From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 04:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA19sGFN011066 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA19re98032638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rZ4C057015; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rVK2056986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5E63FF05 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.435c578f.6f68d for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DZzsZ0NqXpQIAAAAB,8b2b63977cb95b96ff97a22b8f05dc74 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051101015329.20B32BF3@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested. But I would probably have to make sure that I mailed it no later than the very beginning of December - living on the other side of the world from most of our fellow listers combined with the Christmas postal rush could make its' timely arrival chancy, otherwise. ( And may still do, regardless. ;-P ) Joannah ( in Australia ) --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:35:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a holiday idea Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1Ai9Q4022030 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:44:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AhqHf042277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhpEe075264; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhkaE075190 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4aaaf3a6 (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4aaaf3a6.3098a0d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/31/2005 8:07:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific pattern I may have over looked? Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1AlSPo022375 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AlEgd043095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlFuk076488; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlCPn076442 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f5.5d84481c (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:44:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Their website is: _www.kwiksew.com_ (http://www.kwiksew.com) Look at pattern 3150. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 06:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1BBt3O026260 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1BBOXC049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBM7u085116; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBIsM085076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07A4D825B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 02807-07 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55888D8180 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006801c5ded4$f608ebe0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net><0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> And finally, one of my new favorites: >> http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ >> The search utility here isn't anywhere near as good as bildindex's, but >> it's got a lot of great paintings. Click 'recherche' at the top to do a >> search. The dating info on this website makes it hard to pick a date >> range, but if you're patient you'll find some great paintings. Of >> course, the paintings are largely French, but you can get some useful >> details nonetheless; the French hoods, if nothing else, are very similar >> to what was worn in England. I'd suggest doing a search for Corneille de >> Lyon (you'll get an option of him or of his atelier; look at both) as >> you'll find some great, detailed portraits from around the right time >> period. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -E House Thanks for this link! I've been putting off working on French hood for a while now---I had a sudden attack of laziness!-but I find it verrrry interesting (said in best Arte Johnson voice) that the painting of Catherine de Medici clearly shows a narrow white strap holding on her hood. My hair is very soft and slippery, and normally trying to keep on a hat of any kind drives me nuts and makes me cranky, so anything that makes it easier is welcome. Dianne back to look at more pictures! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1E7UtQ008760 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1E6sfm074571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6mRT066562; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6iRY066456 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A66B0234; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:06:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 14:06:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1E7UtQ008760 Status: RO Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. Comments? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:27:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1ERkRl009128 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1ERLAX076569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1ERJT6077740; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1ERDNj077664 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13547 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101142259.01cfebb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:27:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet pattern needed - modern (O.T. sorta) In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathleen's recent mail has reminded me that I would love a pattern for one of those crochet hats that are so fashionable. Here they are in heavy "wool" with a cap back part, and a brim, like a butcher boy cap, or what we used to call in the 60's (God I'm old!) a Donovan cap, or like you see in Dickens costume dramas on Oliver Twist and so on. Anybody any ideas? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:43:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1EhBR9009322 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Egnnr078037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Egj0H086523; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1EgfRI086472 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24458 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 06:42:08 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24447, pid: 24453, t: 1.0803s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 06:42:06 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:42:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:07 AM 11/1/2005, you wrote: >Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the >development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used >in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool >into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to >tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct >documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any >case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. >Comments? > >Kathleen This subject has come up numerous times (and on other lists) over the years. Unfortunately, the earliest evidence I've ever seen for crochet is sometime in the 1820s. There are no surviving examples that pre-date the 19th century. It was popular during the mid-late 19th century to claim ancient roots for many forms of needlework; Warren and Pullan are not credible historic sources. What has been claimed to be crochet from "ancient times" has turned out to be naalbinding, which can have a superficial resemblance to crochet or knitting but is made in an entirely different fashion. The earliest patterns I have found are for fine thread work done in imitation of more expensive lace. By the 1850s patterns were available for wool work for hats, mittens, vests, and shawls. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F1RDV009623 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F12G0079584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0s5d096595; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0nQG096501 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:00:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AC23A0:01C5DEF5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Thoughts? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:07:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F7JfF009739 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:07:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F6pkM080149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F6np2000267; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1F6iFj000105 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40113 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:06:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. Suzi (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:14:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FEMGB009901 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FDjss080811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDeqo004425; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDZL3004338 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00L0E7LD1UE0@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:49 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <20051030114422.w2208a7g0v8kw4k4@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most late period sleeves tied or buttoned into the armhole. That puffy (shirred) sleeve is attached to the gown, the undersleeve ties under it at the armhole. It is a practical consideration also. A woman could have a "new" gown with the addition of a pair of sleeves! BTW-- I've done this gown (gown: black wool and sleeves:maroon wool) The sleeves have mega pieces... Yes, Luara was a very famous poet, married to a famous architect who worked for Duke Cosimo I de Medici of Florence. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 Quoting monica spence : > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff > I knew that Laura's gown was brown and black (did you know that she was a Famous Poet?) -- but how can you tell that the maroon lower sleeves on Lucrezia's gown tie into the armhole? Jerusha, the sleeve junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FHgmu009977 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FH5tI081151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH4m8006670; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH1tE006576 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.166]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A32D95EE054 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:16:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c5def7$529c98d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:17:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, Yes i will confirm what Suzi said. Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the linning, and make lace holes in each side. I have this in all my period breeches! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of > what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are > some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). > When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they > fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and > sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them > binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My > problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't > tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat > embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep > them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is > possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since > I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FejIG010432 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FeLGD083777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FeK90022537; 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Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0c6601c5defd$3d151090$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:59:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: Thai Silks website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thai Silks is taking a survey to improve their website. Since I'm constantly frustrated by the lack of information, the lack of good photos, and the inconvenience of their sample system, I'm hoping to get as many people as possible to fill out the survey so that they'll fix what annoys me. =} http://www.digisurvey.com/login.php?u=thai&p=silks Not affiliated, yada. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1H2wUq011792 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1H2NRo094140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H28TY003729; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H1xti003543 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD18A3CEEF for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:02:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HDLT3011986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HCsaq095527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HC1Pm011669; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HBsKd011494 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4ab3b701 (4560) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4ab3b701.3098fbcc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 10:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the lining, and make lace holes in each side. And for future pairs, make the waistband in 2 pieces, with a seam at center back, where you an leave the opening, then put in the lace holes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HQYah012230 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HQ2bj097264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HPvMF022307; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1HPsQa022212 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56158 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 17:25:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5b/gU6Tb1UOSEGRM5mAEIUxsYCh7X403BwKx2NeWAKhTyQIoBqr2GrtPG4BxIKRtkgoA9k6umQEJCFI8/PgjT+KadJJStxMnbjIPUy/1sApRMZCy+6UHWe1rLS21D6BqzdAfbqBDSrf2+9Nn+UO0YPqlNa/6WO2wPnB1WghMcWs= ; Message-ID: <20051101172547.56156.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:25:47 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Sorry for the very late post. I'd love to participate and as for time periods, mine are Anglo-Saxon - Viking and 1870-1915. Not sure what else you need from me. I must have inadvertantly deleted the 'e' that explained what info. you were specifically looking for. Chris G. Dawn wrote: Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. You will have received a confirmation from me if you are "In". If you think you signed up and did not get a confirmation, check your junk email, and if necessary, re-send your address and introduction. Everyone who is signed up will receive their exchange assignment on Wed., probably in the evening. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JDUvU014091 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JCxQp013148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JCsRf011473; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Cp2E3030446 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4AD0298; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 12:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c5dee3$069b2320$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:51:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ettiquite question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JDUvU014091 Status: RO Not quite costume question, but can anyone point me to a source that documents or refers to the social occasion of women leaving the dinnertable and retiring elsewhere while the men continue their after dinner conversations, etc? I have always understood this was a Victorian convention but am now being told this was also the "Thing" in the 18th Century. When did the post parandial begin? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:15:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JFada014150 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JF4Q3013541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JEt7D013368; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F07mO096021 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00EAI6ZSRP2N@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:52 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <004001c5ddaa$7531e470$6501a8c0@Duncan> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JGCBf014173 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JFmQT013852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JFisi014080; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FgPj5023873 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA1FZCM03080 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:35:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004b01c5defb$c5eb0ac0$64bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's similar to what I have to do with my ItalianRen dresses that are made of linen. I scootch up to a friend and get them to help me tighten the bodice lacing (I can't reach). Doesn't do much for the "drop" I've experienced with the skirt, though, the times I've worn them in the summer, and gotten them damp or wet, and had the skirt "grow" several inches....;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: > >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area > >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders > >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the > >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > > Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > Suzi > (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:35:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JZwfR014591 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JZWMc016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JZTtu029557; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1JZGMK029422 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBYRS4NA6J7XSJ for (sender ); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:36 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K8RB7A8C; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:33:36 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-15 80 X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051101.113336.21710.55883@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2dbd1d41bd1da5491da559ac69a125e10de9a1199c850d7d193179ec19456d78002800213ca5011d0049ed0d9c6d41dc0c993531b9852cc9f97528b98185f5e9b928eda9355db995a9edd8d8 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wp68GVwydFQFjwpJKb4UvlPhfaB9Y4krw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.165|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JZwfR014591 Status: RO When the Medici exhibit was in Chicago, the Art Institute hired several of us frm Bristol's Guilde of St. George to do Italian Renaissance Court dances (in full kit of course) as part of the entertaining for the gala opening. After our performances were done, we all got to go thru the exhibit- after the paying patrons but before most of the public. Of course we were all fascinated by the portrait of Elenora and her son and we were all clustered around it cooing and ahhing over all the details we could finally see. After a few minutes I noticed that the gallery was very quiet and I realized that all the patrons had moved back against the opposite wall and were standing there watching us with rapt attention. I also realized that we must have made just the most incredible picture ourselves- a group in full 16th century court dress, still partially in our characters, in the midst of all the 16th century objects. Wish I could have gotten video of it. Karen Seamstrix -- monica spence wrote: Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 16:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1LwanE017121 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Ll020032807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1LgGki028539; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Lg8BM028340 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:40:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:40:56.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0BF9690:01C5DF2C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Suzi Clarke >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be the only real answer. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA209PcT019355 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA208SQ7055398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA208NVZ045167; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA208Hfq045083 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67983 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102000302.01d09cb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:08:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:40 01/11/2005, you wrote: >>From: Suzi Clarke >>Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >>opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >>18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >>I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >>century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > >It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible >to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's >possible that may be the only real answer. Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie? I feel sure I have seen a buckle and strap on the body of the breeches, not just the waist, but can't call to mind if they were a pair of court breeches from the 19th century, or a pair of 18th century. Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside of the waistband, also to give grip. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA20Uls0019748 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA20UP7E057431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UKIk058522; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UBCX058424 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 08:30:07 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:38:13 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How long is your shirt underneath? If it is as long as it might have been in period times it should also help anchor the breeches up. Is it cotton or linen? Linen has more gripping power than cotton IMO. And don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of suspenders....... Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, at 02:00 AM, Marc Carlson wrote: > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to > keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, > which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem > really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 20:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA21mQXv021115 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA21li8D064281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21ld0f098154; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21lWGt098108 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lGam1lmJGIW+xs/wuRRs93xCRSySjd6tIy+AOlQI1UxXPcl1a53BDuP7CB6Ci2Ff; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.18.224] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX7is-0005Pk-Bm for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:31 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:47:36 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXZk6YYBIRtVhZHSBCx8dzrSRaQvgFu6CDg Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120762d80684c09f7cd0d85c08ff224244323e8b68dc13c4fd4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.18.224 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to forward without permission but, it looked like some did not know where to sign up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends November 1st. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA235c4Y022414 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2356wg070309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2351wN033370; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f30.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA234vka033316 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[34536B20:01C5DF5A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23YomQ022838 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23YVQd073216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YQ4B046099; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YIqX045993 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 11:34:12 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate > coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The > pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at > the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23d2Mt022907 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23ca9E073697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cZp4048185; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f40.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cVAW048101 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[E26077E0:01C5DF5E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I appreciate it! :) >From: A & J Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 > >I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". >Regards, Aylwen Garden > >http://www.regencyreproductions.com > >YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where >>the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:48:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23mmdG023038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23mVqJ074276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mRUE052424; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mNut052364 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E39F3CEEE for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:48:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks something like this, http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. Dawn A & J Garden wrote: > I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > http://www.regencyreproductions.com > > YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The >> pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at >> the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25j8DB024505 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25iApM083711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25i0LM003085; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25hs2K003038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 13:43:36 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:51:41 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback early edition - but everything inside is just the same. I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg Cheers, Aylwen Dawn wrote: > It looks something like this, > > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > > find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a > Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" > > Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > > Dawn > > > A & J Garden wrote: > >> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >> Clothes". >> Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth >>> at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25pR88024594 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:51:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25oSxr084207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25oQN8005701; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA25oMS9005627 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 05:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rbVEc7TxmDdb4yiPKBOViz/5HdSuwOqAIju59Q/8zdSr9FiiZTtNDq6GJtQDLuUM7hhR3MaFhoXHoqa7Da99XkZ7LGYr7g+mtEo1sg5R+YPvrqP+fBB2InXTELVIU8ntAlwYAn57qHlgOGQZS0aiIi2WOotARS6celvS4F8ZpC4= ; Message-ID: <20051102055016.19321.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:50:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: children's sizing - very OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Kim and Ann - that is perfect! Annette M >>Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific >>pattern I may have over looked? > > > >Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 01:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA26wRRk025493 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA26vd8S089517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vYX5035677; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vUqj035478 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD4806B0:01C5DF7A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much! >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 > >It looks something like this, > >http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > >find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps >[sic] with pagoda sleeve" > >Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > >Dawn > > >A & J Garden wrote: > >>I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>Clothes". >>Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >>http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >>YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top >>>where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 03:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2855a2009283 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA284WMI094283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284T9S064766; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284OZt064719 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CF331915D for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:04:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:04:19 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051102080418.60CF331915D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I used that pattern for my Captain Jack Sparrow cotume. And a pattern from I think Sinmplicity for the size. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18man/Jack/Jack.html It worked quite well. A & J Garden wrote: > I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback > early edition - but everything inside is just the same. > I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Cheers, Aylwen > > > Dawn wrote: > >> It looks something like this, >> >> http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm >> >> find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a >> Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" >> >> Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> A & J Garden wrote: >> >>> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>> Clothes". >>> Regards, Aylwen Garden >>> >>> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >>> >>> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay >>>> smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 07:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2CfWR8029079 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2CexHA028993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2CerID068190; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2Cemtt068139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-50-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.50]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jA2CejFN025530 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:47 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So, what do you think? I have done so much reading that my head is > spinning with details. I don't see a lot of recreation in 1530, moreso in > the 1540 range, where there are some changes. I wish I had more non-royal > sources as I really don't need to be that high of class and I'd like to > know where I can legitimately skimp on the details. I'm just looking for > some feedback and corrections as needed because I want to go fabric > shopping within the week. > > -- > Elinor Salter OK, I've been looking through my files and for an example of a 1530s non royal portrait I've found this 1536 portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole by Hans Holbein (I couldn't resist it as it's so close to my own name) http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/1536_Widmerpole.jpg it shows a definite wrinkle beneath her bust which shows that unboned bodices are period. This sketch of Mary Zouch from the 1530s shows the French Hood as worn in England at that time http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/maryzouch.jpeg (as the 1540s style of hood is slightly diferent as is the French version and the only other reference is Anne Boleyn) I can't work out where I got these images from originally so I've put them up on my website, apart from the wrinkle under the bust the portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole is very similar to the portrait of Mary Boleyn I posted in my last message http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Mary.jpg and in all three the kirtle's neckline is not decorated (if you run short on time or money to bead your kirtle's neckline). http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/h/holbein/hans_y/index.html and look at Holbein's sketches (though only a few of them are on this site, I used to know a site that had all of them but I've changed computers and haven't transfered my favorites yet) These are all the non royal 1530s portraits I can find, but if I come across any more I will let you know. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2E1BYc030405 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2E0ZM4039439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0V7f005421; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0Qne005358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA2E0OjG031549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <4368C636.9040800@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:59:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein at Portland, was re: Planning my first Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good news for Holbein fans in or near Portland, Oregon. NYTimes has an article today on the current exhibit at the Portland, Oregon museum of Art: "Madonna With Basel Mayor Jakob Meyer and His Family," is on view in the United States for the first time in a widely anticipated exhibition at the Portland Art Museum in Oregon." (That would be this one: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 "The show, "Hesse: A Princely German Collection," provides both a rare public glimpse of one of the finest private art collections in Europe and an indirect primer on German laws governing cultural patrimony: six paintings in the show, including the Holbein, are on that country's list of "unexportable national treasures." Also mentions some 15th century Flemish tapestries but doesn't specify. Runs through March 19. Full NYTimes article at: (free registration may be required to read article) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/02/arts/design/02hess.html?pagewanted=2&th&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1130938652-nNlXwHi5AgBqUkb/wV7oDA Information about the exhibit at: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 catalog and links to some images of the objects - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EJAFM030747 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EInPn040720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIlgW014718; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIi6Z014640 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AABD0144; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:18:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c5dfb8$73975040$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had occasion to tighten such construction of the back band and solved the problem by cutting the back band at equal distance to the center,remove about an inch from the slit areas and rejoin the band ends. Since there is usually some ease already at this point, your re-adjust the gathers and should get a better fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EKKkP030770 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EJkHB040822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJkqW015280; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJeKm015178 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AAF60174; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:19:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5dfb8$92e3b420$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, the last message attached re band adjustment was from Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EU4Is030984 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EThHg041605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETg54020514; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETbu1020410 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.235.2af012 (16781) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <235.2af012.309a2745@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/2/2005 12:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Great pattern Looks 1740s I made my pirate coat more like 1700-17-teens and used Norah Waugh. There's a justicorps where the side back comes out at about a 90 degree angle from the CB piece. No actual pleating required, it just falls into folds. Very easy to make but not a full as the pattern you posted....but still looks great. There's plenty of fabric. The cuff on the sleeves is real too...not added. The long bell shaped sleeve actually folds back and buttons to the upper part. The pocket flaps [and pockets] are low down on the coat. Very easy to make _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 10:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2FBa2H031710 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2FB8DX045158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB4D1045216; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB25W045194 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 10CC2B6BF; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.5.85.