by 10.65.22.17 with SMTP id z17mr1315689qbi; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510080505q4cf2db79w347c762aa1a40a40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:05:11 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j98C5GaV045412 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton has written quite an explanation of tippets. The article is in the first Journal of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. Information there may help you in your efforts to produce your own. The article is scholarly, and not a how-to-make type. Of course... you might have already read it. ; > Good Luck . Hope this helps. Mari / Bridgette On 10/8/05, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. > > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as the surcotte. > > Anyone ever looked into this? They had to have been sewn on somehow, or else how would you prevent them from sliding down the arm? > > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. > > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the construction. From what I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:08:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98C8b0D020159 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:08:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98C87qR088817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C87os046361; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C84Tx046308 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m21so176798qbe for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EEgzJteiE5pXCSmu1F53iPpLzcDsTQCfTrMCgfw8yhOnD5zgCEWeSH3hREtxIB6WXvuSH6lH2504jf2r8kp2nvdkPn3ZiVRBB/fiVcVUmoMGOcU/+xzsQOTKUVwj84D1uhOjtzOsyAsB9wcUDvBf1cV8d1/I7eWHUSLiX/CJwGo= Received: by 10.64.152.18 with SMTP id z18mr1349553qbd; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510080507o516dd043mb7bd59f482614996@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:07:59 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... In-Reply-To: <1dc.4697921b.30783fd0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1dc.4697921b.30783fd0@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j98C84Tx046308 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Kimberley. :> Mari / Bridgette On 10/7/05, Chindora@aol.com wrote: > It is awesome! You are doing a fabulous job. > > :) > ~Kimberley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98CZ4o0021777 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98CYKCH090400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98CYIhM055916; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98CYExJ055888 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sapphireandsage@neo.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpe-65-25-51-114.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.51.114]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j98CYBYF027300 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c5cc04$fb9e7ad0$0200a8c0@lolizerg> From: "Sapphire And Sage" To: References: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sunny! :) I'm in Wadsworth, which is 30 minutes South of Cleveland, just East of Rt. 71. Which part of Cleveland are you moving to? Hope you're ready for the snow! :) ~Rhonda Sapphire & Sage - Renaissance Jewelry & Accessories ((¸¸.·' ...·' -:¦:- www.sapphireandsage.com ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I > was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 10:38:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98EcLae023784 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:38:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98Ebh7A099923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98Ebars005397; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98EbWls005367 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-2-146.s654.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) ([66.44.2.146]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2005 10:37:30 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,189,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="95876515:sNHT32777752" Message-ID: <4347D9A6.1020404@erols.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:37:26 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? > Cheers! But if you mean Cleveland Ohio, then you might also like to visit the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Beside the music and artist exhibits they have an entire hall dedicated to the customs the bands and artists wore on and off stage. Historical if you consider the 60's - 90's historical. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 11:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98FtbNJ025532 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98FsnYE008895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98FshVE041151; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98FsakY041085 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28609 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:18:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were > made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work something out. > A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied > above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and evidence to the article): -- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly *not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. -- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down > version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as > the surcotte. This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of things, including hood tails. > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the > construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the > construction. There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and (again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a > cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what > I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. For the long version, I refer you to the article. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 12:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98Gwnkt026543 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98GwHKi015478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98GwDHa069811; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98GwATQ069774 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EA6C17E08 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm sleeve. Role once leaving the lining exposed? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 13:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98HTqX2026968 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98HTQMf018663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HTPuB084576; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HTLrM084510 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1e.4f5dc73f (3948) for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.4f5dc73f.30795be6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 10:37:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, basyefelton@floodcity.net writes: first of all, what is a TOC seamstress? ************************* TOC = turn of the century. In this case, the 19th into the 20th century. then more importantly, was the seam binding sewed to the scallops in scallops or was it straight following where the seam was or would be? The magenta seam binding was very much like commercial seam binding you'd find today, a narrow tape. It's supple enough to curve around the scallops and this is what it did. Also the method for sewing the bones in was this: The casings were sewn down, not the bone [duh!] which was real whalebone. You always have the needle pointing in the opposite direction from the direction the sewing is going. In this case start at the top of the boning casing on the left edge and, with the needle pointing up, take a stitch through it and the seam allowance. Now cross over the bone to the other [right] edge and , again, needle pointing up, take a...oh 1/8"+ stitch...about 3/4" down. Then cross over to the left 3/4" down and take a stitch...then right...left...right...until you reach the end of the casing. This is a great way to add boning to an already made up bodice. Doing it in magenta thread I've seen in more than a couple of bodices. But I must say getting a needle through modern commercial boning casing is a bitch! The bodices themselves were made of chocolate brown silk and trimmed with the same brown, cream and red silk brocade in a kind of interlocking geometric pattern. One had 3/4 length kinda full sleeves with elaborate cuffs, and the other bishop sleeves. Buttons down the CF and high necks. Both bodices stopped at the waist with tucked sashes attached. The sashes and the way the brocade was used around the yolk area, down the front and on the sleeves was different on each one. Obviously for the same, now lost, skirt. I saw these in a costume stock in St. Louis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 18:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98MVqX4031548 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98MVOUR041346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98MVGs0006991; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HlC4h092870 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29438 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:11:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:11:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, otsisto wrote: > Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually > not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower > bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm > sleeve. Opening a long sleeve halfway up is one of several ways to achieve a hanging-flap extension on a short sleeve, and you see variations on this in the early 15th c. That technique is easy to formalize into a squared-off pendant; there are examples of that style in Franco-Flemish mss of about 1415-1440, including the Tres Riches Heures and the various illustrated Bocaccio manuscripts. However, the short-sleeve extensions you see most often in early-to-mid 14th c. art seem to have developed not directly from opening a long sleeve, but from a different direction. Coming into the century, you start with overgown sleeves that are slightly shorter and wider than the tight undergown sleeves. Over time, you can see the overgown sleeve shorten further; only then does it develop a hanging point off the bottom (probably originally as an artifact of the rectalinear cutting method). Then the piont lengthens into a pendant, growing longer over time into its own design element. The fur lining is visible on the inside of the hanging bit. The result is a half-length sleeve (to the bend of the elbow) with a narrow hanging piece that is a continuation of the sleeve along the back, but shows a fur surface from the front view (the exposed lining) It's important to note that other things were happening with the construction of long (undergown) sleeves in this period, specifically the development of the set-in sleeve in the 1330s, which enabled the rotation of the sleeve seam from underneath to the outside, and then the fitting of the long sleeves all the way up (often with buttons) instead of just at the lower forearm. So the "opened up long sleeve" you describe could probably not have occurred during the earlier part of the development in this century, when the typical construction method was a gusseted sleeve with a seam along the bottom. This had all changed by the early 1400s. > Role once leaving the lining exposed? I can't recall seeing the rolling done on long sleeves that have been opened halfway up (that would be early 1400s, and tippets were outdated by then). However, going back to the period of 1350-1380, in which tippets developed from pendent sleeves: Once you have the fur-lined pendent sleeve, it's a reasonable thing to flip the bottom of the sleeve back to form a cuff, showing off the fur lining. This casual alteration leaves the pendant hanging a bit awkwardly and it would have been hard to maintain, but the visual impact is distinct -- a fur band around the middle of the upper arm (not down near the elbow) and a fur hanging piece. This is what I think led to the formalization of the fur band-and-streamer style, which would have been cut and sewn in that shape. --Robin sleeve addict _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 19:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98NvpDq000614 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98NvRUd049005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98NvOqf040650; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98NvFCs040583; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d110.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.111]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j98NvBDf026144; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:58:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <434824DC.27048.30FF850B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! I'm in Canton, 60 miles south. Cleveland is in the Barony of the Cleftlands - they are big & quite active. Huge public library system, one of the best museums in the country, universities all over the place - LOTS of research opportunities! Maria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 23:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j993bBND004883 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j993ahde068704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993aakQ026303; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993aX1j026228 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IO200MWHQ0QWV50@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:36:17 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin-- How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? Dame Catriona MacDuff / Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were > made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work something out. > A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied > above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and evidence to the article): -- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly *not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. -- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down > version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as > the surcotte. This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of things, including hood tails. > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the > construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the > construction. There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and (again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a > cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what > I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. For the long version, I refer you to the article. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 23:58:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j993w3R3006006 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j993vk3K069851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993vjm9033071; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993vgWa033038 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01178 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? It's an annual journal published in book form. It's assumed that most subscribers will be libraries that will want to assemble a complete set, though I suppose that there would be some way for individuals to subscribe as well. Most people, though, will want to buy individual volumes based on their interest in specific papers included. The papers in each volume vary greatly by topic, period, and discipline. It's our goal to have a broad range in each volume, representing early medieval up through early modern (that's the preferred term now for Elizabethan ;-) ), and a variety of approaches: art, literature, documentary studies, archaeology, trade/economics, and experimental reconstruction. The papers are peer-reviewed and academic in nature, not focused on the how-tos of costuming, though we believe that costumers and re-enactors who are interested in the historic aspects of their work will find many of the papers of use. (I do encourage people to think of the footnotes as good starting points for sources for further research in each of the topics addressed; even if the focus of a particular paper is highly specific, the footnotes will likely provide a far broader introduction to the scholarly literature on that topic.) You can see contents for Volume 1 here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Volume 2 is here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Depending on when you order, you can sometimes find good prices at Amazon or B&N. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 00:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j994A2ap007022 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9949jRI070665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9949iKH037726; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9949eQJ037677 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IO200470RJUX100@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:09:21 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I'll check it out. Catriona/Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? It's an annual journal published in book form. It's assumed that most subscribers will be libraries that will want to assemble a complete set, though I suppose that there would be some way for individuals to subscribe as well. Most people, though, will want to buy individual volumes based on their interest in specific papers included. The papers in each volume vary greatly by topic, period, and discipline. It's our goal to have a broad range in each volume, representing early medieval up through early modern (that's the preferred term now for Elizabethan ;-) ), and a variety of approaches: art, literature, documentary studies, archaeology, trade/economics, and experimental reconstruction. The papers are peer-reviewed and academic in nature, not focused on the how-tos of costuming, though we believe that costumers and re-enactors who are interested in the historic aspects of their work will find many of the papers of use. (I do encourage people to think of the footnotes as good starting points for sources for further research in each of the topics addressed; even if the focus of a particular paper is highly specific, the footnotes will likely provide a far broader introduction to the scholarly literature on that topic.) You can see contents for Volume 1 here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Volume 2 is here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Depending on when you order, you can sometimes find good prices at Amazon or B&N. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 06:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99A5Ml0025582 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99A4rDp095095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99A4lfc058815; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99A4gCP058770 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-7-230.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.7.230]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2005 18:04:35 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <4348ED13.5060702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:12:35 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you read about tippets at http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Monthly%20QA%20Pages/Tippets.htm ? Cheers, Aylwen ------------------------------------------------- http://www.regencyreproductions.com monica spence wrote: >Hi Robin-- > >How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? > >Dame Catriona MacDuff / Monica Spence > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Robin Netherton >Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:18 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > > >On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > > > >>I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were >>made. >> >> > >As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially >everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first >volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale >Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or >ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work >something out. > > > >>A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied >>above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. >> >> > >Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. > >The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and >evidence to the article): > >-- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging >streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly >*not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on >short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. > >-- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were >linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence >that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of >the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > > > >>Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down >>version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as >>the surcotte. >> >> > >This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings >from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources >shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the >band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. > >Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different >types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various >terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though >I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and >there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) >terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of >things, including hood tails. > > > >>Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the >>construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the >>construction. >> >> > >There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual >sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and >(again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, >wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to >as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > > > >> I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a >>cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what >>I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. >> >> > >It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have >seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized >version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short >sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately >preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. > >For the long version, I refer you to the article. > >--Robin > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 08:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99CXeqM032212 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99CXIMs005814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99CXC1H013688; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99CX8cN013635 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADFD01E4; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:33:01 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Oct 05 12:32:57 -0000 Message-ID: <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660510071411u4ab3448as50d56471609a6daf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:36:29 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This project looks like it will keep you out of mischief! In real size, how big are these pieces to be; or are the pics real size? You speak of sleeves and chemise: will this piece show outside or will it remain only for interior beauty? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "HCostume" ; "Brenda / Filipia" Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... > Hi all... working late and finally have a chance to update things... so > just in case anyone is interested in the state of the Punto Tagliato > Lace Commission... > > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ms154/LaceComm/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 09:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99DKgWj000394 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99DKLX9015368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99DKIHG029969; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99DKExW029933 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05039 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:44:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <4348ED13.5060702@earthlydelights.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, A & J Garden wrote: > Have you read about tippets at > http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Monthly%20QA%20Pages/Tippets.htm ? :-) Different period, completely different clothing item from the 14th c. detail the original poster asked about. However, the fact that the word "tippet" was used around 1800 for a fur accessory that had long hanging tails may suggest that the word retained a "fur" connection, adding slightly to the evidence that the word had been associated with a hanging fur item 400 years earlier. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 13:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99HSNN2004393 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99HRkRi042064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99HRfpc030116; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99HRc22030047 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so77472qbq for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d6fE/kYnEA54744Xxw8CgNDxmWOdksg7DkqM3FUJ5gp4TtkdqsYSpUuaUsvOT2Fg6Qoj1U2IrOueOiz1phDg0BmKBZwx04r3/AsabC8+SSWFworNAjalKxyv2Luru7Jf+wcRAMazPgOLPOrXT/8uj3mfINJVP4ibH3tAirv3mzY= Received: by 10.64.152.9 with SMTP id z9mr2669034qbd; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510091027y69d3c145y6a318764519e57c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:27:32 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... In-Reply-To: <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660510071411u4ab3448as50d56471609a6daf@mail.gmail.com> <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j99HRc22030047 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey there... the squares which hold the Punto Tagliato work are all near to 4.5 inches in length and each little square is approximately 1/4 inch by 1/4 inch. These panels of lace will decorate the exterior of each sleeve, and only be seen if peeking through an over layer, or when the lady removes her outer sleeves. ;> So pretty much - I suspect the full scope of the sleeves won't be seen once the project is finished. Mari / Bridgette On 10/9/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > This project looks like it will keep you out of mischief! In real size, how > big are these pieces to be; or are the pics real size? You speak of sleeves > and chemise: will this piece show outside or will it remain only for > interior beauty? > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Stewart" > To: "HCostume" ; "Brenda / Filipia" > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... > > > > Hi all... working late and finally have a chance to update things... so > > just in case anyone is interested in the state of the Punto Tagliato > > Lace Commission... > > > > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ms154/LaceComm/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 20:52:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A0qLwO010687 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A0pkCa076783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A0pbR3016173; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A0pWLf016117 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89233CEB1 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:52:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's dress from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can get) I'm looking for a basic diagram of something like this: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm or this: (woman in lower right corner) http://www.englishcountrydancing.org/17001705.jpg I specifically need this decade, and unfortunately Patterns of Fashion doesn't have a dress of this cut. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A22u08011505 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A22HMW085542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A22AwM045291; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A226V8045260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.40] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9A2230g013493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:01:29 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not online, unfortunately, but here are two possibilities in book form: Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800" has a detailed pattern, description, and sewing guide to the mantua. Hill and Bucknell's "The Evolution of Fashion" also makes the attempt. Also, here's a modern attempt at same: http://www.cdny.org/christine.html - Hope Dawn wrote: > Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's dress > from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can get) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2Nr1i011741 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:23:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2NZ2L087362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NVOQ054974; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NRkO054938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.241] (pool180-241.patriot.net [209.249.180.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9A2N6OE016688 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:23:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:21:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's >dress from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can >get) > >I'm looking for a basic diagram of something like this: > >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm Someone diagrammed this gown! She was a curator at the Met at the time, but was at another museum at the time of the presentation. At the Costume Society of America meeting held in Williamsburg (1999?) it was one of the presentations. The curator was able to figure out the exact layout of the gown on the yardage because of the large size motifs of the bizarre silk. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I'm trying to remember if the layout was given on a handout, or does anyone remember the name of the lady who did the research? That might help Dawn track down the diagram. I do remember that it was mostly straight cuts, not a lot of curves, and no significant wasted fabric. You probably know this already, but wear it over stays! Early 18thC stays are a lot straighter than the 3rd & 4th quarters. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:24:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2O1hU011744 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2Nalo087365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NZId055002; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NW5F054975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-227.sonic.net [209.148.113.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NUbH014588 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:23:30 -0700 Message-ID: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:23:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The first edition has diagrams of 43 garments that were replaced by text on 20th-century clothing in the second edition. I'm going from memory, but I think the mantua Payne took a pattern from is in the Metropolitan Museum. The photos at the bottom of the page might be from a Met exhibit catalog or website. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com > Not online, unfortunately, but here are two possibilities in book form: > Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800" has > a detailed pattern, description, and sewing guide to the mantua. Hill > and Bucknell's "The Evolution of Fashion" also makes the attempt. > > Also, here's a modern attempt at same: > http://www.cdny.org/christine.html > > - Hope > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2Zu1x011888 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2ZYVj088248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ZVHj059933; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ZSOC059877 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so892574wri for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EFWqxoOQoJ/vDWJW48YY/Ht/sk9Z3+C+eEjQT0q9Jbmn7xtzPljcWaeHDOg6C9mU1aDlFFfO91DBdMTPLt9xLPuNE8Kp5S90ws4dt4HbUv1tNqtVEqF9efAmw7HYKNU4+YO7OLWUOmPLh61WVp/re3FBHW+b5YZtFpAqOJr/5Eg= Received: by 10.54.149.8 with SMTP id w8mr3089505wrd; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:35:23 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9A2Zu1x011888 Status: RO I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the gown there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts section and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book and thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a difference? Bice On 10/9/05, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the > first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient > Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The first edition has diagrams of > 43 garments that were replaced by text on 20th-century clothing in the > second edition. I'm going from memory, but I think the mantua Payne > took a pattern from is in the Metropolitan Museum. The photos at the > bottom of the page might be from a Met exhibit catalog or website. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2f4Cq011940 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2eiOp088736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ehab062426; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2een0062335 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353473CEAF for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:40:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4349D4C6.1070705@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:41:10 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the > first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient > Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The one in Payne is dated 1690, but you're right, it's cut the same. Thanks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 23:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A3B0PN012333 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A3AUMv091028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3ASMa074730; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3ANAB074675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EOo38-0001CQ-Bi; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the gown > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts section > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book and > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > difference? > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 23:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A3NtNi012482 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:23:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A3NWdb092182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3NVr5079817; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3NTAY079765 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so895058wri for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UlgUEsSKRaZQuXJBG9LWXRF7BucgNqjNy2We/LXwz1uugHKSfzGKHQxCCZBEvlJOXHlN0BsIrmC98+eB7TgIeFA8sd5OG1gAa0oPD5l0t0oxYwAOa2CxPZKG2m/+sgtYtAcdr+rKjjUnmJ8PvR1gjcSVtJGrjX7qXYiMv7DwOSU= Received: by 10.54.86.1 with SMTP id j1mr3092702wrb; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:23:23 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9A3NtNi012482 Status: RO I didn't go that far back I was looking at 18th century. I did see the dress on page 413 figure 434 and thought at fast glance that was it. But as it's at the Copenhagen Museum that is unlikely. On 10/9/05, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > > > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the > gown > > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts > section > > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book > and > > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > > difference? > > > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 06:36:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AAaou8014182 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:36:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AAaFDw036914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AAa9vh039692; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AAa3Zv039659 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9AAZqri020927 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:35:52 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.75.254] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-75-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.254]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AAZC9j026595 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:22:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. I had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AB0RfS015936 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AB09rC038434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AB07sS048209; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AB03Nq048156 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.201]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8319147FECF for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:00:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have not Blanche Paynes book, but i think i must have it, is it still available? If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of it in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford anything else at that time. The danish mantua dates from 1695 - 1709 (because that timeperiod, the lady who owned it was married. It is made of a french silk patterned with large scale scrolls of leaves and flowers, heavily with goldthread and emerald green bottom. Has a large train and sleave cuffs are buttoned with two buttons. Sleaves have many layed down pleats wich so often is seen in Watteaus paintings. Cuffs are pleated also a la raquette. The fronts are pleated to the waist and the overskirt is lifted up in the sides by cord and button back in the bodice. The back of the bodice is so beatifull with deep pleats. If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the pleats when they drew the curve. This dress is the eldest whole garment in Denmark. It was exhibited last year on the national museum where they had an exhibition about the danish manorhouses. It also is very heavy because of the gold threads. In the underskirt it has pockets - yes real folded pockets in the side seams. It is my favourite museum dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua I didn't go that far back I was looking at 18th century. I did see the dress on page 413 figure 434 and thought at fast glance that was it. But as it's at the Copenhagen Museum that is unlikely. On 10/9/05, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > > > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the > gown > > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts > section > > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book > and > > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > > difference? > > > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABCeP0016036 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ABCL2d039247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABCJtJ052427; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABCFuG052340 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010111210.GIVG1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.163.54]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010111210.EOTC2213.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] (really [219.89.163.54]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051010111210.SUPS28588.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:07 +1300 Message-ID: <009a01c5cd8b$73991e50$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:06 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. <> The pattern at the back is for the other Met mantua: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm There is supposed to also be a cutting diagram for this item in Cut of Women's Dress. I have wanted to get my hands on it to compare. Arnold has a pattern for a 1708-09 mantua from Clive House Museum, pages 70-71 of Patterns of Fashion 1. There is a wrapping gown that was supposed to be a reassembled mantua in there too. There is an absolutely delightful Mantua fromt he very early 18thC in a small out of print book. There is a cutting diagram for it too, however the library copy I had did not have it, lost by some student or other. Sigh. I don't think the pattern was there even when I went to the University! michaela de bruce with enough green velveteen to make mantua for many people, but is settling on making just one;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABrBoe016503 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ABql9b042361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABqiVP069666; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABqerP069621 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010115234.ZDDL10208.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:34 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010115234.VPQN1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:34 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:33 +1300 Message-ID: <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net><4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:33 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of it > in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" > I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford > anything else at that time. > If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about > the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the > pleats when they drew the curve. I for one would dearly love to see the pattern, as I've been trying to compare the various cutting techniques used in the mantua from this time. I'm a little perplexed about the wool mantua pattern actually as it suggests it is cut witha rounded shape at the side. I'd like to compare the Payne diagram to the Waugh pattern (Cut of Women's Clothes) to see if they agree on this matter. If I could get my sticky paws on the English mantua from that wee book as well....... michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 08:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ACYgGR017025 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ACYLod046117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ACYJae087462; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ACYFSN087372 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34311 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 12:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.119.230 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 12:34:09 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:32:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9ACYFSN087372 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:52 10/10/2005, you wrote: > > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of >it > > in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" > > I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford > > anything else at that time. > > > If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about > > the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the > > pleats when they drew the curve. > >I for one would dearly love to see the pattern, as I've been trying to >compare the various cutting techniques used in the mantua from this time. >I'm a little perplexed about the wool mantua pattern actually as it suggests >it is cut witha rounded shape at the side. I'd like to compare the Payne >diagram to the Waugh pattern (Cut of Women's Clothes) to see if they agree >on this matter. > >If I could get my sticky paws on the English mantua from that wee book as >well....... The English mantua you refer to is in a book called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 09:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AD8M5b017425 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AD7hYD048946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AD7cHw002737; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AD7Ygv002667 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9AD7Sm01859.; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:07 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AD8M5b017425 Status: RO Correction - "Bleak House" doesn't start this week after all. There was a feature in "Radio Times", but it looks as though the actual first episode will not be shown until later in the month. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 09:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ADIvqi017538 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ADIJk5050739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ADIHBx009613; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ADIEpd009594 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m137.in-tch.com [216.166.191.137]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9ADBKA07083 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've run into something similar, recently, with a current re-using of the word "wimple" to describe a knitted thing ranging from a simple, oversized tube that functions a bit like the turtlenecked part on a turtleneck sweater (except that you can pull it up over your head, leaving your face exposed, for warmth), or a hooded cowl, built similarly to a medieval hood with cowl (although missing the liripipe). It always causes this momentary "huh?" with me, because I'm most familiar with the word as used to refer to the woven/linen medieval women's item frequently paired with a veil. ;o) --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. > > I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. I > had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period > tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 12:15:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AGFpKi020612 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AGFJAq074581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AGFDAB026391; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AGF8VW026254 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5763CEB7 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:14:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434A93AD.5070709@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:15:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have not Blanche Paynes book, but i think i must have it, is it still > available? It is out of print and has been for a very long time (the 1st edition with diagrams) but you can find used copies online if you search on the title. > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of > it in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" ... > This dress is the eldest whole garment in Denmark. It was exhibited last > year on the national museum where they had an exhibition about the > danish manorhouses. It also is very heavy because of the gold threads. > In the underskirt it has pockets - yes real folded pockets in the side > seams. It is my favourite museum dress. > I would love to see any pictures of the original or your reproduction, or any diagrams you might have. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 13:14:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AHEFav021476 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AHDl8h087700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHDhN4073265; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHDV71073023 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.78.7d3d7891 (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/9/2005 8:52:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I specifically need this decade, and unfortunately Patterns of Fashion doesn't have a dress of this cut. But it DOES! Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 13:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AHeImc021883 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AHdj07091505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHdX7T094801; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHdNB0094558 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848413CEB1 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:39:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434AA76F.5070505@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:39:59 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > But it DOES! > > Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. Ah, thanks. Arnold was the first place I checked. Sigh, why did it have to be stuck in the back instead of in chronological order like every other garment in the book. :/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 14:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AI2Jhu022230 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AI1R8s094852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI1O8A012734; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI0vBn012392 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.dd.2f7dde83 (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Sigh, why did it have to be stuck in the back instead of in chronological order like every other garment in the book. :/ ***************** That sneaky Janet! Actually I think it's part of an appendix. You'll notice the corrections for the quilted 1745-60 outfit there too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:24:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJOH9O023647 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJIkS3005527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJIc0e073345; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJIX2G073250 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EP3AN-000E4M-8H for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:18:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:16:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Tippets / wimples References: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it for the specific item covering the neck, worn with a separate veil. Someone asked for instructions for one, and got instructions for the other, which made no sense to them at all! Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >I've run into something similar, recently, with a current re-using of the >word "wimple" to describe a knitted thing ranging from a simple, oversized >tube that functions a bit like the turtlenecked part on a turtleneck sweater >(except that you can pull it up over your head, leaving your face exposed, >for warmth), or a hooded cowl, built similarly to a medieval hood with cowl >(although missing the liripipe). It always causes this momentary "huh?" >with me, because I'm most familiar with the word as used to refer to the >woven/linen medieval women's item frequently paired with a veil. ;o) >--sue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:22 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > >> >> >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. >> >> I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. >I >> had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period >> tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> //// \\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> ((( <> )))) >> ) (((((( >> /----\ /---\)) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:35:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJZr4X023894 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJZOYt007682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJZI6U086361; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJZA3R086187 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17395 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:59:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets / wimples In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Jean Waddie wrote: > I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval > (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a > single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and > shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it for the specific item > covering the neck, worn with a separate veil. Someone asked for > instructions for one, and got instructions for the other, which made > no sense to them at all! I bumped into this very difference when editing an article by my colleague, Gale Owen-Crocker, who works on Anglo-Saxon dress. My experience is mostly in 14th c. We used the word differently, just as you descibed, and went round and round for a while till we sorted it out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:48:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJmdeY024171 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJmDn4009410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJmCVc096796; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI7sEZ017769 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.20.4f000fde (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20.4f000fde.307c07ed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. Ah, thanks. Arnold was the first place I checked I must add, that it is [painfully] obvious from her pattern this gown was draped on a body or mannequin. No one would flat pattern anything and come up with such a pattern. If you can find the Jean Hunnisett book, she has refined the basics of the draped pattern to a very managable flat pattern [and you still have to drape a lot]. It may not be accurate but....even if you go with the totally draped route...her ideas and directions are very informative and helpful. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:54:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJseJD024290 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJsONe010215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJsLdX001808; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.76.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJsFmv001657 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from 204.127.205.142 (smailcenter68.comcast.net[204.127.205.168]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20051010195410011009g4iue>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:10 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.24] by 204.127.205.142; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:08 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:08 +0000 Message-Id: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO www.trulyvictorian.com You'll have to order from their site but I think teir victorian patterns are the most beautiful and easy to use out there. Traci -------------- Original message -------------- > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be > on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the > mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project > like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:00:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK0hf5024396 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:00:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK08ha011086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK06Pn006581; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9AK00cn006457 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15337 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 19:59:03 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:59:03 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A090103070402 07040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen > to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. > Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose > to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. It depends on the true time frame...."Victorian" covers around 50 years of fashion. For later 1870's and later, Truly Victorian has nice patterns that I hear are good. For 1850's & 1860's there are a few out there but I don't know which ones are good. One of the major pattern companies has a good historical pattern for 1850's by Martha McCain. There are also patterns for the corset and petticoats. Try the reviews on this website: http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/index.html These are reviews of different patterns by people in my local Costumer's Guild. They might give you some good insight.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK2I7N024429 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK1sLp011276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK1qwY008028; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK1mao007872 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so979303wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K4EokS0J73toq8C2tW9FTg/qbXkN7kUzzYkBLtQTGV8nhCZdhR0NUSLjuTw9Tfn93zInYXfcKs40PLcfbTAgX7QIOYPNH8StXiqU1cSKhMRp+1C5FOvwZjd6TJCRAUUH3CaoLWIZmKVpgdFtqRdBBzFhAS8AZjKH2bUbbeZoFWs= Received: by 10.54.157.12 with SMTP id f12mr3069182wre; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:01:42 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AK2I7N024429 Status: RO Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net or pastpatterns.com I also have had super ease with lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. bice > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to > be > > on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all > of the > > mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a > project > > like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK2gkw024436 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJjKxJ008968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJjIgw094351; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJjCTB094197 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter73.comcast.net[204.127.197.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005101019450601300jpb8he>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:06 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:05 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:05 +0000 Message-Id: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings everyone, I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK5aEt024507 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK5DrC011623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK5BK9010544; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK54hY010444 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17748 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKCYaa024598 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKCErc012568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKC9JV016026; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKC3DF015893 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DE3CEB1 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:11:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434ACB3A.8070309@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:12:42 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > That would depend on which part of the "Victorian" period she wanted to represent. 1837-1901 is a BIG chunk of time and fashion. :) Simplicity generally covers the American Civil War years well. 1861-65. I have used the men's patterns and found them to be very detailed, and quite a bit of work. They also have two later dresses 1870-1880 ish, and an earlier pattern for 'Dickens carolers' (~1840) which are more 'costume' than reproduction. McCall's has a couple Civil War style ball gowns. Butterick's got a big hoop-skirt dress and a slimmer 1870ish dress. Again, these are more 'costume' patterns than clothing reproductions, but they could work well for stage without being too much fuss. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:21:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKLGEN024709 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKJDmE013235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJAKd021575; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJ48W021478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-90.sonic.net [209.148.114.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJ2Ph006914 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: <434ACCB7.2060501@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Past Patterns are very good, their URL is www.pastpatterns.com. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Victorian and Edwardian Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > >Roscelin >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:28:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKS6jM024862 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:28:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKR4ax014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKR21X027690; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKQtKT027525 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928563CEB7 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:26:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434ACEB6.4070308@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:27:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] KWCS report? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it > went? I had fun. I thought it was worth the entrance fee (and the two hour drive) , and I learned something in every class. There was a bit of a crush at registration, and somehow I missed the costume show after lunch (they started on time, who expected that?) I thought there was a good selection of vendors, a lot better quality merchandise than I recall seeing at any SCA event from back when I was playing regularly. Let's see, I took a men's medieval wear class and Kass McGann's Irish class Saturday, missed Marc Carlson's shoe class as a result :(. Sat in a good class on early Spanish men's wear, and one on Russian women's clothing and then there was the long drive home. Sunday it was the Historic Replicas class, and somehow I missed the German clothing class after that, and went to another early Spanish one. The pleatwork embroidery lecture that afternoon was pretty well researched, I thought, some real interesting material. The last two hours were kind of a bust, I didn't think much of either class, so I won't mention what they were. Likely the teachers were as tired as I was. I bought some buttons and some silk for the stash. Anyone know where next years event is going to be? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:29:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKToSa024900 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTKDW014661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTIBc029681; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTDtM029587 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0BC17EB2 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Address correction - http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ and thanks for the sites Bice De -----Original Message----- Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net or pastpatterns.com I also have had super ease with lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:29:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKTwLp024906 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:29:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTOAV014684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTNTp029747; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTIOX029680 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28140 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:17 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Thread-Index: AcXN1wviMwr+Eg3mRM61GdsriM14VAAAPG8g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9AKTIOX029680 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What part of the Victorian era is she representing? McCalls and Butterick carry patterns that have the general line and pretty modern cut if she is just after the look, especially the 1840's-60's "Dickens' Christmas Carol" If she wants 1850's-1865 and to be authentic in cut, go for the Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity that also include chemise, petticoat and hoopskirt patterns. Certainly not simple, but if she is also interested in reinacting or just a history buff, it might be worth the work. All three companies carry 1870-ish bustle back dress patterns. Butterick also has some Belle Epoque 1890-1905 pretty authentic-looking patterns in their "Making History series. Also, she'll want to fit in with the rest of the cast, unless she is doing a solo turn, so what is everyone wearing? Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > That would depend on which part of the "Victorian" period she wanted to represent. 1837-1901 is a BIG chunk of time and fashion. :) Simplicity generally covers the American Civil War years well. 1861-65. I have used the men's patterns and found them to be very detailed, and quite a bit of work. They also have two later dresses 1870-1880 ish, and an earlier pattern for 'Dickens carolers' (~1840) which are more 'costume' than reproduction. McCall's has a couple Civil War style ball gowns. Butterick's got a big hoop-skirt dress and a slimmer 1870ish dress. Again, these are more 'costume' patterns than clothing reproductions, but they could work well for stage without being too much fuss. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:30:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKUIIS024917 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:30:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTtYY014756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTrNm030117; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTnkV030057 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 28F501BD540; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.150.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.150]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 430F91BDA29 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023701c5cdd6$edab7760$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:09:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have heard nothing but good stuff about their patterns--check reviews here: http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/tv.htm -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: > www.trulyvictorian.com > You'll have to order from their site but I think teir victorian patterns > are the most beautiful and easy to use out there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKk398025226 for ; 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Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:45:16 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AKk398025226 Status: RO No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian someplace if anyone wants them. Bice On 10/10/05, otsisto wrote: > > Address correction - > http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ > and thanks for the sites Bice > De > > -----Original Message----- > Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of > Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more > accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net < > http://trulyvictorian.net> or > pastpatterns.com I > also have had super ease with > lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. > > bice > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:52:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKqEoo025382 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKpuVn017630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKprbZ048007; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKpmtB047839 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so856769wxd for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BrQK91iqQP94xF6SaPfYcav0bw0BaCkxiQ4EyDeC8E6acMlDrdI5KewKxgbxp07yPaD+TWJeoIjlrdIGQfOb2ZbsNnqBXeCGTdgGRoBwfAUs1W4GSN/fdoZKQtnNRZ7SBKze4mN7TQuBCzgq1CZseo4n5JIKaosg4qfQo9ZQHr4= Received: by 10.70.117.1 with SMTP id p1mr3402150wxc; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9AKpmtB047839 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bice, it's always good to have options. Please post if you would. Thanks, LynnD On 10/10/05, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian someplace > if anyone wants them. > Bice > > On 10/10/05, otsisto wrote: > > > > Address correction - > > http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ > > and thanks for the sites Bice > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of > > Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more > > accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net < > > http://trulyvictorian.net> or > > pastpatterns.com I > > also have had super ease with > > lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. > > > > bice > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 17:05:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AL5GNe025562 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AL4p4d019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AL4jch058058; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AL4fvZ057903 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so986479wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MRzN96pj9uTmUV0nci1c3knny76iPCFwHrh+PEeXeueOfvcMo35FFM5OnMHExq5Lf4vt7QOcvVuE9g6NKBpwjmUkuuu/lfljayYz7JPDLz6V8pPs8KhVvEo2K4iAcTpnkqB4VmyeWs2Cv5APSa/W3q8IGf8md3b3a4AIxeafHMg= Received: by 10.54.148.15 with SMTP id v15mr497621wrd; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101404ia4a1cecl777a457b5dcb926d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:04:36 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AL5GNe025562 Status: RO I have a links page for my own use but some of the links on it are not all too appropriate. So let me make up a new page that is G rated. Bice On 10/10/05, Lynn Downward wrote: > > Bice, it's always good to have options. Please post if you would. > > Thanks, > LynnD > > On 10/10/05, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian > someplace > > if anyone wants them. > > Bice > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 17:21:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ALLION025763 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ALKuGR021630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ALKnfw070153; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ALKkjK070065 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so988405wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GKBIJLnqyn1YoP2sH2cBw5+51eitlenuR2Wp+yEEkfp0Cf9vuGwmTpe0Gn/+0xK1/xO1WFVfH5TXV6LK8ZdhMnF8mEfCcMJ1Rvv3VMpKHuwlhKFyxLMq9eFwb5l7gbZPZh20ttCeiQUWJvjUm4IFIdunxUNMqnmyxbgp3hd4+PI= Received: by 10.54.139.13 with SMTP id m13mr3349168wrd; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101420y40ca85edg732eb04da9324b24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:20:41 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bice's links X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9ALLION025763 Status: RO I made the page and hopefully there are some peole haven't seen. They are fairly well organized although this is a bare basics page. If I get time I'll arrange it a bit better this week. http://snipurl.com/icz2 Bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 21:37:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B1b95w029212 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:37:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9B1ZtDZ057817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9B1ZhP4020134; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9B1Zdnb020062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B36E39016254 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:06:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:35:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510102135.28640.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 10 October 2005 4:04 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen > > to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. > > Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose > > to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > It depends on the true time frame...."Victorian" covers around 50 years of > fashion. For later 1870's and later, Truly Victorian has nice patterns > that I hear are good. Truly Victorian actually has a few patterns for 1850s and 1860s, though I admit the only ones I've tried are for the later years. If you're interested, go to www.trulyvictorian.com and check out their line--it's organized by time period. -- Cathy Raymond "As a general rule, if end users want to smash something repeatedly with a sledgehammer, that's a sign of bad UI."--Bram Cohen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 20:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C0q99L013844 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C0pfBo013855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C0pXgu011329; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C0pTnn011245 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012005123.TYBA2927.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:23 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012005122.WMXC5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:22 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.14]); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:25 +1300 Message-ID: <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:24 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The English mantua you refer to is in a book > called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise > Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. > Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the > mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date of the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube basically. The text I can make out says: "... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum." (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) "13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which filled the space in the front of the bodice." (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has a fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. I seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but there is no info on their site. regards, michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 21:37:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C1bTvv014393 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:37:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C1b8fN017496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1b6Rj032412; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1b3dC032358 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2A43CECC for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:37:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html Ooooh, more pictures, thank you! > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > think it is in the 2000 calendar. It is , I have just checked. Also the blue one from LA (?) is in the 1998 calendar. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 21:52:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C1qXoR014559 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C1q7bq018764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1q6WC039631; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1q2HQ039540 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012015155.JRED1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:55 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.163.54]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012015155.XCTJ2213.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:55 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051012015154.KSJI28588.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:54 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.14]); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:56 +1300 Message-ID: <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1><003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:56 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed > > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html > > Ooooh, more pictures, thank you! No worries:) I've been on a break from studying this style as I've been emersed in the start of the 20thC for a show I'm in and have been working on costumes from the same period. But I have been planning on making either a plain wool one (oooohhh my mauve wool flannel....) or one from my scads of green velveteen;) There are a few other items from the same time that I found but haven't put into my "memories" on my lj. > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > > think it is in the 2000 calendar. > > It is , I have just checked. Also the blue one from LA (?) is in the > 1998 calendar. Oooh, do you have any info on the mantua in the SQ&A calendar? I'd love to know more before bombarding museums with questions;) If you look in my memories section of my lj, you'll find a section for mantua and related dress of the time. http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=pinkdiamond michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 23:17:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C3H2dv015650 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C3GMaU026302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C3GKMK080022; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C3GHmD079979 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFA13CED0 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:16:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434C8023.9080400@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:16:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1><003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > > Oooh, do you have any info on the mantua in the SQ&A calendar? I'd love to > know more before bombarding museums with questions;) The 2000 calendar says it's in the ROM, Toronto: "Mantua, early 1700, English or Dutch. Silk damask woven with exotic foliate motif. Museum purchase." also: "The damask mantua is one of the handful extant, and is cut with the sleeves and gown in one piece. It employs the full width of the cloth, and is fitted with pleats and tucks over the shoulders and centre back. The long train is draped up at each side to reveal the reverse of the fabric. " Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 09:32:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CDWS45021838 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CDVslt090177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CDVp4a024706; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CDVllu024677 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.10]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BB6FD5EE011 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:31:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002701c5cf31$4e6b5010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net><4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela><6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:31:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Michaela I have the pattern cut for this mantua also if you are interrested. From the small catalogue womens fashion from 1600 1750. I baught this many years ago on Victoria & Albert, my very first visit to London. Let me know if i can help you with this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua >> The English mantua you refer to is in a book >> called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise >> Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. >> Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the >> mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as > opposed > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html > Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. > Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. > Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. > I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date > of > the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube > basically. > The text I can make out says: > "... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was > established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is > occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the > 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum." > (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) > "13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) > The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which > filled the space in the front of the bodice." > (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. > > I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has > a > fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. > > > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. > I > seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but > there is no info on their site. > > > regards, > michaela de bruce > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: > 11/10/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 12:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CGdVGH030448 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CGca5t023813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CGcSWF065078; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CFXrsH006483 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1aa.4089e102 (15700) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R35 (fwm-r35.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.139]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d54434d2cd43c7; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:41 -0400 From: tearoses@aol.com Message-Id: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.139) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.139 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin ========================================= I went with Dawn, and I had a blast. I got to do Marc Carlson's shoe demo, which was awesome. Not that I'll ever attempt to make a medieval shoe, mind you, but his class was great and the shoes he had as examples were beautiful. And now I know what grave wax is. :) I took Kass McGann's German class, which was very entertaining and informative. I'm a complete newbie to German clothes, so some of it was a little over my head, but it was worthwhile anyway. And I absolutely couldn't believe it when Dawn told me Kass had done all the cutwork on her costume by hand. Totally droolworthy. Later that afternoon I was in the other German class. I can't remember the instructor's name but she said she used to be a member of this list. She disagreed with some of Kass's conclusions, but she had several really cool books to look at and reconstructions of her version of the famous Cranach dress. And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 13:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CHHcCQ001525 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CHHALj034261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHH46s000794; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHGi9k000611 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so315951qbq for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B93F3m+56aJloT60jlDx6Bq9iI8QmgUM0iRrhdJA0RcSdUJhXigHORrUbPEyVmeyXl40sJKygWMZSufTvz0RFTZFXy6xpx6AFnUShlzcLBWhfnWK01lQsdkY0+nlXnxFpbgc0ASMdQh3qOEByaeyYXluVAN6hFla/R9EaGHeRf0= Received: by 10.64.149.2 with SMTP id w2mr517344qbd; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510121014t6a9f177wbab5aebe0b6d49dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:14:22 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9CHGi9k000611 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like it was well worth the trip. Thank you for sharing. If I may ask... would you also share the pleat work contact information... I don't want to swamp the poor lady ; > but I would love to see what she has found. Many thanks, Mari / Bridgette > > And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 14:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CIIh1U003230 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CIHgAd041966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CIHaiP048947; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.phx.gbl (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CIHMWv048751 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP04.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: <434D5345.7010105@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:41 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 18:17:15.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C9B4760:01C5CF59] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 15:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CJQHnc005316 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:26:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CJP3jD049515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJOuQw001023; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52202.mail.yahoo.com (web52202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9CJOrBg000899 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 59175 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2005 19:24:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Odg2aOXoRijXQEY0TqQ0Cvkq+Ntt+lZXA4Qt2obShl+V2qieU0lhHHVQkNeVoC6bTxCM+nKaTs61v3aGH1b7E6bApqzpDP3oFNpYGswiqDXij2G2DNQoO0IwZjwK3ZmTM7h+GPeR7ZUJiNeSwyVtHepX7GSZMqsHdc8+evHh900= ; Message-ID: <20051012192448.59173.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.116.66.83] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:48 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From everything I've read front loader use a lot less water. We are thinking of getting one so we can reduce our water bill. The one where I work appears to use less water. They do an excellent job of washing the clothes and have been around long enough that all the bugs are out of them. I want mine on a 6" stand though as I have trouble bending down that far all the time. Brin Kendall WickedFrau wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 15:38:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CJcZ2G005610 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:38:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CJc7SH050982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJc4IQ011157; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJbvvZ011026 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:37:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.60] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510121800.j9CI0ZN1035750@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:37:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 19:37:51.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EC39D80:01C5CF64] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I went and had a lot of fun. I have some pictures online at my blog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/marccarlson/ (under 11 October) -- I'll put some more up when I get the other rolls developed Friday. (And yes, I have a blog, I had to get the account - long story, and as long as I have it I might as well use it). I have now gotten to meet Kass face to face, which was nice since we've intermittantly corresponded for years (we'd been at MTA one year at the same time, but didn't know who the other was). There were some good classes, most of which I didn't take :) I was out taking pictures. My wife's been really excited by the tablet woven edging and has been whipping through things right and left. Well worth the trip. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:13:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKDuKo006324 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKDL9Z055006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKD6i2038791; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKD2ov038678 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([69.61.174.237]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20051012201256.LMYR5033.smtp3.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:56 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([69.61.174.237]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20051012201254.EHPF24344.gx6.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20051012161806.00b67310@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:19:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? In-Reply-To: <434824DC.27048.30FF850B@localhost> References: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6E3A6DC X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO well, I am in Cincinnati, the opposite corner of the state from Cleveland, but the Hungarian Heritage Museum downtown is worth a walk through. They have some excellent folk costumes on display. Jennifer At 07:58 PM 10/8/05 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! I'm in Canton, 60 miles south. Cleveland is in the Barony of >the Cleftlands - they are big & quite active. Huge public library >system, one of the best museums in the country, universities all over >the place - LOTS of research opportunities! > >Maria what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:25:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKPseo006615 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKPFDv056589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKPE6W048577; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9CKP93D048476 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 71063 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 20:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 20:25:03 -0000 Message-ID: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:59 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. liz young WickedFrau wrote: > Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is > about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more > water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one > for dying, but that will only last for so long. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKvxmQ007381 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKvS06060781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKvIbl074516; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKvB9M074367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9CKoijf029220 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:50:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <434D78A4.1010306@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:57:08 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? References: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using > Dylon machine dye from the UK. > Worked great. I've done it with regular Dylon dye; worked great. I put the dye & other additives in first, let it roll for a minute or two to mix, then put in the clothes. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 17:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CL7oHr007628 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CL7SrR062015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CL7Q4S082660; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CL7Mt1082601 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08170 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:07:21 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Thread-Index: AcXPWZHD+zg7SPycTCazp837RPwSyAAFVwqQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9CL7Mt1082601 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Start shopping now as washer will most likely die when you least expect it. Unless it is an old reliable thing and you have a relative, neighbor, connection that can fix it for much less than the cost of a new machine... Perhaps Consumer Reports has some online comparisons for washers for quality and reliability, but probably you will want to just go out and price compare. Of course, today's models all have efficiency tags--how much power/water used. My little top loader(18 lbs capacity) is 15 years old and I only do a few loads a week, but I got a great deal on it because it was a overmanufactured mustard yellow body made for the European market with American market insides. I didn't want to take a chance on a used washer. I haven't had a problem with it ... Yet. I do hope it lasts until the new landlord installs new pay washers and dryers . Colored washer and dryer sets are all the thing now, but you might be able to pick up a discontinued plain white model with a better quality for the same money. If you have two connections, by all means keep the old one for dyeing(wish I could do that) Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 17:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CLX3IP008218 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CLWY4G065094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLWVPE002018; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLWQsf001954 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPoD3-0002p8-6n for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:31:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? References: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Front-loaders are standard in the UK, therefore Dylon machine dye is made to work in them. I do this all the time, never had any trouble. Jean Elizabeth Young wrote >Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using >Dylon machine dye from the UK. >Worked great. > >liz young > >WickedFrau wrote: >> Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine >>is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a >>more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my >>old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. >> Sg >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 17:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CLuqLl008782 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CLuU13068038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLuSeC020474; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLuO5c020277 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051012215604.WREB28234.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:56:04 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Or, Dyeing in a front loading washer? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:55:36 -0400 Message-ID: <016801c5cf77$b40b3b60$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9CLuO5c020277 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really had to do a double-take on this subject line.... "Dying in a front end loader" to me, means that somebody died in a horrible industrial accident! A "front end loader" is like a big tractor with a scoop on the front for moving dirt around and loading dump trucks. It has nothing to do with laundry! Thank you for the morning chuckle! ::Linda;: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 18:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CM5jeV009035 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CM59ET069030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CM54Ih026631; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net (eastrmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CM504r026509 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051012220423.GRAX23022.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:04:23 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cleveland? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: <016901c5cf78$f38d8350$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <006c01c5cba2$fb53f0d0$6501a8c0@Duncan> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last summer we planned to go to the Cleveland Museum of Art as part of our vacation. Good thing I called ahead to plan. I was told by the nice lady at the CMA that all but 3 exhibits were boxed up and in storage, including all of the medieval armor and weapons stuff, and art. Seems they are moving into a new building and doing a lot of serious remodeling there. I asked when they planned to be fully re-opened and was told 2009. Yes, FOUR years! I'm sure parts will be back before then, but if anyone is planning on going to the CMA, calling ahead is a Very Good Idea. Pax, ::Linda:: On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? I don't live in Cleveland; I'm about an hour and a half southeast of it. You'll love the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Kent State University Fashion Museum! ----- Original Message ----- From: sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I > was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? > Cheers! > -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 19:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CNLrq2010617 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:21:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CNLKnJ078627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CNLDLD080539; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CNLAvw080434 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:10:12 -0700 Message-ID: <434D97EE.4060201@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:10:38 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Or, Dyeing in a front loading washer? References: <016801c5cf77$b40b3b60$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <016801c5cf77$b40b3b60$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 23:10:12.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[195F47E0:01C5CF82] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh geeze! Smack my forhead with heel of hand! Is that SMFWHOH in computer lingo? =-O Linda Rice wrote: >I really had to do a double-take on this subject line.... >e! > >::Linda;: > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 23:52:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D3qN2g015324 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D3psSx006155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D3po1B012093; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D3pkFx012055 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EPu864160-000511; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:51:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9D3qN2g015324 Status: RO Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer software or by hand. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 00:57:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D4uwi1016053 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D4uSKi011787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D4uOuZ037782; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D4uLY4037754 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85A6168C0 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051012215124.036e1e30@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:56:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software In-Reply-To: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> References: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:51 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: >Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid >it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail >them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer >software or by hand. > >Penny E. Ladnier Hi Penny, I know there are several high end embroidery design software that does this. They can do one color and the more expensive ones do 4-color versions. I also see a few lower priced versions are also doing this now. Do a google search on "embroidery design software photostitch" and you will find several. I can't answer as to which ones would be best, as I have yet to play with them myself. Someday I keep saying to myself, someday. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 00:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D4vDK8016064 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:57:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D4uvZF011842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D4uvCc038067; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D4uLts037753 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ECF168BD for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:51:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 AM 10/12/2005, you wrote: >And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a >book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months >ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a >shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that >was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this >class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. > >Tea Rose Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having a doozy of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are done without resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can hopefully shed light would be wonderful. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 01:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D5BVl1016282 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:11:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D5B7TD013246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D5B3XB043129; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D5Ax1L043067 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051013051053.GTZU10208.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:10:53 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051013051053.PPSU5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:10:53 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.14]); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:10:57 +1300 Message-ID: <005701c5cfb4$7e6c8030$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:10:54 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having a doozy > of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are done without > resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can hopefully shed light > would be wonderful. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary/index.htm The Mary of Hungary chemise has the arm gussets go right to the neckline, you can see the front panels and sleeves are smocked and the gussets left unsmocked. The back is also smocked I believe. I'm sure I've linked from there to Cynthia Virtue's site which hosts the pattern diagram of her chemise and gown. I made a version of it using the same measurements (Mary and I appear to have been very similar in height and width...) You can't even tell that the gussets are there with pleated neckline. I made a backing that was about an inch deep to secure my pleats to. When it was just a row of fine pleats they were even less visible. If you mean high necked shirts.. there are several extant that use a basic rectangle cut with a slit for the neck, gussets at the shoulders for shape and the body gathered/pleated to the neckline. I suspect there is a fair amount of artistic licence in some portraits... The Sture shirt though does look very fully gathered/pleated though. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 01:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D5HnMh016375 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D5HA20013885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D5H7h1045281; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D5H5hr045263 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EPvSg1uJp-0007Yd; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <008201c5cfb5$5a839450$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012215124.036e1e30@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I downloaded a demo version of X-Stitch Studio from here: http://www.ursasoftware.com/studio.htm I have been playing with it and you can only get details of images when you go into 18+ count aida cloth. I am putting an old fashion plate into the software and can't get details of the face. I am looking for anyone's suggestions as to your experience with this type software. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 02:22:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D6MUhC022367 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D6LppI019766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D6Lm1u069897; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D6LiXL069844 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j9D6LeXX024013 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801c5cfbe$5e41beb0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:21:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Long ago I bought acetate sheets that were gridded. Lay the sheet over the image and photocopy and you've got a pattern. Works really well if you're good at matching colors. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer software or by hand. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 03:42:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D7giX8011748 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D7gDVt026039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D7g79L000458; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D7g2CW000436 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54B951991 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051012231341.036a6320@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:41:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <005701c5cfb4$7e6c8030$0401010a@michaela> References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> <005701c5cfb4$7e6c8030$0401010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9D7g2CW000436 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:10 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: >If you mean high necked shirts.. there are several extant that use a basic >rectangle cut with a slit for the neck, gussets at the shoulders for shape >and the body gathered/pleated to the neckline. I suspect there is a fair >amount of artistic licence in some portraits... The Sture shirt though does >look very fully gathered/pleated though. Hello Michaela, I have seen the Mary of Hapsburg images from Cynthia Virtue's site, but didn't know of your images and info. Thank you for sharing those with me. I was speaking of the high necked shirts. One is this image of Henry, where you can see the decorative(?) black lines along one shoulder (his right), and it appears smocked into the neck collar, or it may be the texture of the painting. http://college-de-vevey.vd.ch/auteur/livres/connaissance/tomeX/Holbein_henry8.jpg I have a rather clear copy in one of my books, but not having seen this painting in person, am not sure if smocking lines, or brush strokes. This image from Joos van Cleve also is high necked and appears smocked. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Henry2.jpg I only wish I had a better image to look at. My book shows it in B&W, and not very well. And a third earlier image of Henry VIII, from an unknown artist in 1521. The only image I have is from Norris, Plate X B, which is a B&W image of the original painting. The neck is lower, rounded, and attached to a decorative strip of something, but definitely fully smocked from one side to the other side of the wide front opening of the doublet & robe? With your hint of the Sture shirt (I knew of the suits, but not the shirt), I did some google searching and found a possible pattern and detail photos of the Sture shirt, and info on the woman's reproduction shirt. However, I am not sure what I am looking at with the detailed images, as there doesn't appear to be an overall image of the original shirt to put it all into context. http://swein.campus.luth.se/lia/garb/browndoublet/shirt.html But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, "Journal of the Royal Armoury" Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is titled "Stureskjortorna" and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or anyone else have this, seen this, and/or know what language it may be written in? I am presuming not English. Since you mentioned the shirt, do you have more info on the Sture shirt as well? And I found this image of a boy's shirt, c1550. http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s2.jpg http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/elizabethan/boyshirt1540s.jpg Which came from here: http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/renaissance.html Which reminded me to look at Albrecht Durer's works, which provide tantalizing glimpses of the shirts near the neck, but even with the book I have and large images, not enough detail to determine what's going on. But this is more than I had before, so thank you for your comments and hints that continue my path to finding out more on Henry's shirts. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 03:50:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D7oGTe012417 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D7nuQp026749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D7ntht003039; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D7nrma003028 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9D7nfnO018517 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:49:41 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9D7nRDd155044 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:49:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051013000542.026724c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:49:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software In-Reply-To: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid >it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail >them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer >software or by hand. Yes. I found several, and I liked the HobbyWare one best (http://www.hobbyware.com/). I downloaded a demo for free and played with it for a few days - all of the programs I found let me do that. But the HobbyWare one had more range of possibilities than the other ones did, and fewer limitations on my own fiber-artsy requirements. It's the only program I tried where I could save the things I did in demo mode (I saved in .jpg format instead of in their proprietary format). I liked the interface better even tho I will probably never use most of the things the program does. It also cost more than the other ones I found did. There's also a thing called something like Trans Graph X which will allow you to do your own gridding manually. It's a set of different gauge grids printed on Mylar, which you put onto your image and go from there. I've had one of these since before I ever got a computer. It's great if you can use it, and was really cheap to buy. You might also check with your local cross-stitch/needlepoint store. The owner of my local one says she has a favorite, and I suspect some of the kits she sells are a product of that program. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 08:45:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DCjBWw021399 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DCifJG067789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DCibiC016610; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9D64ekb063096 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1EPwCk3u4a-0001mW; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: <008601c5cfbc$011a0190$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny><6.2.1.2.0.20051012215124.036e1e30@64.87.54.245> <008201c5cfb5$5a839450$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:04:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found another software demo, and it does capture great detail. It is called DigiStitch. The free demo is at: http://www.digistitch.com/down.htm Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 08:45:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DCjrow021425 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:45:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DCjb7F067937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DCjbmJ017066; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DAW4OA061909 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:32:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9DAVt626827.; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:55 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:48 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9DCjrow021425 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> kimiko@kimiko1.com 13/10/2005 08:41 >>> >With your hint of the Sture shirt (I knew of the suits, but not the shirt), >I did some google searching and found a possible pattern and detail photos >of the Sture shirt, and info on the woman's reproduction shirt. However, I >am not sure what I am looking at with the detailed images, as there doesn't >appear to be an overall image of the original shirt to put it all into context. >http://swein.campus.luth.se/lia/garb/browndoublet/shirt.html >But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, "Journal of the Royal >Armoury" Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is titled "Stureskjortorna" >and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or anyone else have this, >seen this, and/or know what language it may be written in? Uppsala is in Sweden. "Stureskjortorna" is Swedish for "The Sture shirts". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 08:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DCkbZg021443 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DCkKIU068032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DCkJXe017447; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DC4wDs098600 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 12:04:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g3ljfCxoVZVaYW6mvOfRpaUAFlQc8lnEFL1rLSPOSlh8mvLoJPCPm2Znzgvp/26nGTw6MlV2YS0IDPaZoKy4z9yWy4913wwbqll7TFoSHWO/vFNO7Jks8lXQx+H4qk+rgly0pPoWGH+omqHve/wW+1DrFMaL0HbOhhrroXM5KCo= ; Message-ID: <20051013120452.19724.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [86.136.179.205] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:04:52 BST Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:04:52 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] soles for slippers? - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all not terribly historic but I thought you'd be more likely to know about this. I'm looking for soles that could be used in making indoor slippers. I had an idea about making some pointy velvet slip ons for Christmas gifts and thought a thin covered sole would be sufficient. I've not been able to find something online though - has anyone tried to make them before? Apologies for OT etc., yours gratefully, Katherine in Scotland, so UK suppliers would be best:-) "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 08:51:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DCpiIi021555 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DCpOe8068434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DCpNfs019507; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DCpJ8E019490 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m229.in-tch.com [216.166.191.229]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9DCiPA23222 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <007401c5cff5$b67b53c0$e5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:57:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *snort* My first thought, on seeing the subject, was "she's planning on shuffling off her mortal coil in some highway-building equipment?" I've heard a number of people say that they keep an old washer for that purpose, or for scouring fleeces, but it's not something with which I have personal experience, as I live in an apartment and am forced to use a laundramat. My dyeing projects are all done in stove-top pots, with an occasional foray into the nuker (kool-aid dyeing on a small scale). --Sue (in Montana) ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? > Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is > about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more > water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one > for dying, but that will only last for so long. > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 09:16:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DDGOt4022207 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:16:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DDFuaE070687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDFrnx030984; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDFnv4030910 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:15:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6481EB7FE for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200510130511.j9D5BHin043229@net.indra.com> References: <200510130511.j9D5BHin043229@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:15:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Xstitch photo conversion... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:11 PM -0600 10/12/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid >>it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail >>them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer > >software or by hand. Yes there are several programs that will convert a photo into a chart. Most need massive tweaking to remove the random odd color...there is a Photoshop plug in that is wandering the net as shareware as well. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 09:22:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DDMxMF022341 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DDMgv2071345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDMfYS034123; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDMbis034080 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.181]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5777C47FE65 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:22:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c5cff9$36a904e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:22:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, In Modelejon, about male fashion in Sweden there is a picture of the shirt.It was worn by Nils Sture 24. of may 1567. Further reading in swedish is Nylén A-M,. Stureskjortorna i Livrustka,,aren, vol. IV, hæft 8-9, Stockholm 1948. The shirt has a wide neckband collar. The body is gathered to the shirt all way round and has another ruffle gathered at the top of the shirt. Neckband and Ruffles wich also sits on the sleaves are embroidered with black silk, The linnen is 80 cm, wide and all the width has ben used for the front and back piece. No smocking, sorry!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> kimiko@kimiko1.com 13/10/2005 08:41 >>> >With your hint of the Sture shirt (I knew of the suits, but not the shirt), >I did some google searching and found a possible pattern and detail photos >of the Sture shirt, and info on the woman's reproduction shirt. However, I >am not sure what I am looking at with the detailed images, as there doesn't >appear to be an overall image of the original shirt to put it all into >context. >http://swein.campus.luth.se/lia/garb/browndoublet/shirt.html >But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, "Journal of the Royal >Armoury" Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is titled "Stureskjortorna" >and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or anyone else have this, >seen this, and/or know what language it may be written in? Uppsala is in Sweden. "Stureskjortorna" is Swedish for "The Sture shirts". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 09:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DDvVuv023061 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DDv11t075561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:57:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDuwaY052172; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DDus4S052115 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABB672EBE for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:58:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <003801c5cfbe$5e41beb0$6501a8c0@Duncan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXPvn0h2MAlR1uCQeyzMnyPZKdrDgAP56PQ Message-Id: <20051013135654.1ABB672EBE@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What about the software products like PC Stitch? They cost around $30 and do the same thing - I've got a several yar old version around here somewhere....... I think I got it originally at Best Buy, but I'm sure you can order it over the internet. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Long ago I bought acetate sheets that were gridded. Lay the sheet over the image and photocopy and you've got a pattern. Works really well if you're good at matching colors. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer software or by hand. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DE1W9e023144 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DE1BYD076166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DE1Bx6054718; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DE1786054646 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.6a.5fdded9c (18707) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.5fdded9c.307fc299@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] soles for slippers? - OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/13/2005 6:46:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: indoor slippers. I had an idea about making some pointy velvet slip ons for Christmas gifts and thought a thin covered sole would be sufficient. I've not been able to find something online though - has anyone tried to make them before? I would consider leather. Suede has more grip. You can make the entire slipper including the foot and then use leather glue, Gorilla, Barge (different kinds of strong glue, don't know the brands in the U.K.). It's nice to work from a foot tracing but if it is meant to be a surprise, maybe not. It's nice to have a foot tracing as most people have different shaped feet and you can actually tailor each slipper to the intended foot. One of my students had a great shoe making book a couple of years back but I don't remember the name. Lots of cute velvet types. And I don't consider it off-topic as many re-enactors would like suggestions for period foot ware. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:08:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DE8w3V023297 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:08:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DE8Yw7077164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DE8Xb4058807; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sm4app01.siteprotect.com (sm4app01.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DE8TmQ058770 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from sm4app01.siteprotect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sm4app01.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0519F8BF for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:07 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soles for slippers? - OT X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:07 -0500 X-Uidl: 20051013120452.19724.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Mailer: AtMail 5.1.2 Message-Id: <20051013140307.B0519F8BF@sm4app01.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9DE8TmQ058770 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've made several pairs of indoor mid-19th century slippers using medium-weight suede leather for the soles. I purchased the suede from a leather supplier; it was very economical - I got ten pairs of soles from an $8.00 piece of suede. I attached the uppers to the soles using my sewing machine. I've also made slippers using cork soles. I purchased cork tiles from a building supply store, cut the soles, bound them with a bias strip of silk, then sewed the uppers to the binding by hand. You can also find the cork tiles at office supply stores. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 On Thu Oct 13 6:04 , katherine sanders sent: >I'm looking for soles that could be used in making >indoor slippers. I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:09:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DE9ATB023301 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DE8phG077190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DE8odv058953; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DE8lYG058877 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29903 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 14:08:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cfr22ILckgXmfd5rRg1bi/aZVwdRPauXZ90qngjQpIWgFgChqDkeQtsy1/+4ZEnoFUiDR1sZwur4TiFhQCyX/jGx++J6wpJ4OptSd0B6EvLlIrv8kWAPdsHePKzRwO6b2kbCo6OniKv3PvYVS25DswJMEpJ8lN8a+W9o/3Tk0/A= ; Message-ID: <20051013140842.29901.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:08:42 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lady and the Unicorn Tapestries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't remember who, but at least one person had mentioned a book/catalogue about these tapestries. This is the result I finally got from a book search site. "THE LADY AND THE UNICORN. Erlande-Brandenburg. Editions de la Reunion, 1989. VG+. Softcover." It doesn't give any other information than that, and I don't know enough about the different editions. Is this the shorter version or the full length edition? Thanks, Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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Message-ID: <20051013142207.35417.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:22:07 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tippets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for all the replies and info! I haven't read the article, but from what Robin has said so far, I definitely should! I'll check the library at the university first, but short of buying it (which I may do anyway) I don't think anywhere local to me would have it available. If I can't locate it I will email you Robin. Thanks again, Annette M Robin Netherton has written quite an explanation of tippets. The article is in the first Journal of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. Information there may help you in your efforts to produce your own. The article is scholarly, and not a how-to-make type. Of course... you might have already read it. ; > Good Luck . Hope this helps. Mari / Bridgette On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were > made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work something out. > A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied > above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and evidence to the article): -- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly *not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. -- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down > version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as > the surcotte. This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of things, including hood tails. > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the > construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the > construction. There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and (again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a > cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. .. From what > I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. For the long version, I refer you to the article. --Robin > How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? It's an annual journal published in book form. It's assumed that most subscribers will be libraries that will want to assemble a complete set, though I suppose that there would be some way for individuals to subscribe as well. Most people, though, will want to buy individual volumes based on their interest in specific papers included. The papers in each volume vary greatly by topic, period, and discipline. It's our goal to have a broad range in each volume, representing early medieval up through early modern (that's the preferred term now for Elizabethan ;-) ), and a variety of approaches: art, literature, documentary studies, archaeology, trade/economics, and experimental reconstruction. The papers are peer-reviewed and academic in nature, not focused on the how-tos of costuming, though we believe that costumers and re-enactors who are interested in the historic aspects of their work will find many of the papers of use. (I do encourage people to think of the footnotes as good starting points for sources for further research in each of the topics addressed; even if the focus of a particular paper is highly specific, the footnotes will likely provide a far broader introduction to the scholarly literature on that topic.) You can see contents for Volume 1 here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Volume 2 is here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Depending on when you order, you can sometimes find good prices at Amazon or B&N. --Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DEXCGD023832 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DEWtUx080203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEWsIo074572; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DEWneK074460 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 44676 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 14:32:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jr+fz3R6p00kIBBIxggFWUyqtEayizGNpDNdxB1kso4EznV0pV49kKNgSnIlvMI0Rt7KeB+YYDLfUmwUvv0xfsoBx/edmr5FeGNwdz3/KupTTMnJGUt7pnzq1xZ/kCe7NpTz/uV1Mv4SS56qxtQEH4c0UB5arLoNoQfxNoDR3tM= ; Message-ID: <20051013143238.44674.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:32:38 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510131408.j9DE8pZd058970@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, Incidentally I do have this journal book, sent over about a year ago now. I had meant to translate it from Swedish, but other projects kept leaping into my way. It contains all 4 shirts from the Sture men found at Uppsala, complete with conservation diagrams on their construction. I can copy stuff from it if you wish. Give me a couple months to get the glut of stuff I have going on out of the way, and I might be able to do some translating as well. *I* personally don't speak the language fluently, but I have a friend in Saffle, Sweden that helps me along. I understand the museology terms, he gives me the raw information. Between the two of us, we come up with some fairly usable translations. Kathy > But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, > "Journal of the Royal > Armoury" Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is > titled "Stureskjortorna" > and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or > anyone else have this, > seen this, and/or know what language it may be > written in? I am presuming > not English. Since you mentioned the shirt, do you > have more info on the > Sture shirt as well? It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:39:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DEdlhY023999 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DEdN0A081396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEdNib079522; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (mxo2.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEdIC0079402 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F435FE7E for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200510131408.j9DE8pZe058970@net.indra.com> References: <200510131408.j9DE8pZe058970@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:39:03 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Xstitch software X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:08 AM -0600 10/13/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I have been playing with it and you can only get details of images when you >go into 18+ count aida cloth. I am putting an old fashion plate into the >software and can't get details of the face. > >I am looking for anyone's suggestions as to your experience with this type >software. It has to do with the resolution--the high the thread count the finer the detail. Traditional Xstitch designs are rather 'crude' and blocky...the modern patterns of angels etc are on a high count cloth and are rather large...Think pixels and screen resolution--more is better! And yes it all gets down to 1s and 0s And then there are the designs that use *2* colors of thread in the needle... TA Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DEfIgd024033 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:41:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DEeuHf081580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEevZP080649; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEerrF080531 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:40:46 -0700 Message-ID: <434E720A.8040706@msn.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:41:14 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lady and the Unicorn Tapestries References: <20051013140842.29901.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051013140842.29901.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2005 14:40:46.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[18E0F610:01C5D004] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This site explains the various catalogues fairly well. Hope it helps. http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1220_gothic/tapestry_resources.php Saragrace Kahlara wrote: > >It doesn't give any other information than that, and I don't know enough about the different editions. Is this the shorter version or the full length edition? > >Thanks, > >Annette M > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 10:57:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DEvi0F024420 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:57:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DEv7s1083641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEv2ok092090; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:57:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DEuxAV092038 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14234 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:21:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:21:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lady and the Unicorn Tapestries In-Reply-To: <20051013140842.29901.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I don't remember who, but at least one person had mentioned a > book/catalogue about these tapestries. This is the result I finally > got from a book search site. > > "THE LADY AND THE UNICORN. > Erlande-Brandenburg. > Editions de la Reunion, 1989. VG+. Softcover." > It doesn't give any other information than that, and I don't know > enough about the different editions. Is this the shorter version or > the full length edition? I know of only one version of this book; it's the Cluny Museum publication. Comes in both English and French. Many, many pictures including a color fold-out of each tapestry and various close-ups. I wish I'd bought two because I have used mine so much the binding has fallen to pieces -- and that's not a reflection on the book quality, just on my use of it! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 11:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DF5jxt024620 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DF5MJ5084592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DF5IE7097542; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DF5DuE097474 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.181]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AB07B5EE0A3 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:05:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c5d007$94c9d190$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:05:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] history of bullion stitches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have any of you any idears how old Bullion stitch is? My own research has gotten me back to 1770ies-80ies. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/egeskov.htm Would be glad if any know some more? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 11:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DFSlZt025125 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DFSKUe087265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DFSHTX014078; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DFSAbl013964 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD0C3CEB1 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:28:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:28:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > At 08:33 AM 10/12/2005, you wrote: > >> because she had documentation of what you >> were talking about. >>> > Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having a > doozy of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are done > without resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can hopefully > shed light would be wonderful. www.bellomarisco.com/smocking.php This is the website of the gal who taught the class on pleatwork. I don't know if folks here are already familiar with it or not, but it was new to me. I don't see her shirt diagrams on the site, just the pleatwork and stitching. The handouts from the class had assembly diagrams. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 11:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DFXVq9025248 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DFX5cW087815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DFX3jM017645; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:33:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DFX0aW017530 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBW69TCABRZDGA for (sender ); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K67YT7VK; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:30 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:24:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design Message-ID: <20051013.102417.-188124809.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,9-11 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 3:4:903788979 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn773U+mMdcwd4fR+v8xFL0tcLHcyyH6kmTA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jessica, That's a really big question. Maybe we could be of more help if we had some more details. How experienced are you at sewing? Did you take sewing in school? Have you done much sewing since school? What style of bodice is it? Ball gown? Day dress? What is this for? Is it for Halloween or for a historic reenactment of some sort? How strictly do you want it to be historically accurate? The more detailed your question, the better the folks here can give you the answer you are looking for. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 11:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DFdF3A025384 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:39:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DFcgA6088599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DFce5G021876; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DFcXL3021685 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 87525 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 15:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 15:38:26 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051013163743.01cea7a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:38:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report?/Smocking site In-Reply-To: <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:28 13/10/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: > >>At 08:33 AM 10/12/2005, you wrote: >> >>> because she had documentation of what you were talking about. >>Oh yes please share that info on the list as well. I've been having >>a doozy of a time trying to figure out how Henry VIII's smocks are >>done without resorting to raglan style sleeves. Any info that can >>hopefully shed light would be wonderful. > > >www.bellomarisco.com/smocking.php > >This is the website of the gal who taught the class on pleatwork. I >don't know if folks here are already familiar with it or not, but it >was new to me. I don't see her shirt diagrams on the site, just the >pleatwork and stitching. The handouts from the class had assembly diagrams. Great site - thanks for the link. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 12:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DG1ncw025844 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:01:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DG10vo091870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DG0tJF039402; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DG0hPj039275 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.13c.1de3be0f (15700) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philliph (acbd104e.ipt.aol.com [172.189.16.78]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.23) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d54434e849e33; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:00:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <434EF3BF.000001.72351@PHILLIPH> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:54:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051013.102417.-188124809.0.penhalion@juno.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.16.78 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9DG1ncw025844 Status: RO hi hun well i am reasonably good at needle craft, but have not ever made crinoline ballgowns before, this dress is an 1860s day type dress, ,i wantto make historic type dresses, but they do not have to be historically accurate down to fine detail,s, i want to make nice looking crinoline style dresses, especially the hugh type crinoline,s. bodice design is my failure i have never made more than 3 in my life except for modern bodices or blouses, and i have no idea as to a starting point. i thought of using the polyester taffetta fabric, for the dress itself im being a pain to you all with these question,s i know, sorry, but is there anywhere where i can get patterns for bodices or complete dresses please hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Karen R Bergquist Date: 10/13/05 08:33:42 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design Hi Jessica, That's a really big question. Maybe we could be of more help if we had some more details. How experienced are you at sewing? Did you take sewing in school? Have you done much sewing since school? What style of bodice is it? Ball gown? Day dress? What is this for? Is it for Halloween or for a historic reenactment of some sort? How strictly do you want it to be historically accurate? The more detailed your question, the better the folks here can give you the answer you are looking for. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 12:19:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DGJE1s026275 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DGInuO094920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGIkXB053862; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DGIf8Y053645 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20669 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2005 16:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2005 16:18:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051013171350.01d4ab68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:18:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design In-Reply-To: <434EF3BF.000001.72351@PHILLIPH> References: <20051013.102417.-188124809.0.penhalion@juno.com> <434EF3BF.000001.72351@PHILLIPH> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:54 14/10/2005, you wrote: >hi hun > >well i am reasonably good at needle craft, but have not ever made crinoline >ballgowns before, this dress is an 1860s day type dress, ,i wantto make >historic type dresses, but they do not have to be historically accurate down >to fine detail,s, > >i want to make nice looking crinoline style dresses, especially the hugh >type crinoline,s. > >bodice design is my failure i have never made more than 3 in my life except >for modern bodices or blouses, and i have no idea as to a starting point. > >i thought of using the polyester taffetta fabric, for the dress itself > >im being a pain to you all with these question,s i know, sorry, but is there >anywhere where i can get patterns for bodices or complete dresses please You could start here. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/patterns.php And you could try looking for "Truly Victorian" I personally use "Cut of Women's Clothes" by Norah Waugh "Patterns of Fashion" by Janet Arnold (3 volumes - check which you need) "Period Costume for Stage and Screen" by Jean Hunnisett (5 volumes - again check which you need) These are all patterns mostly form original garments. You will need to enlarge them. Arnold and Waugh are the original sizes, Hunnisett is adapted to fit an American size 12/English 14 or 12 depending on what sizing system you use!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 12:23:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DGNe5W026371 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DGNNeV095495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGNNUB057433; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGNI7N057358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-23-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.23]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j9DGNG1L024188 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:23:17 +1000 Message-ID: <007701c5d012$6af188d0$17ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051013.102417.-188124809.0.penhalion@juno.com> <434EF3BF.000001.72351@PHILLIPH> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:23:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design hi hun well i am reasonably good at needle craft, but have not ever made crinoline ballgowns before, this dress is an 1860s day type dress, ,i wantto make historic type dresses, but they do not have to be historically accurate down to fine detail,s, i want to make nice looking crinoline style dresses, especially the hugh type crinoline,s. bodice design is my failure i have never made more than 3 in my life except for modern bodices or blouses, and i have no idea as to a starting point. i thought of using the polyester taffetta fabric, for the dress itself im being a pain to you all with these question,s i know, sorry, but is there anywhere where i can get patterns for bodices or complete dresses please hugs >jessica OK so I'm guessing you're actually interested in the early to mid 1860s as by the time you get to the end of the 1860s you're getting into the begining of the bustle era rather than big crinolines. You might be interested in Simplicity's range of 'civil war' patterns http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=57&startrow=1 they take a couple of modern shortcuts where it doesn't show (like using snaps to attach the collar instead of sewing it on and unpicking the stitches when you want to wash it) but the overall details are pretty accurate. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 12:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DGbh1P026838 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:37:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DGbCjE097195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGb90l068403; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9DGb54I068261 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail28.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.168]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBW7DKAA6TWGVA for (sender ); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K674GNZW; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:36:07 PDT Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail28.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:35:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:35:11 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Message-Id: <20051013.093607.6752.191051@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1783829468 X-MAIL-INFO: 22c5c5648455fd41cdfdfd65fd5151b4d1d4d510d124ddd1a5a41da5c45559a4446de994c5d534c97594c4642940110c00002081ed3511b4549d65e920ad907490e004c0606939e0490409e9594dd9218181256989d1143414d06d44d06dc5846dc581893095c1cd31b595248d6531a12410f9e124a4a509d129d199c4c5d46dd184 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn773U+mMdcwd4jRX5/Jcl5FE5oAd8DPJDRw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.168|webmail28.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the recommendation for the Simplicity Civil War patterns. I have found them to be pretty easy to follow with full-sized patterns that you don't need to scale up or down. Simplicity has a nice ballgown pattern as well as a couple that could be fancied up for use as party dresses. Happy sewing! Karen Penhalion -- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design hi hun well i am reasonably good at needle craft, but have not ever made crinoline ballgowns before, this dress is an 1860s day type dress, ,i wantto make historic type dresses, but they do not have to be historically accurate down to fine detail,s, i want to make nice looking crinoline style dresses, especially the hugh type crinoline,s. bodice design is my failure i have never made more than 3 in my life except for modern bodices or blouses, and i have no idea as to a starting point. i thought of using the polyester taffetta fabric, for the dress itself im being a pain to you all with these question,s i know, sorry, but is there anywhere where i can get patterns for bodices or complete dresses please hugs >jessica OK so I'm guessing you're actually interested in the early to mid 1860s as by the time you get to the end of the 1860s you're getting into the begining of the bustle era rather than big crinolines. You might be interested in Simplicity's range of 'civil war' patterns http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=0&id=57&startrow=1 they take a couple of modern shortcuts where it doesn't show (like using snaps to attach the collar instead of sewing it on and unpicking the stitches when you want to wash it) but the overall details are pretty accurate. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 12:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DGo1Eb027187 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DGncT3098628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGnZBp077990; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DGnRtY077836 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.c8.69669a41 (25098) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:49:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/13/2005 12:04:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: i want to make nice looking crinoline style dresses, especially the hugh type crinoline,s. You mean huge, instead of hugh I take it. It has been my experience that huge hoops were reserved mainly for evening wear, regardless of what movies show. Still, this doesn't mean you can't have a nice big day dress, just not HUGE. bodice design is my failure i have never made more than 3 in my life except for modern bodices or blouses, and i have no idea as to a starting point. Fortunately, 1860's day bodices are not difficult to get together. They usually open down the CF and have 2 darts under the bust on each side. So the front is just 2 pieces. [even if the front is gathered, it will have a lining with the darts] The backs are usually 3 pieces, but sometimes this is faked and the back is really one piece cut on the fold! Sleeves at not difficult either, though kinda full. I suggest you get a Past Patterns bodice pattern. It comes with instructions and is pretty easy. There's a commercial [Butterrick?] pattern with a jacket type of bodice that is very good looking. I seem to remember the model being in grey and burgundy on the front of the envelope. Some things that will make your bodice appear very period are: Wear a corset! Simplicity makes some patterns I think. I personally find Past Patterns 1845-1860 [#708] corset divine. A beautiful shape! [I add a bone between each bone on the pattern, but you don't have to do this to get the results.] The bodice must fit snug. A small armseye that goes up higher under the arm than clothes today. Accessories! [lace collar, embroidered under sleeves, a bonnet] Skirts are a breeze. Just strait panels, usually 3 lengths of the fabric [45" wide] sewn selvage to selvage, and pleated onto the bodice. This requires a side front closure that is hidden in the return of one of the side front pleats. But you can make the bodice [CF closure] and skirt [CB closure] separate, especially if there is a peplum. Or put hooks pointing down on the bodice and corresponding thread bars on the skirt waistband to keep them together. But get a pattern and follow the instructions and you will have no problem. Just come back here and ask questions. We love to pontificate [well I do, obviously!] about our vast....vast I tell you!... knowledge and help out here! Have fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 13:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DH5fDp027596 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:05:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DH50eM000643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DH4pdK090006; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DH4iSG089857 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:04:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so585857nzf for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=izEJeqc7TJtyx/r++J5qAewvFLN8CXhKIYZDk2btbzMpvtX453qQWwUF8OOVR3eakMV8uQjWQH6U0Zpgktmxo9JtjFJ1KMMQvqniPp1ase9T/u/RFAYSSTbhysmtawHPEnZyq19z6RTx4IlLC0MEnCJq+L7qDjIqWGdjUk3SO2Q= Received: by 10.36.251.20 with SMTP id y20mr2581984nzh; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.80.1 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:39 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dyeing in a front end loader...? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9DH4iSG089857 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >WickedFrau wrote: >> Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine >>is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a >>more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my >>old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. >> Sg I have one of the high-efficiency machines and love it. However, water based dye-stuffs require water. My machine doesnt use enough to activate the dye. The tablespoon or so of detergent often required as part of the process is a different formulation than HE detergents required by the machine. Enjoy your experimenting. Do call the dye companies. You wont be the first to ask for tips (they had none for me back 3 yrs ago) and you may even get the benefit of their reformulations or suggestions. For myself, I borrow the services of a standard machine where the qty of water, formulation of detergent recommended by the dye mfgr is as expected. Much less trouble. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 13:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DHNpNw028103 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DHNFHP003192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DHNC3D004846; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DHN6nP004676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EQ6mw-0000sX-Oo; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:22:42 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20051013122242.b133yiy5378gcsso@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:22:42 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software References: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> In-Reply-To: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Penny Ladnier : > Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and > grid it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this > if you mail them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in > some computer software or by hand. There's a program called PC-Stitch. I have it, but I've never used it. As soon as I graduate ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 14:16:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DIGsU8029463 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DIGDbt010853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DIG2oA047142; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DIFwpg047024 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1c2.33167901 (2612) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.33167901.307ffe53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:15:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/13/2005 12:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: this dress is an 1860s day type dress, If you are in the US, you can use the Martha McCain Simplicity patterns. They are carefully researched, yet sized to the regular commercial pattern standard. Poly taffeta is okay for a costumey type ensemble; however, for a day dress you could use a lightweight wool or even a cotton print. There are many good mid-century repro cotton prints available. Silk, not a synthetic, would be de rigueur for a period-authentic evening dress. Granted, they can be expensive and hard to find if you aren't near a large fabric store. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 16:08:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DK81fR031980 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:08:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DK76e8025391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DK6wPe030492; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DK6pTe030402 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9DK6sKE012122 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:06:54 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DK6W52541342 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:06:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051013125348.02556128@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:56:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Xstitch software In-Reply-To: References: <200510131408.j9DE8pZe058970@net.indra.com> <200510131408.j9DE8pZe058970@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >It has to do with the resolution--the high the thread count the finer the >detail. Traditional Xstitch designs are rather 'crude' and blocky...the >modern patterns of angels etc are on a high count cloth and are rather >large...Think pixels and screen resolution--more is better! And yes it all >gets down to 1s and 0s I saw a historical piece of needlepoint at somebody's house. It had three sizes of stitches. Most of the piece was the size I would expect for needlepoint. Some of the detail parts were half of that gage, and the faces were one quarter of that gage. My guess is that they did most of the work over four threads, some of it over like two threads, and the faces over like one thread. This might be a solution for your fashion plate dilemma. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 16:08:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DK88Nr031983 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DK7ju0025502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DK7hFc031137; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DK7bfx031021 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from cpc2-midd3-3-0-cust239.midd.cable.ntl.com [80.6.241.239] (helo=HP411.jigrah.co.uk) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1EQ9MA0mas-0007HS; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:07:14 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20051013205734.00b92e20@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt8296337-1938@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:07:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jill Hadfield Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo & cross-stitch software In-Reply-To: <007201c5cfa9$6edbd310$6400a8c0@Penny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48E22C2D X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:88428c658b6b4bd4e89914abc23f151b X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use "easy cross" from Fulford software. Reasonably cheap and very easy to use. You can specify Anchor, DMC etc. for the thread list and the chart can be printed at your preferred size. I usually print charts at 8 or 9 squares to the inch, it makes them easy to follow. A demo version is available from their website www.easycross.co.uk Jill At 23:51 12/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know the name of some software that will take a photo and grid >it for cross-stitch? I know there are people who will do this if you mail >them the photo. But I wonder if they are doing this in some computer >software or by hand. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:07:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DN70YT002537 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DN6WUM050842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DN6OJJ062245; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DN6KKN062123 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.19a.3e788710 (15899) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philliph (acbd104e.ipt.aol.com [172.189.16.78]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b434ee85d2e9; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:06:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <434F58B9.00000D.72351@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:05:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" To: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.16.78 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thanks all bodice design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9DN70YT002537 Status: RO hey everyone thank you all for the help on this matter, i am not that well into big dresses like crinolines yet to be able to cope with this alone, and your help has been very gratefully recieved on this, and will keep you all updated with the progress i will hopefully make hugs jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:44:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DNi0ck003049 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DNhRrs054646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNhOuo082062; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNhHGQ081943 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051013234310.YVJN1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:43:10 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.163.54]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051013234310.KYIN5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:43:10 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.12.0]); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:43:17 +1300 Message-ID: <006d01c5d04f$e2892640$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com><6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> Subject: smocking Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:43:16 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > www.bellomarisco.com/smocking.php > > This is the website of the gal who taught the class on pleatwork. I > don't know if folks here are already familiar with it or not, but it was > new to me. I don't see her shirt diagrams on the site, just the > pleatwork and stitching. The handouts from the class had assembly diagrams. lol! I was about to go hunt down her site as I recalled her smocking recreations. A most informative site to be sure. I found it while hunting down portraits by Ludger tom Ring d.J. as I'm trying to make a dress in the style of one of his sitters. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.0/132 - Release Date: 13/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DNkfcf003074 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DNkPZc055194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkOX2083589; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkKx6083535 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275B95DDD5 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013161712.036efc70@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:20:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <000d01c5cff9$36a904e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000d01c5cff9$36a904e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9DNkKx6083535 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:22 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >In Modelejon, about male fashion in Sweden there is a picture of the >shirt.It was worn by Nils Sture 24. of may 1567. >Further reading in swedish is Nylén A-M,. Stureskjortorna i >Livrustka,,aren, vol. IV, hæft 8-9, Stockholm 1948. >The shirt has a wide neckband collar. The body is gathered to the shirt >all way round and has another ruffle gathered at the top of the shirt. >Neckband and Ruffles wich also sits on the sleaves are embroidered with >black silk, >The linnen is 80 cm, wide and all the width has ben used for the front and >back piece. >No smocking, sorry!!! > >Bjarne Bjarne, Thank you very much for that info. It really helps my current understanding of the photos I saw, and that it was not smocked. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DNkfER003075 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DNkPWg055193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkOdB083586; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkKaE083536 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA025DDE0 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013162038.036eff00@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:22:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc In-Reply-To: <20051013143238.44674.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200510131408.j9DE8pZd058970@net.indra.com> <20051013143238.44674.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:32 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >Hi Kimiko, > >Incidentally I do have this journal book, sent over >about a year ago now. I had meant to translate it from >Swedish, but other projects kept leaping into my way. >It contains all 4 shirts from the Sture men found at >Uppsala, complete with conservation diagrams on their >construction. I can copy stuff from it if you wish. >Give me a couple months to get the glut of stuff I >have going on out of the way, and I might be able to >do some translating as well. *I* personally don't >speak the language fluently, but I have a friend in >Saffle, Sweden that helps me along. I understand the >museology terms, he gives me the raw information. >Between the two of us, we come up with some fairly >usable translations. > >Kathy Hi Kathy, Thank you so very much. Please take your time, as I understand the need to deal with current projects. I would love copies when you have more time, and any pertinent translations. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:46:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DNkl3Z003090 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:46:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DNkPUF055192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkOhT083585; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNkKDP083534 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C645DDD0 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013161634.03713198@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:16:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:31 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >Uppsala is in Sweden. "Stureskjortorna" is Swedish for "The Sture shirts". Thank you Kate for that clarification. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 19:50:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DNo7mP003119 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:50:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9DNnLgj055606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNnKtW085159; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9DNnHHj085133 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B29171CD for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013164626.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:47:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051012214946.03732ae0@64.87.54.245> <434E7D09.8050202@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >www.bellomarisco.com/smocking.php > >This is the website of the gal who taught the class on pleatwork. I don't >know if folks here are already familiar with it or not, but it was new to >me. I don't see her shirt diagrams on the site, just the pleatwork and >stitching. The handouts from the class had assembly diagrams. > > >Dawn Thank you Dawn for sharing that site. Her shirt info on http://www.bellomarisco.com/shirt.php was enlightening. I have also written to the teacher requesting more info. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 20:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E034JK003325 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:03:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E02Yjg057002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E02XQn091795; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E02TwB091760 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:02:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16115D2D2 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013165904.036cba68@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:02:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Xstitch photo conversion... In-Reply-To: References: <200510130511.j9D5BHin043229@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:15 AM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >Yes there are several programs that will convert a photo into a chart. >Most need massive tweaking to remove the random odd color...there is a >Photoshop plug in that is wandering the net as shareware as well. >Ta >Carol Oh, thank you Carol!! I found one. Called PM Stitch Creator 3.0 and is available here: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphic/Graphic-Others/PM-Stitch-Creator.shtml And for those who do Blackwork like I wanted, it has an "Extendable collection of Blackwork", whatever that exactly means. Now, to find the time to play with this piece of shareware (not likely for awhile for me, I am afraid.) Thanks again, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 20:13:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E0D51a003452 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:13:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E0CaKU058193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E0CXw8096642; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E0CUrv096606 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DD517205 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013171130.036cba68@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:12:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Xstitch photo conversion... In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051013165904.036cba68@64.87.54.245> References: <200510130511.j9D5BHin043229@net.indra.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051013165904.036cba68@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:02 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote: >Oh, thank you Carol!! > >I found one. Called PM Stitch Creator 3.0 and is available here: >http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphic/Graphic-Others/PM-Stitch-Creator.shtml > Ah, I goofed on this one... it is shareware, and it looks interesting, but it wasn't a Photoshop plugin, but appears to be a stand alone piece of software. I will keep looking for the plugin. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 13 21:38:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E1cCkd004458 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E1aNDK066246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E1aKjD033725; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9E1aGMI033699 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26467 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 02:19:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:19:28 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, I would like to ask your help in finding a digital camera brand that gives good color representation when photographing fabrics. I have had 2 Canon digital cameras now and neither of them is good at capturing fabric colors. Since I have to put pictures on my website that represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures and have them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! Thanks so much for your help! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 00:01:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E41l6Y006024 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E40x55079173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E40nBi099253; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E40hEG099157 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:00:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8F3CED4 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:00:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434F2D6F.1000906@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:00:47 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> <1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > Since I have to put pictures on my website that > represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures and have > them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). > > If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! > Well, your picture color is only as good as my monitor. So you can get an expensive camera and tweak it to be perfect for you and it might be something entirely different when everyone else views your site. Another $.02 , I've found that both my digital cameras and my scanners have tended to err on the red end of the spectrum when the weather is humid. I usually have to tweak the red down in summer, it doesn't seem to be related to brand. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 00:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E4LqX4006228 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:21:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E4LaMc080811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E4LYpl008245; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9E4LUjU008182 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 83993 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 04:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 04:21:25 -0000 Message-ID: <434F3244.1020103@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:21:24 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? References: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051001230538.01c7c708@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051001230538.01c7c708@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, all who responded to my question. I ended up on the hatsupply.com site - lots of cool stuff! Shipping was fast and ordering was very pleasant. I didn't order any flat fur felt yet (although I will) because I would lack the willpower to let it sit until the end of the semester. I did get some gorgeous veiling for the hat that I am making now. liz young Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > I know some of the millinery supply places on-line stock stuff like > that. For example, http://www.hatsupply.com/flat_fur_felt.htm carries > flat fur felt for some of the vogue vintage patterns. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 07:30 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote: > >> Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt >> (for making hats)? >> I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst of >> making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for flat >> goods) and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. >> >> liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 02:53:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9E6rlo6021432 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:53:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9E6rEi8004637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E6rBFu070501; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:53:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9E6r7OE070464 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:53:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CBD4A47FEC4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:53:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004f01c5d08b$f0fc5f30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com><6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> <1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:53:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Diana, I have a Sony Cyber Shoot 3,2 mill. pixels camera. In stability it works very well. I have had it for 5 years soon, and i have used it frequently. It takes good closeup pictures. But it has a problem with the blue colours. It does not capture the right blue tones. But you would probably not be able to get this kind any more. The market changes very quickly, and i believe they use more pixels today. So i would probably also say that they have improved to be more collour true today. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions > Hello all, > > I would like to ask your help in finding a digital camera brand that gives > good color representation when photographing fabrics. > > I have had 2 Canon digital cameras now and neither of them is good at > capturing fabric colors. Since I have to put pictures on my website that > represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures and have > them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). > > If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! > > Thanks so much for your help! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 06:24:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EAOFFt005352 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EAMr8M028757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EAMlNH044587; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EAMijB044554 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 151.199.132.159 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:22:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [151.199.132.159] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051013143238.44674.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:22:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:22:37 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 10:22:38.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[33E519F0:01C5D0A9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9EAOFFt005352 Status: RO I, too, would love a copy of the info on the shirts, when you have the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pleated smocks/shifts etc Hi Kimiko, Incidentally I do have this journal book, sent over about a year ago now. I had meant to translate it from Swedish, but other projects kept leaping into my way. It contains all 4 shirts from the Sture men found at Uppsala, complete with conservation diagrams on their construction. I can copy stuff from it if you wish. Give me a couple months to get the glut of stuff I have going on out of the way, and I might be able to do some translating as well. *I* personally don't speak the language fluently, but I have a friend in Saffle, Sweden that helps me along. I understand the museology terms, he gives me the raw information. Between the two of us, we come up with some fairly usable translations. Kathy > But it gave me a name of a journal to hunt down, > "Journal of the Royal > Armoury" Vol IV: 8-9 (häfte 8-9) The article is > titled "Stureskjortorna" > and it was written by Anna-Maja Nylén. Do you or > anyone else have this, > seen this, and/or know what language it may be > written in? I am presuming > not English. Since you mentioned the shirt, do you > have more info on the > Sture shirt as well? It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 10:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EEdm3O014651 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:39:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EEd76j067850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EEd1Tx061190; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9EEcwDD061114 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14660 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 14:37:54 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:37:54 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1062.67.188.164.116.1129300981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5d08b$f0fc5f30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com><6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> <1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <004f01c5d08b$f0fc5f30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi Diana, > I have a Sony Cyber Shoot 3,2 mill. pixels camera. > In stability it works very well. I have had it for 5 years soon, and i > have > used it frequently. It takes good closeup pictures. > But it has a problem with the blue colours. It does not capture the right > blue tones. That has been one of the problems with mine! Someone just pointed out to me that my camera might have a "light balance setting" and it does!! I can adjust for sun, clouds, indoor lighting, etc. I am going to try that first before I spend more money on a new camera. But if it doesn't work (or when this camera wears out) I think I will buy an Olympus next :~> Thanks so much to everyone for their suggestions!! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 11:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EF4YsU015233 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:04:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EF3uao070976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EF3sjB078982; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EF3kmP078812 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1c9.3328026d (15862) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R45 (fwm-r45.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.149]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df6434fc8c762; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:03:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:03:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8C79EE795C35914-12FC-111A2@FWM-R45.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200510131409.j9DE8pZf058970@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R45.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.149) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:03:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200510131409.j9DE8pZf058970@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.149 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pleated smocks/shifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The teacher of the class last weekend had pictures showing a progression. In the earlier stuff, you see really tiny pleats sewn to a band of trim, starting in the 1490s, as I recall. Then the embroidery moved from the band of trim to the pleatwork itself. I think she said the stitches resembled naalbinding and were used to hold the pleats in place. She had several examples of where she'd done some of this work and gotten results that looked just like the paintings. In later periods, in order to get more fabric to pleat to the high necks, they moved the sleeves down the body, forgot about shoulder seams entirely, and pleated the torso part of the shirt right into the neck. That's what those Henry VIII portraits show. After that, during Elizabeth's reign, the need for more fabric to pleat and less bulk under more form-fitting styles led to the creation of separate collars and cuffs, and pleatwork pretty much went out of style. This teacher had a three-inch binder full of full-page images of what she was talking about. She had blown some of the pictures up to life-size and figured out how many pleats per inch and how much fabric would have had to go into the necklines of these smocks, and it was yards and yards pleated into a 16-inch neckline. She said she couldn't get linen fine enough to do that, so her smocks were made of cotton lawn. She really ought to write a book. She had done a lot of work, and it was fascinating. Regarding the Mary of Hungary dress, that smocked blouse looks like it would have a pattern like the one on Dawn's website: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/chemise.htm. According to this teacher's timeline, this pattern would have been developed in order to get more fabric to pleat across the front. I don't think she had any extant examples of the Henry VIII shirt, but she did have references to other historians who thought the same thing she did, and it sure made a lot of sense the way she presented it, as one of the final stages of an evolution. ::disclaimer:: I'm a rank newbie reporting what I learned last weekend, so I apologize if I got any of it wrong. I'll get my materials from the class this weekend and make a better report. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 12:08:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EG8Z0C016853 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EG773U079889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EG6uoN025654; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from charlevoix.vervehosting.com (charlevoix.vervehosting.com [209.50.239.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EB1CLK058011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jen@verybigdesign.com) Received: from cpe-65-189-43-237.cinci.res.rr.com ([65.189.43.237] helo=[192.168.2.4]) by charlevoix.vervehosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EQNJG-00056k-4X for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:01:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) References: <200510141024.j9EANiA4044888@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <691F9B01-EB5D-4572-A8CB-43593E3A9F44@verybigdesign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jen funk segrest Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:01:04 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - charlevoix.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - verybigdesign.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 658 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hello all, > > I would like to ask your help in finding a digital camera brand > that gives > good color representation when photographing fabrics. > > I have had 2 Canon digital cameras now and neither of them is good at > capturing fabric colors. Since I have to put pictures on my > website that > represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures > and have > them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). > > If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! I'm a graphic designer and avid photobug but I find myself correcting almost every shot taken, in some way. Digitals, and any camera really, are very bad in museum settings where lighting is usually low or directed the wrong way than what you need it. No camera is perfect at capturing colors, lighting is a big reason, you will need to probably acquire a program like photoshop or photoshop elements to color correct the photos when you return. I suggest you buy a pantone book, or simliar color chip book, and use it as a reference and note it in person. When you get home you can use that color number reference to refer to to color correct your shots, but know that ALL Monitors are calibrated differently and it will appear slightly different computer to computer. griz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 12:10:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EGA0Y4016885 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EG9ADN080162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EG95s8027450; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EEKJrD047032 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.d9.2fcc0c93 (15865) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R45 (fwm-r45.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.149]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9434fbe93271; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:20:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8C79EE18100634C-12FC-10C3C@FWM-R45.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200510130511.j9D5BHio043229@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R45.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.149) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:20:03 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200510130511.j9D5BHio043229@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.149 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:37:50 -0500 >From: "Marc Carlson" >Subject: [h-cost] RE: KWCS report? >I have now gotten to meet Kass face to face, which was nice since we've >intermittantly corresponded for years (we'd been at MTA one year at the same >time, but didn't know who the other was). Marc, I should warn you that in her German class, Kass said, "Marc's going to make me a pair of shoes. He might not know it yet, but he's going to." :) Tea Rose P.S. I'll get the pleatwork info up this weekend; I don't have it with me here at work. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 12:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EGADed016890 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:10:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EG9iaA080293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EG9cM0027977; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gw1.unr.edu (gw1.unr.edu [134.197.1.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EFWStv000276 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from daniel@fenwick.sparks.nv.us) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D838B22 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.unr.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw1.it.unr.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06742-01-61 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wrb2006alaptop (wrb2006a-laptop.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.150]) by gw1.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECCA38AFC for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:32:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcXQzRPcEjBdhfFRQLWZaiZLYUnhVAABbp6g In-Reply-To: <1062.67.188.164.116.1129300981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Message-Id: <20051014153226.3ECCA38AFC@gw1.unr.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gw1.unr.edu X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Hi Diana, > > I have a Sony Cyber Shoot 3,2 mill. pixels camera. > > In stability it works very well. I have had it for 5 years > soon, and i > > have used it frequently. It takes good closeup pictures. > > But it has a problem with the blue colours. It does not capture the > > right blue tones. > > That has been one of the problems with mine! > > Someone just pointed out to me that my camera might have a > "light balance setting" and it does!! I can adjust for sun, > clouds, indoor lighting, etc. I am going to try that first > before I spend more money on a new camera. But if it doesn't > work (or when this camera wears out) I think I will buy an > Olympus next :~> A few more things to consider with digital photography. You absolutely need to have good color management on your computer if you are going to get accurate color in your output. At the least, get good color calibration software and hardware and use it regularly. The idea is that what you see on the screen is then an accurate representation of what your output will be. With that, you can adjust to get color to match the original. If you are using Photoshop, work in Adobe RGB if your camera can take pictures in it. (If it can't look for one that can.) Even better is Adobe RGB and 16 bit color. This gives you a lot more latitude before you start getting banding and posterization. For use on the web, after you get done color correcting and editing, convert the image to sRGB. Once it's converted, use the Save for Web function. Watch the settings here, too. This will give you the best chance of having people on the web get an accurate idea of the colors. To make things a little easier, shoot a picture of something that is stark white or even better one of the black, gray, white cards you can get from a good photo store under the same lighting you're going to use for the pictures of the fabric. If possible, set everything up, lay the card on the fabric, shoot the picture of the card, remove the card and shoot the fabric, costume, etc. Then color correct the first frame so you have the white perfectly white, the black perfectly black and the gray as neutral gray. Then apply the same color correction settings to each of your other images and they'll be corrected for the lighting. A good book on color management and photo correcting/editing will give you much more detail on how all of this works. Dan (sometimes costumer, sometimes photographer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 14:42:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EIgEVg020668 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EIf8TW004069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EIf2JM044304; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EIew4A044258 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 00A3B5EE016 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c5d0ee$dc1a4470$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:41:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] habit francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a question about colours for the habit francaise arround 1770ies. Must the waistcoat always be of lighter colour than the jacket? I was so fortunate to find a ribbed silk today in dusty rose colour. It is a Armani silk. Naturally i baught the whole rest wich was 6,30 meters. I thoaght it would be nice with a darker grey coloured waistcoat. Make grey embroidery on the dusty rose jacket and dusty rose embroidery on the grey waistcoat? I dont think i have seen other pictures with darker waistcoat, except for a black one wich went with black breeches and black jacket. Any ideas? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 15:20:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EJKj1F021636 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:20:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EJIlru009270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJIiTi071832; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJIdMU071677 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FC13CEB1 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:18:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:18:47 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. What would you do? Any time, any place... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 15:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EJQPnS021753 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EJQ8dc010178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJQ6BB077224; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJQ14t077047 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.105.6aeb6c12 (15876) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D26 (fwm-d26.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.2]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0443500640245; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:25:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:25:52 -0400 Message-Id: <8C79F0C396D5A08-D98-14322@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:25:52 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.2 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would use it to make 16th century British dresses for my daughters. Not nobility, merchant class I suppose. I say this without knowing if the shade you have is compatible with that time period, but if it is what I am thinking, then that is what I would do. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:18:47 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. What would you do? Any time, any place... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 15:45:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EJjfTU022273 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EJj5s4012660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJj3V0091226; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJivc0091072 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.9]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:42:21 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> thread-index: AcXQ9EblKhrVpTSGQma0lYK8tmp5MAAAyOKg Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 19:42:22.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[65179130:01C5D0F7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Probably another houppelande, (first one went to my wedding...) but this time with a train and floor length sleeve, and the gold foil/bezant/spangles on the outside of the sleeves! Betsy (gotta pic here somewhere..) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. What would you do? Any time, any place... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 15:46:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EJk6kF022293 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:46:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EJjhF3012766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EJji9S091799; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9EJjEb7091359 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 3953 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 12:44:52 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3929, pid: 3942, t: 2.4787s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 12:44:50 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051014124324.03915190@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:45:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:18 PM 10/14/2005, you wrote: >I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between >emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt >weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > >What would you do? Any time, any place... > >Dawn Oh, boy! I'd make a middle-class Elizabethan gown and/or a nice day dress for 1840s California. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 16:08:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EK8lLR022921 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EK8Eea015845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EK8AWW008375; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9EK85Th008244 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2658 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 20:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 20:07:59 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051014210028.01d0e3b0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:02:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise In-Reply-To: <000b01c5d0ee$dc1a4470$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000b01c5d0ee$dc1a4470$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:41 14/10/2005, you wrote: >I have a question about colours for the habit francaise arround 1770ies. >Must the waistcoat always be of lighter colour than the jacket? >I was so fortunate to find a ribbed silk today in dusty rose colour. It is a >Armani silk. Naturally i baught the whole rest wich was 6,30 meters. I >thoaght it would be nice with a darker grey coloured waistcoat. Make grey >embroidery on the dusty rose jacket and dusty rose embroidery on the grey >waistcoat? I dont think i have seen other pictures with darker waistcoat, >except for a black one wich went with black breeches and black jacket. >Any ideas? I have not seen, that I remember, any fashion plates showing a darker waistcoat. Nor any complete suits with darker waistcoats. But we don't know for sure. Maybe someone did wear it like that because, like you, he had a superb waistcoat to show off. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 16:20:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EKKRPV023270 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EKK0Ps020984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKJvF8016971; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKJrts016845 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:19:47 -0700 Message-ID: <435012FD.5050402@msn.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:20:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 20:19:47.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F83FB10:01C5D0FC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd make this gown: *http://tinyurl.com/9q5nv Sg *Dawn wrote: > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between > emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt > weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little > light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 16:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EKZLgE023705 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:35:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EKZ35b026519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKYtbv028134; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [69.94.31.86] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKYo3S028025 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j9EKYiK30090 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:34:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:34:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO um, ... send it to me? *grin* it sounds like lovely tunic and overgown type stuff. Althea On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Dawn wrote: > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between > emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt > weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a > little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 16:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9EKpt2Q024124 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:51:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EKpRUa029055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKpOUn041052; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EKpJkC040939 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07973CED4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:51:30 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Althea Turner wrote: > um, ... send it to me? *grin* > LOL! Well, I am willing to part with it for what I paid for it, which is pretty cheap, if anyone is interested. I've been looking at it for a year now and just can't get inspired. Dawn > it sounds like lovely tunic and overgown type stuff. > Althea > > > On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Dawn wrote: > >> I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between >> emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt >> weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a >> little light. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 17:12:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ELC41B024598 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ELBfSa031971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELBdaM055543; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ELBYCB055481 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28618 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 21:54:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:54:53 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <10808.162.119.64.110.1129324544.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald > and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I > thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... I would make a lovely cotehardie with as many panels as I can handle and a huge skirt! Warm and soft wool in dark green? Sounds heavenly! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 17:16:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ELGbu0024708 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:16:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ELGCll032438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELGBjn058488; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ELG7we058386 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 4605 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 21:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO your-f78bf48ce2.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@70.248.101.114 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 21:16:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.0.20051014161507.02b20dd0@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:15:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? In-Reply-To: <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:51 PM 10/14/2005, you wrote: >Althea Turner wrote: > >>um, ... send it to me? *grin* > >LOL! Well, I am willing to part with it for what I paid for it, >which is pretty cheap, if anyone is interested. I've been looking at >it for a year now and just can't get inspired. > > >Dawn Is it too late, or can I claim it? No matter what you spent on it. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 17:17:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ELHYN4024732 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ELHJRD032601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELHIg7059306; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ELHFnN059183 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 6981 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2005 21:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2005 21:17:09 -0000 Message-ID: <01d201c5d104$d81c60e0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net><1551.67.188.164.116.1129254026.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <434F2D6F.1000906@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:18:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana I would think color could be more related to whatever lighting you are using, rather than the camera. Have you tried using halogen lighting with any better result? There are also all sorts of programs (like Adobe Photoshop) that will tweak the color of the digital image quite a bit, you could play with the captured image to get it to match the fabric as you are looking at it in it's natural state and match it on your monitor. However, as Dawn pointed out, everyone's monitor's are set slightly differently, and there is no universal color standard as yet for monitor viewing of items on the web. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-digital camera opinions > Diana Habra wrote: > >> Since I have to put pictures on my website that >> represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures and have >> them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). >> >> If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! >> > > Well, your picture color is only as good as my monitor. So you can get an > expensive camera and tweak it to be perfect for you and it might be > something entirely different when everyone else views your site. > > Another $.02 , I've found that both my digital cameras and my scanners > have tended to err on the red end of the spectrum when the weather is > humid. I usually have to tweak the red down in summer, it doesn't seem to > be related to brand. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 17:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ELKpbx024814 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ELKZOn033095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELKVVc061441; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELKPBv061363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.208] (pool180-82.patriot.net [209.249.180.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9ELKI0m026600 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:20:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:18:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It definitely sounds like a good weight for a gown, any time any place. :-) Embellishement can turn it into a higher class. There's that wool mantua at the Met with the metallic embroidery. Lightweight wool is so wonderful for spring or fall outdoor events. It really depends on what you like to do as far as historic activities. It sounds lightweight enough for hoops, for mid-19th century. You didn't mention the width, but depending on the style/period you may be able to make more than one gown. For the second (or third) gown, you could overdye it a different shade. I once discovered, though, that a piece of wool was saturated with the color and would not take any more dye. After using color remover on it, it dyed perfectly. I do like the idea of matching gowns for girls, or you could make gowns for different time periods (if you don't want multiples in the same color). I got some wool like this when a local fabric store went out of business. It's a challis weight. At the moment it's packed away, ripening. :-) -Carol >>I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between >>emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt >>weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a >>little light. >> >>What would you do? Any time, any place... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 17:52:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ELqXHQ025554 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ELks2M036654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELkqSG079334; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ELkk9q079278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9ELkgOW030676 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:46:46 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:57:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn, I just got back from a wonderful three week vacation to England and Scotland with four other SCA friends. We saw castles. We saw cathedrals. We saw Palaces! We saw ordinary people's homes recreated from Anglo-Saxon times (Weald and Downland Open Air Museum) and Tudor Cottages. One thing all this did was to emphasize that we don't usually dress anywhere near warmly enough. So that lovely green light weight wool would be perfect once you have lined it with something to give it more drape and hand. What you choose to line it with will impact on how you can wear it in our usually air conditioned venues (air conditioned as in warmed or cooled to what we think of as comfortable). Stokesay Castle ... You haven't been cold until you have stood in the great hall listening to the little recorded voice for 10 minutes :-) just joking, but...) Wanda Pease Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. > > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald > and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I > thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 19:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ENAW13027070 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9EN9tn0046362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EN9nb4030731; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9EN9jQQ030704 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1DD5DED2 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IOD001U2GRGIP@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:50:03 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? In-reply-to: <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4350361B.1020806@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041215) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, ME! Not that I need 14 yards of green wool. However, I think I'd make doublet, trews, perhaps a tunic, and a cloak. The cloak, I'd line with a medium-weight linen; t-shirt weight does seem a bit on the light side. Roger Althea Turner wrote: > um, ... send it to me? *grin* > > it sounds like lovely tunic and overgown type stuff. > Althea > > > On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Dawn wrote: > >> I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between >> emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt >> weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a >> little light. >> >> What would you do? Any time, any place... >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 20:04:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F04jMl027727 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F04JAK051967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F04A8o056314; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F046nI056293 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so47461nzd for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NBoTEUu4YPjGq5obxDKEw0cU4TSQ7AHVGJz0xHHdmUEWalfG4/cVM0mAGTRY0a75NLmWTGlFICNsfy32UNauxi/2VJ3YM1SrIRWJ0NnSjId/zT74HgYSyv2QN8xGuMr09tJZDLbGadotEuxYJWKMM0WxutM2PYBk84SfwqZaVcE= Received: by 10.36.74.2 with SMTP id w2mr200142nza; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.80.1 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9F046nI056293 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>what would you do with 14 yards of wool? >Not that I need 14 yards of green wool. I would make livery for my butler, a matched set of footmen, the carriage keeper and, with the cabbage, dress the page or perhaps the groom's apprentice. Anywhere, anywhen. One should always remember to have well dressed staff. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 20:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F0xwZx028604 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F0xRfD056428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F0xLso081016; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F0xHx9080997 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5AA3D422 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:59:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] habit francaise Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051014210028.01d0e3b0@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I remember seeing once upon a time a medium green jacket with a dark red waistcoat. It had something to do with christmas but I can't say for sure of the date of the print. De -----Original Message----- At 19:41 14/10/2005, you wrote: >I have a question about colours for the habit francaise arround 1770ies. >Must the waistcoat always be of lighter colour than the jacket? >I was so fortunate to find a ribbed silk today in dusty rose colour. It is a >Armani silk. Naturally i baught the whole rest wich was 6,30 meters. I >thoaght it would be nice with a darker grey coloured waistcoat. Make grey >embroidery on the dusty rose jacket and dusty rose embroidery on the grey >waistcoat? I dont think i have seen other pictures with darker waistcoat, >except for a black one wich went with black breeches and black jacket. >Any ideas? I have not seen, that I remember, any fashion plates showing a darker waistcoat. Nor any complete suits with darker waistcoats. But we don't know for sure. Maybe someone did wear it like that because, like you, he had a superb waistcoat to show off. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 21:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F1BC1a028834 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F1Agqi057156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1AfZg085055; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1AbPg085031 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3740514FA2 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:10:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Go head with the cloaks. Sometimes a light weight cloak is just perfect for a early fall or spring cover. And for extra warmth you can snuggle with that special person under it. :) Or make one cloak using the same material as lining. Or http://oonagh.actewagl.net.au/my_loose_gown.htm Or I'll take it. :) (Like I really need more fabric :P) De -----Original Message----- I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. What would you do? Any time, any place... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 21:28:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F1SYw0029096 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F1SGuN059625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1SARO091417; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1S68w091346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F2x5bC010596 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:59:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:28:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510142128.00270.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 14 October 2005 3:18 pm, Dawn wrote: > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald > and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I > thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... Well, I don't know that green would be my preferred color (though it sounds like a very nice green) but I can think of a lot of things that could be made with it. A pair of wrap-around style apron-dresses (to be worn layered--there was a find at Birka that can be so interpreted). A new long gown (Viking style, of course) for me. A new tunic for my husband. A coat to wear over my non-green Viking garb..... -- Cathy Raymond "As a general rule, if end users want to smash something repeatedly with a sledgehammer, that's a sign of bad UI."--Bram Cohen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 21:30:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F1UQPn029157 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:30:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F1U68I059742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1U5vv092109; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1U19l092036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F310i1010639 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:01 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:29:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051014124324.03915190@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051014124324.03915190@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510142129.55472.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 14 October 2005 3:45 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: [snip] > Oh, boy! I'd make a middle-class Elizabethan gown and/or a nice day > dress for 1840s California. Now there's an idea. I do need another 1870's dress for the live action role-playing campaign I'm in.... How much did you say you're willing to accept for this fabric? -- Cathy Raymond "As a general rule, if end users want to smash something repeatedly with a sledgehammer, that's a sign of bad UI."--Bram Cohen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 21:45:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F1jbdl029432 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F1jIKk060783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1jHLx097481; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ENs7vp051909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 27120 invoked by uid 507); 15 Oct 2005 09:54:05 +1000 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 09:54:05 +1000 Message-ID: <015c01c5d11a$8d7b7380$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:47:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not the whole 14 yards, of course, but I've made a nice 1st century Roman tunica out of what seems to be exactly the same wool. I wear it over a close-fitting linen tunic, per a 1st century lady's grave clothes documented in Women in Roman Britain (L Allason Jones), with a couple of nice bronze fibulae. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald > and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought > I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 21:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F1tccU029590 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:55:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F1tLrr061384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1tKbS001123; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F1tGr1001081 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m240.in-tch.com [216.166.191.240]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9F1mEA25783 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005001c5d12c$626ffdc0$f0bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:01:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooooh..... That lightweight? I'd make a bliaut. Or maybe, I'd just roll around in it for a while (enjoying the ownership and all ;-) I'd embroider the hell out of it, too, in bands around the neck and sleeves.... I'd make a shirt out of some of the remainder, using the same geometric patterning of an English smock, and then, I'd embroider the hell out of it. Not sure if I'd do polychrome silks, or wools. Or I'd do an 18th century quilted petticoat. Or I'd make one of those 18th century jackets (curacaos?). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald > and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I > thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 22:26:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F2Qi1e030079 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F2QEdq063637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F2QBgK012559; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F2Q7T0012528 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.156.203] (dialup-4.249.156.203.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.156.203]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F2Q0Ys026013 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:26:01 -0700 Message-ID: <43506911.6000701@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:27:29 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO wfranz wrote: > No, ME! > > Not that I need 14 yards of green wool. Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you! However, it is exactly me! I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 23:11:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F3BI1o030865 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:11:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F3Av1G066896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F3AucC028441; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F3AqEj028407 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30F6834619 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:10:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:10:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43506911.6000701@oldwaylane.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Venice dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Belle, http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg Can a dress like this be made with only 5 yds/60"wide in a size 24/26? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 14 23:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F3BIgB030866 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F3Avxw066897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F3Au0C028442; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F3AqgT028389 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.12c.68596eac (57341) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.68596eac.3081cd2e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:10:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/14/2005 10:26:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes: Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you! However, it is exactly me! I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol Nothing I need or want, so this is totally disinterested, but sounds like a lottery to me! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 00:06:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F46nHF031719 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:06:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F466iB070711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F45xXi046666; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9F45uXA046614 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 7264 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2005 04:05:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=38hsUUaMj9lZsD7ychGeHhlorFKF/3qP2yACxbFJpU0NXV4NAVvRW5rCAiBA6VsZZKljegRZ+Dz2spD+ilZ3aZACKNG14lezm5tExUE7muGehH20Q2RPuCtcwAQkWJE2GIA8KUxUDKGLOZ7O9gvFiKTSBbifdpDMbk5/2CFoXmg= ; Message-ID: <20051015040551.7262.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.250] by web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:05:51 EST Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:05:51 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >>>Belle, http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg Can a dress like this be made with only 5 yds/60"wide in a size 24/26?<<< Speaking to me? :-) Let's see. That width is one and a half times the average width for fabric, so add half of the total length to the 5 yards you have and you get the equivalent of 7 and a half yards of fabric. I'd say tentatively, yes, that would be sufficient, BUT it depends on how tall you are, and if the fabric is figured or not. If you have to match a pattern you may be out of luck. You'll need the length of waist point to neckline in length for bodice (maybe 50cm/20" - shoulder straps can be cut from scraps), so you may be able, with careful placement, to use up about 125cm/ very roughly 50" or 1.5 yards for both bodice and sleeves across the full width of the fabric, since the sleeves are of a fairly fabric efficient style. That would leave you 3.5 yards in length for the skirt, which would be enough if you are short and don't require a train - the skirt would have to be three panels of fabric no longer than 105cm or just over a yard/41" long. That would give you a hem circumference of 3 x 60" = 180" or 5 yards - enough for a full-looking skirt, in my opinion. You could make the skirt fuller at the back and less so at the sides/front by using one panel (selvedge to selvedge) between side back openings (leave selvedges open at top) and one on each side/front. This is of course for a front split skirt as seen in the pic. personally I don't like a centre front seam for closed skirts, but if you do, you could use the fabric the same way as for split-skirt. I'm going from memory here, but I'm fairly certain I used about 5m of the same width fabric for my black velvet dress and sleeves, and I was about a size 20/22 Australian at the time, which I think equates to a 24 US sizing. I am 5' 3". :-) Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ***The September Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm ©Any intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: tearoses@aol.com >Marc, I should warn you that in her German class, Kass said, "Marc's going >to make me a pair of >shoes. He might not know it yet, but he's going to." :) Not if she doesn't get in touch with me He's not :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 01:19:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F5JN65000306 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F5IiWq075134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F5IXXM070506; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F5ITq0070458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 23724 invoked by uid 507); 15 Oct 2005 15:18:27 +1000 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 15:18:27 +1000 Message-ID: <01a801c5d147$dd5a6820$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051015040551.7262.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice dress Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:18:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's the other way. 20-22 AU size would be 16-18 US. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" > I'm going from memory here, but I'm fairly certain I used about 5m of the > same width fabric for my black velvet dress and sleeves, and I was about a > size 20/22 Australian at the time, which I think equates to a 24 US > sizing. I am 5' 3". :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 04:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9F8Ujs0020008 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9F8U9iE087043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F8U2ss033912; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9F8TvIh033834 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 17046262862 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004001c5d162$ab314420$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:30:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have run trough all of my books, and i think that it is not used. So i have to stick to a naturally off white silk waistcoat. Most important thing is to find nice colours to embroider it with, and it should not be so difficult. Thanks for your oppinions................ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] habit francaise >I remember seeing once upon a time a medium green jacket with a dark red > waistcoat. It had something to do with christmas but I can't say for sure > of > the date of the print. > > De > -----Original Message----- > At 19:41 14/10/2005, you wrote: > >>I have a question about colours for the habit francaise arround 1770ies. >>Must the waistcoat always be of lighter colour than the jacket? >>I was so fortunate to find a ribbed silk today in dusty rose colour. It is > a >>Armani silk. Naturally i baught the whole rest wich was 6,30 meters. I >>thoaght it would be nice with a darker grey coloured waistcoat. Make grey >>embroidery on the dusty rose jacket and dusty rose embroidery on the grey >>waistcoat? I dont think i have seen other pictures with darker waistcoat, >>except for a black one wich went with black breeches and black jacket. >>Any ideas? > > > I have not seen, that I remember, any fashion plates showing a darker > waistcoat. Nor any complete suits with darker waistcoats. But we > don't know for sure. Maybe someone did wear it like that because, > like you, he had a superb waistcoat to show off. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 09:51:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FDpIln004952 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:51:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FDoe3A025017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FDoUta044101; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FDoOEp044019 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.9]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:47:48 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:50:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <12c.68596eac.3081cd2e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcXRNiKr8MnM4Nv5QDKbig0/inazogAWNN1g Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2005 13:47:48.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[0743CEA0:01C5D18F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will include myself _out_, as I was recently gifted with a considerable number of yards of a blue/blue foliate jacquard that apparently ran afoul of a forklift while still on the bolt... a big repeating tear, but very close to the selvage, so there is plenty to salvage! Betsy (It's good to have friends in the upholstery biz) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? In a message dated 10/14/2005 10:26:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes: Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you! However, it is exactly me! I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol Nothing I need or want, so this is totally disinterested, but sounds like a lottery to me! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 12:24:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FGOC8N007355 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FGNawq035940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FGNXGv004343; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.198.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FGNUrB004293 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005101516232401400l33kke>; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:24 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.118; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:24 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:24 +0000 Message-Id: <101520051623.18251.43512CFC000008850000474B22007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd love the contact information, too, please? Thank you, Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Sounds like it was well worth the trip. Thank you for sharing. If I > may ask... would you also share the pleat work contact information... > I don't want to swamp the poor lady ; > but I would love to see what > she has found. > > Many thanks, > Mari / Bridgette > > > > > And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. > Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- > something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam > but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and > I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had > documentation of what you were talking about. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 12:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FGQYCK007406 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:26:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FGQKmA036186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FGQKwF005584; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FGLOtH003408 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005101516211801300ofekle>; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:21:18 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.118; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:21:18 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:21:18 +0000 Message-Id: <101520051621.15824.43512C7D000DDFA200003DD022007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I'd love this pattern as well. I'm leaning more and more towards the later periods in fashion (as opposed to the SCA periods) and actually want to start making the garments. I've already bought all the McCain patterns and have the materials for these. But I don't have a mantua pattern... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Michaela > > I have the pattern cut for this mantua also if you are interrested. From the > small catalogue womens fashion from 1600 1750. I baught this many years ago > on Victoria & Albert, my very first visit to London. > Let me know if i can help you with this. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michaela" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:51 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua > > > >> The English mantua you refer to is in a book > >> called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise > >> Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. > >> Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the > >> mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. > > > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as > > opposed > > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html > > Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. > > Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. > > Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. > > I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date > > of > > the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube > > basically. > > The text I can make out says: > > "... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was > > established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is > > occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the > > 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum." > > (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) > > "13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) > > The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which > > filled the space in the front of the bodice." > > (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. > > > > I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has > > a > > fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > > think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. > > I > > seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but > > there is no info on their site. > > > > > > regards, > > michaela de bruce > > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: > > 11/10/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 13:47:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHlfk6008925 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FHlDsf041979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FHlAj4039172; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FHkvBg039057 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8B23FD5A for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb39.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.433b4707.d8557 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DUUCQZstE7gIAAAAB,3ff558287edc94980c2cf5091a82c8ff Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051015104656.9F8027FB@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on the web, where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but unfortunately no dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know how many portraits were painted at just the right angle to not let you see what is on under their coats and jabots? Nearly every blasted one!!!! ) However, I did find this portrait - http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=bach&LinkID=mp05038&rNo=0&role=sit which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. So, what you wish to do, Bjarne, while being uncommon ( as far as we can tell ), doesn't seem to be completely unlikely. My 2c worth. Joannah. --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:30:11 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise Hi, I have run trough all of my books, and i think that it is not used. So i have to stick to a naturally off white silk waistcoat. Most important thing is to find nice colours to embroider it with, and it should not be so difficult. Thanks for your oppinions................ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] habit francaise >I remember seeing once upon a time a medium green jacket with a dark red > waistcoat. It had something to do with christmas but I can't say for sure > of > the date of the print. > > De > -----Original Message----- > At 19:41 14/10/2005, you wrote: > >>I have a question about colours for the habit francaise arround 1770ies. >>Must the waistcoat always be of lighter colour than the jacket? >>I was so fortunate to find a ribbed silk today in dusty rose colour. It is > a >>Armani silk. Naturally i baught the whole rest wich was 6,30 meters. I >>thoaght it would be nice with a darker grey coloured waistcoat. Make grey >>embroidery on the dusty rose jacket and dusty rose embroidery on the grey >>waistcoat? I dont think i have seen other pictures with darker waistcoat, >>except for a black one wich went with black breeches and black jacket. >>Any ideas? > > > I have not seen, that I remember, any fashion plates showing a darker > waistcoat. Nor any complete suits with darker waistcoats. But we > don't know for sure. Maybe someone did wear it like that because, > like you, he had a superb waistcoat to show off. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 13:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHuNBd009112 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FHp2s1042276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FHp2R0040670; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FHoxMi040616 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:50:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:50:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.53] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510151622.j9FGLUQP003495@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:50:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2005 17:50:53.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCDFECB0:01C5D1B0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: what would you do with 14 yards of wool? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hosen Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 13:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHxsnI009159 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FHxbrr043256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FHxaJk044002; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9FHxTdL043922 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35683 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2005 17:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2005 17:59:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015185733.01cf6590@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:59:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise In-Reply-To: <20051015104656.9F8027FB@dm22.mta.everyone.net> References: <20051015104656.9F8027FB@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:46 15/10/2005, you wrote: >This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on >the web, where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but >unfortunately no dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know >how many portraits were painted at just the right angle to not let >you see what is on under their coats and jabots? Nearly every >blasted one!!!! ) > >However, I did find this portrait - >http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=bach&LinkID=mp05038&rNo=0&role=sit >which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. I may be able to go and have a quick look at this on Tuesday, Bjarne, if you can wait that long. I have a suspicion that what shows is the lining of the coat, but if they have the portrait on display I will be able to get a better idea. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 14:00:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FI0jXl009176 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:00:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FI0Rjh043471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FI0Rpw044533; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FI0M2a044489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.79] (pool180-138.patriot.net [209.249.180.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9FI0E9T005296 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:00:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:59:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] RE: what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Hosen > >Marc With 14 yards? You must have really long legs! Or are you casting an entire forest full of "Robin Hood: Men in Hosen"? :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 14:26:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FIQ4A8009600 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FIKjv8045411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:20:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FIKhJY052829; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FIKeow052796 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 174D634BA2 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:20:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Venice dress Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:20:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20051015040551.7262.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah. I'm 5'7 3/4", short waist, long legs. I have 5 yds (maybe a little over)of a cotton blend yellow brocade that seems to say "Italian". I haven't made a mock up yet and was wondering whether to make something at my size or give it to a friend who is petite and thin or save it in hopes of loosing the inches. Thank you. De -----Original Message----- Speaking to me? :-) Let's see. That width is one and a half times the average width for fabric, so add half of the total length to the 5 yards you have and you get the equivalent of 7 and a half yards of fabric. I'd say tentatively, yes, that would be sufficient, BUT it depends on how tall you are, and if the fabric is figured or not. If you have to match a pattern you may be out of luck. You'll need the length of waist point to neckline in length for bodice (maybe 50cm/20" - shoulder straps can be cut from scraps), so you may be able, with careful placement, to use up about 125cm/ very roughly 50" or 1.5 yards for both bodice and sleeves across the full width of the fabric, since the sleeves are of a fairly fabric efficient style. That would leave you 3.5 yards in length for the skirt, which would be enough if you are short and don't require a train - the skirt would have to be three panels of fabric no longer than 105cm or just over a yard/41" long. That would give you a hem circumference of 3 x 60" = 180" or 5 yards - enough for a full-looking skirt, in my opinion. You could make the skirt fuller at the back and less so at the sides/front by using one panel (selvedge to selvedge) between side back openings (leave selvedges open at top) and one on each side/front. This is of course for a front split skirt as seen in the pic. personally I don't like a centre front seam for closed skirts, but if you do, you could use the fabric the same way as for split-skirt. I'm going from memory here, but I'm fairly certain I used about 5m of the same width fabric for my black velvet dress and sleeves, and I was about a size 20/22 Australian at the time, which I think equates to a 24 US sizing. I am 5' 3". :-) Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 15:15:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FJFXjf010452 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:15:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FJEx8w050465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FJEvXj075226; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FJErsQ075180 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.233]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D62AB5EE028 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000401c5d1bc$bbed38f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051015104656.9F8027FB@dm22.mta.everyone.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051015185733.01cf6590@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:14:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Joannah and Suzi, Thanks for your inputs, i also found one in Ribeiro's Fashion in England and Fracem a spanish country park scene, a gentleman is wearing a red suit with green waistcoat. But i have ben interrested in court suit wearm and i think it is a must with off white waistcoat. Could have ben pretty with a medium grey with my dusty rose, but off white will also be nice. I intent to embroider myself a new court suit, and i draft embroidery patterns right now, so fun. I think i will combine it so that i make the cuffs off white also. The match depends on the colours i use for the embroidery. I was so fortunate to find a Armani ribbed silk in dusty red lilacs. As it was the last lot, 6,30 meter, i got it for 230,00 kr, a meter. They told me the original price is 1000,00 kr a meter. Perhaps i make a wreath of rosebuds in dusty rose on the waistcoat and an old rose wreath of rosebuds on the jacket. More red than the fabric, Please dont make any fuss about the portrait you found, it is the whole, that lighter waistcoats was used that matters to me. Thanks for your replyes!!!:-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise > At 18:46 15/10/2005, you wrote: >>This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on the web, >>where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but unfortunately no >>dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know how many portraits were >>painted at just the right angle to not let you see what is on under their >>coats and jabots? Nearly every blasted one!!!! ) >> >>However, I did find this portrait - >>http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=bach&LinkID=mp05038&rNo=0&role=sit >>which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. > > > I may be able to go and have a quick look at this on Tuesday, Bjarne, if > you can wait that long. I have a suspicion that what shows is the lining > of the coat, but if they have the portrait on display I will be able to > get a better idea. > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 16:57:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FKvf6w012278 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FKq9dX058422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FKpw1O016356; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FKpsXf016320 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz ([203.96.152.177]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IOF00C135YH25@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:51:53 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-181.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.181]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6F59ED974 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:51:52 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:53:18 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice dress In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43516C3E.1010300@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Belle, > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/LicinioWWBook.jpg > Can a dress like this be made with only 5 yds/60"wide in a size 24/26? Yes, certainly. I made a very similar one out of somewhat less fabric and I wear about a 20-22. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 17:03:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FL3tQh012385 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:03:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9FL3TCZ059375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FL3Svd021087; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9FL3Po1020999 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3150210186 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26555-01-34 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8501E2101B6 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c5d1cb$da5ab0b0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:03:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:11 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? > > > In a message dated 10/14/2005 10:26:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes: > > Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you! > However, it is exactly me! > I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol > Mmmm....green and wool! That's PERFECT for me!!! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 23:17:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9G3HuN0018511 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9G3HPWn092117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3HJh8060667; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3HG0h060653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0242.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.242]:1281 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EQz1O-0006rJ-Gv for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:11 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO have you sold it yet, and how much is the bidding up to? LOL Dawn wrote: > Althea Turner wrote: > >> um, ... send it to me? *grin* >> > > LOL! Well, I am willing to part with it for what I paid for it, which is > pretty cheap, if anyone is interested. I've been looking at it for a > year now and just can't get inspired. > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 23:17:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9G3HubZ018515 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9G3Hc4H092169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3HdIi060803; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3HZlR060784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0242.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.242]:1290 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EQz1i-0007I2-Qw for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <4351C63B.30706@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:15 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 658 References: <200510141024.j9EANiA4044888@net.indra.com> <691F9B01-EB5D-4572-A8CB-43593E3A9F44@verybigdesign.com> In-Reply-To: <691F9B01-EB5D-4572-A8CB-43593E3A9F44@verybigdesign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO jen funk segrest wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I would like to ask your help in finding a digital camera brand that >> gives >> good color representation when photographing fabrics. >> >> I have had 2 Canon digital cameras now and neither of them is good at >> capturing fabric colors. Since I have to put pictures on my website >> that >> represent the true fabric colors, I really want to take pictures and >> have >> them be correct without lots of altering (like I have to do now). >> >> If you have any opinions or experience, please share it! > > > I'm a graphic designer and avid photobug but I find myself correcting > almost every shot taken, in some way. Digitals, and any camera really, > are very bad in museum settings where lighting is usually low or > directed the wrong way than what you need it. > > No camera is perfect at capturing colors, lighting is a big reason, you > will need to probably acquire a program like photoshop or photoshop > elements to color correct the photos when you return. > > I suggest you buy a pantone book, or simliar color chip book, and use > it as a reference and note it in person. When you get home you can use > that color number reference to refer to to color correct your shots, > but know that ALL Monitors are calibrated differently and it will > appear slightly different computer to computer. > > griz this is a fastinating thread, since photography and computer graphics are a subject I enjoy very much. thank you for your insight. I'm saving the whole thread. thanks, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 23:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9G3IXOW018523 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9G3IG8D092343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3IGlm061037; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3Hj0C060834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0242.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.242]:1297 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EQz1o-0000dG-63 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:48 -0400 Message-ID: <4351C647.10604@floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:17:27 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <8C79F0C396D5A08-D98-14322@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C79F0C396D5A08-D98-14322@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A dress or two, I'd love to have a wool dress in green, and I think my granddaughters would love it too. LOL it sounds like it would look beautiful and feel wonderful. Kitty > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:18:47 -0500 > Subject: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? > > > I've got 14 yards of plain medium-dark green (somewhere between emerald and forest) wool. It's lovely and soft and about t-shirt weight. I thought I might make cloaks out of it, but it seems a little light. > > What would you do? Any time, any place... > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 15 23:34:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9G3Y1vh018743 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9G3Xe3m095046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3XdZH066153; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G3XaAG066123 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5593C942 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:33:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4351CA2E.9030002@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:34:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty Felton wrote: > have you sold it yet, and how much is the bidding up to? LOL > I believe I have found a home for it, yes. :) At least it will go to someone who will love it, and I can move on to something more inspiring for me. Although I was tempted by the livery idea.... Dawn > Dawn wrote: > >> Althea Turner wrote: >> >>> um, ... send it to me? *grin* >>> >> >> LOL! Well, I am willing to part with it for what I paid for it, which >> is pretty cheap, if anyone is interested. I've been looking at it for >> a year now and just can't get inspired. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 00:06:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9G46VCD019252 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9G4683M001078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G4670T077645; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9G464MU077619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0242.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.242]:1478 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EQzmg-0007y1-DV for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <4351D1A8.9020903@floodcity.net> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:06:00 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> <4351CA2E.9030002@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4351CA2E.9030002@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rats, I've been longing for a nice wool dress for church this winter. I wear psudo period stuff to church, and even around the house sometimes. Mostly prairie. LOL thanks anyway. Kitty Dawn wrote: > Kitty Felton wrote: > >> have you sold it yet, and how much is the bidding up to? LOL >> > > I believe I have found a home for it, yes. :) At least it will go to > someone who will love it, and I can move on to something more inspiring > for me. Although I was tempted by the livery idea.... > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 12:38:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GGctT0023213 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GGcI2J069516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GGbvi8037808; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GGbsma037746 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F893CEDA for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43528205.1000408@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:38:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> <4351CA2E.9030002@reddawn.net> <4351D1A8.9020903@floodcity.net> In-Reply-To: <4351D1A8.9020903@floodcity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty Felton wrote: > Rats, I've been longing for a nice wool dress for church this winter. I > wear psudo period stuff to church, and even around the house sometimes. > > Mostly prairie. LOL thanks anyway. Kitty Well, fabric.com has wool crepe in a variety of nice fall colors for $6.49 a yard.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 16:41:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GKf4VN027941 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GKeFYQ087747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GKdvLC036227; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GKdoC5036181 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.144] (pm5-144.eos.net [205.133.149.144]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9GKdmdo024137 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:39:49 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:29:32 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter is re-reading the Anne of Green Gables books for the third or fourth time. She wants to know what the dress with "puffed sleeves" that Anne longs for as a child would look like. I am not familiar with that period. I know, I know, I can look it up. But I thought someone here might know off the top of his/her head. Thanks in advance! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 17:13:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GLDM5x028599 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:13:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GLCvTI090208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GLCtT7050186; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GLCqtT050167 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so504986wri for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rBPPoam5TtCq7ksCVTcUpc7nFxsE6vxaEBVVn2p2w3bCXa796aIwr+h9RMn2jKOg0nSRLk3Ym5Rxgs0NXKF+9FZ8YLK2osmKT76gv0Mfprgtw6PKnbrK3n/nsuQ33fxOUFBbTEHrN4AtP3uXn076tKoWx97Fqnps2zplULp4um4= Received: by 10.54.34.30 with SMTP id h30mr1611586wrh; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:12:52 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9GLDM5x028599 Status: RO What Anne so dearly longs for is "leg o' mutton" sleeves. Just google it. The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. Bice On 10/16/05, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > My daughter is re-reading the Anne of Green Gables books for the third or > fourth time. She wants to know what the dress with "puffed sleeves" that > Anne longs for as a child would look like. I am not familiar with that > period. I know, I know, I can look it up. But I thought someone here might > know off the top of his/her head. > > Thanks in advance! > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 19:23:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GNNMGT030895 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:23:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GNMj9B000567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GNMdw2003389; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9GNMZN1003345 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-55.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.55]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2005 07:22:27 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:30:28 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There has been a lot of discussion of Anne of Green Gables outfits on this board: http://forums.sensibility.com/index.php Cheers, Aylwen ------------------------------------------------- http://www.regencyreproductions.com ------------------------------------------------- Jacqueline Johnson wrote: >What Anne so dearly longs for is "leg o' mutton" sleeves. Just google it. >The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with >Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these >books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. > >Bice > >On 10/16/05, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > >>My daughter is re-reading the Anne of Green Gables books for the third or >>fourth time. She wants to know what the dress with "puffed sleeves" that >>Anne longs for as a child would look like. I am not familiar with that >>period. I know, I know, I can look it up. But I thought someone here might >>know off the top of his/her head. >> >>Thanks in advance! >> >>Gail Finke >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 20:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H0GXft031809 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H0GA2t005369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H0G7YY024520; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H0G1xS024412 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.55.7deaf908 (4402) for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <55.7deaf908.30844738@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO !4 yards. 60" wide? Lord ...make yourself a nice, smart looking redingote you can wear out today [even though it's Victorian]. That might take like 6 yards. Make that houpland if you must with the rest. You have enough to make a period and a modern garment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 21:06:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H16EgS032582 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H15Wrk010016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H15Ta1045550; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H15PmP045478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9H16ul7025629 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <4352F8E1.9050504@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:05:37 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <55.7deaf908.30844738@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <55.7deaf908.30844738@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Redingote (Was: what would you do with 14 yards of wool?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Speaking of the redingote, does anyone know if there's a pattern for a 1789 redingote, pictured here? http://www.fashion-era.com/images/Coats/red1789a.jpg I have some lovely wool that's been waiting for the right coat, and this is definitely it! Thanks, Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 21:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H1CXnZ032696 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:12:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H1CDJt010889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H1CCGu048457; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H1CAtR048449 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so515515wri for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JrIEMAs003PhSlNfoEaVmi7Hg9WPXH+LS5ZKfOkKJ3NL0i1agnhcZ7D9B9+ZgvLp8B34mAn4rXq/89MyI2s6s2xd2z4RadiBbiOvZv5bJanIwrIzt1GZeqv/UqlYABagYED9WcP3PQ5KvMaBVAvkzoWWta9dyudHUL8eqjNMXWA= Received: by 10.54.159.8 with SMTP id h8mr1653609wre; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510161812l8de19a2n775cae009da762e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:12:10 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redingote (Was: what would you do with 14 yards of wool?) In-Reply-To: <4352F8E1.9050504@wideopenwest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55.7deaf908.30844738@aol.com> <4352F8E1.9050504@wideopenwest.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9H1CXnZ032696 Status: RO Rocking Horse farms has a pattern I've used once. No groaning from the anti RHF contingent either *lol* It's not a pattern for someone who like step by step instructions but it's a good pattern. I want to say Sense and Sensability also has a pattern. Bice On 10/16/05, Michelle Plumb wrote: > > Speaking of the redingote, does anyone know if there's a pattern for a > 1789 redingote, pictured here? > > http://www.fashion-era.com/images/Coats/red1789a.jpg > > I have some lovely wool that's been waiting for the right coat, and this > is definitely it! > > Thanks, > Michelle > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 22:24:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H2ObYq001515 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H2O6oc017238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2O1Q5078861; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2NvM9078826 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 86133A1486; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.88.162.167.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.88.162.167]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 60162A12A6 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:40:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9H2ObYq001515 Status: RO I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. My vacuum has enough suction to pick up a bowling ball, but the little brush thinger that's supposed to pick up lint and so forth is pretty much useless. I have to use just the naked hose in order to get threads up, and even in a 2 bedroom apartment that gets very very tiring. Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? -E House, longing for hardwood floors... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 22:32:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H2WfbU001661 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H2WNm4018202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2WMsH082512; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2WJMC082491 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LUB23NTANK9I48NG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:32:14 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LUB23NV9BW8Z2WMN@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:32:14 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:32:14 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums In-reply-to: <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43530D2E.5050009@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: >I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. My vacuum has enough suction to pick up a bowling ball, but the little brush thinger that's supposed to pick up lint and so forth is pretty much useless. I have to use just the naked hose in order to get threads up, and even in a 2 bedroom apartment that gets very very tiring. > >Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? > > > No, but I'll lend you my stick and wad of sticky tape if you like. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 22:37:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H2bRU8001733 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:37:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H2bB8L019104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2bBAS084419; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2b7Xa084389 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so519938wri for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WVvMi/zUAdkMiK3cCMHU3knU8W0Cc9Vu9fdCCqzCJ6qjXZ/lgrTh77rNVHvszfU13YcMcsOSqOPpHZTPybyt6sAUzH9fFZgFJsJUZtiw80B6cGtux2lYtiUInSuDQpt0OTzcEwQbV7gyt0t8mvmU3FF5hj84JNbeTdW3BD+OChg= Received: by 10.54.147.11 with SMTP id u11mr334634wrd; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510161937w13594894gb169d4304e54b301@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:37:06 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums In-Reply-To: <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9H2bRU8001733 Status: RO I have an Orek. It manages to get everything from the floor even if the belt is broken. Which is almost all the time because I always try to fit the (&(() thing on myself instead letting the dealer do it. On 10/16/05, E House wrote: > > I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my > carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. My vacuum has enough > suction to pick up a bowling ball, but the little brush thinger that's > supposed to pick up lint and so forth is pretty much useless. I have to use > just the naked hose in order to get threads up, and even in a 2 bedroom > apartment that gets very very tiring. > > Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we > costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that > fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? > > -E House, longing for hardwood floors... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 22:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H2bX1X001739 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H2bGqW019112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2bF8L084444; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H2bBMS084417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9H2Uajf027199 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43530E55.80506@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:37:09 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of > stuff we costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? Have you tried an old-fashioned carpet sweeper? My vacuum works fine for these things, but I think the carpet sweeper may be a better solution if you don't want to get a new vacuum. (And if you do, check Consumer Reports first.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 16 23:14:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H3EPna002509 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H3E5Ig022894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H3E4Mu099861; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H3E1OM099843 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:14:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:14:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.23] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510161800.j9GI02ZI070169@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:14:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2005 03:14:01.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2232D20:01C5D2C8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: what would you do with 14 yards of wool? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carol Kocian > >Hosen > With 14 yards? You must have really long legs! Or are you >casting an entire forest full of "Robin Hood: Men in Hosen"? :-) My bad - I assumed the question was what someone might do with it. If it takes 14 yards to make someone a kirtle or a cloak, well... Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 00:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H45MVo003445 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:05:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H44uZw029423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H44q1v021891; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from twonetom18.sge.net (twonetom18.sge.net [152.91.2.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H44n1d021798 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@deh.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs15.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F34AB3A9 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetvs15.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0701815452 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:10:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetim3.sge.net (twonetim-vs.sge.net [152.91.2.9]) by twonetvs15.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E920E152C0 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:10:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by twonetim3.sge.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED448A9CF for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (mail-in.deh.bar.gwy [155.187.160.31]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id j9H4jBwV014033 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:45:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt ([155.187.66.20]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.12.10.Beta2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9H44fk6027761 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from parkes-05.deh.gov.au ([155.187.160.26]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:40 +1000 Received: from EA-MTA by parkes-05.deh.gov.au with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:40 +1000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:04:20 +1000 From: "Annette Wilson" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2005 04:04:40.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5C01080:01C5D2CF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] grading patterns to fit a very large man X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I need to make a 1580s doublet for a large man, chest measurement 60 inches. Being small myself, I have difficulty visualising the way very large pattern pieces work with the changing proportions of a large chest and belly but relatively small neck and arm sizes. I can make a duct tape wrap for this project, but I was wondering whether there is a book (or oneline resource) dealing with grading patterns beyond the sizes in most commercial patterns to help me in future construction. (He also would like a Zoot suit - for which commercial patterns are available, but not in his size) Thanks Annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 00:12:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H4CtjZ003552 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H4CY7d030042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H4CX4D025044; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H4CVWY025029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0206.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.206]:2890 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ERMMO-0004uk-AJ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <435324A9.3090909@floodcity.net> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:12:25 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? References: <43500497.3070509@reddawn.net> <3ECC5D21-DC29-406F-AB48-5866763C679E@alfalfapress.com> <43501A52.1070703@reddawn.net> <4351C637.2070304@floodcity.net> <4351CA2E.9030002@reddawn.net> <4351D1A8.9020903@floodcity.net> <43528205.1000408@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43528205.1000408@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Kitty Felton wrote: > >> Rats, I've been longing for a nice wool dress for church this winter. >> I wear psudo period stuff to church, and even around the house sometimes. >> >> Mostly prairie. LOL thanks anyway. Kitty > > > > Well, fabric.com has wool crepe in a variety of nice fall colors for > $6.49 a yard.... > > > > Dawn > I'll check that out, then of course I'll have to check out my checkbook. LOL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 01:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H57X6L004372 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:07:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H572UK034977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H570O3046260; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H56vYG046234 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gOdreGSnlhg2WU/zxuGHPYVVxzPLSe2YifTIUd9/pWnj9qe9H5qvOVxb2UYB0wnY; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.166.14.170] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ERND6-00021W-Ge for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:06:56 -0400 Message-ID: <02f901c5d2d8$b42f1300$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] grading patterns to fit a very large man Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:07:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd483ac3ac5bf8d234ff52a6866e042ba923a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.166.14.170 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] grading patterns to fit a very large man > Hi everyone, > I need to make a 1580s doublet for a large man, chest measurement 60 > inches. Being small myself, I have difficulty visualising the way very > large pattern pieces work with the changing proportions of a large > chest and belly but relatively small neck and arm sizes. (snip) Annette Hi Annette, I regularly make doublets for a rather large gentleman and learned a few things that may help you while drafting his patterns. First, I always drape his patterns rather than flat-patterning them. If you're not familiar with this method, you basically have him wear something formfitting and literally drape a large piece of fabric over and around him, cutting out the neck and armhole and pinching in tucks and darts until it begins to look like it fits. Start by fitting his (smaller) shoulders and neck area, either by starting with a pattern or garment that fits him well in this area, or by drafting a pattern. It's much easier to increase the chest and waist than to make the shoulders and neck smaller. Also, depending on his actual shape, you may notice that the front edges of the double will end up being curved to accomodate the larger chest/stomach area. Usually a style that has many vertical seams is easier to fit, because you can let out or take in the seams where you need the room. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 01:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H5HHri004519 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H5GUGu035719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H5GU3B049785; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9H5GP15049764 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26497 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 06:00:05 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:00:05 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1730.67.188.164.116.1129526432.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we > costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that > fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? I bought my Eureka Boss Smart Vac after I read that it got very good ratings in Consumer Reports. That was 2 years ago and the newer versions of the model are still top-rated by CR. It is a regular upright with a hose and several attachments. You can switch the suction from floor to hose. I would recommend it to anyone. The best part is that it has awesome suction and only costs around $140. I bought mine at Best Buy and when I went back there last week to get a replacement belt, I saw that they had the new Eureka Boss model. Hope that helps!! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 05:45:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H9jiNX024928 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H9jEQe069480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H9j7rS053897; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H9j3e8053805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92949510422 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28517-01-10 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B3A76510241 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c901c5d2ff$6cc52500$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" What Anne so dearly longs for is "leg o' mutton" sleeves. Just google it. The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. Bice I just saw the Anne of Green Gables movie last week--the old 30's one with "Anne Shirley" starring in it. I was watching eagerly for the "puffed sleeves" part--I was so disappointed with their depiction. (AND they made Diana Barry a blonde! A sacrilege!) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 05:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9H9oWNv025650 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9H9oFKf070181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H9oF02056026; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H9oB5s055973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9254D510427 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26780-01-27 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 559D7510107 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d401c5d300$241e8d90$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com><4352E294.6090603@earthlydelights.com.au> <016601c5d2c2$1a03c430$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:50:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. My vacuum has enough suction to pick up a bowling ball, but the little brush thinger that's supposed to pick up lint and so forth is pretty much useless. I have to use just the naked hose in order to get threads up, and even in a 2 bedroom apartment that gets very very tiring. Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? No cat hair here--but feathers and bird seed can wreak havoc on a vacuum! (And the Grey goes for distance when he flings...) And I have very long hair, which gets into everything and wraps nicely around the beater bar of a traditional vacuum. I had a Dirt Devil bagless that lasted more than most of the others (three years, I kill most vacuums in one) but right now I have a Kenmore canister vac I got from Free Cycle, and I LOVE it. -E House, longing for hardwood floors... Dianne And I could go for hardwood floors too! I actually rather enjoy vacuuming, but between the kids and the birds, the carpet just gets stained and dirty so fast! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 10:09:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HE9URv013125 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HE8sxZ007521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HE8if5067506; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HE8fZn067416 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.198.4918054d (16335) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <198.4918054d.30850a61@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] grading patterns to fit a very large man To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/17/2005 1:07:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: I regularly make doublets for a rather large gentleman I made two doublets for some guys about the size you mentioned [I called them quadruplets....but I'm BAD!] Anyway, the draping idea is an excellent one as everyone wears his weight in a different place. But instead of starting with just a piece of fabric to drape on the gentleman, I got a commercial vest pattern in his size and used it as a start to get a doublet body shape. I added the high neck and raised the bottom of the armseye a little...eliminated any darts, put the shoulder seams back a little....y'know. I was using Janet Arnold's book as a guide. Then I followed the measurements taken from the man to get the pattern as close as possible. TAKE A COMPLETE SET OF MEASUREMENTS!!!! You'll need ones like shoulder length, chest front, across back, Neck to waist CB and CF....all those things. Then make up a muslin of what you come up with and fit it on him. Cut it with ample seam allowances. I made mine with the period detail of no underarm seam....the front wrapped around to the side back. I DON'T recommend this. Makes it hard to fit on a large man. I did put some boning and canvas down the front though. That was helpful in making it look good. My CF closing curved too, just like in some real doublets. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 11:42:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HFgQsO015081 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:42:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HFfkEq018218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HFfgL5034416; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53315.mail.yahoo.com (web53315.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HFfaKS034328 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jauncourt@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12724 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 15:41:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u73+dw9fxbz3ocKkxtYe2/jJmLnWw9X7y4Ro5QQ20zTTkBkvREpbknBWFXHCJwL/NQQSwADu2Hnrtgl2g3cuSwtHsjSjOfvES9zM2kT5L07tTzXoj0O3aea7WYTxYEKOLleA7U0UPykMaQ96y9X2Ceu0rCNw7ATcUcmZiFtePPQ= ; Message-ID: <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.245.73.99] by web53315.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:41:31 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:41:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Branwyn Maura Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's version for an extra decade for the same reason). Now that it's AWOL (went missing in the move), we are also quite disappointed with most modern vacs. I'm likely going to purchase a non-electric brush sweeper for that. Fuller still makes them :) Maura __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 11:50:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HFo8xq015249 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:50:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HFnZVi019149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HFnWkd040778; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HFnRwU040592 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37823 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 15:49:20 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051017164643.01d50f88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:49:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums In-Reply-To: <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:41 17/10/2005, you wrote: >My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned >Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's >version for an extra decade for the same reason). Now >that it's AWOL (went missing in the move), we are also >quite disappointed with most modern vacs. > >I'm likely going to purchase a non-electric brush >sweeper for that. Fuller still makes them :) Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. (I don't have dust bunnies, I have dust elephants - I hate housework!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 12:39:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HGdWUu016345 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HGd6Xl026094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HGd3J0080789; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HGcwJj080582 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33651 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 16:38:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nST6T+u1XDfD7zcI/uhB6MG2h9LqJVdcN2moqJyM6d9wYhviN7Wbgb2ziyeqpStEunRVy+VPcf1bI54MUCYjjvO69byjAbsEGWB62EWiPzMmeVrg6xcH/0/tKXZyAZ1P+1rsC1ZknTUFpI4VHXN4aOiqTByqgHQKHjU2fucE/k8= ; Message-ID: <20051017163851.33649.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:38:51 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510142310.j9ENAIKe030947@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:was 14 yds of wool, is weathein in Eng X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tell me about the UK and wool. All the sheep we passed on the way to Litchfield (We actually slept quite near a place called Yarnfield) should have been a clue. We were there in the beginning of September. The first few days were (unseasonalbly) warm to hot. Then it cooled off to what the weather usually was. Luckily I had brough some of my wool things. They are usually WAAY too hot to wear down here in North Carolina and Virginia, except for maybe January or February. Wool petticoats and jackets and were JUSTt the thing . The wool repelled the rain that we had one day, and although we were soaked, it really didn't bother us. The logic of the clothing system dawned on me . Even the men in ca. 1770's regimental weren't too bothered. They were soaked and heavy, but not uncomfortable and cold. 18 cent. Mia in too hot old Charlotte, Distaff with HM 64th of foot, from the grand Stafford, and back there for their regimental reunion at the celebration of 300th anniversary of the founding of the regimmment. 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Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 12:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HGfY2q016387 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HGf42N026428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HGf0ov082477; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HGeuY5082288 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.221.34478c (15889) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R31 (fwm-r31.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.135]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e114353d3f63aa; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7A15099FAE1F1-1250-92A4@FWM-R31.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R31.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.135) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:21 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.135 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT vacuums X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 -0500 >From: "E House" >Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums >I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, >and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. I have one of those rubber-bristled brooms like you see on TV, and it works great for getting cat hair and my long hairs up off the carpet. I haven't tried it for threads or lint, since I have wood floors in my sewing room, but since you mentioned cat hairs I had to recommend it. My vacuum never gets jammed with hair anymore because I use the rubber broom before I vacuum. It also works great for getting into the grout lines between tiles. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 12:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HGj82i016461 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HGiU3o027019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:44:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HGiSkG085561; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HGiM9C085463 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.167] (pm5-167.eos.net [205.133.149.167]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9HGiHdo027113 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:33:53 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510170516.j9H5GUbK049786@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 13:05:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HH5RpE016875 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:05:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HH54Lv030252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HH4wHN003582; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HH4heG003398 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 13850 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 17:03:44 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:03:43 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26751.162.119.64.110.1129568928.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051017164643.01d50f88@127.0.0.1> References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051017164643.01d50f88@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a > heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and > threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on > the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. We do have Dyson vacs but they are around $400 and according to Consumer Reports they work but may not be worth the big price tag. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 13:50:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HHor2M017781 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HHoC2b036194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HHo3SE041260; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HHntFC041108 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00270 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:49:43 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Thread-Index: AcXTOkPjRdX0yrtgSu6zzfGIa4ny0AAA1xvA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9HHntFC041108 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Leg of mutton(because of its resemblance and size to a leg of a full grown sheep or ram)was just one of many styles of full sleeves. I believe it is more often referred as such more by costume historians and critics of the times, rather than in fashion periodicals and discussions between actual wearers. The first really very full, top-heavy sleeves for women that required padding, wiring, or supporting undersleeves to maintain in recent centuries, actually was a trend of some duration, began in the Rennaisance(mid 16th century and beyond for most European countries). The 1590's to about early 1600's was the most notable era. Then sleeves on women's gowns compatively collapsed in size until the 1630s when big sleeves, were again haute couture. The advent of the mantua in the 1670's and 80's, succeeded by the sackback, robe a la francaise, and robe a l'anglaise and all the variations of the 18th'century backfullness gown cycle, coupled with fashion's interest on fabric pattern and use of lace, basically took the big sleeve out of fashion until the 1820's when the line of the fashionable gown, which had evolved from the back and side fullness of 18th c high fashion to the relatively columnal line starting with the Directoire and Empire in France. There were some really bizaare to our 21st century eyes fashions of the 1820's and 30's with fashionable women wearing wider and shorter skirts, the variations on the shoulder expanding wide bertha collar coupled with wide sleeves and intricate hair styles topped with broad-brimmed, usually lavishly trimmed hats. Even men had one last blaze of colorful fashion glory, before the well-dressed fashionable, but in good taste, male retreated back into Beau Brummel's land of discreet, dark colored, but beautifully tailored suits that began during the reign of Charles II. The super-full sleeve of the 1890's admittedly took its cue from the fashions of the 1820's and 30's, but shapes varied more and started with some sleeve head fullness in the late 1880's. By 1895/6, the huge sleeves with a myriad of names to denote each slight(to our eyes)change in style, got to their largerst length and then rapidly collapsed in size, along with the width of the shoulders. Most fullness dropped to the lower part of the arm, where it was controlled further with pleating and/or stitching The gored skirt of the 1890's changed from a bell created by gores, to a softer curved gored skirt with some backfullness, and the entire line of the skirt moved closer to the figure. Sleeves have never gotten a large again, probably because they get in the way of women doing things, and are difficult to fit and mass produce cheaply. It was much easier in the next(20th century) to manufature set in sleeves with little of no fullness and kimono and short sleeves allowed freedom of arm movement as well as cost-cutting production methods. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:34 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 14:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HICsh5018259 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HICF1c039165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HICCMY059219; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HIC5wV059118 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9HICimY002819 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:12:45 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HIBqm4060700 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:11:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051017100255.0375c7d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:04:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool? In-Reply-To: <43506911.6000701@oldwaylane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > No, ME! > > > > Not that I need 14 yards of green wool. > >Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you! >However, it is exactly me! >I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol I haven't used up the wool I have from Pendleton yet, so I'm just watching everyone else fight. But with a single 14-yard piece I could make an entire wardrobe of Edwardian day and walking outfits, with mix and several match jackets and a couple of skirts. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 14:17:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HIHCXs018370 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HIGpGR039853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HIGnIG063077; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HHEreW011803 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34383 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 17:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 17:14:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051017181307.01d4d950@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:14:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums In-Reply-To: <26751.162.119.64.110.1129568928.squirrel@webmail.inreach.c om> References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbL049786@net.indra.com> <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051017164643.01d50f88@127.0.0.1> <26751.162.119.64.110.1129568928.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:08 17/10/2005, you wrote: > > Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a > > heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and > > threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on > > the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. > >We do have Dyson vacs but they are around $400 and according to Consumer >Reports they work but may not be worth the big price tag. I got mine cheap in the local supermarket, so I think it is worth the price I paid - about 25% off!. $400.00 is too much though, even for a really good machine. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 14:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HIIveH018417 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HIHbFN040020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HIHaCO063774; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HHka1C038267 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 6D4B01ECF08; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:46:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.93.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.93]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 310F41ECE3C for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:41:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <01e801c5d342$49b702c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051017154131.12722.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Branwyn Maura" > My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned > Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's > version for an extra decade for the same reason). Thanks all, for the responses--I still hope to hear more reviews if anyone's got 'em, but, OHYEAH, carpet sweepers! A year or two back it came to me that those would be the solution, but then I forgot all about them. Thanks, Maura! I'm still going to replace my vacuum with one that can handle thread at some point, but for now I'm going with that. I had wondered if they still made em (the one I used as a child was at least 40 or 50 years old) so it's very good to know that they do. And hey, how often do we get to buy something that can last half a century, nowadays? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 14:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HIJ7YR018427 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HIHRkG039969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HIHP8b063644; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9HHJHoh015544 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9678 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2005 17:19:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vr7Xnqn8NlhMHMS9WHHMTlFEJrVYxVe567jcU/XsuLkqbkbkFx41pNMQijqqmM3sigeKFxLWKF8zqjVeQSabE5OSz1zAnJnulUMYKWsSPKsuf9DqYW45mgxuntvzNCzET88bh9yhiTw6rGVstZxw4EYZxceWsFLBuRnU+rv9VTs= ; Message-ID: <20051017171911.9676.qmail@web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:19:11 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510161800.j9GI02ZI070169@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: habit francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Bjarne, Although this is not a period that I have worked with, I am a little familiar with it and I have enjoyed looking at your pictures of costumes and your exquisite embroidery. It does sound like you have made your decision about the waist coat - but my mind's eye came up with this...I don't know if fabric of this sort it is period, but what about a pale pearl gray with the same rosy undertones as the jacket silk? If such a thing can be found. Your embroidery plans for this suit sound lovely. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:14:53 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise To: "Historical Costume" Dear Joannah and Suzi, Thanks for your inputs, i also found one in Ribeiro's Fashion in England and Fracem a spanish country park scene, a gentleman is wearing a red suit with green waistcoat. But i have ben interrested in court suit wearm and i think it is a must with off white waistcoat. Could have ben pretty with a medium grey with my dusty rose, but off white will also be nice. I intent to embroider myself a new court suit, and i draft embroidery patterns right now, so fun. I think i will combine it so that i make the cuffs off white also. The match depends on the colours i use for the embroidery. I was so fortunate to find a Armani ribbed silk in dusty red lilacs. As it was the last lot, 6,30 meter, i got it for 230,00 kr, a meter. They told me the original price is 1000,00 kr a meter. Perhaps i make a wreath of rosebuds in dusty rose on the waistcoat and an old rose wreath of rosebuds on the jacket. More red than the fabric, Please dont make any fuss about the portrait you found, it is the whole, that lighter waistcoats was used that matters to me. Thanks for your replyes!!!:-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise > At 18:46 15/10/2005, you wrote: >>This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on the web, >>where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but unfortunately no >>dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know how many portraits were >>painted at just the right angle to not let you see what is on under their >>coats and jabots? Nearly every blasted one!!!! ) >> >>However, I did find this portrait - >>http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=bach&LinkID=mp05038&rNo=0&role=sit >>which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. > > > I may be able to go and have a quick look at this on Tuesday, Bjarne, if > you can wait that long. I have a suspicion that what shows is the lining > of the coat, but if they have the portrait on display I will be able to > get a better idea. > > Suzi> --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 14:28:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HISm2W018650 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:28:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HISQp9041316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HISLG9072127; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HISBxp072016 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.181]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 469FD5EE013 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004001c5d348$942f96e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051017171911.9676.qmail@web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: habit francaise Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:28:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Anette, This is what i had in mind, would be lovely on a grey silk. But it was not used with a darker toned waistcoat, so ill have to stick on the off white. But that can also be nice. Would you magine, i searched for a twisted high glossy silk and found Mulberry Silks in England. I mailed the lady today because i want to order some things from her. She says they have 900 collours to choose from!!!!!!!!!!! That doesnt help much hah! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: habit francaise > Hello Bjarne, > > Although this is not a period that I have worked with, I am a little > familiar with it and I have enjoyed looking at your pictures of costumes > and your exquisite embroidery. > > It does sound like you have made your decision about the waist coat - but > my mind's eye came up with this...I don't know if fabric of this sort it > is period, but what about a pale pearl gray with the same rosy undertones > as the jacket silk? If such a thing can be found. > > Your embroidery plans for this suit sound lovely. > > Annette M > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:14:53 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise > To: "Historical Costume" > > Dear Joannah and Suzi, > Thanks for your inputs, i also found one in Ribeiro's Fashion in England > and > Fracem a spanish country park scene, a gentleman is wearing a red suit > with > green waistcoat. > But i have ben interrested in court suit wearm and i think it is a must > with > off white waistcoat. > Could have ben pretty with a medium grey with my dusty rose, but off white > will also be nice. > I intent to embroider myself a new court suit, and i draft embroidery > patterns right now, so fun. I think i will combine it so that i make the > cuffs off white also. The match depends on the colours i use for the > embroidery. > I was so fortunate to find a Armani ribbed silk in dusty red lilacs. As it > was the last lot, 6,30 meter, i got it for 230,00 kr, a meter. They told > me > the original price is 1000,00 kr a meter. > Perhaps i make a wreath of rosebuds in dusty rose on the waistcoat and an > old rose wreath of rosebuds on the jacket. More red than the fabric, > Please dont make any fuss about the portrait you found, it is the whole, > that lighter waistcoats was used that matters to me. > > Thanks for your replyes!!!:-) > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise > > >> At 18:46 15/10/2005, you wrote: >>>This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on the >>>web, >>>where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but unfortunately no >>>dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know how many portraits were >>>painted at just the right angle to not let you see what is on under their >>>coats and jabots? Nearly every blasted one!!!! ) >>> >>>However, I did find this portrait - >>>http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=bach&LinkID=mp05038&rNo=0&role=sit >>>which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. >> >> >> I may be able to go and have a quick look at this on Tuesday, Bjarne, if >> you can wait that long. I have a suspicion that what shows is the lining >> of the coat, but if they have the portrait on display I will be able to >> get a better idea. >> >> Suzi> > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 16:56:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HKuFNi021829 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HKthCR094161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HKtWub089149; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HKtSM4089047 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so671696wri for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DoDlxe+MbHxB2U6781S7q9mH0erwAxiKdTD3C1ZbupRWGuLv6V2tTFquh3niDcscJR5sIk0kkTOmziYcDKFyj9As10WEPHezjOrHO7FTNnENcFZnIVWO9cBkUoMJR9NIBum3GrEcTnEAAiDThkeaIe4RJHlXK0znPCnFroEVECc= Received: by 10.54.157.6 with SMTP id f6mr2010957wre; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510171355w18822f1dv45e4d83a10cf2f84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:55:24 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbK049786@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9HKuFNi021829 Status: RO Well no. They had this type of sleeve for a little girl's dress. Someplace in fact I have a baby dress with these sleeves and they are stupidly large. It's as generic as it gets. I think at some point Marilla says that the sleeve sizes are getting ridicoulous and are waste of good fabric which is how I date the timeline of the book is by that statement. Silly I know but it's a clue to costumers that they are in the late part of the puff sleeved craze when some women as Ms. Abel pointed out so well, had frames or horsehair to support them much like the ones in the 130 and 40's (?) did. The older ones from 100 years before were actually bigger than the Gibson girl ones. The problem is the movies make you think that the book takes place later than it does. And the costumes are off IMO by about 10 years off in one direction or another. The Rilla of Ingleside book clearly ends in 1918 (they give dates) shortly after the Armistice. In it Anne mourns her first grey hair then cheerfully admits she looks foward to no longer having red hair. Rilla is her youngest and last child and even taking in Joy the baby who died Rilla who is 19 in the last chapter couldn't have been born any early than 1899-1900 and Anne had been married at least 12 years IIRC when Rilla was born in Anne of Ingleside. Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby On 10/17/05, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression > that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought > this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic > 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 17:00:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HL0JEf021929 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HKxZYf094832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HKxZbq092332; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HKxXhH092275 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so672299wri for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Bs9KZJgrgQgPay6IG8xcU1ghhgT710EUkJc9dl2LjIt+duzi58LVISkAMDECYwschs1ut7QaYc/tveJmci/nZXQj3P2o3rUsfbC22qFrhZr7s16tqpo29KLjANlJOb/xCpE3kRzfyFwKbZ50H9DyHmZBOq4LOp2GAQahqDxdt9I= Received: by 10.54.94.11 with SMTP id r11mr673697wrb; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510171359p175877abgdb4484c27931a9de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:59:31 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" In-Reply-To: <00c901c5d2ff$6cc52500$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200510161800.j9GI02ZH070169@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510161412v3869843apda7eb64766b075d6@mail.gmail.com> <00c901c5d2ff$6cc52500$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9HL0JEf021929 Status: RO I've even seen the 1916 (?) version. I've YET to see a good version or play of this series. And what BBC recently did to poor Anne is disgusting beyond words. The books are aso basic and simple there is simply NO good reason that a more accurate version can't be done. The best out of all would probably be the version starring Anne Shirley. The actress did so well in that one she changed her name to Anne Shirley. It was a PBS version done back in the late 80's IIRC. I've also seen the 1930's version with the blonde Diana. And it was the stupidest piece of film I've seen yet. Diana needs her raven tresses. Bice On 10/17/05, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] "puffed sleeves" > > > What Anne so dearly longs for is "leg o' mutton" sleeves. Just google it. > The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with > Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these > books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. > > Bice > > I just saw the Anne of Green Gables movie last week--the old 30's one with > "Anne Shirley" starring in it. I was watching eagerly for the "puffed > sleeves" part--I was so disappointed with their depiction. (AND they made > Diana Barry a blonde! A sacrilege!) > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 17:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HLo2Cu023012 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HLnLdk003778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HLnGES029975; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HLnC7Q029888 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ERcr0-000DQX-7f for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:49:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:48:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:was 14 yds of wool, is weathein in Eng References: <200510142310.j9ENAIKe030947@net.indra.com> <20051017163851.33649.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051017163851.33649.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Random interesting fact: There are still the same number of sheep per person in Britain as there were in the 15th century. Just that now, a lot fewer people spend their time looking after the sheep. Ever since I learned that I've wondered where I can go to claim my sheep. I think it's about 6 each, IIRC. Jean Mia Dappert wrote > Tell me about the UK and wool. All the sheep we passed on the way to >Litchfield (We actually slept quite near a place called Yarnfield) >should have been a clue. > >We were there in the beginning of September. The first few days were >(unseasonalbly) warm to hot. Then it cooled off to what the weather >usually was. Luckily I had brough some of my wool things. They are >usually WAAY too hot to wear down here in North Carolina and Virginia, >except for maybe January or February. Wool petticoats and jackets and >were JUSTt the thing . The wool repelled the rain that we had one day, >and although we were soaked, it really didn't bother us. The logic of >the clothing system dawned on me . > >Even the men in ca. 1770's regimental weren't too bothered. They were >soaked and heavy, but not uncomfortable and cold. > >18 cent. Mia in too hot old Charlotte, >Distaff with HM 64th of foot, from the grand Stafford, and back there >for their regimental reunion at the celebration of 300th anniversary of >the founding of the regimmment. They blessed our flags on the silver >drums and everything. > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 18:55:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HMtss0024383 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HMtF3G016412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HMtAGg077232; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HMt6ie077138 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1e.4fd49c65 (4312) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.4fd49c65.308585bf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:54:55 EDT Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO $400 is about the equivalent of what you'd pay for a newer version of a dyson over here these days - but from my experience they're probably not worth the outlay (we've got one - can't remember which model). Was brilliant for a few months, but it just couldn't cope with cat hair, cat litter and thread. There just seems to be too much that can go wrong (with the uprights at least). We now have a vax (don't know if they're available in the states). It's fabulous - picks up the cat hairs and litter, the thread, my hair (which is quite long usually), the mud etc. from the re-enactment stuff, and al the dust. It even manages to suck the chalk dust out of my worn out flattened old sewing room carpet. All that and it washes too (not that I've actually ever used the washy bit). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 19:51:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HNpGgW025386 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:51:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HNnj1f025904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HNnivA010598; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HNneTb010561 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:49:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.40] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com, wolfpaws@mac.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:49:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2005 23:49:39.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[70539F50:01C5D375] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Strange spinning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm reading an article: "Objets archéologiques; Témoins d’une quaiité de vie urbaine dans le bourg monastique: by Nicole Meyer Rodrigues in Dossiers d'Archaologie no. 297 (Oct. 2004) pp. 94-101. On page 94 there is a picture of a knitted cap from the beginning of the 14th century - it's described as "Bonnet en byssus" -- the text appears on page 101 as "Un bonnet tricoté en byssus, ou “soie marine ou encore “laine de poisson”, substance sécrétée par la pinna nobilis, un grand coquillage bivalve de méditerranée. le bonnet provient d’un dépotoir dont le remplissage est date du debut du XiVe siècle..." which roughly means "A bonnet knitted in byssus, or "marine silk" or "fish wool", substance secreted by the pinna nobilis, a large bivalvular shell of the Mediterranean. the bonnet comes from a dump whose filling is date of the beginning of XIVe century..." Has anyone ever heard of this stuff or worked with it? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 20:12:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I0CmSZ025623 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:12:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I0C7Ye029878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I0Bx56023094; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9I0Bt8S023043 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 751 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2005 17:11:07 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 651, pid: 694, t: 3.5335s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1134 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 17 Oct 2005 17:11:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051017170817.05250c00@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:11:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Strange spinning question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9I0Bt8S023043 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:49 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote: >I'm reading an article: "Objets archéologiques; >Témoins d’une quaiité de vie urbaine dans le >bourg monastique: by Nicole Meyer Rodrigues in >Dossiers d'Archaologie no. 297 (Oct. 2004) pp. 94-101. >On page 94 there is a picture of a knitted cap >from the beginning of the 14th century - it's >described as "Bonnet en byssus" -- the text >appears on page 101 as "Un bonnet tricoté en >byssus, ou “soie marine ou encore “laine de >poisson”, substance sécrétée par la pinna >nobilis, un grand coquillage bivalve de >méditerranée. le bonnet provient d’un dépotoir >dont le remplissage est date du debut du XiVe >siècle..." which roughly means "A bonnet >knitted in byssus, or "marine silk" or "fish >wool", substance secreted by the pinna nobilis, >a large bivalvular shell of the >Mediterranean. the bonnet comes from a dump >whose filling is date of the beginning of XIVe century..." > >Has anyone ever heard of this stuff or worked with it? > >Marc I ran a quick search on "byssal threads". This article has a statement that may support the article you cited. http://www.lifesci.ucsb.edu/mcdb/labs/waite/byssus.html Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels, though here's an article showing how to work with them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 20:46:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I0kEB0026612 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I0jirA035442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I0jeDH039511; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I0jbpP039435 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lindasterner@adelphia.net) Received: from computer ([69.170.43.11]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20051018004527.LVLP27774.mta11.adelphia.net@computer> for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c5d37c$c99f6880$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> From: "lindasterner" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:42:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] carpet sweeper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9I0kEB0026612 Status: RO At the restaurant where I work we use Bissel carpet sweepers all the time. We cannot use vacuum cleaners in the restaurant because they kick up dust and stuff. These sweepers are fantastic!!! They even pick up french fries and ice too!!! They are $27 at Walmart. Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 21:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I10MZ4027008 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I0xndc037682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I0xmhH046278; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I0xim5046232 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:59:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9I10DU0026883 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:00:13 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I0xQ2U132168 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:59:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051017174619.00bdbee0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:48:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Strange spinning question In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051017170817.05250c00@pop.surewest.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels, >though here's an article showing how to work with >them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html I don't necessarily believe all the stuff in that article, nor in the links from it. For example, one quotes Herotidus as mentioning lace, and another says that cloth of gold was really byssus fiber fabric. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 21:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I1wZfq028075 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I1w515047711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I1w217073551; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I1vwpr073500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E8E1CDC95 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 25847-06 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6B351CD906 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <020801c5d387$4d90d430$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510170516.j9H5GUbK049786@net.indra.com> <7164eae90510171355w18822f1dv45e4d83a10cf2f84@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:57:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby>> But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, The NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, Grimm's Fairy Tales... I LOVE children's books! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 22:14:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I2EgZZ028343 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:14:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I2EN62050357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I2EMTv081075; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9I2EIHi081028 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 661 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 02:58:05 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:58:05 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41111.162.119.64.110.1129601904.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20051014153226.3ECCA38AFC@gw1.unr.edu> References: <1062.67.188.164.116.1129300981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <20051014153226.3ECCA38AFC@gw1.unr.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Interesting article... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was reading my Colonial Williamsburg magazine this morning and saw this article about tailors in the 18th century. It is also online so I thought I would share it with you.... The most interesting thing to me is what "tailors" do versus "seamstresses" versus "mantua makers". Have a look: http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/Autumn05/Tailor.cfm Enjoy! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 22:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I2MIj4028480 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:22:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I2Gm4u050744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I2GlwH082202; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52801.mail.yahoo.com (web52801.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9I2Giwv082115 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32990 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2005 02:16:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ROzwDVZvScjjohSVfOdZYbFqhSj3Mco90NydpgnVHdAKstOqEGh3mPTlrhiVmMu7JRnOd40zOSLatIxU4i7dTklF57qguPLB7ksXaHstJQcmJgwMJ7A2JRUwih6B27j2cISf5Z9mqOyUtFYRw+NV06yLEATXdohlmnN1vY8vUwk= ; Message-ID: <20051018021637.32988.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:16:37 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <020801c5d387$4d90d430$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you love good kids' lit -- as I do, passionately -- then you owe it to yourself to find everything you can by Edith Nesbit, if you haven't discovered her already (The Story of the Treasure Seekers, the New Treasure Seekers, The Wouldbegoods, The Magic City, The Magic World, Wet Magic, The Railroad Children, Five Children and It, The Phoenix and the Carpet, The Story of the Amulet, The Enchanted Castle, Melisande, The Book of Dragons, The Book of Beasts, The House of Arden, Harding's Luck, Fairy Tales...). She's usually published under "E. Nesbit." And the only (admittedly weak) way I can think of to make this clothing related is that she was very atypical in the way she dressed for her time (Victorian) -- loose gowns, no corset, short hair -- and she smoked like a chimney! KP Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby>> But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, The NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, Grimm's Fairy Tales... I LOVE children's books! 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Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 17 22:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I2xnLj029136 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I2xPZD056883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I2xJAP002677; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-10.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-10.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I2xFdl002605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-10.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9I2u831010450 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: <4354650E.6010300@wideopenwest.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:59:26 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Redingote (Was: what would you do with 14 yards of wool?) References: <55.7deaf908.30844738@aol.com> <4352F8E1.9050504@wideopenwest.com> <7164eae90510161812l8de19a2n775cae009da762e4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510161812l8de19a2n775cae009da762e4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! The Sense and Sensibility pattern is perfect. Just needs a couple of tweaks to get the exact look I want. Michelle, happily contemplating her new winter coat. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 00:04:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9I44AJl030185 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9I43Z9W062682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I43VQ0031840; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9I43S2s031830 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so2741wra for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c9qA0QS0+ByTthjgNuASPJ/sPU/+/EPMu/yCOTWzay8QaN3x6z2A+H6H7riizDlZq3i0WwXJXUSzTnIqqcgu2QZrSwsTVRUMUMb7GIHnYrqY8aJTwR6NChBa5N3TWaeoBxomcVqZhCl1/zDoys8lIiIqGQ+tyNkTl7ZRGcJuk8E= Received: by 10.54.139.4 with SMTP id m4mr19238wrd; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510172103w1f7f8efbje6f4f6a77fc46a52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:03:27 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves In-Reply-To: <20051018021637.32988.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <020801c5d387$4d90d430$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <20051018021637.32988.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9I44AJl030185 Status: RO I recently posted about this on my livejournal (if you are on there and want to add me my name is Jaie up there) So I'm going to simply post what I wrote up there as my response: I've got a couple of books I'm also keeping an eye on as well. Someone has an entire collection of the Waverly Novelsfor sale. I've always wanted a set. And this set has 26 of the books. If I recall there should be 48. These are the books I learned to read on. Our great grandmother had a set of these. She had a bookcase with books in the kitchen and along with her cookbooks she kept a lot of children's books. Anne of Green Gables in hardback all the way to the Rilla book, Rebecca of Sunny Brook Farm in first edition, that had been hers. Also there were all of the books from my grandfather and his siblings the last of whom wasn't born until my grandfather was a man and married himself in the late 40's. The Waverly's however were kept in the attic. When I was about 5 or so my grandmother brought them down from the attic and gave them to me to read. I was already a heavy reader and had gone through all the ones in the kitchen. I was told to be very careful with them as they had belonged to her own father or grandfather. She came from a wealthier home than the one she went to in marriage so these versions of the Waverly set were leather bound with the owners initials on the binding. I believe my aunt has them now. The other set I am thinking about is a set of the Samantha books.And no, I don't mean the American Girl Samantha. I'm speaking of the Victorian Samantha. Another set of books my grandmother had. And before anyone thinks I'm trying to relive my childhood, don't. These are books that I learned to love with my Grandmother. That's all. The Samantha books were also written by a local woman. Marietta Holleywho was from Pierrepont Manor in Jefferson County, NY. Pierrepont was another major scene in my childhood. Marietta was a suffragette in the early days and her Samantha books are about a girl who breaks all of society's more silly rules while staying a lady. You can read the series at Project Guttenberg. I used to have some of these books but when I moved here it was among the boxes of books that mysteriously came up missing. The only mystery of course being what dump did my ex husband toss them in because he felt I had "too many books. Get rid of them". So now I have to replace my set. Luckily he didn't toss my set of Paige Twinsbooks. Otherwise I may very well have killed him. As you can tell though, I like girl series books. I have Aunt Jane's Nieces as well. Which is if you aren't aware by Frank Baum under the pseudonym Edith Van Dyne. Grandmother also had the Brownie Books and the Curlytops. The Brownie Books I think were my aunt's the Curlytops my grandmother had gotten herself. I have the newly printed Elsie Dinsmore books. Five Little Peppers was also in grandmother's library. There was also the Betsey Tacybooks. They still print these so replacing them is not even an issue. They even have a society . Maud Hart Lovelace wrote them much later than the other books so I tend to think these may have belonged to one of my younger aunts along with the Nancy Drew books that I hated. But my most expensive books will be to work on getting hardcover and/or first editions of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books AND Lucy Maud Montgomery's sets. Whew. Obligatory costume content...I also enjoy recreating what I think the charachters would have worn and indeed am thinking of starting a "Rilla" dress for my next project. Bice On 10/17/05, Kathryn Parke wrote: > > If you love good kids' lit -- as I do, passionately -- then you owe it to > yourself to find everything you can by Edith Nesbit, if you haven't > discovered her already (The Story of the Treasure Seekers, the New Treasure > Seekers, The Wouldbegoods, The Magic City, The Magic World, Wet Magic, The > Railroad Children, Five Children and It, The Phoenix and the Carpet, The > Story of the Amulet, The Enchanted Castle, Melisande, The Book of Dragons, > The Book of Beasts, The House of Arden, Harding's Luck, Fairy Tales...). > She's usually published under "E. Nesbit." > > And the only (admittedly weak) way I can think of to make this clothing > related is that she was very atypical in the way she dressed for her time > (Victorian) -- loose gowns, no corset, short hair -- and she smoked like a > chimney! > > KP > Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, > The > NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, > Grimm's Fairy Tales... > > I LOVE children's books! > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 07:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IBAW2O003731 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IB9c82092161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IB9MYv084711; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9IB9HAJ084657 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 79636 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2005 11:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2005 11:09:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051018120338.01cf7880@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:09:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums In-Reply-To: <1e.4fd49c65.308585bf@aol.com> References: <1e.4fd49c65.308585bf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:54 17/10/2005, you wrote: >$400 is about the equivalent of what you'd pay for a newer version of a dyson >over here these days - but from my experience they're probably not worth the >outlay (we've got one - can't remember which model). Was brilliant for a few >months, but it just couldn't cope with cat hair, cat litter and >thread. There >just seems to be too much that can go wrong (with the uprights at least). > >We now have a vax (don't know if they're available in the states). It's >fabulous - picks up the cat hairs and litter, the thread, my hair >(which is quite >long usually), the mud etc. from the re-enactment stuff, and al the dust. It >even manages to suck the chalk dust out of my worn out flattened old sewing >room carpet. All that and it washes too (not that I've actually ever used the >washy bit). Comment from my husband. He works at the Barbican Theatre as a technician and they use Dysons there all the time. (Apparently exactly the same as my domestic one.) He says they "knock the b*ll*cks" out of them all the time" and they don't go wrong. Occasionally some of the plastic bits and pieces break, but they are easy to replace. They are used on carpet, wood floor, and various anonymous substances, and they are excellent for everything. ( I only discovered this today!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 08:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ICN700005175 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ICMZso004375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ICMWje011378; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ICMSE6011314 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A8FE0264; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:22:22 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Oct 05 12:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c5d3df$170b2020$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5d37c$c99f6880$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:25:53 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is my best thread chaser, too! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "lindasterner" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] carpet sweeper At the restaurant where I work we use Bissel carpet sweepers all the time. We cannot use vacuum cleaners in the restaurant because they kick up dust and stuff. These sweepers are fantastic!!! They even pick up french fries and ice too!!! They are $27 at Walmart. Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 09:13:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IDDK3C006163 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:13:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IDCaI3016485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IDCYjt033151; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IDCULV033084 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9IDCNw11190.; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:12:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:12:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:12:16 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Samantha, was Puffed sleeves Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9IDDK3C006163 Status: RO That's interesting. I've never heard of this author or her character before. As far as I was aware, the name Samantha was unknown in Britain before the 1960s, (it isn't in the first edition of the "Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names") and I had been grumbling because the TV series "Foyle's War", set in World War 2, had a main character of that name. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> kristalori@gmail.com 18/10/2005 05:03 >>> The other set I am thinking about is a set of the Samantha books.And no, I don't mean the American Girl Samantha. I'm speaking of the Victorian Samantha. Another set of books my grandmother had. And before anyone thinks I'm trying to relive my childhood, don't. These are books that I learned to love with my Grandmother. That's all. The Samantha books were also written by a local woman. Marietta Holleywho was from Pierrepont Manor in Jefferson County, NY. Pierrepont was another major scene in my childhood. Marietta was a suffragette in the early days and her Samantha books are about a girl who breaks all of society's more silly rules while staying a lady. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 09:55:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IDttp2007177 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:55:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IDtCYS020439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IDtA4h054804; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IDt2iU054678 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:52:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510180217.j9I2GoYC082232@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:52:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 13:52:53.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CAD1AC0:01C5D3EB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Strange spinning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > >Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels, > >though here's an article showing how to work with > >them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html >I don't necessarily believe all the stuff in that article, nor in the links >from it. For example, one quotes Herotidus as mentioning lace, and another >says that cloth of gold was really byssus fiber fabric. That may be a later translation issue - for instance herodatus may be talking about "golden cloth" or something. I'll have to dig out the reference to see. What the site does do is give me some leads on more information. Unfortunately, it doesn't give me any information on where I can get yarn to have a repro of this cap knitted, or a source for a good substitute, which would have been really nice - but hey, even if not all the material is perfect, it's a better start than I had yesterday :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 11:51:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFpFhE010571 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IFojSm035381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IFoc9k036630; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9IECCFd064665 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBXLAVZA6ZFVMJ for (sender ); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K7LP576L; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:10:49 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:02:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Message-ID: <20051018.070951.2936.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 4:6:3324138477 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgi7dDBS9H40UZJxDtpqNBSA= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How do they work on hardwood floors? My Border Collie sheds enough to knit a whole new dog. There, obligatory costume content--sort of! ;) Arlys > At the restaurant where I work we use Bissel carpet sweepers all the > time. > We cannot use vacuum cleaners in the restaurant because they kick up > dust > and stuff. These sweepers are fantastic!!! They even pick up > french fries > and ice too!!! They are $27 at Walmart. > > Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 11:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFpucP010592 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:51:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IFpfmp035524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IFpem4037377; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9IEaRM2079899 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79089 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2005 14:36:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Cx9HRecSagIrs8QOoNvxIsaYlKJbhYA6bBM8yKErqALiKZjCTVzPsJV8N/PI6ywpkjLD0KEAcs5WsjHR8dMu7d6F8mLsKw6FLg6jMsKixxap7rG2iaKaHN8LdEDhWsNv8+R1dM1ONUiPB98mQpoL/2sFm96SypbbvE5WrqAm+KI= ; Message-ID: <20051018143621.79087.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:36:21 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510180217.j9I2GoYC082232@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 666 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, Your silk must be lighter than I imagined, as a pale pearl gray - as I think of it anyway - isn't a very dark gray. I am sure your suit will turn out lovely and I look forward to seeing pictures of the finished results. 900 colors of embroidery silk! You are sure to find a perfect match. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:28:31 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: habit francaise To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <004001c5d348$942f96e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Anette, This is what i had in mind, would be lovely on a grey silk. But it was not used with a darker toned waistcoat, so ill have to stick on the off white. But that can also be nice. Would you magine, i searched for a twisted high glossy silk and found Mulberry Silks in England. I mailed the lady today because i want to order some things from her. She says they have 900 collours to choose from!!!!!!!!!!! That doesnt help much hah! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kahlara" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: habit francaise > Hello Bjarne, > > Although this is not a period that I have worked with, I am a little > familiar with it and I have enjoyed looking at your pictures of costumes > and your exquisite embroidery. > > It does sound like you have made your decision about the waist coat - but > my mind's eye came up with this...I don't know if fabric of this sort it > is period, but what about a pale pearl gray with the same rosy undertones > as the jacket silk? If such a thing can be found. > > Your embroidery plans for this suit sound lovely. > > Annette M > >=== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IG1MOI010805 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IG0xSD036860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IG0v3t044656; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IG0owS044529 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so65821wra for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:00:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RAmQ/rfpC6GQ+OprQMnwxailTKGcbc4NuRPxyhfPOB94VpHXv6TVAaRkeI0xQWQ8pMWEG/vxRDywRjGy5X0n+t0KuzQqXwNnIkXKoNc0rPY/tMNvcIe1r5t6WoCmRDq/s1Ms61dIDLxM8VyuDd4ecNpGNP/uWJzgrmE13a43Kto= Received: by 10.54.82.19 with SMTP id f19mr178214wrb; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510180900s5494ffd5i85e39627818c70d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:00:48 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Samantha, was Puffed sleeves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9IG1MOI010805 Status: RO The Samantha books can be read online at project Gutenberg. You can also find copies fairly easily online. They aren't true children's books although they are often cited as such. They are books for young ladies. I'd say the 13 and up crowd. I assure you however that they are well before 1960 and were written by Marrietta Holley who died in 1926. Well before the second World War. http://www.northnet.org/stlawrenceaauw/holley.htm Samantha Allen was if I recall born in 1872 when her author had already written several other pieces. Bice On 10/18/05, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > That's interesting. I've never heard of this author or her character > before. As far as I was aware, the name Samantha was unknown in Britain > before the 1960s, (it isn't in the first edition of the "Oxford Dictionary > of English Christian Names") and I had been grumbling because the TV series > "Foyle's War", set in World War 2, had a main character of that name. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IG5dox010905 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:05:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IG59qK037572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IG558n048447; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought this might be of interest to some of our embroiderers: http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?intObjectID=4587 482 &SN=7109&LN=0106 Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:07:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IG71wD010935 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 16:06:18.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0068F00:01C5D3FD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't have a whole lot to add to the discussion except that it has been discussed on our list before. Might want to check the archives. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGCiK2011059 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:12:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IGCE2d038636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGCA4M054314; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGC1iD054151 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f556a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.106]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 003A447FF36 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c5d3fe$aa3ff7c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Lorina, It doesnt work. Not in tiny url either..... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train > Thought this might be of interest to some of our > embroiderers: > > http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?intObjectID=4587 > 482 > 7482&SN=7109&LN=0106> &SN=7109&LN=0106 > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:14:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGEkJV011109 for ; 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Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:14:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:14:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7A2161A61234E-B14-13641@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.13) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:14:08 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.13 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, I could not get these links to work even after cutting and pasting the entire content. -----Original Message----- From: Five Rivers Chapmanry To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train Thought this might be of interest to some of our embroiderers: http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?intObjectID=4587 482 &SN=7109&LN=0106 Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGIul4011206 for ; 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Message-ID: <20051018161827.89982.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:18:27 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001601c5d3fe$aa3ff7c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cut and paste the two bits separately. Copy the first line into the location field, and then type the 482 on after that, and it'll come up. It's gorgeous, and you especially need to see it, Bjarne! KP Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Dear Lorina, It doesnt work. Not in tiny url either..... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train > Thought this might be of interest to some of our > embroiderers: > > http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?intObjectID=4587 > 482 > > 7482&SN=7109&LN=0106> &SN=7109&LN=0106 > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGXxmU011532 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IGXIUv041408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGX7KV070875; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGWvgu070768 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9IGWtWT003464 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:22:21 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510180216.j9I2GoYB082232@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Children's lit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katherine Parke wrote: > If you love good kids' lit -- as I do, passionately -- then you owe it to > yourself to find everything you can by Edith Nesbit, if you haven't discovered > her already (The Story of the Treasure Seekers, the New Treasure Seekers, The > Wouldbegoods, The Magic City, The Magic World, Wet Magic, The Railroad > Children, Five Children and It, The Phoenix and the Carpet, The Story of the > Amulet, The Enchanted Castle, Melisande, The Book of Dragons, The Book of > Beasts, The House of Arden, Harding's Luck, Fairy Tales...). She's usually > published under "E. Nesbit." Oh, I just finished reading "The Treasure Seekers" and "The Wouldbegoods" to my daughter for the second time. They are so GREAT. And we read "The Enchanted Castle" over the summer. Sigh. Like so many people, I got into E. Nesbit by reading Edward Eager. (Like the best children's books, his books mention other great children's books.) He said in one of his introductions that he started writing children's books because he wanted more E. Nesbit books and there weren't any! I highly recommend "Half Magic." I think it's a misnomer to call the really good stuff "children's literature." It's just literature! Good for people of all ages. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:46:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGkK1s011769 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IGjuin043165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGjqwH080772; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGjjt9080556 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA8A3CEA3 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:45:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435526F7.5060200@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:46:47 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anybody know why vair was considerd an upper class fur? Surely squirrels must have been as common as rats or rabbits. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:53:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGrblZ011898 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IGqdmB044139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGqZiR085896; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04 (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGqTZu085719 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:52:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4355286A.4090201@msn.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:52:58 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train References: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 16:52:24.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[503B04D0:01C5D404] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Holy Smokes...that is something else! Here is the first link as a Tiny....I couldn't get the second link to work either...maybe it was just the close up as the item number seems to be the same. *http://tinyurl.com/8ofvj Sg *** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 12:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IGxPFx012008 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:59:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IGwxDO045115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGw7A3090011; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04 (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IGvs9U089783 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <435529AF.4040406@msn.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:58:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train-some shoes too References: <001a01c5d3fd$b3aea140$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 16:57:48.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[1198F8D0:01C5D405] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here are some cool shoes from the same lot... *http://tinyurl.com/dzjlq* WickedFrau wrote: > Holy Smokes...that is something else! > Here is the first link as a Tiny....I couldn't get the second link to > work either...maybe it was just the close up as the item number seems > to be the same. > > *http://tinyurl.com/8ofvj > > Sg > *** > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 13:50:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IHoH80013293 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IHnls6053022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHnabs031136; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHnSgr031063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 87CD9D40E2; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C12D3EDC for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:48:58 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <001801c5d40c$4ca931e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.6 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well drat! Okay, so go here: http://www.christies.com/promos/oct05/7109/overview.asp Then click on the 5th icon on the right hand side of the screen, which is a purple and gold train. It is truly one of the last vestiges of the glorious art of embroidery. Dictator and tyrant Napoleon may have been, but he certainly was a style-guru. :-) Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 13:52:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IHqODr013336 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IHpxEq053327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHpt4w032898; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHpejB032592 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lindasterner@adelphia.net) Received: from computer ([69.170.43.11]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20051018175128.SVR27774.mta11.adelphia.net@computer> for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c5d40c$1cab1f80$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> From: "lindasterner" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:48:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hardwood floors and bissels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9IHqODr013336 Status: RO I don`t know how well the bissels work on hardwood floors. We do use them on both carpet and tile floors at the restaurant. However.....I really don`t know about dog hair either (no dogs have ever come into to eat there yet!!) :) Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 13:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IHvHbE013421 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IHuq2f053901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHujEm036634; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHubbk036479 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.195.4972d700 (15876) for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D35 (fwm-d35.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.11]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e044355374e30f; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:56:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:56:29 -0400 Message-Id: <8C7A2246704DD9F-9F8-43A7@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <001801c5d40c$4ca931e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.11) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:56:29 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <001801c5d40c$4ca931e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.11 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Meow! Very gorgeous. I have developed a profound respect for embroiderers who use metallic threads thanks to my coif, and looking at this mantle made my eyes roll back in my head. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Five Rivers Chapmanry To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:48:58 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] Napoleonic train Well drat! Okay, so go here: http://www.christies.com/promos/oct05/7109/overview.asp Then click on the 5th icon on the right hand side of the screen, which is a purple and gold train. It is truly one of the last vestiges of the glorious art of embroidery. Dictator and tyrant Napoleon may have been, but he certainly was a style-guru. :-) Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 13:58:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IHw2Z5013442 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IHvgvX054049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHvf4S037277; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IHva2E037227 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:57:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:57:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510181614.j9IGENcQ056124@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:57:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 17:57:35.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BDC7300:01C5D40D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Archves (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: WickedFrau >I don't have a whole lot to add to the discussion except that it has >been discussed on our list before. Might want to check the archives. I would be surprised if it hadn't been previously discussed, but couldn't find anything in the archives for Byssus, Bissus, Sea silk, seasilk, etc. I even tried fish wool. I'm open for suggestions on key words to try. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 14:01:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9II1nnw013513 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9II1LDG054686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9II1IPp040420; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9II1BMM040248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.243] (pool180-243.patriot.net [209.249.180.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9II0xuL024945 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:01:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c5d3df$170b2020$945083d1@rmitchellras> References: <000a01c5d37c$c99f6880$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> <001101c5d3df$170b2020$945083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:52:02 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw a commercial on TV for a new Swiffer - it's for carpets and has a sticky pad on the inside to catch the sweepings. They show it working with loose items, such as dry cereal. I don't know how well it would work with things that stick, like thread and cat hair. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 14:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IIGfg5013883 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IIGETi056831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIG8ZD052288; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIFsFd052166 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=DilYxYCU/yLSV71suWC4/b6WI8+kLkIyeYI8pse2/cACTybQyKt3yaYtQV/cEICx; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.117] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ERw09-00033g-AB for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <011001c5d40f$f86fc680$75159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018.070951.2936.2.Cley@juno.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:15:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b7c094bbbc4177a5fc39a822c915dc972350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Arlys wrote: > My Border Collie sheds enough to knit a whole new dog. There, obligatory > costume content--sort of! ;) Have you tried carding, spinning and knitting from it? When I was college, a friend of mine made a sweater from Alfie, her Old English Sheepdog and unofficial scene shop mascot. It was soft and a nice grey, although it did smell more than a little like Alfie the first few times it got wet. I remember a book from the early 70's called _Knitting from Your Dog_, but I can't find it right now. However, there's this one: _Knitting With Dog Hair: Better A Sweater From A Dog You Know and Love Than From A Sheep You'll Never Meet_ by Kendall Crolius, ISBN: 0312152906. -Helen /Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 14:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IIP8iY014132 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:25:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IIOaji057912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIOV7B058593; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIOMHZ058481 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f556a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.106]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 181E05EE099 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:24:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c5d411$2e26bb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:24:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dolls dome pannier and flat pannier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Look i also found dolls dome shaped pannier and an oval one. http://tinyurl.com/7rwo7 Amazing what you can find on Christies Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 14:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IIYXBn014459 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:34:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IIYCO9059493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIY92f066187; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IIY5ZC066123 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12766 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:58:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vair In-Reply-To: <435526F7.5060200@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote: > Does anybody know why vair was considerd an upper class fur? Surely > squirrels must have been as common as rats or rabbits. I'd highly recommend a book mentioned often on this list: Elspeth Veale's "The English Fur Trade in the Later Middle Ages." Thoroughly researched, deeply sourced, and not at all dull. "Vair" wasn't just "squirrel," but the fur of the Baltic red squirrel, specifically certain ones imported from the coldest areas of northern and central Europe (mostly Scandinavia and Russia), and taken in winter (when the fur was thickest and also turned color -- grey back and white belly, without the red streaks from the rest of the year). Depending on how the fur was trimmed and assembled, it had different names, e.g. minever (white bellies with a fine line of the grey back remaining around each belt) or pured minever (white only), among others. It took a zillion of the little creatures to make one fur (meaning a large assembled piece) so that's a lot of trapping, preparing, and sewing. One of the useful tools Veale includes is a glossary of the various furs and fur terms. She has a separate section just for Baltic squirrel with nearly 40 terms broken down as meaning various colors, places of origin, quality levels, stage and manner of preparation, etc. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 14:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IInqCa014751 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:49:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IInSfB061316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IInN0n077416; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound3.mail.tds.net (outbound3.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IInIq5077342 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta01.mail.tds.net (outaamta01.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.31]) by outbound3.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j9IInHv2014066 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from host ([69.21.248.16]) by outaamta01.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20051018184917.EVJK15475.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@host> for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:49:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c5d414$840e6ee0$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200510181614.j9IGENcP056124@net.indra.com> Subject: Re:[h-cost] Napoleonic train Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's a tinyurl for it... http://tinyurl.com/8ofvj and the second one... http://tinyurl.com/a32zx The train is stunning! Thank you for the link. Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 15:07:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IJ7p6e015202 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IJ7Ku4063519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJ7BND090246; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJ768B090143 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f556a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.106]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EF745262885 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:06:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c5d417$25cc9cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:07:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] court train X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for posting the link. Embroidery is stunning but honnestly i would never have made it on a purple velvet. It dont match gold i think. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 15:24:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IJO6vY015712 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:24:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IJNils065851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJNdTc003001; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJNTjw002797 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.8e.322d30bd (48552) for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.322d30bd.3086a5a6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:23:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] court train To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/18/2005 3:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Embroidery is stunning but honnestly i would never have made it on a purple velvet. It dont match gold i think. Ah, but very "imperial," isn't it? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 15:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IJmXa1017150 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:48:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IJm07T069493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJlrta021491; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IJleYj021310 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f556a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.106]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EAA926286A for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c5d41c$d475cd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8e.322d30bd.3086a5a6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] court train Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:47:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps it was because he was emperor and not king. Kings uses red,`? At the danish national museum there is an embroidered court suit made for the danish ambassador in Paris. He wore this when Napoleon was crowned. Denmark was for Napoleon, and as you all know, the english came and bombed Copenhagen. A very bad mistake! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] court train > > In a message dated 10/18/2005 3:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > Embroidery is stunning but honnestly i would > never have made it on a purple velvet. > It dont match gold i think. > > > > Ah, but very "imperial," isn't it? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 17:00:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IL0We1019398 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IKxbrN078072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IKxSpc077499; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IKxITF077389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9IKqejf021392 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:52:40 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43556225.8040203@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:59:17 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Napoleonic train References: <001801c5d40c$4ca931e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <001801c5d40c$4ca931e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Dictator and tyrant Napoleon may have been, but he certainly > was a style-guru. :-) I wish I could see it up close. At this level it looks like he's been attacked by a tablecloth! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 17:09:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IL9Mtm019582 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:09:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IL94mj079144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IL90ki084765; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IL8q5o084577 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A3A3B5ED for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:08:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435564A5.8000303@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:09:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] court train References: <8e.322d30bd.3086a5a6@aol.com> <002b01c5d41c$d475cd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002b01c5d41c$d475cd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, but the purple velvet is not original to the embroidery. If you read the "lot notes" at the very end of the page, it says that Napoleon's robes as described at the time of his coronation differed in detail from the one presented here, and also that the embroidery here has been re-applied to purple velvet of a later period. Dawn Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Perhaps it was because he was emperor and not king. Kings uses red,`? > At the danish national museum there is an embroidered court suit made > for the danish ambassador in Paris. He wore this when Napoleon was crowned. > Denmark was for Napoleon, and as you all know, the english came and > bombed Copenhagen. A very bad mistake! > > >> >> In a message dated 10/18/2005 3:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: >> >> Embroidery is stunning but honnestly i would >> never have made it on a purple velvet. >> It dont match gold i think. >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 17:37:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ILblGr020200 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ILbFjb082461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ILb3h7006498; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ILasm8006329 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBXL3UVAWXQ92A for (sender ); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K7MGJBEW; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:16:51 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:50:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair Message-ID: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3781110160 X-MAIL-INFO: 33a431353194d46d94d440d1d44029c09000708959490075e47d59517538b1b0752d24f9a479a465f44099d4a4d1 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtFCBy0Kitrt0Rb9XFZ4m6E= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't yet, but a friend of mine who is a spinner did. Made some very successful yarn from it too. She said it didn't need blending because it already had a nice twist in it and made a fairly strong yarn. Arlys On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:15:48 -0400 "Helen Pinto" writes: > Arlys wrote: > > My Border Collie sheds enough to knit a whole new dog. There, > obligatory > > costume content--sort of! ;) > > Have you tried carding, spinning and knitting from it? When I was > college, > a > friend of mine made a sweater from Alfie, her Old English Sheepdog > and > unofficial scene shop mascot. It was soft and a nice grey, although > it did > smell > more than a little like Alfie the first few times it got wet. > > I remember a book from the early 70's called _Knitting from Your > Dog_, but > I can't find it right now. However, there's this one: _Knitting > With Dog > Hair: > Better A Sweater From A Dog You Know and Love Than From A Sheep > You'll Never Meet_ by Kendall Crolius, ISBN: 0312152906. > > -Helen /Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 18:06:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IM6Svw020775 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:06:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IM5xqf086270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IM5p7A028667; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IM5jVs028593 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=UppyzSlVTr3UbQqYvFNrpEGYzWd3mMPmflH/AfH2sSaTk2L4C+WSDw3LjPhYtlgu; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.117] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ERzaa-0008Tr-CY for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:05:45 -0400 Message-ID: <024701c5d430$1421b800$75159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5d37c$c99f6880$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net><001101c5d3df$170b2020$945083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:54:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bde49fbe70a48b6b14035456b6bb023b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carol wrote: > I saw a commercial on TV for a new Swiffer - it's for carpets and has > a sticky pad on the inside to catch the sweepings. I just used mine for the first time, and it pulled everything off the rug- beads, crumbs, hair, thread. You don't want to look at the pad too closely when you take it out. It works. The downside is probably going to be the cost, since replacement pads cost $4 for 12. A good old-fashioned carpet sweeper will probably be more cost effective. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 18:51:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IMpEbS021707 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:51:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IMom2X091977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IMokrN062295; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04 (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IMoDcH061877 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:50:07 -0700 Message-ID: <43557C43.6080309@msn.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:50:43 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archves (was Strange spinning question) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2005 22:50:07.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[496845A0:01C5D436] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, here is a bookmark for some of the emails I was referring to. http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos01/hcos03.cl Sometimes it is easier to "google" the web for what you are looking for and include h-cost too. This allows you to search the body if the email as well as the subject, which in this case didn't contain any of the terms you were looking for. Hope that helps.....at least this gets you somewhere close to the thread (the discussion....not the hairs!). I didn't read it thoroughly, so I don't know if there was much helpful in it. Sg Mac Carlson wrote: > I would be surprised if it hadn't been previously discussed, but > couldn't find anything in the archives for Byssus, Bissus, Sea silk, > seasilk, etc. I even tried fish wool. I'm open for suggestions on > key words to try. > > Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 18:52:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IMqVtL021739 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IMq70l092084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IMq521063120; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53713.mail.yahoo.com (web53713.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9IMq3DJ063043 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msraella@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41972 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2005 22:22:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UD+v3HI1/Q/xLFkTPW64YOyxV0HIuaGgZvfjJTRbtt4+Iv6L9NuNlUtvN3A44PCUMZFvcz7otSKlc1cHnUbUoOUFAitMnYEgrKp+xVjQpIgNveXhanBGoccbWVAkHjnGBnr4n1zXdOJ2LAKwn/iRU3NO3EO4Gnt4KBUzNO8oKKE= ; Message-ID: <20051018222236.41970.qmail@web53713.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.124.229.226] by web53713.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:22:36 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "msraella@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <435526F7.5060200@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would love to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, b. is there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is edited out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook for example). c. closure in the side front? d. corset or no? Thanks Jean/Raella "Only the mediocre are always at their best" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 20:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J0lPpR024077 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J0kuV8004360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J0krvt026571; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J0kn7D026531 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=pEYh+gXbyB0HtylcB+DDDD3SroMn6LXf7QHsfnGILgacmfJn2AtRwuCra+SVI5cs; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.126.141.253] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ES26S-0002el-5Z for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:46:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com> References: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:43:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c5cd565ec5080905e4645c71ed8ec2790350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.126.141.253 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:50 PM -0700 10/18/05, Cynthia J Ley wrote: >I haven't yet, but a friend of mine who is a spinner did. Made some very >successful yarn from it too. She said it didn't need blending because it >already had a nice twist in it and made a fairly strong yarn. When I was actively spinning, I was asked if I'd take a commission from a local afghan (hound) club to make an "afghan afghan." I thought it was a cute idea but didn't have the time. I believe there's also a book on using dog hair in weaving -- IIRC it's titled or subtitled (yes really) "From Woof to Warp." I suppose the temptation was irresistible, really.... -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 21:16:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J1GWCR024716 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J1GAq2007664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1G85W041226; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1G42f041165 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IOL00JM526LYBN8@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:15:56 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cranach dress In-reply-to: <20051018222236.41970.qmail@web53713.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jean/Raella-- I'm doing the Martyrdom of St. Barbara gown (Metropolitan Mus. of Art, NYC) 20,000 beads and counting... The shirt and bodice are definitely connected. Because of how she is kneeling I think it would be a back closure-- at least on this dress. It has a lot of Italian influence to my eye. Side closure... maybe, but nothing evident from the painting. Corset... probably not. Check out that huge book on Cranach. ("Lucas Cranach", by Friedlander and Rosenberg) It shows lots of pics of women with their dresses open, like the multiple paintings of "Lucretia". There are a few back views also. Most of the plates are B&W, but some color.It is a great resource... One of these days I'll finish the darn thing... Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of msraella@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would love to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, b. is there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is edited out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook for example). c. closure in the side front? d. corset or no? Thanks Jean/Raella "Only the mediocre are always at their best" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 21:20:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J1KrdS024808 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J1KS5M008123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1KPpK043257; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1KMVC043179 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.27]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051019012016.HYEI28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01c5d44a$ae443060$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:16:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair > At 1:50 PM -0700 10/18/05, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > >I haven't yet, but a friend of mine who is a spinner did. Made some very > >successful yarn from it too. She said it didn't need blending because it > >already had a nice twist in it and made a fairly strong yarn. > > When I was actively spinning, I was asked if I'd take a commission > from a local afghan (hound) club to make an "afghan afghan." I > thought it was a cute idea but didn't have the time. > > I believe there's also a book on using dog hair in weaving -- IIRC > it's titled or subtitled (yes really) "From Woof to Warp." > > I suppose the temptation was irresistible, really.... > -- For some dog owners the temptation is more a survival reaction. :-) My uncle raises Alaskan Malamutes, and often puppy-sits for other Mala-mutt owners. He has had up to 25 dogs at his acreage at one time. That's a LOT of dog fluff! My Malamutt every spring would shed a garbage bag's worth of soft undercoat, her favorite thing was to sit with me outside and let me pull handfuls of the stuff off of her - much easier than trying to scratch it off herself I'm sure. A friend of my uncle's would come and collect the fluff from him and other Malamute and Samoyed owners then spin and knit the colletion every year, she made a nice bit of money at the season's dog shows selling the results. Softer than you might think, and very warm. :-) Sheridan (missing my dog now...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 21:27:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J1RsFM024949 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J1QGsW008787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1QFlV045971; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1Q8YU045957 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9J1QbTl023730 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:26:37 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J1Q0j6057588 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:26:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051018181600.034f9500@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:18:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress In-Reply-To: <20051018222236.41970.qmail@web53713.mail.yahoo.com> References: <435526F7.5060200@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would love >to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, There's one Cranach painting where the front edges of the dress don't quite line up, as tho the front corners weren't attached to the skirt. But there's another Cranach painting where someone like Lucretia is about to stab herself, and the whole bodice seems to have peeled down to the waist. >b. is there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is >edited out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook >for example). Not on a 'Cranach' dress; only on 'Durer' dresses. >c. closure in the side front? Front, I think. >d. corset or no? Whether or not there's an actual corset, there's some kind of body shaper inside there. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 21:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J1vEHT025767 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J1uhW0011813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1ufFP061564; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1uaou061532 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendy.bliss@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so154040wra for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qEcT3Z8jWYny3h955rBLlujECSSAmyFhIVA6nkb6SATIm/qRfZoDKwOMfUhuS58gxRBzgjQWEHuebQnBA785FNCA2qNH2nePOOG2qFn9JDQLusoSd6sP+Iv4v4DaMOmxQaFcUsK2kAknijMKaGb786oodX/+6kjaBuBHGt/L7PQ= Received: by 10.54.137.20 with SMTP id k20mr379515wrd; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.78.2 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:56:35 -0700 From: Wendy Bliss To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cranach Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9J1vEHT025767 Status: RO Lurking newcomer actually has some input on this one :-) Having made about 50 - literally - of these "placket-front" Germans, maybe I can share some insight. The bodice is indeed attached to the skirt, and the cartridge pleats of the skirt are set horizontally to the bottom of the bodice or a waistband. There's no evidence I have seen yet for bum rolls in Germany in the early 16th century, but this method is documented in Blanche Payne on a military base, as well as seen on existing garments in Uppsala cathedral. (I think it's also referenced in Waffen-und Kostumkunde, but I can't remember which article and volume at the moment.) The opening is on the front side, at the side of the stomacher (see below). There's some debate about whether the bodice laces over a chemise with a placket at the top, or whether the it laces over a whole frontspiece. The existence of contemporary laced-front gowns in France, England and other parts of Germany that have full stomachers suggests that a stomacher is probably correct. Correct or not, it is certainly the one I have had the most luck with. The lacing is done either with lacing strips attached to the inside of the bodice, or small, metal rings attached at the edge. Not corseted. I have tried these gowns with corsets, and the silhouette is all wrong. I use boning in a fan-shaped pattern on the stomacher, which has worked well. (Corded support or a corded corset would probably look even better, but I haven't tried that yet.) And I don;t believe the chemise is attached at all. As to straps across the back, I haven't seen a reason to do them, and I've managed some pretty low-backed styles. The trick is to get the edge of the shoulder piece to sit right in the av joint (that little hollow you can feel on shoulder), and then the shoulders stay put. Hope that's helpful. -Wendy Greenhut-Bliss (Mistress Etaine du Pommier) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 18 22:01:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J21Grq025927 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:01:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J20swY012346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J20tBi063796; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f31.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J20q39063759 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:00:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 02:00:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.37] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510190116.j9J1G9Vo041257@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:00:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 02:00:51.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE5A88B0:01C5D450] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Byssus (was Archves (was Strange spinning question)) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: WickedFrau >Hi Marc, here is a bookmark for some of the emails I was referring to. >http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos01/hcos03.cl... >Hope that helps.....at least this gets you somewhere close to the thread >(the discussion....not the hairs!). I didn't read it thoroughly, so I >don't know if there was much helpful in it. Thanks. Ok, so Byssus is the hairy bits from a particular mollusk, and also may be a sort of fine linen; in both cases a gold color high quality material that may be silk-like, and could possibly be used in cloth of golf, but then again maybe not. Got it :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 00:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J4Athu001041 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J4A31T023741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J49ruc024632; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J49nBp024600 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OpUa+gtDDCohw7JF3d9QF+dEEusP3eL6QWHQLqk+B38AV2YayGssmBcihVwoLwOu; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.146.160] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ES5Gt-0002L2-7u for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:09:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: heather.jones@earthlink.net@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:52:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archves (was Strange spinning question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478852054ce2b0de0fca764229fe19a7350d216fceafc8bb8c4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.146.160 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:57 PM -0500 10/18/05, Marc Carlson wrote: >>From: WickedFrau >>I don't have a whole lot to add to the discussion except that it has >>been discussed on our list before. Might want to check the archives. > >I would be surprised if it hadn't been previously discussed, but >couldn't find anything in the archives for Byssus, Bissus, Sea silk, >seasilk, etc. I even tried fish wool. I'm open for suggestions on >key words to try. Having remembered some sort of discussion on this term before, I searched in my archives and turned up a thread on the Historic-Knit list where I'd done a little research into the history of the words involved. Here's my posting from that list, along with the preceding context. Heather =========================== To: HistoricKnit@yahoogroups.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [HistoricKnit] Re: Greek mussel beard gloves Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: At 8:02 PM -0700 7/28/03, Chris Laning wrote: >At 5:36 PM -0600 7/28/03, Rebecca Perry wrote: >>Today I was watching Jacques Pepin and Julia Child cooking together on TV, >>and he said something about Greek fishermen making gloves out of the >>"beards" of mussels. I googled and found a couple of off-hand mentions of >>this, but no details. Has anyone else ever heard of this? > >I have -- I saw it mentioned in (of all things) a book about cooking seafood. > >Mussels do secrete threads of a very strong substance that looks very >much like silk, in order to attach themselves to the rocks they live >on. The stuff is called "byssus." Apparently it's supposed to be a >lovely golden color and to make very fine yarn. I don't, however, >have any evidence that people actually _used_ this stuff, and I'd >love to know whether there actually is such evidence or whether this >is just a story. (I'd also think it would be rather hard to process >and would take a lof of cleaning before you could use it.) > >The one time I've seen it mentioned is in a book on medieval textiles >in Switzerland (Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Klo:stern >der Schweiz_ by Brigitta Schmedding) where there are some very >fragile scraps of a veil-like material that have been labeled as >"byssus." However determining what they actually are is complicated. >Apparently it's very difficult to tell byssus from silk except >possibly under a microscope, and the current consensus about this >fabric is that it probably is just silk. I'd love to know if there's >any more information out there. > >(P.S. Just to complicate matters, there is also at least one plant >fiber called "byssus," not too surprising since I think that's just It's even more complicated than that. "Byssus" (Greek "byssos", from a Semitic root) starts out meaning "an extremely fine linen", although the word was later extended to (or misinterpreted as referring to) similarly fine cotton or silk fabric. (See, e.g. Lewis & Short's Latin dictionary, Lidel & Scott's Classical Greek dictionary, OED.) I can't find any mention of the use of the word "byssus" for the mollusc filaments earlier than the late 18th century, which is also when the first mention of people using these fibers for textiles starts showing up (OED, ref. William Beck's "The Draper's Dictionary"). But it's clear that the mollusc filaments were named after the linen textile because of their fineness. I would tend to assume that any medieval reference to byssus would be to the linen fabric (or to the silk or cotton analogs). I suspect that a fair amount of the confusion comes from a greater modern familiarity with the term in reference to shellfish than in the older usage. That is, you get people reading an early reference to "byssus" and assuming that it means the mollusc filaments, and perhaps then elaborating on that concept by assumption only. It seems to me that one clear distinction between silk and mollusc byssus would be the length of the fibers. (Beck's mention describes the mollusc byssus being spun to produce a thread.) Unless you've got an underwater byssus farm where you're attaching weights to the end of the byssus thread and drawing it out as the mollusc produces it, I don't see how you're going to get fibers longer than a few inches. In fact, I'd want to see someone go through the process of turning mollusc byssus into cloth before I'll be convinced that it's a plausible process, rather than being a myth produced by a misunderstanding, similar to the "vegetable lamb". -- ***** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 00:46:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9J4kEbs002410 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J4jutc026807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J4jsRl039921; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J4jniH039859 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9J4kJTl006564 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:46:19 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9J4jhwT032146 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:45:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051018214146.02556eb8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:43:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cranach Dress In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > As to straps across the back, I haven't seen a reason to do them, and I've >managed some pretty low-backed styles. The trick is to get the edge of the >shoulder piece to sit right in the av joint (that little hollow you can feel >on shoulder), and then the shoulders stay put. The dresses in Albrecht Durer illustrations - the ones with the wide U-shaped neckline - sometimes have straps across the back. Woodcuts show them, but only on those dresses. I've never seen one on a "Cranach" dress. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 06:27:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JARrXL007748 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JAR6Ju066888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JAR2Ha075194; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav4.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JAQwUS075144 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 141.152.186.235 by BAY20-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:26:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.152.186.235] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c5d40c$1cab1f80$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:26:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:26:51 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 10:26:52.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F254FE0:01C5D497] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9JARrXL007748 Status: RO I just bought a Bissell Flip-It, which vacuums with one side and washes & dries with the other, and was underwhelmed. The vacuum isn't very powerful, and the washing side is great if your floors aren't really dirty. My next attempt will be with the Hoover version of the same idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: lindasterner To: h-costume Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] hardwood floors and bissels I don`t know how well the bissels work on hardwood floors. We do use them on both carpet and tile floors at the restaurant. However.....I really don`t know about dog hair either (no dogs have ever come into to eat there yet!!) :) Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 06:30:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JAUpvq009209 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JAUW9R067400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JAUWXx077060; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JAUTOZ077036 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 817625226 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:30:27 -0500 Message-ID: <009c01c5d498$35afac30$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com> <006a01c5d44a$ae443060$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: [h-cost] now dog hair Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:31:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can confirm that dog hair makes lovely fabric, whether woven or knit or felted. Any dog that blows a fine, soft undercoat (usually in the spring) makes a good candidate. If it's at least an inch and a half long, most people will not be able to distinguish it from angora (rabbit) in a finished object. The main objection is odor. If the dog smells, the fabric will too. Sometimes the odor can be washed out at the yarn stage, but sometimes it can't. I made several skeins of yarn from my rough collie's undercoat, and it has no odor at all, even when wet. I've spun fiber from a chow chow that stank from beginning to end and did not wash out. If you spin, and someone offers you dog fluff, take care. Check it for strong odor, and make sure it was combed out, not shaved off. Shaved fur needs to be de-haired and it's a job No One wants! If you are trying to emulate white fur trim on an outfit, and don't want to use fur skins, a finely knit white angora yarn, made from prime plucked angora, can be brushed out into a very impressive mock fur. Denise B. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 06:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JAvL5f013487 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JAuh74069051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JAufUJ087635; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9J1wmhU062479 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051019015842.SPAA670.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:58:42 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.165.75]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051019015842.TQYQ426.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:58:42 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.12.4]); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:58:44 +1300 Message-ID: <00aa01c5d450$a2e73220$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018222236.41970.qmail@web53713.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:58:44 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO << I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would love to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, b. is there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is edited out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook for example). c. closure in the side front? d. corset or no?>> Ooh boy, can o worms here we come;) Seriously this style of dress is not as easily understood as many because we have to rely so much on artwork of the time, which as anyone knows is not an infallable method of understanding fine detail;) That said, there is a lot we can say about the Saxon court style based on paintings and woodcuts. Closure: I have never seen any example of back fastening, nor indeed a centre back seam in any of the artwork I've seen*. At least not prior to the take up of Spanish influenced dress of the later part of the century. Closed front bodices probaly closed up the side, and not side back. Again I have never seen evidence of side back seams in any of the paintings of German (or Swiss, or Austrian etc) women. Nor woodcuts either. Side seams are nearly invisible to us due to arms usually hiding that area. So it's mostly conjecture at this point. The open fronted bodices with lacing are probably fastened using the lacing and either hooks and eyes at the top or pins to keep the bust section in place. As for where the skirt fastens... either at the side front where the front of the bodice ends or at centre front. The Mary of Hungary dress which is contemporary with this style (and resembles it in a very toned down manner) appears to fasten at the centre front of the skirt. There is a centre front seam, so it makes sense to have the fastening there. Attachment of skirt: yes, sewn to the bodice. There are a few paintings where it seems that the gurads of the bodice extend over the skirt, but I'd like to see the paintings in person to see if there is a reason for it (restoration etc) Band: I honestly have no idea what you are referring to here. (Use of terms issue here rather than what we are seeing?) There are no bands edited out of paintings (restored? Omitted by the painter?) that I have heard of. The only bands I can think of in the Master of the House Book appear on the front of male and female garments. They are more like lacing rather than bands as well. There is the brustfleck which is worn on somehting that is widely argued about;) The decorative band that sits on top of the (usually) white section above the lacing at the front is what I am referring to. Corsets: well..... there is a woodcut that shows somehting that looks awfully like a (softly) boned garment like that worn by Eleanora di Toledo. It hooks up the font and shows equidistant vertical lines, as one would see in boning channels. However the garment is rather soft, so obviously not boned with anything rigid. It may even be simply quilted. In Textiler Hausrat there is mention of Mieder (translated as corsets) but as I don't have the book so I can't say how early this term is used, or if it's a term used by the author (the book is in German.) There are also examples in painting of what appear to be sleeveless bodices (hard to find the skirts so it's hard to say if it's just a bodice or a full length undergarment.) I've tried a pair of bodies, kirtles and a few self-supporting German dresses. I prefer the ease of a single layer (self supporting) but find it hard to adjust down when I stretch the dress with wear;) Or fom weight loss, which happens at each event longer than a day. I'm also heading into later period and am having to work out a few odd layers of a regional style dress;) I would heartily recommend underskirts if you don't go for a kirtle type garment, the skirts in Saxon Court dresses tend to have a fair bit of flair at the hem which do need some support. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com * I have seen a tapestry (well photo of one) that shows funky back lacing, but it appears ot be decorative rather than finctional. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/142 - Release Date: 18/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 07:05:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JB5km5013649 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JB5MJd069713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JB5Mtv091415; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JB5GWR091369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9JAwbjf029053 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:58:37 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43562869.6070608@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:05:13 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels References: <000f01c5d40c$1cab1f80$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nancy Kiel wrote: > I just bought a Bissell Flip-It, which vacuums with one side and washes & dries with the other, and was underwhelmed. That sounds like a much different item than a carpet sweeper. Here's the carpet sweeper from one company: http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=11757&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=46&iSubCat=212&iProductID=11757 -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 07:15:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JBF6Xl013800 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JBEiOK070409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBEe5G095398; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBEaPm095333 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051019111431.NIYI670.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:14:31 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.165.75]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051019111430.JLUI426.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:14:30 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.12.4]); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:14:33 +1300 Message-ID: <00fc01c5d49e$48a94020$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018.141604.3100.2.Cley@juno.com><006a01c5d44a$ae443060$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <009c01c5d498$35afac30$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: angora Re: [h-cost] now dog hair Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:14:33 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If you are trying to emulate white fur trim on an outfit, and don't want to > use fur skins, a finely knit white angora yarn, made from prime plucked > angora, can be brushed out into a very impressive mock fur. Hehehe, and if the knit is felted it also works;) I have a short cross over chest warmer that was once upon a time a batwinged regular sized jumper. I bought it felted so made it into a wearble garment.I have been seriously thinking about using it as a white fur trim for some garb. I'm pretty sure it's angora. It's very white and super soft. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/142 - Release Date: 18/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 07:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JBZKi7014214 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JBYSGa072005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBYJij004379; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBYCUW004303 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9JBY2R07307.; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:34:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:34:02 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:33:48 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vair Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9JBZKi7014214 Status: RO Out of curiosity, Robin, do you know if the "Baltic squirrel" was a distinct species, or a local variant of the European squirrel Sciurus vulgaris? British ones (now sadly rare) are bright red, and I've seen dark brown ones in Switzerland. I can imagine that Northern ones might develop a thicker and paler coat in winter. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 18/10/2005 18:58 >>> wrote: "Vair" wasn't just "squirrel," but the fur of the Baltic red squirrel, specifically certain ones imported from the coldest areas of northern and central Europe (mostly Scandinavia and Russia), and taken in winter (when the fur was thickest and also turned color -- grey back and white belly, without the red streaks from the rest of the year). Depending on how the fur was trimmed and assembled, it had different names, e.g. minever (white bellies with a fine line of the grey back remaining around each belt) or pured minever (white only), among others. It took a zillion of the little creatures to make one fur (meaning a large assembled piece) so that's a lot of trapping, preparing, and sewing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 07:56:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JBuYmq014668 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:56:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JBuA69074102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBu8PO015784; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JBu2Q7015732 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:56:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20493 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:20:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:20:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Out of curiosity, Robin, do you know if the "Baltic squirrel" was a > distinct species, or a local variant of the European squirrel Sciurus > vulgaris? British ones (now sadly rare) are bright red, and I've seen > dark brown ones in Switzerland. I can imagine that Northern ones might > develop a thicker and paler coat in winter. Veale says: "The quality and colour of the fur of the red squirrel varies according to its age, the time of year, the climate, the vegetation in which it lives, and the food on which it feeds. Thus while in the height of winter, when the animal's protective covering is at its richest, its back is grey and its belly white, later in the year the fur is thinner and streaked with red, and there is even more red in the skins of young ones. In more northerly climates the colour of the back is paler than in the thicker forests to the south, where in the winter its coat is a darker grey ranging almost to black, and at other times a warm chestnut red. Such wide variations have led naturalists to list innumerable varieties of the species, _sciurus vulgaris_." And much more. The book is worth a read! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 08:38:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JCcM8T015894 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:38:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JCbnaH077433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JCbjbp032970; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JCbSBT032809 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE0001DC; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:37:20 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Oct 05 12:37:15 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5d4aa$59de5900$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051018.070951.2936.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:40:54 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pretty well, actually. I use mine for crumming the non-carpet floors quite often. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper > How do they work on hardwood floors? > > My Border Collie sheds enough to knit a whole new dog. There, obligatory > costume content--sort of! ;) > > Arlys > > > > At the restaurant where I work we use Bissel carpet sweepers all the > > time. > > We cannot use vacuum cleaners in the restaurant because they kick up > > dust > > and stuff. These sweepers are fantastic!!! They even pick up > > french fries > > and ice too!!! They are $27 at Walmart. > > > > Linda S. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 08:55:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JCtTBF016204 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JCtANr078589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JCt8Zu040393; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JCt5a4040324 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A2220228; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:54:58 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Oct 05 12:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c5d4ac$d091b2c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5d37c$c99f6880$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net><001101c5d3df$170b2020$945083d1@rmitchellras> <024701c5d430$1421b800$75159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:58:32 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The of the ones I have works on the principle of a removable "box" that collects all the floor stuff so that all you have to do is snap it out for emptying and clip it on again. The other one works like a typical Bissell. You just raise the undersides and empty it directly in the wastebin; no pads to be replaced. Kathleen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] carpet sweeper > Carol wrote: > > I saw a commercial on TV for a new Swiffer - it's for carpets and has > > a sticky pad on the inside to catch the sweepings. > > I just used mine for the first time, and it pulled everything off the rug- > beads, crumbs, hair, thread. You don't want to look at the pad too closely > when you take it out. It works. > The downside is probably going to be the cost, since replacement pads cost > $4 for 12. A good old-fashioned carpet sweeper will probably be more cost > effective. > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 10:59:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JExDmF019728 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JEwEF0089982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JEw1QP012932; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9JEvrjo012805 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 6209 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2005 15:41:55 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:41:54 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1120.67.188.164.116.1129734118.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <00aa01c5d450$a2e73220$0401010a@michaela> References: <20051018222236.41970.qmail@web53713.mail.yahoo.com> <00aa01c5d450$a2e73220$0401010a@michaela> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > << I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would > love > to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, b. > is > there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is > edited > out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook for > example). c. closure in the side front? d. corset or no?>> > > > Ooh boy, can o worms here we come;) > > Seriously this style of dress is not as easily understood as many because > we > have to rely so much on artwork of the time, which as anyone knows is not > an > infallable method of understanding fine detail;) > > That said, there is a lot we can say about the Saxon court style based on > paintings and woodcuts. > > Closure: I have never seen any example of back fastening, nor indeed a > centre back seam in any of the artwork I've seen*. This was something I found as well...I was trying to find examples of woodcuts for a class I was teaching that showed a center back seam. And page after page showed me nothing. One lady said she had a woodcut with side back seams but when I asked if she would share it with me, she didn't know where it was. I found a couple of side seams but NO back seams. When I re-worked my pattern without the center back seam, it worked just fine (the center back seam was straight anyway). Another thing I noticed was that there were no seams at the top of the armhole. My theory is that there really is a seam there but the trim placed over the top doesn't have one and it hides the seam underneath. And after I patterned it out, it is possible to cut the trim that goes down the front of the bodice and around the back of the neckline in one piece. Without sending you a picture, I can't explain it in words. But it can be done! (If anyone wants a picture and example of how I do it, e-mail me offline.) I just wanted to validate Michaela's comments.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 12:12:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JGCFsc021704 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:12:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JGBge0000326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JGBags072471; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f32.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JGBDJn072121 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:11:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:11:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510191115.j9JBEflx095410@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:11:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 16:11:06.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[B606DA50:01C5D4C7] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archves (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Heather Rose Jones >Having remembered some sort of discussion on this term before, I >searched in my archives and turned up a thread on the Historic-Knit >list where I'd done a little research into the history of the words >involved. Here's my posting from that list, along with the preceding >context. Thank you. >It's even more complicated than that. "Byssus" (Greek "byssos", from >a Semitic root) starts out meaning "an extremely fine linen", >although the word was later extended to (or misinterpreted as >referring to) similarly fine cotton or silk fabric. (See, e.g. Lewis >& Short's Latin dictionary, Lidel & Scott's Classical Greek >dictionary, OED.) I can't find any mention of the use of the word >"byssus" for the mollusc filaments earlier than the late 18th >century, which is also when the first mention of people using these >fibers for textiles starts showing up (OED, ref. William Beck's "The >Draper's Dictionary"). But it's clear that the mollusc filaments >were named after the linen textile because of their fineness. I don't have a problem with this, except for this article that says this knited cap is from the oceanic version :) I'm inclined to accept that at face value since it's a grave find from Paris, and is in (relatively) good condition - something I wouldn't expect from linen. Not impossible, just... odd. There is aproblem with assumptions in translation (as you know) - if we are under the assumption that "byssus" means mollusk beard, we are going to tend to read all occurances of the word with that meaning, and the same goes for the linen interpretation. Moreover, Dictionaries are written by people who are working with their own assumptions. And the OED is by no means perfect, they only list those terms that they have been given (My favorite OED word, BTW is "Caribbean" - it doesn't exist). Byssus/Bissus doesn't appear in the Middle English Dictionary (or the paper version at least). Now, we know there IS a fabric called byssus, that is silky fine and goes back to antiquity. We have unarguable evidence that at least some of that material is the linen. No sweat. AND you are probably right that the mollusk hair has been called this because of it's resemblance to the linen, just as cotton may have been called this for the same reason. I'm still stuck with a fairly reputable resource telling me it's fish-wool :) And it hasn't rotted away. I'd like them to examine it closer (It it's fine linen, it will be easier to convince my wife to knit one for me.... >end of the byssus thread and drawing it out as the mollusc produces >it, I don't see how you're going to get fibers longer than a few >inches. I believe the strands are supposed to be about 6 inches long. I'm pretty sure that a lot of wool fibers are in that range (although I could be totally wrong there) >In fact, I'd want to see someone go through the process of turning >mollusc byssus into cloth before I'll be convinced that it's a >plausible process, rather than being a myth produced by a >misunderstanding, similar to the "vegetable lamb". I would like to see it myself. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 12:25:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JGP9up022201 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JGOeUv002119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JGOZO9083182; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9JGOTJK082992 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52542 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2005 16:24:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3g1VG+ToXXQsqgtj3BxpUdHHzH7T00n/6eNXTYVhFJv/fUpXY44hNW7fCYGlSjFGb5Mxfie+xUEzIRmqJagAMhheZ2pS6wwS+j6M3f6zzFhmm9gaOS4sZzqlUJw4l5+id31vflGhzvLpgaHyRCNGGwUWflWmpqhdooRgQBtt4F0= ; Message-ID: <20051019162414.52540.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:24:13 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510191115.j9JBEflx095410@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My high school German teacher (who was Danish) made beautiful sweaters from her malamutes' hair. I used to have a Mala-mutt that produced the loveliest pure white under coat fluff that we saved for another woman that spun and knitted sweaters from dog hair. As for the stench - a lot of this depends on the dog's lifestyle. Not always, but typically, a dog that is not allowed access to lovely odorous things to roll in - this includes normal ordinary organic matter - tends not to stink horribly when wet. Annette M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:16:04 -0400 From: "Shane & Sheridan" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <006a01c5d44a$ae443060$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair > At 1:50 PM -0700 10/18/05, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > >I haven't yet, but a friend of mine who is a spinner did. Made some very > >successful yarn from it too. She said it didn't need blending because it > >already had a nice twist in it and made a fairly strong yarn. > > When I was actively spinning, I was asked if I'd take a commission > from a local afghan (hound) club to make an "afghan afghan." I > thought it was a cute idea but didn't have the time. > > I believe there's also a book on using dog hair in weaving -- IIRC > it's titled or subtitled (yes really) "From Woof to Warp." > > I suppose the temptation was irresistible, really.... > -- For some dog owners the temptation is more a survival reaction. :-) My uncle raises Alaskan Malamutes, and often puppy-sits for other Mala-mutt owners. He has had up to 25 dogs at his acreage at one time. That's a LOT of dog fluff! My Malamutt every spring would shed a garbage bag's worth of soft undercoat, her favorite thing was to sit with me outside and let me pull handfuls of the stuff off of her - much easier than trying to scratch it off herself I'm sure. A friend of my uncle's would come and collect the fluff from him and other Malamute and Samoyed owners then spin and knit the colletion every year, she made a nice bit of money at the season's dog shows selling the results. Softer than you might think, and very warm. :-) Sheridan (missing my dog now...) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:31:04 -0500 From: "Land of Oz" Subject: [h-cost] now dog hair To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <009c01c5d498$35afac30$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I can confirm that dog hair makes lovely fabric, whether woven or knit or felted. Any dog that blows a fine, soft undercoat (usually in the spring) makes a good candidate. If it's at least an inch and a half long, most people will not be able to distinguish it from angora (rabbit) in a finished object. The main objection is odor. If the dog smells, the fabric will too. Sometimes the odor can be washed out at the yarn stage, but sometimes it can't. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 13:13:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JHDafG023576 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JHCsFY008514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JHCox5024144; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.198.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JHCiaa023982 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter18.comcast.net[204.127.197.128]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005101917123801400ebdh6e>; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:12:38 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:12:37 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] now dog hair Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:12:37 +0000 Message-Id: <101920051712.18252.43567E8500024B710000474C22070009539C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also have spun rough collie hair fluff with wool - back in high school (too many years to think about). What I did thought was to add the dog fluff with the wool and then spun it. The ending product was very soft. Unfortunately, I did not get to make the resulting yarn in to a garment but into a woven tapestry. One day, I would like to pick up spinning and weaving again. Right now, I only have an inkle loom and a small table top loom that needs parts replaced on it (I'm just not sure what pieces have to be replaced). Can anyone suggest a good book that shows each of the parts of a small loom? Roscelin > I can confirm that dog hair makes lovely fabric, whether woven or knit or > felted. Any dog that blows a fine, soft undercoat (usually in the spring) > makes a good candidate. If it's at least an inch and a half long, most > people will not be able to distinguish it from angora (rabbit) in a finished > object. The main objection is odor. If the dog smells, the fabric will too. > Sometimes the odor can be washed out at the yarn stage, but sometimes it > can't. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 13:23:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JHNFZs023808 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JHMsLP010047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JHMmxV032844; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JHMdNd032690 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ESHe7-0004q9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22981681.1129742555635.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:22:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archives (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc wrote: >I'm still stuck with a fairly reputable resource telling me it's fish-wool >:) And it hasn't rotted away. I'd like them to examine it closer (It it's >fine linen, it will be easier to convince my wife to knit one for me.... Well, I think the discussion came up before from a piece described in a similarly reputable source, namely Brigitta Schmedding's _Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Klo:stern der Schweiz_, an Abegg Institute publication. >I believe the strands are supposed to be about 6 inches long. I'm pretty >sure that a lot of wool fibers are in that range (although I could be >totally wrong there) 6 inches is rather on the long side for wool, IIRC, but not impossible. A quick look through a microscope is enough to tell immediately whether it's a plant fiber or an animal fiber. So you could in theory at least determine quite easily whether it's linen or not. But my recollection from the bits of research I did then is that mollusk byssus is a protein fiber and looks a lot like silk. Whether mollusk byssus and silk can be told apart just by visual observation I don't know. Certainly in the age of DNA sequencing there ought to be tests that can tell mollusk protein from silkworm protein. I would want to see _that_, rather than, say, reports from the 1930's that "scientists" have determined what the stuff is -- which is the sort of data that all too often is the only information we have on some of these textile questions. I think the skeptical position would be that certain very fine items have been traditionally described as "byssus," but that this description may have originally referred only to their fineness, and been mistakenly amended later by someone who thought the word _had_ to refer to the mollusk stuff. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 14:50:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JIoa36026042 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:50:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JInnWC022058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JIniDa003622; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JInev2003574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-116.sonic.net [209.148.114.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JIncXN000788 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: <43569544.4010200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:49:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] U of Penn Press book on fashion in 14th c Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just ran across this forthcoming book when checking the online database listings for our books at our wholesaler's (in a search for our _Fashions of the Gilded Age_): *Gilding the Market: Luxury And Fashion in Fourteenth Century Italy (Middle Ages Series) (Hardcover), by Susan Mosher Stuard, University of Pennsylvania Press The publisher's description of the book is on the following web page: http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14208.html I don't know anything else about it, but thought h-costume members would be interested. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 15:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JJ0FAc026350 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:00:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JIsTPZ022577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JIsSYN007236; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JIsLN5007159 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:54:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.189] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510191801.j9JI0Wrn064313@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:54:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 18:54:21.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[84182410:01C5D4DE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archives (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Chris Laning >Well, I think the discussion came up before from a piece described in a >similarly reputable source, >namely Brigitta Schmedding's _Mittelalterliche >Textilien in Kirchen und Klo:stern der Schweiz_, an >Abegg Institute >publication. I seem to have missed the earlier messages other than they were referring to "cloth of gold" >But my recollection from the bits of research I did then is that mollusk >byssus is a protein fiber and >looks a lot like silk. Whether mollusk >byssus and silk can be told apart just by visual observation I >don't know. >Certainly in the age of DNA sequencing there ought to be tests that can >tell mollusk >protein from silkworm protein. I would want to see _that_, >rather than, say, reports from the >1930's that "scientists" have >determined what the stuff is -- which is the sort of data that all too > >often is the only information we have on some of these textile questions. No, I'm sure THAT *never* happens - *ahem*... (If we were lucky enough to have someone as recent as the 30s make the determination, as happens occasionally with shoes too). >I think the skeptical position would be that certain very fine items have >been traditionally >described as "byssus," but that this description may >have originally referred only to their fineness, >and been mistakenly >amended later by someone who thought the word _had_ to refer to the > >mollusk stuff. The *skeptical* position would be that the someone thought the word _had_ to refer to the mollusk stuff, -or- the linen stuff (or the silk, cotton, asbestos or whatever else has been called "byssus" over the years :) ) I agree - I think the word has to do with a certain level of fineness though. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 15:05:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JJ5sTQ026453 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:05:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JJ5QBX024225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JJ5O8q016081; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53701.mail.yahoo.com (web53701.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9JJ5IQB015959 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msraella@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62790 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2005 18:58:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GbHinqphZUrLPfNZY1Z+xOHMMSQYm+lkIUXPzPPxgFaGAT2IsQ8k5DpHcvpvsNnAZc5v0/DMhhKvFMkXT0DhV/SEb5eE6I77UFIvOsw15RpJ+ok/HmKFw+oJmtdHZJzqQ09n28vjEwfFh9F80NGYFlw/fFnnuPIw6sr3lQ5x2dk= ; Message-ID: <20051019185853.62788.qmail@web53701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.124.229.226] by web53701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:58:53 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "msraella@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1120.67.188.164.116.1129734118.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for all the replies! After perusing a lot of paintings it looks like the bodice is attached; the front piece seems to detach entirely, (Thank you Lucretia paintings!); skirt part laces up the front, (Most likely); back neckline appears to vary greatly in depth from almost backless to fairly high across the shoulder blades. I'm unsure about the pleating. Some sites insist on cartridge pleating but not all the paintings look like cartridge pleats. I'm thinking the front piece (Top part) is held in place with hook & eyes while the bottom is laced from side to side through concealed lacing rings. Now another question, many of the portraits have a bodice style that while still having the piece in front also have a high collar. Could you make a jacket without sleeves rather than making 2 dresses, one with the collar and one without? I have seen what looks like a capelet with a high collar that gives much the same effect. Thanks Jean/Raella Diana Habra wrote: > << I'm doing some research on the german "Cranach" dress style. I would > love > to hear thoughts, ideas, websites etc. for a. Bodice: attached or not, b. > is > there a band of fabric from shoulder to shoulder at the back that is > edited > out of most paintings (But is often seen in the German housebook for > example). c. closure in the side front? d. corset or no?>> > > > Ooh boy, can o worms here we come;) > > Seriously this style of dress is not as easily understood as many because > we > have to rely so much on artwork of the time, which as anyone knows is not > an > infallable method of understanding fine detail;) > > That said, there is a lot we can say about the Saxon court style based on > paintings and woodcuts. > > Closure: I have never seen any example of back fastening, nor indeed a > centre back seam in any of the artwork I've seen*. This was something I found as well...I was trying to find examples of woodcuts for a class I was teaching that showed a center back seam. And page after page showed me nothing. One lady said she had a woodcut with side back seams but when I asked if she would share it with me, she didn't know where it was. I found a couple of side seams but NO back seams. When I re-worked my pattern without the center back seam, it worked just fine (the center back seam was straight anyway). Another thing I noticed was that there were no seams at the top of the armhole. My theory is that there really is a seam there but the trim placed over the top doesn't have one and it hides the seam underneath. And after I patterned it out, it is possible to cut the trim that goes down the front of the bodice and around the back of the neckline in one piece. Without sending you a picture, I can't explain it in words. But it can be done! (If anyone wants a picture and example of how I do it, e-mail me offline.) I just wanted to validate Michaela's comments.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume "Only the mediocre are always at their best" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 15:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JJ8NAh026510 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:08:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JJ80dN024543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JJ7wwT018106; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JJ7s8G018056 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so264102wra for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ARIPROzLjHpS++7aJ6LTj6B+1qElJo/xUZf9eMZMZ+EGV5mOus+ZUmk7Iwe/RCYo/+EbQx2ixfv2c0QbtoAitofzl7Yc/WOPqQd/Kmch+e2zjf8CJfXGho2XpJKHzWzrEYJdloeQei2zgPrqVHJDmx2y0LFFPA4pUoqbng4UerQ= Received: by 10.54.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr719339wrc; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.13 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510191207o4d1574e3g96f073607e5c986c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:07:53 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Free pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9JJ8NAh026510 Status: RO I got this from a pattern company who's newsletter I get. the user name and pass you need is in the post so don't panic, just read carefully. 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Please note, there are 2 files here, the combined size of these files is around 3MB so if you're using dial up, you may have a bit of a wait....but it'll be so worth it. http://www.hotpatterns.com/downloads/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 17:17:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JLHB3Y029324 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:17:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JLGem3050922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JLGVav023618; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53303.mail.yahoo.com (web53303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9JLGDtO023350 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47536 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2005 21:08:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GGW42iID2aQJ2t0xLiGS/UbIoMJU3lYSrpGfHjBegOqw/qIyr43IvDs8rG4+V3pA0h8J8EaI2xGl693wUczCLjoIKP+CEl9/HD1mV3DUfX7XzBRzGutokvc0Kn/J2eIdd/Ul45jd848xM0UCppFOp07Oub5H885FH7IsZ8MrXmM= ; Message-ID: <20051019210837.47534.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:08:37 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carletta da Nicolosi Subject: Re: [h-cost] Free pattern To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510191207o4d1574e3g96f073607e5c986c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for sharing this! Great timing for Holiday gift giving. ~Carletta Lady Carletta da Nicolosi Central Regional Chronicler Kingdom of Ansteorra --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 19:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JNOBo9031218 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JNNV5v068767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNNKOP023843; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNNFww023760 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:23:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4356D583.50102@msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:23:47 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Archves (was Strange spinning question) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 23:23:09.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[11294530:01C5D504] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc, you are affiliated with a University right? So I wouldn't be giving anything away by sharing this source I found? *Die textilen Byssus-Reliquien des Christlichen Abendlandes, aufbewahrt in den Kirchen zu Köln, Aachen, Cornelimünster, Mainz and Prag.* *Author: *Bock, Franz, 1823-1899. *Publication: *Aachen, 1895 *Document: *German : Book Now granted it is written in a "suspect" time, but it migh have some clues. You have my curiosity peaked now. BTW, I checked the electronic Middle English Compendium and neither Byssus nor Bissus are there. This might be a prospective lead: http://www.helfordmarineconservation.co.uk/newsletters/30article2.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 19:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JNRYnU031255 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:27:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JNQvi1069122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNQvc8025996; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNQsai025914 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4356D65C.50001@msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:27:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 23:26:46.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[92A3C900:01C5D504] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archves (was Strange spinning question)-the gloves are online at the British Museum! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *http://tinyurl.com/cpvvu Well, if it is true, there they are! Cool... Sg * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 19:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9JNfsuS031435 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:41:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9JNfWtK070676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNfUFY034584; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9JNfQSC034523 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:21 -0700 Message-ID: <4356D9C7.7060708@msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:59 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 23:41:21.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BF08B40:01C5D506] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pinna Wool-a whole dang article! (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO More cool stuff! http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/n1dr7rfquj3kng4pxgfy/contributions/e/a/0/4/ea04bp9fjbb5k73n.pdf *http://tinyurl.com/7hk3z* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 20:12:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9K0C615031857 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K0BmqV074437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K0BjKN053021; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K0Bfsr052925 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4356E0DD.4080804@msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:12:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] U of Penn Press book on fashion in 14th c Italy References: <43569544.4010200@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <43569544.4010200@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 00:11:35.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[D52702A0:01C5D50A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for sharing: There are a bunch in this catalogue I would like to read! http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/catalogue/medren04.pdf Especially the one on markets and shopping in the Renaissance..... Sg Lavolta Press wrote: > *Gilding the Market: Luxury And Fashion in Fourteenth Century Italy > (Middle Ages Series) (Hardcover), by Susan Mosher Stuard, University > of Pennsylvania Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 20:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9K0dGcL032175 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K0cjTx077400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K0cdh9067451; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K0cZ2E067334 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25843CEA3 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:38:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4356E703.9060405@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:38:27 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Free pattern References: <20051019210837.47534.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051019210837.47534.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carletta da Nicolosi wrote: > Thanks for sharing this! Great timing for Holiday gift giving. > > Yes, thanks! And poke around the website there. Several interesting pattern collections for those who like to wear something a little offbeat. Love the Pirate Queen pantsuit! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 21:06:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9K1612b032549 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K15WNa080015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K15RIO081126; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K15QlJ081105 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so319722wra for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b/N++oXz0PMEiZpF4R01YxErIHkTLlW8nKGWWzYU3Y57YSlfVvkF49MIDGE5xw02wk97tEXhoX7eviTAyqYTR5waMsaO1dP+x/pBLFga/JZapkG7GJHRDEsDof/AhrOJ0PxIpNwf6jKAktoJNIE6uEPUr9DQCUALb+uYVEwAVQE= Received: by 10.54.157.6 with SMTP id f6mr863593wre; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.13 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510191805g259dde7cod679386eb8db4f4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:05:25 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Free pattern In-Reply-To: <4356E703.9060405@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051019210837.47534.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com> <4356E703.9060405@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9K1612b032549 Status: RO They have some GREAT patterns. Easy go together and so many different looks. Certain collections are interchangable. If you want more modern stuff for yourself or maybe a teenager they have great stuff based off people like Stella McCartney's designs. Bice On 10/19/05, Dawn wrote: > > Carletta da Nicolosi wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this! Great timing for Holiday gift giving. > > > > > > Yes, thanks! > > And poke around the website there. Several interesting pattern > collections for those who like to wear something a little offbeat. Love > the Pirate Queen pantsuit! > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 19 23:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9K3BSxn001766 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K3AfST091107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K3AMXs039029; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9K3AJfl038948 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 52600 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 03:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 03:10:13 -0000 Message-ID: <43570A93.4040302@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:10:11 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels References: <000f01c5d40c$1cab1f80$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a different creature from a carpet sweeper. I have the hoover version - works OK as a wet floor cleaner (goes through a lot of solution on the dirty bits) but blows as a vac. Literally. I find myself chasing wads of dog-fluff around the kitchen instead of vacuuming them up. It is easier to use a broom first or the other vacuum. liz young Nancy Kiel wrote: > I just bought a Bissell Flip-It, which vacuums with one side and > washes & dries with the other, and was underwhelmed. The vacuum > isn't very powerful, and the washing side is great if your floors > aren't really dirty. My next attempt will be with the Hoover version > of the same idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: > lindasterner To: > h-costume Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 > 1:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] hardwood floors and bissels > > I don`t know how well the bissels work on hardwood floors. We do use > them on both carpet and tile floors at the restaurant. However.....I > really don`t know about dog hair either (no dogs have ever come into > to eat there yet!!) :) > > Linda S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 03:04:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9K74LWO020066 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:04:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K73lLS006961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K73hYk030644; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9K73dL6030603 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9K74NH4018704 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:04:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9K73Iku067202 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:03:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:53:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinna Wool-a whole dang article! (was Strange spinning question) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >More cool stuff! >http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/n1dr7rfquj3kng4pxgfy/contributions/e/a/0/4/ea04bp9fjbb5k73n.pdf >*http://tinyurl.com/7hk3z* No it isn't. All I got was a website that wanted me to sign up. Where's the article? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 06:24:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KAO50P031503 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KANTQS027967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KANNNR097485; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KANJPe097449 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:23:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 141.152.186.235 by BAY20-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:23:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.152.186.235] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c5d40c$1cab1f80$0b2baa45@chvlva.adelphia.net> <43570A93.4040302@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:23:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:23:13 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 10:23:14.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[4793C350:01C5D560] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9KAO50P031503 Status: RO Thanks for the tip--I guess it's back to scrubbing floors by hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Young To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT hardwood floors and bissels This is a different creature from a carpet sweeper. I have the hoover version - works OK as a wet floor cleaner (goes through a lot of solution on the dirty bits) but blows as a vac. Literally. I find myself chasing wads of dog-fluff around the kitchen instead of vacuuming them up. It is easier to use a broom first or the other vacuum. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 08:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KCLZUN008629 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:21:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KCKtXE041608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KCKmKh043324; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KCKjx1043312 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7CF40309 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb31.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.433b4707.116edf for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DV4udAWrIDwIAAAAB,4ab1af5401c6396e2d3f167828c33b55 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was carpet sweeper, now dog hair X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20051020052045.9F9C4981@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO An ex-housemate of ours had a pure-bred huskie and a malamute-huskie cross - when they were shedding there were drifts of fur a few inches thick! Dear heavens above, but it got *everywhere*! The thought of *25* at time is just mindboggling. Joannah. --- "Shane & Sheridan" wrote: For some dog owners the temptation is more a survival reaction. :-) My uncle raises Alaskan Malamutes, and often puppy-sits for other Mala-mutt owners. He has had up to 25 dogs at his acreage at one time. That's a LOT of dog fluff! My Malamutt every spring would shed a garbage bag's worth of soft undercoat, her favorite thing was to sit with me outside and let me pull handfuls of the stuff off of her - much easier than trying to scratch it off herself I'm sure. A friend of my uncle's would come and collect the fluff from him and other Malamute and Samoyed owners then spin and knit the colletion every year, she made a nice bit of money at the season's dog shows selling the results. Softer than you might think, and very warm. :-) Sheridan (missing my dog now...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 08:22:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KCMwXm008645 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:22:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KCMVd5041710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KCMR4Z044004; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KCMMaK043931 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.9]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:19:09 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Free pattern Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:22:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510191805g259dde7cod679386eb8db4f4b@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcXVErAR25R7EEPLQwq2QqkBssYHJQAXhhSA Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 12:19:09.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[795E8C20:01C5D570] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like their sizing ranges- Slinky girl, glamour girl and curvy Girl!! B. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Free pattern They have some GREAT patterns. Easy go together and so many different looks. Certain collections are interchangable. If you want more modern stuff for yourself or maybe a teenager they have great stuff based off people like Stella McCartney's designs. Bice On 10/19/05, Dawn wrote: > > Carletta da Nicolosi wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this! Great timing for Holiday gift giving. > > > > > > Yes, thanks! > > And poke around the website there. Several interesting pattern > collections for those who like to wear something a little offbeat. Love > the Pirate Queen pantsuit! > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 09:57:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KDvuRE011324 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KDvHNI051115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KDvD8g089983; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KDvACr089912 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.164]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051020135701.LTVG18995.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:57:01 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051020081013.02a0e780@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:58 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9KDvACr089912 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Byssus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc, A photograph of an exhibit of Byssus (including the mollusk, filaments, and sleeves made from it) is reproduced on page 114 of Les Etoffes: Dictionnaire Historique by Elisabeth Hardouin-Fugier & B. Berthod,. 420 pages, 9 1/2 " X 12 1/2 " ISBN: 2859171754 (my copy is the 1994 edition but is recently reprinted as ISBN: 2859174184, something like 462 illustrations) There is also a short article with four references. All are quite old except for "A propos d'une soierie fraçonnée dite bysus", C.I.E.T.A., 1983, n 57/58, pp. 50-56. As C.I.E.T.A. is the international authority on textiles, I would expect that this might be useful. If you wish, I will scan the image and text from Les Etoffes for you. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 10:43:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KEhRWl012610 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:43:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KEgrnH056717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEgppq018659; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEgjui018592 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24797.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.151]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ABDCA47FE8F for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:42:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] waistcoat again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. In The Art of Dress by Ashelford, i have found a fashionprint of a man wearing demi galla. He has lilc breeches and waistcoat, and a green jacket. These collours are equally dark. Demi Galla was unlike the full court dress only embroidered with a small edge. He is escorting a lady in full galla, so i guess it would be all right after all to make the waistcoat medium grey. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 10:45:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KEjW9M012657 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:45:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KEj9qF057065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEj7wF020165; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEj2wO019987 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: <4357AD87.5000606@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:45:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 14:44:47.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1A10FC0:01C5D584] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pinna Wool-a whole dang article! (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If this doesn't work for you *http://tinyurl.com/bpdfy* try googling on "royal society tartar lamb" (without the quotes). It should be the first hit on the list. Within that article is quite an explanation of the stuff... Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > No it isn't. All I got was a website that wanted me to sign up. > Where's the article? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 10:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KEpIaQ012786 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:51:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KEor3o057808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEoqs6024399; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEomRB024280 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:50:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4357AEEA.3060006@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:51:22 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress References: <20051019185853.62788.qmail@web53701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051019185853.62788.qmail@web53701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 14:50:42.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[A52AA810:01C5D585] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sigh....another reminder of an article I have promised to write (for years!). The other type of pleats are typically called organ pipe pleats. There are a number of different ways to achieve the tapered tube look.... Sg msraella@yahoo.com wrote: >I'm unsure about the pleating. Some sites insist on cartridge pleating but not all the paintings look like cartridge pleats. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 10:57:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KEv7uN012946 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KEuZCD058432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEuX11028815; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f19.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KEuTK0028765 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:56:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:56:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510201221.j9KCKpFJ043336@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:56:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 14:56:28.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[73643C50:01C5D586] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archives (was Strange spinning question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've brought these together into a single response. >From: WickedFrau >Marc, you are affiliated with a University right? So I wouldn't be >giving anything away by sharing this source I found? Well it's academia, so you could call it work if you wanted to :) I can't imagine that it would be giving anything away though. Besides the licensing security won't let it get past through -that- link. However, with the title and author we can pull up the item. Let me see if there are any other copies since this one is only held by two libraries on the planet. >*Die textilen Byssus-Reliquien des Christlichen Abendlandes, aufbewahrt >in den Kirchen zu Köln, Aachen, Cornelimünster, Mainz and Prag.* >*Author: *Bock, Franz, 1823-1899. >*Publication: *Aachen, 1895 OCLC: 27455177 >Now granted it is written in a "suspect" time, but it migh have some >clues. You have my curiosity peaked now. BTW, I checked the electronic >Middle English Compendium and neither Byssus nor Bissus are there. And they should be. The OED has as one of its citations: 1398 TREVISA Barth De P.R. XVII. xcvii. (1495) 664 Therbe many manere flexe . but the fayrest of al growyth in Egypte: for therof is Bissus made ryght fayre and whyte as snowe. [Trevisa in this case is Trevisa, John de Bartholomeus (de Glanvilla) De proprietatibus rerum tr. 1398 (Tollemache MS.; Add. MS. (B.M.) 27944; MS. e Museo (Bodl.) 16; W. de Worde 1495; 1535)} >This might be a prospective lead: >http://www.helfordmarineconservation.co.uk/newsletters/30article2.htm I've printed it off and will be reading it shortly. ------- >*http://tinyurl.com/cpvvu >Well, if it is true, there they are! The drawbacks to deep-linking :) (If anyone else is following this, Go to the British Museum base page and search collections for gloves. ) >------------------------------ >More cool stuff! >http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/n1dr7rfquj3kng4pxgfy/contributions/e/a/0/4/ea04bp9fjbb5k73n.pdf >*http://tinyurl.com/7hk3z* Do you have a more complete citation? My university isn't subscribed through this link. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 11:02:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KF2sug013130 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KF2N7Q059066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KF2Jlx032885; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KF2EBq032822 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:02:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510201221.j9KCKpFJ043336@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:02:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 15:02:14.