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.5.85]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03202B561 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:13:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 12:36:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2Haf5w001870 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2HZrOb063690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZg1s059822; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZbXZ059706 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:35:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:35:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:35:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 17:35:34.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4295820:01C5DFD3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: Suzi Clarke >Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, but I'll have to start looking at that. >Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two >pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and >slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. >Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside >of the waistband, also to give grip. Another possiblity, thank you. ------------------------------ From: Garden >How long is your shirt underneath? Knee length, Linen. >...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as >you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist >and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of >suspenders....... Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm thinking for this very problem :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 14:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2JLL4P004031 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2JKlnc076844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2JKeXi048161; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2JKVIB047868 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102191513.01d62f68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:20:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:35 02/11/2005, you wrote: >From: Suzi Clarke >>Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... > >No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, >but I'll have to start looking at that. > >>Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone >>two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of >>course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give >>"grip" at the sides. > >I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict >stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. > >>Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the >>inside of the waistband, also to give grip. > >Another possiblity, thank you. > >------------------------------ >From: Garden >>How long is your shirt underneath? > >Knee length, Linen. > >>...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same >>problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up >>higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although >>I'm starting to think of suspenders....... > >Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm >thinking for this very problem :) The earliest genuine trousers with buttons for suspenders (English translation - braces) that I have seen are c.1830. There are earlier ones, c.1760-1810, but as these, though genuine, are from a theatrical context, I cannot be certain that the buttons were not put on at a much later point in their history. Trousers buttoned on to upper garments were, of course, worn by late 18th century boys - the so-called skeleton suit. And 16-17th century hose/trunks/breeches were laced or hooked to the upper garments. It seems odd that only the 18th century breeches were intended to be self supporting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 17:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2McETv007814 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2MbRqP003891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2MbKQA010997; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2FK7Qu051038 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58986 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 15:19:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qkxmrn0sAOCi5nVrKhuZT7pn7Ytmjsyx/fHxxuKHtJQ63PgiIpNU0p6RO2sShvr4IwbPEIGTq0PF9TY62j3GfdrojkSBi4iC87abdpctl+XIWkQOF2HXCeiiPLuWXKY6U9eJVJlbB7Y8PUD5aCt0idCrSnwLSR7dlseXzndv1Q8= ; Message-ID: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:19:59 PST Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... E House wrote:I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 18:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2NVssh008672 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2NVSM3017343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVKll053110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVFId053053 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 82486203FA; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.3.20.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.3.20]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 827DF2034B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:33:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 23:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA34Acp2013074 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA34A1lv050326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349sFP013110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349ppp013047 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21C3CEF9 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:09:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43698D8F.1080209@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:09:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] attn: Lynda Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynda, Please email me your address for the Gift Exchange. I don't think my mail to you is getting through. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 08:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Dmnm0023901 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:48:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3DlspC012820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3DlnQ1078905; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Dlidb078820 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: <436A1548.5080607@msn.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:48:56 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , Dawn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 13:47:39.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[27CEDF50:01C5E07D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we have a lot in common! Good match Dawn! Sg I have posted this to the site too Dawn, I figure if I have this question, so will others. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 09:24:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3EOMha024976 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3ENvpY022285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENtEJ000471; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENpgl000410 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 42BFA5EE0AC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 10:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3FrRb3031680 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Fqpi1043906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FqkAo057499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3Fqfvx057328 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37592 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 15:52:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IIOa/CZpLBly7ar5yneZjcISXiwUZhnd7E6fhyTCVXByV2eEKkyD6whJhY3m9Uow2+LNNYs2JehLkoqNgP8VLEIl+7RRpJyFuofazUumyksUUgl12tdsI2XKBN+f/upivsXIHVf111TKvs+zpp+PRGFxCSre4dDCXvUHf0RVshg= ; Message-ID: <20051103155235.37590.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:52:35 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Morning, No, sorry I don't. I can only suggest that you call Chris. He WILL call you back even if it takes a day or so. He's very good about that. Also, don't be put off by his nonstop talking :) The man has far more energy than one person should have and gets so excited about all the projects he works on. Feel free to cut him off and ask questions :) E House wrote: Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:16:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GGDg1002761 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GFYSS046796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFPh4075021; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFEaM074846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.164] (pool180-164.patriot.net [209.249.180.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA3GF3up012056 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >like we have a lot in common! >Good match Dawn! I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking once the gift-giving is done! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GJ38J003274 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GIWTk047153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GIUZ0077389; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FAVeA028832 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6126E3CEF3 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:10:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like > we have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GfUTU008196 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Geuvo049997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeoUM094630; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeMte094354 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EC5DC1ECE37; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.198.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.198.120]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 28DCD1ECCDC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:39:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d6601c5e095$6da05460$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:41:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we > have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! I second the question (great match). And since I'm now realizing how scanty my intro info was (I also like beads and jewelry-making! a lot!) I expect whoever got me might want to ask at least something or another. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HYAPR013597 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HXXC9058484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXQNG038608; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXLn7038515 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27914 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Carol Kocian wrote: > >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds > >like we have a lot in common! > > I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the > gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking > once the gift-giving is done! I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:41:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HfJ6K014445 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HefRI059588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Heclw044710; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HeWF8044551 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28017 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens > jackets, are embroidered with? ... > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. Warning: You can spend hours here. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3I2Fgj016501 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HuFPR061859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Hu2n9057656; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3HtsmW057478 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46506 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.214.16 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 17:55:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051103175401.01d0ec58@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:55:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:23 03/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have >wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver >spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? >Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what >things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of >such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute >couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you >ever ben to paris and found such places? >Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > >Bjarne Try http://www.creativebeadcraft.co.uk/pdf/BeadcraftPriceList.pdf#search='Ells%20and%20Farrier' or http://www.debbiesiniska.co.uk/beads/links.html You may not know all the people on the links page, although I am sure you know Ells and Farrier. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:19:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3IJYbx018456 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3IHQZl064892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0j4D061747; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0YPt061511 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.104.46.28] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:00:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 18:00:21.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[74F4B2F0:01C5E0A0] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong email address. >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 > >WickedFrau wrote: > >>So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we >>have a lot in common! >>Good match Dawn! > > >You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. > >I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit >cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more >info before chosing a gift, feel free. > >Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:25:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JPQra000301 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JO72I074658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNnCk029742; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNeNE029621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9562338F2 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Reply: http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 0-900-000 These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site back to see if you were really meaning circular or not. Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time you may browse their site for other goodies.:) Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JSjHQ001385 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JRa8m075142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRZhK032539; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRTXH032361 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:27:16 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:26:59 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin ===================== Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something about the period? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JhVq0003468 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JbiOn076843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbdAI040918; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbUig040697 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29173 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good > choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? Tee hee. Just did. It took me a while to figure out who, though. I don't pay much attention to post-1500 threads. I think I'll also take a spin through the archives. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:50:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JogdS004036 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JnteZ078243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JnldO050150; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Jnd7m050035 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EE2185EE05A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the > mens > jackets, are embroidered with? > Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things > i > mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for > sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with > Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found > such places? > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > > Bjarne > > Reply: > http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 > 0-900-000 > > These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site > back > to see if you were really meaning circular or not. > Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time > you > may browse their site for other goodies.:) > Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 > 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JqiP7004167 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Jq1T5078475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpqtY051836; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpkZ4051776 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD0B47FE9F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c5e0b0$0d982d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am going to do that two, and i hope it is allright to do this. New period, very exciting to try it out! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now > I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- > since I can't post my questions to the list! > > --Robin > ===================== > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 15:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3KUcfN007963 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3KU3TO083797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTwbb082785; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTo2Y082675 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 336CA3390F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:29:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. De -----Original Message----- Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 16:26:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3LQAHh016688 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3LMnUf092156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMhfu026111; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMX2t025903 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9102F4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:22:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 21:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:23:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3M1W11022974 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3M0xtj099644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0rER056416; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0loo056229 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.183]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051103220040.SFOB28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c5e0c2$4cba9260$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emery boards for fingernail filing work very well for delicate things like this, I use them for smoothing out the edges of plastic jewels and glass shisha mirrors for dance costumes. Added bonus, a pack of the disposable ones is usually very cheap. Sheridan > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3MDGub026098 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MCpCW001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCiRT065398; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCYTT065202 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EXnJu-00051c-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:12:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Mw604030203 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MvhfJ009688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Mvdwg000796; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MvWnh000663 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.25d.1cf20a (48624) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From some curious folks, myself included. Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? Thanks. Nancy On the Norsefolk list, a gentleman posted to ask whether the "Viking and Saxon" commercial costume patterns at http://www.caliverbooks.com/general/patterns.htm were worth buying. Has anyone seen these patterns? How accurate historically are they? Was there any documentation and if so was it any good? Were they easy to use or not? I'd like to solicit feedback that I can take back to the Norsefolk list. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NjAbP032644 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3NiRvr018588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiOq1036621; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiJFp036563 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B791836081 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:18 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The stationary punches don't work real well with metal. What works to a degree are leather punches, dies and stamps. Smoothing the edge is recommended as the edge cut and will cut fabric, embroidery floss and your fingers. And it not cut snag you fabric and embroidery, as well as prick your finger(s). Emery board, metal file or dremil tool works. You don't have to do the whole thing, just where it is sharp. -----Original Message----- Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:49:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NnGq7032721 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Nmqfe019896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmpZb040322; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmkCN040165 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA3NnGq7032721 Status: RO hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Nq68a000324 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Npju2020545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NphZl042732; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NpaDT042593 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A282019C; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:51:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 23:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c5e0d1$a7f587c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have probably saved me another hour of tinkering. I am quit amazed at the new tools for dealing with paper and wish someone would produce the same sort of thing for textiles! I remember the discussion on re discovering pinking tools and could yet hope that historical costume interest would come up with something that would more than "DO". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: > http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm > > None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. > > The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. > > Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. > > If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lloyd Mitchell > Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently > the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and > have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the > fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins > will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a > problem. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > > > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the > edges. > > > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi, > > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > > I looked at your link and found this: > > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th > century > > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA405PuI000621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA404s8U022783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404pK1051570; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404k6v051499 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017004025F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.92ee9 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDaqWd2DoaXQIAAAAB,317296a0696f618db57d1e3b1db7eda3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:14:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40E415001683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40DhI2023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40Dg7k056916; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40DdoY056843 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.189 ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005110400132901400qlaoce>; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:13:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.189; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 Message-Id: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings everyone, This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt. Thanks for any assistance. Roscelin BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40SdNh002058 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40S8hg025633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S5Rt065752; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S1ec065683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32541 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:39:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40dXrR002276 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40dBec027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40dAs5072256; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40d76X072162 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.208.d6038f2 (15703) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57436aad9d2f3; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:38:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:39:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40dXrR002276 Status: RO Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. Would appreciate any help and/or input. Thanks all, jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lalah Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:41:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40fcnp002344 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40fNNO027201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fNmZ073453; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fJSM073384 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE290224; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:41:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 00:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40s9JA002604 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40rWAI029085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rTPk080051; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rQxZ080023 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so162469wra for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HfzI3K+LzrsFrq9imQF2MGft4eHErP/w9kJeSbh+BO0SOYDdpOAFlx/yVB7DsG4ZY7QUqA7n1CKO6F/L09/kt2SdkTiOxGtsDfQHol9LRSyE7CgRuqz5ULnYb9Q61oMSUV1eEms9y9MlRnvTMlYw0EXF8H2GJCfChNN3+Q8rX7o= Received: by 10.65.107.11 with SMTP id j11mr1211547qbm; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:53:25 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40s9JA002604 Status: RO > > > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites > on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the > coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Draw the outline of the coif on the linen. It is one piece. Then put the embroidery design on the coif. If you are willing to use modern methods, cut out a piece of tracing paper in the shape of the coif and trace the developed design onto the paper with a transfer pencil and iron it on the outlined coif. Or if you want to be period, draw it on (cartooning) on draw it on butcher paper and poke holes in it and sprinkle charcoal in the holes. I recommend the first. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has > like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the > coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? You can use this, but I use medium weight even weave white linen. Either way, I line it with white linen. I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how > to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt You can count threads on the coif and shirt, or on the shirt you can use waste canvas. Instructions come on the package and you can get it at Michael's. 14 count is the most common. That means 14 stitches to the inch, but you can get a higher count (smaller design.) Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40sXZY002619 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40sGSd029170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40sGUB080499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40s0HT080329 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5199 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:53:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5175, pid: 5191, t: 1.5276s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:53:32 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40uIH7002647 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:56:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40tooT029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40tov0081418; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40tlpJ081391 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5597 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:55:20 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5589, pid: 5590, t: 1.3066s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:55:19 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165400.03099940@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:55:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09 010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:13 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote: >Greetings everyone, > > This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done > samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and > do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found > several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should > do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the > blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the > fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces > of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy > regular even weave linen fabric? > I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've > figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any > other part of the shirt. > Thanks for any assistance. > >Roscelin > >BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan >patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a >pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. The best way to do it is to outline the coif on your fabric; put it in the frame and work your pattern. Do not cut it out until you are done with the embroidery. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41PZKN003200 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41OwLk036718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41Otox099139; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41OpXq099034 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.230.4d7f52 (15898) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a436ab8531a4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:24:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B28F9.000003.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:25:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41PZKN003200 Status: RO I will contact them and see what they have to say. Thank you, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Joan Jurancich Date: 11/03/05 16:54:29 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41SXoA003242 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41SHM6037305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SGEi001005; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SA0A000925 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.2dccee (16112) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef0436ab9201b9; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:28:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B29C5.000005.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:28:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41SXoA003242 Status: RO Thank you but we have never heard of this particular sewing machine and we are curious about it's age, you happen to know the year it was made? And yes we will have a look on ebay. Thanks, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 16:44:07 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41VQoM003295 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41V5jQ037644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V4oS002537; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V1ma002462 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.4fef2f9b (16087) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7436ab9c832e; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:30:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:31:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41VQoM003295 Status: RO Hello, can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? thank you, jessica & vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:37:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41bGec003382 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41ax2M038362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41av6W005653; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41aqYg005589 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m91.in-tch.com [216.166.191.91]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA41Tbn23864 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:29:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00fc01c5e0e1$26782a80$5bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:43:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen it on any of the SCA lists I'm on, that I recall. Will be glad to forward.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. > > As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's > Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I > promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's > a preliminary class list up at > http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html > > I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, > the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century > V-neck gown. > > Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 > for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister > by Nov. 9. > > If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know > the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. > > And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, > and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm > in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture > brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41dnn5003443 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41dW8s038681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dW1f006914; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dQtO006839 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.119]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2005 09:39:21 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:47:28 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> In-Reply-To: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 21:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA42h6ZF004667 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA42gRKV048207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gMwT037413; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gHpX037326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44Ev5V010219 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:14:58 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:43:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 23:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA44GLHK006408 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44FhOh059362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FZLh079480; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FRxw079404 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a4.434a529e (3890) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 00:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA45IiJL007327 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA45HW5Y067134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HQGC008134; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HM5o008045 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AED90284; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:17:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 05:17:08 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 01:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA466knr007766 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4654Xi071694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4651L0029778; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA464vNF029714 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E48F3394E for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:05:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA464vNF029714 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Petty Chapman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe petty chapman is also a "title" of someone who sells small items. Sadly all the sites that I could find that sell petty chapman patterns don't have a picture and on one site they say that it is a book and not patterns. -----Original Message----- On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 02:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA47MqA7013910 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 02:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA47MPAr078994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA47MK3C062349; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA47MH83062318 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45868 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 07:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iTe+vXat8rgzsw9vwVLZ6aRetMQUqrd8AHj714XOne2Ou/l60YEe6B+zH6owsxSe5Uk/GBtyo3/xY571fPN+/JT5p2nJ6naRLpD7784wS1JVbS/RBM/y33/lkAkxiUThXFyuWl4LfEqLmWAw6QyohmKR0ppuoLl3ZN4+HgPGKTM= ; Message-ID: <20051104072212.45866.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:22:11 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMts079850@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wish it wasn't so far away from me - those sound like exactly the ones I would want to attend. Annette M Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 05:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4A5SaA018067 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:05:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4A512E010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4w54023912; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4nrH023840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id D97C0849AB; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE6846D9 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:16 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000a01c5e127$310ee100$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMtr079850@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-132.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4A4nrH023840 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Use regular evenweave linen, of the best quality you can find. Use a filament silk thread. Mark the coif pattern on the linen, allowing yourself at least a 2" border all around. Mark on the embroidery pattern; however, if you can do the outline of the coif and the embroidery marking all in one go that's best. Don't fuss about the embroidery transfer being washable. In period the cartoons (embroidery designs) were marked in blue India ink and thus indelible. For the shirt you can choose to appliqué or work directly on the fabric. I'd choose the latter. Bind the edges of the fabric with a twill tape to protect the edges, then stretch on a roller bar frame, not a hoop. Go nuts. After you've finished embroidering unframe the items, cut them out and hand-sew together. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4C2SHe012089 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:02:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4BuoJN020487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BuknG064802; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BudO9064696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7A11CD578 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 32395-02 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C40A1CD566 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be > Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. > Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the > site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. > > They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or > findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > > --Robin > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but I already had the pearls. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:14:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CEucn012281 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CEbOM022818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEaHI071096; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEWbM071051 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a7.432e8822 (48552) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.432e8822.309caaa0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 EST Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Caliver books (run by Dave Ryan) are regulars on the UK re-enactment trading scene. So is Petty Chapman (Dave Rushworth). I've never used any of the patterns sold by Caliver, (I cut my own), so can't say how accurate or otherwise, or how easy to use. Did once use some of Dave Rushworth's patterns once, at a customer's insistence - will never do it again. Over complicated, and seemed to be completely arbitrary whether you got instructions or not! I worked it out, but as I cut my own patterns already, I'm pretty advanced - anyone with less experience may have problems. Have heard that others have had problems too. These are of course, my personal experiences, and others may have had no problems at all, but just thought I should mention it. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CWai5012632 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CWDUx024202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CWCvT077908; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CW7wB077821 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e8.1fabefc0 (15901) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d436b54ba3ca; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC562.000003.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:32:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CWai5012632 Status: RO hi Aylwen thanks this is worth looking into, as i am now starting work for the first time on crinolines and hoopskirts thank,s jessica -------Original Message------- From: A & J Garden Date: 11/03/05 17:39:47 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CYPZ7012696 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:34:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CYADl024427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CYA72078844; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CY6UY078774 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.dc.31a69f8d (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5523231; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC5C8.000005.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:34:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CYPZ7012696 Status: RO hey hun thanks i will have a look into thias as soon as i have 5 mins to spare hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cheryldee@aol.com Date: 11/03/05 20:16:26 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECDAU014526 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EBhep034268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBeET020043; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBaH9019977 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:26 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the recommendations to use linen and draw the pattern for the coif directly onto the fabric. I would recommend regular linen from a good fabric store, slightly heavier than a weight you might be using for the shirt. I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very commen. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration too. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECf9a014539 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4ECLB5034372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4ECKYx020372; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBgdt020048 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06262 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and > spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but > I already had the pearls. You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to $450. (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even hundred and the 10 percent discount.) This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 strands is still 50 strands... They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. --Robin jeweler on the side _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4EH4jF014643 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EGkON034822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EGjN0022758; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CZJFw079351 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.74.60501d96 (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5578356; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC4F5.000001.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4EH4jF014643 Status: RO hey kathleen , thanks for that, it will be useful, ,as i am starting crinoline dress making for the first time as such, and its not like my usual sewing work, so all you tell me i absorb, thanks jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 21:18:25 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:59:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ExTqN015637 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EwiOx039262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4Eweuf045503; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EwaCJ045390 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:58:27 -0800 Message-ID: <436B7764.8090707@msn.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:59:48 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vovvie@msn.com, "h-costume@indra.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 14:58:27.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[366291F0:01C5E150] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Attention Yvonne Schnyder-H-cost list wrong address X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Yvonne, it is not clear who you are adressing this to. Dawn, me (Sg), or the list? YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong > email address. > > >> From: Dawn >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 >> >> WickedFrau wrote: >> >>> So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>> "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >>> like we have a lot in common! >>> Good match Dawn! >> >> >> >> You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >> completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. >> >> I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a >> bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you >> need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. >> >> Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out >> today. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4GCBeY016911 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GBT7a047542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GBPsx095655; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4GBLqJ095600 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15940 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:10:16 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could help me...... I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's through the 1800's but it is more expensive. I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not sure if the price is reasonable or not. If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I will do so. Happy Sewing, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Guuhv017754 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GuUGs054093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuQNJ032053; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuO7B032011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so332181wra for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MguWN7jJFkOW303Ew/To6VnbmzlJgw9IdmNItX9HAJp4bkUh5SVA5Ksnzy5ku4Vka3xTv0Kupn0P+OF6+rZJrPMfZVllVS07VP8JedEBOYkM619dwWuXwSAQJUc5COEbCsyaRyL2p7CDBcSsMFLGqv+k8g8N0OUDurfYG6rf/uQ= Received: by 10.65.241.14 with SMTP id t14mr2311494qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:23 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4Guuhv017754 Status: RO > > > I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a > counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). I don't recommend this as the pattern could become way off. Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted > patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very > common. Holbein, or double running stitch is much more common outline stitch and more authentic for a simple design. For more elaborate designs braid stitch etc. If you aren't much of an embroider I recommend the Holbein.You can find good simple designs at www.blackworkarchives.comand http://aeg.atlantia.sca.org/index.htm can give you patterns and refer you to other places. There is a referal page on each to sites with period patterns. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. > As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration > too. I recommend it. I'm a member. Also look at the photogallery for ideas. -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 12:30:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4HU8wC018479 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4HNDFF058069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN4JY052088; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN0Ai052022 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24788.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.136]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8955447FE89 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:22:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5e164$68359b50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net><436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:23:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Diana, Silk taffetas comes in 2 main types. One is heavy weaved, very stiff and stout, and another is much lighter. So it depends what you want to use it for. I would say that the thinner quality, is useable, for bodices jackets and the likes, if you interline it with a stiffer fabric. The heavy sort is my ideal for costumes. Skirts drapes very beautifull with this. Prices varies a lot here in Denmark. I can easy pay up to 1000,00 kr. wich is about 160 dollars a meter. This is a very fine silk shop, and you pay extra because they have a huge amount of colours and different kinds of silk fabrics to choose from Another cheap fabric shop sometimes have taffeta, but it is a lesser fine quality, but the same weight and stiffnes for about 25 dollars. Mostly they only carries the colours you choose for bridal wear, different whites. This sort has some weave faults, but only little. Finally i found another shop wich sells this fine quality for 350,00 kr. wich is about 58 dollars, but they only have a little colour range. Happy sewing to you two! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4J7rsS020595 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4J6La2072053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J6Bo7029771; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J2abj027011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so313663wri for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QCVkYmrRjDTaHhAF+YWzHHUdA261AVlupDGCzaHL0prtqD7HTnZH+TIdZrx5ST1sCnEYjB1FtC14Bl6Z74DB77M3gfNjequ41yx+N/mgKAy6vd2R8XmpPwAq7uQvPZXIEMBf53Ku2b6BY+aR7/3yGxbf2vbVrt15QsiM4q0DIjk= Received: by 10.65.240.7 with SMTP id s7mr2473834qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.10 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4J2abj027011 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:20:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4JK0m0020880 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JJbwW073480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJWQR038948; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJRXo038847 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246B6210187 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12422-01-97 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76658210186 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a401c5e174$a489fe10$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when > there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to > $450. > > (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even > hundred and the 10 percent discount.) > > This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have > learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 > strands is still 50 strands... > > They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. I actually felt guilty spending that much--we are on a VERY tight budget, which is going to get tighter, since we just were told that we need to be out of our house within 30-60 days. (No, we didn;t do anything wrong. The house is owned by a mall company, and they are going to demolish it to put up a sign.) And my husband found out Monday that the radio station he works at was just sold to Cumulus. So, I think my fabric and gem buying is going to be severely limited for a while! (Thanks heavens I just indulged my wool yearnings recently!) Anyhoo, I considered just passing on the girdle for now, but I've been wanting one for a long time, and I plan on entering this one in the East Kingdom A&S comp at 12th Night, so I need plenty of time to get it done!! I haven't ordered from South Pacific yet, though I drool copiously over their catalogs. Just waiting for the mailman to come to the door... I was so good, and so focused--I wanted to make garb, and only garb. Then I made friends with a jeweler, and a spinner. Now I want to make the jewelry for all my garb, and spin and weave the wool, and use handspun silk as laces for my gowns..ACK! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Jd0e9021353 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JcNxa077371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcK9Y053499; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/zSY3jTTW+uAtj9ljJjmpHI3s2QdZ9gSI@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcDNd053421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA4JD1Od007806 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:01 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jA4JD014007804 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20051104191300.GA7696@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta (Diana Habra) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dupioni (or something similar) was sold historically, so it CAN be used. Here's a website about that: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/silk.html But to answer your other questions, I like shot silks. I'd like to pay less than $15/yd for an 18mm taffeta. Kate > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 17:57:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4MvBJo025325 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4MuaGX006516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4MuQcN004062; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4MuNhw003962 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75375 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 22:56:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zx/Xk7zlyKX/oXuweTIjHgYrI49/hYrCBTEzLveOuine7h9EC1C9fCeGFreVEpMfT1Gs8pT9RQQHyxtn64PJlWsEuw9RVOSpuVzY/GOFADEjAq6lT3EtQH9HGYuc1M5om98fB8q9Zy/v1z741wHqdX1DI4ScX66SFzGoNYp2UKc= ; Message-ID: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.27] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:16 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 04:27:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA59RLpM021353 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:27:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA59QS6E080046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QOIc088697; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QLJs088634 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 7.1b8.1f9bd503 (57365) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 EST Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP (retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of lower labour cost). (That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 05:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5A9uMC030640 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5A9UFi091857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5A9Tx8008889; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA5A9OJF008836 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 10947 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051105100620.01d76c28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:09:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta In-Reply-To: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> References: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA5A9OJF008836 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:26 05/11/2005, you wrote: >I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP >(retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. >if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of >lower labour cost). > >(That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) And how much you buy. It's always cheaper to buy in bulk. Also if you are buying by mail order, you have to factor in mailing costs, and the iniquitous VAT which goes on these as well as the goods. (Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please mail me privately if you have time.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:33:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BXrDg016810 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BXKoh005033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXF3Q047341; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXBRi047258 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.4f1596 (15877) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e05436c986928; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D0914.000001.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:33:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BXrDg016810 Status: RO hey ann thanks for that advice, yes i fully understand, i personally prefer the older machines to the latest modern stuff, somehow, as they seem to suit me better hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Ann Catelli Date: 11/04/05 14:57:56 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BeRJr017897 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:40:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BZJRk005318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZJgo048343; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZFi6048276 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.50096736 (15864) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8436c98e0312; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D098C.000003.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:35:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BeRJr017897 Status: RO hi cynthia yes thanks that will be useful, as i am now embarking on hoopskirts for the first time, and i expect to make a few disasters on he way this link will be really useful. thank you hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cin Date: 11/04/05 11:07:24 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 13:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5I6GxX012537 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5I4H5c079552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5I4BvU091524; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5Hj7io082479 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5HbxLs010267 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:46 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on the best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger in Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and will be pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of construction is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough not to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the "hips"? Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I used the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I take it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume or even peeked inside one! Thanks Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60HL5K018472 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60G10P029793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ft6w044490; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA60FpkP044432 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92624 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oSG9zQyylj2zNDS1W9E8wST98gtWubMYGJJVYY0P6CqlHmALo9p0DsJgu7RnremscBfPSyiSeOnCSCL+n7+obl2JJu+GvohD0jXF5DlElZoLjvtrbrtp6p8VezHmgDXMT4J6Y0yz1bPN0Ym/4e/1Oa3RvadfGAjLPl0un+J+5IQ= ; Message-ID: <20051106001545.92622.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:45 GMT Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] UK silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >(Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please >mail me privately if you have time.) >Suzi I'd love to know too - if it is ok, could you tell me too?! Pretty pretty please. Katherine de la finding reasonable wholesalers thin on the ground. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60J9qS018499 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60IprM029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ipo9045623; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60ImNN045578 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA263CF00 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:18:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4C02.9010300@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:19:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Hoover wrote: > The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. Sounds like a tent. And for cheap tent supports we used to use plastic plumbing pipe and connectors from the hardware store. Goes together like tinkertoys. The thinner piping should be bendable, to a degree. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:24:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60OAXM018569 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60NoOT030346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NlrT047618; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NiHM047559 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E1C3CEFD for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:24:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 20:43:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA61hnw5019789 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA61h5Z6037754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61h2eD079434; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61gwx8079346 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9B0250; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:42:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 01:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 21:36:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA62aGSn020505 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA62Zh3J043672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZdV4002001; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZZkJ001968 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A8B236154 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist or no waist. I found this comes close to a late 20s. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T I=20009&page=1 This one is weak but passable for 20s. http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 20s style http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 013&page=5 Passable http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T I=20003&page=8 -----Original Message----- Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 22:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA631k5L020915 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:01:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA631O2p045439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631LZV011110; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631HLG011035 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDE03CF02 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:01:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern doesn't have that option. I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA654lON022618 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA654FgU054269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA654Bak054054; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6547XK054014 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEC00258; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:04:00 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:05:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same pattern... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65GfEs022813 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65FuVr054935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FtnE057865; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FpbC057835 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1800264; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist > or no waist. > I found this comes close to a late 20s. > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T > I=20009&page=1 > This one is weak but passable for 20s. > http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 > 20s style > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 > 013&page=5 > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 > > -----Original Message----- > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65KIBn022915 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65JtUb055180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jttw059240; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jn4i059187 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26E0224; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:19:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c5e291$d6e20880$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:42 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Having just caught the 'occasion', the last Vogue is a good choice, I think because it does treat the hips in the manner that evolves from the simpler columnar line of the 20s. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65X34o023168 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65WclH056145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Wb8Z064005; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web40429.mail.yahoo.com (web40429.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA65WajN063972 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10854 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 05:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3SasEZSu6UAgNO66Lw92iWr9xCjw+XvN4rRuqK6nmJ1RGsI1pf11Irp+HFgD3VZLOtakDjKb3L8/BdJZtccOblzEAvsQcZJrVKHJ6mgomWhG/Zs7GI05M9MI1TQrf3dFGnA69oPBU0ecBaQ2LE/tz8aQjqsnuN0WlmLg+XStd4= ; Message-ID: <20051106053230.10852.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web40429.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:32:30 PST Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511051900.jA5J0HFs016007@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Mother Ginger costume for my daughter's ballet company has a frame made from plastic plumbing pipe (the white kind, about 2-3" in diameter). It's a very large pannier shape, which is attached to a suspender-type contraption. (We have a very tall woman to play MG, she also wears platform shoes.) Our MG can hide about 10+/- kids under her skirt. The MG dress is in two pieces, the skirt which is attached to the framework and the bodice which MG wears. The skirt has a basque to slide under the bodice to make it look like one piece. Hope that helps... ~mary > From: "Kathy Hoover" > Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger > > Hello all, > This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... > Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on > the > best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger > in > Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century > oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. > (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and > will be > pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of > construction > is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough > not > to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the > "hips"? > Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I > used > the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I > take > it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? > > I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume > or > even peeked inside one! > > Thanks > Kathy Hoover > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA673B5j025396 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA672ggX061409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ceZ095023; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ZWZ094996 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 528E53393F for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was suggesting patterns to Dawn. The first one does come close. I am in the planning stages with this one. The lining will be black satin with a red semi opaque material with black flocked(?) tendril design for the outer part. Trying to decide whether to have the vee at the collar the red with a black satin insert or a black satin vee with red insert. It's been a loooong while since I created sleeves for a sleeveless dress pattern. Anyway, the McCall's as I said is a weak design for the 20's but has elements akin to Erte'. The butterick is similar to a dress from a late 20s fashion plate. (Sorry, don't have a URL, was just working on a design more then looking to make it authentic) The underdress in the plate was a bit shorter and the sleeves were slightly different. The last Vogue has darts in the overdress and zipper in the back which I have yet to see in a 20s era dress. The underdress is great. De -----Original Message----- If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA67hEQC025975 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA67goHO063935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gmc8009159; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gjSE009133 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E53C634D06 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Look what I found 1934 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=x&T I=20006&page=2 1928 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2535=x&T I=20006&page=3 1931 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2241=x&T I=20006&page=3 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FEfHa013840 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FE17j003745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FDvpg058258; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FAKSg056997 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839233CF02 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:10:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E1CFA.8010808@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:10:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 Oooh, yummy! Thanks for the link, I wouldn't have thought to look at Vogue. I love the lace overlay and that it has a sleeved version. I get cold with exposed shoulders. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:27:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FRMU5013948 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FQvAf008881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQuDW062975; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQqaO062928 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E4C3CEF0 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:26:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E20E0.5030109@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 15:14:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6KEnk6019382 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6KE1AF035348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDrnr082232; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDlUC082193 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYqtd-0003a9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <6001025.1131308024986.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you looked at FolkWear? I just put the Monte Carlo dress-- http://www.folkwear.com/264.html --up on stage on Lucy, in a 'twenties production of Dracula. In ivory satin, with ivory chiffon for the overpiece, it's very 'twenties, very slinky, very wow. I'd imagine those qualities would persist or even intensify in other colors! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Sent: Nov 6, 2005 10:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 02:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA77b2Xc006281 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA77aPo1092857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77aKu2057458; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77a0Op057323 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107073512.BMZI29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:35:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> From: Max Callahan Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:34:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 03:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA789MYU014595 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 03:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA78925P095653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7890S8071772; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA788u7L071747 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C8B5EE04F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:08:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Debbie, Gosh this must be an unknown bodice to us! I have never seen or heard of it before. Also beading and feather pattern, is very interresting, and pink two. My guess is that it looks similar to the pale blue bodice of the London museum. It is a joy to all of us, that events like this still is happening, to fill out the gashes of mystery. Yesterday i was at an antique fair in Copenhagen (huge one) and found a german costume book, wich i never have seen before. Its from 1919, and even that the black and white pictures are lousy, they are very valuable to me.There is a drawing in it of the caraco jacket in Köhlers book, both the front and the back, and a striped redingote with huge buttons from the late years, and and........ Most of the costumes, are german from collektions wich dont excist any more. The eldest garment is a mans italian renaissance doublet, with multi puffed sleaves. I never saw that either, it is mid 16th century and the book claims it is a mixture of the italian and spanish fashion. Title of the book is Kostümkunde für samler. Thanks for posting this, i would die to se a picture of that bodice, and i hope it will be sold to a museum, so that we shall get more informations of it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance > and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 07:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Cs3H1001031 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7CrJmZ032294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrGXk077601; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrBV7077581 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.146.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.146] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EZ6Un-0002nN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:50:31 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 08:59:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Dx14g001791 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7DwIIx038690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwFXK007018; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwBkh006961 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EBF355EE042 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c5e3a3$62cd18f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net><005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Could it be because the bodice was sold last year, and they have then removed the picture for more bandwidth? What happened to the bodice, who baught it? I think the list is very quiet, are everybody making hooliday gift exchages? I am, almost finished with mine! Bjarne who cant postpictures, it is a seacret you know! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this > item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. > Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect > either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " > I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said > there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to > locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GFtZ9004466 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GFGPc053691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GFAsl090758; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA79CJJ5096039 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jA79C3H11474.; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:12:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:12:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:11:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA7GFtZ9004466 Status: RO I would love to see a picture of this. I see it was more than a year ago, but I've never heard of it before. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mcallahan@cox.net 07/11/2005 07:34 >>> Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GH6tS004480 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GGhK5053879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GGfY8091995; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DNmUV090923 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:23:42 -0800 Message-ID: <436F55B6.1020305@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:25:10 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 13:23:42.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7949BA20:01C5E39E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You did better than I did. I couldn't find either the folder or the bulletin board. I just registered for the site too. Waiting to get confirmation. Melanie Schuessler wrote: > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of > this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA > Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts > section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through > the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be > "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS > folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > I ju _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GHWnn004487 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GH9O4053974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GH8q3092355; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DfPVN098071 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A97F0190; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Nov 05 13:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:42:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long > distance and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if > they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:24:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GOqxl004724 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GOQF6054931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOMWS098083; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOHDU097954 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <436F8005.4030907@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:25:41 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 16:24:12.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[B05B4920:01C5E3B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they decide! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 12:46:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Hktb6006228 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7HkGrM066783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7HkA4J065997; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7Hk4CO065862 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <436F932F.4020901@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:47:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 17:45:59.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D1AF140:01C5E3C3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Picselect no longer has the images. I have sent an email to the Dept. of Media, Art and Sport to see what else they can tell us. I'll keep you updated. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further > information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they > decide! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 14:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7JrHiJ008201 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:53:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7JqgKZ083766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqZ2i069134; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqUjw069060 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EZD2b-000B1v-7r for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:52:29 +0000 Message-ID: <7GVcBACBB7bDJwhg@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:51:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The bodice is not a fantasy, since we have a government press release saying it has been held back from export (I don't believe everything the government tells us, but I don't think press officers make things up that are so far from the headlines). Since the owner is not identified, I would guess it is from a private collection and may never have been displayed or referenced. The "picselect" site seems to belong to the Press Association, so maybe they just put pictures up for a short time while they are current. Jean Lloyd Mitchell wrote >Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) > > >I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source >for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are >interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that >this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and >'feathers' as a design feature for this period. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Max Callahan" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM >Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > > >> Hello all! >> I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across >> an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know >> more about. I found an article on the net ... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/brxjg >> -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ >> archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... >> >> It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design >> of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This >> sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing >> from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less >> pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a >> temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the >> bottom >> of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long >> distance and >> I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if >> they >> have updated info... >> Hopefully, one of the links will work! >> Thanks for any help, >> Debbie Callahan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 15:38:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7KcsPL008900 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7KcMua090671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcHs9006584; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcADo006340 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107203715.MJEI776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:37:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Max Callahan Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:36:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the quick replies everyone! I'm fascinated that there may be this newly found piece out there somewhere that might add clues as to construction and technique. Makes me think of a Costume College I went to and Sally Queen was teaching. She said something akin to the fact that every time she made a new discovery about costumes that it felt like Christmas! I so agree! : D I hope that if this is the real thing, it turns up where we can see pictures of it ...(hopefully yummy close-up ones) -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 17:20:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7MKcL8010545 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7MJrAv021321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJnHa091471; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJiSu091411 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPL00JQBVCB2ZV1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:19:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <436FD56D.9030205@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >Look what I found 1934 >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=x&T >I=20006&page=2 > > > I used that pattern for my CC22 "Think Pink" entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks & eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 18:34:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7NYxRK011733 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7NXu48039786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7NXjLW049848; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.198.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7NXdMn049672 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter76.comcast.net[204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051107233319014006f147e>; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:33:19 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:33:18 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:33:18 +0000 Message-Id: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 19:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA80PpLc012476 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80PR6k049406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80PNJD084232; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA80PJpI084189 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 2853 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 16:24:57 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2841, pid: 2844, t: 0.7992s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1162 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 16:24:56 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:25:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:33 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's > costume. We are needing to find patterns for these > items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us > in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >Roscelin If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 19:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA80rJWl012840 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80q9Ik051736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80q6oG098276; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80pxK3098166 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD83CED2 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:51:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436FF6CC.1090602@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:52:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > I found these easily with a Google search of "_______ pattern". Also: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/ Looked like an interesting site for your friend to take a look at. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:05:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA834un2014467 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA834Rt2063950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA834DI6064540; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7N7Dsf029075 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.123]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051107230707.CMGU12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:07:07 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051107170011.02a46ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are a limited number of copies of NESAT 6 available from Lena Falk at the Archaeology Dept of the Goteborgs Univeritet even though it is listed as out of print at the bookshop: http://www.hum.gu.se/ark/. You can contact her at lena.falk AT archaeology.gu.se Hope that this is of interest. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836BQT014487 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA835vTr064244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA835vIV065447; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80AiBv075811 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.27] (206-124-5-27.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.27]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jA806v921087 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:06:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8b6d8be554c5fa05e237bb12492d0380@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:10:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think Folkwear still has a pattern for hakamas. Sylrog On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:33 PM, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. > We are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, > and hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it > would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836LW2014491 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8365RV064277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83647J065510; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80l6vw095581 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA80lrjN013482 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:47:53 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA80kq52151250 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:46:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051107164502.03331090@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:46:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's costume. We >> are needing to find patterns for these items: hakama, manchira, and >> hitatare. If anyone could point us in the right direction it would be >> greatly appreciated. Thanks! > >If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. http://www.folkwear.com/asian.html #112 Japanese Field Clothing #113 Japanese Kimono #129 Japanese Hapi & Haori #151 Japanese Hakama & Kataginu CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836PvN014494 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836BE1064301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836B9W065570; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from skunk.apca.gc.ca ([205.206.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA80vvF2001708 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Anita.Campbell@pc.gc.ca) Received: from rat.apca.gc.ca ([167.33.57.24]) by skunk.apca.gc.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id jA80vo4b001240 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: From asc-notes.apca.gc.ca ([10.3.0.51]) by rat.apca.gc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1131411513218; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:58:33 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: Anita.Campbell@pc.gc.ca Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:57:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ASC-NOTES/SVR/PC/CA(Release 6.5|September 26, 2003) at 11/07/2005 08:57:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Thanks, Anita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836d7D014497 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836FNM064317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836FQf065605; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA81T3O6017500 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A23E362DA for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:29:03 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:29:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <436FD56D.9030205@woollycat.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] CCs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? De -----Original Message----- I used that pattern for my CC22 "Think Pink" entry last year. There is no zipper, it uses hooks & eyes in the side seam. I would make it again if the need came up again. Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA836faV014504 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA836KaL064348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA836KIw065659; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA81fpUR024286 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D526B36351 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:41:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:41:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <436FF6CC.1090602@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What era? And I am not 100% sure but I think a manchira is an upper torse piece of chainmail. Is that what you are think when you say manchira? Various info and some patterns. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/japanese/briefhistory.html http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_8.html http://www.japan-zone.com/culture/kimono.shtml http://www.geocities.com/anne_liese_w/Japanese/japhitatare.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/5.htm http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/29.htm http://www.samurai-archives.com/clothing.html http://sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/graphics/patterns/hitatare.PDF http://www.marubeni.com/gallery/gallery0205.html http://brian.hoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/TEACHING/Samurai.html http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2133.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83OrSP014768 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83OSP3065925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83OQ64074105; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83OLoG074031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA84vNC5009042 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:57:23 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanese clothes patterns Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:25:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <110720052333.22957.436FE43E000D974E000059AD22064244139C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107162419.03904990@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511072225.39301.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 07 November 2005 7:25 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:33 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: > > I'm trying to help a friend with his Japanese persona's > > costume. We are needing to find patterns for these > > items: hakama, manchira, and hitatare. If anyone could point us > > in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > >Roscelin > > If my memory is correct, Folkwear has some Japanese clothing patterns. You can find the information on how to make your own patterns (since these items are made of rectangles of various sizes, appropriate dimensions are all the information you need) may be found for at least some of these items in a book called "Make Your Own Japanese Clothes" by John Marshall. It's published by Kodansha International; Amazon sells it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/087011865X/qid=1131420042/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9908496-1648834?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Here's the relevant information in case the URL has gotten butchered: # Paperback: 130 pages # Publisher: Kodansha America; 1st ed edition (November, 1988) # Language: English # ISBN: 087011865X -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83Z6nw014983 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83Yi19066958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83Yg6u079100; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA83Yb1C079070 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:34:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 16810 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 03:33:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:33:31 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:38:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:38:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Hello, > > Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century > fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose the > fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Anita, If you can wait for a few months....I will be carrying Duran Textiles starting in Februrary. If you haven't seen the website, it is really great (especially the photographs that Laila takes)! Here is a link: http://www.durantextiles.com/ I will be starting with the cotton prints and eventually hope to carry the full line. And next to each style of fabric she says where the original pattern was found. Very cool! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 22:39:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA83dT5j015045 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:39:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA83d5ua067391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83d4b1081185; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA83cxoU081150 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.52] (acty3052.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.52]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351FD5C17A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:38:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43701DC9.2070402@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:38:49 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought I remembered seeing a garment with bugle beads in either "Fashion in Detail" or QEWU, but I couldn't find it in either? Another book perhaps? Mike T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 23:06:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA846I3M015429 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA845fQr069740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA845ZNV093732; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA845Uh9093663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA85cWhE010551 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:38:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th Century Fabric Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:06:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1230.67.188.164.116.1131421099.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511072306.49370.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 07 November 2005 10:38 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know of an on-line source for reproductions of 18th century > > fabrics? I've found a few, but don't want to miss any before I choose > > the fabric for a 1780s-1790s dress. Have you heard of Reproduction Fabrics? They claim to sell reproduction patterns dating between 1775 and 1970, some of which are genuine indigo prints in period designs. Most of them appear to be cotton prints, if that's what you're interested in: http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/index.php > -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 23:30:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA84UT03015721 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:30:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA84TmQI071943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA84TfPf004379; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA84Tb9K004269 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.136.182] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 346699821 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:31 -0600 Message-ID: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:09 -0600 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and greet". For CC25, the social is meant to be "a gathering of rock stars after a concert". People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen otsisto wrote: >Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC >is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? >De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 00:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA85fgKW016551 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:41:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA85f7E2078147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA85f2mn033876; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA85ewEW033829 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EZME5-0001OP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:40:57 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051107233710.02f70c60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:40:01 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> References: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CC's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:30 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:29:09 -0600 >From: Karen Heim >Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs > >Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows >the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic >Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in >keeping with that). > >The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's >Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and >greet". > >Karen And CC 24's Friday Night Social theme is: "An Evening with the Stars" - think pre or post Oscar party. Sandy >otsisto wrote: > > >Does the contest theme match the theme of the con? For example, St. Lou's CC > >is "hell freezing over" would that be the theme of the contest? > >De "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. 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' . | | | \^ /_-': / / | | '\ .' / /| | \\ | \ \( ) // / \ | | // / L! ! // / Joan Broneske [_] L[_| unicorn@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 02:32:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA87WYuP025422 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 02:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA87VgKT086215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA87VbgX075752; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA87VUSx075688 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE1E0362CC for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:31:26 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] CCs Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:31:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have never been to CC and hope to go to the one in St. Louis as it will be close and I have relatives near there if budget is tight and can't hotel it. For now I am hoping to find time to finally make a costume for Archon (if not more). :) Thank you, De -----Original Message----- As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". I'll explain in further detail. Costume Con has 3 competitions: a. a design folio for future fashions (judged and printed before the convention; people construct designs from the folio for a fashion show at the con) b. a Science Fiction and Fantasy masquerade c. a Historical masquerade There are NO requirements about following any specific theme; that stifles artistic expression - if you have an outfit you're aching to do, but it doesn't fit any of the upcoming themes, then what would you do? Part of the joy is not knowing what costumes will show up. Some people occasionally *choose* to do a particular outfit that follows the spirit of that convention (for example, CC24's theme is "Epic Movies", and an outfit I hope to complete for the SF/F masquerade is in keeping with that). The traditional place for the theme to show up is at the convention's Friday Night Social, which is not a competition, but simply a "meet and greet". For CC25, the social is meant to be "a gathering of rock stars after a concert". People will come as rock stars past or present, or backstage crew, or groupies, or whatever. It's just a fun time. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 05:06:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8A6CLB026813 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 05:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8A5Nkr097416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8A5JDV031951; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8A5EQB031914 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5549.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.73]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DD0747FEBE for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:05:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c5e44b$edbf3b20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:05:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more informations of the bodice? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 15:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8KbTNp022145 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8Kad88064477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8KaVFJ027010; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8KaOLO026843 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051108203533.IHNH29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:35:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> References: <200511080430.jA84TpGX004469@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C531A8E-BAA2-4AEF-AA82-2106DD3A758A@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:34:55 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 711 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I thought I remembered seeing a garment with bugle beads in either > "Fashion in Detail" or QEWU, but I couldn't find it in either? Another > book perhaps? Mike T. I looked in Fashion in Detail and didn't see it. You may be thinking of a pair of sleeves with beading, and I unfortunately don't own QEWU. I looked in other books of mine but couldn't find anything there either... -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 16:54:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8Ls3Lh023681 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8LrWu2077798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8LrR9p088770; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [68.230.241.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8LrI2q088607 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051108215252.EQWT16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:52:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Subject: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:51:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more > informations of the bodice? > > Bjarne Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. (hmm.. my last reply I believe I forgot to change the subject header. : p) -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 17:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA8MH8Lt024156 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA8MBQCk080435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA8MBCTc003134; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA8MB2To002903 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59911 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 22:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 22:10:54 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051108220620.01d6ada8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:10:55 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice In-Reply-To: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:51 08/11/2005, you wrote: >>Perhaps the english journal of the Costume Society, have some more >>informations of the bodice? >> >>Bjarne > >Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at >their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's >inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. > (hmm.. my last reply I believe I forgot to change the subject > header. : p) As far as I remember there has been nothing in the journal of the Costume Society about this garment. If it is private property, and was put on hold there would not have been time to publish in the latest copy received July/August this year. If money was being raised to prevent this historic garment from leaving England I feel sure that members of the Costume Society, The Art Fund and The Friends of Fashion of the Museum of London would all have been asked to contribute, and as I am a member of all three I would have had some notification. I have had no such notification. I too will be awaiting further developments. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 21:27:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA92RWnQ028565 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA92QtXO057764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA92QndQ055721; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA92Qj6p055695 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPO009JF1G1Z076@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:26:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:37:13 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: Historic Costume Message-id: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 8 22:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA93559w029168 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:05:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA934aTQ060953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA934XRe073261; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA934V9E073207 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68797 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 03:04:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wSZsNptmHCoIkxjHaTyPMENJDOINUpKtzxuxiWCoheCLZiPEcBDZNoVSKjzqikBu25wQ6vC3s4gXQvrXglwise3ImWmGxOOLh0f4mt7bmw2wN+FjJVCARRrePQBx7STVdiwaDpXX8zUHp9NaRVvjE2I1LK9nxKU5wKErOzR0wLU= ; Message-ID: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:04:24 EST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Searching for a photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings once again, I have come across a nifty little photo, but it doesn't show the object in question either in total, or large enough. http://www.ntpl.org.uk/zooms/00000000103/103281.bro Is what I can find for The Garter of Maximilian I, King of the Romans, c. 1489. It is held at Anglesey Abbey, catalogued through the National Trust ref #103281. I'd like a photo that shows the entire garter if at all possible, and if it had dimensional references, I would be in heaven. I have a partial photo in "Art of Embroidery: History of Style and Technique" by Lanto Synge, which is where I came to know this item in the first place. Anyone out there have a pic? Thanks so much! Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 05:06:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9A6FEq008588 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:06:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9A5c85094049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9A5Swc035998; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9A5OWn035974 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D4DD26287A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:05:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I hope somebody can help me a little. I am draping the toille of the sack backed yellow chenille dress. Then i have a little problem with the sleave fitting. Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. Any ideas greatly apreciated, thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 05:44:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Aic91017421 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:44:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9AiHfr096382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9AiFPd048632; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9AiAAs048574 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61857 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 10:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 10:44:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109103730.01d29c20@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:44:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Searching for a photo In-Reply-To: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051109030424.68795.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:04 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Greetings once again, > >I have come across a nifty little photo, but it >doesn't show the object in question either in total, >or large enough. > >http://www.ntpl.org.uk/zooms/00000000103/103281.bro > >Is what I can find for The Garter of Maximilian I, >King of the Romans, c. 1489. It is held at Anglesey >Abbey, catalogued through the National Trust ref >#103281. I'd like a photo that shows the entire garter >if at all possible, and if it had dimensional >references, I would be in heaven. I have a partial >photo in "Art of Embroidery: History of Style and >Technique" by Lanto Synge, which is where I came to >know this item in the first place. Anyone out there >have a pic? This looks to be similar in dimensions to a 1930's copy of a Garter I have, (from the British Order of the Garter). This is made in blue velvet, and is about 1" wide, and long enough to buckle round under the knee. This length seems to have been variable, dependant on the size of the leg. The decoration and words are in gold bullion, with small cross like symbols between each word. The motto of course is "Honi+Soit+Qui+Mal+Y+Pense" (as written.) The buckle is gilt metal, probably gold in the original. I saw an early black "Garter" somewhere, possibly Belvoir Castle, but I thought that was also a British Garter. Sorry I don't have a pic though - you could try contacting the National Trust. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 07:47:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9ClLIx002786 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9CfcjF005907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9CfYMi091354; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9AbDQC046410 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11184 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 10:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 10:37:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109103417.01d73098@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:37:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping In-Reply-To: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:05 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Hello, >I hope somebody can help me a little. >I am draping the toille of the sack backed yellow chenille dress. >Then i have a little problem with the sleave fitting. >Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at >the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top >and wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the >shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. >Any ideas greatly apreciated, thanks > >Bjarne Bjarne If you have, or can get, a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett published by Players Press, you will find that she has clear instructions for draping a mantua and for a sack, with clear drawings (by Janette Haslam). The title is misleading, as all the patterns are based on thorough research of original garments wherever possible. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DSLvZ003379 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9DRxJL009834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DRuJG012604; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DRpDB012564 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e0.48b6e820 (58677) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.48b6e820.30a35350@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:06:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the top? Of course it is. The gown is the gown and the stays are the stays. What if the gown were worn with different stays? I mean not all gowns have stays made just for them. Worry about what the gown looks like. That's my advice anyway.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DTcBa003408 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9DTLZT009910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DTLPX013206; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DTHS8013139 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:29:12 -0800 Message-ID: <4371FA06.1020701@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:30:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th beaded bodice References: <200511081900.jA8J0IkG051901@net.indra.com> <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <6393733A-05C6-445E-9C1F-B0CDD5CE6FC6@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 13:29:12.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[92BE2420:01C5E531] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So far, nothing back from either the ministry or the costume society! I'll keep everyone posted. Max Callahan wrote: > Good idea, Bjarne, I hadn't thought about that... okay after looking at > their site, I didn't see any information about it. Maybe Saragrace's > inquiries will bear fruit. I've emailed them also. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 08:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9DcQv8003540 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Dc55O010637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Dc5gb017021; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9DbwWT016958 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 05:37:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4371FC0E.5070107@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:39:26 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 13:37:53.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9083150:01C5E532] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is this a "fashion" question (i.e. does it make the silhouette wrong?) Not sure I am following you completely, but you you are talking about the edge of the armscye towards the sleeve (correct?). By over lapping you mean that the cut of the armscye is "so deep" that (when the sleeve is not inserted) the stay strap is visible, or do you mean that the cut of the armscye extends beyond the shoulder? Got a picture you could post? I love engineering problems! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at > the top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and > wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the > shoulder straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 09:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9EEA3F004154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9EDVPZ013571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9EDR5D032281; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9EDOsT032201 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96182 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 14:13:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=09k9T0tpuCB3Ghlr8NkI5P5uW9KwLeOb/4Pzmaa1BSbFLUJvLdhrT1WS/SnkG49sEEGvQ5ajmqbS8bRbGFNQbEprDdMsPDrKPrFKYO0VtkEh+5deSD+2c9YyVxhSvCgsdWrfrukVwGqhRS14851UaCPF9d1So1dF5fJ7SFganEk= ; Message-ID: <20051109141315.96180.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:13:15 PST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO FYI all :) Beth, thanks so much for this information! If my calculations are correct, the total for book/shipping is $38 Chris G. Lena Falk wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:26:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available From: "Lena Falk" To: "Chris" Dear Chris, Thank you for your mail. Yes, we still have copies of the book left. The price is SEK 150 plus postage, about SEK100. If you are interested, please just give me your address, and I will send you the book. Best regards Lena > Good Afternoon Ms. Falk, > > Per the e-mail below, have all the copies of NESAT VI been sold and if > not, what would the cost be to purchase plus ship to New Jersey in the > United States? > > Thank you very much for your time, > Chris Gallucci > > Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0600 > To: > From: Beth and Bob Matney > Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available > > There are a limited number of copies of NESAT 6 available from Lena Falk > at > the Archaeology Dept of the Goteborgs Univeritet even though it is listed > as out of print at the bookshop: http://www.hum.gu.se/ark/. > > You can contact her at lena.falk AT archaeology.gu.se > > Hope that this is of interest. > Beth Matney > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. > Dr. Seuss > > Our greatest glory is not in never failing, > but in rising up every time we fail. > Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:11:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FBVjf005190 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:11:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FB1OI031750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:11:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FAwQV064083; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52206.mail.yahoo.com (web52206.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9FAucD063983 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 92807 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:10:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b4l7kZhJrBm74qcAvwcX3omRBhEY+/b5iYV8l9UNsDxw/57AMeExcmZQlhccMZFmxILYRWxdCp3hkizUO2mTNVJJTVZzPO8DKz9T6VqHsiYGDxbYvjWEaAVrQHRNmJWY6mFCgYZetStPjDoXZvc5IHEKLYQgazKMsi3bwqoV04U= ; Message-ID: <20051109151050.92805.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:50 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh you lucky girl! I couldn't believe the selection of fabric available. Some of the shops reminded me of chinatown shops everything stacked as high as possible. First time I bought fabric by the pound very interesting. I didn't get rid of my stash before I went so I couldn't buy much. I can hardly wait till next year so I can go again and this time I'm going to make sure I have lots of room. The fabric district is between St. Laurent and avenue du parc about 7700 to 9200. Try this link for some cheap ideas?? http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html While I was there the university had a book sale but it was total chaos. We were lucky and got a three day pass that covered all our metro plus museums. Because we were going to be there several weeks I also got an Entertainment coupon book so we could try lots of different restaurants cheap. I got several pamphlets from Quebec tourism including maps and places to shop etc. these are free for the asking. When planning I usually contact the tourism or commerce of the town or area. They usually have great coupons for attractions and other info like the metro/museum passes. The museum pass I think got you into 21 or more museums for free but were only for sale for a short time. I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FRtut005496 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FR9Y7036303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FR6Rh073652; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52202.mail.yahoo.com (web52202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9FR4bb073587 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 48990 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:26:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vn9g1oj0BPuGpueRcnUOeckW8JD+CFoq3EbaRDs9Azg5jf1fFq3ZcQRqiXnOqPVv8ZP4q/x7Bq6FOmAGdWn5pntsHIF3iwr+OA508fF0KPib1WYqZVcntmINy22Nffrw+Ct+0Q5Vd1rOnaV4tzTpff9Nwv75EqK5VPzdZn9xsrc= ; Message-ID: <20051109152658.48988.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:26:58 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:26:58 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So you don't have to search forever try this and I seem to have mislaid the one for Quebec tourism. http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/B2C/00/default.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1 Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:36:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FaqDX005726 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:36:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FaOMt037111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FaNlY079384; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FaJlO079285 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:36:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:36:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 15:36:12.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[50A4BBF0:01C5E543] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's a great Science museum in the Port too. You can also try the Stewart museum. http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need the address, let me know). I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in general. Some very fashionable stuff too. If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. Entrance is free. Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal activities. If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets around are a real feast. Literally :-) For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - and even down to Papineau. But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my shopping for those things online! Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by now... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some > good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:38:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FcVos005742 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Fc5M5037364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fc2gC080455; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fbp2V080316 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 606D05EE081 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:37:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:38:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace, Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich are bigger than the armscye in the stays. It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping > Is this a "fashion" question (i.e. does it make the silhouette wrong?) Not > sure I am following you completely, but you you are talking about the edge > of the armscye towards the sleeve (correct?). By over lapping you mean > that the cut of the armscye is "so deep" that (when the sleeve is not > inserted) the stay strap is visible, or do you mean that the cut of the > armscye extends beyond the shoulder? Got a picture you could post? I > love engineering problems! > > Sg > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Is it ok that my armscye overlaps the shoulderstraps of the stays at the >> top? I might have made the shoulderstraps two wide at the top and >> wondered if it matters? If i make the armscye to the edge of the shoulder >> straps, my sleave dont get the right angle i think. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FkbCl005878 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9FkBIj038268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fk9AC086236; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Fk4uZ086108 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from JAzo478796@aol.com) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.232.c8f06a (16781); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <232.c8f06a.30a373ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:45:50 EST To: kdesmarteau@apparelmag.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] geac/diesel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Kathy: There is still no answer at Antonio's phone number and I haven't heard back via email from either Brian at Geac or Holly Dewar at Fitzgerald. I believe it may be time to pick up the phone and call one of them: do you prefer I call Brian at Geac or Holly at Fitzgerald. Please advise. Thanks, Julia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 10:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9FlmQv005899 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Fl5lH038375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9FkwrM086752; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52205.mail.yahoo.com (web52205.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9Fkmd5086580 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 7694 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 15:46:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QlqAcuDbqmHUDjDvv5CdHLrZI+XAakd+7UtBUrC/5CVUPvO8BUX3jxlDbCw/0WVb2X1jf7KNEAGDekGNmWEi+eOucFAgeSWa/rbEvsZqRpMQuweDtJaSo06RRsOK6dpoWPUF+RILtaw0l4zwXpAeBMY4Z1jtNm2RLpdwaKlzQas= ; Message-ID: <20051109154634.7692.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:46:34 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes that is where I went St. Hubert Lots of good deals. The metro is fast and easy to use in Montreal as parking will also cost you a small fortune. Edith Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:Hi, If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's a great Science museum in the Port too. You can also try the Stewart museum. http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need the address, let me know). I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in general. Some very fashionable stuff too. If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. Entrance is free. Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal activities. If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets around are a real feast. Literally :-) For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - and even down to Papineau. But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my shopping for those things online! Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by now... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be some > good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... > > Jeanine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:08:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9G8GV9006260 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9G7kSv040766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9G7cLh001810; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9G7KfG001623 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:07:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:07:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051109151050.92805.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:07:14.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[A65C6940:01C5E547] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, it's me again, Of course, most of the references I gave are in the Eastern Montreal. Not that we don't mix up with the other side, just that it's far enough that stores just don't have the same clients. > http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html That's a great link thanks! Take note that, in this article, they almost always stop at St-Laurent, or St-Denis, but you can also in most instances push more towards the Eastern part too and find interesting things - I'm thinking mostly of Mont-Royal street here, but it's true of others as well, if you don't mind bad English. > I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap > as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Uh, well. Not true of everyone. IMHO, most of those hot-dogs they sell for 1$ don't qualify as food, although some people seem to think they do :-) But if you want real hot dogs for 1$, you have to go to Montreal Pool Room (1200 St-Laurent). It's THE hot-dog place. Me, I hate cheap hot dogs. There's lots of 1$ pizza places. Don't be afraid to take advantage of them. And lots of cheap Chinese/Thai places. And lots if Indian, Pakistanese, Italian, Greek, Japanese (including take-out sushi), Mexican, Libanese, French (though those are usually more expensive), etc. restaurants. No need to eat cheap hot-dogs :-) Ah, another thing I dislike but you might enjoy - smoked meat. The world-famous place is Schwartz. 3895 St-Laurent. There's ALWAYS people there. Looks really crappy, but they supposedly make the best smoked-meat in the world. Also - no street food vendors in Montreal. Personnally, I think we could do with a few, but there's a silly law against it. But there's always food in shopping malls. Edith mentioned the metro. It's great for going almost anywhere in town - at least downtown. You can buy a weekly pass. If you want to know easily how to get from point A to point B, go to www.stm.info and find the "Tous Azimuts" link. Of course, it won't help you in a hotel room without an Internet connexion, but it will at least allow you to know your main routes before you leave. I use it regularly, and it has never been wrong before. Costume contents? Uh... well... that was in the first message. All of this is to GET to the costume stuff... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GS7Ym006701 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:28:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GRY4Z043490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GRS5f018081; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GROvi017943 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.227]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109162718.EYJ6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:18 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109101542.02c8a9e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:27:16 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available In-Reply-To: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4l079434@net.indra.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4l079434@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lena is excellent to deal with and very helpful. The price and shipping for NESAT 6 is quite reasonable. and arrived VERY quickly. There is only one minor problem that you should be aware of.... payment must be in SEK (Swedish Kronors) and by wire transfer/ direct deposit to their bank or cheque.. or by cash. I ordered SEK from my bank and mailed it directly to the Archaeology Department (contact Lena for the correct address) as International Wire Transfer fees were excessive from my bank. Beth At 09:36 AM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:13:15 -0800 (PST) >From: Chris >Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available >To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >Message-ID: <20051109141315.96180.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >FYI all :) Beth, thanks so much for this information! > >If my calculations are correct, the total for book/shipping is $38 > >Chris G. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:39:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GdLLB006946 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GcoSN044774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GckxM026921; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GchSo026833 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:38:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4372266B.9010502@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:40:11 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:38:38.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[08FDE7A0:01C5E54C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rats, I guess I was hoping for something more difficult! Yes, I think I get it now. I would not worry about this situation. I would worry if the situation were reversed, i.e. the dress armscye were smaller than the stays because you can get some fleshy lumps and bumps sometimes. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Saragrace, > Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich are > bigger than the armscye in the stays. > It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GddCa006956 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GdNcq044841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GdMtN027407; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GdJXq027366 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D88847FEEC for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again, Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. How could i make the edge of this, so it wont fray? Should i make buttonhole stitches? I want to add small bouquets of chenille flowers here and there! Could i turn the edge, about 1-2 mm. and perhaps cut it each top? I dont want to make tiny ones, but scallopes about 5 cm. wide Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:49:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Gn4UL007124 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GmKFb046099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GmJRo034363; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GmETc034233 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:48:09 -0800 Message-ID: <437228A7.2080209@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:49:43 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 16:48:09.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D8AB0E0:01C5E54D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What little I know of these styles, they did use raw edges on the scallops right? You don't have a set of pinking shears? You can also apply a very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Gojcp007176 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Go3PD046279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Go3O5035573; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9GnxFv035442 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20556 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 16:49:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ME9zttzMFg+yPm2N5StieW/mCSM8A4y0HNMskaXtCs2qL5ENnDKs3R2myujW2GlVFaxNMEyT5b/lAXCn6ibyPBo0C0fxkK/6ShgtzUZadZaZEdOnD3nt6wMdIaMJ47KyZlLcVT+hcR4PBlmpcCS/iBQzvv4nvVoCSdxYGzS4mYw= ; Message-ID: <20051109164953.20554.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:49:53 PST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:49:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: Fwd: [h-cost] NESAT 6 available To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109101542.02c8a9e0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, VERY good to know. I'll send her another 'e' for her address. Thanks again Beth! Beth and Bob Matney wrote: Lena is excellent to deal with and very helpful. The price and shipping for NESAT 6 is quite reasonable. and arrived VERY quickly. There is only one minor problem that you should be aware of.... payment must be in SEK (Swedish Kronors) and by wire transfer/ direct deposit to their bank or cheque.. or by cash. I ordered SEK from my bank and mailed it directly to the Archaeology Department (contact Lena for the correct address) as International Wire Transfer fees were excessive from my bank. Beth --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 11:55:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GtSZD007291 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:55:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9GswNP046961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GsrjI039340; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9GsjPm039105 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.227]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109165431.BCYI6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:54:30 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using other archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of translation error in the article and that they are referring to naalbinding or some other technique. Beth Matney "That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were knitted and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." ( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the 15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) This references: Peets J., 1987: 'Totenhandschuhe im Bestattungsbrauchtum de Esten und anderen Ostseefinnen'. Fenoscandia Archaeologica. IV. Helsinki. 105-16 Caune A., Zarina A., 1980: 'Rigas 13.-15. gs. vilnas cimdi'. Latvijas PSR zinatnu akademijas vestis, Nr.1 (39), 60-9. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:21:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HLQWo007759 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HKoH9050249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HKlmB059784; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52105.mail.yahoo.com (web52105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9HKjbY059675 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 84941 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 17:20:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=szBv2xmH7Xq6Rb3xjxy0zNDz3HoPNFsDkSzvgw370Wak1Mfi/2yXnNOEvFud34IpfNKUh9fj2FAg3VbKh2v7TUoUlIPu/vhVoxZ1IkSWhGzZexqF2fVSBqBnN2MDzsbmEQkQiabDoYdv0+isc41HKUicisSGajLJSbG6ZKfAyUg= ; Message-ID: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:20:39 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Searching for a photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with Maximilian's representative to I think her name was Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. I have come across pictures of both you are speaking of on a Russian, of all places, website. The Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but not useful for detail purposes. National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the size of the available buckles - again though, buckle purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward to packing all of this into anything smaller than one inch, however. Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - "pence", however it could be a more period spelling as I have found multiple references with that same misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" based on the script style. This item looks surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a decorative section at the strap end. Perhaps I can get a museum card description from them... who knows. Thanks Suzi! Kathy > This looks to be similar in dimensions to a 1930's > copy of a Garter I > have, (from the British Order of the Garter). This > is made in blue > velvet, and is about 1" wide, and long enough to > buckle round under > the knee. This length seems to have been variable, > dependant on the > size of the leg. The decoration and words are in > gold bullion, with > small cross like symbols between each word. The > motto of course > is "Honi+Soit+Qui+Mal+Y+Pense" (as written.) The > buckle is gilt > metal, probably gold in the original. I saw an early > black "Garter" > somewhere, possibly Belvoir Castle, but I thought > that was also a > British Garter. Sorry I don't have a pic though - > you could try > contacting the National Trust. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:40:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HePU5008075 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Hd7IE052923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HcxWL074159; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52208.mail.yahoo.com (web52208.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9HcntP074018 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 75560 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 17:38:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JqSeiytFroKQ+rxo2QTYlPkgDkQvgB1NaFLTMqoeOBywvEc0a2U+/SAf5RbEFhv3xGJVTIvJFvj6Rjp2JohObyqP3eIR2bDP8dO8FHlxMJY13BXv6zxsiVnO9JT8Snpi1Avs5aeoEhBHcGbpL+cqIgDzFCKXMfDtRghxnMjKQmM= ; Message-ID: <20051109173844.75558.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:38:43 EST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most of my husbands family lives in Eastern Montreal and that is where he used to live. You have such a choice of fabrics at wonderful prices. We have a Fabricland and Walmart for a population 100,000 people. Vancouver has about the same selection except for little india. I buy most of my fabric from Walmart, second-hand stores or off the internet. We all know that we can get cheaper fabric on the internet but shipping to Canada can be $17.+. I ordered Linen 10 yds. from an online stores once and by the time I got it I paid $10. a yd. for what turned out to be junk. I love sellers that say it's linen and they are selling cotton. I don't buy linen now unless I can see it and feel it. Edith Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Hi, it's me again, Of course, most of the references I gave are in the Eastern Montreal. Not that we don't mix up with the other side, just that it's far enough that stores just don't have the same clients. > http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/assg/assg5.html That's a great link thanks! Take note that, in this article, they almost always stop at St-Laurent, or St-Denis, but you can also in most instances push more towards the Eastern part too and find interesting things - I'm thinking mostly of Mont-Royal street here, but it's true of others as well, if you don't mind bad English. > I couldn't believe how many restaurants just sold hot dogs some as cheap > as 3/$100. Take out lunch isn't chinese or pizza it's hot dogs. Uh, well. Not true of everyone. IMHO, most of those hot-dogs they sell for 1$ don't qualify as food, although some people seem to think they do :-) But if you want real hot dogs for 1$, you have to go to Montreal Pool Room (1200 St-Laurent). It's THE hot-dog place. Me, I hate cheap hot dogs. There's lots of 1$ pizza places. Don't be afraid to take advantage of them. And lots of cheap Chinese/Thai places. And lots if Indian, Pakistanese, Italian, Greek, --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Ht82f008366 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HsXif055065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HsVdR086626; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HsPQd086526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.204] (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA9Hs82h017229 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:54:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:53:14 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As long as there are no strange bumps or ridges, it doesn't matter. I'm reminded of the construction of some originals - rather than setting the sleeve into an armscye, it seems that the sleeve tops are eased into place and then the strap or robings are applied on top of them. So perhaps you'll have the opportunity to ensure the sleeves go smoothly over the straps of the stays, and the actual position of the seams on the gown will not matter. -Carol >Dear Saragrace, >Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich >are bigger than the armscye in the stays. >It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 12:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9HxnGP008544 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HxDQF055999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HxDQg090726; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Hx7kh090579 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:59:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:59:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:58:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 17:59:02.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[444C6560:01C5E557] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and > crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using other > archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of > translation error in the article and that they are referring to > naalbinding or some other technique. > > Beth Matney Well. I can't do so using archaeological sources, but I can tell you that "crochet with a small bone needle" is a weird way of phrasing things. Is it crochet or naalbinding? I'd guess naalbinding. Is it a bone needle or a bone crochet? Again, I'd guess bone needle, which would again lead to naalbinding. It references sources in another language, which makes it very possible that the translator used what he thought was a generic word - knitted - for what we think of as a specific term. Unless someone can read the original and let us know, I'd put a big warning on the text if you want to use it as proof that knitting existed. > "That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from > archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, > Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th > centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were > knitted and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." > ( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the > 15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 13:00:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9I0hBc008583 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:00:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9HtK0w055286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HtJ6j087396; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9HtDS3087205 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79E63CED2 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:55:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437237FF.3070608@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:55:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CCs References: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> In-Reply-To: <43702995.4040404@accessus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Karen Heim wrote: > As a member of the CC25 committee, let me answer your question by > stating: there is not, nor is there ever, a "theme of the contest". > I'll explain in further detail. Karen, Info on the web site is a little thin. Can you tell me what the con weapon policy is (costume weapons of course) or point me to a website where it might be outlined? A couple of the costumes I'm considering involve the use of toy guns as accessories. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 13:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9IN7Gf009052 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9IMcbZ059342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9IMZFA010483; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9IMPtk010344 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9INFjN013656 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:23:16 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9IM7q2088720 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:22:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109102958.02c87ec0@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >were crochetted with a small bone needle." Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:17:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JHcIc010245 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JGfvZ068101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGbp0055704; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGWlp055627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JGUtq031085 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:16:32 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." BTW< I also just came across an early 19th-century reference to "knitting wires," for stockings, which I believe just means fine knitting needles. While I'm all in favor of giving things the correct terms, it is important to recognize that languages just naturally use different names for the same thing and the same name for different things. This is especially true when you're dealing with older versus modern English, and with a field like fashion, where makers and promoters of various goods intentionally apply a new name to the same old product or style just to make it seem more fashionable. If I were trying to judge whether a textile was crocheted or knitted or whatever, I'd look at a photo or drawing of it (the original probably not being available to me), before making any judgments. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> were crochetted with a small bone needle." > > > Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your > source must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from > crochet. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JOA8S010371 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JNmrh068936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JNkac061141; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JNZGk060930 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 71B6847FEDA for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:23:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:23:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Caroline. Perhaps its the translation. In Denmark wich is part of Scandinavia and Finland, a croched hook is called a croched needle. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > >>were crochetted with a small bone needle." > > Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source > must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:31:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JVM2i010502 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JV1T0070194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JUnnt066761; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JUaLk066578 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9JVOjN001985 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:31:24 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JUQiM103456 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:30:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:27:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century >crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." >>>were crochetted with a small bone needle." >>Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >>must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. I didn't like how the source lumped knitting and crochet together under the same name of implement and in the same phrase, hence my reaction. My guess is that either the writer got his dates and techniques very wrong or that the technique in question is actually naalbinding, which superficially resembles both knitting and crochet and is done with a needle. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JXD5A010547 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JWp0K070434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JWhjY068105; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JVq9O067567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JVofk005154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <43724EA9.5050106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:31:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, so I bought a leather handbag with very attractive (but not super deep) tooling all over it. This was from a discount source that does not accept returns. The picture on the website showed a darkish-reddish-brown bag with a cooked-artichoke-green strap, outer pocket, and piping on the bottom--a very Art Nouveau color combo. What I got was a fuschia bag with chartreuse accents. Yow. I should've known better. But now I want to dye it the colors I thought I was getting. Or at least some kind of acceptable earthtones. The bag has a bright red lining and zipper that I don't want to try replacing, but at least they're not too visible and I'm hoping a reddish brown dye will work OK with the zipper. I've never dyed leather before. (It is leather, not suede.) I'm looking at the dyes on this website: http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/leather/leather.html Does anyone recommend any dye brand in particular? If I want to keep the green accents (aside from the piping, which I'm willing to forego), how do I keep a dye (I'm leaning a bit to sprays but can be swayed) from going where it shouldn't, and get neat demarcations between the reddish brown and the grayish green I hope for? Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JbAdh010611 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JaQwF070983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JaNVb071101; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JaGco071001 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E10947FE66 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003601c5e564$dd80c020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry i misspelled your name, i ment off cause Carolyn. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JfEb8010671 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JdQYY071452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JdP11073623; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JdKFC073533 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6077262885 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace, Perhaps this would be a good idea. Ill try to ask in my shops if they have this stuff over here. I am most conserned because i want to apply (embroider on) some chenille flowers on the edge, and i am afraid if they will "run out" But it would be the best solution to do, for authentic look! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles > What little I know of these styles, they did use raw edges on the scallops > right? You don't have a set of pinking shears? You can also apply a very > light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link > of all these things is you don't have them "over there." > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:44:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9JiEj7010731 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:44:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JhhUA072393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhffD077283; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhbBW077236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JhZJH009489 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: <4372516A.4090909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:43:38 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051109112336.026c89f8@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe, but there is no way to know the writer is "wrong," without seeing the textile or a close-up illustration. Fran Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I didn't like how the source lumped knitting and crochet together > under the same name of implement and in the same phrase, hence my > reaction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 14:49:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Jne73010853 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9JmwtX073135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JmsnP081292; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JmmNE081222 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:48:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:48:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 19:48:47.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[993DB470:01C5E566] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, but crochet needles usually are very, very fine and pointy. That's what they use for tambour work, because they need to pierece through fabric. Not at all like like the ones we use for crocheting. The problem here is that we're dealing with a translation, not with an evolution of English. The book was dated 1980, but the info came from sources in another language which I couldn't identify. Knitting terms haven't evolved that much since 1980, but a LOT can be lost in translation. And, from what I heard, naalbinding looks very similar to knitting. Just looking at a picture of the item might not be enough to differentiate between knitting, crochet and naalbinding. We weren't making any judgements. Just saying that there were some weirdly formulated things in the text that would make it preferable to reserve judgement about the validity of the text. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > I've seen the term "crochet needle" in English-language 19th-century > crochet instructions, as a synonym for "crochet hook." > > BTW< I also just came across an early 19th-century reference to "knitting > wires," for stockings, which I believe just means fine knitting needles. > > While I'm all in favor of giving things the correct terms, it is important > to recognize that languages just naturally use different names for the > same thing and the same name for different things. This is especially > true when you're dealing with older versus modern English, and with a > field like fashion, where makers and promoters of various goods > intentionally apply a new name to the same old product or style just to > make it seem more fashionable. > If I were trying to judge whether a textile was crocheted or knitted or > whatever, I'd look at a photo or drawing of it (the original probably not > being available to me), before making any judgments. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >>> were crochetted with a small bone needle." >> >> >> Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >> must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 15:46:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9KkkKF011911 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:46:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Kk72Q082039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Kk1Ip025273; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Kjnqg025064 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: <43726057.4080102@msn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:47:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 20:45:44.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E5A4110:01C5E56E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fraycheck, microbrushes and Pinking shears: Was: scalloped sleave ruffles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Microbrush picture: http://www.internettrains.com/micdisap.html A Netherlands dealer: http://www.americanho.com (Believe it or not!) A picture of Pinking Shears There are many makers of pinking shears...there are some fancy shaped ones, but I think they are mostly used for paper...not sure you could justify them historically anyway. A UK source for Fraycheck Be sure to make a test on a scrap and apply very sparingly. The microbrushes work well for this kind of work. Trying to apply it straight out of the bottle will make a big mess. Cheers! :-D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHKns012389 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LGrTN086919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LGneK050327; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JSHYx064855 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24744.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B7F147FEF9 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c5e563$c6c94790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5e515$1f4b4e30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><003c01c5e543$99598ec0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Carol, Yes you are quite right, this is what i do. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] odd question about toille draping > As long as there are no strange bumps or ridges, it doesn't matter. > > I'm reminded of the construction of some originals - rather than > setting the sleeve into an armscye, it seems that the sleeve tops are > eased into place and then the strap or robings are applied on top of > them. So perhaps you'll have the opportunity to ensure the sleeves > go smoothly over the straps of the stays, and the actual position of > the seams on the gown will not matter. > > -Carol > > >>Dear Saragrace, >>Albertcat, understood it right, its my armscye of the bodice wich >>are bigger than the armscye in the stays. >>It wont show when the bodice covers the stays, do you get it? >> >>Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHnHa012398 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LHElf086964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHEBk050684; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9JWD9Z067729 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8e.327dfe64 (4539) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:32:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.327dfe64.30a3a8b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:32:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quite a few originals have just raw edges, and have frayed quite badly (a yellow on springs to mind, but I can't remember where from). But any of the suggestions would work - just depends what you're happiest with. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LHwUD012403 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LHXs6087066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHRbj050834; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA9JqeV2083952 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56544 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2005 19:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2005 19:52:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109195052.01d7dba0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:52:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles In-Reply-To: <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003b01c5e565$4c18f9d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:39 09/11/2005, you wrote: >Dear Saragrace, >Perhaps this would be a good idea. Ill try to ask in my shops if >they have this stuff over here. >I am most conserned because i want to apply (embroider on) some >chenille flowers on the edge, and i am afraid if they will "run out" >But it would be the best solution to do, for authentic look! > >Bjarne If I don't want to use my pinking tool, I usually cut my scalloped ruffles with pinking scissors, - gives a "period" look. Sometimes I use fraycheck - depends on the fabric. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LIRcM012413 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:18:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LI4EP087123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LHvFs051270; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9K03E4089632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-212.sonic.net [209.148.113.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9K00Mb007648 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <43725544.7010004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:00:04 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's always preferable to reserve judgment about the validity of everything in every text, but without ever having an agenda of proving anyone "wrong." That's what objectivity is. Anyway, a picture might not show everything one needs to know but without it one knows even less. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > We weren't making any judgements. Just saying that there were some > weirdly formulated things in the text that would make it preferable to > reserve judgement about the validity of the text. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:19:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LJL9u012426 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LIqSp087231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LIhTd052046; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9L5E0o040448 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.205.169 ([204.127.205.169]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005110921050801300leqk0e>; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:05:08 +0000 Received: from [12.148.252.66] by 204.127.205.169; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:05:07 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:05:07 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052105.17043.437264830009B2830000429322028887449D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran wrote: > Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of > reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any > suggestions? > When my late brother was doing leather work professionally, green was the hardest color to use and control. You know how the 18th century costumers have all those "ick" greens to play with prior to the advent of aniline dye because there was no reliable one-step green dye and the blends all faded or were otherwise fugitive at different rates and stuff? It's a problem that hasn't been fully solved for leather (or, should you be interested, for papers, either) and so there is less control and less reliable outcome and etc. In addition for some reason the green dyes seem to interact with the leather color more, so you can't guarantee that the color on your sample will be the color on your bag ayway. Green is just tricky. So if you want a specific grayish green, you may have to mix your own, or try to find something translucent that will mute or drab the green you've got rather than finding the right green dye. Good luck! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 16:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9LrVWD012987 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9LqTh3091660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LqO35078524; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9LqFKE078411 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPP00CGNJEAOGD1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:51:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:02:39 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <437271FF.7040507@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <437160D9.2080306@woollycat.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Guess I should have said the U.S. Thanksgiving, I know Canada's is in Oct., but didn't think of that when I posted. We'll be there from Nov. 26 to Dec. 3rd. My husband has a conference there and I'm going along to play tourist. I should be able to navigate the Metro there even though I don't know much French. I managed the trains and subways in Japan a few years ago - not all the stations use dual text (kanji (sp)& roman) on their signs. I saw a reference to the McCord Museum costume collection. The link will be helpful. Thanks, Jeanine Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi, > > If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best > bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as > well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and > they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. > > The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology > museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the > first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more > recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by > date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the > museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, > so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a > little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's > a great Science museum in the Port too. > > You can also try the Stewart museum. > http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but > very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, > IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. > > If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north > of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a > couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for > example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. > http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need > the address, let me know). > > I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been > swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's > out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a > few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of > St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in > general. Some very fashionable stuff too. > > If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens > that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very > interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine > food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. > Entrance is free. > > Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal > activities. > > If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not > easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets > around are a real feast. Literally :-) > > For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French > side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about > St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between > Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French > on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the > English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent > street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also > try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - > and even down to Papineau. > > But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, > Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I > don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, > costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my > shopping for those things online! > > Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) > > Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by > now... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" > > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > > >> I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be >> some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... >> >> Jeanine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9MCBPZ013277 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MBTSE094558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MBOa2093945; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MBKLP093840 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 8D7295C2FC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:11:12 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Received: from [207.161.62.102] by mprdmailfe6.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:11:12 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 4cf57aa02c02add209534b2289cdec3b From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:11:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elvis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got a request from an Elvis impersonator to make him the '68 leather jacket (young sexy Elvis not fat, dead on the toilet, Elvis). I don't have the time to draft a pattern and haven't been able to find anything appropriate at Fabricland (Butterick and friends seem to think men would be better both naked). Any suggestions? Thanks Wendy _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Moc4l013877 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MnvKq099468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mnr7P024295; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mnmgq024188 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:49:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.118]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051109224941.LSJL6445.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:49:41 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:49:39 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and that they make it clear that they are talking about two different techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely well versed in textiles. There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the author's native language. The question lies in the terms "crochet" and "needle", after all, knitting "needles" don't have holes in them either! The possibility exists that the term "needle" as used here, may have been used instead of the American English "crochet hook". Yes, naalbinding was sometimes confused with either knit or crochet in museums in the early years of archaeology and I brought up the possibility in my post. Now if the author had specified that the needle had an hole, the question would not have been raised and I would assumed that naalbinding was intended. The textile produced is the final arbiter, but the Baltic States (Latvia, etc) is just a bit far for me to personally examine the textiles (assuming that I could even gain access). The intent of my question was to determine the correct two different techniques mentioned in the article. Sorry that I was too esoteric. The h-cost community is extremely diverse and knowledgeable and I was hoping someone might have seen something that I haven't. I will ILL the two references. "Crochet" is generally considered a 19th century technique, but I have not found anything creditable on it's early evolution... just speculation. It is possible to go from sheep to "crocheted" textile using only a spindle and whorl by plucking a staple ("rooing"), spinning with a drop spindle, removing the whorl and "crocheting" with the spindle. Not that that I know that this was done in early period in any country, but it IS possible. It is also impossible to detect a difference between a spindle with a notch (without whorl) and a "crochet hook". Thanks to everyone who commented on the question. Beth Matney At 03:14 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:10:29 -0800 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet > > > >were crochetted with a small bone needle." > >Crochet cannot be done with any kind of needle. Sorry, but your source >must have been written by someone who doesn't know knit from crochet. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 17:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9MxKMT014049 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9MwpLn001307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9MwlSv031474; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Mwfs3031326 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.67.51014c92 (48576) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <67.51014c92.30a3d901@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elvis To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:12:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, emmajean@myway.com writes: I don't have the time to draft a pattern and haven't been able to find anything appropriate at Fabricland (Butterick and friends seem to think men would be better both naked). Any suggestions? Once again, will any of the Kwik Sew patterns do? None for leather specifically, but perhaps you could modify the denim jacket or one of the other styles. Since Butterick has been bought out by McCall's, they seem to have slim pickings. And, yes, men's patterns in general are scarce, and almost every jacket/coat (men's AND women's) is made out of fleece. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Njg8J014761 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nihla007555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NieLP067036; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NiZM1066961 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01154 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:09:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:09:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the > author's native language. The question lies in the terms "crochet" and > "needle", after all, knitting "needles" don't have holes in them > either! The possibility exists that the term "needle" as used here, > may have been used instead of the American English "crochet hook". It strikes me that if only the textile is extant, than there's no way of knowing what the instrument was that made it, except by extrapolation from the product. So, it doesn't make sense that the author would have been describing a specific needle/hook/etc. It may simply be that in the original source, the language requires specifying "technique done with a needle" as a means of describing the particular technique, without any implication that the instrument was extant. A Danish-speaking costume scholar has pointed out to me that there are far fewer words in Danish than in English -- something like only one-fourth, IIRC -- and in turn, many of the costume terms she is accustomed to using in English have no equivalents in Danish. So, it's possible that in the source language, the way of specifying naalbinding would be something like "a looping method done with a needle" as opposed to another sort of looping method. If the word for "looping method" is the same for several different methods, then a translator (or an English-speaking scholar struggling to read the original paper) might easily end up with a literal, word-for-word translation such as "crochet made with a needle," which is quite confusing in English and perhaps not representative of the actual meaning of the phrase in the source language. I'm not intending to speculate that's what happened here, simply to point out that when dealing with translation of technical terms (particularly from a Scandinavian language to English), it's wise to be very suspicious of terminology. There's probably no way to be certain from the English, and you are on the right track to order the original sources. However, you may also need a textiles expert who is a native speaker of that language to tell you what the source phrase means in reality, not just word-for-word! Bear in mind that the NESAT papers are recent, and the scholars currently active. They are often quite receptive to courteous queries. Of course the scholar who cited the works may not have seen the original textile pieces, and may simply be taking the word of the quoted papers -- and because you've got a secondhand reference, there may be more than one level of translation involved! -- but it's quite possible that the scholars who made the original papers are still available and accessible as well. I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a textile expert and may be able to help you with the source documents even if she isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware of the frequent miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and is always on the lookout for specific examples. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9NsSEO014856 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Ns9de008687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Nromd073612; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrGbX073260 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns7jN001744 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:07 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hF138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154146.026bc068@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:44:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <43724B10.3040003@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Yes, but crochet needles usually are very, very fine and pointy. Please say hooks. > That's what they use for tambour work, because they need to pierece > through fabric. Not at all like like the ones we use for crocheting. Yes, actually, the two tools are pretty much interchangeable. And many early crochet hooks are built like tambour hooks, with a wood handle with the metal bit stuck in the end. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9NsVQZ014860 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Ns90O008685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9Nrotw073610; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrFgt073252 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns6jN001729 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:06 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hD138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154005.026bdeb8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <003601c5e564$dd80c020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <4.3.1.2.20051109100931.02688f10@mail.frys.com> <001d01c5e563$1ac7c570$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA9NrFgt073252 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Sorry i misspelled your name, i ment off cause Carolyn. No problem. I probably didn't even notice it was supposed to be me. I usually go by "Kayta", or "Käthe". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 18:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9Nsvoc014868 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9NsW9L008756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NsVst074111; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA9NrHdU073268 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA9Ns8jN001776 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:08 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.73.129] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-73-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.73.129]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA9Nr5hH138846 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051109154533.0366f378@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:48:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and >that they make it clear that they are talking about two different >techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological >Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely >well versed in textiles. Glad to know they know. It didn't sound like they knew, to me, from just your snippet. >"Crochet" is generally considered a 19th century technique, but I have not >found anything creditable on it's early evolution... just speculation. And there are no extant examples before then either, so it all has to be speculation. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 19:22:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA0Muvf015206 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:22:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA0MJdQ011780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA0MFRn090944; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA0MChp090915 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x30so100735nfb for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZHktk1XERvULVt3NPsxIJyqzGPrIGM5Hpr+xyOaSfeyiFcof9xYAFSO8HjajKwx2J1mTpAYR1zG8MHft7S60305TLBFs9V5ylf6S2ggErwM694c38H5GLDc7HswrvXCc5BwNKaXQHtME4Dngh7PepL/Ps/xiJxsTGcpV8S+f59I= Received: by 10.48.234.2 with SMTP id g2mr57745nfh; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:11 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAA0MChp090915 Subject: [h-cost] Hello/ questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello there, i found this place from a forum and thought i'd introduce myself with some questions. I am a member of a high fidelity 15th century group. Onto the questions. Aside from this group, i enjoy the 16th cenutyr and its clothing, puffed and slashed especially. I am mainly looking for links to construction ideas for puffed and slashed clothing. Mainly a doublet/jacket of some kind to start with. Any and all help you can provide would be fantastic. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 20:13:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA1D6Hq015940 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA1CgOr016559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA1CfuC018557; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA1CZ6N018518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0093.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.93]:2478 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Ea0zU-0006pM-CH for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <43729E80.5000301@floodcity.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:12:32 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles References: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c5e54c$2360d170$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi again, > Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles > of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and > i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. > How could i make the edge of this, so it wont fray? Should i make > buttonhole stitches? I want to add small bouquets of chenille flowers > here and there! Could i turn the edge, about 1-2 mm. and perhaps cut it > each top? I dont want to make tiny ones, but scallopes about 5 cm. wide > > Bjarne > Hi Bjarne, It seems to me that it's nearly impossible to make a narrow hem on a 5cm scallop. When scallops were popular fifty years ago, scallops were hemmed by laying a hem band together with the fabric, cutting the scallops, sewing them together on the scalloped edge with a narrow seam allowance, turn and hem the hem band to the reverse of the fashion fabric. hope this helps, Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 9 21:27:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA2R69E016984 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA2QUOX022841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA2QPfb054232; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA2QLF8054164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA3xXUV030948 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:59:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:27:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200511092114.jA9LEnhZ048651@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20051109152530.02a6f530@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511092127.49169.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 09 November 2005 5:49 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Sorry, the source makes it obvious that they know knit from crochet.. and > that they make it clear that they are talking about two different > techniques. This is the NESAT (Northern European Society of Archaeological > Textiles). This is a peer reviewed scholarly journal... they are extremely > well versed in textiles. [snip] Speaking of the NESAT, the same Polish archaelogical institute that published NESAT 8 is the publisher of Irena Turnau's history of knitting. It costs, I believe, 19 Euros and you can order it from them. Shipping is 6 Euros (because they ship by the Polish equivalent of book rate) and it thus takes about 2 months to get to the US, but the book seems well worth the money. I'm thinking about ordering it eventually. I cannot find the institute's catalog right now, otherwise I'd post the ISBN and other information about it. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA53caw019717 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:03:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA536XG037526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA52w7A026361; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA52o0P026316 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC3E73394E for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:02:49 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:02:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps this? http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/german.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA57V9k019737 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA57CLb037887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA57CUf028168; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA578iG028124 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ea4eR-0004eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:07 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:06:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, Also try: www.tandyleather.com They are a U.S. company - the cosplay site is Canadian, so shipping might be an issue (I'm assuming you're in the U.S.). You will need to use a deglazer (page 2 of dyes on the Tandy site) before dyeing - otherwise the dye will only sit on the surface and not penetrate, making it streaky. I've only used the Tandy ProDye, but that was on raw leather I tooled myself - it is specifically for vegetable tanned leather. The Fiebing's is a good brand - but I would apply it with a wool dauber (also available) rather than trying to use one of the sprays. Once the item is completely dry, then re-glaze it with one of the finishes. The dye will dye the zipper, no problem. For the green, perhaps use a very light tan dye - it won't quite be gray-green, but it will mute the chartreuse. Since these are chemicals, be sure to have good ventilation, and cover your work surface (it WILL go where you don't want it if you don't ). HTH, Sandy At 03:53 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:31:53 -0800 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: [h-cost] Question for leather dyers > >OK, so I bought a leather handbag with very attractive (but not super >deep) tooling all over it. But now I want to dye it the colors I >thought I was >getting. Or at least some kind of acceptable earthtones. I'm >hoping a reddish brown dye will work OK with the zipper. >I've never dyed leather before. (It is leather, not suede.) I'm >looking at the dyes on this website: > >http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/leather/leather.html >Does anyone recommend any dye brand in particular? If I want to >keep the green accents (aside from the piping, which I'm willing to >forego), how do I keep a dye (I'm leaning a bit to sprays but can be >swayed) from going where it shouldn't, and get neat demarcations >between the reddish brown and the grayish green I hope for? > >Finally, it looks like I shouldn't have trouble buying some kind of >reddish brown dye. But the grayish green looks problematic. Any suggestions? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA5OqlQ019916 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA5OScJ039583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5ORvA035273; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5OO2D035229 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:24:17 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:24:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.51] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511091739.jA9Hd5cI074278@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:24:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2005 05:24:17.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF41D440:01C5E5B6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looping the Loop (please forward) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend asked me to help pass this around the net. -------------------------------- ‘LOOPING THE LOOPS’, RESEARCH BY THE EARLY KNITTING HISTORY GROUP Saturday, 11th March, 2006. at The Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House, Strand, London, WC2. Following its former successes the Early Knitting History Group is to hold a one-day seminar of continuing research into knitting and similar non-woven fabrics up to the year 1600. This will be in collaboration with Medats at the Courtauld Institute at Somerset House on the above date. Papers will cover the history, techniques, excavation, conservation, collection, recording and depictions of early handknitting, with samples and demonstrations throughout the day. For further details see www.medats.org.uk or contact Kirstie Buckland, at 01600-712469 or ‘kb@qualitycaps.co.uk’ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 00:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA5rVMA020173 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA5r8qU042325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5r4Av046123; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5r0lZ046093 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA36A12EAB0 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 Message-ID: <1131601978.4372e03ace821@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:52:58 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> In-Reply-To: <20051109221112.8D7295C2FC@mprdmxin.myway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elvis OT-ish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I got a request from an Elvis impersonator One of my pro-wrestler clients was taken to the hospital with a suspected broken rib a few weeks back. In the next cubical was an Elvis with a broken arm and his wig hanging floppily over the edge of the stretcher. Just thought I'd add that for no reason, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 01:44:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA6ikof020767 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:44:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA6iDYW046462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA6i8xS063778; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAA6i2Gn063654 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66771 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 06:43:56 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110063844.01d8fe88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:43:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looping the Loop (please forward) In-Reply-To: References: <200511091739.jA9Hd5cI074278@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:24 10/11/2005, you wrote: >A friend asked me to help pass this around the net. >-------------------------------- >'LOOPING THE LOOPS', >RESEARCH BY >THE EARLY KNITTING HISTORY GROUP >Saturday, 11th March, 2006. >at >The Courtauld Institute of Art >Somerset House, Strand, London, WC2. > >Following its former successes the Early Knitting History Group is >to hold a one-day seminar of continuing research into knitting and >similar non-woven fabrics up to the year 1600. This will be in >collaboration with Medats at the Courtauld Institute at Somerset >House on the above date. >Papers will cover the history, techniques, excavation, conservation, >collection, recording and depictions of early handknitting, with >samples and demonstrations throughout the day. > >For further details see www.medats.org.uk or contact Kirstie >Buckland, at 01600-712469 or 'kb@qualitycaps.co.uk' Just for information - this is a sub-group of the "Medieval Dress and Textiles Society" which is inexpensive to join. If you are in or near, (or can get to) London they hold whole day meetings regularly on many dress and textile related subjects. The last one I went to was on "Narrow Wares" and the last one, a two day seminar, was about the use of gold and silver thread. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 04:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAA95dZF017610 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAA959cu056666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA953qJ016629; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA94vPH016585 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E18E262870 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:04:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008401c5e5d5$d80d1d20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:05:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] treatment of scalloped edges X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A lady on another list i am on, told me she used spray glue on the backside of the fabric both for scalloped sleaves and scalloped edge of a polonaise skirt. Then she sprayed the edges with hairspray. I think i will try this, on some samplers first. Many thanks for all your advises.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 05:54:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAAsv0V008141 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAAsM9s077878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAAsIAu056261; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAAAsElf056199 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 94263 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 10:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 10:54:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105105.01d7ae88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:54:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Searching for a photo In-Reply-To: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:20 09/11/2005, you wrote: >This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with >silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and >enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses >would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter >from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of >England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his >marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with >Maximilian's representative to I think her name was >Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. > >I have come across pictures of both you are speaking >of on a Russian, of all places, website. The >Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one >wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the >black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but >not useful for detail purposes. > >National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was >just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a >little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the >size of the available buckles - again though, buckle >purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for >repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward >to packing all of this into anything smaller than one >inch, however. > >Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I >am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - >"pence", however it could be a more period spelling as >I have found multiple references with that same >misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of >this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or >some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. >The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" >on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. >Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a >combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I >am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" >based on the script style. This item looks >surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a >decorative section at the strap end. Kathy The "garter" should be longer that is normal. There is a long piece after the end is threaded through the buckle, which threads under the strap, leaving a loop, through which the leading end is then threaded. So there is not only a buckle but a tie as well. If this doesn't make sense, I will make you a diagram, or take a photo if one made up with ribbon. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 08:52:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAADqTKx026141 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAADpquv099492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADplNY025057; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADphYj024994 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bb.6479a81f (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:39:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Forgive that i have another question. I want to make the sleave ruffles of the yellow dress with scalloped edges. I dont have pinking tools, and i just want to cut it with ordinary scissors. They do make scalloped pinking shears.... if you can find them! On "Last of the Mohicans" for the girls' "frilly frocks" they just cut the ruffles in a scalloped pattern with regular pinking shears and then covered the pointed pinking with either a fancy braid or a ruffled ribbon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 08:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAADtG4d026183 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAADstSg099800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADstIY027149; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADsp2L027098 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:54:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e5.20381b1b (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:54:41 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:54:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." In lieu of "Fray Check", watered down glue [Sobo glue is a white glue we have here that doesn't dry clean or wash out] will do. But both these substances can leave a dark mark on silk [or even acetate] taffeta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:08:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAE8Jbh026381 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE7vUb001323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7tDH033421; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7qHp033388 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1883D5EE075 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:07:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005b01c5e600$3505fae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:08:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] scalloped again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry i keep on with this. In Patterns of Fashion there is a Pet en Láir 1745 50 from Snowhill manor wich has a few scallops in the sleave ruffle, and the edge is rolled gently up and stitched. I didnt notice that, and as a matter of fact this was what i wanted to do, but i was only conserned if it was period. I know i said i would make the scallopes about 5 cm, but i realise this is two small. But i could make bigger scallopes and roll up the hem as i liked to do......... So i have asked all you in vain, sorry about that. Its me that dont know much about anything isnt it! I think i must read some more.................. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAE8ZNx026387 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE8AIv001344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE89gN033536; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE7uuT033386 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.e0308e7 (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:07:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.e0308e7.30a4ae35@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:07:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greenberg & Hammer carries Fiskar scallop fabric shears [9891] and wavy fabric shears [98920] _Greenberg & Hammer, Inc. shears_ (http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47) I'm sure they'll ship to Europe.....won't they? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 09:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAEA2VU026414 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:10:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAE9lDu001608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE9lQm034318; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE9gH2034253 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.223.25fbfd5 (4568) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <223.25fbfd5.30a4ae90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:09:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Greenberg & Hammer address again.....I forget you can't just drag things into the list so I don't know if the link will post in the other message I sent. _http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47_ (http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?CatID=47) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:19:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGIxl0028466 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:19:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGIDV1017551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGI7cn012620; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:18:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAA5t9c4046944 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=rANMqcMt2T2AS2HXAyfkzauFOtjE+zoMYecR9DcVoFucCLKFTXytYO2c3DDjy8c3; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.233.65.53] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ea5Ou-0002dS-Bu for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:55:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:53:03 -0800 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c0251c72ed69ed8be0595390b4a780a7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.233.65.53 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth wrote: >The quote below is the earliest dating that I have heard for knitting and >especially crochet in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or deny using >other archaeological sources? There is, of course, the possibility of >translation error in the article and that they are referring to naalbinding >(given the reference to a small bone needle) or some other technique. > >"That knitting has an old tradition in the Baltic states is evident from >archaeological data of Latvia and Estonia (Peets 1987, 105-16; Zarina, >Caune 1980, 60-9). In cultural layers of Riga, dated to the 12th-15th >centuries, woollen gloves and mittens were found. Some of them were knitted >and others were crochetted with a small bone needle." >( from pg 283, "Holiday Clothing of Lithuanian Country Women in the >15th-16th centuries" by Saule Urbanaviciene in NESAT 6) Knitting in Europe in the 13th century is well known from other European sources: not common, but certainly in existence. The Historic Knit list had a reference to a 13th-century piece outside Spain, for instance, though I don't recall the specifics (and don't have access to them here). So I would not be terribly surprised by a 12th-century piece, if that's what it is. There are knitted pieces in Egypt that are probably older. The "crochet", on the other hand, I would suspect of being a misinterpretation: I'd be totally unsurprised by naalbinding, but I wouldn't take this citation as evidence for crochet without seeing and analyzing the actual piece(s). My reasoning is this: (1) The earliest other pieces I know of that do indeed turn out to be crochet are early 19th century. (2) In the past, a lot of non-specialists have identified a variety of non-crochet techniques as "crochet" -- it seems to be the default term for "this clearly isn't knitting but I'm not familiar with the technique." Now this article seems to be by a clothing specialist, so I'd expect that in this case this is not the problem. (3) Many people would _like_ crochet to date back to the Middle Ages, for various reasons: because it seems logical, because they want crochet to have ancient and romantic origins, because they do historical recreation and would like to include crochet, and so forth. So there is something of a tendency for people to seize on the slightest indication and crow "See! Crochet is period!" (not that I think Beth is doing this!) (4) As we have seen in the translation of Irena Turnau's book (from Polish), some of the less Western-European languages (the Slavic group definitely, and perhaps the Baltic and Finno-Estonian groups as well) may not "map" the word "crochet" in exactly the same way we do. We've been told, for instance, that Polish has two completely different words that are both translated "crochet" -- although I don't know whether these are just two names for the same thing, or two different techniques that we would lump together but that Polish may separate. All of this leads me to think that, of all needlework terms, "crochet" is the most likely to turn out to be a mistaken translation of a word in another language -- possibly referring to a quite different (and NOT crochet) technique. As others have said, the most likely candidate for this is naalbinding. IIRC we _do_ have considerable evidence for woolen gloves and mittens done in naalbinding from these centuries and even earlier ones. Of course this doesn't prove that this is _not_ crochet, but it explains why I think many of us are suspicious of this citation. >This references: > >Peets J., 1987: 'Totenhandschuhe im Bestattungsbrauchtum de Esten und >anderen Ostseefinnen'. Fenoscandia Archaeologica. IV. Helsinki. 105-16 German: roughly translated as "Burial gloves in funeral customs of Estonia (?) and other Baltic Sea Finnish people." >Caune A., Zarina A., 1980: 'Rigas 13.-15. gs. vilnas cimdi'. Latvijas PSR >zinatnu akademijas vestis, Nr.1 (39), 60-9. Latvian(?): it looks like "13th to 15th century [somethings] from Riga." ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/PJ_qlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ---------------------------------------------------- This is the Authentic SCA eGroup Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Authentic_SCA/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Authentic_SCA-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGK6Xs028488 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGJjrf017770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGJigu013800; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAAB0wSU058771 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34221 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:00:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:20 09/11/2005, you wrote: >This one is blue silk, what looks like grosgrain with >silver gilt thread embroidery, gold buckle and >enamelled Tudor roses in place where your crosses >would be. This is the oldest known surviving Garter >from that Order. Apparently it was sent by the King of >England to Maximilian to confirm his support of his >marriage proposal. This item was eventually sent with >Maximilian's representative to I think her name was >Anne, IIRC, for the first proxy marriage ceremony. > >I have come across pictures of both you are speaking >of on a Russian, of all places, website. The >Goldworked one had a lovely picture, the black one >wasn't as detailed since they took the pic of the >black garter atop black moire taffeta - artistic, but >not useful for detail purposes. > >National Trust has a photo purchase section, I was >just hoping not to have to go that far. This was a >little side adventure for me. I guess I'll make it the >size of the available buckles - again though, buckle >purveyors might be very interested in the buckle for >repro purposes anyway. I wouldn't be looking forward >to packing all of this into anything smaller than one >inch, however. > >Incidentally, for the purposes of trivia, the garter I >am looking for has "pense" spelled wrong on it - >"pence", however it could be a more period spelling as >I have found multiple references with that same >misspelling. Additionally, the other photo I have of >this item _appears_ to have something else on it, or >some really wild looking gothic script, I can't tell. >The buckle end has either "POM--", "HOM--" or "BOM--" >on it, depending on which way you turn the photo. >Someone either couldn't spell, I can't read, or a >combination of the two. :-) It's possible too that I >am mistaking the "M" for a really tightly packed "NI" >based on the script style. This item looks >surprisingly long for a garter and seems to have a >decorative section at the strap end. http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGKaX6028499 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGJMeV017674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGJLZl013446; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52207.mail.yahoo.com (web52207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAA7HMB0075888 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 58696 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Nov 2005 07:17:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5z1bbR6uTFrjny7UOUuMdV1gSVba4sa2iKZ/N6TeHczO38iRTzF7Swpjrgii149OtESB14Uznklsuv9xICV1i46RdKX7kOs1PNbMkrAtqmlwvkIURR+ykCpjZHLyS13Hro2cMNGrsVwejfJoVcqq99dGC6IWfnDdOPWU2exgVyA= ; Message-ID: <20051110071715.58694.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:17:15 EST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <437271FF.7040507@woollycat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hope you enjoy your trip as much as I did. We went to the McCord Museum to see my husband's grandfathers picture collection when it was on display there. The romanian gypsy outfit looked great in his photos and then I got a book "Cut my Cote". In this book from the Royal Ontario Museum is a picture of almost the same outfit. The book states that the outfit is Roumanian, North Moldavia, Late 19th Century. Surprising that there was a young women wearing the almost exact outfit in the nothern interior of BC in the 1920's.The outfit is so ornate with it's embroidery, woven belt, black wool wrap-around skirt and white linen & cotton shirt. She was photographed outside on a wintery day so the darker color really pop from all that white. Yes, she got her money for not putting a curse on the family and offering goodluck instead.. Edith "Jeanine E. Swick" wrote: Guess I should have said the U.S. Thanksgiving, I know Canada's is in Oct., but didn't think of that when I posted. We'll be there from Nov. 26 to Dec. 3rd. My husband has a conference there and I'm going along to play tourist. I should be able to navigate the Metro there even though I don't know much French. I managed the trains and subways in Japan a few years ago - not all the stations use dual text (kanji (sp)& roman) on their signs. I saw a reference to the McCord Museum costume collection. The link will be helpful. Thanks, Jeanine Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi, > > If you want costumes, the McCord Museum will probably be your best > bet. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/. Check their online catalog as > well. A little hard to navigate, but they have many amazing items and > they're not all on display, at least not all at the same time. > > The Pointe-à-Callière is interesting as well, but it's an archeology > museum, not a costume collection. No fabric there, but a visit of the > first settlements of the city. Lots of arrowheads, but also more > recent stuff, pottery, glass, other household items, all arranged by > date, and the fundations of the very old building underneath the > museum. http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/indexan.html It's in the Old Port, > so you can visit the area too, although it's probably starting to be a > little empty at this time of year - and it will be windy too. There's > a great Science museum in the Port too. > > You can also try the Stewart museum. > http://www.stewart-museum.org/map.htm. Few articles of clothing, but > very, very interesting items, most in the 17th to 19th century range, > IIRC. Not very big, but the exhibitions are usually very interesting. > > If you want fabric, the usual location is on St-Hubert street, north > of Jean-Talon. It's the so-called fabric district. But there's a > couple of other places as well, out of the fabric district, for > example a shop called Rix Rax for buttons and notions. > http://www.rixrax.ca/ (another annoying QuickTime site - if you need > the address, let me know). > > I don't know of a good independant library. Most of them have been > swallowed up by Renaud-Bray and Archambault. There's Olivieri but it's > out of the way of major attractions. For used books and CDs, there's a > few on Mont-Royal, east of St-Denis. Mont-Royal, both east and west of > St-Denis, is THE place to go for used clothing - and used things in > general. Some very fashionable stuff too. > > If you're still there December 2nd, the Salon des Métiers d'Art opens > that day. You'll have the cheesy artsy stuff, but also the very > interesting modern art objects to buy, as well as a few local fine > food producers - some of what they sell is not available in stores. > Entrance is free. > > Try www.montrealplus.ca for all (well... let's say a lot of) Montreal > activities. > > If you're into food, take a trip to Jean-Talon market. Parking is not > easy so try to go during the week. The market itself and the streets > around are a real feast. Literally :-) > > For general shopping, restaurants, those kinds of things... The French > side is St-Denis street, between Ste-Catherine and... oh... about > St-Joseph. The mixed, a little more chic street is St-Laurent, between > Sherbrooke and St-Joseph. (St-Laurent cuts Montreal in half - French > on the East, English on the West side, more or less). Where the > English (and most tourists) go for bars and restaurants is Crescent > street, mostly between de Maisonneuve and René-Lévesque. You can also > try Ste-Catherine street from Peel street down to about Berri street - > and even down to Papineau. > > But if you're looking for anything in particular (antiques, crafts, > Japanese food, paper, tea, fancy men's hats - whatever) let me know. I > don't know a lot of places, but maybe I can help - yes, I know, > costumes and fabric and books :-) Unfortunately, I do most of my > shopping for those things online! > > Other than that... frankly, we rarely know our own city very well :-) > > Oh, and BTW, Canadian Thanksgiving is in October :-) It's long gone by > now... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine E. Swick" > > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] O.T. traveling to Montreal > > >> I'll be in Montreal the week following Thanksgiving. What would be >> some good sites/museums to visit? Costuming, unique fabric, books.... >> >> Jeanine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGKgEV028505 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:20:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGK2XC017837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGK0IF014086; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAADQFfm014890 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D5B4147FF25 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:26:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Melanie, I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of the oak leaves? How thick is this cord? http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its one of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGNt3t028559 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGK83T017864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGK8Yw014239; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAE0bZk029695 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D5B262807 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:00:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005301c5e5ff$32f69850$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for your help. I dont want to make a fringe on the edge of the scallopes, and a lady from the gustavians, told me she had used a spray glue on the backside of the silk and then a hairspray on the edge, and it worked very well. Ill try this out, also because this is things i can get here, and i dont want to waite for a month for an order overseas. Thanks anyway........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] scalloped sleave ruffles > > In a message dated 11/9/2005 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wickedfrau@msn.com writes: > > very light coat of "fray check" with a micro brush. I will try > to find a link of all these things is you don't have them "over there." > > > > In lieu of "Fray Check", watered down glue [Sobo glue is a white glue we > have here that doesn't dry clean or wash out] will do. But both these > substances > can leave a dark mark on silk [or even acetate] taffeta. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 11:29:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAGTl5R028647 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:29:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAGTIoj019162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGTFjr021149; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGTAhA021029 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.190]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20051110162904.TFTB12191.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:29:04 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20051110102406.02a386e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:29:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> References: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Robin! I'll try and find her. She probably has already resolved the question. Beth At 10:17 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American >researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these >items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid >something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a textile >expert and may be able to help you with the source documents even if she >isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware of the frequent >miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and is always on the >lookout for specific examples. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 12:17:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAHHVq5029473 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAHGPoI026530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHGNuD057511; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHGHSW057396 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kat@redtrollforge.com) Received: from katscomputer (ip32.4.dsl-acs2.ptldor2.iinet.com [198.145.4.32]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176F37A1B2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) From: kat@redtrollforge.com To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:16:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: early Knitting and crochet Message-ID: <43730FD7.23845.150C580@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.0.0.22.0.20051110102406.02a386e0@mail.alltel.net> References: <200511101617.jAAGHT20012140@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 10:17 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: > >I would also encourage you to contact Anne Marie Haymes, an American > >researcher who is a naalbinding specialist and has seen many of these > >items. (Anne Marie is also active in the SCA under the name of Sigrid > >something-or-other.) She is a professional translator as well as a > >textile expert and may be able to help you with the source documents > >even if she isn't familiar with the specific finds. She is well aware > >of the frequent miscataloguing of naalbound examples in museums and > >is always on the lookout for specific examples. > > > >--Robin Anne Marie is aka Sigrid Briansdottir. She's currently living in, I believe, North Carolina. (Atlantia in SCA terms anyway. And we in the Pacific NW miss her terribly.) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 12:41:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAHfSdu029899 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAHevaP007263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHeqrv076988; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAHekTJ076890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-30.sonic.net [209.148.113.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAGfGjO009571 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:16 -0800 Message-ID: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks very much for your help. Not having planned to take up leather dyeing, and therefore not having researched it, I was not aware that I had to deglaze the purse, dye it, then reglaze. If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when you paint the molding another color? Thanks a lot, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Fran, > > Also try: www.tandyleather.com > They are a U.S. company - the cosplay site is Canadian, so shipping > might be an issue (I'm assuming you're in the U.S.). > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 13:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAIV60P030744 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAIUFjg014007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAIGt8j005347; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAIGhJN005104 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21a.25f04b1 (58435) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <21a.25f04b1.30a4e86a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:16:10 EST Subject: [h-cost] Hello/ questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Thomas, Welcome, and have you tried the Costumer's Manifesto? might have links to info sites (although haven't looked personally for C16th lately). www.costumes.org Also, Janet Arnold's book may help (Patterns of Fashion - from Paul Meekins or Caliver in the UK) - although it doesn't give instructions so much as descriptions of the originals. You could also try contacting the Goodmans (Ruth and Mark) (can't remember their trading name, but will check market website when in less of a rush, and post it if noone else has). Ruth does restoration, and both were *extremely* helpful when a client and I were trying to decipher an obscure C16th Irish woodcut earlier this year! Debs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 16:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAALFLnw001003 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAALEmkG044754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAALEVB2041598; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAALEKnp041403 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l24so158358nfc for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GBYcSxqrc0gm9wjY2AGLodvIOSQReJ5M3m1L9r4PlKokjFltHGr4y5sLu5Jgtck8D5eZvRhGevBy40uqghE/yYvhK+dG5SNeLrNy5TvTiYI6xBDOUj4mkJZ/VpXNGESmBJhP5NFk/6PbSRvRTB4J5K81FXJVV0fhUORsulGleJU= Received: by 10.48.236.15 with SMTP id j15mr123927nfh; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:14:11 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAALEKnp041403 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you everybody fr the welcome and links. I'll poke around those sites or now and come back when i'm stuck (probaby not that soon) :-) -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 17:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAAMcLY9002657 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAAMblPG056361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAMbZc0006664; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAAMbS9Y006586 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB09151DBD for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:37:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110143609.035ee1c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:42:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello/ questions In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:22 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: >Aside from this group, i enjoy the 16th cenutyr and its clothing, >puffed and slashed especially. I am mainly looking for links to >construction ideas for puffed and slashed clothing. Mainly a >doublet/jacket of some kind to start with. Any and all help you can >provide would be fantastic. Hello Thomas, What nationality for cut/slash work are you looking for? What time frame of 16th century? I am very familiar with some of it, as in English and a bit of German military. If you are interested in German, there is a yahoogroups list you might want to check out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume/ I've done a couple of German styles, and have dressdiary style entries on my web site German Dopplesoldier's Slash & Puff Doublet http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/dopplesoldier/index.html German Captain's Waffenrock http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/CptnWaffenrock/index.html And I did an English doublet for my husband where I made part of it slashed. It was in black velveteen with red silk showing under the slashes. My entry for his doublet is here, and I do show some of the inner construction (although not all of the details). http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/ElzbthnPeascod/index.html hth, Kimiko Kimiko Small Costumer, Fiber Artist, Web Designer, Wife and Mother Personal site: http://www.kimiko1.com LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/~sstormwatch/ "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." - Eleanor Roosevelt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 18:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAANVO3m003592 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAANV5nu063131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAANV2n2045075; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAANUvtn044965 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.6d.5178ec82 (4459) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.5178ec82.30a53226@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:30:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not big on dying leather myself either, only have one tip - result of a friend's learning experience - if using tape to mask, make sure it's low-tack!! (Friend made huge mess) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0KwwF004598 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0K2AD069535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0Jx05079947; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0JpCL079847 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.129.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.129] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EaMdy-0003Ur-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: <4373E2FD.8040306@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:01 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Melanie, > I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that > Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? I got it from Rising River Thread Express http://www.threadexpress.com/ but I can't now find it on their site. You might email Jean and see if she still carries it. She's tremendously nice. It's not hard to find, though. A short Google search turned up these and more: http://store.apneedlearts.com/trebizond.html http://www.elainemagnin.com/silks.html http://www.nordicneedle.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=I18-00-00 > If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of > the oak leaves? How thick is this cord? Yes--all the stems are Trebizond. In most places there are two cords right next to each other. The cord itself is fairly thin (1 mm in diameter), but with two side-by-side, it works. I tried thicker twisted threads (couldn't find any thicker silk cording), but it looked too bulky. If it was in colors on a pale background, the stems might look too thin, but since it's black silk on black velvet, it's more the texture that's important. > http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html > Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its > one of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. I'm blushing!! Thank you. There are aspects of it that I wish were a little different, but at least I'm getting plenty of practice! When I finish, decades from now, I'll post a pic of the completed outfit. ;) Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0TbT5004787 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0T4du070648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0T3LO085477; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0Sx5t085433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0477.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.223]:3238 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EaMmp-0001gi-0O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4373E5C6.1000108@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:28:54 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 References: <200511092153.jA9Lr1am079020@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051109225551.02c7cfe0@pop.radiks.net> <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Fran, I'm pretty sure that we used to use contact cement to mask off areas of the leather, then rubbed it off. I might be wrong though, it was 36 years ago. If you try it, try it on an inconspicuous area first before you use it on the whole purse. Kitty Lavolta Press wrote: > Thanks very much for your help. Not having planned to take up leather > dyeing, and therefore not having researched it, I was not aware that I > had to deglaze the purse, dye it, then reglaze. > If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, > do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color > when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when > you paint the molding another color? > > Thanks a lot, > > Fran > Lavolta Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 19:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB0muvI005098 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB0masj072400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB0mYxq095627; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB0mUQt095540 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11464 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 00:48:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nBx6MONFZX13W1N3pPyfIOfb2jVs4Dnc8RC++gLMT/VIo7wxvhP7//ZF1qFi87V/AHK55rfEQzeeYHy9yrPKT+ayIHyO4zDRDdxKtc/7yNwCP+zQqtX7n+ybaynM8M8IE9/tpfKdM0EV1sPfPia5hyssMRxOXFk9EqwwiIvJtpE= ; Message-ID: <20051111004824.11462.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:48:24 PST Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4373782F.3060203@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, I don't know if this will be suitable for your use, but I think you would have more reliable results if you dulled down the entire purse with one color of dye, say a medium brown, than trying to overdye two separate areas. If the dye you use is a red-brown, than you'll get the duller, greyer green, and the deeper but muted red you were looking for (iirc). Ann in CT > If you are dyeing the same item two different colors > in different areas, > do you use masking tape or something to protect the > edges of one color > when you are doing another? Like masking off the > edges of a wall when > you paint the molding another color? > > Fran __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB34t4e007774 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB34NeZ084642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB34G2d062038; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB34CYI061954 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.250.c53d9c (16930) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good site? I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. So... I went with friends to the DC Eagle, a leather bar [what a bunch of crazy and great guys! So what if they want to parade around in a harness and leather jock strap. Whatever get's you thru the night, y'know] and met a guy there who was gonna buy a leather "kilt" for $200 from the local leather fetish shop. He knew I had made a kilt for my friend Bill and wanted me to check out the leather version at the shop. So the next day we walked over to the shop. What a piece of junk! It was made of coat/vest weight black leather. It had an apron and under-apron like a kilt....and closed with straps and buckles like a kilt. But it had a basque that went to hip level where the pleats started. It only had pleats on the sides, the CB was flat for about 8". And to top it all off, the hem was a couple of inches above the knee. It looked like an S&M cheerleader skirt. I talked him out of wasting his money. [even though it probably woulda gone over big at the bar] But it could work. Why not make it out of light/shirt weight leather and just do it like a real kilt? Make the pleats go all the way across the back....a little more than full return deep. And cut it [why they turned a hem on the other one I'll never know] to knee level. I think instead of binding the top edge, I might put it on a wide [slightly curved] waist band to imitate the belt of a real kilt. I'd use lots of hardware too. It could work.....and look good. One thing I did learn from the cheerleader skirt: Each pleat and its return was a separate strip. The seam holding it to the next strip was at the back of the return, making sure it stayed in the right direction. The front of the pleats were edge stitched too to keep them folded in the right direction. All that top stitching actually helps the look. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:18:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB3I5rr008082 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:18:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB3HnTe085974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3HkCo068755; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3Helc068698 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9588E51C43 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191203.0366b528@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:14:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:26 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >Dear Melanie, >I hope not it is two nosy of me to ask, but where did you get that >Trebizond cord that you used in your Elizabethan embroidery doublet? >If i understand it correctly you used it for the branches or stems of the >oak leaves? How thick is this cord? >http://www.faucet.net/costume/black.html >Nomatter what you say, it is totally gorgeous embroidery, i think its one >of the best i have seen yeat for Elizabethan reproduktion. > >Bjarne Thank you Bjarne for posting this on the list. Melanie, I, too, love the work you have done on that doublet. You have inspired me to follow suit, as soon as I can find some time and a suitable project to work on. Ah, perhaps the glove gauntlets I keep wanting to do, since small and portable must be a part of the criteria. Please Melanie, keep us informed on your progress. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 22:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB3IJjM008085 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:18:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB3I1sO086006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3I1Kk068897; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB3Hv2d068865 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E999051C09 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:17:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html > >Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. I also have this site bookmarked on the modern Garter. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 10 23:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB4jYFx010012 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB4ixY0093671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB4ivNh009091; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB4ir7Q009071 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EaQmR-0002iA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:44:51 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051110222028.02e18ea8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:24:56 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511101900.jAAJ0ls7040418@net.indra.com> References: <200511101900.jAAJ0ls7040418@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, I think you would only have to mask if you're spraying the color on. Otherwise, just use a small brush along the edge, and dye with the lighter color first. If you wanted a really sharp line, you could do it in two stages, re-glazing the lighter color along the edge (again with a small brush) before dyeing the darker color. The glaze would act a little like a resist. If the leather is fairly smooth, the dye doesn't really bleed all that much. Sandy At 01:00 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0800 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 716 > >If you are dyeing the same item two different colors in different areas, >do you use masking tape or something to protect the edges of one color >when you are doing another? Like masking off the edges of a wall when >you paint the molding another color? > >Fran >Lavolta Press "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 01:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB6kJxY012857 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB6javK004208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB6jW66058546; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB6jSkG058477 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66861 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 06:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 06:45:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111064348.01d735d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:44:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> References: <200511091536.jA9FaQ4k079434@net.indra.com> <20051109172039.84939.qmail@web52105.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051110105945.01d03c70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191659.03658e50@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:17 11/11/2005, you wrote: >>http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/Garters.html >> >>Information and a picture of the modern "Garter", for your interest. > > >I also have this site bookmarked on the modern Garter. >http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter > >Kimiko That is terrific - it shows the knot I was trying to describe perfectly. Thanks Kimiko. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 02:57:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB7vHUZ027215 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB7uOMd011317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB7uH1n090077; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52210.mail.yahoo.com (web52210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAB7uF50090039 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 59380 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 07:56:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hbw250jcO87CrewXV8PI1hVkjBVZVFVtS7/6jvXcJXovxsGZacTCiV7ApdSyGQnWhlNoeSwGE56Gac9Pm3O2N7/pD+8zTPUdz230UHApXrlSdI3zfO0sMBUHXoyNli9+06kiw9f46H8sWS6uFiiwLfuj1v3qlMtWHARvrLUD4mk= ; Message-ID: <20051111075610.59378.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:10 EST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try some of these I seem to have misplaced some of the best sites. http://whttp://www.diycostume.com/leather_intro.php http://www.diycostume.com/leather_intro.php http://leatherunltd.com/leather/oak/oak.html http://www.leatherfactory.com/ http://www.brettunsvillage.com/leather/suede.html http://www.florilegium.org/ Crafts then leather dye or leather Need to put detailed designs on Leather use "Sharpie" felt pens and then use a good leather sealer. I've seen a bag 25 yrs. old done with sharpies and the colors were still great but it must be resealed about every 5 yrs.. Edith AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good site? --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 03:22:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAB8M7mZ000499 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:22:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAB8LjGf013240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB8Lhiv000579; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAB8LcUS000539 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24737.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.55]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E89075EE054 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:21:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5e698$f1c11eb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello/ questions Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:21:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Thomas, I also welcome you here. I'm not so much into renaissance, but 18th. century, but recently i got an old book from 1919, german called "Costumkunde fur Sammler" It has a photo of a roman renaissance doublet, with a mixture of the italian and spanish style. Its got a lot of slashing in the sleaves, and a lot of puffed layers two. Very elegant, but this is only a photo of the jacket, no pattern, but perhaps it could be an inspiration for you. If you would like, i would not mind scanning it and send it for you! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hayman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello/ questions > Thank you everybody fr the welcome and links. I'll poke around those > sites or now and come back when i'm stuck (probaby not that soon) :-) > -- > Yours sincerely > > Thomas Hayman > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 09:12:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABEBxhV020102 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEBKPu057104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEBFfH039753; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEBBVj039720 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.147.53] (dialup-4.249.147.53.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.147.53]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEB6eh001384 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <4374A66D.1010107@theoldforest.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:10:53 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying References: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <250.c53d9c.30a56420@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how > the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to buy > hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good > site? > > I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. Try the leather pages at while the main focus of the site may be lord of the rings movie costumes, there's a whole lot of info about sewing and leatherwork in general. This page will take you to ones on how to estimage leather for a project, what weight for what sort of project, terms and definations, how to make some things that aren't leather look like it, and a bunch of methods of working with the leather. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 09:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABEZqro020661 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABEZRNk059504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEZQKm052656; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABEZNaV052629 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E15C40654 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.436af616.606df for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DdKwqrGwCIQIAAAAB,cd5fce78b39213767fadb743dcff5f68 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-15 80 X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051111063522.59D4B626@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Karen, What a wonderful story! I've saved it, it delighted me so much. Smiling still, Joannah. Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABFE0EV021544 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABFDXsU063038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFDPR0073848; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFDLfa073747 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:13:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbt052655@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:13:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2005 15:13:15.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[705B00E0:01C5E6D2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather dying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how >the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to >buy >hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good >site? Not a *good* one. You can find bits and pieces here and there though. And I know *I* will be perfectly happy to answer questions. You might also try asking at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medieval-leather/ It's a good list, but a bit moribund lately. Just as a fair warning - there is a tremendous amount of folklore and "traditionally handed down" information in the leather world - if you see people saying authoritatively "you should never do this or that" be aware that it probably won't hurt to do it whatever way they suggest, but the reason they give may not be the whole story. They are often just repeating what they were taught in good faith. However the sites that others have been suggesting are definately worth taking a look. >I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. First you need a pattern :) >leather jock strap. Whatever get's you thru the night, y'know] and met a >guy >there who was gonna buy a leather "kilt" for $200 from the local leather >fetish >shop. That's cheaper than a good wool one - which should tell you something right there. >What a piece of junk! It was made of coat/vest weight black leather. It had >an apron and under-apron like a kilt....and closed with straps and buckles >like a kilt. But it had a basque that went to hip level where the pleats >started. It only had pleats on the sides, the CB was flat for about 8". >And to top >it all off, the hem was a couple of inches above the knee. Well, I will say that if you were going to do a leather kilt, the first thing to keep in mind is that puppie's going to be *heavy*. The more pleats you put in it, the heavier it will be (not to mention hard to sit on). Ok, leather thickness is usually (in the US at least) measured in "ounces". Garment weight leather is about 2-3 ounces, which means that a square foot weighs 2-3 ounces (an "ounce" is *I think* about 1/64" (.4mm) but this will vary slightly by type of leather, tannage, the weather, how well it was split). Now if we assume a full wool kilt is made with 6 yards as a minimum and 2.5 feet from hem to waistline - this is an estimate for illustration, only. That's (6x3x2.5) 45 square feet. 45*2.5 (a median point for 2-3 oz leather) that's 112.5 ounces of leather, or slightly over 7 pounds of leather. And that's not counting the weight of the thread and other attachments. >But it could work. Why not make it out of light/shirt weight leather and >just do it like a real kilt? Make the pleats go all the way across the >back....a >little more than full return deep. And cut it [why they turned a hem on the >other one I'll never know] to knee level. I think instead of binding the >top >edge, I might put it on a wide [slightly curved] waist band to imitate the >belt of a real kilt. I'd use lots of hardware too. It could work.....and >look >good. Give it a try. They probably turned the lower hem to give it a more finished look. Raw leather edges can be *so* tacky :) >One thing I did learn from the cheerleader skirt: Each pleat and its return >was a separate strip. The seam holding it to the next strip was at the back >of > the return, making sure it stayed in the right direction. The front of >the >pleats were edge stitched too to keep them folded in the right direction. >All >that top stitching actually helps the look. I can see that Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 10:22:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABFM2ru021757 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:22:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABFKqAK063778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABFKpuH078547; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jABFKkuM078411 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 51369 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 15:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.213.136 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 15:20:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111151728.01d778a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:20:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <200511111435.jABEZQbt052655@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Braces - rerun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 11:24:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABGOo6C023348 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABGNojJ070923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABGNfRP021940; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jABGMpQx021216 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 80518 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 16:22:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0JItGd/4a0wqpvA+UM15dynOD28rsVfSgeH+5WL3nmRwYLvnyy2tsJVT0gORhsxMRUWzQUr9P3mn76LCsV2NRhvL6iDw2vkEK8yFfeXPsE0BQe3QSem9WXQhxuKM9JQx+fBdASAFDAzwY13FUEC9P6H+C9kX6Ia0BiDOQj/CBTI= ; Message-ID: <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:22:33 EST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbr052655@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kimiko and Suzi, Ohhhhhhh.... *that* knot. Okay. I knew that is how it would be worn. It was more a matter of what decorated the terminal end of the garter. Y'know, all that repro information jazz. :-) I have heard back from the House Manager at Anglesey House. He is going to send me a copy of the photo from the Museum of London Gothic art book (gods only know it's a popular book title, but for the life of me I can't remember it's name!) and since it's going out on loan very soon, said he would take a picture of it's baskside for me. I hope that he puts some kind of dimensional reference in there for me. I also have a metalsmith interested in reproducing the buckle and roses for me in brass. If we can pull up enough dimensional detail for it so that the repro is faithful to the original, he may just put it into production in his collection. That would be cool. :-) Kathy > > I also have this site bookmarked on the modern > Garter. > http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Order-of-the-Garter > > Kimiko > > That is terrific - it shows the knot I was trying to > describe > perfectly. Thanks Kimiko. > > Suzi It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 13:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABImR0W026194 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABIlsSJ095380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABIlm80033347; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABIliBd033295 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thomas.hayman@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d4so200020nfe for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YPYQcrrMQs1oRbqMYnjPOAsUzC9V2B9Xt0dKs8WA+zLlO3pXAw8CETgHqU8hGtYQ2CaCG3o6ddjMneOa2gEkJQgThsqDDVUyy3hN1o4rHt9FZEwCakdYk7zGA2i4dIAyN5bgX6wQlkbeJqinlMvcfMyU/HlxQyk7XQ38ipyMtNM= Received: by 10.49.4.16 with SMTP id g16mr150301nfi; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:47:43 +0000 From: Thomas Hayman To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jABIliBd033295 Subject: [h-cost] re: Hello/Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for all the links and welcomes everyone. Its is the German style of puff and slash that i enjoy the most. I'll give your site a try and see how i go with different pieces. I am also joining the German ren costume list. Bjarne, i would love it if you could send me that scan. I welcome all help :-) Thank you. -- Yours sincerely Thomas Hayman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 14:20:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABJK9H5026943 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:20:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABJJd75001058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJJbr9057329; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJJU6D057188 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:19:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:19:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511111900.jABJ0bHd042955@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:19:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2005 19:19:26.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DF2650:01C5E6F4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Suzi Clarke >Marc >Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally >while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to >be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote >exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I >am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume >items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like to actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 14:42:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABJgH7f027309 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABJfrFp004719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJfjVe073611; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABJfcxk073422 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.219.de726f2 (57293) for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <219.de726f2.30a64de9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:41:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/11/2005 10:14:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marccarlson20@hotmail.com writes: that's 112.5 ounces of leather, or slightly over 7 pounds of leather. And that's not counting the weight of the thread and other attachments. Lord....After making a real kilt out of wool, I'd never do a leather one that full. I mean, there's no tartan to match up so you can make the pleats as shallow as the look will allow. That's why I thought just a little more than full return. So if the hips are say 40" and you had like 20 1" pleats in the back with maybe 2" added to each return, that would be 20 X 3 + (20 x 2) = 100" or a little over 2 and 3/4 yards in the back [it does add up, doesn't it]. So the whole thing might be about a 4 yard or less kilt.....like a utility kilt. On "Last of the Mohicans" Daniel Day Lewis's shirt was cut just like any 18th century shirt out of a soft leather the weight of washed cotton. That might be a good weight to use....or a little heavier...just a little. We also made an 1740s coat out of elk hide for a trapper in the film. Boy was it beautiful! and heavy. But the weight made those back pleats swing gracefully. It was something I would have nicked at rap if I could've! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 11 16:22:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