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[413D3A00:01C5D587] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] An aside on links X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just an FYI -- free sites will usually allow linking, but may have security in place to discourage deep linking (linking to a page deep within a site). Sites that cost money generally have stuff in place to prohibit use of a link to someone who doesn't have the right IP address. I would need a proxy server set up to emulate whatever the host's site IP address is, and that usually requires an account with the IP host. For example, if I give you a link to a reference in the online OED, you would need to have an account with this university, or be able to emulate such an account, to use that link - even if you had your own account with the OED. The technology's not perfect ::) Marc, the ILL Librarian. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 11:50:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KFo8Wl014389 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KFniNk065370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFnd1J070537; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9KFnXjj070351 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62065 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 15:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 15:49:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051020164226.01d53bf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:48:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] waistcoat again In-Reply-To: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:42 20/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi. >In The Art of Dress by Ashelford, i have found a fashionprint of a >man wearing demi galla. He has lilc breeches and waistcoat, and a >green jacket. These collours are equally dark. Demi Galla was unlike >the full court dress only embroidered with a small edge. He is >escorting a lady in full galla, so i guess it would be all right >after all to make the waistcoat medium grey. > >Bjarne Is this fashion plate from "Galerie des Modes"1778-1787? If so, the original colour of the man's suit is a sort of dark apple green, all three pieces. with a blue lining to the coat. The date is 1779. It is described as "gros de Naples" and is embroidered with "paillettes". He is on the right and the lady in court dress is on the left, wearing purple and carrying a small purse in her hand, collecting for charity according to the text. This may not be the same, but I cannot find my copy of the Ashelford book to compare. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 12:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KG4O87014749 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KG3Yd6067155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFt0GE075055; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFsnoO074857 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t9so284958wxc for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ajLRa62Rk/x/X5oZg4ukUO1rK3XspW/hqI+XVatOu+iWyQFZ/eoYUEyt6wKaaYgNCalBKSwdFv/lR71vv0k3AH3sozGhDElmNl9cGxb55vYIhRn2zsaUsDjXb4OZOV+L7N6XkLR43Yvf2UbRctjsx00QNZ/AKn8iTT50Xa/jTrg= Received: by 10.70.29.4 with SMTP id c4mr1013477wxc; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.94.11 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:54:47 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pinna Wool-a whole dang article! (was Strange spinning question) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9KFsnoO074857 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The article is available online as part of an academic journal: Notes & Records of the Royal Society [of London] The complete reference is: Notes Rec. R. Soc. Lond. 51 (1), 23–34 (1997) THE ROYAL SOCIETY AND THE TARTAR LAMB by JOHN H. APPLEBY It is not free to the general public; I was able to access it from university computers because apparently our library is subscribed to the online version of this journal. If anyone is particularly interested in this subject matter, you might try asking a local university library whether they have a subscription - you may be able to access it from their computers and print it off from there. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 12:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KG4O1F014750 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:04:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KG3Yd4067155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFtMZQ075461; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFtHqV075363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-8.sonic.net [209.148.114.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KFtF6s026165; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: <4357BDE5.2020109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:55:17 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Rickrack work X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where I can get patterns or pattern booklets for rickrack work that does not involve knitting or crochet, just sewing the rickwork together in patterns? I've seen a few Victorian and Edwardian garments that used it (the Victorians tended to call it "wavy braid") but not patterns that I can remember. I'm not looking for freebies, but if anyone has the title of an antique or modern book, booklet, or magazine I'll hunt it up and buy it. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 12:13:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KGDQHO014993 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KGCvCM068281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KGCqEj089460; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9KGCiTr089239 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 49214 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 16:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 16:12:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051020170631.01d10d58@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:11:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] English Gable Hoods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I am fighting a losing battle with a gable hood I am making for a museum (for members of the public to try on, so all the bits have to be sewn together - eurk!) I have been looking for as many images of gable hoods as I can find. Curiously I have only found drawings and paintings by Holbein, apart from the Margaret of Beaufort (I think - early) one. Does anyone have other references? To save time, I already have the following sites as reference. * The English Gable Hood * Tudor Gable Headdress: A Portfolio of Images * An English Hood: Step-by-step Instructions * Making an English or Gable Hood * An English Hood Pattern * Tudor Gable Headdress Illustrated: Step by Step Directions Suzi (who needs about 5 hands!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 12:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KGIR0c015163 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KGI5Bo069104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KGI2qH093801; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KGHvwA093635 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:17:51 -0700 Message-ID: <4357C357.9030604@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:18:31 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wickedfrau@msn.com References: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> <4357AD87.5000606@msn.com> In-Reply-To: <4357AD87.5000606@msn.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 16:17:51.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1A23550:01C5D591] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pinna Wool article-You don't need a subscription! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sorry for all the confusion on this article, but you DON'T need a subscription....I don't have one! I see that the link isn't working, but it did before I sent it...okay so I am confused about that, but you can just google for it as described below. Once you link to the site you can click on the right for the PDF or HTML version. If that doesn't work for you, I can send it to you offline if you are still interested. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > If this doesn't work for you *http://tinyurl.com/bpdfy* > > try googling on "royal society tartar lamb" (without the quotes). It > should be the first hit on the list. > > Within that article is quite an explanation of the stuff... > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >> No it isn't. All I got was a website that wanted me to sign up. >> Where's the article? >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 12:19:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KGJVvO015209 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:19:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KGIY1V069177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KGIVj9094178; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KGIREb094055 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:18:21 -0700 Message-ID: <4357C375.1030202@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:19:01 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pinna wool Citation References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 16:18:21.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3733680:01C5D591] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: > Besides the licensing security won't let it get past through -that- > link. However, with the title and author we can pull up the item. > Let me see if there are any other copies since this one is only held > by two libraries on the planet. Whoops, didn't mean for you to try to link to it. Sorry about the confusion. > > Do you have a more complete citation? My university isn't subscribed > through this link. > Mine doesn't either, I just happened across it in a google search. But here is the citation: * * *ISSN:* 0035-9149 (Paper) 1743-0178 (Online) *Issue:* Volume 51, Number 1 / January 22, 1997 *Pages:* 23 - 34 *DOI:* 10.1098/rsnr.1997.0003 *The Royal Society and the Tartar lamb* J. H. Appleby ^A1 ^A1 16 Pine Close, Upton Road, Norwich NR4 7PU, UK *Abstract:* The Tartar, Scythian or vegetable lamb--a zoophyte, or creature on the borderline between an animal and a plant--was a subject of interest to the Royal Society for many years. For convenience, the material connected with it has been arranged under three main headings on a broadly chronological basis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 13:29:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KHT6g4017786 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KHSc2s077590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHSXIC050634; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHSRAW050514 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id NAA03319; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200510201728.NAA03319@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200510201221.j9KCKpFJ043336@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9KHSRAW050514 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] byssus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I didn't get that to turn up the gloves, but a search on mussel did. Also try Sir Hans Sloane...a collector of curiosities. I have to say, the gloves sure don't look particularly impressive but there isn't a good close up. Julie ---- wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] RE: Archves (was Strange spinning question)-the > gloves are online at the British Museum! > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > *http://tinyurl.com/cpvvu > > Well, if it is true, there they are! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 13:42:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KHg8OH018455 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KHfCT0079106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHfAn0060280; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHf5lT060189 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so445380wra for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MrZ6AsIV0rbPdgmfBn58MiEJQB2Da36o6lT9YZhROW9FV4ENqA5ynAZgwlntpi29LpvLmuHIKcx39TpYv5ysUDYjBPMBiyFeO3BXefyryb0oy0yRB/5RyqzDUHDJVhlmhMuew+izCY7ijwqRSwdUnrUzVDxDNPeRHB9k9QqD9Yg= Received: by 10.54.157.10 with SMTP id f10mr1223046wre; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.13 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510201041q145ae250wb7e928baaf25e48f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:41:05 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Free pattern In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510191805g259dde7cod679386eb8db4f4b@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9KHg8OH018455 Status: RO Heh. Makes me feel less fat than curvy which makes me like them. On 10/20/05, Betsy Marshal wrote: > > I like their sizing ranges- Slinky girl, glamour girl and curvy Girl!! > B. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 13:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KHxjY9019250 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KHxKpP081150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHxC9K074264; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KHx5PW074168 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendy.bliss@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so449692wra for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d0Qzb5vuh9p5Q1KHHn0BD96VbSFjLStoftQsG6dFQNEdmDV2WR7WvDuCmjAGf2TxGFZfsHbkN1LU71qJHg+z6i1xhK4HlKGEsggKYPADJGhMTmgXNx61G9bRny+spCE1cWTnO1VeBfeU2EG1gpdvkF2wabH/XYWnOEJTdsx1rnM= Received: by 10.54.132.6 with SMTP id f6mr1232526wrd; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.78.2 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:59:05 -0700 From: Wendy Bliss To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9KHxjY9019250 Status: RO > > Has anyone on the list managed to find any examples of organ-pipe (rolled) > pleating prior to the 18th century? I agree that many of the styles of 15th > and 16th century clothing look like they use them, but for the life of me > (and despite two trips to Europe), I haven't been able to find any > diocumentation for them better than "well, the paiting *looks* like that's > they type of pleat they used..." > Any help would be appreciated - thanks! > -Wendy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 14:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KIW8Li020901 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KIVEs2084896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KIVBJj098734; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KIV7cR098661 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ee.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.238]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 494C85EE049 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:30:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002c01c5d5a4$6967a480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051020164226.01d53bf8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] waistcoat again Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:30:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi, No it is not Galleries des modes et costumes francais, but a fashion journal called "Cahier de Costumes francaise. I must try to find out if this fashion journal is on the library of museum of fine arts, cause i have never noticed this one before. Quality of the print is equally as fine as the modes et costumes journal. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] waistcoat again > At 15:42 20/10/2005, you wrote: >>Hi. >>In The Art of Dress by Ashelford, i have found a fashionprint of a man >>wearing demi galla. He has lilc breeches and waistcoat, and a green >>jacket. These collours are equally dark. Demi Galla was unlike the full >>court dress only embroidered with a small edge. He is escorting a lady in >>full galla, so i guess it would be all right after all to make the >>waistcoat medium grey. >> >>Bjarne > > > Is this fashion plate from "Galerie des Modes"1778-1787? If so, the > original colour of the man's suit is a sort of dark apple green, all three > pieces. with a blue lining to the coat. The date is 1779. It is described > as "gros de Naples" and is embroidered with "paillettes". He is on the > right and the lady in court dress is on the left, wearing purple and > carrying a small purse in her hand, collecting for charity according to > the text. > > This may not be the same, but I cannot find my copy of the Ashelford book > to compare. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 14:32:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KIWrfW020952 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KIWXZ9085096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KIWTO8099770; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KIVnGY099142 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:31:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510201744.j9KHiAGn062604@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:31:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 18:31:44.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[859BCBE0:01C5D5A4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Byssus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Beth and Bob Matney >A photograph of an exhibit of Byssus (including the mollusk, filaments, and >sleeves made from it) is reproduced on page 114 of Cool. >Les Etoffes... I'll see if I can't find a copy, but thanks. I'd like a scan of the picture please, if that's ok.: >"A propos d'une soierie fraçonnée dite bysus", C.I.E.T.A., 1983, n 57/58, >pp. 50-56. That shouldn't be too hard to dig up. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 14:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KIuvjO022487 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KIuM3x088119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KIuJP4018268; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:56:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9KIuD0P018100 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 60218 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 18:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 18:56:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051020195131.01d0cc50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:54:45 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] waistcoat again In-Reply-To: <002c01c5d5a4$6967a480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051020164226.01d53bf8@127.0.0.1> <002c01c5d5a4$6967a480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:30 20/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >No it is not Galleries des modes et costumes francais, but a fashion >journal called "Cahier de Costumes francaise. >I must try to find out if this fashion journal is on the library of >museum of fine arts, cause i have never noticed this one before. >Quality of the print is equally as fine as the modes et costumes journal. I shall be interested to learn the results of your search. As you know, fashion plates were copied one magazine to another, and the descriptions sound similar. (I have a later plate (1798/9 that is a copy of a rare and famous Richard Phillips!) By the way, I love the idea of the rose and grey - following your research for my information too. Suzi >>>In The Art of Dress by Ashelford, i have found a fashionprint of a >>>man wearing demi galla. He has lilc breeches and waistcoat, and a >>>green jacket. These collours are equally dark. Demi Galla was >>>unlike the full court dress only embroidered with a small edge. He >>>is escorting a lady in full galla, so i guess it would be all >>>right after all to make the waistcoat medium grey. >>> >>>Bjarne >> >> >>Is this fashion plate from "Galerie des Modes"1778-1787? If so, the >>original colour of the man's suit is a sort of dark apple green, >>all three pieces. with a blue lining to the coat. The date is 1779. >>It is described as "gros de Naples" and is embroidered with >>"paillettes". He is on the right and the lady in court dress is on >>the left, wearing purple and carrying a small purse in her hand, >>collecting for charity according to the text. >> >>This may not be the same, but I cannot find my copy of the >>Ashelford book to compare. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 15:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KJDM8o023344 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:13:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KJBOZm089953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KJBJcb030319; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KJBFSH030181 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:11:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4357EBF6.8040203@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:11:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 19:11:09.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[076FA100:01C5D5AA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not sure if you want organ pipe pleating or rolled pleats documentation, but if it is the former, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a military base which is organ pipe pleated (Early 16th century). Blanche Paynes "History of Costume" has a discussion and a pattern for it. I've spent some time looking for an earlier word for them, but have not come up with it in English or German. The English word only goes back to to about 1890. The current German word Röhrenfalten doesn't appear in Grimm's etemological dictionary. I have queried both Leo online forums (back in March 05) and non-current German forum (just today): If you find anything, I'd sure like to hear about it. Sg >>Has anyone on the list managed to find any examples of organ-pipe (rolled)... >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 15:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KJKxEM023754 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KJKe69090909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KJKdWG037633; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52813.mail.yahoo.com (web52813.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9KJKZBL037536 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52182 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2005 19:20:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZnJX0Tp07eoRvLPy5EvbyHY9PA04inXHrHjbTsLCPTbMW9xWZzG9sO66h5dWOrQthOqV3PGU0WjvZ+agjyo56wBvB3HotQU7B4+x7uIlMT884N26WHouj2Vor22L/KC73FZHm86SGBGOa+GVz9t6KtyU5nD7xDpSghJKq/wrxYg= ; Message-ID: <20051020192030.52180.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.248.149.253] by web52813.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:20:29 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would someone please be so kind as to provide a thumbnail description of either or both "organ pipe pleating" or "rolled pleating," or post an informative link or two? I can't even begin to picture what this might be... Thanks! KP WickedFrau wrote: I'm not sure if you want organ pipe pleating or rolled pleats documentation, but if it is the former, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a military base which is organ pipe pleated (Early 16th century). Blanche Paynes "History of Costume" has a discussion and a pattern for it. I've spent some time looking for an earlier word for them, but have not come up with it in English or German. The English word only goes back to to about 1890. The current German word Röhrenfalten doesn't appear in Grimm's etemological dictionary. I have queried both Leo online forums (back in March 05) and non-current German forum (just today): If you find anything, I'd sure like to hear about it. Sg >>Has anyone on the list managed to find any examples of organ-pipe (rolled)... >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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(was Strange spinning question) In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051019235247.0371f200@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >If this doesn't work for you *http://tinyurl.com/bpdfy* That got it. Thank you very much. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 17:16:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KLG1HV030477 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KLFWuO005850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KLFSnH029477; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KLFJmZ029343 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9KLFiTl003390 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:15:44 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KLEcwc048964 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:15:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051020134410.036c6768@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:14:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rickrack work In-Reply-To: <4357BDE5.2020109@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone know where I can get patterns or pattern booklets for rickrack >work that does not involve knitting or crochet, just sewing the rickwork >together in patterns? I've seen a few Victorian and Edwardian garments >that used it (the Victorians tended to call it "wavy braid") but not >patterns that I can remember. I'm not looking for freebies, but if anyone >has the title of an antique or modern book, booklet, or magazine I'll hunt >it up and buy it. All of what I've seen involves crochet. But I do own one printed sheet from the Wright trim company, showing one how to make an early 1950s dress entirely out of the stuff. You might ask them if they have a copy in their archives (because I can't find mine). BTW, I've always seen the stuff called "wave braid", never "wavy braid" or "waved braid". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 17:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KLJ83u030681 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KLImTD006323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KLIlVl032252; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KLIidg032156 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: <435809D6.6050801@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:19:18 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats References: <20051020192030.52180.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051020192030.52180.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 21:18:37.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[D61B9660:01C5D5BB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://costume.dm.net/pleats/ http://www.heatherspages.net/images/flemish/rolled%20pleats.jpg http://home.znet.com/savaskan/germans/images/gerry-5.jpg I'll have to poke around for my tutorial on rolled pleats....I know I took the pictures for it...but I don't see it on my website...could have sworn it was there. Organ Pipe Pleats and rolled pleats can look pretty much the same from the outside. How they are constructed makes the difference. I haven't seen anything online for how to make the former. I took a class at Estrella years ago from Julie Hirsch and have been promising for years to write up how to do it.....guess I'd better get on it... Sg Kathryn Parke wrote: >Would someone please be so kind as to provide a thumbnail description of either or both "organ pipe pleating" or "rolled pleating," or post an informative link or two? I can't even begin to picture what this might be... > >Thanks! >KP > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 17:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KLW5nY031585 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:32:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KLVKjN007698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KLVF6i042199; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52803.mail.yahoo.com (web52803.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9KLVCdi042094 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39488 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2005 21:31:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BIDfgk4TW8dRHbdIuKZ27AfgnJj+Fc2eUEvAEkTY1y4TSCDCziqhLCY0JVKRPCLONYu9shg+ckhPdMJriXxX8joiSv4SgBg5X0mmz/JjPsLISg0PzmwIUPfRxlgtlNiVDZeqBa2x2J9HAO9RZg2RWSEybi+orh5lMRB8d6fO838= ; Message-ID: <20051020213107.39486.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:31:07 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is fascinating -- thank you! It seems rather impractical, though -- does it provide extra warmth, perhaps, having all that extra fabric? Or was it just one more conspicuous consumption thing, do you suppose? I can certainly see how the men would appreciate looking that much more bulked-up -- I'm thinking of Henry VIII's enormous silhouette -- but I'd think the weight alone would make it far less comfortable than other styles. KP WickedFrau wrote: http://costume.dm.net/pleats/ http://www.heatherspages.net/images/flemish/rolled%20pleats.jpg http://home.znet.com/savaskan/germans/images/gerry-5.jpg I'll have to poke around for my tutorial on rolled pleats....I know I took the pictures for it...but I don't see it on my website...could have sworn it was there. Organ Pipe Pleats and rolled pleats can look pretty much the same from the outside. How they are constructed makes the difference. I haven't seen anything online for how to make the former. I took a class at Estrella years ago from Julie Hirsch and have been promising for years to write up how to do it.....guess I'd better get on it... Sg Kathryn Parke wrote: >Would someone please be so kind as to provide a thumbnail description of either or both "organ pipe pleating" or "rolled pleating," or post an informative link or two? I can't even begin to picture what this might be... > >Thanks! >KP > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 18:12:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KMCJD2001677 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:12:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KMBmk5012711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KMBktR073566; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KMBgH7073504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-32.sonic.net [209.148.114.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KMBf4o003010 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:11:41 -0700 Message-ID: <4358161F.5000003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:11:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rickrack work References: <4.3.1.2.20051020134410.036c6768@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051020134410.036c6768@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > All of what I've seen involves crochet. But I do own one printed > sheet from the Wright trim company, showing one how to make an early > 1950s dress entirely out of the stuff. You might ask them if they > have a copy in their archives (because I can't find mine). I'll look into it, although I'd rather have Victorian/Edwardian patterns. Big expanses of it sewn together in patterns can actually look really nice. > > BTW, I've always seen the stuff called "wave braid", never "wavy > braid" or "waved braid". > > I've seen it called all three, as well as being classified under vaguer terms like "fancy braid." Best, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 18:42:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9KMgXZ9003423 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KMfpqb016508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KMfiVd096026; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9KMffDb095976 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9KMg8Tl010010 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:42:08 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KMjleq028532 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051020151525.0255c878@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:17:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rickrack work In-Reply-To: <4358161F.5000003@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20051020134410.036c6768@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051020134410.036c6768@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>All of what I've seen involves crochet. But I do own one printed sheet >>from the Wright trim company, showing one how to make an early 1950s >>dress entirely out of the stuff. You might ask them if they have a copy >>in their archives (because I can't find mine). > >I'll look into it, although I'd rather have Victorian/Edwardian >patterns. Big expanses of it sewn together in patterns can actually look >really nice. > >> >>BTW, I've always seen the stuff called "wave braid", never "wavy braid" >>or "waved braid". >> >I've seen it called all three, as well as being classified under vaguer >terms like "fancy braid." Dover has a Home Art Crochet book in reprint, using wave braid and crochet. You might look at that and try duplicating the work in needle-lace stitches. I think crochet was the preferred method of assembling these pieces, historically. And the screeches caused when modern people realize they're looking at ric-rac is worth the effort ;) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 20 20:44:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L0iUOr010347 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:44:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L0hvu0029203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L0hqBe066255; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L0hlwH066188 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051021004341.YKPI24408.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:43:41 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.165.75]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051021004340.GDH2910.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:43:40 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.12.4]); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:54:24 +1300 Message-ID: <005101c5d5d1$995ce3d0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051019185853.62788.qmail@web53701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach dress Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:54:23 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO << I'm unsure about the pleating. Some sites insist on cartridge pleating but not all the paintings look like cartridge pleats. I'm thinking the front piece (Top part) is held in place with hook & eyes while the bottom is laced from side to side through concealed lacing rings.>> This is because I know people use the term cartridge pleat to mean a great variety of pleat types, not just narrow firm pleats that jut away from the body. I think it's used by some to describe pleats that are not sewn into a waistband or between the layers of fabric for the bodice (shell and lining.) http://www.kannikskorner.com/infostitches.htm http://www.vertetsable.com/research_vocabulary.htm Descriptiosn that are probably the truest of the term. http://www.sewmuchmoreinfo.com/Sewopaedia.html This is the only reference I can find that suggests the pleats are merely rounded rather than lying flat. So it all depends on who is using the term;) http://costume.dm.net/pleats/ I have used very deep pleats on two German skirts and I love the way the pleats hang to the ground. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca The Anna Meyer dress and my 1570s Westfalen dress (still in progress.) For each top edge of the pleats seen 8 times the amount of fabric was used. This is really more suited to light weight fabrics though as it can get bulky. So I wouldn't want to use it on say a velvet or wool gown. In that regard the best bang for buck is to use a circular/gored pattern. The Bases Sg mentioned are basically a big circle. This means you have far less fabric at the waist to add bulk than you have at the hem, where you do want a lot of fabric. This is also the constuction of the Mary of Hungary gown;) http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary I was kindly sent photos that show the back of the gown, and you can see there is some ease at the back that causes the skirt to hang in folds from the waist. There are a few very definite examples of circular skirts as well: http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1540erzherzoginanna.htm http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/bilderkatalog/habsburger/abb10s.htm Both use sunray pleating, and indeed Anna's shows the direction of the grain of the fabric quite well. << Now another question, many of the portraits have a bodice style that while still having the piece in front also have a high collar. Could you make a jacket without sleeves rather than making 2 dresses, one with the collar and one without? I have seen what looks like a capelet with a high collar that gives much the same effect. >> I think you may be referring to a gollar and a gollar style dress? It depends on what you want. I wouldn't make what is essentially a vest, as it'll be very much more bulky than a single bodice. A gollar is a wonderful acessory as well, it does make a difference to warmth and is nice and portable. And there are a variety of styles, dependant on time and place. And as regards the bands at the back, I still haven't seen any, but I have seen low necks filled in with hemden: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/7003224.jpg I would really appreciate any clues about the artwork that shows bands at the back, I'd like to be able to see them. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Let's snip another URL. Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > I thought I'd share this fan on ebay someone has. > http://snipurl.com/irwfFrom the description: > This unique fan is painted with gouache on paper and is in very good > condition No tears and no repairs. The color is bright and the ivory sticks > are very high quality. The guards are laminated with mother of pearl shell > at the top and at the base. The sticks are carved to display a woven pattern > when the fan is closed (see photo). We will ship ivory to overseas buyers > who have a U.S. agent to clear the item for international shipping. . The > leaf measures 16 1/2 inches across.Guard sticks are 10 1/4 inches." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 00:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L4OA4G021961 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:24:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L4NrVo048547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4Nq7r067181; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9L4NnnO067144 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 9482 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2005 21:23:44 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9471, pid: 9475, t: 2.0927s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2005 21:23:42 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051020212204.023b47e0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:23:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9L4NnnO067144 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:02 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote: >I thought I'd share this fan on ebay someone >has. http://snipurl.com/irwfFrom the >description: "Very Rare and Collectible -Early >18th Century hand fan with serpentine ivory >sticks mounted with leaf depicting the Biblical >story (Numbers 21: 4 ­ 9) of The Israelites in >the desert. Their punishment for speaking out >against God and Moses was to be plagued with >poisonous snakes. When the people repented, >Moses was told by God to make an image of a >snake of brass and set in on a tau-shaped (T) >pole. It had a miraculous curative effect. This >unique fan is painted with gouache on paper and >is in very good condition No tears and no >repairs. The color is bright and the ivory >sticks are very high quality. The guards are >laminated with mother of pearl shell at the top >and at the base. The sticks are carved to >display a woven pattern when the fan is closed >(see photo). We will ship ivory to overseas >buyers who have a U.S. agent to clear the item >for international shipping. . The leaf measures >16 1/2 inches across.Guard sticks are 10 1/4 >inches." I thought that several who do this time >line would enjoy this. Bice _______________________________________________ Unfortunately, the snipped URL did not work. The link merely takes one to the SnipURL site. You might just give us the eBay link. Those usually work just fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 00:42:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L4g1Hj023005 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:42:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L4fcFZ050116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4fRGH074420; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52807.mail.yahoo.com (web52807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9L4fPlm074369 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81465 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2005 04:41:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2pOwomNXwh1bQcLAdzdLB4rERFNn6QFtew2vIr8QXfOEqxayTg1r1RDHfoOjMO6Pi3Qcuw9NoEZyvc/AT0mZcdLNXL6mH4apxjgFFNZ9wRDN5EQmhYaxygJZVWL2NMO6qzfBz+OJK4q5m7Kza+i0Vm6/d4ox3PnFZiBsB176MqU= ; Message-ID: <20051021044119.81463.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:41:19 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051020212204.023b47e0@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can get the link to work if you get rid of the "From" on the end of it. In any event, here's the eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1720-Ivory-Fan-of-Moses-the-Brazen-Serpent_W0QQitemZ8343479166QQcategoryZ20288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem KP Joan Jurancich wrote: At 09:02 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote: >I thought I'd share this fan on ebay someone >has. http://snipurl.com/irwfFrom the >description: "Very Rare and Collectible -Early >18th Century hand fan with serpentine ivory >sticks mounted with leaf depicting the Biblical >story (Numbers 21: 4 ­ 9) of The Israelites in >the desert. Their punishment for speaking out >against God and Moses was to be plagued with >poisonous snakes. When the people repented, >Moses was told by God to make an image of a >snake of brass and set in on a tau-shaped (T) >pole. It had a miraculous curative effect. This >unique fan is painted with gouache on paper and >is in very good condition No tears and no >repairs. The color is bright and the ivory >sticks are very high quality. The guards are >laminated with mother of pearl shell at the top >and at the base. The sticks are carved to >display a woven pattern when the fan is closed >(see photo). We will ship ivory to overseas >buyers who have a U.S. agent to clear the item >for international shipping. . The leaf measures >16 1/2 inches across.Guard sticks are 10 1/4 >inches." I thought that several who do this time >line would enjoy this. Bice _______________________________________________ Unfortunately, the snipped URL did not work. The link merely takes one to the SnipURL site. You might just give us the eBay link. Those usually work just fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 00:44:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L4i4iS023144 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L4hm0i050245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4hlsn075322; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4hjAJ075313 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so547474wra for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EM7ulaLVvBKdStR67Ffb+PE4IlAhURRTJ+LayjmbXYh6TAOM/aNaH7Zr1mZW6W7WknCo4ACwhEv2m7CPKFRDUmOgnwIGR6TQXEwsuf6LWWXJYytrV9QMXiSvBtUmut+e8Ov4GN3e3mr8hjcHWXTN3CIkAkPv6kzF3Q27Xy+ykfQ= Received: by 10.54.139.4 with SMTP id m4mr1581214wrd; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.13 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510202143u1af961eud5d7c99c7f7dd2de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:43:46 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan In-Reply-To: <43586BD3.6090101@floodcity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.com> <43586BD3.6090101@floodcity.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9L4i4iS023144 Status: RO The really annoying part is that it's working on the other lists and on my livejournal perfectly fine. I'm wondering if it's an embedding issue. Gah. Anyhow ladies here's the ebay link. I don't post these because frankly half the time they chop in half and are annoying. http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1720-Ivory-Fan-of-Moses-the-Brazen-Serpent_W0QQitemZ8343479166QQcategoryZ20288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Bice On 10/21/05, Kitty Felton wrote: > > Sorry, that snipped URL is either not in our records, or private, or > spam-protected. Let's snip another URL. > > Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > I thought I'd share this fan on ebay someone has. > > http://snipurl.com/irwfFrom the description: > > This unique fan is painted with gouache on paper and is in very good > > condition No tears and no repairs. The color is bright and the ivory > sticks > > are very high quality. The guards are laminated with mother of pearl > shell > > at the top and at the base. The sticks are carved to display a woven > pattern > > when the fan is closed (see photo). We will ship ivory to overseas > buyers > > who have a U.S. agent to clear the item for international shipping. . > The > > leaf measures 16 1/2 inches across.Guard sticks are 10 1/4 inches." > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 00:49:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L4no9h023545 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L4nUHs050595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4nSUS077485; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L4nQjE077476 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mevanwy@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p35so487940qbb for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LLI0e8bn0DXpNb5KArS1rEOvy/sapWNXkuDKcNPDbJI8jWvY52uo8N+hxbOkU6r9AinbjQv+0oKJ9UaUZz4N2xtK6wU0L1skWTJhIPXGnvoH0ToLXfWTbaiEds6QmlJhTK7HGmvMxHWXNmEx09241aMuUjN1PSasXrFJ/a9bEiw= Received: by 10.65.236.18 with SMTP id n18mr1863958qbr; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.137.18 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <803c445e0510202149j6f5efef8ta07a4dda5ce91f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:26 -0700 From: Andrea McElwain To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510202143u1af961eud5d7c99c7f7dd2de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.com> <43586BD3.6090101@floodcity.net> <7164eae90510202143u1af961eud5d7c99c7f7dd2de@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9L4nQjE077476 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 10/20/05, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > The really annoying part is that it's working on the other lists and on my > livejournal perfectly fine. > Bice > > Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > > I thought I'd share this fan on ebay someone has. > > > http://snipurl.com/irwfFrom the description: It works if you take the "From" off the end of the link. :-) Andie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 01:04:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L54jWo024396 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:04:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L547iP051515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L543nH082802; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L540uV082776 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ESp4R-0006Ob-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:03:59 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:03:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not historical, but fun.... http://www.costume-con.org/CClink/CC13/Photos/pages/ff06.shtml Sandy At 11:02 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:14:28 -0700 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rickrack work > > >Does anyone know where I can get patterns or pattern booklets for rickrack > >work that does not involve knitting or crochet, just sewing the rickwork > >together in patterns? I've seen a few Victorian and Edwardian garments > >that used it (the Victorians tended to call it "wavy braid") but not > >patterns that I can remember. > >All of what I've seen involves crochet. But I do own one printed sheet >from the Wright trim company, showing one how to make an early 1950s dress >entirely out of the stuff. You might ask them if they have a copy in their >archives (because I can't find mine). > >BTW, I've always seen the stuff called "wave braid", never "wavy braid" or >"waved braid". > > CarolynKayta Barrows "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 01:29:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L5TZKl026303 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L5TGX4052988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L5TFPn091425; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9L5TA5J091370 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 15174 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 05:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 05:29:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:26:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:03 21/10/2005, you wrote: >Not historical, but fun.... > >http://www.costume-con.org/CClink/CC13/Photos/pages/ff06.shtml > >Sandy > >At 11:02 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote: >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:14:28 -0700 >>From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rickrack work >> >> >Does anyone know where I can get patterns or pattern booklets for rickrack >> >work that does not involve knitting or crochet, just sewing the rickwork >> >together in patterns? I've seen a few Victorian and Edwardian garments >> >that used it (the Victorians tended to call it "wavy braid") but not >> >patterns that I can remember. >> >>All of what I've seen involves crochet. But I do own one printed sheet >>from the Wright trim company, showing one how to make an early 1950s dress >>entirely out of the stuff. You might ask them if they have a copy in their >>archives (because I can't find mine). Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very popular trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! But ric-rac involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another example of two countries separated by the same language? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 02:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L6Ka5Q006616 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L6DBA5055625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L6D6ni006522; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L6D2Gk006504 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9L6DlH4031240 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:13:47 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L6Cqh3085102 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:13:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:10:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I >understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and >would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very popular >trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! But ric-rac >involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another example of two >countries separated by the same language? Go here: http://crochet.about.com/library/weekly/aa082600.htm This article doesn't go back as far as the early 1800s, from where I saw my earliest example of this stuff, but read it and learn what Fran wants to do without crochet. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 03:54:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L7s4dQ005700 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:54:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L7rYiQ061506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L7rPeo040117; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9L7rLvU040068 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:53:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12467 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 07:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 07:53:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021084925.01d61290@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:51:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:10 21/10/2005, you wrote: >>Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what >>I understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a >>sale, and would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It >>was a very popular trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - >>that's the 1950's! But ric-rac involving crochet is a total mystery >>to me. Yet another example of two countries separated by the same language? > >Go here: > >http://crochet.about.com/library/weekly/aa082600.htm > >This article doesn't go back as far as the early 1800s, from where I >saw my earliest example of this stuff, but read it and learn what >Fran wants to do without crochet. Thanks Carolyn. You learn something new all the time. Not something I'd ever come across. I don't remember it in either my facsimile of Mrs. Beeton, or Therese de Dillmont. 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Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 05:14:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9L9EIaF022871 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:14:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L9DhkR069084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L9DWbG066101; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:13:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9L9DSEK066070 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9L9DuTl007532 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:13:56 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9L9DMZS157032 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:13:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051021020915.02e16030@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:10:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021084925.01d61290@127.0.0.1> References: <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I don't remember it in either my facsimile of Mrs. Beeton, or Therese de >Dillmont. Wave braid crocheted together is really big in the 1880s, after Mrs. Beeton's and M. Dillmont's time. Start looking for it then. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 09:21:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LDLKDK023499 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LDKT0r098539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDKOPC056011; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sm4app03.siteprotect.com (sm4app03.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDKMHN055961 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from sm4app03.siteprotect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sm4app03.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA437EC for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: =?US-ASCII?B?UmU6IFtoLWNvc3RdIFJlOiBSaWNrIFJhY2s=?= X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:10:54 -0500 X-Uidl: 4.3.1.2.20051021020915.02e16030@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: AtMail 5.1.2 Message-Id: <20051021131054.AA437EC@sm4app03.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9LDKMHN055961 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are examples of edgings and collars made from waved braid in 1850s and 1860s editions of Godey's Lady's Book, Peterson's Magazine and other period magazines. I have several original mid-19th century garments with waved braid trim in my collection. Some are created with crochet, but two examples appear to be made with a needle-lace technique. I haven't found instructions for that technique so far, but I'm still looking. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2 -5, 2006 >>I don't remember it in either my facsimile of Mrs. Beeton, or Therese de >>Dillmont. > >Wave braid crocheted together is really big in the 1880s, after Mrs. >Beeton's and M. Dillmont's time. Start looking for it then. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 09:23:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LDN1wg023563 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LDMVr1098732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDMUTj056875; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDMNMm056780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ESwqR-000791-Jl; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:22:03 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: <20051021082203.46iwxqxaxfnk80ww@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:22:03 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Suzi Clarke : > > > Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I > understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, > and would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very > popular trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! > But ric-rac involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another > example of two countries separated by the same language? > Don't feel bad -- I"m on *this* side of the pond (i.e., the states), and I have *no* clue either. The rick-rack that I remember was almost zig-zag like a bunch of NNNNNNNN except not that tight -- more like a string of sideways Zs Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 09:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LDj8E6024062 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LDic3s000870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDiXVu067067; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDiTWw066988 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.121]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051021134422.ZCMA18995.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:44:22 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:44:17 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200510211322.j9LDMUAx056880@net.indra.com> References: <200510211322.j9LDMUAx056880@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite example of ric-rac is the decoration on Bia's dress (daughter of Cosimo I Medici, Eleanora's step-daughter) in the portrait by Bronzino. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bronzino/1/bia.jpg Beth Matney At 08:22 AM 10/21/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:10:55 -0700 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I > >understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and > >would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very popular > >trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! But ric-rac > >involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another example of two > >countries separated by the same language? > >Go here: > >http://crochet.about.com/library/weekly/aa082600.htm > >This article doesn't go back as far as the early 1800s, from where I saw my >earliest example of this stuff, but read it and learn what Fran wants to do >without crochet. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 09:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LDtFRW024241 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LDsjbJ001784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDsj1u072134; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9LDsfpe072065 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 93732 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 13:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 13:54:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021145039.01d5b438@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:52:31 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200510211322.j9LDMUAx056880@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:44 21/10/2005, you wrote: >My favorite example of ric-rac is the decoration on Bia's dress >(daughter of Cosimo I Medici, Eleanora's step-daughter) in the >portrait by Bronzino. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bronzino/1/bia.jpg > >Beth Matney Great image - that's exactly what I think of as "ric rac" and what's more, I can buy stuff like that in a shop in the centre of London! Thanks so much - a very useful piece of research. Suzi >> >Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I >> >understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and >> >would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very popular >> >trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! But ric-rac >> >involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another example of two >> >countries separated by the same language? >> >>Go here: >> >>http://crochet.about.com/library/weekly/aa082600.htm >> >>This article doesn't go back as far as the early 1800s, from where I saw my >>earliest example of this stuff, but read it and learn what Fran wants to do >>without crochet. >> >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 09:57:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LDvpuk024296 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LDvVkK002127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDvUen073457; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LDvOUY073338 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:57:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4358F3E9.1080309@msn.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:58:01 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats References: <20051020213107.39486.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051020213107.39486.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2005 13:57:18.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[59D4D670:01C5D647] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd say the major point was conspicuous consumption. I think they are very impressive looking especialy the ones where the pleats are alternating colors and sometimes have two colors stacked on top of each other. I am thinking mostly of the miliatary bases in this case, but I think I remember one woman's gown with alternating colors. (Oddly enough, as I recall it was it a book on the Elizabethan time period). These to me, are a clear indicator of one of the ways the organ pipe pleats are made. If you can find the pictures of the military bases (I have them somewhere, I will look for those too), they show that the pleats are actually seams sewing the triangular "gores" together To hold the shape of the pleats they ran a tape along the back in several places. I wouldn't be surprised if they were stuffed in some cases. Sg Kathryn Parke wrote: >This is fascinating -- thank you! It seems rather impractical, though -- does it provide extra warmth, perhaps, having all that extra fabric? Or was it just one more conspicuous consumption thing, do you suppose? I can certainly see how the men would appreciate looking that much more bulked-up -- I'm thinking of Henry VIII's enormous silhouette -- but I'd think the weight alone would make it far less comfortable than other styles. > >KP > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 10:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LE2PuO024399 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LE24EC002620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LE23ha076081; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LE21gg076016 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4358F4FD.20908@msn.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:02:37 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fan References: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510202102o747da501m63cf158de33f5fc2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2005 14:01:54.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDF6F710:01C5D647] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While you are looking at this fan be sure to check out the 19th century mica fan the vendor is also selling. I think it is even cooler! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 10:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LEZt8i025032 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LEZMwn007161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LEZJ3Q095436; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LEZBBN095328 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC207401FD for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb04.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4357d89c.3d7f for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDWPydUw4pCQIAAAAB,5667f30977dfdfc663f7fbb17b75143a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] American museum sale notice X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20051021073509.F26A124@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a great way to spend a couple of hours! Now, if I just had a few thousand dollars to blow, I could mail in a few bids. Ah well, at least I can look at the fabulous stuff. Thanks!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- katherine sanders wrote: From: katherine sanders Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:54:14 +0100 (BST) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] American museum sale notice UNPRECEDENTED TEXTILE & COSTUME SALE Since Thanksgiving, 2004, Charles A. Whitaker and Karen Augusta have been in consultation with the Denver Art Museum to plan one the most important textile and fashion collector events in recent memory, the de-accession of a large portion of the Denver Art Museum's historic clothing collection. This vast collection, much of which has been unseen by the public for over fifty years, will be sold unreserved in a series of auctions run by the Charles A. Whitaker Auction Co. The first sale is to be held November 18th and 19th, 2005 in New Hope, Pennsylvania. The majority of lots for the fall auction come directly from the back rooms and storage facility of this important American museum. Museum de-accessions from The Philadelphia Museum of Art and the Fashion Institute of Design & Merchandising and an important private collection of textiles and garments from the Chew family make up the balance of the 2-day, 1090 lot sale. The Chew textiles have been in storage since their removal from Cliveden Mansion, the 18th century National Trust property in Germantown, PA. This auction's offerings span three centuries of textile and costume history. Featured items include a Schiaparelli bead-encrusted jacket, a rare 1920's Chanel evening wrap, wedding shoes dated 1736, 18th & 19th C. corsets, rare 18th & 19th C. men's, women's and children's clothing, 20th C. couture & designer clothing, a 17th C. woven Swedish Biederwind panel, as well as other textiles, fabrics, laces, table & bed linens. Historians and costume collectors can now preview a photo gallery of sale highlights and the complete catalogue at the auctioneer's website, www.whitakerauction.com. A full day preview is scheduled for Thursday, November 17 from 1-6 PM. For additional information, catalogs, pictures, phone and order bids visit the website or call Charles A. Whitaker at 215-817-4600 or Karen Augusta at 802-463-3333 "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 11:51:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LFprNr026886 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:51:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LFp5Ol017200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:51:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LForRI051504; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9LFomHZ051362 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41855 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2005 15:50:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JvgQ9TmJ0tkF2P20l9MWJQEjdQxd4FB+5gzNrWb+k+cWBAD7N6K5vf3jVWJhSG4UaqVfdozpXO7O6YdRJ4u/O+2FZ6hD9SXCt4XVfwwdRvD8msv0/wv1ivW56poFZ8z1/QTb+XW26WshPkzQzzNNfDXg8GOejIQ0E14CKRCohSs= ; Message-ID: <20051021155042.41853.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:50:42 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510211322.j9LDMUB0056880@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:rick rack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not at home and can' look at my back issues, but.... Didn't Pieceworks magazine have an article on rick rack a while back? (Huh...rick/rack/back) I Seem to recal that it was a history of rick rack and I think they might have addressed that rick rack/wavy braid difference and shewn at least an example of the sewn together stuff. But don't depend on my memory.... Mia in CHarlotte, NC, where they are making her actually work this week --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 12:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LGphiC028751 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LGpAgq025289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGowaF000460; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGoqPT000362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:50:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-86.sonic.net [209.148.114.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGomaA024834 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:50:49 -0700 Message-ID: <43591C6B.5050708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:50:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: rick rack References: <20051021155042.41853.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051021155042.41853.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wouldn't get hung up on the "wavy braid," "waved braid," etc. versus "rickrack" terms. I used "rickrack" because it is a term most people recognize now and is used in the titles of many 20th-century booklets on rickrack crochet. The Victorians happily called a wide variety of shapes "wavy braid," or just "fancy braid," from the mildly serpentine to the pointy. They showed you a picture of the tatted-and-braid jabot, or whatever, you were supposed to make and left it to you to either buy braid that looked exactly like it or buy some other braid with somewhat different waves and adapt the pattern to it as necessary. Fashion terminology is often neither precise nor consistent. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Mia Dappert wrote: >I'm not at home and can' look at my back issues, but.... > >Didn't Pieceworks magazine have an article on rick rack a while back? (Huh...rick/rack/back) > >I Seem to recal that it was a history of rick rack and I think they might have addressed that rick rack/wavy braid difference and shewn at least an example of the sewn together stuff. > >But don't depend on my memory.... > >Mia in CHarlotte, NC, where they are making her actually work this week > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 12:56:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LGuPFo028904 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LGtiSr025792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGthHr004172; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGtXFH004046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0330.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.76]:2603 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ET0B2-0003tl-My for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: <43591D80.5060906@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:55:28 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO she must have run out of ambition before she ran out of body that needed covering. LOL Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 06:03 21/10/2005, you wrote: > >> Not historical, but fun.... >> >> http://www.costume-con.org/CClink/CC13/Photos/pages/ff06.shtml >> >> Sandy >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 13:00:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LH0Dem029036 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:00:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LGxjPK026339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGxfXI007384; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGxav8007264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0330.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.76]:2605 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ET0Ex-0004P3-J7 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: <43591E72.8070908@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:59:30 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021062301.01cf67d0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I > understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and > would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very > popular trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! > But ric-rac involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another > example of two countries separated by the same language? > > Suzi > that's what their talking about. you can crochet it onto a garment in the same way you crochet lace on, imagine battenburg lace as another somewhat similar item. in battenburg lace they are using a sheer lace in place of the Ric-rac braid. in using it in crochet they are attaching the rickrac with crochet stitches between the fabric and the rickrack. I'm not sure how they made a fabric with it, but I've seen rickrack intertwined to make a flat, not zigzag braid, so I imagine you could use it just about anyway you're imagination could twist it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 14:03:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LI3V76030682 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LI2VxE034731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LI2Ja1058714; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LI27qW058559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:02:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0330.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.76]:2878 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ET1DO-000668-GX for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <43592D17.8030609@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:01:59 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <200510211322.j9LDMUAx056880@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051021145039.01d5b438@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021145039.01d5b438@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO this stuff IS the same stuff we remember from the 50s-60s. some is crocheted onto and some is not, but it is the same stuff. Kitty Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 14:44 21/10/2005, you wrote: > >> My favorite example of ric-rac is the decoration on Bia's dress >> (daughter of Cosimo I Medici, Eleanora's step-daughter) in the >> portrait by Bronzino. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bronzino/1/bia.jpg >> >> Beth Matney > > > Great image - that's exactly what I think of as "ric rac" and what's > more, I can buy stuff like that in a shop in the centre of London! > Thanks so much - a very useful piece of research. > > Suzi > > > > >>> >Could someone explain what "ric-rac" is? It doesn't seem to be what I >>> >understand. I have several cards of ric-rac braid I got in a sale, and >>> >would use it to sew on to a garment for decoration. It was a very >>> popular >>> >trim in the mid 50's if I remember right - that's the 1950's! But >>> ric-rac >>> >involving crochet is a total mystery to me. Yet another example of two >>> >countries separated by the same language? >>> >>> Go here: >>> >>> http://crochet.about.com/library/weekly/aa082600.htm >>> >>> This article doesn't go back as far as the early 1800s, from where I >>> saw my >>> earliest example of this stuff, but read it and learn what Fran wants >>> to do >>> without crochet. >>> >>> >>> CarolynKayta Barrows > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 14:32:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LIWdlx031537 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LIVmwW040325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIVhY8082778; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIVSkF082548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9LIOjjf029188 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:24:45 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <435933FF.50205@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:31:27 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <200510211322.j9LDMUAx056880@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051021083613.02ba0ba0@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > My favorite example of ric-rac is the decoration on Bia's dress > (daughter of Cosimo I Medici, Eleanora's step-daughter) in the portrait > by Bronzino. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bronzino/1/bia.jpg That looks like rick-rack's sibling to me, not exactly rick-rack as I think of it. The Bronzino example looks more like a straight band with half-circle bumps off of it, alternating sides, rather than a wave shape. It's very interesting, though. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 14:37:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LIbUKu031644 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LIb9Ks040944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIb7um087095; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIb2bd087034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-86.sonic.net [209.148.114.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LGbFvP015385 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:37:25 -0700 Message-ID: <43591939.1090206@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:37:13 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack References: <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051021020915.02e16030@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051021020915.02e16030@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Victorians liked "fancy braids" to make tape laces, and lacy crocheted, knitted, and tatted constructions. That's the sort of thing rickrack and its variants (in terms of the depth and pointiness of the "waves") seem to have been made for originally. I have seen a few original garments dating from circa 1880 to circa 1910 with areas of rackrack lace (yokes, cuffs, whole bodices, wide hem trims) that did not include any fancy stitches, but which merely had rickrack sewn in patterns, held with ordinary (hand) whipstitches at the points. I have an 1880s dress with rickrack wide cuffs and I think some other sections somewhere in my collection, but I can't find it. The rickrack was coiled into small circular medallions, and then the medallions were sewn together. I've also seen it sewn together in straight designs. It's really quite effective. People who expect rickrack to be just a few rows machine sewed on a child's dress don't recognize the rickrack in rickrack work for what it is. There are obvious geometric possibilities for small square medallions, straight horizontal or vertical rows, square medallions, and so on. I'd like to find some original Victorian and Edwardian patterns though. I mail ordered a 1910s rickrack pattern booklet from a used bookseller yesterday but I don't know what's in it yet. BTW, all the examples I've seen so far were white and were on "lingerie" type dresses or wrappers. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> I don't remember it in either my facsimile of Mrs. Beeton, or Therese >> de Dillmont. > > > Wave braid crocheted together is really big in the 1880s, after Mrs. > Beeton's and M. Dillmont's time. Start looking for it then. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 14:43:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LIhiTb031800 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LIhNBT041757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIhMjJ091799; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LIa3Zw086158 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF371F3539 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200510211800.j9LI0CxP056873@net.indra.com> References: <200510211800.j9LI0CxP056873@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:35:44 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: rick rack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:00 PM -0600 10/21/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >My favorite example of ric-rac is the decoration on Bia's dress (daughter >of Cosimo I Medici, Eleanora's step-daughter) in the portrait by Bronzino. >http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/bronzino/1/bia.jpg OOH and my neighbor had a wedding shawl that was decorated with something that looks like that!. Not woven--embroidered. It was a pin tuck that was pulled to the left and tacked and then pulled to the right. Repeat like forever and do multiple rows--it looks smashing! Ta Carol--Fall is here for real--rainy and cool and the leaves are changing! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 15:36:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LJaX0w000669 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LJa2iB048781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LJZnsr032316; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LJZjEp032190 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:35:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mischele1@cox.net) Received: from Mischele ([68.1.69.204]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20051021193508.KRTI2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@Mischele> for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c5d676$a4be3120$cc450144@Mischele> From: "mischele1" To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:35:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Hair taping on Bronzino painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9LJaX0w000669 Status: RO Greetings, I am delighted to see the trim that looks so much like rick rack on the girls dress. I was even more delighted to notice that the front portion of her short hair has been taped. Thanks so much for sharing the double portion. Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 16:26:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LKQW1t001895 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LKPmUS054936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LKPcSi071481; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LKPXBT071393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-51.sonic.net [209.148.113.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LKPVJ1021516 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <43594EBC.2000703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:25:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress with rickrack lace on concluded ebay auction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8341058481&fromMakeTrack=true If the link doesn't work, try searching eBay on the item number. The rickrack medallions seem to be held in the center by some kind of simple embroidery or needle lace stitch. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 18:02:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LM2ttg004464 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LM2PB8067572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LM2L44044654; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LM2FEW044556 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ET4xq-000DuZ-7W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:02:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:01:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hoods References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051020170631.01d10d58@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051020170631.01d10d58@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, Are you looking for detail, or just any images? (to prove it wasn't just a figment of Holbein's imagination?) The Visual History of Costume, 16th century, has three church brasses, also the portrait of Elizabeth of York. Elizabeth of York's effigy in Westminster Abbey. Tournament roll from the birth of Prince Henry, 1511 (he died at 8 weeks), shows all Catherine of Aragon's ladies in waiting in gable hoods, with a squared off back section and no back drape. (Owned by the College of Arms, London) Portrait medal of Anne Boleyn, 1534 (British Museum) These three from the illustrated version of Antonia Fraser's "The Six Wives of Henry VIII", Weidenfeld & Nicholson 1996, 029783567X And a Lucas Hornebolte miniature of Catherine of Aragon (in the collection of the Duke of Buccleuch) - "Sisters to the King" by Maria Perry, Andre Deutsch, 1998, 0233990046 Jean Suzi Clarke wrote > >As I am fighting a losing battle with a gable hood I am making for a >museum (for members of the public to try on, so all the bits have to be >sewn together - eurk!) I have been looking for as many images of gable >hoods as I can find. Curiously I have only found drawings and paintings >by Holbein, apart from the Margaret of Beaufort (I think - early) one. > >Does anyone have other references? To save time, I already have the >following sites as reference. > > * The English Gable Hood > * Tudor Gable >Headdress: A Portfolio of Images > * An English Hood: >Step-by-step Instructions > * Making an English >or Gable Hood > * An English Hood Pattern > * Tudor Gable >Headdress Illustrated: Step by Step Directions > >Suzi (who needs about 5 hands!) >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 21 18:23:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LMNOPb004924 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9LMN3OZ070018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:23:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9LMMu8g058708; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9LMMoTm058596 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68185 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2005 22:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2005 22:22:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021231731.01d16668@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:20:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hoods In-Reply-To: References: <000501c5d584$8e8c83e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051020170631.01d10d58@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:01 21/10/2005, you wrote: >Suzi, > >Are you looking for detail, or just any images? (to prove it wasn't >just a figment of Holbein's imagination?) The Visual History of >Costume, 16th century, has three church brasses, also the portrait >of Elizabeth of York. > >Elizabeth of York's effigy in Westminster Abbey. >Tournament roll from the birth of Prince Henry, 1511 (he died at 8 >weeks), shows all Catherine of Aragon's ladies in waiting in gable >hoods, with a squared off back section and no back drape. (Owned by >the College of Arms, London) >Portrait medal of Anne Boleyn, 1534 (British Museum) > >These three from the illustrated version of Antonia Fraser's "The >Six Wives of Henry VIII", Weidenfeld & Nicholson 1996, 029783567X > >And a Lucas Hornebolte miniature of Catherine of Aragon (in the >collection of the Duke of Buccleuch) - "Sisters to the King" by >Maria Perry, Andre Deutsch, 1998, 0233990046 > > >Jean Thanks Jean - yes, to prove Holbein hadn't arbitrarily decided to draw them and that was the only evidence. I'll try and find the Antonia Fraser book - sounds very helpful - another back! I'd forgotten the "Visual History" as so many of the paintings are reproduced so darkly. I'll go and take another look at that. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 06:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MAvH2Y002567 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MAuoJr055943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MAui9l069167; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MAuXwa069061 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AAD201AC; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:56:18 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 22 Oct 05 10:56:13 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c5d6f7$bbfe5280$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43594EBC.2000703@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress with rickrack lace on concluded ebay auction Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:59:51 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, I just googled "Piecework" rick-rack and found three volumes of Weldon"s Needlework that might give you the resources for your project. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dress with rickrack lace on concluded ebay auction > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8341058481&fromMakeTrack=true > > If the link doesn't work, try searching eBay on the item number. > > The rickrack medallions seem to be held in the center by some kind of > simple embroidery or needle lace stitch. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 09:02:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MD23GB018584 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:02:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MD1Xpe067919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MD1Trs011090; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MD1QLs011053 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.18.153.136 by BAY20-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:01:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.18.153.136] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com From: "Nancy Kiel" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:01:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:01:18 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 13:01:20.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[B296BAA0:01C5D708] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9MD23GB018584 Status: RO I looked thru the Met's online info, and couldn't find the base. Can you offer guidance? ----- Original Message ----- From: WickedFrau To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats I'm not sure if you want organ pipe pleating or rolled pleats documentation, but if it is the former, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a military base which is organ pipe pleated (Early 16th century). Blanche Paynes "History of Costume" has a discussion and a pattern for it. I've spent some time looking for an earlier word for them, but have not come up with it in English or German. The English word only goes back to to about 1890. The current German word Röhrenfalten doesn't appear in Grimm's etemological dictionary. I have queried both Leo online forums (back in March 05) and non-current German forum (just today): If you find anything, I'd sure like to hear about it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 11:12:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MFCVaM021326 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MFC0kY077263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFBvi2062078; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFBsmB062024 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:11:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005102215114601500r5o3ce>; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:11:47 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:11:45 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: aquaterratextiles@yahoogroups.com (Aquaterra Textiles), h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), bowslairelist@yahoogroups.com (Bowslaire List), murmurs@baronyofaquaterra.org (Murmurs Aquaterra) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:11:45 +0000 Message-Id: <102220051511.25603.435A56B0000EE1080000640322007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2 homes available on Fair Isles! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this on my online news page. I'd *love* to try and get one of these homes, but that is just a dream. Elena/Gia Americans Clamor for Spot on Scottish Isle By Associated Press Fri Oct 21, 5:29 PM LONDON - The tight-knit community of Fair Isle _ known for the sweaters it produces _ was overwhelmed with U.S. interest when it opened its doors a crack. The remote island north of the Scottish mainland, home to about 70 people, recently advertised that two homes were available. The ad drew several hundred inquires and about 80 applications, mostly from Americans, according to the conservation charity National Trust for Scotland, which officially owns the 6-square-mile island. Many of the applicants have the knitting skills in such high demand on the island, said Angus Jack, regional surveyor for the trust. The island has long been known for a particular style of knitting with horizontal bands of geometric patterns. Jack said the community will play a major role in selecting the two families that will inhabit the vacant four-bedroom and five-bedroom houses. "The island is small, and the island is remote, so although (the new residents) have to be independent in supporting themselves, they will be dependent on others in the community," Jack said. "They have to become an active part of that community as well. Really, that's the kind of people we're looking for." ____ On the Net: http://www.fairisle.org.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 11:41:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MFf5sE021794 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MFefpE079535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFedSQ073729; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFeaZK073718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-116.sonic.net [209.148.113.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFeZPT030516 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:40:35 -0700 Message-ID: <435A5D74.3000206@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:40:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress with rickrack lace on concluded ebay auction References: <43594EBC.2000703@lavoltapress.com> <004f01c5d6f7$bbfe5280$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <004f01c5d6f7$bbfe5280$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know, I have that whole series and didn't think to look in it! Thanks for reminding me. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >Fran, I just googled "Piecework" rick-rack and found three volumes of >Weldon"s Needlework that might give you the resources for your project. > >Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 11:50:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MFowGL021967 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:50:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MFoUKe080285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFoQYZ077552; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MFoMgS077477 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:50:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4EE3C942 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435A5FE3.2020309@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:50:59 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Costume by Ruth Buck ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Victorian Costume - and Costume Accessories (ISBN:0903585170) Buck, Ruth. Another book I'm considering purchasing... does anyone have this or know if the contents are worth it? It's an older title so I'm not sure if the photos are going to be that good. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 13:07:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MH7fwr023303 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:07:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MH6uoR086286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MH6rqP010781; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9MH6lD0010707 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 54258 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2005 17:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2005 17:06:37 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022180320.01d54f48@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:04:33 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume by Ruth Buck ? In-Reply-To: <435A5FE3.2020309@reddawn.net> References: <435A5FE3.2020309@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:50 22/10/2005, you wrote: >Victorian Costume - and Costume Accessories (ISBN:0903585170) Buck, Ruth. > > >Another book I'm considering purchasing... does anyone have this or >know if the contents are worth it? It's an older title so I'm not >sure if the photos are going to be that good. That's Anne Buck, not Ruth. It is a very useful little book indeed. I bought it in a second hand shop, and find it very handy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 14:32:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MIWD4r025265 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MIVZog093945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MIVTi2048425; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MIVFYa048287 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: <435A8599.7070508@msn.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:31:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 18:31:08.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[C514AEC0:01C5D736] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sure, until I find it in my backed up pictures, you can get a hold of these books; Payne, Blanche. *History of Costume - From the Ancient Egyptians to the Twentieth Century* (1965). Harper & Row, USA. This book is rather odd. It has no ISBN number. The copyright on mine is 1965, but I cannot tell what edition it is. It has a Library of Congress Cataloge card number 65-10419. It is critical to get the "right" version as some versions do not have the patterns in the back. In my particular edition there is a B&W photo of a surviving base (fig. 288, pg 272) from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Arms & Armor Collection. It also has a to-scale pattern draft in the back of the book, with notes. Another good base picture can be found in: Davenport, Millia, The Book of Costume (1948), Crown Publishers, New York. My edition is a two volume series, second printing. On page 159, figure 450 is a quilted gold brocade Waffenrock which supposedly belonged to Maximilian. This one is photo'd (IMO) inside out so you can see the tapings on the inside. The gowns which have this type of pleating were sometimes called falten (pleated) or wappen Roeke (oe = umlauted o). Wappen can mean a few things depending on the time and place (weapon or coat of arms), sometimes it is spelled waffen. So again in IMO they were probably copied from the style used in the military bases. Sg * * * * Nancy Kiel wrote: >I looked thru the Met's online info, and couldn't find the base. Can you offer guidance? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WickedFrau > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Organ pipe pleats > > > I'm not sure if you want organ pipe pleating or rolled pleats > documentation, but if it is the former, the Metropolitan Museum of Art > has a military base which is organ pipe pleated (Early 16th century). > Blanche Paynes "History of Costume" has a discussion and a pattern for > it. I've spent some time looking for an earlier word for them, but have > not come up with it in English or German. The English word only goes > back to to about 1890. The current German word Röhrenfalten doesn't > appear in Grimm's etemological dictionary. I have queried both Leo > online forums (back in March 05) and non-current German forum (just today): > > If you find anything, I'd sure like to hear about it. > > Sg > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 15:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MJaKa5026344 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MJZPFq098407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MJZL3p074515; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MJZH2e074466 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.232]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A9D785EE009 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c5d73f$c6256c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:35:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blanche Paynes book with patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would be very greatfull if anybody could tell me a little more of these patterns. Some years ago i photocopyed some patterns from a book at the library, and just wondered if these are from the book of Blanche Payne. There is the cut of the wool mantua and a pattern of an 18th century dress made in silk faille, jacket and skirt. Also the cut of Frederik V's, wedding suit also a francaise dress and there are photos of the actual garments. Just in case that i didnt need to buy the book, i am only interrested in the patterns, if i dont have them already. Would be very gratefull if some could give me a clue Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 17:52:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MLpxlP029180 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MLpRq5009559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MLpHTs026807; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MLpCFB026779 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from tig-nz-akl-ns-42.ihug.net (ihug.co.nz) [203.109.252.42] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ETRGg-00035L-00; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:51:10 +1300 From: thebruce@ihug.co.nz To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blanche Paynes book with patterns X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1m, http://netwinsite.com/refw.htm X-Originating-IP: 219.89.165.75 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:51:10 +1300 Priority: normal Message-id: <435ab44e.399.2e55.1097219926@ihug.co.nz> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I would be very greatfull if anybody could tell me a > little more of these patterns. > Some years ago i photocopyed some patterns from a book at > the library, and just wondered if these are from the book > of Blanche Payne. There is the cut of the wool mantua and > a pattern of an 18th century dress made in silk faille, > jacket and skirt. Also the cut of Frederik V's, wedding > suit also a francaise dress and there are photos of the > actual garments. Just in case that i didnt need to buy the > book, i am only interrested in the patterns, if i dont > have them already. Would be very gratefull if some could > give me a clue Kia ora Bjarne, That does indeed sound like the Patterns in Payne. There is also a line drawing of the Danish Mantua (please forgive me, I'm away from my computor and so can't spell the correct name.) The patterns at the bottom are numbered then lettered. So if the pattern takes 3 pages it's labelled like 1a, 1b, 1c. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 22 18:21:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9MMLe71029830 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9MMLGPO012482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MMLDvs038530; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9MMLAeW038450 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:21:04 -0700 Message-ID: <435ABB7D.8070701@msn.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:21:49 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blanche Paynes book with patterns References: <435ab44e.399.2e55.1097219926@ihug.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <435ab44e.399.2e55.1097219926@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 22:21:04.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[E40FFEE0:01C5D756] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds about right. Mine has 43 different patterns...if that helps and indeed there is a pattern for the wedding suit of King Frederick of Denmark (1743) and a Gold Embroidered Wool Dress c1690. Looks like it could be a mantua, but isn't called one directly. Sg >The patterns at the bottom are numbered then lettered. 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 04:49:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9N8nZC2022961 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:49:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9N8n6OC075704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9N8mxHf052048; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9N8ms9J052017 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.196]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ECF1262843 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001501c5d7ae$9fbd93d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:49:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blanche Paynes book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Michaela, dear Saragrace, Thanks a lot for your informations, yes it must be from this book then. Then i dont have to worry. Many greetings, thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 08:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NCRIFi031446 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:27:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NCQl6X089152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NCQe3t019203; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:26:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NCQaHi019162 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A17501C4; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:26:29 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 23 Oct 05 12:26:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c5d7cd$80e9ca40$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435A5FE3.2020309@reddawn.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20051022180320.01d54f48@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume by Ruth Buck ? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:30:05 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have her children's clothing book which I find a charming presentation, especially the many photos of antique children's wear. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume by Ruth Buck ? > At 16:50 22/10/2005, you wrote: > >Victorian Costume - and Costume Accessories (ISBN:0903585170) Buck, Ruth. > > > > > >Another book I'm considering purchasing... does anyone have this or > >know if the contents are worth it? It's an older title so I'm not > >sure if the photos are going to be that good. > > > > That's Anne Buck, not Ruth. It is a very useful little book indeed. I > bought it in a second hand shop, and find it very handy. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 15:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NJTQFO008424 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NJSm7I017152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJSkdL075895; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJSfAM075860 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c3.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.195]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 62E8626282D for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c5d808$02ae6a10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:28:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My ribbed silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh i am so dissapointed. I tryed to embroider a small sampler on my new ribbed silk, yesterday evening. I will have to give it up. It is most difficult to stitch precisely because of the ribs, also transfer of pattern on to this is very difficult. The ribs are very hard to stitch trough. Well it has to be a plain jacket then. But i still could embroider a fine waistcoat in grey to go with this. Got some perfectly matching silk threads to embroider the waistcoat with from Mulberry silks in England. Imagine they have 900 colours to choose from! Found 3 shades that matches the ribbed silk, for flowers. It really was a shame........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 15:35:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NJZDYD008567 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:35:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NJYtlY017627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJYtnS078201; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJYpwT078130 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE31F3C942 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:35:38 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] a holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 15:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NJkQOA008837 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NJk2f8018536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJjxRQ082592; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJjsch082551 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B87A40327 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4357d896.21c88 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDW+hxuSa1IQIAAAAB,56c496db85d33bf8b9439d4b8ff26345 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My ribbed silk X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.73] Message-Id: <20051023124553.F2409D9@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, why not embroider the flowers on smooth silk and then applique them to the ribbed silk. It is a perfectly acceptable historic way of working (particularly on velvet). Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:28:52 +0200 To: Subject: [h-cost] My ribbed silk Oh i am so dissapointed. I tryed to embroider a small sampler on my new ribbed silk, yesterday evening. I will have to give it up. It is most difficult to stitch precisely because of the ribs, also transfer of pattern on to this is very difficult. The ribs are very hard to stitch trough. Well it has to be a plain jacket then. But i still could embroider a fine waistcoat in grey to go with this. Got some perfectly matching silk threads to embroider the waistcoat with from Mulberry silks in England. Imagine they have 900 colours to choose from! Found 3 shades that matches the ribbed silk, for flowers. It really was a shame........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 15:47:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NJldAW008871 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:47:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NJlNw9018628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJlNwf083109; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NJlJKS083078 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0D040391 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb03.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.4357d89c.2923f for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDW+jHJdTaVgIAAAAB,e919f508a707076217fe4516366e7812 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.73] Message-Id: <20051023124719.F2410F4@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love it. Since I retired, I miss the gift exchanges we used to do at work. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:35:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a holiday idea Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 16:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NKb36q010084 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NKaR96022598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NKaPWB003389; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9NKaLKJ003345 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBXZ7AWAZ89C7A for (sender ); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K7Z94QKF; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:42 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:31:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My ribbed silk Message-ID: <20051023.133437.2504.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-40 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 15:7:1610947215 X-MAIL-INFO: 457f03237f2f6f47bf2b232b4b4b4a4f0b5f4f3e435f0fc7d72eb39e578e9bae7acf6e67cebf02eb2f7f2ef7afabafd3dfdad3df3adedf3a6f2e2ba73b63e387a7774b73e3bb77f30783779f133ff75ff72adb3a5edff7de X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkwh1H3Ryxf1PjJC9AZe35U= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm glad to hear that you're embroidering again. Congratulations! :-) Arlys On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:28:52 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Oh i am so dissapointed. I tryed to embroider a small sampler on my > new > ribbed silk, yesterday evening. I will have to give it up. It is > most > difficult to stitch precisely because of the ribs, also transfer of > pattern > on to this is very difficult. The ribs are very hard to stitch > trough. > Well it has to be a plain jacket then. > But i still could embroider a fine waistcoat in grey to go with > this. Got > some perfectly matching silk threads to embroider the waistcoat with > from > Mulberry silks in England. Imagine they have 900 colours to choose > from! > Found 3 shades that matches the ribbed silk, for flowers. > It really was a shame........... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 17:13:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NLDrWH010971 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:13:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NLDYuh025508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLDRWi019451; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLDNw6019423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-137.sonic.net [209.148.113.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLDMOk004721 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: <435BFCF2.6030608@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:13:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would people choose names of recipients from the list or get randomly drawn ones? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their > name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). > Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then > charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it > to that person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) > > > > Dawn > wet, windy and cold in KC > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 17:23:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NLNUwO011279 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NLN9CC026220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLN1XZ023281; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9NLMlou023190 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14841 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 21:21:46 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:21:45 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, > address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each > participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged > with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that > person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Sounds like alot of fun! Count me in! Would we get some other info about the person so that it can kinda be a "get to know you" thing also? I know the names of many people on the list but don't know all that much about them. It would be neat to know a little more..... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 17:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NLW8ik011475 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NLVolL026804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLVn84026633; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLVkOl026614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-143.sonic.net [209.148.113.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NLViZ8009551 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <435C0140.70001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:31:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Certainly, a link to any website the person has would help; a two-word statement of costuming era or interest would also convey a lot briefly. Long descriptions, while helpful, could become a real pain for Dawn to maintain. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Would we get some other info about the person so that it can kinda be a >"get to know you" thing also? I know the names of many people on the list >but don't know all that much about them. It would be neat to know a >little more..... > >Diana > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 18:39:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NMdmFe013109 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NMdLK4031126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMdIll051343; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMdBwY051268 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:39:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5113CEE8 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:38:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:39:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Would people choose names of recipients from the list or get randomly drawn ones? > It would be randomly drawn. > Would we get some other info about the person so that it can kinda be a > "get to know you" thing also? That's an option. I'm open to suggestions. I'd like it to be fun for everyone who wants to participate. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 18:43:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NMhduP013186 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:43:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NMhNj8031351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMhOpQ052819; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMhKLC052751 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:43:14 -0700 Message-ID: <435C1232.6030605@msn.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:44:02 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2005 22:43:14.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[274CB280:01C5D823] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this is a great idea. Would a theme be helpful or too limiting? I was thinking like "Christmas ornament" or "costume accessory". Hmmm, "sewing notion" sounds good too. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 18:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NMrVqO013430 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:53:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NMrCNT031924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMrClS056553; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NMr5cc056444 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so1582437nzf for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=LQbaRfxTtGBn8S3LEmBKfusr1Zm79Tk4zWBIdzZohh/PAt+yu3Rr+SU7NIWzlN94sE0OJis+cfJ8d6YPeAZKtrL5BnoaPfHpnQ7l3347a2YgdW3kF2tLIJGz86szLJ4VDXf/y65XpHwf0zmMRGMYSMp7vs5mdEWxp2FrjG0gs8M= Received: by 10.36.138.13 with SMTP id l13mr2475855nzd; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.186.70]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 20sm387849nzp.2005.10.23.15.52.46; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:53:02 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My only comment is are you going to limit it to the U.S. (I'm just noting that most replies seem to be from the US so far, probably more an indicator of time zones)? Or are you going to be able to work out something to allow everyone to particpate? Maybe an indication from people if they are will to post overseas? Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 19:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NN1uaV013598 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:01:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NN1egk032533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN1erZ059621; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN1YNE059591 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:01:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:01:28 -0700 Message-ID: <435C1678.2020807@msn.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:02:16 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2005 23:01:28.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[B33212C0:01C5D825] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lots of exchanges occur overseas in the Cloth Doll and Tamari world...I'd be willing to exchange overseas. Sg Sharon Nevin wrote: > My only comment is are you going to limit it to the U.S. (I'm just > noting that most replies seem to be from the US so far, probably more > an indicator of time zones)? Or are you going to be able to work out > something to allow everyone to particpate? Maybe an indication from > people if they are will to post overseas? > > Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 19:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NN2EYE013604 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NN20A5032561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN21N9059749; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN1vWA059728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-163.sonic.net [209.148.113.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN1sjt022616 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:01:55 -0700 Message-ID: <435C1663.6050408@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:01:55 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would prefer that given the nature of the list, the gift be somehow related to costume--a book, fabric, trimming, a pattern, a sewing tool, or something to wear that was already made. I am willing to participate and ship overseas if necessary. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > I think this is a great idea. Would a theme be helpful or too > limiting? I was thinking like "Christmas ornament" or "costume > accessory". Hmmm, "sewing notion" sounds good too. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 19:06:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9NN6KBo013690 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9NN62jl032945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9NN62HA061152; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9NN5wxf061103 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 41999 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2005 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2005 23:05:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024000034.01d599e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:03:51 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:53 23/10/2005, you wrote: >My only comment is are you going to limit it to the U.S. (I'm just >noting that most replies seem to be from the US so far, probably >more an indicator of time zones)? Or are you going to be able to >work out something to allow everyone to particpate? Maybe an >indication from people if they are will to post overseas? > >Sharon I didn't answer because of the pedantic habits of British Customs Officers. Virtually everything sent from the U.S seems to incur a charge - which is why my friends carry gifts with them when they visit, rather than send things. (And yes, I know what the rules are governing charges, and that gifts don't count - depends on the value, and the Officer!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 20:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0VI6I015564 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:31:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O0UqT9039456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0UnZr093479; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9O0Ukiq093421 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBX2L2AATRAZQS for (sender ); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K72PH6WC; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:14 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:05:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Message-ID: <20051023.190526.-494895.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2017821881 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7w6JsOMxt2eDMGtrXF49+nTfoxqzBp45gw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this is a great idea and I'd love to participate. One other piece of information I'd like to know is how long my giftee has been costuming. I'd probably send something very different to someone who has just started costuming than I would to someone who's been doing this since the Dawn of Time (tm). Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 20:38:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0cRWA015744 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:38:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O0c9st040026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0c8Ld096099; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0c425096077 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m130.in-tch.com [216.166.191.130]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9O0Uxw02021 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002c01c5d834$1be63d60$82bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:44:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like the idea, too, but it might be better off if it were left "themeless." Not all of us celebrate the holidays in the same way (or for the same reasons), or even do the same kind of sewing. --sue, back in the house from a nice walk, shushing through the maple leaves (I'm walking to Rivendell ), and waiting for a nice meatloaf to come out of the oven for dinner, and an evening's work, knitting a lace sock and spinning some Shetland wool.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea > I think this is a great idea. Would a theme be helpful or too > limiting? I was thinking like "Christmas ornament" or "costume > accessory". Hmmm, "sewing notion" sounds good too. > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 20:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0dv8x015775 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O0deuX040154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0deMM096693; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0daog096660 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m130.in-tch.com [216.166.191.130]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9O0WUw02236 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003101c5d834$51b76680$82bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net><1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:46:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd be willing to send something overseas (being in the U.S.), but if non-North Americans wanted to participate, we'd probably better take shipping times into account, when setting up a mail-by date. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Nevin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea > My only comment is are you going to limit it to the U.S. (I'm just noting > that most replies seem to be from the US so far, probably more an indicator > of time zones)? Or are you going to be able to work out something to allow > everyone to particpate? Maybe an indication from people if they are will to > post overseas? > > Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 20:41:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0fdVB015821 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:41:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O0fORL040300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0fOGJ097385; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0fKFs097331 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m130.in-tch.com [216.166.191.130]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9O0YGw02469 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003c01c5d834$912a61a0$82bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net><1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net><6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051024000034.01d599e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:47:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could we sneak-mail them from a 3rd party in Canada or something? --sue, who didn't even get nailed by Customs when she mailed *all* those books back from the UK three years ago.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea > I didn't answer because of the pedantic habits of British Customs > Officers. Virtually everything sent from the U.S seems to incur a > charge - which is why my friends carry gifts with them when they > visit, rather than send things. (And yes, I know what the rules are > governing charges, and that gifts don't count - depends on the value, > and the Officer!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 20:47:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0l7ff015957 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O0ki7h040759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0khA8099360; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0kdGS099329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-68.sonic.net [209.148.114.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O0kbpB018620 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:46:37 -0700 Message-ID: <435C2EEE.7060105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:46:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net><1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net><6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051024000034.01d599e8@127.0.0.1> <003c01c5d834$912a61a0$82bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <003c01c5d834$912a61a0$82bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought that if you filled out the label saying it's a "gift," and if, besides, it's not an expensive item, there would be no trouble with customs. I buy stuff from overseas all the time, and I've only been charged for customs once over many years; even though the packages were labeled as merchandise. Of course, that's the US, not the UK. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sue Clemenger wrote: >Could we sneak-mail them from a 3rd party in Canada or something? >--sue, who didn't even get nailed by Customs when she mailed *all* those >books back from the UK three years ago.... > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 22:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O2Ogc3018341 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O2OB7H048238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2O5kg037576; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2O1Qv037540 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20051024022356014006btvje>; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:23:56 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:23:54 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:23:54 +0000 Message-Id: <102420050223.22635.435C45BA000D65460000586B22007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a wonderful idea! I'd love to participate. Just let me know when the sign up officially starts... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, > address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each > participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged > with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that > person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) > > > > Dawn > wet, windy and cold in KC > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 22:26:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O2Q8UO018378 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:26:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O2Pnmq048391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2PnK3038371; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2Pjmw038301 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter19.comcast.net[204.127.197.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005102402254001500ragtue>; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:25:40 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:25:38 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My ribbed silk Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:25:38 +0000 Message-Id: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Couldn't you embroider it on a sheer fusible fabric and applique it on to the jacket? Or something like that? It would be a shame if you couldn't have the embroidery effect you had your heart set on... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Oh i am so dissapointed. I tryed to embroider a small sampler on my new > ribbed silk, yesterday evening. I will have to give it up. It is most > difficult to stitch precisely because of the ribs, also transfer of pattern > on to this is very difficult. The ribs are very hard to stitch trough. > Well it has to be a plain jacket then. > But i still could embroider a fine waistcoat in grey to go with this. Got > some perfectly matching silk threads to embroider the waistcoat with from > Mulberry silks in England. Imagine they have 900 colours to choose from! > Found 3 shades that matches the ribbed silk, for flowers. > It really was a shame........... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 22:39:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O2dwS7018705 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:39:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O2dglC049329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2dfaM043733; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2daTZ043709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.36] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9O2dUNq015929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:38:25 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] First Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple of months ago I had questions about constructing my first early-19th century gown. So many of you were very helpful--many thanks! The corset went well, as did the petticoat and shift. I wore the gown to my first English Country Dance ball. Here's a pic: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/ballgown.jpg Here's what I like/don't like/plan to do differently next time: 1) Fabric: I always tell myself not to get sucked in to fabrics that aren't authentic looking just because you liek them. I didn't heed myself this time: I absolutely fell in love with the fabric. It's an embroidered sheer. The colors/pattern would do better for an early 20thc entury dress, but I couldn't resist. sigh. 2) The underdress/lining is a pale green silk shantung. Shantung wasn't my first choice, but it was on super sale at fashionfabrics and I thought for a first attempt I'd better mind the budget. 3) The sleeves are a variation of a gown in the McCord museum. The petals are a bit ballet-costume maybe. 4) The pattern is basically from Nancy Bradfield's "Costume in Detail" gown from 1823, drawn on p. 119. 5) In the pic I drew in the neckline ribbon a bit too tightly in the front. Should be worn with the neckline wider. But generally, I'm pretty happy with it! I also made a white day gown that's a much closer replica of an 1815 gown in Bradfield but no pics yet. Comments that would be helpful for the next attempt would be welcome! Next up: for the holidays, another ball gown, probably a taffeta, late teens-early 20's, solid color with piping details. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 22:49:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O2nY4l018947 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O2nDpQ050147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2nAwA047737; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O2n7fP047671 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57683CEE8 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:49:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435C4BDB.9080400@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:50:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope Greenberg wrote: > A couple of months ago I had questions about constructing my first > early-19th century gown. So many of you were very helpful--many thanks! > The corset went well, as did the petticoat and shift. I wore the gown to > my first English Country Dance ball. > > Here's a pic: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/ballgown.jpg > Gorgeous! I love that embroidered fabric! What is the gold(?) stuff at the sleeves? It looks a little odd, maybe because of the flash. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 23:06:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O36Uph019324 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O364Eq051481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O362OG054593; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9O35S3t054330 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 74263 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 03:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO your-f78bf48ce2.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@70.248.101.114 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 03:05:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.0.20051023220116.02a7ac48@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:02:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:35 PM 10/23/2005, you wrote: >Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? >I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their >name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, >technique). Each participant receives the name of another >participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 >-ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. > >I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) I think this is a wonderful idea. I'd be willing to mail anywhere. My only concern is that we be careful to not go overboard. GRIN. Let us all know when the poll is over and the plans are settled. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 23:24:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O3OPK0019743 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:24:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O3O8GF052868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O3O6jU062218; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O3O21L062184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.36] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9O3Nufh018186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: <435C538C.7020008@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:22:52 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> <435C4BDB.9080400@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <435C4BDB.9080400@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! Yes, it must be the flash. I used green silk satin for the peatls on top of the sleeves and the band with triangles at the bottom of the sleeves, but the shine of the satin reflected in the flash. - Hope Dawn wrote: > Gorgeous! I love that embroidered fabric! What is the gold(?) stuff at > the sleeves? It looks a little odd, maybe because of the flash. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 23 23:57:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O3veHh020540 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O3vBOt055881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O3v5Z0074818; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O3v0Dk074721 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:57:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051024035646.NEAJ4956.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:56:46 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.188.54]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051024035646.SHJV2910.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:56:46 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.361 [267.12.4/146]); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:56:57 +1300 Message-ID: <005c01c5d84e$fa8efa10$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:56:57 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/ballgown.jpg > > Here's what I like/don't like/plan to do differently next time: > 1) Fabric: I always tell myself not to get sucked in to fabrics that > aren't authentic looking just because you liek them. I didn't heed > myself this time: I absolutely fell in love with the fabric. It's an > embroidered sheer. The colors/pattern would do better for an early 20thc > entury dress, but I couldn't resist. sigh. Aw, it's so pretty though:) And you know, if you have more of the shantung, you could rework it to be 1910s if you ever wanted to:) > But generally, I'm pretty happy with it! I also made a white day gown > that's a much closer replica of an 1815 gown in Bradfield but no pics yet. Can't wait to see them:) I'm hoping to use some woven striped fabrics for an elbow length sleeved day dress from this period:) > Next up: for the holidays, another ball gown, probably a taffeta, late > teens-early 20's, solid color with piping details. Excellent:) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 03:47:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O7lNci019984 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O7kdpR073010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O7kYd0062823; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O7kVbL062798 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 73D635EE0B6 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003f01c5d86f$1185ad70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:46:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] a holliday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 04:54:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O8sDHT000767 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9O8rdXF076365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O8rYRO086359; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9O8rTKl086308 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere@dds.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE0CBE83B for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <435CA105.5080506@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:53:25 +0200 From: Deredere User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday gift X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I really like the idea. I live in the Netherlands. Unfortionally it doesn't seems to matter anymore if it is a gift or not. Aslong as the value of the package is not more then 22 Euro you get no charge. It would be a challenge to make someting from a period I don't know much about. But maby it is better to also say in wich period you are really not interested in. I don't mind to get a gift from a period I am not, or not yet active in... Maby it would even be inspiring!. And you could give some ideas like: I would love to have a little purse tho use with my 1885 dresses... Greetings, Deredere Lavolta Press wrote: I thought that if you filled out the label saying it's a "gift," and if, besides, it's not an expensive item, there would be no trouble with customs. I buy stuff from overseas all the time, and I've only been charged for customs once over many years; even though the packages were labeled as merchandise. Of course, that's the US, not the UK. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sue Clemenger wrote: > Could we sneak-mail them from a 3rd party in Canada or something? > --sue, who didn't even get nailed by Customs when she mailed *all* those > books back from the UK three years ago.... > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 06:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OAZO7L026039 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OAYqju081643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OAYnYu020633; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OAYjHn020582 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.85.32e51709 (3996) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <85.32e51709.308e12bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:34:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 678 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/22/05 6:08:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > At 16:50 22/10/2005, you wrote: > >Victorian Costume - and Costume Accessories (ISBN:0903585170) Buck, Ruth. > > > > > >Another book I'm considering purchasing... does anyone have this or > >know if the contents are worth it? It's an older title so I'm not > >sure if the photos are going to be that good. > > > > That's Anne Buck, not Ruth. It is a very useful little book indeed. I > bought it in a second hand shop, and find it very handy. > > Suzi > Was about to say exactly the same thing! - very useful book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 06:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OAfYw4027374 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OAfJ0H082228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OAfG2d023614; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:41:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OAfAuE023548 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1ac.428fe864 (3996) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.428fe864.308e143b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:40:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re. 2. a holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like a really good idea to me, so I'd be in (although I agree with Suzi about British customs, it works the other way round too (ie whether they charge or not is completely at random!!) But an idea of exactly what people's interests are would be essential. Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 09:24:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ODOXxK032478 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ODNoj9009004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ODNgqE086932; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ODNd6U086853 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:23:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:23:21 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: a holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like a fun idea Dawn :), please count me in. And I agree with some of the ideas being tossed around, keep it simple and costume related. How about an accessory or sewing notion/tool? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 11:31:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OFVYiF001651 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:31:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OFV1Ij022064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFUunH066720; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFUpFx066626 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f5.5cca53b0 (57317) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:30:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:30:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:24:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Thanks! Yes, it must be the flash. I used green silk satin It looks fine. Perhaps because you only see it on the sleeve it looks a bit "shocking." All you need is a bit of it elsewhere....like a belt of it at the high waist line or a bow at the CF neck.....or both The beautiful [and not too modern IMHO] fabric of the gown is light and lacy and the satin is solid and plain. But just find a place to incorporate it more into the overall gown.[stay away from the hem , is my advice....it's actually a good attention getter so keep it up around the bodice] Very nice. Cover the shoes in the satin too! [I know...I just said stay away from the hem. But if the satin is on the bodice more....the shoes will be fine I think] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 11:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OFg2rP001856 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:42:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OFfcYV023318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFfbXj074908; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFfTDH074809 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9OFfRWT006015 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:30:56 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510241531.j9OFUwqU066738@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ballgown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope: That's a lovely dress. The sheer fabric on top looks a lot like some fabric I used for part of an Easter dress for my daughter, but the flowers were white on white. It was awful to sew! I hope yours was better. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 11:44:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OFinO3001898 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OFdHUS023084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFdGvh073055; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OFdBgn072988 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D440283 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb12.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.435c578b.5446 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDXQAKG4vrfAIAAAAB,3124f3bbae691b51ef09ddc8b1fa2d64 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051024083850.20B5BC00@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, It wouldn't make a bit of difference what you sent, we would all die to get something you made! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:46:33 +0200 To: Subject: [h-cost] a holliday idea Hi. I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 12:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OGf8T5002686 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:41:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OGe0bJ031982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OGdqp0025822; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OGdmQr025765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-148.sonic.net [209.148.114.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OGdkPN002914 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:47 -0700 Message-ID: <435D0E54.9020107@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday gift References: <435CA105.5080506@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <435CA105.5080506@dds.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Aslong as the value of the package is not more then 22 Euro you get no > charge. And the sender declares the value of the package, at least when shipping from the US. > > It would be a challenge to make someting from a period I don't know > much about. > But you don't necessarily have to make something. You could give someone a sewing tool or some trim or some dye or a pattern or a book, and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Fran Lavolta Press http;//www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 12:47:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OGlkLp002809 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:47:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OGlJw3033439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:47:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OGlHE1032348; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9OGlBuB032193 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63408 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2005 16:47:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ajoa9LY3IoEY/NkbflUjiZMa56jd6YRlP6tfNzIO8qfjY98MyMltn/PlxIiEeBf2CQxa04By+Df/NlbgKlo1cmjpUXPUXhmtr0P9fvXy//AVFg7ga2+H9eeCbGTGLh6KHF9iixGVMrwYHpenae0OdL1r4O+FYPdhryUnXik0oUU= ; Message-ID: <20051024164705.63406.qmail@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:47:04 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds fun. Count me in! Chris G. Dawn wrote: Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 13:25:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OHPLVD003459 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OHOtbQ038635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OHOoXo064416; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OHOlb1064277 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.189 ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200510241724410140069av8e>; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:41 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.189; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:40 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:40 +0000 Message-Id: <102420051724.772.435D18D80002C7010000030422092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like fun. I would like to join the gift exchange also. I can basically do anything from medieval to Elizabethan - along with some Victorian. Roscelin > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, > address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each > participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged > with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that > person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) > > > > Dawn > wet, windy and cold in KC > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 14:31:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OIVn0b004849 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:31:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OIVJ1w046987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OIVBWO018853; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OIUs6p018545 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2471a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.26]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D49E5EE065 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:30:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003b01c5d8c9$1b66df80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051024083850.20B5BC00@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:31:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lalah, Thanks a lot, very nicely said of you What i ment was that i would like to make something period, but it would be super if it was within same range of time as the receiver. I have never tryed this before, is it going to be like a lottery who we are going to send for? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea > Bjarne, It wouldn't make a bit of difference what you sent, we would all > die to get something you made! > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:46:33 +0200 > To: > Subject: [h-cost] a holliday idea > Hi. > I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be > problems? > If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be > much > helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? > Bjarne > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 14:51:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OIpQUg005364 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:51:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OIoqTA049592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OIokto034345; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OIoeav034260 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j9OIoSYH007882 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01c5d8cb$d18b5fa0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051024083850.20B5BC00@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <003b01c5d8c9$1b66df80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:49:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it would be fun, too. Count me in. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 15:57:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OJvPXx007256 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OJuiqL066416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OJuakA090151; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OJuVuw090044 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24741.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.65]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BAD047FE2A for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:56:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c5d8d5$0ea81fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:56:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Just wondered, what will happen if a silk taffeta was dipped in cold water? Would it get spoiled? Thoaght about the water solluble solution for transfer of embroidering pattern to silk. I could try a small sampler, but thoaght some of you already tryed? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 16:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OKhkjW008313 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:43:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OKhOLr079266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OKhIT5029076; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OGRBPE014819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9OGR98F028601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: <435D0B4F.9080705@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:26:55 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: ballgown References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone for the comments on the regency gown. I expected the sheer embroidered fabric to be a pain to sew but it was surprisingly easy--a new, tiny, sharp needle probably helped. I'll consider adding the satin to more than just the sleeves. Next up: this one! http://www.vintagemartini.com/clothing/victorian/pages/1431.html They say c. 1810 but I'm betting it's later given the heaviness of the bodice decoration. It would probably require some heavy stylised skirt/hem piped decoration and a corded petticoat as well. What do you think? And for fabric I'm thinking silk taffeta... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 16:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OKiQ7I008326 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:44:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OKi32K079356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OKi0UA029580; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OHdKnr077482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.193] (pool180-193.patriot.net [209.249.180.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9OHd3oY023994 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:39:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003f01c5d86f$1185ad70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003f01c5d86f$1185ad70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:37:21 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Hi. >I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? >If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much >helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? >Bjarne It's funny that some people are suggesting gift categories without even getting a recipient! If Bjarne got a name of someone who likes medieval, for example, he could go to a museum shop and get some post cards of medieval paintings with costume. The person would likely not be from the same country, and probably not be familiar with those paintings. The idea of a $10 limit is that it's a token, and a cultural exchange. Much as we admire each other's work, I would not expect someone to make something that would sell for $50, even if it only contained $5 worth of materials. Time is valuable too, and especially close to the holidays when a lot of people are shopping for/making gifts for family and friends already. I like the idea of several "clues" that someone suggested earlier - besides time period(s), also a favorite color and animal, and maybe another thing or two? Maybe one dislike, such as "nothing gray" or "allergic to wool". Say somebody lists 5th century, red and dragons. The giver might find a stack of postcards, or a red dragon figurine, or a yard of white linen (which is not specific to any of the clues but a 5th century person could use it). You may decide to shop, or you may have the perfect thing ripening in your fabric & trim stash already. I think once names are distributed with their clues, a gift idea will be obvious. And if not, perhaps some people with different eras of interest could advise. It may be more complicated for the organizer, but if some people are concerned about customs or postage perhaps they could specify getting a name of someone in their own country. Great idea - take a chance! Where do we sign up? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 16:45:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OKjG5D008351 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:45:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OKiwY1079502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OKitZm030274; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OIa19C022798 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PS6ELaVIrmIqlvIw56XhfrNFbp1tMmHCxyNDf6Ll8NOv/6ZMObm2mdPp08RaEaJQ; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.42.229] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EU7Ar-00028L-7E for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:35:57 -0400 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:36:01 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXYycicox8prXBhQSWbmHE5PZW9og== Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120effdf2c9f604163ed5c6f39966a6e6c53b5efdd33357ec02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.42.229 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this sounds like fun also. Please count me in. Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:03:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM3m0I010262 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM3ATm097644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM336C093681; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM2tnh093570 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9OM3dH4017940 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:39 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM2eY6041784 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:02:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051024130822.039a0888@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:32:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> References: <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Would people choose names of recipients from the list or get randomly >>drawn ones? > >It would be randomly drawn. > >>Would we get some other info about the person so that it can kinda be a >>"get to know you" thing also? > >That's an option. > >I'm open to suggestions. I'd like it to be fun for everyone who wants to >participate. How about this: Everyone who wants to participate sends a short paragraph about themselves to Dawn, telling what periods they're into, what they're doing, and their mailing address, BY A DEADLINE. When Dawn gets these e-mails, she mixes them up and e-mails a different one back to everyone who sent one. (This could simply be done by sending person one's info to person two, person two's info to person three, etc., down the list.) Then every participant has till mid-December to send their person their gift, based on the paragraph or generically related to costuming. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:03:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM3mCl010264 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM3A67097643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM34Wd093720; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM2w5N093606 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9OM3ZH4017754 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:42 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM2eY0041784 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:02:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051024130659.02590710@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:07:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I >envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, >address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each >participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged >with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that >person by Dec. 20th. > >I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Sure. I'm doing cloth-doll exchanges right now, and this could be fun too. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:03:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM3mY1010263 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM3A64097642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM36rE093764; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM32t3093667 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9OM3cH4017865 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:41 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM2eY4041784 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051024132538.03a10138@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:26:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Medieval (was Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea In-Reply-To: <003f01c5d86f$1185ad70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? >If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much >helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? I rarely wear anything like the costumes you make. But I'd love to get anything you did, whether it was my exact century or not. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:04:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM4Jku010279 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:04:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM415Q097786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM3xX5094459; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM2wVC093599 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9OM3aH4017798 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:36 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM2eY2041784 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:02:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051024131553.0399bee0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:24:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: December gift giving (was Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <002c01c5d834$1be63d60$82bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I like the idea, too, but it might be better off if it were left >"themeless." Not all of us celebrate the holidays in the same way (or for >the same reasons), or even do the same kind of sewing. Certainly there are many religious holidays in December, and different ways of celebrating them. Some people connect their favorite December religious holiday with the American commercial tradition of December gift giving, and others don't. I happen to like giving/receiving gifts, and December is when all my other friends do it, so that's the month I pick. But whatever the month, the gifts I give are usually handmade or of a historical nature, because I hand-make historical stuff anyway and because most of my recipient-friends are into historical costuming. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:08:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM8RYI010383 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:08:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM8584098289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM850A097691; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM811D097624 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14532 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:32:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:32:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Holiday idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I won't have time to make anything (and most of what little I do make is not in the "token" range anyway) but I have a huge stash of fabrics, art postcards, trims, patterns, etc. that I'd be delighted to delve into, if that's acceptable. I think I could find *something* that would be appropriate regardless whose name I get (I figure nearly anyone can use a nice piece of linen or silk, right?). So, if it's OK for me to plan on doing that, count me in. If you get enough takers, I do think it might be smart to keep the exchanges on the same continent -- e.g. match up the US people as a group, and match up the Europeans as a group. Not sure about Aussies ;-) Much as it would be cool to get an overseas package, it would keep the time and shipping costs manageable and fair to stay more local. Will we be matched in pairs, or will I be giving to one person but receiving from a different person? Also, will the matchups be secret -- e.g. we each know who we're giving to but not who we're receiving from? I think that would be the most fun -- to learn who your gift-giver is only when you get the surprise package. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:09:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OM9Oww010409 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OM97hM098479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM94ND098430; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM8vaA098362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-76.sonic.net [209.148.113.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OM8tvE017993 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:08:56 -0700 Message-ID: <435D5B88.3000609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:09:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea References: <003f01c5d86f$1185ad70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If possible I think it would be a really good idea for participants (or as many as feasible) to put up a little web page and just give the link to the coordinator. They can then list their ten favorite colors and their five allergies without increasing the coordinator's work load. In addition to the info contained on their regular website--presumably if someone's regular site has dress diaries for their Viking costumes people can figure out they like that era without being told much about that on the gift list. I'm talking a simple list here; but if, for example, someone morally objects to wearing fur, and also has no moral objection to animal fibers but is allergic to mohair only, just that gets too complicated for the "one dislike" slot on a list. And then they could just give the link to the coordinator. While it's kind of tacky for people to put so many requests and restrictions on gift lists that it's practically a mail order, most of us know by heart our various friends' and relations' allergies, favorite colors, etc., so the holiday season is just a matter of finding out what they want or need this year. Which is not true of a stranger. On the other hand, of course gift situations always involve the risk of getting or giving something unwanted and knowing it's the thought that counts. If people are worried about monetary value or gift-making time, we could just make it a "stash and duplicate tool/book/etc." gift exchange. Giving, of course, something in new condition that we really believe the recipient would want. Just the giver faced up to the fact that they themselves shouldn't wear that color fabric; or they somehow acquired two copies of a perfectly good book or DVD and one is still new; or they have several yards of lovely trim that it looks like they'll never use in their lifetime; that kind of thing. So people could give something perfectly nice without spending anything but postage. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carol Kocian wrote: >> Hi. >> I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? >> If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much >> helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? >> Bjarne > > > It's funny that some people are suggesting gift categories > without even getting a recipient! If Bjarne got a name of someone who > likes medieval, for example, he could go to a museum shop and get some > post cards of medieval paintings with costume. The person would > likely not be from the same country, and probably not be familiar with > those paintings. > > The idea of a $10 limit is that it's a token, and a cultural > exchange. Much as we admire each other's work, I would not expect > someone to make something that would sell for $50, even if it only > contained $5 worth of materials. Time is valuable too, and especially > close to the holidays when a lot of people are shopping for/making > gifts for family and friends already. > > I like the idea of several "clues" that someone suggested earlier > - besides time period(s), also a favorite color and animal, and maybe > another thing or two? Maybe one dislike, such as "nothing gray" or > "allergic to wool". > > Say somebody lists 5th century, red and dragons. The giver might > find a stack of postcards, or a red dragon figurine, or a yard of > white linen (which is not specific to any of the clues but a 5th > century person could use it). You may decide to shop, or you may have > the perfect thing ripening in your fabric & trim stash already. > > I think once names are distributed with their clues, a gift idea > will be obvious. And if not, perhaps some people with different eras > of interest could advise. > > It may be more complicated for the organizer, but if some people > are concerned about customs or postage perhaps they could specify > getting a name of someone in their own country. > > Great idea - take a chance! Where do we sign up? > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:13:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OMDvTs010543 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:13:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OMDakk098964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OMDad1001932; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9OMDWk6001812 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91170 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2005 22:13:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Cmd0LbN45u8Orizv99SY3u6h/UIoz4ODwQ/q08RDpXOG5VgShXRA/9l+E1984vQBPlEVzG7fw0/FAgLWmfKa61PknwVEsUVRcG2SjDqZm4ZM6TUDL7pc/IshQR92bzpvOkoFwHdHooaZYg+bCTWftsgy93lyLgyniR2Hx1so2s4= ; Message-ID: <20051024221326.91168.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:13:26 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510241800.j9OI0PxC095633@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: a holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That does sound like a wonderful idea. I have done this in years past on another list I belong to and even when it is an inexpensive item, shipping internationally can easily surpass the expense limit if it is not a small and light weight item. Shipping overseas from the U.S. should also happen within the next few weeks if anyone wants to guarantee a package arriving in time for the holidays without having to pay a higher postage rate. It does sound like great fun, but I'll have to nod out this year. Annette M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Bjarne, It wouldn't make a bit of difference what you sent, we would all die to get something you made! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:46:33 +0200 To: Subject: [h-cost] a holliday idea Hi. I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:39:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday gift To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <435D0E54.9020107@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Aslong as the value of the package is not more then 22 Euro you get no > charge. And the sender declares the value of the package, at least when shipping from the US. > > It would be a challenge to make someting from a period I don't know > much about. > But you don't necessarily have to make something. You could give someone a sewing tool or some trim or some dye or a pattern or a book, and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Fran Lavolta Press http;//www.lavoltapress.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Sounds fun. Count me in! Chris G. Dawn wrote: Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:40 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea Sounds like fun. I would like to join the gift exchange also. I can basically do anything from medieval to Elizabethan - along with some Victorian. Roscelin > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, > address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each > participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged > with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that > person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) > > > > Dawn > wet, windy and cold in KC > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:37:21 -0500 From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea >Hi. >I would like to participate in this also, but wouldnt there be problems? >If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much >helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? >Bjarne It's funny that some people are suggesting gift categories without even getting a recipient! If Bjarne got a name of someone who likes medieval, for example, he could go to a museum shop and get some post cards of medieval paintings with costume. The person would likely not be from the same country, and probably not be familiar with those paintings. The idea of a $10 limit is that it's a token, and a cultural exchange. Much as we admire each other's work, I would not expect someone to make something that would sell for $50, even if it only contained $5 worth of materials. Time is valuable too, and especially close to the holidays when a lot of people are shopping for/making gifts for family and friends already. I like the idea of several "clues" that someone suggested earlier - besides time period(s), also a favorite color and animal, and maybe another thing or two? Maybe one dislike, such as "nothing gray" or "allergic to wool". Say somebody lists 5th century, red and dragons. The giver might find a stack of postcards, or a red dragon figurine, or a yard of white linen (which is not specific to any of the clues but a 5th century person could use it). You may decide to shop, or you may have the perfect thing ripening in your fabric & trim stash already. I think once names are distributed with their clues, a gift idea will be obvious. And if not, perhaps some people with different eras of interest could advise. It may be more complicated for the organizer, but if some people are concerned about customs or postage perhaps they could specify getting a name of someone in their own country. Great idea - take a chance! Where do we sign up? -Carol --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:17:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OMHR9D010644 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:17:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OMGIou099347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OMGEZh003816; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9OMG4uY003638 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 29555 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2005 22:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO your-f78bf48ce2.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@70.248.101.114 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2005 22:15:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.0.20051024170049.02aa0c78@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:01:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea In-Reply-To: <20051024083850.20B5BC00@dm20.mta.everyone.net> References: <20051024083850.20B5BC00@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:38 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: >Bjarne, It wouldn't make a bit of difference what you sent, we would >all die to get something you made! Laugh Out Loud. That's for sure. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 18:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9OMjx1d011363 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9OMjQ2c002786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OMjOqj024328; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9OMjEjN024153 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14837 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:09:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:09:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea In-Reply-To: <435D5B88.3000609@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Lavolta Press wrote: > If people are worried about monetary value or gift-making time, we > could just make it a "stash and duplicate tool/book/etc." gift > exchange. Giving, of course, something in new condition that we > really believe the recipient would want. Just the giver faced up to > the fact that they themselves shouldn't wear that color fabric; or > they somehow acquired two copies of a perfectly good book or DVD and > one is still new; or they have several yards of lovely trim that it > looks like they'll never use in their lifetime; that kind of thing. So > people could give something perfectly nice without spending anything > but postage. I would like this very much. I have lots of great stuff I will never use, but someone else might love. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 19:34:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ONYTPK012559 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:34:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ONXtUa008096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ONXpTi053804; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ONXlJq053697 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:33:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:33:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002001c5d8d5$0ea81fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:33:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2005 23:33:44.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA468F0:01C5D8F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Just wondered, what will happen if a silk taffeta was dipped in cold > water? > Would it get spoiled? Spoiled no. But you'd probably lose some of the shine and crispness. It works well on any kind of silk I've tried (though I've never tied taffeta). Fix your dye with vinegar though, or use silk specific dye. You might also want to try with a little more than a "small" sample, something big enough to judge changes in the way fabric will drape, because that can change after the fabric got wet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 19:40:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ONed8K012720 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ONeHDL008995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ONeGg6057610; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ONeC5g057544 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c7.33e759c2 (15888) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d42 (mblk-d42.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.226]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e10435d70d2299; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:02 -0400 From: morses3@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7A70B63B9DF4C-AC4-1CD1@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.10.21.150 by mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.226) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:02 -0400 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.226 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Books on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm delurking to mention that I just listed several hard to find costume books on eBay that I just got at an estate sale (I had to buy them all to get the ones I wanted, the ones on eBay are outside of my area of interest). The easiest thing to do is a seller search for MAYFLOWER, they are all listed with "Buy it Now" prices, they are mostly related to 15th and 16th century costuming, but there is one about Regency costume and one about English chlidren's costume from 1300-1900..... Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 21:38:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P1cqhc015409 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:38:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P1cMaJ020845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:38:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1cFIC015990; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1cCf0015971 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.120.247.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.120.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EUDlS-0003qe-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <435D8C7C.9000905@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:38:04 -0700 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0542-4, 10/20/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn sign me up as well, and how much would I have to slip you to make sure that Bjarne is my gift exchange? Stephen - Only half Joking Dawn wrote: > Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I > envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their > name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). > Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then > charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it > to that person by Dec. 20th. > > I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) > > > > Dawn > wet, windy and cold in KC > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 21:51:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P1p84S015581 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:51:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P1oloT021996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1okK7021916; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1ogN5021855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EUDxE-00010Y-7l; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:50:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20051024205020.q2h2ze0qlda804ws@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:50:20 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea References: <102420051724.772.435D18D80002C7010000030422092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <102420051724.772.435D18D80002C7010000030422092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yeah. Put me down, too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 21:59:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P1xVAx015705 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:59:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P1x9Ml022790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1x8vE025865; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1x4tc025837 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-69-166-135.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.69.166.135]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4BA32C00D for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:59:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:58:45 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <003301c5d907$a8339b40$0600a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20051024205020.q2h2ze0qlda804ws@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Add me to the list! Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 21:59:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P1xnD9015708 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P1xZUH022840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1xYrg026106; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P1xW9t026093 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t9so285289wxc for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=C/6qqyVBRGofXqkKChc5Ejo6ywRBO8ZxKJlpzwkChlJ2sAhQwa2PQrBYhD3LFhqC7bQNAt4+3QfiN04R/RMCG1glQ+O5sjLhMR/iR1XWBwaEYLPRBpaWvJowAm+hIRQEyNYerfBUxbQk+qWamgEJAQ3omedOLkoIPmh58gU6QO4= Received: by 10.70.67.16 with SMTP id p16mr3973289wxa; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0510241859g68a102d7ia04b452afad11a45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:59:31 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Rick Rack In-Reply-To: <43591939.1090206@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200510210402.j9L42Pq9058536@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051021000147.030ca4e0@pop.radiks.net> <4.3.1.2.20051020230915.0325dc38@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051021020915.02e16030@mail.frys.com> <43591939.1090206@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9P1xnD9015708 Status: RO I'm coming late to this topic. I have several pairs of pillowcases made by my mother's aunt, probably late 1920s-40s. Three sets have designs based on rick-rack, all are crocheted. Only one set has white rick-rack; the other two are pink and blue respectively. Last year at a vintage clothing sale, I saw an early 1950s pattern for a short-sleeved blouse made entirely of rick-rack in straight lines - they went all around the body and were connected only at the tips of the rick to the rack above and below it. I bought another blouse pattern - late 1930s-early 40s - where the rick-rack was used like Battenberg lace, in swirls with the loopy stitches in between. The pattern is way too small for me but it was such a lovely piece that I thought at the time, yeah, sure, I'll rework that pattern and make it up some day. LynnD On 10/21/05, Lavolta Press wrote: > > The Victorians liked "fancy braids" to make tape laces, and lacy > crocheted, knitted, and tatted constructions. That's the sort of thing > rickrack and its variants (in terms of the depth and pointiness of the > "waves") seem to have been made for originally. > > I have seen a few original garments dating from circa 1880 to circa 1910 > with areas of rackrack lace (yokes, cuffs, whole bodices, wide hem > trims) that did not include any fancy stitches, but which merely had > rickrack sewn in patterns, held with ordinary (hand) whipstitches at the > points. I have an 1880s dress with rickrack wide cuffs and I think some > other sections somewhere in my collection, but I can't find it. The > rickrack was coiled into small circular medallions, and then the > medallions were sewn together. I've also seen it sewn together in > straight designs. It's really quite effective. People who expect > rickrack to be just a few rows machine sewed on a child's dress don't > recognize the rickrack in rickrack work for what it is. > > There are obvious geometric possibilities for small square medallions, > straight horizontal or vertical rows, square medallions, and so on. I'd > like to find some original Victorian and Edwardian patterns though. I > mail ordered a 1910s rickrack pattern booklet from a used bookseller > yesterday but I don't know what's in it yet. > > BTW, all the examples I've seen so far were white and were on "lingerie" > type dresses or wrappers. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > > >> I don't remember it in either my facsimile of Mrs. Beeton, or Therese > >> de Dillmont. > > > > > > Wave braid crocheted together is really big in the 1880s, after Mrs. > > Beeton's and M. Dillmont's time. Start looking for it then. > > > > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > > www.FunStuft.com > > > > //// \\\ > > ////-@@\\\ > > (((( 7 ))) > > ((( <> )))) > > ) (((((( > > /----\ /---\)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 22:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P2kHEa016349 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P2jJBl027735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P2jFkh047664; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P2jBml047618 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h31so263895wxd for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dgDHtFxLosvX5IG+3DOt4PDTtZCUpoffPiV+H26E3opcQj/uvZUvyRwmNz6/Hgdbe/Ar+KD0DUgFjCKkU7xo8XG531CDDcUXTmKQnlzfLA5qZWjI28MhLB1NQvImXq18r2PeMauXbfy+CiUB1wi+pebSCv4hLiJYiWDhQj6g1Ts= Received: by 10.70.102.12 with SMTP id z12mr3983871wxb; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0510241945n1b8739cal79e44690fb240e5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea In-Reply-To: <003301c5d907$a8339b40$0600a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051024205020.q2h2ze0qlda804ws@www.goldsword.com> <003301c5d907$a8339b40$0600a8c0@genteelarts> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9P2kHEa016349 Status: RO I'd love to be part of this exchange! LynnD On 10/24/05, Carolann Schmitt wrote: > > Add me to the list! > > Carolann Schmitt > cschmitt@genteelarts.com > www.genteelarts.com > Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 24 23:11:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P3Ben2016834 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P3BNc0030431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P3BKXQ059529; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P3BC8l059437 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006A93CEA3 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435DA283.1000300@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:12:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea - questions answered References: <435BE60A.4000403@reddawn.net> <1211.67.188.164.116.1130102805.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <435C1139.8040201@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051024084656.01de0000@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Right, well it looks like we have sufficient interest. :) I'll try to answer the questions folks have asked: > My only comment is are you going to limit it to the U.S. Anyone on the H-Cost list is invited. US and non-US members, men and women, and especially the new members and lurkers. If folks feel that shipping to a foreign country is troublesome, they have the option to ask for a US recipient, or of just not participating. >I would prefer that given the nature of the list, the gift be somehow >related to costume--a book, fabric, trimming, a pattern, a sewing tool That is the general idea of the exhange -- sewing, costume, or historical clothing related gifts to each other. And even then that's a pretty broad range of things. It could be something you make, or something you buy. There are any number of sewing related gift items this time of year. >Virtually everything sent from the U.S seems to incur a charge I have found, from my experience, that smaller and lighter packets are less likely to get noticed by Customs. Under a certain weight and it doesn't even require a customs form. YMMV. If folks overseas know their duty free limit, they should plan to put that it their description of themselves. > Not all of us celebrate the holidays in the same way (or for the same reasons) I've purposely left the "holiday" ambiguous. :) >If i get someone who has interrest in medieval, i would not be much helpfull, have never done any medieval and what then? You should have enough information about the person to be able to find something suitable for one of their interests. Use your best judgement. >I won't have time to make anything ... but I have a huge stash of fabrics, art postcards, trims, patterns, etc. that I'd be delighted to delve into, Purchased gifts would be fine. I didn't figure everyone would have the time or inclination to make something by hand, and probably many people would love to have trims or patterns related to their interests. > is it going to be like a lottery who we are going to send for? Yes, you will randomly get matched up with one person to send a gift to. And a different person will get your name to send a gift to you. So you will get to know two new H-Costumers. >how much would I have to slip you to make sure that Bjarne is my gift exchange? Ha! I was going to keep him for myself! :) Additional info; I will send out a formal invitation very soon. Folks will have about a week to sign up. After that I will take it off the H-cost list. I will email reminders to folks as the Dec 20 deadline approaches. People are on their own and are responsible for getting their gifts mailed on time. We have almost two months, and that should be enough for everyone. Please be sure when you sign up that you can follow through with your committment. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 01:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P5o1nP020943 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P5nJJ6044761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P5nDTm023975; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52210.mail.yahoo.com (web52210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9P5nBa4023919 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:49:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 51216 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 05:49:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l7H4CwSHjnx5fKEUGVZhY1HJW55nBY/VvzqGUz8EUldZK1NAb0O0GE01TfA9Q8l+hykFPRTbMmy+roP01p3I7gy5vpjuTGeVId43W+UXXTyNTLFFM7MgcRjuiP0tkOS3j9UJahVR7hznqMc4KeLSu6xucKcyduMScDy4UX2qUj0= ; Message-ID: <20051025054905.51214.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:49:05 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:49:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Books on eBay To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C7A70B63B9DF4C-AC4-1CD1@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looked couldn't find them are they only for sale in the USA?? Brin Kendall morses3@aol.com wrote: I'm delurking to mention that I just listed several hard to find costume books on eBay that I just got at an estate sale (I had to buy them all to get the ones I wanted, the ones on eBay are outside of my area of interest). The easiest thing to do is a seller search for MAYFLOWER, they are all listed with "Buy it Now" prices, they are mostly related to 15th and 16th century costuming, but there is one about Regency costume and one about English chlidren's costume from 1300-1900..... Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 03:59:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P7xQO3020578 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P7wSs2054025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P7wOmq076125; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P7wKPb076083 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f554d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.77]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B328262887 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:58:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c5d939$d67d8240$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:58:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] custom taxes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found, from my experience, that smaller and lighter packets are less likely to get noticed by Customs. Under a certain weight and it doesn't even require a customs form. YMMV. Some time back i had exchanged goods with people from an embroidery list. I sended purses, and in exchange i received silk embroidery threads. Went very well, without the custom. I had parcels from USA, New Zealand and Germany. They also had no problems with customs. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 05:25:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P9OxXl001578 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P9OQcw059771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P9OFWO009737; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9P9ODt0009660 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freyalynn@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7907 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 09:24:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0YW+HcXEHN7JVNfyq14HgQCrgCeEPL3EBYNESJ4aRgKR70ibKxJOw2n8iQt49QUJ5GYcPpJrPaON6jUEA/0ESpIqn8ft8SghZCebGbPuIKgiSCbTGZqsCEd8MKB2NwpV20aUg4mUnCW/957ISK8A6PQxmbP3BeWR6xkKwQKS4Xg= ; Message-ID: <20051025092408.7905.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.168.164] by web51309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:24:08 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510241531.j9OFUwqV066738@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Although I tend to lurk very quietly here, I'd love to join the holiday exchange. I'm in the UK, and have had very few problems sending and receiving stuff from the US via customs. Given that the value is will be clearly written on any customs slip as $10 or less, and a gift, we shouldn't be liable for anything. Of course, it's worth more to us and those that know what our time is worth, but we don't have to tell customs this! So count me in. Just a thought - should we say our strengths as well, so the organiser knows what we're likely to want to do. Tablet weaving, for example. Freyalyn, in Yorkshire, England. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 05:47:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9P9lAoI007814 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9P9kqLh061114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P9kowo017421; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9P9km18017373 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter20.comcast.net[204.127.197.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005102509464201400667j0e>; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:46:42 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:46:41 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:46:41 +0000 Message-Id: <102520050946.1361.435DFF010000395C0000055122069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I've done a few gowns out of 'regular' (as opposed to moire) taffeta for my eldest daughter, but not silk taffeta. I've discovered that with taffeta if I wash the whole thing in water (not in the washer or the whole thing is a wrinkled mess), it doesn't lose it's crispness or sheen in my eyes. But if you put just a bit of water on it (like in spot cleaning) the spot is visibly obvious and (I think) I've not figured out a way to get that spot out, once it's there. Even after washing it. My experiences with silk specifically, is with China silk, 'silk' velvet , raw silk and duponi. China Silk and Silk velvet washes up beautifully if carefully hand washed. Washing raw silk make the fabric 'stiffer'. Duponi loses it's sheen, becomes fairly stiff and loses it's resiliency for wear and tear. Just my <.02> worth... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > Just wondered, what will happen if a silk taffeta was dipped in cold water? > Would it get spoiled? > Thoaght about the water solluble solution for transfer of embroidering > pattern to silk. > I could try a small sampler, but thoaght some of you already tryed? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 06:12:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PACMIY012005 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:12:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PABr1C065859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PABoW6026384; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PABkiA026329 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.111.5594f5b8 (2519) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <111.5594f5b8.308f5ed5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:11:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: holiday idea To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I think the response is overwhelming. The list would like to give the gift exchange a try. May I respectfully suggest that we now let the organizer decide how she is going to do it, then await her instructions as to how we give her our information? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 07:58:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PBw3bD030149 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PBvavF085996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PBvP5g065860; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PBvMC9065823 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A30DAA0C45; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:15:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.4.12.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.4.12]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9925FA0BA4 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (I'm in, too.) It might be handy if, on the list of info we give about ourselves, we included our pattern size, because surely patterns are one of those things that most people have sitting around unused in their sewing stash. Or, since there are so many pattern sizing systems, especially when you're dealing with an international list, include some basic measurements. And along those lines, if you're male but go by a name that requires some knowledge of your period or culture if one wants to determine the gender, let us know! I don't remember running into that on this list, but on a few other lists I've assumed that someone whose email came from his Welsh persona name was female when he definitely wasn't. Embarrassing. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 09:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PD31qM031438 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:03:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PD2SBJ090311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PD2NY9094203; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PD2J7e094170 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f552c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.44]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A16E47FE08 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:02:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c5d964$53f72530$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:02:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my new suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have uploaded a picture of the silks i want to use on the new suit. First to the right is the ribbed silk, second is a silk taffeta wich is very close to the colour of the ribbed silk, wich i will make a border of each side of the jacket to embroider on. It is very difficult to embroider on the ribbed silk, so that is why i use the taffeta. Finally to the right is the dark grey silk taffeta for the waistcoat. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mixedsilksuit..htm Bjarme Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 09:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PDCUcx031643 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PDCAxH091170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PDC8dS098892; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PDC50K098821 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:11:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:11:42 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holiday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >how much would I have to slip you to make sure that Bjarne is my gift exchange? =========================== So how about if we *all* have Bjarne's name? And of course then he gets all of ours :)? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 09:36:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PDamkq032191 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PDaPQB095344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PDaKTv013003; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PDaEtj012948 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.50]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EUOyL-00007n-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: <7595557.1130247373790.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:36:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO These colors are wonderful together, Bjarne--and using the taffeta is very resourceful. Can't wait to see the finished suit! How is your wrist healing, by the way? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Oct 25, 2005 9:02 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] my new suit Hi, I have uploaded a picture of the silks i want to use on the new suit. First to the right is the ribbed silk, second is a silk taffeta wich is very close to the colour of the ribbed silk, wich i will make a border of each side of the jacket to embroider on. It is very difficult to embroider on the ribbed silk, so that is why i use the taffeta. Finally to the right is the dark grey silk taffeta for the waistcoat. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mixedsilksuit..htm Bjarme Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 10:19:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PEJMpp000903 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PEIq9j003021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PEIpZc041569; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PEIkYh041499 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18123 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:18:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 19th Century Fashion in Detail Thread-Index: AcXZKABhYV1lMegISn6aJCpAcbE2jwARO04g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9PEIkYh041499 Cc: "Abel, Cynthia" Subject: [h-cost] 19th Century Fashion in Detail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got 19th Century Fashion in Detail by Lucy Johnston from Amazon.com and it is worth every penny. For those of us on the U.S. side of the pond, it is a companion volume to Fashion in Detail(17th and 18th centuries)and the photographed fashions(from the V&A collections)are every bit as drool worthy. The format is the same as the previous book and the World Fashion in Detail(I don't own both have seen this one): The left-hand page has a complete description and line drawing of an entire garmet or garmets. The right hand side of the page has a stunning full-color view of a detail and sometimes the entire garment or garments. The book covers men's and women's fashions, including shoes. It is divided into the usual sections like the other books that are a little offbeat as it is subjects, not strictly chronological. On the cover is a stunning magenta bustle dress of the mid 1870's that lovers of the bustle era will itch to copy. The dress is actually three pieces with two separate bodices which was pretty common among surviving dresses of the last half of the 19th c, and has both a back view of one bodice and a side view of the entire ensemble. One bodice is for day and the other a dinner(not short sleeved formal ball)bodice. Get this as a Christmas gift for self or a friend who loves beautiful surviving fashions. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 10:28:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PEStuN001064 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PESY21004505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PESXmf047731; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PESSsQ047627 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.27.7ce604f9 (4380) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27.7ce604f9.308f9b01@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:28:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/25/2005 5:47:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net writes: Duponi loses it's sheen, becomes fairly stiff and loses it's resiliency for wear and tear. I dyed down a dark with white stripes [to tone down the contrast] dupioni in HOT water in the machine and it looked exactly the same when it came out....but now had a soft hand. Mind you it wasn't particularly shiny to start with. Made an early 1840s gown out of it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 10:44:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PEiJGS001309 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PEhkkV006340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PEhj7f058131; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PEhfKb058045 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7a.7ea47a23 (4380) for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.7ea47a23.308f9e90@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lov-er-ly! I was just thinking....it's important, I think, to make sure somehow that the appliqued embroidery looks, without a doubt, that it was MEANT to be appliqued. Y'know what I mean? I'm not sure how this can be achieved, but somehow the applique process must be part of the embroidery process too. Maybe some element, leaves or fruit or something, can be the quilted taffeta. Or appliqued lace is also incorporated. [I don't mean to design things for you, I'm just thinking out loud] In "Fashion in Detail" somewhere is some embroidery on a waistcoat that is made up of multiple techniques....an appliqued lace with embroidery over it and sequins or something like that. Am I making sense? I just don't want someone to look at your suit and think "Oh he took the embroidery off a bed hanging and applied it to the coat." It must look like it was meant to be appliqued from the start. Then of course you have to do it to the waistcoat. :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 11:28:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PFSq7N002465 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PFS6Gl011400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PFS1Ss090982; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9PF91lb075833 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38961 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 15:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tkca8JEELiUY7pcIjf71rXyoLLwIkzkq83alDFs3COespqPrUILIN+mKayvTOEMBtDrS/L2nfUFYQ9+eGzr1YwKICOhwo7X0M3EcjE0+GQ3Yx8hQPu4gKEqXMNDxNjg73BNkQeQ1A4TikAr+NS79CpJfBBKGtAn1XRrqqBkmSRU= ; Message-ID: <20051025150855.38959.qmail@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:08:55 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510251012.j9PAC6WG026474@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holiday gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Add me to the list too. I love to give gifts and I love to receive gifts, greedy thing that I am. And even a ribbon from ANY period would be a treat! Mia in Charlotte NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 12:01:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PG1TfV003452 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:01:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PE6R0i000801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PE6NjP032307; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PE6HLi032240 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199F640093 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.1c6bd for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDXjvYDa7OlgIAAAAB,0cfa5b8ae538c04a910d35ed9b207531 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.73] Message-Id: <20051025070617.20B4B673@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And just one other note - don't wad the fabric up. Every crease will be permanent. Good luck! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" wrote: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:33:43 -0400 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] dipping silk in cold water > Just wondered, what will happen if a silk taffeta was dipped in cold > water? > Would it get spoiled? Spoiled no. But you'd probably lose some of the shine and crispness. It works well on any kind of silk I've tried (though I've never tied taffeta). Fix your dye with vinegar though, or use silk specific dye. You might also want to try with a little more than a "small" sample, something big enough to judge changes in the way fabric will drape, because that can change after the fabric got wet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 12:38:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PGc93f004370 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:38:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PGb6EB019924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PGaxDi046988; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PGars0046894 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m40.in-tch.com [216.166.191.40]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9PGTiM21902 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003a01c5d983$36cd6220$28bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5d964$53f72530$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooh, Bjarne, they look just yummy! What kind of colors will you be using for the embroidery? --Sue, thinking Bjarne must be the best dressed guy in Denmark.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] my new suit > Hi, > I have uploaded a picture of the silks i want to use on the new suit. First > to the right is the ribbed silk, second is a silk taffeta wich is very close > to the colour of the ribbed silk, wich i will make a border of each side of > the jacket to embroider on. It is very difficult to embroider on the ribbed > silk, so that is why i use the taffeta. Finally to the right is the dark > grey silk taffeta for the waistcoat. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mixedsilksuit..htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 14:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PIKORA007017 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:20:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PIJSWJ034080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIJOFB032480; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9PIJKvO032373 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35711 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 18:19:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xLmT2/NSUWUQi+IuowJZ6oPKOS+kdY7djizB/uDKZCr3T08uo3sX42KcOdK/HfT+Uw34Ep8Oo6hCF50kZDkdd/T79H4S6Cik5obGaYps+8sEqiOz1lgry+4UkQ4vKQaRu9GHiHxdg9+6yfQ5OljYOscLRhnF5ObfOwKvymNtLxM= ; Message-ID: <20051025181914.35709.qmail@web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:19:14 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051024205020.q2h2ze0qlda804ws@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would like to be part too. Tania "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: Oh, yeah. Put me down, too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 14:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PIjpGh007643 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PIeKe1036537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIeEYs049240; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIe6d7049122 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB503C849 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <435E7C42.60303@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:41:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends November 1st. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 14:45:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PIjrfF007646 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PIjUPN037487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIjRvO053450; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIjFd5053306 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24724.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.36]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 18BC25EE056 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:45:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c5d994$3ec014d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7a.7ea47a23.308f9e90@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:45:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yes i know exactly what you have in mind, have ben thinking about adding a fine mesh tulle into the taffeta and make an embroidered border of a ribbon between the ribbed and the taffeta. I am making embroidery drafts in the evenings. Also got a box full of hand twisted Mulberry silk threads, wich i want to use for the embroidery, together sith flosses from Eterna and Scallamandre. And and and, also tiny tiny silver spangels from Hedgehog. But i force myself to work on the chenille dress, and i have made quite a progress, finished all the embroidery and are sewing on the bullion trimmings. I wont start the embroidery of this jacket untill i have finnished thisdress. Ill post some pictures of the yellow dress soon. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit > Lov-er-ly! > > I was just thinking....it's important, I think, to make sure somehow that > the appliqued embroidery looks, without a doubt, that it was MEANT to be > appliqued. > > Y'know what I mean? > > I'm not sure how this can be achieved, but somehow the applique process > must > be part of the embroidery process too. Maybe some element, leaves or fruit > or something, can be the quilted taffeta. Or appliqued lace is also > incorporated. [I don't mean to design things for you, I'm just thinking > out loud] > > In "Fashion in Detail" somewhere is some embroidery on a waistcoat that > is > made up of multiple techniques....an appliqued lace with embroidery over > it > and sequins or something like that. > > Am I making sense? I just don't want someone to look at your suit and > think > "Oh he took the embroidery off a bed hanging and applied it to the coat." > It > must look like it was meant to be appliqued from the start. > > Then of course you have to do it to the waistcoat. :-P > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 14:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PImrBU007717 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:48:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PImDri037821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PImCVE055813; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PIm7IY055743 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24724.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.36]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 21BBE2628F5 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:48:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c5d994$aa91db80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5d964$53f72530$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003a01c5d983$36cd6220$28bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:48:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, I am forceing myself to work on the stumpwork dress, it must be made first. But i have gotten a box full of wonderfull collours from Mulberry silk and ill post pictures soon. My every day clothes are not worth writing about, i dont give a damn about how i look, as long as it is clean clothes, i am happy. Bjarne Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit > Oooh, Bjarne, they look just yummy! What kind of colors will you be using > for the embroidery? > --Sue, thinking Bjarne must be the best dressed guy in Denmark.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:02 AM > Subject: [h-cost] my new suit > > >> Hi, >> I have uploaded a picture of the silks i want to use on the new suit. > First >> to the right is the ribbed silk, second is a silk taffeta wich is very > close >> to the colour of the ribbed silk, wich i will make a border of each side > of >> the jacket to embroider on. It is very difficult to embroider on the > ribbed >> silk, so that is why i use the taffeta. Finally to the right is the dark >> grey silk taffeta for the waistcoat. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mixedsilksuit..htm > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 16:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PKblbQ010516 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PKYb6V050246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PKOp2D034888; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PKOjCW034785 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.120.222.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.120.222] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EUVLf-00061O-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: <435E9485.20603@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:24:37 -0700 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0543-1, 10/25/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Male or Female Name Was :a holliday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Trust me it does not have to be any place but the good old USA for there to be problems. I am Stephen on most list, Red Bear on others. And I still get people who think I must be a Stephenie, just because I am into clothes. They have been rather surprised to find out that I am 6' 2" tall with a 53" chest, and a full red beard. So for the record I am male, so is Bjarne, and what Teddy is, if he were still on the list is up for grabs. GRIN Stephen E House wrote: > (I'm in, too.) > > And along those lines, if you're male but go by a name that requires > some knowledge of your period or culture if one wants to determine the > gender, let us know! I don't remember running into that on this list, > but on a few other lists I've assumed that someone whose email came > from his Welsh persona name was female when he definitely wasn't. > Embarrassing. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 16:49:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PKn7Ct010828 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PKmfif051798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PKmbbl053321; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PKmWX3053247 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 469E91BCC65; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:48:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.31.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.31]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D4CD71BCA1F for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <09d901c5d9a5$1cc32730$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <435E9485.20603@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Male or Female Name Was :a holliday idea Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red Bear" > Trust me it does not have to be any place but the good old USA for there > to be problems. I am Stephen on most list, Red Bear on others. And I > still get people who think I must be a Stephenie, just because I am into > clothes. They have been rather surprised to find out that I am 6' 2" tall > with a 53" chest, and a full red beard. Good point! With Stephen I'd never have thought Stephenie, but with Red Bear I'd have played the odds and guessed wrong. I always go by my first initial, so most people guess I'm male (I'm not) until I've posted a few times. (Nice to have you on the list, by the way. There's a whole lot more garb guys out there than are represented on this list; wish we had more.) -E(lena) House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 18:00:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9PM0G4q012757 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9PLxd6i060250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9PLxZQR013747; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9PLxNa7013566 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70688 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2005 21:59:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0622O/kugXIrfFDPWbln8ZmyHHps3q5J3ceAVai/SntXWQtG1qOj4syjaDqmO9AiTTVjU13L0zvwTOpMaPnz2vBREcVRC7FA8fNUrI7FA8H/BUkAoUZBwNtfGT1EAyruEMIK4LBqybrUK0liJ2ZoOviB1Vw73nF7VNh6oMKpmZ4= ; Message-ID: <20051025215917.70686.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:59:17 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510251800.j9PI0G1g017015@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: my new suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ohh! Those colors look absolutely gorgeous together! Annette M Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:02:17 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] my new suit Hi, I have uploaded a picture of the silks i want to use on the new suit. First to the right is the ribbed silk, second is a silk taffeta wich is very close to the colour of the ribbed silk, wich i will make a border of each side of the jacket to embroider on. It is very difficult to embroider on the ribbed silk, so that is why i use the taffeta. Finally to the right is the dark grey silk taffeta for the waistcoat. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mixedsilksuit..htm Bjarme Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:28 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Lov-er-ly! I was just thinking....it's important, I think, to make sure somehow that the appliqued embroidery looks, without a doubt, that it was MEANT to be appliqued. Y'know what I mean? I'm not sure how this can be achieved, but somehow the applique process must be part of the embroidery process too. Maybe some element, leaves or fruit or something, can be the quilted taffeta. Or appliqued lace is also incorporated. [I don't mean to design things for you, I'm just thinking out loud] In "Fashion in Detail" somewhere is some embroidery on a waistcoat that is made up of multiple techniques....an appliqued lace with embroidery over it and sequins or something like that. Am I making sense? I just don't want someone to look at your suit and think "Oh he took the embroidery off a bed hanging and applied it to the coat." It must look like it was meant to be appliqued from the start. Then of course you have to do it to the waistcoat. :-P ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:21 -0600 From: "Sue Clemenger" Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new suit Oooh, Bjarne, they look just yummy! What kind of colors will you be using for the embroidery? --Sue, thinking Bjarne must be the best dressed guy in Denmark.... --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 25 20:39:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9Q0dI9P017834 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9Q0cZQo086336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q0cT97018953; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52810.mail.yahoo.com (web52810.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9Q0cRd2018884 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82923 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 00:38:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=szrFbjirbFElx5csjnnT/sEEFPpTK3bOdVoe+Ofm/dJNdgWqrPD7tKpoHUtLkNFJPeru6QNguzM+I0yFaE9jRGDQGeNX5d1zNYRfmLTaklwGQ7mlQXVSawKQkv5oSssppi+9q/5HWsAmznRyrTbRpgI2GrBsGA8ggrmvXOQlBws= ; Message-ID: <20051026003822.82921.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:38:21 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] leg o' mutton sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please forgive me if this comes through twice! Since there was a recent discussion on the list about leg o' mutton sleeves, I thought you might be interested in seeing this lovely example currently on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1&Item=8344957062 I was suprised to see in the back view that the puff is joined to a second, flat piece, rather than being puffed all the way around (showing my ignorance, I'm sure). I think of that more as men's tailoring, so it was interesting to me to see it applied here. KP --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] update of chenille dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Uploaded 3 more photos of the stumpwork dress. Desided to discharge the ruffled edge that i made in the drawing, on top of the border of the underskirt. Two much. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm Bjarne who now adds the small chenille flowers to the edge of the underskirt. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 05:55:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9Q9tCSY011825 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:55:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9Q9svqT036762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q9stKY086854; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q9sp5L086793 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.c68d166 (4410) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.c68d166.3090ac64@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/26/2005 5:43:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Uploaded 3 more photos of the stumpwork dress. All I can say is, GASSSPPPP!!!!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 05:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9Q9vHnX012046 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9Q9uxs8036943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q9uxXO087617; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q9ut0T087558 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B53193CB for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:56:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:56:53 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am looking for a pattern for something small to embroider from around 1885. Something like a purse. 10 December I will have a Anton Piek (Dutch painter) reenactment event in Haarlem(Netherlands). And I am looking for something to embroider while sitting in front of a window. So it schouldn't be too small to see but small enough for me to finisch in not to much time and easy to transport. I will be wearing this dress http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Any help will be greatly appriciated. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 06:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QABtdq014573 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QABVfe037659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QABS8Y093921; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9QABN5m093848 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 15362 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 10:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 10:11:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051026110627.01d01890@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 In-Reply-To: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:56 26/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am looking for a pattern for something small to embroider from around >1885. >Something like a purse. >10 December I will have a Anton Piek (Dutch painter) reenactment event >in Haarlem(Netherlands). >And I am looking for something to embroider while sitting in front of a >window. >So it schouldn't be too small to see but small enough for me to finisch >in not to much time and easy to transport. >I will be wearing this dress >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html Have you done any Bargello work? You can make needle cases and scissors cases from bargello, and it is easy to [ick up where you left off of someone is talking to you. Also it is easy to explain to the public if they ask. Search for Bargello patterns or Florentine work.Look here for starters. http://www.bayrose.org/needlework/Bargello_patterns.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 06:53:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QArmxg027295 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:53:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QArMoo040811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QArJpS010166; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9Q77M4u019779 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DE8A262885 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:07:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] helpfull tool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yesterday i was chasing a new working lamp as my old one had broken. I was going trough the most of the city, On my way i went into a drawing shop and found a nice devise i can use for my costume work. It is made by a firm called Linex, it is a long green rubber stick wich is bendable to make curves. This is ideal for instance for when you are going to make a chemise that is going to have the same cut as the stays. You just outline your nedkline of the stays with this stick, while they are sitting on your dress stand, and voila you have the cut for the chemises neckline. I also found a nice templet for small cirkles in a lot of sizes to use when i make embroidery patterns. I got my lamp in the end, a nice magnifying lamp, and i found out that a light table, is affordable. (must wish this for christmass) Finally i found a solution to transfer my embroidery pattern onto the dark grey silk taffeta. I just draw the pattern reversed and stick it to the wrong side of the taffeta, and then i make small stitches with a contrasting collour thread. This way i get a fine trace to work from. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 06:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QAsEif027387 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QAs0t2040886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QAs0Y7010551; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QAJgor097047 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.198]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D6B45EE094 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004901c5da16$c767c710$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:19:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Also Petite point was very popular to make. A rose motif would not be difficult to find for a purse embroidery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 > Hi, > > I am looking for a pattern for something small to embroider from around > 1885. > Something like a purse. > 10 December I will have a Anton Piek (Dutch painter) reenactment event > in Haarlem(Netherlands). > And I am looking for something to embroider while sitting in front of a > window. > So it schouldn't be too small to see but small enough for me to finisch > in not to much time and easy to transport. > I will be wearing this dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Any help will be greatly appriciated. > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 06:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QAtNmV027605 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:55:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QAt9wX041000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QAt86m011034; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QAt4mp010961 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051026105458.BOLV3914.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:54:58 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.188.54]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051026105458.INCZ2587.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:54:58 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.361 [267.12.5/149]); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:55:01 +1300 Message-ID: <001f01c5da1b$b68ec830$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c5da11$9cd7e160$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:55:00 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Uploaded 3 more photos of the stumpwork dress. > Desided to discharge the ruffled edge that i made in the drawing, on top of > the border of the underskirt. Two much. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > Bjarne who now adds the small chenille flowers to the edge of the > underskirt. That is simply exquisite. The stays are also just so lovely. I really must stop being tempted by the 18thC you know;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 25/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 07:06:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QB6k4L028942 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QB6RAv042002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QB6QM4015946; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QB6LWT015910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-33-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.33]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j9QB6IW6015175 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:06:19 +1000 Message-ID: <000801c5da1d$48ce3ef0$21d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:34:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holliday idea > (I'm in, too.) > > It might be handy if, on the list of info we give about ourselves, we > included our pattern size, because surely patterns are one of those things > that most people have sitting around unused in their sewing stash. Or, > since there are so many pattern sizing systems, especially when you're > dealing with an international list, include some basic measurements. perhaps you could use the pattern sizing system from the big 3 as a standardised set of measurements, they have a chart of measurements on their website (and they are apparently standardized between the 3 companies). This sounds like a nice idea and hopefully I'll be able to join another year, (this year I should just about manage to afford presents for my family and 1 or 2 friends but only a couple of my closest friends will be getting anything more than a card). Maybe we could consider matching up people in the same area as fitting assistants as a holliday gift, that's what I need most, somebody to help me fit a pair of bias cut hose as you just can't do it on yourself (bending down to do it changes the shape) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 08:25:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QCPLp6031729 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QCOhEg058752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QCOeTE049086; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QCOab9049010 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A57D0190; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:24:29 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 26 Oct 05 12:24:24 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c5da28$b9792b00$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:06 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For a similar occasion, I set myself a pair of slipper tops of velvet mounted on muslin. I worked popular 19thC motifs with a selection of various threads. The finished tops were then later finished with lightweight leather. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 > Hi, > > I am looking for a pattern for something small to embroider from around > 1885. > Something like a purse. > 10 December I will have a Anton Piek (Dutch painter) reenactment event > in Haarlem(Netherlands). > And I am looking for something to embroider while sitting in front of a > window. > So it schouldn't be too small to see but small enough for me to finisch > in not to much time and easy to transport. > I will be wearing this dress > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Bustle/Bustle.html > > Any help will be greatly appriciated. > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 09:33:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QDXFYa000585 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:33:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QDWe7X068633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QDWahx080704; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QDWWau080668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.219] (pool180-219.patriot.net [209.249.180.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9QDWJqq003158 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:32:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c5da1d$48ce3ef0$21d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000801c5da1d$48ce3ef0$21d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:30:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fitting buddies, was a holliday idea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth, Rather than making it part of the holiday thing, you could just ask for someone in your area who can help fit! I'm lucky to live in a big city, so other sewing enthusiasts are not difficult for me to find. One of the most helpful friends I had help was someone who felt she did not know much about sewing. Because of that, she would do exactly what I asked. Sometimes it's a matter of finding someone who is interested in learning or working with that particular historic process rather than knowing modern fitting techniques. The help may be closer than you think - someone in your reenactment group, perhaps? It may go slower than with someone who is an experienced hose maker, but still the end result of hose that fit! As far as giving patterns, isn't there an exchange/sell list for h-costume members? Patterns would be even harder to find the right recipient with a random drawing for exchange. Fabrics, trims, books, notions - they can be used by everyone. Besides size, there are different skill and authenticity levels in patterns. The exchange list may be the best way to find someone who will find a pattern useful. -Carol >perhaps you could use the pattern sizing system from the big 3 as a >standardised set of measurements, they have a chart of measurements >on their website (and they are apparently standardized between the 3 >companies). This sounds like a nice idea and hopefully I'll be able >to join another year, (this year I should just about manage to >afford presents for my family and 1 or 2 friends but only a couple >of my closest friends will be getting anything more than a card). >Maybe we could consider matching up people in the same area as >fitting assistants as a holliday gift, that's what I need most, >somebody to help me fit a pair of bias cut hose as you just can't do >it on yourself (bending down to do it changes the shape) >Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 10:10:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QEAoaJ001486 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QEAQNQ072427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QEAKe4003284; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QEA7Ch003086 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:10:01 -0700 Message-ID: <435F8E71.3020405@msn.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:10:57 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 14:10:01.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4917630:01C5DA36] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not that I know anything about the regency period, but it looks great to me! I also like your short "lessons learned" here. It makes the project even more interesting to hear your thoughts on it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 10:29:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QETU3o001923 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QESnW9074698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QESmX3015745; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9QESiwB015643 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19443 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 14:28:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NFBIiC0YMmplX2IFo33uniOcj9qvgnAyJkkAWgka2AzynY9TOfnuvm6fKSiuIOtUZaiH42xx57/3Ra1yUMdCbeP8CRHXgXAmTN+98l3WTTOV6Y0WRHORZA3xis2Yk/mxGw8bs68XDb79tTVl3zaKHGyyKFB/FK9v+vTqUHzxQfg= ; Message-ID: <20051026142838.19441.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:28:37 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001f01c5da1b$b68ec830$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO STUNNING work as always Bjarne. Thank you so much for sharing! Best of Regards, Chris G. michaela wrote: > Uploaded 3 more photos of the stumpwork dress. > Desided to discharge the ruffled edge that i made in the drawing, on top of > the border of the underskirt. Two much. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > Bjarne who now adds the small chenille flowers to the edge of the > underskirt. That is simply exquisite. The stays are also just so lovely. I really must stop being tempted by the 18thC you know;) --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 10:39:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QEd8YJ002124 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QEcXo1075792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QEcUYG022035; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9QEcPkp021906 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBX9FE9AQ5LPN2 for (sender ); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K79CTSJ8; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:36:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:28:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress Message-ID: <20051026.092813.-104371199.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1726882927 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72gXt20GX0PJ9dQAv+WY71bqhNCziOEEGQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The dress is gorgeous!!! The corset alone is just to die for! Wow! Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 10:53:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QErftU002482 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:53:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QErHai077291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QErFBq032095; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9QErBL0031986 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 2564 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2005 14:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 14:53:05 -0000 Message-ID: <435F9854.4090406@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:53:08 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool References: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Yesterday i was chasing a new working lamp as my old one had broken. I > was going trough the most of the city, > On my way i went into a drawing shop and found a nice devise i can use > for my costume work. > It is made by a firm called Linex, it is a long green rubber stick wich > is bendable to make curves. > This is ideal for instance for when you are going to make a chemise > that is going to have the same cut as the stays. You just outline your > nedkline of the stays with this stick, while they are sitting on your > dress stand, and voila you have the cut for the chemises neckline. I have one of those, mine has a ruler built into it. It is very useful, although I wish it was longer than 12 inches. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 10:56:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QEuBTv002531 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:56:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QEtrx6077539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QEtqA4033941; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QEtlA9033801 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter75.comcast.net[204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005102614554801300b0o4ie>; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:55:48 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:55:46 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:55:46 +0000 Message-Id: <102620051455.22275.435F98F200061E330000570322064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stunning! Excuse me, I've got to wipe the drool off my keyboard now.... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > Uploaded 3 more photos of the stumpwork dress. > Desided to discharge the ruffled edge that i made in the drawing, on top of > the border of the underskirt. Two much. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > Bjarne who now adds the small chenille flowers to the edge of the > underskirt. > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 11:00:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QF0WLu002630 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QF0BjD078094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QF09pK037062; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QF03cY036863 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.146.4fa84518 (3657) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <146.4fa84518.3090f3e2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:59:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/26/2005 5:44:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Desided to discharge the ruffled edge that i made in the drawing, on top of the border of the underskirt. Two much. I disagree.....but it's your dress.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 11:14:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QFEk80002880 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:14:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QFEQd7079712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QFEOkp047745; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QFELFU047641 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: <435F9D80.9030508@msn.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:15:12 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress References: <146.4fa84518.3090f3e2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <146.4fa84518.3090f3e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 15:14:16.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE205BA0:01C5DA3F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yay yay yay yay yay....oh my! The stays alone are to die for. I love yellow...just wish I could wear it...makes me look dead! Who is this being done for? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 11:56:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QFugN8003798 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QFtn5u085189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QFthCe080906; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QFtcIZ080833 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55db.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.219]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98B235EE0A9 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:55:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000401c5da45$b24593b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <146.4fa84518.3090f3e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:55:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace, It is made for a young New York´er girl. I have it like this also, yellow is not my collour, get paler by it. But it is a very nice yellow. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress > Yay yay yay yay yay....oh my! The stays alone are to die for. I love > yellow...just wish I could wear it...makes me look dead! > > Who is this being done for? > > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 12:07:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QG79IQ004005 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:07:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QG6aex086874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QG6VIg090014; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QG6NmO089892 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=SfLfuqidg5Pc3QsZS4XyDoLbOZCblJ9GZqU3nTTj6wnqad+V9j7rRI+fWWNA2vK6; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.152] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EUnnC-0005H1-Ew for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c5da47$32a5b160$98159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c5da11$9cd7e160$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] update of chenille dress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:06:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b03b02ffcfe36bb418f2cf02ed8934eaf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.152 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just amazing. Thank you for sharing pictures of your incredible work. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 12:45:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QGjbpN004776 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QGj9Wr091694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QGj5ik022791; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QGj21S022725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-79.sonic.net [209.148.113.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QGixFh027881 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: <435FB283.4090506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:44:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool References: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <435F9854.4090406@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <435F9854.4090406@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They are called spline curves, and you can get them in a number of lengths at big art stores, including lengths over 12 inches. Not necessarily with a ruler built in though. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> It is made by a firm called Linex, it is a long green rubber stick >> wich is bendable to make curves. >> This is ideal for instance for when you are going to make a chemise >> that is going to have the same cut as the stays. You just outline >> your nedkline of the stays with this stick, while they are sitting on >> your dress stand, and voila you have the cut for the chemises neckline. > > > I have one of those, mine has a ruler built into it. It is very > useful, although I wish it was longer than 12 inches. > > l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 13:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QH393A005114 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:03:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QH2UlP093685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QH2Ov6036814; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QH2JL6036718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-79.sonic.net [209.148.113.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QH2Gql003581 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:02:17 -0700 Message-ID: <435FB69B.3000800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:02:19 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for pattern to embroider 1885 References: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051026095649.727B53193CB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO _Fashions of the Gilded Age_ includes 31 embroidery patterns from 1877 through 1882, including many borders for both dresses and lingerie (you can do as much length as you like), chemises, collars, cravats, slippers, a satchel, a parasol, and a dress and a jacket pattern, each including embroidery for that garment. Except for the dress and the jacket, most of the embroidery patterns are in Volume 2. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a pattern for something small to embroider from around > 1885. > Something like a purse. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 13:19:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QHJG0P005486 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QHIoHh096411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QHIjg1051613; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QHIXeN051429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9QHBdjf008645 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <435FBA65.8040201@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:18:29 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool References: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <435F9854.4090406@fenris.net> <435FB283.4090506@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <435FB283.4090506@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > They are called spline curves, and you can get them in a number of > lengths at big art stores, including lengths over 12 inches. Not > necessarily with a ruler built in though. This is a job for Felt-tipped Marker Woman! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 16:43:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QKhpqT009564 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:43:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QKhAwP025018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QKh4B7021355; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QKh0Xi021170 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.123]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051026204251.KHQA1005.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001c5da6e$e8125360$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><435F9854.4090406@fenris.net> <435FB283.4090506@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:50:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They are also called, for some strange reason,'Bendable Curves'. :-) They can be found in any art store, drafting supply or even places like Office Depot or Staples. I steal my husbands on a pretty regular basis... Sheridan > They are called spline curves, and you can get them in a number of > lengths at big art stores, including lengths over 12 inches. Not > necessarily with a ruler built in though. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > >> > >> It is made by a firm called Linex, it is a long green rubber stick > >> wich is bendable to make curves. > >> This is ideal for instance for when you are going to make a chemise > >> that is going to have the same cut as the stays. You just outline > >> your nedkline of the stays with this stick, while they are sitting on > >> your dress stand, and voila you have the cut for the chemises neckline. > > > > > > I have one of those, mine has a ruler built into it. It is very > > useful, although I wish it was longer than 12 inches. > > > > l > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 17:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QL5cqO010193 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:05:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QL4hrA028118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QKqQro028820; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from perdition4.onetel.net.uk (perdition4.onetel.net.uk [212.67.120.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9CBwNAM082902 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MelanieWilson@dragonflight.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13703 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 11:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO your1p37d9kihs) (84.43.96.99) by perd4 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 11:07:58 -0000 Message-ID: <013701c5cf24$824f8930$4101a8c0@your1p37d9kihs> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:00:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:52:17 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New UK re-enactors recycling list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Re-enactors_recycle/ Is a new list set up for re-enactors to freely offer goods that are no longer required, for example you have outgrown stuff or changed periods, or made a better version. Items may not be sold. But reasonable postage can be asked for, but a sae is prefered, as most people will not be close to one another. Please pass the message to any other re-enactors or living history folk who might be interested Thanks Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the contents of this e-mail or any of its attachments without express consent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 17:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QLkgvM011562 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QLk9Ib033443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QLk4HF070467; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QLjvMU070356 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9QLkMhN028659 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:46:22 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.174] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-174.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.174]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QLjisQ055146 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051026142323.026ae540@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:26:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting buddies, was a holliday idea In-Reply-To: References: <000801c5da1d$48ce3ef0$21d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <09ae01c5d95b$89c72bf0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000801c5da1d$48ce3ef0$21d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > One of the most helpful friends I had help was someone who felt she > did not know much about sewing. Because of that, she would do exactly > what I asked. Sometimes it's a matter of finding someone who is > interested in learning or working with that particular historic process > rather than knowing modern fitting techniques. I found someone like that in 1980, and now she's really good at it. Then she moved 5 hours away, and we have to save our fittings up for the times we see each other. By now we know each other's fitting problems, and centuries, and what to do about it. She learned quite a lot, and, actually, so did I. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 18:39:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9QMdoBH012653 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9QMdWBw040421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9QMdUcl010949; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:39:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51314.mail.yahoo.com (web51314.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.124]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9QMdRsv010861 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2791 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2005 22:39:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dutrae9zjK0qGspap+W5cryeOe3Yr77QC42VqxbP/HJ6jzaJ+Djjeq80zKpv9bTfSOZHIt6rJ8REyu566N+hluMk109uoQDS/aaYiIvKKg5Hzqvfo7XrJU2ndUAyNtU6ShHaD8ffjYgSbwacsmCM9Hmvr4EkEvakcWlUPOhPxzQ= ; Message-ID: <20051026223922.2789.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.27] by web51314.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:39:21 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00e001c5da6e$e8125360$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bendable as opposed to a set of French curves, which are fixed. Very very useful device--I took the back curve of a doll with the flexible curve, and had very minor fitting to make a first draft dress fit well on her. Ann in CT --- Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > They are also called, for some strange > reason,'Bendable Curves'. :-) > They can be found in any art store, drafting supply > or even places like > Office Depot or Staples. I steal my husbands on a > pretty regular basis... > > Sheridan > > > They are called spline curves, Not > > necessarily with a ruler built in though. > > > > Fran __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 20:42:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9R0gX0m015036 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9R0g0xB056846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R0fo7f083396; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R0fkvP083362 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FECD4929B; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:30 -0700 To: BeyondThePaleRPG@yahoogroups.com, isleofmannca@yahoogroups.com, CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Just wanted to share the news. The Small family welcome their newest little addition. Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, 2 oz, 19" long. Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right before. I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Kimiko Small Proud Mama. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 20:44:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9R0iocA015082 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9R0iYjY057205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R0iYAE084879; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R0iVBb084810 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:44:26 -0700 Message-ID: <43602323.9040508@msn.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool References: <20051026223922.2789.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051026223922.2789.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2005 00:44:26.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[94D913C0:01C5DA8F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now that was a clever use. I would have never thought of using mine like that! Thanks for the tip! Ann Catelli wrote: >I took the back curve of a >doll with the flexible curve, and had very minor >fitting to make a first draft dress fit well on her. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 26 23:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9R3j8ZD018609 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:45:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9R3iWVd073204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R3iS1p071878; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R3iOj6071838 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DC3E3605D for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:44:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations!!!!!!!! De -----Original Message----- Hi all, Just wanted to share the news. The Small family welcome their newest little addition. Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, 2 oz, 19" long. Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right before. I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Kimiko Small Proud Mama. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 02:14:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9R6DxZi024293 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9R6DLmc083795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9R6DGCg034640; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9R6DB9H034588 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8036 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2005 06:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2005 06:13:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051027071016.01d15b28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:11:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:44 27/10/2005, you wrote: >Congratulations!!!!!!!! >De > >-----Original Message----- >Hi all, > >Just wanted to share the news. > >The Small family welcome their newest little addition. >Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, >2 oz, 19" long. > >Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: >http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html >What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The >pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right >before. > >I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for >the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if >only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Congratulations to all the Smalls, big and little! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 07:19:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RBJetB025385 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RBJAMf022229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBJ4B2065312; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBJ0R1065175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437921CD4B3 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 15086-02 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 80B9E1CD486 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b601c5dae8$361b16e0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004301c5d9fb$ec0beb70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <435F9854.4090406@fenris.net><435FB283.4090506@lavoltapress.com> <435FBA65.8040201@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:18:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> They are called spline curves, and you can get them in a number of >> lengths at big art stores, including lengths over 12 inches. Not >> necessarily with a ruler built in though. > > This is a job for Felt-tipped Marker Woman! LOL...my son is Sharpie Boy! (And crayon boy, and pencil boy, and any other drawing medium he can get his artistic little hands on!) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 07:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RBLk55025424 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RBLXpI023103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBLXBT066896; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBLTI4066807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB051CD578 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 14812-07 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E15A91CD488 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c501c5dae8$92be9ac0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition > Hi all, > > Just wanted to share the news. > > The Small family welcome their newest little addition. > Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, > 2 oz, 19" long. > > Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html > What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The > pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right > before. Congratulations! She's just beautiful! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 07:45:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RBjqAJ025948 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:45:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RBjZ53031113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBjYWx079927; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RBjVXM079809 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:45:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.9]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:42:31 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcXaj4lhc8qy5/q5RtSWqE3ChLchkAAXBXHQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2005 11:42:31.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[84142690:01C5DAEB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO All Right- another client to costume, who won't whine about the cost! (Tho' she'll probably find other stuff to whine about (wink, grin)) Congrats to mom, dad and all the standby clan members!! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:46 PM To: BeyondThePaleRPG@yahoogroups.com; isleofmannca@yahoogroups.com; CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Hi all, Just wanted to share the news. The Small family welcome their newest little addition. Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, 2 oz, 19" long. Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right before. I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Kimiko Small Proud Mama. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 08:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RCsX43027404 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:54:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RCrt5f051826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RCrrs9016281; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9RCroCl016217 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:53:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67791 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2005 12:53:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d62RAi16yfx0reNB2z/mdKDu/8xPun+K+UVesj8u29UBiz5ZwZTjGlWZddkWQo9jbFvsRWKByPMTcXi6wPekRSuYP6nPkojCipdRFQxTcpJut56QCO0OJYdDgjNxony1UbjGC1lZXyXli09WvObLeZXoGfwJAHoIJc5x4BM8uko= ; Message-ID: <20051027125344.67789.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:53:44 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00c501c5dae8$92be9ac0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, Congratulations to you all and welcome to Maurelle! Chris G. Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition > Hi all, > > Just wanted to share the news. > > The Small family welcome their newest little addition. > Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, > 2 oz, 19" long. > > Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html > What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The > pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right > before. Congratulations! She's just beautiful! Dianne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 12:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RGPYWh032328 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:25:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RGOg4e003917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RGOTIx066873; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf39.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf39.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RGOOd0066734 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.150]) by mxsf39.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9RGNv81025972 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:24:08 -0400 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (24.183.100.224) by mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2005 12:23:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4enjt4$1hhgsdh@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,259,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1662546353:sNHT16144446" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:23:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051022223440.0320af80@pop.radiks.net> Thread-Index: AcXXg1LQppS2yhjARkSB92aCIla6NADj0M2Q X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I didn't see any dates listed anywhere for this event - can anyone provide? I might actually be able to attend this one, as it is in the Midwest. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > > Announcement for Costume Con 24!!!! > > Online registration is now available via our website. We > accept payment via PayPal. > > http://www.epicmovies.org/cgi-bin/register.cgi > > CC24 Committee > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 13:08:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RH8rE4000896 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RH8CEM020491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RH86Fk003052; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RH7w7h002906 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:08:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B83CEDA for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43610978.3000102@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:08:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration References: <4enjt4$1hhgsdh@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4enjt4$1hhgsdh@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > I didn't see any dates listed anywhere for this event - can anyone provide? > I might actually be able to attend this one, as it is in the Midwest. > It is over Memorial Day weekend, May 26-28 I believe. I was planning to go. It's only about 4 hours from here. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 13:40:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RHeLcP001961 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RHdYnW026290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RHdRED027575; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RHdKc6027347 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [67.66.157.153] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.8) with HTTP id 344413899 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:39:03 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.8 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:39:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4enjt4$1hhgsdh@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <4enjt4$1hhgsdh@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you can make it to the Midwest, you're in luck. Costume Con 24, on Memorial Day weekend 2006, is in Des Moines, IA, and the next one, Costume Con 25, is March 29 - April 2, 2007 in St. Louis, MO. Karen On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:23:45 -0500 "Rebecca Schmitt" wrote: > > I didn't see any dates listed anywhere for this event - >can anyone provide? > I might actually be able to attend this one, as it is in >the Midwest. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 14:16:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RIG9WD003278 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RIFWGK032822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RIFRHg056665; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9RIFNuH056513 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBYCGJPAXNC8Z2 for (sender ); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K8CBND7M; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:14:14 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:05:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Message-ID: <20051027.130521.-825401.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1726882927 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7w+oCUdqSMexQzinT7IoHF538gb5Zv7T7A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations, Kimiko! And best wishes for your whole family! Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 17:08:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RL8DdH007265 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RL7WsA058400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RL7OE9089881; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9RL7Eiu089692 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005102717065519374 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:06:55 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id j9RL6Qwg023756 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] helpfull tool Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90A910FF@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <651C586D272B24428B045AA9CF0B2F90039B3FCD@mcmail01.wwc.mccc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have 2 --one is 18" and the other is 20". Found them in the notions dept of JoAnn's and a drafting supply store Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] helpfull tool Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Yesterday i was chasing a new working lamp as my old one had broken. I > was going trough the most of the city, > On my way i went into a drawing shop and found a nice devise i can use > for my costume work. > It is made by a firm called Linex, it is a long green rubber stick wich > is bendable to make curves. > This is ideal for instance for when you are going to make a chemise > that is going to have the same cut as the stays. You just outline your > nedkline of the stays with this stick, while they are sitting on your > dress stand, and voila you have the cut for the chemises neckline. I have one of those, mine has a ruler built into it. It is very useful, although I wish it was longer than 12 inches. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 17:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RLHshH007492 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RLGWxL059743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RLGVrf097043; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53310.mail.yahoo.com (web53310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9RLGS9A096958 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jauncourt@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59577 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2005 21:16:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QtQuHdXTKLLBwkxR6OhjsbZfjGqs0VfYtjFjauDoZBiEb/E0EiQIRD0CWINt/UbDSmYyz2/Imls2v3nHBZnrI7/JabISHs5rET1Gb3FAra5jBzJog8Y4lLe55YPr32smAcOZSfj94bpaQ1+PZL8gQwoOGNWu2KcxfZxHv/7MY+c= ; Message-ID: <20051027211623.59575.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.244.18.126] by web53310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:23 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Branwyn Maura To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Rural Pennsylvania Clothing to be reprinted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This message is beign forwarded to interested parties at the request of the Shumways - the volume in question is to be reprinted, and is being offered at a discount to early purchasers. If you are at all interested in late 18th/early 19th century Eastern American clothing, this is fantastic resource. Maura "From: "Dorothy and George Shumway" "Dear Maura, We are pleased to announce that RURAL PENNSYLVANIA CLOTHING by Ellen Gehret is being reprinted and should be available by the 28th of November, 2005. The book will be softbound but sewn- not glued, which makes it a very durable book. "We want to thank you and the members of your 18th century email list who initiated a request to reprint this book. In appreciation we are offering the book at a special price to you, your reenator list, and others during the month of November. The book will be available for $35 and free shipping on orders placed during November 2005. On the 1st of December, the price will be $40 plus $6 shipping. "I will be putting the information on our website www.shumwaypublisher.com this weekend. People can also call us toll free 1-888-748-6929 to order. We accept visa, mastercard, and American Express, also checks and money orders. "Thank you again, and since you were the first to write us, I will ask you to pass on the infomation to others rather than my emailing them individually. "Dorothy Shumway George Shumway Publisher 3900 Deep Run Lane York, PA 17402" __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 17:41:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RLfCBx008033 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RLelmj062919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RLehBr015726; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RLedcw015665 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t9so105439wxc for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:40:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BGRoVw0fSZ7b+uE1vm1Sb1yFBu+cnIJfXrnh3X5cwhU2VZlX7Rd7R66c0G09qM18xmfWbNFQzyxmr0CL3RvzVzdbSkk05fXBZx+yLys5x2rr+MdzlqzqIN26sb0lnLiGh/c+jwQOByzzuTp5kJMWc8ZDRXTVjXyzPJ4w90ysnGk= Received: by 10.70.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr160177wxa; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.10 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0510271440p6af83e71t7a07b4a05011c075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:40:38 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition In-Reply-To: <20051027.130521.-825401.0.penhalion@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051027.130521.-825401.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9RLedcw015665 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations to you and your husband, Kimiko!She's beautiful, and you look really great considering a C-section. All the best, LynnD (from Costume College) On 10/27/05, Karen R Bergquist wrote: > Congratulations, Kimiko! And best wishes for your whole family! > > Karen > Seamstrix > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 18:27:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9RMRv4c009068 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:27:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9RMRE6C068949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RMR8XX049941; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RMR3Xw049847 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15266 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:51:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:51:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Today I hold in my hands the page proofs of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, volume 2! For those who are interested, the contents of vol. 2 are listed here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM There are eight papers, covering (as always) a range of periods, places, and disciplines. Costumers will want to take a close look especially if you have interests in any of these topics: -- Early Irish dress -- although the paper focuses on a particular literary description, it has extensive discussion of archaeological finds and artworks, and the footnotes provide a pretty good summary of the state of research in this area -- 13th/14th century French cloth trade, terms, and availability -- 15th/16th century textile cleaning methods (by h-coster Drea Leed) -- Renaissance "flea furs" -- this highly comprehensive study is loaded with primary citations, and will stand as THE definitive piece of research on this subject -- Elizabethan/Jacobean embroidered jackets (by h-coster Danielle Nunn-Weinberg) There's more, too. You can pre-order at the Boydell site (URL above), or through Amazon (sizable discount at the moment). Papers for Volume 3 are rolling in; we have some really good names and topics, but I can't tell you what yet! --Robin (feel free to forward this message in its entirety) ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 20:11:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9S0Bquc011332 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:11:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9S0BDNd079734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S0B80e010341; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9S0B4R2010263 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47156 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2005 00:10:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=otp0KdsA7SeT19rNKGZWj9Ej6KHMMUBppp74m92gXajQNI+V6HwLUhngnFisagR9Vp9eHb0LGCTzADMmFvCuIe4tJDXoW9zpzyvq+7L9cozVwoEgyqy4XrKwhS7GR/qEQOygHqsVHM4wzkyUtPL/oJcBBfvjYJeH3F9QygDJ6bs= ; Message-ID: <20051028001059.47154.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:10:58 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510271740.j9RHdTjK027613@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: The Small family addition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations!! She is beautiful! Get your rest and heal quickly. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:30 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Hi all, Just wanted to share the news. The Small family welcome their newest little addition. Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, 2 oz, 19" long. Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right before. I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Kimiko Small Proud Mama. -------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 20:45:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9S0j4La012104 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9S0iYLf082466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S0iWq8026302; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.198.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S0iPJe026225 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051028004419014001j6u6e>; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:44:19 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.119; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:44:18 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:44:18 +0000 Message-Id: <102820050044.15290.436174620002F9AE00003BBA22007614389C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congratulations, Kimiko. She's lovely! Roscelin Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:30 -0700 From: Kimiko Small Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Hi all, Just wanted to share the news. The Small family welcome their newest little addition. Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, 2 oz, 19" long. Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right before. I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). Kimiko Small Proud Mama. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 27 21:03:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9S13mH7012585 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9S13NV3084096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S13Mti034622; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S13H2B034582 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:03:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.165] (pm5-165.eos.net [205.133.149.165]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9S13GVT026650 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:03:16 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:52:59 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200510271739.j9RHdTjJ027613@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bjarne's new gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 01:02:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9S52H6v018209 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:02:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9S51l8G005780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S51gYI046125; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S51cbZ046059 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051028050054.URFE2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:00:54 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcXYJp6IWoBa+bHETgmhfLR7DX20ZQDT3aMwAAGT4KA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051028050054.URFE2767.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Anne Moeller [mailto:ladyanne@quik.com] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:52 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] a holiday idea Apologies to the list. I meant to send the letter to Suzi privately. That is what sleep deprivation will do to you. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC4Q25031891 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC3m6Q058954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC3grl018809; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9RNsmnI002540 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so137041wxc for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LArvJfxQTjbSj0YTlCupW8hlOsjqWJkE7J+DfjdtOM6HG1ngPeUP232RTjg0S06W/CRzKG0w6PExRk8twdZpLZUpBlp5c85VuJmjRLdKTqCi+G6yegzLszSVTtAvJ+fL8JidLjELPdPT29HO5yzdaFgTVShAC7p4aMC9oLKSts4= Received: by 10.64.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr2065439qbf; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.43.13 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:54:47 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9RNsmnI002540 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Man, this one looks positively yummy. Thank you for the sampling... although, now it makes the waiting harder. :> Bridgette >Costumers will want to take a close look especially if > you have interests in any of these topics: > > -- Early Irish dress -- although the paper focuses on a particular > literary description, it has extensive discussion of archaeological finds > and artworks, and the footnotes provide a pretty good summary of the state > of research in this area > > -- 13th/14th century French cloth trade, terms, and availability > > -- 15th/16th century textile cleaning methods (by h-coster Drea Leed) > > -- Renaissance "flea furs" -- this highly comprehensive study is loaded > with primary citations, and will stand as THE definitive piece of research > on this subject > > -- Elizabethan/Jacobean embroidered jackets (by h-coster Danielle > Nunn-Weinberg) > > There's more, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:04:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC4wnk031935 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC4dmQ059021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC4chX019200; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9S0FOvs012413 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24900 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2005 00:15:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=woip7CiGo7VNiEeGxnb6rRZNmzFNnBaeMA3aRsarjf1LuqLI40fe8SiS8Cr1tsSEYg50Ju+fOPkZ/qt2/tQ9ByEafocPqTDqHGQUU+aCaQP4982LoH6QQCwM3Jc2+/yUgxvVawUtzXXMy4nC7W76yvQe1MWSkY69/XsqlWNfSJo= ; Message-ID: <20051028001519.24898.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:15:19 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510271740.j9RHdTjK027613@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New UK re-enactors recycling list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO :-( wish there was something in the states like this! Took a peek just out of curiosity and saw something that sounded like it might be rather useful. Annette M Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:00:15 +0100 From: "Melanie Wilson" Subject: [h-cost] New UK re-enactors recycling list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Re-enactors_recycle/ Is a new list set up for re-enactors to freely offer goods that are no longer required, for example you have outgrown stuff or changed periods, or made a better version. Items may not be sold. But reasonable postage can be asked for, but a sae is prefered, as most people will not be close to one another. Please pass the message to any other re-enactors or living history folk who might be interested Thanks Mel --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:05:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC50SJ031940 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:05:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC4iuQ059041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC4ip4019270; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S1FMAd040118 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m25.in-tch.com [216.166.191.25]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9S18EM16228 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009c01c5db5d$fc9cc0a0$19bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:21:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wa-hoo! --sue, doing a happy dance... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report > > Today I hold in my hands the page proofs of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, > volume 2! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:06:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC68b4032005 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:06:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC5nFl059176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC5ndB019856; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S4q0ng041643 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051028045107.YPGI21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:51:07 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a holiday idea Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:51:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcXYJp6IWoBa+bHETgmhfLR7DX20ZQDT3aMw In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024000034.01d599e8@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051028045107.YPGI21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I didn't answer because of the pedantic habits of British Customs >Officers. Virtually everything sent from the U.S seems to incur a >charge - which is why my friends carry gifts with them when they >visit, rather than send things. (And yes, I know what the rules are >governing charges, and that gifts don't count - depends on the value, >and the Officer!) >Suzi Does this mean I should not send a box? I can't imagine they would charge customs on things like fabric samples, little gadgets or papers/magazines, etc. I certainly plan to make every effort to be there in April but it is too soon to tell. The only thing I am sure of is getting to Switzerland. Since my husband does not yet know how long he can leave his business I can't plan much yet. I want to visit both you in London and some old family friends in France. Of course, I will still plan to bring "stuff" (any requests?) with me but I would like to be able to send the odd package anyway. Should I tell you what I will send before sending it? I hate to do that because I like to send little surprises at Christmas time. Just let me know what you think. On the home front I am now working full time (40 hours per week). I work 10AM to 2PM and 6PM to 10PM. I HAVE NO LIFE!!! Fortunately this will only last about 12-15 weeks and the job is very interesting. Besides, I enjoy being temporary management. The only problem is lack of time. Medically I have very painful arthritis in my right knee and bursitis in my left hip. I went to the doctor today and got cortisone shots in both places (he called me his little pin cushion ) I told him he stick pins in me all day if the pain stopped. I do feel much better several hours later but I am still getting a handicapped hanger for my car so I can park closer to the door at work. With all the extra people hired for the busy season, I have to park waaaay out there and the walk is brutal on bad days. Tomorrow I go to the hand doctor for my worsening carpal tunnel. I am just going to pieces. Can't walk, dance, sew or lift. And using a computer with an old type mouse (which is what I have at work) is painful. I might see if I can get permission to get a track ball mouse. I have one at home and I have a computer connection at home so I don't mind buying my own. All I can say is "Golden Years my arse". Sorry for the long gripe session. Being in constant pain for over 3 weeks has made me a bit frustrated. How is your health doing? Still having dizzy spells? I hope not. Well, I am off to bed. Can't stay up quite as late these days. Take care. Hope to have time to call soon. I will let you know. Love, Anne _______________________________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:06:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC699w032008 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:06:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC5iXP059150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC5heW019790; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S4GpSh026306 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EVLfd-0003sN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051027224444.02f1b870@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:48:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200510271739.j9RHdTjJ027613@net.indra.com> References: <200510271739.j9RHdTjJ027613@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume-Con 24 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's actually May 26-29, 2006. Go up to the home page and there are the dates, as well as the links to all the rest of the info (hotel, events, etc.). To find out more about Costume-Con in general, go to "Timeline" will give you links to past and future Costume-Cons (with pics). Sandy At 12:39 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote: >From: "Rebecca Schmitt" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration > >I didn't see any dates listed anywhere for this event - can anyone provide? >I might actually be able to attend this one, as it is in the Midwest. > >Rebecca Schmitt >aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence >Bristol Renaissance Faire >From: Dawn >Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration > >It is over Memorial Day weekend, May 26-28 I believe. > >I was planning to go. It's only about 4 hours from here. > >Dawn "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:06:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SC6IrH032022 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SC63LS059237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SC63LV020041; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9S8120o024343 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j9S80DZ8026363 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051028025210.01ca0990@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:56:16 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <002001c5d8d5$0ea81fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002001c5d8d5$0ea81fa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - I've listed costume book & videos on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I've just listed a Aileen Ribeirl's "The Gallery of Fashion" Book on ebay. It is a new copy, still in the original plastic I had accidentally received two copies of it. I have also listed some costume movies (VHS) and will be listing more things soon. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573892808&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 08:50:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SCoEu6002319 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SCnl5N062677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SCnjsF039127; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SCnfcQ039056 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9SCnZo16892.; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:49:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:49:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:49:25 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Bleak House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9SCnfcQ039056 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saw the first episode of this dramatisation (which we were discussing earlier) last night, and enjoyed it very much. I'm not a Victorian expert, but the costumes seemed fine to me, except that I don't know why Esther was travelling without a bonnet on in the early scenes, when she was seen wearing one later. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/bleakhouse/ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 09:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SD4ixj003267 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:04:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SD4GKu063779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SD4DwL046179; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SD48hL046107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EVTth-0002o6-0t; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:03:53 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20051028080352.btr8eu86o000s804@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:03:52 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New UK re-enactors recycling list References: <20051028001519.24898.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051028001519.24898.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Kahlara : > :-( wish there was something in the states like this! Took a peek > just out of curiosity and saw something that sounded like it might be > rather useful. If you go to groups.yahoo.com and enter a search string of "SCA recycle" 4 local groups will come up. OakenFreebies ConstellationFreebies MidlandsFreebies PentamereFreebies If you look for "SCA sale" you'll find garb4sale SCAforsale scabarterandtrade "SCA freecycle" returns SCAcanrecyclefree Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 09:21:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SDLY7B004382 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SDKW0R064810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SDKSsN054146; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9SDKO9m054081 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59168 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 13:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 13:20:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051028141450.01d5ae70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:18:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bleak House In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:49 28/10/2005, you wrote: >Saw the first episode of this dramatisation (which we were >discussing earlier) last night, and enjoyed it very much. I'm not a >Victorian expert, but the costumes seemed fine to me, except that I >don't know why Esther was travelling without a bonnet on in the >early scenes, when she was seen wearing one later. > >See http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/bleakhouse/ My guess is that the bonnet and the hood of her cloak were made independently, and when it came to do the filming, they couldn't get the hood to fit over the bonnet! (Probably wouldn't work for the bit where she takes the hood off too.) Otherwise rather an impressive debut I feel. And Charles Dance makes a great Victorian. So many wonderful faces, almost cartoonish, but made it much easier to remember who was who. Looking forward to the next few weeks - two weekly half hour episodes - lovely. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 10:28:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SESMbu008661 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SERac9071342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SERSqM092520; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SER9Xm092381 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15499 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:27:08 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:24:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE:Bleak House and Elizabeth I Thread-Index: AcXbwwVkHbf3IzwFSbqgOQGk22NiigAB6TYg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9SER9Xm092381 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Bleak House and Elizabeth I X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen Bleak House on this side of the pond yet, but Elizabeth I is scheduled on PBS Masterpiece Theatre Nov 13th and 20th(after "Kidnapped" airs the next two Sundays)so there should be lots for us Yanks to comment and critique. Hope the costuming on Elizabeth I is better than last year's Henry VIII which I had a good laugh over, for the most part. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 12:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SGp7aI013375 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SGoQCX091557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SGoCuZ004339; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SGo86f004186 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IP200BWYXEOCPKB@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:49:34 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin-- Bless you for doing some late period stuff! I have mine on preorder already! Dame Catriona MacDuff (Monica Spence) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report Today I hold in my hands the page proofs of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, volume 2! For those who are interested, the contents of vol. 2 are listed here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM There are eight papers, covering (as always) a range of periods, places, and disciplines. Costumers will want to take a close look especially if you have interests in any of these topics: -- Early Irish dress -- although the paper focuses on a particular literary description, it has extensive discussion of archaeological finds and artworks, and the footnotes provide a pretty good summary of the state of research in this area -- 13th/14th century French cloth trade, terms, and availability -- 15th/16th century textile cleaning methods (by h-coster Drea Leed) -- Renaissance "flea furs" -- this highly comprehensive study is loaded with primary citations, and will stand as THE definitive piece of research on this subject -- Elizabethan/Jacobean embroidered jackets (by h-coster Danielle Nunn-Weinberg) There's more, too. You can pre-order at the Boydell site (URL above), or through Amazon (sizable discount at the moment). Papers for Volume 3 are rolling in; we have some really good names and topics, but I can't tell you what yet! --Robin (feel free to forward this message in its entirety) ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 13:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SH0joe013613 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SH0Ibx092713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SH0E7s012447; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SH01Yi012229 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23481 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:24:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:24:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > Bless you for doing some late period stuff! I have mine on preorder > already! We can't hit everything every time, but we're trying to make the rounds ;-) Vol. 1 was a good choice for Anglo-Saxon specialists; this one is more of a Renaissance volume. No idea yet on how Vol. 3 is going to fall out -- we have five articles in hand, and more coming, so much will depend on which ones make it through review and editing in time for the next deadline. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 13:21:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SHLo2b013966 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:21:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SHLKBF095649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SHLDTH029906; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SHL5wG029694 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter18.comcast.net[204.127.197.128]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051028172057014001o0b3e>; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:20:57 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:20:56 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:20:56 +0000 Message-Id: <102820051720.9916.43625DF80002AFB5000026BC22070009539C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, how can we get Vol. 1? Roscelin > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > > We can't hit everything every time, but we're trying to make the rounds > ;-) > > Vol. 1 was a good choice for Anglo-Saxon specialists; this one is more of > a Renaissance volume. No idea yet on how Vol. 3 is going to fall out -- we > have five articles in hand, and more coming, so much will depend on which > ones make it through review and editing in time for the next deadline. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 14:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SIGKdg015087 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:16:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SIFj1x004379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIFeXc072853; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIFafk072730 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24078 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:40:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:40:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-Reply-To: <102820051720.9916.43625DF80002AFB5000026BC22070009539C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Robin, how can we get Vol. 1? You can see the contents here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM You can also order from there (that's the publisher website) but at the moment Amazon has a better price: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1843831236/ I understand sales have been very good (thanks in large part to the non-academic costuming community -- thanks, all!) and have outpaced what the publisher anticipated at the time of printing. So, I do not know how long supplies will last. I think it's fair to say that you shouldn't depend on being able to buy Vol. 1 a year or two from now (though I'm sure there will eventually be used copies floating around). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 14:42:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SIgMiG015567 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SIfpMo007676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIfjp8093374; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIfbxT093265 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ec.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.236]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 769F85EE033 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:41:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c5dbef$40cab3e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:41:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, Sorry for being late, but i want to congratulate you two! Lovely daughter Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition > Hi all, > > Just wanted to share the news. > > The Small family welcome their newest little addition. > Maurelle Kimihana Small was born on October 17, 2005. She came in at 7lbs, > 2 oz, 19" long. > > Photos of her can be seen at my husband's blog: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/c0demonkey/13616.html > What can't be seen is her dark brown hair, like her dad and I. The > pediatrician thinks she will have green or hazel eyes, and he's been right > before. > > I am still doing recovery from the c-section, and am currently on meds for > the pain. But I am slowly getting back into a semi-regular rourtine, if > only I could think straight orspell while on vicadin (wheee...). > > Kimiko Small > Proud Mama. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 14:51:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SIpvlD015713 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9SIpTgE008761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIpOAN000927; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9SIpJ9l000835 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ec.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.236]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 826E85EE058 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001b01c5dbf0$9fd11180$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <102420050225.15829.435C46220008107A00003DD522069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <435C4921.6080107@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Regency Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:51:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Hope, Congratulations with your furst regency dress, and thanks for sharing. When i think about my first regency dress, yours in deed looks far more period, and that is well done. I was so stupid to make one with mylar palliettes on, without bathering that it was not invented yeat. I have a similar fabric, an embroidered tulle net in autumn green with embroidered roses wich i have not find a use for yeat. Well done! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Greenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] First Regency >A couple of months ago I had questions about constructing my first >early-19th century gown. So many of you were very helpful--many thanks! The >corset went well, as did the petticoat and shift. I wore the gown to my >first English Country Dance ball. > > Here's a pic: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/ballgown.jpg > > Here's what I like/don't like/plan to do differently next time: > 1) Fabric: I always tell myself not to get sucked in to fabrics that > aren't authentic looking just because you liek them. I didn't heed myself > this time: I absolutely fell in love with the fabric. It's an embroidered > sheer. The colors/pattern would do better for an early 20thc entury dress, > but I couldn't resist. sigh. > 2) The underdress/lining is a pale green silk shantung. Shantung wasn't my > first choice, but it was on super sale at fashionfabrics and I thought for > a first attempt I'd better mind the budget. > 3) The sleeves are a variation of a gown in the McCord museum. The petals > are a bit ballet-costume maybe. > 4) The pattern is basically from Nancy Bradfield's "Costume in Detail" > gown from 1823, drawn on p. 119. > 5) In the pic I drew in the neckline ribbon a bit too tightly in the > front. Should be worn with the neckline wider. > > But generally, I'm pretty happy with it! I also made a white day gown > that's a much closer replica of an 1815 gown in Bradfield but no pics yet. > > Comments that would be helpful for the next attempt would be welcome! > > Next up: for the holidays, another ball gown, probably a taffeta, late > teens-early 20's, solid color with piping details. > > - Hope > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 28 22:41:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9T2fuLI023592 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9T2fV7x072412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9T2fOB9077224; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9T2fGot077146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9T2f8bf021536 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:41:15 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On order with Amazon as of five minutes after your note! Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 06:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TAl4Ex012556 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:47:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TAkemv023996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TAkaNm054425; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TAkXH7054389 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j9TAixdv016488 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:45:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029054327.01cef5a0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:46:21 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT early medieval copper jewelry on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Please forgive another commercial posting here... I've just posted an early medieval copper parure on ebay which would probably be perfect for Viking or Saxon, although I do admit that, that time period is greatly outside my expertise: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5048451007&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 08:48:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TCmRVv029296 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:48:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TCm55r033210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TCm17a096221; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9T3UtSa097786 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3123CEA3 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:30:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4362ED0C.3080408@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:31:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] So you want to be Jack the Ripper... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anybody know the size and shape of a man's cravat c. 1889? Were men even wearing cravats at this time? I'm trying to find images of men's outwear and not having a lot of luck at the moment. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 08:49:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TCnG0n029310 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:49:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TCmxuV033274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TCmxs7096501; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9T5Xm8H042748 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29634 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2005 05:33:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XAJAIRP07IahPRKDb7PfzjP6Lz9yMapLIY+2wm9ZiYYL7ts7MsCVGkqUMM6aQC0DvtiWb9dVS0JhuIOqVqta2j1/Xx64lBaE8zfR1sgc+e87ocaZo6QXFZceGDNXMx4wHsrHN2Sawt5IYEpr2+XuQ5/kB5izPm5as4437xZ43tI= ; Message-ID: <20051029053341.29632.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:33:41 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510281800.j9SI0Ie5060755@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New UK re-enactors recycling list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Susan! Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:03:52 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New UK re-enactors recycling list Quoting Kahlara : > :-( wish there was something in the states like this! Took a peek > just out of curiosity and saw something that sounded like it might be > rather useful. If you go to groups.yahoo.com and enter a search string of "SCA recycle" 4 local groups will come up. OakenFreebies ConstellationFreebies MidlandsFreebies PentamereFreebies If you look for "SCA sale" you'll find garb4sale SCAforsale scabarterandtrade "SCA freecycle" returns SCAcanrecyclefree Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Being that I have a bad habit of over-researching and not doing, I need to start working this weekend to give myself enough time. This was actually a difficult decision to make as I likely will not be able to wear this outfit beyond this event and possibly a Renaissance fair this spring, due to slow but steady weight loss. I've used that as an excuse to only live in t-tunics for far too long, though, so I'm thinking that if I can make this, I can find the courage make (and remake) the gothic fitted dresses of my actual persona (mid 14th C England). I'm unemployed at the moment, meaning that if I get a lot of work done now, I'll be at an advantage, but it also means that my budget is fairly low. I'm at an intermediate level of costuming, meaning I've made simple costumes (side-laced late 15th C Venetian is my most complicated to date) without commercial patterns and french seams don't intimidate me, but I've never even dreamed of doing something at this level. I think I'm ready for a challenge. My goal is to be authentic in design, but creative in the execution, as I won't have the budget for the best materials. If I'm going to put this much work into a gown, I'd like to enter it into an A&S contest at some point, so I want my decisions to have period justifications. My initial plan is to be somewhat plain, so I can be sure it will be done for the event, then add to it later if I wish. My inspirations are: Jane Seymour by Holbein, 1537 - http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg - What I want to take from this dress is the color and fabric of the main dress (I love red velvet), jewelled trim and implied construction (pinned stomacher covering the front lacing). I don't like the brown tapestry or the gabled hood and the embroidery is a little too ambitious at this stage. Mary Tudor by unknown (wedding portrait to Charles Brandon), 1515 - http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg - What I want to take from this is the french hood, despite the fact that you don't see many french hoods in portraits until nearly 1540. Anne Boleyn was already active in court before 1530, and this portrait was from 1515, so I'm assuming it was definitely there. I like this shape, as opposed to the transitional angled one I see in portraits around 1530, like the portraits of the More family or Anne Cresacre. Lady Guildford by Holbein, 1527 - http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg - I like the fact that she's not a wisp of a woman. I like the look of the foldback sleeves matching the rest of the gown, even though it is plain, and I might end up using the idea of using a brocade trim around the dress in case my time or budget won't accommodate the jewels. I also like the pleated false sleeves in that iridescent fabric (especially in that it isn't tapestry). Is that cloth of gold? It doesn't appear that her gown has a split skirt. I also like her paternoster (could that be red coral?). Undergarments: My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a farthingale. I've read opinions that say yes you need them and I've read opinions that say no, you can live with a stiffly lined bodice and a petticoat(s) and that evidence in wardrobe accounts didn't show these undergarments until after 1540-1550. If I can avoid the corset and farthingale with period justification, I would be thrilled, as this would cut a week off the project. I'm a size 28/30 woman (depends on the clothing) with only a C cup chest, so breast support is not something I have a great need for, but I do have a couple of fat rolls at my sides. Is this an automatic "make a corset" proposition then? I think my canvas-lined Venetians did very well for a smooth line when they fit (they're both currently too loose to provide any support) and I will have two gown layers. Anyone here have any experiences with plus-sized late period garb and corsets or the lack thereof? I have my Italian chemise, but the sleeves are very full, so I will likely have to make a new one. I plan on using Drea Leed's smock generator, unless I find something better. I've heard something about the sleeves being off, so I'll have to do a mockup first since I've never used her generator. There's also a basic low-necked smock pattern on vertetsable.com, but it doesn't use any gores so I'm not sure on its authenticity. Kirtle: After looking at the evidence, I tend to agree that they wore two dresses/kirtles/whatever you call them in addition to the chemise instead of just a forepart skirt. Of course this will add more work, but I'd feel better about it going this way - not to mention that the false sleeves will be more secure and I really only have to draft one pattern with slight modifications. This layer will be a short sleeved kirtle, consisting of the "good" fabric for the forepart of the skirt and top of the bodice and a similar weight cheap fabric for the rest where it won't be seen. If I do a jewelled neckline, it will be attached to this layer. I have no idea how this is supposed to lace up yet - front, back, or sides (which I read as one theory especially if the jewels go all the way around the neck). I am completely unsure about the "good" fabric to use at this point. Of the portraits I see, either you have solid/tapestry or print/print. I'm not a huge tapestry fan. I do have in hand more than enough ivory satin of a suitable weight to use, but it is plain. I thought about maybe couching/beading estoiles, which is part of my device, on the false sleeves and forepart, but this sort of thing wasn't done at this time, as far as I can see. Would going plain be such a crime or a plausible non-royalty substitution? Any suggestions for a good contrasting or complementing color to use? The Tudors loved gold, but I'm not the biggest fan. The false sleeves would be made of the same good fabric as used for the kirtle, pinned or attached to the kirtle. If I end up doing a shiny or iridescent fabric instead of tapestry, I'm tempted to pleat them, like Lady Guildford's portrait. Overdress: I plan on using red cotton velvet or velveteen - I know velveteen would be more within my budget, but I'm not sure of the overall look of it yet. Would it work well? I would like for the foldback sleeves to be the same color of the dress, as seen with Lady Guildford, but I don't see many other examples like this until later. Could this also be an acceptable compromise for someone not of royalty? The front of the skirt will be split to show off the "good" fabric of the kirtle. If I have a train, it will only be a slight one. Accessories: Jewelry will be simple. Since I don't really like gold, is silver an acceptable substitute? I notice from the Mary Tudor portrait that they didn't see a problem with mixing gold and silver. I probably will use plenty of glass pearls. I will have the two standard necklaces and a girdle, not sure yet about any brooches. I'll work on that after I finish the dresses. My french hood will be of more of a curved design, but not overly fancy. I'm not sure which fabric to use for my crescent, as I've seen fabric used from the overdress, the folded back sleeves, or the forepart/false sleeve. I guess whichever fabric I prefer. This is also a lower priority at this point of the project. Stockings are an extremely low priority at this point, as I could live without them, and I have some Mary Jane-style shoes that will pass. So, what do you think? I have done so much reading that my head is spinning with details. I don't see a lot of recreation in 1530, moreso in the 1540 range, where there are some changes. I wish I had more non-royal sources as I really don't need to be that high of class and I'd like to know where I can legitimately skimp on the details. I'm just looking for some feedback and corrections as needed because I want to go fabric shopping within the week. -- Elinor Salter _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 11:27:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TFRJVF032324 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:27:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TFQumh047563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFQuUi058327; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFQqiN058272 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:26:47 -0700 Message-ID: <436394F8.8020504@msn.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:27:52 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051029054218.01ce82c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029054218.01ce82c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2005 15:26:47.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D125700:01C5DC9D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my that is lovely! I love the 'attitudes!' > > http://www.chenillesetpapillons.com/ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 11:36:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TFaNuN032499 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:36:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TFZssv048256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFZrJc062611; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFZopa062553 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24710.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.16]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 31CE45EE05D for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003b01c5dc9e$78afae50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051029054218.01ce82c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:36:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Danielle, It is such a shame because i would die to se this page, but i cant se it! I tryed to download flashplayer, but i think perhaps it is my anti virus that refuses me to se it! Got to go and have a coffe in an internet cafe. The embroideries are machine made i know, but the quality is exquisite! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site > Greetings, > > This was just posted to the "Real Regency" list and if you like 18th > century stuff you have to drool at this website: > http://www.chenillesetpapillons.com/ > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 11:36:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TFauxA032510 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:36:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TFPeVP047398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFPaDN057748; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TFPXtg057705 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24710.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.16]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CDE2747FE3F for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002d01c5dc9d$05da3590$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] grey waistcoat embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, i know i said i had to waite with this till when i have finished the yellow dress, but i could not resist my lust to try out the mulberry silk threads i got. This is going to be a dark grey gentlemans embroidered waistcoat of 1770ies. It is vey hard to trace pattern to dark fabric, so i used my rice paper, reversed the pattern and sticked it to the backside of the taffeta. Then i used white sewingthread and small running stitches to outline the whole pattern. This worked fine, but it took some time to do. Here is one pattern repeat of the pattern. At the bottom of the page; http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/herreveste..htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 12:02:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TG2W6L000573 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TG251p051068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TG23Ur076686; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TG1wlR076630 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BDB3CEEF for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:01:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43639D0E.5000807@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:02:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER References: <435E7C42.60303@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <435E7C42.60303@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline is Tuesday, November 1st. If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see below) you are not signed up. Dawn > Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. > > Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at > Dawn@reddawn.net. > > Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does > not end up in the spam-trap. > > > _What we're doing. _ > > We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each > other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that > everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I > am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read > this entire message. > > The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. > > > _The Rules._ > > 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. > Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. > > 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for > the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts > should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will > be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. > > 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 > euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from > supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. > We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. > > 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it > will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and > lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing > overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. > > 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all > participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. > Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. > > 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person > they will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to > you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara > will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by > giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who > is sending to you. > > > _Join Now!_ > > 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply > to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period > ends November 1st. > > 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your > pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been > suggested that you include your dress size. > > 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time > period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process > that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a > favorite color or theme? > > 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include > it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, > please let me know. > > > > > I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please > reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 13:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TH0tdT004235 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:00:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TH07SL055384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TGxxeu004078; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TGxrc7004016 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.16.173.139]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c5dcaa$2b9fc850$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <435E7C42.60303@reddawn.net> <43639D0E.5000807@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:59:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did I already sign up? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER > Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline is > Tuesday, November 1st. > > If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see below) > you are not signed up. > > > > Dawn > > > >> Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. >> >> Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at >> Dawn@reddawn.net. >> >> Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does >> not end up in the spam-trap. >> >> >> _What we're doing. _ >> >> We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each >> other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that >> everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I >> am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this >> entire message. >> >> The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. >> >> >> _The Rules._ >> >> 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. >> Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. >> >> 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for >> the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts >> should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will >> be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. >> >> 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 >> euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from >> supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We >> all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. >> >> 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it will >> cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and >> lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing >> overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. >> >> 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all >> participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. >> Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. >> >> 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they >> will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to you. >> For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will >> send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and >> receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending >> to you. >> >> >> _Join Now!_ >> >> 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply >> to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period >> ends November 1st. >> >> 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your >> pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been >> suggested that you include your dress size. >> >> 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time >> period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process >> that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a >> favorite color or theme? >> >> 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include >> it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, >> please let me know. >> >> >> >> >> I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please >> reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. >> >> >> >> Dawn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 13:14:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9THElZk006149 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:14:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9THDxNG056326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THDtC2010487; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THDnxZ010434 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:13:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id B53AD1ECD26; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.144.27.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.144.27]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EE2971ECD5B for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:13:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:15:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 1530-40 is 5-15 years after my personal cut-off period, but a lot of what I've learned studying pre-1525 stuff carries over, so hopefully I can help a little. > Mary Tudor by unknown (wedding portrait to Charles Brandon), 1515 - > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg > - What I want to take from this is the french hood, despite the fact that > you don't see many french hoods in portraits until nearly 1540. Anne > Boleyn was already active in court before 1530, and this portrait was from > 1515, so I'm assuming it was definitely there. I like this shape, as > opposed to the transitional angled one I see in portraits around 1530, > like the portraits of the More family or Anne Cresacre. This sort of French hood was all over the place in western Europe starting around 1500; if you study the paintings you can see it developing from half-circle and tailored veils with a flipped-back edge, over increasingly decorative coifs. Anne de Bretagne, who seems to have been the fashion-plate of the continent, wore a dizzying variety of them, but died about 15 years before your time. However, they're still worn in the 1530s--a couple of the miniatures of Anne Boylen of the early-mid 1530s, for example, show her wearing a French hood. She's credited with popularizing them in England, so as long as you're planning an outfit from the time after Anne Boylen returned from France, you're golden; they start popping up all over the place in England then. (Although Mary and Margaret Tudor wore them long before AB.) In other words, while the gable hood may have been a little more popular for a while, the French hood was definitely fashionable enough to be worn by the rich & noble of the 1530s. And speaking of French hoods, there was a discussion of them here recently. You may want to visit the archives and search for it--it couldn't have been more than a few months ago, and 'french hoods' was in the title. And since I think I forgot to post about it at the time: everything I've ever seen supports the idea that the top of the French hood did NOT stick up like a sun visor worn funny, but rather laid pretty much flat against the head. Or at least, it only stuck up in the way that any flat thing wrapped around something vaguely spherical would. > Lady Guildford by Holbein, 1527 - > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg > - I like the fact that she's not a wisp of a woman. I like the look of > the foldback sleeves matching the rest of the gown, even though it is > plain, and I might end up using the idea of using a brocade trim around > the dress in case my time or budget won't accommodate the jewels. I also > like the pleated false sleeves in that iridescent fabric (especially in > that it isn't tapestry). Is that cloth of gold? It doesn't appear that > her gown has a split skirt. I also like her paternoster (could that be > red coral?). Lucky me--this portrait lives about 45 minutes away, so I got to go study it. I was very disappointed to find out that the black parts on the portrait are really, really black--you can see more light/dark detail on the dress in that picture that you posted than on the portrait itself. (That doesn't mean that the detail the web image shows doesn't exist; the detail just stands out clearer in that image than on the portrait itself.) The false sleeves didn't look like cloth of gold to me; they were a plain, non-iridescent copper made out of some sort of ribbed silk, like faille. The painted detail of the fabric's ribs is what makes it look iridescent at a distance, and the fabric definitely has that silk sheen to it. The opening at the bottom of the false sleeve is held together with self-fabric ties. I couldn't tell what the paternoster was made of; it looked most to me like painted wood! I couldn't detect any sign of a split skirt; I couldn't detect any sign of a waist seam either (which is what I really wanted to learn by studying it in person) but that could have easily been obscured by the dark paint or by her arms. The lining of the turned-back sleeves could have been a dark fur, or velvet--they look too black to be a natural fur color, but fur was dyed at that period; however, I remember thinking that they could have been velvet, even though the pile would be longer than I'd expect of 1527 velvet. That trim at the neckline, by the way, is almost certainly a trim on either her undergown or her chemise; notice that the sprig of herbs at her neckline goes between the dress and the trim. The only other thing I can think of about this portrait off the top of my head is that the white puffs of fabric poking through the sleeves look a lot sheerer on the portrait itself than in any of the web images I've seen of it; they could even be of the same super-sheer fabric as the edging of the chemise. > Undergarments: > My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a > farthingale. I've read opinions that say yes you need them and I've read > opinions that say no, you can live with a stiffly lined bodice and a > petticoat(s) and that evidence in wardrobe accounts didn't show these > undergarments until after 1540-1550. If I can avoid the corset and > farthingale with period justification, I would be thrilled, as this would > cut a week off the project. I'm a size 28/30 woman (depends on the > clothing) with only a C cup chest, so breast support is not something I > have a great need for, but I do have a couple of fat rolls at my sides. > Is this an automatic "make a corset" proposition then? I think my > canvas-lined Venetians did very well for a smooth line when they fit > (they're both currently too loose to provide any support) and I will have > two gown layers. Anyone here have any experiences with plus-sized late > period garb and corsets or the lack thereof? Studying corsets and their origins is another one of my passions, and I can tell you with as much certainty as I dare muster about anything without access to a time machine that they did notnotnot NOT use corsets at this point. The bodice of the gown (or the undergown, or both) was stiffened using various techniques, including canvas and buckram. This is true well into the Elizabethan era, and the 'Tudor corset' (read: pre-Eliz) as we know it is a complete fallacy! I haven't looked into the subject of farthingales too much, but 'hoopes from the wast douneward' were mentioned in England as early as 1519. However, you can certainly get the look of the portraits without a farthingale if you use a relatively stiff fabric in your undergown. > I have my Italian chemise, but the sleeves are very full, so I will likely > have to make a new one. I plan on using Drea Leed's smock generator, > unless I find something better. I've heard something about the sleeves > being off, so I'll have to do a mockup first since I've never used her > generator. There's also a basic low-necked smock pattern on > vertetsable.com, but it doesn't use any gores so I'm not sure on its > authenticity. I don't know too much about the chemises of this era, but I can tell you that it's perfectly accurate to have chemises without gores at this point in time. In fact, looking at the extant chemises in my image collection, it's rarer to HAVE gores than not. Vertetsable is generally a pretty reliable, accuracy-minded resource, so if I didn't have enough time to do the research myself I'd be willing to go with her pattern. I'll snip off the rest of the post and quit here, as most of the rest is about ways and means to get the look. There's just so many ways and so little known for sure about how they did it! For images, though, I'll mention some places you probably already know about, just in case you don't. The first place I generally look for something: http://www.wga.hu Next, the ever-popular bildindex: http://www.bildindex.de I'd suggest searching by artist--click kunstler, then at the left type in part of the artist's last name--or by date. To search by date, click Suche at the top, then fill in the form as follows: click the second radio button at the top, then put in your beginning and end dates for the search. Go to the rightmost-column below that, and find the blank that's labelled 'ikon. Kontext:'. To the right of the blank you'll see a little menu icon; click on that and pick one of the following: geschichte (history; includes tons of portraits) or mensch (people). Otherwise, you'll get images of tons of buildings and it'll take forever to weed through them. Finally, press 'Suche starten'; a list of the number of results for each search parameter will show up, with a link to 'Galerie' at the very bottom. Click this and you'll get to see the actual pictures. And finally, one of my new favorites: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ The search utility here isn't anywhere near as good as bildindex's, but it's got a lot of great paintings. Click 'recherche' at the top to do a search. The dating info on this website makes it hard to pick a date range, but if you're patient you'll find some great paintings. Of course, the paintings are largely French, but you can get some useful details nonetheless; the French hoods, if nothing else, are very similar to what was worn in England. I'd suggest doing a search for Corneille de Lyon (you'll get an option of him or of his atelier; look at both) as you'll find some great, detailed portraits from around the right time period. Hope this helps. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 13:15:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9THF8DE006208 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9THElBu056378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THElJ7010956; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THEgZs010918 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 147913393A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:14:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c5dc9d$05da3590$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: gray waistcoat embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beautiful! And thank you for posting your sources. I had never heard of Hedgehog Handiworks. I checked them out and found they had decorative pewter lacers which would go well on costumes like this one. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor3.html Thank you, De -----Original Message----- Well, i know i said i had to waite with this till when i have finished the yellow dress, but i could not resist my lust to try out the mulberry silk threads i got. This is going to be a dark grey gentlemans embroidered waistcoat of 1770ies. It is vey hard to trace pattern to dark fabric, so i used my rice paper, reversed the pattern and sticked it to the backside of the taffeta. Then i used white sewingthread and small running stitches to outline the whole pattern. This worked fine, but it took some time to do. Here is one pattern repeat of the pattern. At the bottom of the page; http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/herreveste..htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 13:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9THViVx007301 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:31:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9THVIK0057561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THVHsb018556; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THVCcj018512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2F779D41E8; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A158D41DF for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:31:02 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c5dcae$9c3a8bf0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-132.6 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] vintage textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought some of you might be interested in this link, particularly Bjarne who might be interested to note the gentleman's suit, particularly the dark waistcoat. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 13:32:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9THWhNV007318 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9THWJfJ057758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THWIZW019162; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9THWD9e019098 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01832 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:57:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:57:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER In-Reply-To: <43639D0E.5000807@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote: > Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. 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Your waistcoat is going to be fabulous! Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:41 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] grey waistcoat embroidery Well, i know i said i had to waite with this till when i have finished the yellow dress, but i could not resist my lust to try out the mulberry silk threads i got. This is going to be a dark grey gentlemans embroidered waistcoat of 1770ies. It is vey hard to trace pattern to dark fabric, so i used my rice paper, reversed the pattern and sticked it to the backside of the taffeta. Then i used white sewingthread and small running stitches to outline the whole pattern. This worked fine, but it took some time to do. Here is one pattern repeat of the pattern. At the bottom of the page; http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/herreveste..htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 14:46:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TIktNd008394 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TIk4Is064226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TIjxH5053814; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TIjqka053752 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24710.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.16]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E2F0262853 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c5dcb9$04611960$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c5dcae$9c3a8bf0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage textiles Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:46:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lorina, Wich website were you talking about? You didnt post any URL. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] vintage textiles > Thought some of you might be interested in this link, > particularly Bjarne who might be interested to note the gentleman's > suit, particularly the dark waistcoat. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 14:51:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TIpN1U008447 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TIoxxt064667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TIow6S056246; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TIotRP056227 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6404012E for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb14.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.5abf2 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDY8SORVtUnwIAAAAB,0c0f62f3756eac226abaecf0b7f9b560 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051029115055.20B0E259@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How in the heck did anyone manage to order this book from Amazon? I have tried every way I know (and I have been buying from Amazon since they started) and I can not get them to acknowledge such a book is ever going to exist. Thanks for any help you can give me. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Robin Netherton wrote: From: Robin Netherton Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:51:33 -0500 (CDT) To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report Today I hold in my hands the page proofs of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, volume 2! For those who are interested, the contents of vol. 2 are listed here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM There are eight papers, covering (as always) a range of periods, places, and disciplines. Costumers will want to take a close look especially if you have interests in any of these topics: -- Early Irish dress -- although the paper focuses on a particular literary description, it has extensive discussion of archaeological finds and artworks, and the footnotes provide a pretty good summary of the state of research in this area -- 13th/14th century French cloth trade, terms, and availability -- 15th/16th century textile cleaning methods (by h-coster Drea Leed) -- Renaissance "flea furs" -- this highly comprehensive study is loaded with primary citations, and will stand as THE definitive piece of research on this subject -- Elizabethan/Jacobean embroidered jackets (by h-coster Danielle Nunn-Weinberg) There's more, too. You can pre-order at the Boydell site (URL above), or through Amazon (sizable discount at the moment). Papers for Volume 3 are rolling in; we have some really good names and topics, but I can't tell you what yet! --Robin (feel free to forward this message in its entirety) ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 15:04:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TJ4E56008626 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TJ3mVs065670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJ3mcv062188; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJ3io2062103 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02546 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:28:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-Reply-To: <20051029115055.20B0E259@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Lalah wrote: > How in the heck did anyone manage to order this book from Amazon? I > have tried every way I know (and I have been buying from Amazon since > they started) and I can not get them to acknowledge such a book is > ever going to exist. Thanks for any help you can give me. That's odd ... there are pages at Amazon for both volume 1 and the forthcoming volume 2 (search under my name). Are you ordering from the page they have for it? And it's not accepting the order? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 15:09:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TJ9g7v008698 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TJ9I0r066256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJ9H8w064724; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJ9Drs064674 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E764940539 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.5a5d8 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDY8jYaZ147QIAAAAB,3e8f278a2a84791ba0d054e1fecbbd78 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.71] Message-Id: <20051029120912.20B0E06B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I searched for the name of the book and did get vol. 1, but nothing on vol. 2. I will try with you name. Hope it works, but if it doesn't I can always get it from the publisher (just would rather save a buck or two). Thanks Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Robin Netherton wrote: From: Robin Netherton Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:28:30 -0500 (CDT) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Lalah wrote: > How in the heck did anyone manage to order this book from Amazon? I > have tried every way I know (and I have been buying from Amazon since > they started) and I can not get them to acknowledge such a book is > ever going to exist. Thanks for any help you can give me. That's odd ... there are pages at Amazon for both volume 1 and the forthcoming volume 2 (search under my name). Are you ordering from the page they have for it? And it's not accepting the order? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 15:17:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TJHZom008801 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TJG3b3066894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJG3iI067688; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJFx97067660 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AC73FDE6 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb19.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.5a497 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDY8pvFalhuQIAAAAB,0ffbd55f5d55ae71a4962c08ed2dbadd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.70] Message-Id: <20051029121559.20B0E726@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Robin, That worked and I have pre-ordered it. Can't wait till it gets here. I love volume 1. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 15:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TJHcHZ008804 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TJG20k066889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJG1Ch067670; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TJFvAD067636 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02667 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:40:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report In-Reply-To: <20051029120912.20B0E06B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Lalah wrote: > Actually, I searched for the name of the book and did get vol. 1, but > nothing on vol. 2. I will try with you name. Hope it works, but if > it doesn't I can always get it from the publisher (just would rather > save a buck or two). Thanks Here's the link again. You'll save more than a couple of bucks... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1843832038 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 19:17:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TNHjpQ012546 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:17:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TNGO9l084801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TNFhqT068459; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TNFfKc068439 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s18so1276368nze for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=An9M025PWRZb8RXXcZ2s3mQCjuzpHPp4jOCnqynzzOTzMq7LTsuVgUqlfH6U5XeIUKg/TglNO8NJyumHASYAG+F0B8FsnUIoHIKmzbJsbPs6vdY/0ewuFZJeFkyZFWz4MrrQn2+JP4ir7cWW7PgjOlqEDRlNnr7ms1EHozAETWk= Received: by 10.36.71.4 with SMTP id t4mr1753947nza; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.77.7 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:15:40 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9TNFfKc068439 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline > is Tuesday, November 1st. > If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see > below) you are not signed up. Curious: when are you going to tell us who our surprise recepient will be? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 19:26:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9TNQnjs012680 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:26:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9TNPjoW085456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TNP908072380; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TNP6hY072336 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C8D3CEED for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <436404ED.6090107@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:25:33 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cin wrote: >>Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline >>is Tuesday, November 1st. >>If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see >>below) you are not signed up. > > > Curious: when are you going to tell us who our surprise recepient will be? > I'll send confirmations to everyone on Monday night, do a Last Call on Tuesday, and then send out the names late Tuesday or Wednesday during the day. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 22:51:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9U2pnxD015198 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:51:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9U2p7ts002149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U2p2cH049416; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U2owSl049390 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B2751D23 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051029195304.036431d8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:54:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: The Small family addition In-Reply-To: <20051026194737.kwolctza3mck48oc@www.goldsword.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051026173530.037190a8@64.87.54.245> <20051026194737.kwolctza3mck48oc@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you all who sent your well wishes. I've been a busy mom, but very happy to do so even with some sleep deprivation. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 23:54:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9U3sNs1015888 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9U3rpGJ006343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U3rmbJ073073; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9TKr3ig011566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EVxgy-0001f6-PM; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:52:44 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: <20051029155244.ins4334y8db4cgg0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:52:44 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I"m about to send this book back to the UGA library (ya gotta love InterLibrary Loan!). Not only does it have an enormous collection of paintings that I've never seen before, it also has a picture of, well, a sweater. Figure cption reads "Women's camicola or knitted jacket. First quarter of seventeenth century. Florence, Museo Stibbert. "Camicola knitted in red and gold silk, made my male professionals. This type of garment, already present in Eleanora's wardrobe, is recorded with increasing frequency in the documents of the second half of the century." Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 29 23:54:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9U3svZE015899 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:54:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9U3shIu006446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U3shgj073490; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U2ov7L049388 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5DC51D17 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051029194757.036435b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:50:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan In-Reply-To: <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:15 AM 10/29/2005, you wrote: >And speaking of French hoods, there was a discussion of them here recently. I have a site on French hoods, or more specifically, on portraits of women wearing French hoods (and early hoods) listed by decade. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood I would post more on this topic, but am currently busy with baby needs. I will post more thoughts later. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 01:05:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9U6537r017295 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:05:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9U64Xu8014145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U64SYE016538; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9U64PJk016472 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 55786 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2005 06:04:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ps+4cYIXa3BM2KKWjs2DTLZkiBnoZNu9em86NlKK+hTUHfiPQs32MIGw0yFgG64mtGa4PNFS7xD+J37zHdiEhoqWezP3lMMt0FLd8dHBG7LNnaqSGGVk2bB/xXNeXZ/FO8X7nu14csDcjv7OPkIZjosaxJ8VjIw8xkh2SN2mpGg= ; Message-ID: <20051030060419.55784.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.250] by web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:04:19 EST Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:04:19 +1100 (EST) From: Bella To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corset-wearers required for Interview. Posted with Permission (Thank you!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello to all, my name is Bella. I am doing a BA at Monash University, Melbourne (Australia) as an off-campus (online) student. For my current journalism topic (feature writing) I am working on the last assignment. I have chosen to write a feature on the corset as it is today. I have the article planned, outlined, and ready to write, but a feature article is no good without quotes. To this end I would love to hear from anyone who wears one - irrespective of how long you have worn one, how often you wear one, what type you wear and for what reason (re-enactment, medical, club or fetish - any reason at all is fine - I want as many different reasons for wearing a corset as possible! Tightlacers included!), and even whether you are male or female (I know that there are guys who wear them, and I'm totally open-minded). The e-mail interview will be very simple and should take you no longer than twenty minutes - I expect at this stage to ask five questions only. You can answer as briefly as you like, but fuller answers will make me smile bigger. :-) This work is to be submitted to my unit adviser alone - only she and I will read it. In addition anyone I quote will be identified by 'name, age, and city (or country if outside Australia)' ONLY. For example: As regards to fetish wear Mary, 35, who lives in the US, says that..."..." If you are interested please send an e-mail to me at this address (Please DO NOT reply on list) and I will send you the questions. I would be happy to send anyone who wants one a copy of the article as soon as I have heard back from my unit adviser, which should be in the second last to last week of November. Thank you for reading, I hope to hear from you! Bella --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 03:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9U8Bts0018700 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9U8BMh7020669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9U8BKL4056447; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9U8BHj4056416 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93177 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2005 08:11:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lxY+4ekO+yOo248zirfAK5WeapWPwaOWDIA95VSq4w2RrH7LA+dhBrFupsZk/RmPpPReBGl8sbEpiL1u5nSVsA/ccEdRUvbKVTeVwdvI0xDlj/k3L7yD7lAYitvSR/rLVIb2obv9/ervC28SAiFuadVFF5kGiBvMiddJkiORwcM= ; Message-ID: <20051030081111.93175.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.35] by web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:11:11 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] So you want to be Jack the Ripper... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4362ED0C.3080408@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm, perhaps look at portraits of Prince Albert, or Charles Dickens? Or how about the American President of that time frame? our fashions were probably close to England's at he time. Just a thought..... --- Dawn wrote: > Does anybody know the size and shape of a man's > cravat c. 1889? Were men > even wearing cravats at this time? I'm trying to > find images of men's > outwear and not having a lot of luck at the moment. > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 05:49:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UAnWu6028763 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UAn4pL035504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UAn0gO006311; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UAmvKG006273 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005103010484001200dmoh3e>; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:48:37 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > 1530-40 is 5-15 years after my personal cut-off period, but a lot of > what I've learned studying pre-1525 stuff carries over, so hopefully I > can help a little. > > > >> Mary Tudor by unknown (wedding portrait to Charles Brandon), 1515 - >> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg >> - What I want to take from this is the french hood, despite the fact >> that you don't see many french hoods in portraits until nearly 1540. >> Anne Boleyn was already active in court before 1530, and this >> portrait was from 1515, so I'm assuming it was definitely there. I >> like this shape, as opposed to the transitional angled one I see in >> portraits around 1530, like the portraits of the More family or Anne >> Cresacre. > > > This sort of French hood was all over the place in western Europe > starting around 1500; if you study the paintings you can see it > developing from half-circle and tailored veils with a flipped-back > edge, over increasingly decorative coifs. Anne de Bretagne, who seems > to have been the fashion-plate of the continent, wore a dizzying > variety of them, but died about 15 years before your time. However, > they're still worn in the 1530s--a couple of the miniatures of Anne > Boylen of the early-mid 1530s, for example, show her wearing a French > hood. She's credited with popularizing them in England, so as long as > you're planning an outfit from the time after Anne Boylen returned > from France, you're golden; they start popping up all over the place > in England then. (Although Mary and Margaret Tudor wore them long > before AB.) In other words, while the gable hood may have been a > little more popular for a while, the French hood was definitely > fashionable enough to be worn by the rich & noble of the 1530s. > > And speaking of French hoods, there was a discussion of them here > recently. You may want to visit the archives and search for it--it > couldn't have been more than a few months ago, and 'french hoods' was > in the title. And since I think I forgot to post about it at the > time: everything I've ever seen supports the idea that the top of the > French hood did NOT stick up like a sun visor worn funny, but rather > laid pretty much flat against the head. Or at least, it only stuck up > in the way that any flat thing wrapped around something vaguely > spherical would. Thank you. I dimly remember that discussion - I will have to go back and find it. >> Lady Guildford by Holbein, 1527 - >> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg >> - I like the fact that she's not a wisp of a woman. I like the look >> of the foldback sleeves matching the rest of the gown, even though it >> is plain, and I might end up using the idea of using a brocade trim >> around the dress in case my time or budget won't accommodate the >> jewels. I also like the pleated false sleeves in that iridescent >> fabric (especially in that it isn't tapestry). Is that cloth of >> gold? It doesn't appear that her gown has a split skirt. I also >> like her paternoster (could that be red coral?). > > Lucky me--this portrait lives about 45 minutes away, so I got to go > study it. I was very disappointed to find out that the black parts on > the portrait are really, really black--you can see more light/dark > detail on the dress in that picture that you posted than on the > portrait itself. (That doesn't mean that the detail the web image > shows doesn't exist; the detail just stands out clearer in that image > than on the portrait itself.) > > The false sleeves didn't look like cloth of gold to me; they were a > plain, non-iridescent copper made out of some sort of ribbed silk, > like faille. The painted detail of the fabric's ribs is what makes it > look iridescent at a distance, and the fabric definitely has that silk > sheen to it. The opening at the bottom of the false sleeve is held > together with self-fabric ties. I couldn't tell what the paternoster > was made of; it looked most to me like painted wood! I couldn't > detect any sign of a split skirt; I couldn't detect any sign of a > waist seam either (which is what I really wanted to learn by studying > it in person) but that could have easily been obscured by the dark > paint or by her arms. The lining of the turned-back sleeves could have > been a dark fur, or velvet--they look too black to be a natural fur > color, but fur was dyed at that period; however, I remember thinking > that they could have been velvet, even though the pile would be longer > than I'd expect of 1527 velvet. That trim at the neckline, by the > way, is almost certainly a trim on either her undergown or her > chemise; notice that the sprig of herbs at her neckline goes between > the dress and the trim. The only other thing I can think of about this > portrait off the top of my head is that the white puffs of fabric > poking through the sleeves look a lot sheerer on the portrait itself > than in any of the web images I've seen of it; they could even be of > the same super-sheer fabric as the edging of the chemise. Are the sleeves truly ribbed? When I look at it, the ribs just look like the folds from pleating to me. I'll have to look again when my eyes aren't so tired. I'm pretty sure it the rosary was red coral - it's too orangy to be ruby and red coral was one of the favorite expensive materials. Too bad the real stuff today is still expensive and I haven't found the substitute dyed coral in large enough beads yet (especially not as large as hers are pictured). So do you think that the turn-back sleeves are a different material then? I thought it looked the same as her gown fabric, but that's the problem with black. I've since seen a few more images of turn-back sleeves matching the overgown, but they're of a later date. I think I'm going to go ahead and plan to do it that way. >> Undergarments: >> My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a >> farthingale. I've read opinions that say yes you need them and I've >> read opinions that say no, you can live with a stiffly lined bodice >> and a petticoat(s) and that evidence in wardrobe accounts didn't show >> these undergarments until after 1540-1550. If I can avoid the corset >> and farthingale with period justification, I would be thrilled, as >> this would cut a week off the project. I'm a size 28/30 woman >> (depends on the clothing) with only a C cup chest, so breast support >> is not something I have a great need for, but I do have a couple of >> fat rolls at my sides. Is this an automatic "make a corset" >> proposition then? I think my canvas-lined Venetians did very well >> for a smooth line when they fit (they're both currently too loose to >> provide any support) and I will have two gown layers. Anyone here >> have any experiences with plus-sized late period garb and corsets or >> the lack thereof? > > > Studying corsets and their origins is another one of my passions, and > I can tell you with as much certainty as I dare muster about anything > without access to a time machine that they did notnotnot NOT use > corsets at this point. The bodice of the gown (or the undergown, or > both) was stiffened using various techniques, including canvas and > buckram. This is true well into the Elizabethan era, and the 'Tudor > corset' (read: pre-Eliz) as we know it is a complete fallacy! I > haven't looked into the subject of farthingales too much, but 'hoopes > from the wast douneward' were mentioned in England as early as 1519. > However, you can certainly get the look of the portraits without a > farthingale if you use a relatively stiff fabric in your undergown. Thank you, thank you, thank you for confirming my greatest hope. Now more about the stiffening - how would I construct this? My Italian dresses have a layer of canvas on the inside with the fashion fabric on the outside (no lining). Is this enough, or should I be planning for more? I think I would prefer canvas because it would be a little easier to clean when that time comes, I think. >> I have my Italian chemise, but the sleeves are very full, so I will >> likely have to make a new one. I plan on using Drea Leed's smock >> generator, unless I find something better. I've heard something >> about the sleeves being off, so I'll have to do a mockup first since >> I've never used her generator. There's also a basic low-necked smock >> pattern on vertetsable.com, but it doesn't use any gores so I'm not >> sure on its authenticity. > > > I don't know too much about the chemises of this era, but I can tell > you that it's perfectly accurate to have chemises without gores at > this point in time. In fact, looking at the extant chemises in my > image collection, it's rarer to HAVE gores than not. Vertetsable is > generally a pretty reliable, accuracy-minded resource, so if I didn't > have enough time to do the research myself I'd be willing to go with > her pattern. Really? That's odd. Is there anywhere online with those pictures or patterns of the chemises? I can only remember one 16th or 17th C chemise with blackwork offhand in Cut My Cote, which I'm not sure where it is at the moment. Would the the sleeves of the chemise be poufy or tapered (I thought vertetsable's was tapered)? At first I thought the poufs of chemise escaping the false sleeves were fake and their chemise sleeves were tapered, now I don't, but who knows, maybe they still are - I've never had a lot of luck with forcing poufs to stay poufed out with my Italian sleeves. > I'll snip off the rest of the post and quit here, as most of the rest > is about ways and means to get the look. There's just so many ways > and so little known for sure about how they did it! > > For images, though, I'll mention some places you probably already know > about, just in case you don't. > > The first place I generally look for something: > http://www.wga.hu > > Next, the ever-popular bildindex: > http://www.bildindex.de > I'd suggest searching by artist--click kunstler, then at the left type > in part of the artist's last name--or by date. To search by date, > click Suche at the top, then fill in the form as follows: click the > second radio button at the top, then put in your beginning and end > dates for the search. Go to the rightmost-column below that, and find > the blank that's labelled 'ikon. Kontext:'. To the right of the blank > you'll see a little menu icon; click on that and pick one of the > following: geschichte (history; includes tons of portraits) or mensch > (people). Otherwise, you'll get images of tons of buildings and it'll > take forever to weed through them. Finally, press 'Suche starten'; a > list of the number of results for each search parameter will show up, > with a link to 'Galerie' at the very bottom. Click this and you'll > get to see the actual pictures. > > And finally, one of my new favorites: > http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ > The search utility here isn't anywhere near as good as bildindex's, > but it's got a lot of great paintings. Click 'recherche' at the top > to do a search. The dating info on this website makes it hard to pick > a date range, but if you're patient you'll find some great paintings. > Of course, the paintings are largely French, but you can get some > useful details nonetheless; the French hoods, if nothing else, are > very similar to what was worn in England. I'd suggest doing a search > for Corneille de Lyon (you'll get an option of him or of his atelier; > look at both) as you'll find some great, detailed portraits from > around the right time period. > > Hope this helps. > > -E House Thank you so much for the advice and the links. I hope to be able to consult you later if I have any questions. -- Elinor Salter Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 08:42:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UDgtHh002887 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UDgUMU059847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UDgQQU060465; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UDgNbt060424 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.125]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051030134216.VOYC18995.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:42:16 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:42:12 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> References: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You may also like this one (a bit later) at the Victoria and Albert Museum http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSESSION_=&submit-button=search&search-form=main/index.html Object Jacket Date ca. 1625-1650 Techniques Hand-knitted in silk and silver-gilt wrapped silk, and lined with linen Place London, England (possibly) Italy (possibly) Dimensions Height 61 cm Width 115 cm (with sleeves) Museum Number 807-1904 The book "Moda a Firenze 1540-1580" is wonderful. I have really enjoyed my copy. I've been thinking of adding: Bronzino by Maurice Brock 360 pages Flammarion (November 16, 2002) ISBN: 208010877 to my collection of portrait painters. Has anyone seen this book? Beth At 04:49 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:52:44 -0500 >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 >To: Costume List >Message-ID: <20051029155244.ins4334y8db4cgg0@www.goldsword.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >I"m about to send this book back to the UGA library (ya gotta love >InterLibrary Loan!). Not only does it have an enormous collection of >paintings that I've never seen before, it also has a picture of, well, >a sweater. > >Figure cption reads "Women's camicola or knitted jacket. First quarter >of seventeenth century. Florence, Museo Stibbert. > >"Camicola knitted in red and gold silk, made my male professionals. >This type of garment, already present in Eleanora's wardrobe, is >recorded with increasing frequency in the documents of the second half >of the century." > >Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 09:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UEDX0u003374 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UEDEJp062342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UED9nE071834; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UED67o071797 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:13:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4EC0238; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:13:00 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 30 Oct 05 14:12:55 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c5dd5c$2ae1d4a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051030081111.93175.qmail@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] So you want to be Jack the Ripper... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:13:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re cravats... There is a volume by Doriece Colle "Collars, Stocks and Cravats"; White Lions Pub, 1972 that might help. The one she illustrates closest to your time period is as follows: "Ascot suspended from a string tie, c.1875-c.1875" Usually one wide strip of silk forms the whole ascot. A two piece style like this would accommodate a turnover collar." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] So you want to be Jack the Ripper... > > Hmmm, perhaps look at portraits of Prince Albert, or > Charles Dickens? > Or how about the American President of that time > frame? > our fashions were probably close to England's at he > time. > Just a thought..... > --- Dawn wrote: > > > Does anybody know the size and shape of a man's > > cravat c. 1889? Were men > > even wearing cravats at this time? I'm trying to > > find images of men's > > outwear and not having a lot of luck at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 09:45:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UEjt7u003825 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UEjRrw064956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UEjN1k083273; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UEjKYi083219 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IP600A15GYF7VUH@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:44:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:44:35 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 In-reply-to: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the Bronzino book, which is an excellent book, if you are specializing in the period it covers. However, it is mostly about painting. If you are interested in that, great. If you are looking for new costume plates, I think that you will be disappointed. Most of the pictures in the book have been reproduced elsewhere and frequently, at that. If you have the portraits already and don't care for the painterly stuff... well, then buying it is up to you. I remember it to be pretty expensive. Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:42 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 You may also like this one (a bit later) at the Victoria and Albert Museum http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSESSION_=&submit-button=searc h&search-form=main/index.html Object Jacket Date ca. 1625-1650 Techniques Hand-knitted in silk and silver-gilt wrapped silk, and lined with linen Place London, England (possibly) Italy (possibly) Dimensions Height 61 cm Width 115 cm (with sleeves) Museum Number 807-1904 The book "Moda a Firenze 1540-1580" is wonderful. I have really enjoyed my copy. I've been thinking of adding: Bronzino by Maurice Brock 360 pages Flammarion (November 16, 2002) ISBN: 208010877 to my collection of portrait painters. Has anyone seen this book? Beth At 04:49 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:52:44 -0500 >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 >To: Costume List >Message-ID: <20051029155244.ins4334y8db4cgg0@www.goldsword.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >I"m about to send this book back to the UGA library (ya gotta love >InterLibrary Loan!). Not only does it have an enormous collection of >paintings that I've never seen before, it also has a picture of, well, >a sweater. > >Figure cption reads "Women's camicola or knitted jacket. First quarter >of seventeenth century. Florence, Museo Stibbert. > >"Camicola knitted in red and gold silk, made my male professionals. >This type of garment, already present in Eleanora's wardrobe, is >recorded with increasing frequency in the documents of the second half >of the century." > >Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 09:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UEw77I003965 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UEvpem065727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UEvoFo087769; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UEvm3S087725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EWEcm-0003Vm-At; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:57:32 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:57:32 -0600 Message-ID: <20051030085732.x8syiji1zhogws0k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:57:32 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 References: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > > I've been thinking of adding: > Bronzino by Maurice Brock 360 pages Flammarion (November 16, 2002) > ISBN: 208010877 > to my collection of portrait painters. Has anyone seen this book? > > Beth Don't know a thing about it, but it sounds like something that I would be interested in. Bronzino (and Carpaccio) is one of my favorite artists -- next to the ladies, of course :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 10:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UFmHfV004649 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UFlrVa069584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UFlpcP008067; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9UFlmAQ008042 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 20398 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 07:47:34 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 20388, pid: 20390, t: 3.0997s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1149 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2005 07:47:31 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051030074308.046e0eb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:47:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan In-Reply-To: <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:48 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >E House wrote: > >[big snip] >I'm pretty sure it the rosary was red coral - it's too orangy to be >ruby and red coral was one of the favorite expensive materials. Too >bad the real stuff today is still expensive and I haven't found the >substitute dyed coral in large enough beads yet (especially not as >large as hers are pictured). >So do you think that the turn-back sleeves are a different material >then? I thought it looked the same as her gown fabric, but that's >the problem with black. I've since seen a few more images of >turn-back sleeves matching the overgown, but they're of a later >date. I think I'm going to go ahead and plan to do it that way. >[big snip] >-- >Elinor Salter >Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra I've seen large red coral beads (dyed, of course) in my Fire Mountain Gems catalog. You might try starting at this web site: http://www.firemountaingems.com/specials/CW051022H.htm?WT.mc_id=CW051029H They are not too expensive. What size are you trying for? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 11:22:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UGLxdq005247 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:22:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UGLYxV071965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UGLXSM021027; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9UGLUOo021011 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 893 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2005 17:07:09 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:07:09 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1120.67.188.164.116.1130689522.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20051030085732.x8syiji1zhogws0k@www.goldsword.com> References: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> <20051030085732.x8syiji1zhogws0k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > > >> >> I've been thinking of adding: >> Bronzino by Maurice Brock 360 pages Flammarion (November 16, 2002) >> ISBN: 208010877 >> to my collection of portrait painters. Has anyone seen this book? >> >> Beth > > Don't know a thing about it, but it sounds like something that I would > be interested in. Bronzino (and Carpaccio) is one of my favorite > artists -- next to the ladies, of course :-) My favorite Bronzino book (and they have a Carpaccio one, too) is by "The Library of Great Masters" series. They are printed by the Riverside Book Company. They are about 8 1/2" by 11" and softcover but have nice, big color reproductions of the paintings. They are about art, but the pictures are very nice quality. For example, you can see that Laura Battiferri's dress is brown and black, not just all black (those who know this painting, will know what I mean!) The Bronzino ISBN is 1-878351-52-4 The Carpaccio ISBN is 0-09-470170-9 And they have other good painters as well.... Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 11:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UGxdjF005879 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UGxBun076293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UGx897035811; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UGx47o035753 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IP600J06N694100@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:58:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:58:52 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <1120.67.188.164.116.1130689522.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze1540-1580 > Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > > >> >> I've been thinking of adding: >> Bronzino by Maurice Brock 360 pages Flammarion (November 16, 2002) >> ISBN: 208010877 >> to my collection of portrait painters. Has anyone seen this book? >> >> Beth > > Don't know a thing about it, but it sounds like something that I would > be interested in. Bronzino (and Carpaccio) is one of my favorite > artists -- next to the ladies, of course :-) My favorite Bronzino book (and they have a Carpaccio one, too) is by "The Library of Great Masters" series. They are printed by the Riverside Book Company. They are about 8 1/2" by 11" and softcover but have nice, big color reproductions of the paintings. They are about art, but the pictures are very nice quality. For example, you can see that Laura Battiferri's dress is brown and black, not just all black (those who know this painting, will know what I mean!) The Bronzino ISBN is 1-878351-52-4 The Carpaccio ISBN is 0-09-470170-9 And they have other good painters as well.... Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 12:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UHjNvd006672 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UHikcn080525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UHih5r055959; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UHiewd055892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EWHEE-00045c-CO; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:44:22 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:44:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20051030114422.w2208a7g0v8kw4k4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:44:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze1540-1580 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff > I knew that Laura's gown was brown and black (did you know that she was a Famous Poet?) -- but how can you tell that the maroon lower sleeves on Lucrezia's gown tie into the armhole? Jerusha, the sleeve junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 16:22:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ULMJW5010188 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ULLVhR001787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULLKAP050518; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULLHSx050461 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051030212111.CWTF18995.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:21:11 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030151153.02a681e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:21:07 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200510301900.j9UJ04DX088690@net.indra.com> References: <200510301900.j9UJ04DX088690@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Bronzino X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for that information. It's what I needed to know. The book price isn't too bad (about $50), but what I'm looking for is a corpus of his portrait works with good color and resolution, so I think that I'll pass this one up. I have most of the paintings, but they're scattered around in many different books. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:44:35 -0500 >From: monica spence >Subject: RE: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 > >I have the Bronzino book, which is an excellent book, if you are >specializing in the period it covers. However, it is mostly about painting. >If you are interested in that, great. If you are looking for new costume >plates, I think that you will be disappointed. Most of the pictures in the >book have been reproduced elsewhere and frequently, at that. If you have the >portraits already and don't care for the painterly stuff... well, then >buying it is up to you. I remember it to be pretty expensive. > >Regards- >Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 16:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ULSvYO010284 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ULSPE0002307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULSONq053252; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:28:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULSL7k053178 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051030212814.GPYN6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:28:14 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030151323.02a6cc70@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:28:11 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200510301900.j9UJ04DX088690@net.indra.com> References: <200510301900.j9UJ04DX088690@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bronzino X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I think I have the Carpaccio. I'll have to pick up a copy of the Bronzino. Do you know of a good Antonis Mor van Dashorst (Sir Anthony More, Antonio Moro) volume? The only thing that I've found seems to be from 1934 published by Nouvelle Societe d'Editions, Bruxelles. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >My favorite Bronzino book (and they have a Carpaccio one, too) is by "The >Library of Great Masters" series. They are printed by the Riverside Book >Company. They are about 8 1/2" by 11" and softcover but have nice, big >color reproductions of the paintings. They are about art, but the >pictures are very nice quality. For example, you can see that Laura >Battiferri's dress is brown and black, not just all black (those who know >this painting, will know what I mean!) > >The Bronzino ISBN is 1-878351-52-4 >The Carpaccio ISBN is 0-09-470170-9 >And they have other good painters as well.... > >Hope that helps! > >Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 16:33:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ULX9n8010340 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ULWcrI002647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULWba2055124; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULWXdk055084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 74F89D4126; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98754D3F7B for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:23 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000501c5dd99$7d6c1fe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-132.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: vintage textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, that was particularly bright of me wasn't it? 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Here you go, Bjarne, and many apologies. http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 16:36:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ULauLr010388 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:36:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ULaPFw003050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULaO12056494; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULaKA7056480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.28] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9ULa4IJ011558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:36:19 -0500 Message-ID: <43653C80.3020006@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:34:56 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elinor Salter wrote: > I want to make a Tudor outfit for a 12th Night event in January, which > will be set in 1530's England. Ah! A woman after my own heart! > Mary Tudor by unknown (wedding portrait to Charles Brandon), 1515 - > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg > - What I want to take from this is the french hood, E House supplied a wonderful link: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ (thank-you--hadn't seen this one before) Search on Jean Clouet and you'll find tons of drawings of French hoods. They seem to wear them further back on the head than the English do, but that might just be the way these two artists, Clouet and Holbein, chose to deal with the tricky problems related to perspective. > Lady Guildford by Holbein, 1527 - > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg > - I like the fact that she's not a wisp of a woman. I like the look of > the foldback sleeves matching the rest of the gown, even though it is > plain, and I might end up using the idea of using a brocade trim around > the dress in case my time or budget won't accommodate the jewels. I'm not sure if what we are seeing is embroidery or metal ornaments. Personally (strictly personal) I would go without any trim at all if it was a choice between that and brocade trim. The woven trims always seem later period to me. I > also like the pleated false sleeves in that iridescent fabric > (especially in that it isn't tapestry). Is that cloth of gold? It > doesn't appear that her gown has a split skirt. I'd say plain silk taffeta. Holbein does tend to go overboard sometimes on sheen--one of his tricks for emphasizing virtu or status, perhaps (take for example the famous portrait of More with his impossible velvet!). For pleating ideas, check out the other portrait of Jane Seymour done by one of Holbein's studio painters. Her false sleeves are plain white silk, and her jewels are much simpler. There's also the full-length/back view portrait that looks awfully like Lady Guildford. (BTW she, or at least husband Henry, had an interesting history. I believe she was 27 when the portrait was painted.) > > Undergarments: > My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a > farthingale. A fairly stiff petticoat, or maybe two, should be plenty. The "More girls" don't seem to have farthingales, nor does the "back view" sketch. Some kind of stiffening built into the undergown, beyond canvas, is probably necessary if you want to get the smooth line. The main thing here, though, is to make the waist high enough. It takes a dive in the 40s, at least in the front, but in the 30s it seems pretty high. If you consider where the bend of Jane Seymour's elbow is it gives a good idea. If and when I get a chance to make another gown of this era I'd like to try cutting the front as a single neck to hem piece but make the back have a waist seam, then organ pleat the back skirt into it to get the rolls and fullness. I keep trying to think in non-modern draping terms instead of modern symetrical paper pattern terms. A smooth line in the front and fullness in the back could be achieved this way. For fitting, if you use the center front opening/stomacher construction you'll be able to draw it in, but make sure you leave yourself a way to take in the center back. You'll need to do that to keep the upper arm/shoulder section from getting droopy. (I learned this the hard way when I made my Tudor then lost 20 pounds.) > Overdress: > I plan on using red cotton velvet or velveteen - I know velveteen would > be more within my budget, but I'm not sure of the overall look of it > yet. Would it work well? I would like for the foldback sleeves to be > the same color of the dress, as seen with Lady Guildford, but I don't > see many other examples like this until later. Could this also be an > acceptable compromise for someone not of royalty? The front of the > skirt will be split to show off the "good" fabric of the kirtle. If I > have a train, it will only be a slight one. Velveteen is kind of flimsy. Cotton velvet is nice but how about a nice wool? More authentic fiber even if getting the exact weave is a bit harder, and it was certainly the most common fabric. Some of the gabardine's work well (the worsted simple ones, not the tricotine ones). Several of the Holbein portraits show wool with either a very fine fur or maybe even velvet underside turned back for a cuff. In a good quality print that I've seen of the Lady Guildford portrait there appers to be a nap to the turnback sleeve. Re: the poofs on the false sleeves/chemise question: though the jury is still out, using a fake undersleeve for the poofs seems logical, practical, and even authentic. There are places where the fabric of the poofs looks different from the fabric of the shift at the neckline. They would have had the same problems we have making the poofs stay poofed! Also, the tightness of the upper arm of the gown and the rectangular construction of shirts, mitigates against having a sufficient width to the lower shift sleeve to poof as it does in the portraits. Anyway, sounds like it's going to be a wonderful gown! Can't wait to see the pics (hint, hint!) - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 16:43:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ULhI2i010453 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:43:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ULgkc7003808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULgiQY059121; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ULgfEQ059070 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:42:36 -0800 Message-ID: <43653E95.1000203@msn.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:43:49 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2005 21:42:36.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[D79FE6D0:01C5DD9A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Your favorite Art website "viewer"-sort of OT, sort of not. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi guys, I'd like your input on something. I know this is a little off topic, but I figure through your constant perusal of artwork for costuming purposes you will have had some experiences we could all benefit from! A little background: I am working on this project at Arizona State University (ASU): Inside the Geesebook We are in the process of producing an interactive DVD with pages of the manuscript, music, videos of the church etc. I have been asked for some input on how I would like to view artwork online (actually on a DVD). I have a few favorite places online which use "viewers" to look at either artwork or products for purchase. I'd like to hear from you if you have a favorite place online which uses a veiwer you either really like (or really don't like) and maybe a few comments on what you like about it and what you don't. Here are a few I like: Frick Collection also see: http://www.zoomify.com/ Getty-Illuminations using zoomify (I like the overal presentation of information here too: Overview ) Lowes Product Display Lamps Plus Product Display Hermitage viewer Hermitage 3D viewer Web Gallery of Art Dual Viewer (Go to "normal viewer" from here) National Art Gallery (One of the best "focused" review presentations-this is how I want to look at art!) Thanks in advance! Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 17:44:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UMi0qY011108 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:44:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UMhRme009674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UMhPt1082849; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UMhMpe082832 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:43:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.147.134.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.147.134] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EWLtX-0005f9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:43:21 -0500 Message-ID: <43654C7D.9010406@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:43:09 -0800 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0543-2, 10/27/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think I will jump in at this point, seeing French Hoods and the like are not my strong point, but holding the Girls in place that I have a lot of experience in. What I would recommend and this is just what I would do. Seeing you are going to be doing the two dress approach, line the under bodice in a stout fabric, with a little stretch, Denim or a thick twill. Then line the outer dress in something stiff, Buckram or the Interfacing, and some bones along the front and sides, not too many just a few to keep things smooth. Also I would make the skirt on the under bodice out of again something stiff, or something that is easy to starch. Clear as mud I am sure. The idea being that the under bodice will help support the Girls and hold them in place, while the stiff outer bodice gives the line you are looking for without a lot of pinching and pulling. Sounds a little strange but I fee that is how it was done in period. Stephen E House wrote: > Large Snip > >> My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a >> farthingale. I've read opinions that say yes you need them and I've >> read opinions that say no, you can live with a stiffly lined bodice >> and a petticoat(s) and that evidence in wardrobe accounts didn't show >> these undergarments until after 1540-1550. If I can avoid the corset >> and farthingale with period justification, I would be thrilled, as >> this would cut a week off the project. I'm a size 28/30 woman >> (depends on the clothing) with only a C cup chest, so breast support >> is not something I have a great need for, but I do have a couple of >> fat rolls at my sides. Is this an automatic "make a corset" >> proposition then? I think my canvas-lined Venetians did very well >> for a smooth line when they fit (they're both currently too loose to >> provide any support) and I will have two gown layers. Anyone here >> have any experiences with plus-sized late period garb and corsets or >> the lack thereof? > > Undergarments: > > Studying corsets and their origins is another one of my passions, and > I can tell you with as much certainty as I dare muster about anything > without access to a time machine that they did notnotnot NOT use > corsets at this point. The bodice of the gown (or the undergown, or > both) was stiffened using various techniques, including canvas and > buckram. This is true well into the Elizabethan era, and the 'Tudor > corset' (read: pre-Eliz) as we know it is a complete fallacy! I > haven't looked into the subject of farthingales too much, but 'hoopes > from the wast douneward' were mentioned in England as early as 1519. > However, you can certainly get the look of the portraits without a > farthingale if you use a relatively stiff fabric in your undergown. > > Hope this helps. > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 18:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9UNZ1Ej011596 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9UNYW7S013875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UNYURE003259; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9UNYQ1k003236 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j9UNYMYH028540 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:34:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004001c5ddaa$7531e470$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:34:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 20:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V12CGB012790 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V11SCK021537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V11MXa038052; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V11JYQ038029 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m38.in-tch.com [216.166.191.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9V0s7M21979 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:54:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c5ddb7$842fb580$26bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5dd99$7d6c1fe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: vintage textiles Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:07:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, *droooool*! --sue, wishing she'd win that lottery sometime (of course, she'd have to *play* the lottery, but why interrupt a good fantasy? ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: vintage textiles > Well, that was particularly bright of me wasn't it? Not to post > the URL. Sigh. > > Here you go, Bjarne, and many apologies. > > http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 21:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V2Z3hR013940 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:35:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V2YUWu030744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V2YR3r076121; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V2YOkV076072 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.222.50] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.222.50]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <436582F5.2030306@msn.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:35:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit jacket another blue and cream References: <200510301049.j9UAn2dN006328@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051030072335.02db8160@mail.alltel.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2005 02:34:18.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[98093A70:01C5DDC3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen the red and gold one, but not this one: Gotta check it out. Object Jacket Date 17th century Techniques Knitted silk thread Artist/designer Unknown Place Italy Dimensions Length 22.5 in Width 14.25 in Length 15.75 in (arm) Museum Number 106-1899 Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > You may also like this one (a bit later) at the Victoria and Albert > Museum > http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSESSION_=&submit-button=search&search-form=main/index.html > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 30 21:59:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V2xoot014319 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V2xUnM032857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V2xRqr085848; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V2xKAw085784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-153-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.153]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j9V2xIIk014535 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:59:19 +1100 Message-ID: <00bf01c5ddc7$14d4d4d0$99d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:59:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Undergarments: > My first dilemma is whether or not I need a set of bodies and a > farthingale. I've read opinions that say yes you need them and I've read > opinions that say no, you can live with a stiffly lined bodice and a > petticoat(s) and that evidence in wardrobe accounts didn't show these > undergarments until after 1540-1550. If I can avoid the corset and > farthingale with period justification, I would be thrilled, as this would > cut a week off the project. I'm a size 28/30 woman (depends on the > clothing) with only a C cup chest, so breast support is not something I > have a great need for, but I do have a couple of fat rolls at my sides. > Is this an automatic "make a corset" proposition then? I think my > canvas-lined Venetians did very well for a smooth line when they fit > (they're both currently too loose to provide any support) and I will have > two gown layers. Anyone here have any experiences with plus-sized late > period garb and corsets or the lack thereof? You might be interested in my dress diaries on my Tudor gowns http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/dress_list.html I personally opt for a boned kirtle as I think it's a more versatile garment than a corset with separate petticoat and I'm also convinced from the way you can clearly see the kirtle and smock necklines above the gown's neckline (e.g. http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Mary.jpg). I chose to bone mine as I wanted the rigid noble cone shape, but if you'd prefer the softer line, which is still evident well into the Tudor period and even into the Elizabethan period (though the cone shaped bodice gradually moves down the social ladder over time) Canvas or other stiff fabrics will help keep the cone shape but without some boning you will not eliminate all the curves. As you are doing a 1530s gown boning the gown's bodice isn't much of an issue as the waistline has only a very small dip at the centre front which won't flip up when you move (a problem I've encountered with my 1540s gown even though the skirt is attached to it). > > I have my Italian chemise, but the sleeves are very full, so I will likely > have to make a new one. I plan on using Drea Leed's smock generator, > unless I find something better. I've heard something about the sleeves > being off, so I'll have to do a mockup first since I've never used her > generator. There's also a basic low-necked smock pattern on > vertetsable.com, but it doesn't use any gores so I'm not sure on its > authenticity. I personally used Drea's smock pattern but instead of using the tapered sleeves she suggests I used rectangular sleeves so I could have a little cuff sticking out of the end of my gown sleeve, however another alternative would be to have a tapered sleeve and sew on a separate cuff (in the portrait of Princess Elizabeth http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg you can see her cuffs are gathered into a narrower band underneath her brocade sleeves) > > Kirtle: > After looking at the evidence, I tend to agree that they wore two > dresses/kirtles/whatever you call them in addition to the chemise instead > of just a forepart skirt. Of course this will add more work, but I'd feel > better about it going this way - not to mention that the false sleeves > will be more secure and I really only have to draft one pattern with > slight modifications. I wouldn't make a decorative forepart a permanent part of the kirtle, at the moment I have a forepart skirt but it creates too much bulk at the waistline, the next one I make will be a panel hand sewn on top of the kirtle skirt so I can unpick the stitches and wear the kirtle without the forepart, however you could make your kirtle out of a nice fabric (such as a silk satin or taffeta) and wear it without a separate forepart. > > This layer will be a short sleeved kirtle, consisting of the "good" fabric > for the forepart of the skirt and top of the bodice and a similar weight > cheap fabric for the rest where it won't be seen. If I do a jewelled > neckline, it will be attached to this layer. I have no idea how this is > supposed to lace up yet - front, back, or sides (which I read as one > theory especially if the jewels go all the way around the neck). Unfortunately I can't really help you too much with where to lace it, except to say that front lacing is a bit obvious and creates lumps under the gown if you use a round cord, but there is also evidence for front lacing (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/aragon.jpg) > I am completely unsure about the "good" fabric to use at this point. Of > the portraits I see, either you have solid/tapestry or print/print. I'm > not a huge tapestry fan. I do have in hand more than enough ivory satin > of a suitable weight to use, but it is plain. I thought about maybe > couching/beading estoiles, which is part of my device, on the false > sleeves and forepart, but this sort of thing wasn't done at this time, as > far as I can see. Would going plain be such a crime or a plausible > non-royalty substitution? Any suggestions for a good contrasting or > complementing color to use? The Tudors loved gold, but I'm not the > biggest fan. Well, as you can see from this portrait http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/blackmary.jpg a plain satin forepart/undersleeves is also acceptable, If you want to incorporate estoiles into the dress you might want to see if you can find some small charms in that shape to decorate the neckline of your kirtle like you see with scallop shells in http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/aragon.jpg > > The false sleeves would be made of the same good fabric as used for the > kirtle, pinned or attached to the kirtle. If I end up doing a shiny or > iridescent fabric instead of tapestry, I'm tempted to pleat them, like > Lady Guildford's portrait. > > Overdress: f > I plan on using red cotton velvet or velveteen - I know velveteen would be > more within my budget, but I'm not sure of the overall look of it yet. > Would it work well? I would like for the foldback sleeves to be the same > color of the dress, as seen with Lady Guildford, but I don't see many > other examples like this until later. Could this also be an acceptable > compromise for someone not of royalty? The front of the skirt will be > split to show off the "good" fabric of the kirtle. If I have a train, it > will only be a slight one. If you're using velvet for the gown I'd use a brocade to line the sleeves (which shows when you turn them back) like you see in http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/portraitsetc/FitzalanMary.jpg and http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/portraitsetc/Mary1545.jpg as these two, plus the portrait of Jane Seymour are the only portraits showing velvet gowns I've been able to find (and as I can't obtain gold net like Jane Seymour's wearing I've opted for brocade, though I'm still looking for a period looking brocade that will match the colour of my velvet gown). However this portrait of Queen Mary http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marybrown.jpg might be velvet (it's hard to tell), in which case the sleeves appear to be lined with the same fabric as the gown. > > Accessories: > Jewelry will be simple. Since I don't really like gold, is silver an > acceptable substitute? I notice from the Mary Tudor portrait that they > didn't see a problem with mixing gold and silver. I probably will use > plenty of glass pearls. I will have the two standard necklaces and a > girdle, not sure yet about any brooches. I'll work on that after I finish > the dresses. A brooch is not absolutely essential, and a sash as a girdle was only just beginning to be old fashioned in the 1530s (if you look at this portrait of Catherine of Aragon http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Aragon,Catalina05.jpg you can just make out what could be the knot of a sash between her hands) > > My french hood will be of more of a curved design, but not overly fancy. > I'm not sure which fabric to use for my crescent, as I've seen fabric used > from the overdress, the folded back sleeves, or the forepart/false sleeve. > I guess whichever fabric I prefer. This is also a lower priority at this > point of the project. The hood could match your dress, but it isn't necessary and I'd be wary of using any colours but black white and red (though there's a miniature of Catherine Howard where it's so encrusted in jewels it looks gold). My French Hood is based on Drea Aleed's instructions but with a 'muffin cap' (also using Drea's instructions but with the front section cut to follow the line of the French hood so only the pleated gold ruffle sticks out) > > Stockings are an extremely low priority at this point, as I could live > without them, and I have some Mary Jane-style shoes that will pass. > > So, what do you think? I have done so much reading that my head is > spinning with details. I don't see a lot of recreation in 1530, moreso in > the 1540 range, where there are some changes. I wish I had more non-royal > sources as I really don't need to be that high of class and I'd like to > know where I can legitimately skimp on the details. I'm just looking for > some feedback and corrections as needed because I want to go fabric > shopping within the week. > > -- > Elinor Salter Well 1540s is popular because you have more portraits which are more detailed so it's easier, plus the fact that the pointed waistline emphasises the vertical which is often something 16th century costumers want. Once you've got started let us know how it's going and hopefully we'll be able to help some more. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 01:00:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V60ohJ016770 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V60HMX049223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V60DYB065754; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53215.mail.yahoo.com (web53215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9V60BXu065667 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37245 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2005 06:00:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IMXeyhdvBQRk7Vp8SaumrDgoajOFDJGsbTMDlZqo9ert8rmRWuER882u9LsJSu5d9GL1tRyvr1u5F5JtFvmADjTiM2GKX24PLuj25WKjx+eZByI6w1CBeTxlMgg2L7fWDAYjjgh1d5i6ENfVXBmqc6M1MpEBVaLUSXyQYhfT4wU= ; Message-ID: <20051031060003.37242.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.143.69] by web53215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:00:03 PST Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Robin! 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But some people may not be able to load it without a flash player. Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> This was just posted to the "Real Regency" list and if you like 18th >> century stuff you have to drool at this website: >> > > I wish people would stop posting websites that come up blank. This is > another one of those. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 04:28:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V9SkOZ018219 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V9S8iC074369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9S5mM044753; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9S1tl044697 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9V9Rsp09736.; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:27:54 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:27:54 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:27:38 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] So you want to be Jack the Ripper... Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9V9SkOZ018219 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 30/10/2005 08:11 >>> wrote: >Hmmm, perhaps look at portraits of Prince Albert, or >Charles Dickens? >Or how about the American President of that time >frame? >our fashions were probably close to England's at he >time. Neither of these gentlemen was alive in 1889. Prince Albert died in 1861, Dickens in 1870. --- Dawn wrote: > Does anybody know the size and shape of a man's > cravat c. 1889? Were men > even wearing cravats at this time? I'm trying to > find images of men's > outwear and not having a lot of luck at the moment. > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 04:31:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V9VQDU019340 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V9VBFb074471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9VBw5045837; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9V7ig045797 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9V9V0p10049.; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:00 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:00 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:30:50 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9V9VQDU019340 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> bmatney@alltel.net 30/10/2005 13:42 >>> You may also like this one (a bit later) at the Victoria and Albert Museum http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSESSION_=&submit-button=search&search-form=main/index.html Object Jacket Date ca. 1625-1650 Techniques Hand-knitted in silk and silver-gilt wrapped silk, and lined with linen Place London, England (possibly) Italy (possibly) Dimensions Height 61 cm Width 115 cm (with sleeves) Museum Number 807-1904 Wow! What a fantastic garment, and just my period... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 04:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V9mLeP023558 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V9m2HK075601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9m01D052128; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9lvcb052102 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 26F5834BD0 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:47:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:48:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051031000356.03a31ef0@mail.frys.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Didn't come up blank with me. 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(VPS 0543-2, 10/27/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ME WANT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, I have been hanging around my 4 year old too long! Stephen Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Well, that was particularly bright of me wasn't it? Not to post >the URL. Sigh. > > Here you go, Bjarne, and many apologies. > >http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm > >Regards, >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry >purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, >re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. >519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 08:36:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VDadOB021447 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VDaPsu005614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VDY4dq036402; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9V9jL4w050993 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9V9jGp11325.; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:45:16 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:45:15 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:45:08 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] "Glove marriages" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9VDadOB021447 Status: RO Dear all, A query has been passed on to my living history group from an amateur writer in the North of England. He has been given an assignment of writing a story about a 17th century Dutch girl who makes a "glove marriage" with a man in the Dutch East Indies, i.e. a proxy marriage in which the proxy carried a glove embroidered by the bride, the pair of gloves being reunited when the bride eventually joined her husband. He can't find any information about this custom except in one or two 20th century novels. What do folks think? Is it a novelists' invention? Surely by the time the glove had been made and sent on ahead by sea, the girl might as well have been travelling herself? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 08:57:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VDvPIU021768 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VDv4VN007323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VDsgE9045322; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VDsbjr045280 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 810049244 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:54:35 -0600 Message-ID: <008c01c5de22$a0e8c1b0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> <4.3.1.2.20051031000356.03a31ef0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:54:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> > I wish people would stop posting websites that come up blank. This is > another one of those. It's not blank, but the whole thing is animated and has music, etc. You probably need to update some software, or if you have a slow connection it just doesn't load properly. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 09:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VE282i021859 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:02:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VE0WRW007759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VDwC8C046874; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VDw8W9046844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:58:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.144.53] (dialup-4.249.144.53.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.144.53]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VDw4Uj007749 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: <43663161.8040607@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:59:45 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> <4.3.1.2.20051031000356.03a31ef0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051031000356.03a31ef0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> This was just posted to the "Real Regency" list and if you like 18th >> century stuff you have to drool at this website: >> > > I wish people would stop posting websites that come up blank. This is > another one of those. Kayta, this also came up blank for me originally also (black, with a big empty white box in the center). I ignored it and went back to email. next time I went into my web window, it had filled in and was flying butterflies. So... if you do have flash, it just may take a minute to download for those of us on dialup and you should check it in a minute or so after loading. I have a web entry page sorta like that as well: the photo is lovely, but it takes a few seconds to fill in (at least the clickable text pops right up!). -Judy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 09:24:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VEOdE9022158 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:24:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VEOC0o010358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VEOAFp059876; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VEO6B1059846 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.254]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1183B262852 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:24:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002b01c5de26$c791ecc0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the most deliscious 18th ..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kayta, I have a resonable connection 512 but i cant se it either. I also tryed to download flashplayer, but i think it is my antivirus programmes , that refuses me to see it. I have to go for coffe at an internet cafe, to se it ;-( Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 09:26:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VEQ8uR022184 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:26:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VEPr0d010550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VEPr4I060621; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VEPo73060568 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.254]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B76C047FE9E for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:25:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003001c5de27$0298db30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5dd99$7d6c1fe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: vintage textiles Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:25:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lorina, Thanks a million times, this was very nice to see, also the black wool 3 piece from 1780-90. Perhaps i should try and make this later fashion some day........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: vintage textiles > Well, that was particularly bright of me wasn't it? Not to post > the URL. Sigh. > > Here you go, Bjarne, and many apologies. > > http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 09:28:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VES6L5022211 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VERkdi010712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VERkxh061506; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VERhCe061488 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fe.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.254]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F397247FF0E for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:27:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003401c5de27$4bf51190$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:28:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chenilles et papillons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps someone could post an Url from the inside of the page, where there only are pictures? Those arrows you said i cant see either even i have uploaded for a long time Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 10:37:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFbEh2023328 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:37:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VFaS87017597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VFaNXE001823; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VFaGiZ001726 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:36:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:36:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:36:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660510271654k76e8e9e9v8ce64f7bc6f971f6@mail.gmail.com> <4.3.1.2.20051031000356.03a31ef0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the most delicious 18th century site Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2005 15:36:10.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1CDF760:01C5DE30] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>This was just posted to the "Real Regency" list and if you like 18th >>century stuff you have to drool at this website: >> > I wish people would stop posting websites that come up blank. This is > another one of those. It's one of those annoying Flash sites. I hated them when they started making them, and I still hate them now. But the pictures are worth it, for once! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 10:41:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFfrpP023393 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VFfJxu018334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VFfJC0005312; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav15.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VFfGDu005231 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:41:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:41:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003401c5de27$4bf51190$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] chenilles et papillons Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:41:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2005 15:41:10.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[84469870:01C5DE31] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Perhaps someone could post an Url from the inside of the page, where there > only are pictures? > Those arrows you said i cant see either even i have uploaded for a long > time > > Bjarne No no, there are no "only pictures" pages in there. It's all Flash. I wish they'd take the time to make a html page and give you the choice between the two. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 11:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VGOH1o024057 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VGLjsg024312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VGLdSq037164; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VGLZ0D036626 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Colleen.McDonald@comcast.net) Received: from 24.17.76.130 ([24.17.76.130]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051031162005013003vpgbe>; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:20:06 +0000 Received: from 192.150.22.150 (SquirrelMail authenticated user colleen) by 24.17.76.130 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10851.192.150.22.150.1130775606.squirrel@24.17.76.130> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Colleen McDonald" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress in Italian Painting available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wanted to let folks know that a copy of this appears to be available on Abebooks for about $137 USD. 1. DRESS IN ITALIAN PAINTING 1460-1500, BIRBARI. E John MURRAY, 1975, Hardback, 0719524237, COSTUME, DRESS, PAINTING, RENAISSANCE, GHOST OF PREVIOUS PENCILLED PRICE ON FRONT END PAPER. D/W HAS LIGHT WEAR ON TOP EDGE Bookseller: Anitabooks, Hereford, HWR Price: ? 75.00 (US$ 136.99) View or Order this Book: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=596653322&cm_la=want Happy hunting! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 11:43:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VGht0c024343 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:43:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VGgQVV027053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VGgBQE054062; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VGg4oq053926 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 768A41BCE2C; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:42:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.39.157.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.39.157]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B72281BCBDE for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:40:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0c0401c5de3a$177c78f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net><0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:42:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elinor Salter" > Are the sleeves truly ribbed? When I look at it, the ribs just look like > the folds from pleating to me. I'll have to look again when my eyes > aren't so tired. Definitely ribbed fabric, like faille or grosgrain. You could even tell how they'd laid out the sleeve on the fabric, because along the top of the sleeves the ribbing is pretty much parallel to the cuff edge of the sleeve, but along the slit on the sleeve's underside, the fabric is at a bias. Which fascinates me, because that doesn't seem anything like the most efficient layout! I'll be going back to the museum to look at their Lowlands section again before too long. If you'd like, I'd be happy to pick you up a postcard of the painting; with the help of a magnifying glass, you can make out nearly all the detail that the painting contains, and much more than any web image. (Mail me off-list if you want one.) Although, the postcard also does that thing where the chemise material at the sleeves looks much more opaque than it does in the painting. > I'm pretty sure it the rosary was red coral - it's too orangy to be ruby > and red coral was one of the favorite expensive materials. Too bad the > real stuff today is still expensive and I haven't found the substitute > dyed coral in large enough beads yet (especially not as large as hers are > pictured). Red coral is certainly possible, and would fit the history of the stuff. It just didn't LOOK like it in the painting to me. =} Either Holbein was having an off day, or (more likely) the finish and polish to red coral then was different than red coral now. Now, it's generally highly polished, but the stuff in the painting barely looks polished at all--more like wood or bone, or one of those nuts that they carve into beads. And of course, red coral is getting noticeably more expensive each year, like 15-20%! Although luckily, it's the light-colored stuff that's most popular rather than the oxblood stuff. And since I spend several happy hours staring at bead catalogs each week, now you've got me interested in finding the perfect cost-effective replacement, so I'll post on that when I do! > So do you think that the turn-back sleeves are a different material then? > I thought it looked the same as her gown fabric, but that's the problem > with black. I've since seen a few more images of turn-back sleeves > matching the overgown, but they're of a later date. I think I'm going to > go ahead and plan to do it that way. Given the black-on-black, I'm as sure as I can be... the turned-back inside of the sleeve definitely has a deep pile of some sort to it, but I couldn't detect a pile on the rest of the fabric. However, I can think of a couple of portraits (both by Corneille de Lyon, and I think there's one by Clouet as well) where the sitter is wearing a black dress and (at least from the web images) it looks like the turn-back is of the same fabric as the dress, so if I didn't have some velvet of the right color just sitting around waiting to be used, I'd use that. (And by the way, I do mean only the lining fabric of the sleeves looked like it had a pile, not the fabric for the outside of the sleeves--looking back at my post I might have been unclear.) > Thank you, thank you, thank you for confirming my greatest hope. Now more > about the stiffening - how would I construct this? My Italian dresses > have a layer of canvas on the inside with the fashion fabric on the > outside (no lining). Is this enough, or should I be planning for more? I > think I would prefer canvas because it would be a little easier to clean > when that time comes, I think. There are a lot of different ways... canvas would definitely be one of them, and a period one at that, so if you've had success with it for other styles I'd say go for it with this one. One thing I'd highly suggest is stiffening both your outer gown and your undergown, though not necessarily with the same technique, and not too heavily. Two light-weight stiffening techniques together work better and give more support than one heavy-duty technique. A trick I've discovered but have yet to document (though I have ideas! Anyone into Cranach style dresses, ask me) is to use boiled wool as a stiffener; it works much like a corded corset, and gives you very smooth lines. Just don't use it if you plan to wear this in temperatures over about 50 degrees, because breathable or not, that stuff gets awfully warm when it's right close to your body like that! >> In fact, looking at the extant chemises in my image collection, it's >> rarer to HAVE gores than not. ... > Really? That's odd. Is there anywhere online with those pictures or > patterns of the chemises? I can only remember one 16th or 17th C chemise > with blackwork offhand in Cut My Cote, which I'm not sure where it is at > the moment. Would the the sleeves of the chemise be poufy or tapered (I > thought vertetsable's was tapered)? At first I thought the poufs of > chemise escaping the false sleeves were fake and their chemise sleeves > were tapered, now I don't, but who knows, maybe they still are - I've > never had a lot of luck with forcing poufs to stay poufed out with my > Italian sleeves. Welp, see, as far as I can tell there was a switch between real chemise sleeves being puffed out of slits and fake poufs sewn in place to look like they puffed out. The problem is pinning down when that switch happened, which I haven't managed to do yet! =} I'm pretty sure it happened somewhere between 1500-1540, and therefore possibly in time for your dress to have the fake poufs, but I'm not positive; about the only thing I'm reasonably sure of is that it wasn't a universally-timed switch and there were all sorts of different things going on side by side for much of that time period. The practical reasoning behind the switch helps pin down the dating a bit, though, at least for a specific style of outer dress. In the first quarter of the 16thC, the outer sleeves on square necked gowns were loose all over, and the false sleeves (which were not universally worn, and not even necessarily false) were small and relatively fitted; though they were sort of puffy, they didn't really stand away from the arm. In other words, there's room for a puffy chemise sleeve under there, and if you were to pull that puffy chemise sleeve through slits in the false sleeve, the puffs would have your arm to hold them in place, rather than getting lost in the cavernous space between your arm and your false sleeve. In the 2nd quarter of the 16thC, the bicep part of the outer sleeve got much tighter and the false sleeve got much larger. If you wanted that outer sleeve as tight as possible at the bicep, you wouldn't wear a huge puffy chemise sleeve under it; it'd mess up the line. And if you wanted your false sleeve to have the effect of a puffy chemise sleeve, you'd have to fake it, because you got rid of that puffy chemise to make the outer sleeve fit how you wanted it to fit. So, there's a few different chemise options: the flat, tunic-like chemise as on vertetsable, which is more of a 15th century style (or at least, I can document it well for the 15th century, including the seams); or, the puffy gathered chemise, or a combination of the two. The combination style is mostly theoretical right now, as far as I know (though there's a couple of extant Italianate chemises that are similar to my theoretical garment). However, it accounts for the flat, square chemise neckline visible with some outfits that also show probably-not-false puffy sleeves, especially where another type of partlet is worn (suggesting that the flat, square chemise neckline isn't a partlet). Of course, it's quite possible that they wore two different chemises, or two different partlets, or two of each all at the same time. There are no extant puffy gathered chemises from England in that period that I've seen. The closest-dated extant western chemise-type garment I know of is the chemise/blouse displayed with the Mary of Hungary dress: http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/hungarian.html which actually does have a gore. There's also the Nils Sture shirt, which helps for technique stuff, but being male and high-necked probably isn't patterned anything like what they'd have worn with this sort of dress. There's a gap in extant chemises around your time period; then, there are several English and Italian late 16thC chemises that are very well documented. You may do well to copy one of the Italianate chemises, as the lines would work well for a combination-style chemise. There's one in this book: Ricci E. 'Italian Lace Designs 243 Classic Examples' New York Dover 1993 that's really well suited, but I couldn't tell you where exactly. Here's a couple of pictures of it, though: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/ricci1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/ricci5.jpg When I do c1515-c1525, I use a pattern I've come up with myself that gives a specific effect (lines of embroidery/trim that seem to radiate evenly out of the neckline all around) which is different from what you'd need for this dress, and isn't based on anything beyond 'it looks right'. Basically, my version has rectangles (or trapezoids) for each arm and for the body, but instead of putting the short end of the sleeves against the body so that the sleeve is perpendicular to the body, I put the long side against it, so that you have 3 parallel rectangles. I sew about a foot-long armhole seam on each side to connect the two, then gather the tops of all 3 rectangles into the neckband. Clear as the Mississippi river? If someone wants to try it, I'll put up a diagram. For anything earlier, I'd almost always go with a flat, tunic style, or at most a combination. If you go with fake poufs, then the flat, tunic style of chemise is most practical, since you don't want anything big and in the way. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 13:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VI8H02025729 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:08:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VI7cBe039268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VI7QoO024058; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9VI7JKF023922 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78734 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2005 18:07:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lzn9nGMpruH4EtvGCqqVx/o58AJtTueRtOhrvKEFyMLFz3er2M9ozTr9GqrOhJ/YlFL7rTJD7aFTf+RrUsHI6rj55N05+wei0n0DGwbcA/prMBiKt4QpT29HbyK8bUL+B0OvOMMuIfHEeT8nQN3lL0uc2DbZ9T5BamCd2kF5Sq0= ; Message-ID: <20051031180708.78732.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:07:08 PST Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] grey waistcoat embroidery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002d01c5dc9d$05da3590$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW!!! As always, stunning work! Covetously yours, Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Well, i know i said i had to waite with this till when i have finished the yellow dress, but i could not resist my lust to try out the mulberry silk threads i got. This is going to be a dark grey gentlemans embroidered waistcoat of 1770ies. It is vey hard to trace pattern to dark fabric, so i used my rice paper, reversed the pattern and sticked it to the backside of the taffeta. Then i used white sewingthread and small running stitches to outline the whole pattern. This worked fine, but it took some time to do. Here is one pattern repeat of the pattern. At the bottom of the page; http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/herreveste..htm Bjarne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 13:44:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VIie9S026369 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:44:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VIhxU8043894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VIhsaw053044; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VIhmLr052884 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.5]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051031184341.RSVF12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:43:41 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051031123449.02a6a7e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:43:37 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200510311621.j9VGLeSj037179@net.indra.com> References: <200510311621.j9VGLeSj037179@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dress in Italian Painting available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The book is truly excellent, but it is small (114 pages and with 115 b&w plates). Though it is frequently cited, there is some criticism that it makes excessive use of allegorical paintings. I would gladly buy a reprint at a more reasonable price. It is readily available via ILL. Beth Matney At 10:21 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) >From: "Colleen McDonald" >Subject: [h-cost] Dress in Italian Painting available > >Wanted to let folks know that a copy of this appears to be available on >Abebooks for about $137 USD. > >1. DRESS IN ITALIAN PAINTING 1460-1500, BIRBARI. E >John MURRAY, 1975, Hardback, 0719524237, COSTUME, DRESS, PAINTING, >RENAISSANCE, >GHOST OF PREVIOUS PENCILLED PRICE ON FRONT END PAPER. D/W HAS LIGHT WEAR >ON TOP EDGE >Bookseller: Anitabooks, Hereford, HWR >Price: ? 75.00 (US$ 136.99) > >View or Order this Book: >http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=596653322&cm_la=want > >Happy hunting! > >Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 16:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VL3P5B028693 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VL2Trc062846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VL2Npd063989; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VL2Hj0063926 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6205A3396D for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:02:16 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] chenilles et papillons Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:02:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <003401c5de27$4bf51190$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There isn't a picture only page. After you have go to the second page and clicked on Collections, there is a picture to the left and words on the right of the screen. The "arrows" or white triangles are the advance key to change the pictures. Printemps, Ete, Automne and Hiver are sets of pictures but the screen will have the picture box to the left and description on the right. When you click on each set, it takes a moment for the screen to appear. When you click on the triangles the picture will phase into the next. My computer says that the connection is "Done" but it takes about 30 seconds for the site to appear afterwards. Automne, maybe a little longer as they have the music. http://www.chenillesetpapillons.com/ Good luck. Hope this will help. De -----Original Message----- Perhaps someone could post an Url from the inside of the page, where there only are pictures? Those arrows you said i cant see either even i have uploaded for a long time Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 16:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VLtQnr029476 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9VLt197069497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:55:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VLsw8c005263; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9VLsqdn005123 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.242.4e60 (15700) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R39 (fwm-r39.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.143]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d54436692a0296; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:54:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:54:40 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7AC7CD440CE66-1274-1497C@FWM-R39.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:54:39 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.143 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elinor -- I'll let people more knowledgeable than I am answer most of your questions, but I thought I'd offer two links you might find interesting, if you haven't seen them yet: http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm This is kind of a dress diary for a gorgeous Tudor outfit that includes where to get patterns for everything, and most of them are available for free on the Internet. http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-just-arrived-fashion-fabric-cotton-velvet-fabric.aspx Fabric.com has cotton velvet for $9.95 a yard, which is no more expensive than velveteen. I don't know if that's in your price range or not, but they've got several interesting shades of red. Hope this helps, Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 20:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA116tWC032066 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA116Cx0091547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1166qB037365; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1163mQ037256 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58244 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 01:05:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N8K/jp2dPfbLRNeNb2v+ZrI50iHhUJXp3todAasks1W+Uuc5SPmIOrU9hNooEoHK1TnG3OK3xMUynpWzGONn6HRnYYP2wvDoqqPcs9QTlio1hycsuBzmOOM7U+hEGj72FfMphSJ3TignG+eWnALc/1CjM1Xkt+jm/LwdhvjMOP8= ; Message-ID: <20051101010558.58242.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:05:58 PST Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know there are members here that must sew for children - modern clothes. I am wanting to make a hooded fleece jacket for my friend's little girl and am having a terrible time finding a pattern that is sized right. She is currently wearing 12-18 mos. - but is also already walking. I have looked at the big three and found nothing suitable - either not meant for fleece or the sizing is wrong or both. Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific pattern I may have over looked? (replying off list is fine as my email filter usually sends those through without a problem) Thanks, Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 31 20:23:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA11N09m032275 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:23:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA11MZI8092803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA11MSnp045727; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA11MPPL045691 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so1009508nzf for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:22:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iDKLmFdRIlusq8GJnvVCNPgR61z4HV7/t6/Tzzl2nP4UYG/AQuR2aDTsJ1XjR3HpTfivAn92V/eIWBuynoShlztD0uHngmP2+nNoImMGHGbvUMvX0X69t7eayadBpYwVjVx4iD/4A3KEEbUvmQuneznz4KcPVyczQrhbUXAhNvs= Received: by 10.37.20.12 with SMTP id x12mr265281nzi; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.77.7 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:22:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:22:25 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA11MPPL045691 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] English Cut, a bespoke tailor's blog X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I heard this piece on NPR last week, only just now getting around to telling you about it. Here's the "Marketplace" URL http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/10/25/PM200510254.html The radio spot featured the blog of a bespoke English tailor. It's a charming read, and for those of us into fine tailoring, it even has the odd useful tidbit. http://www.englishcut.com/ --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume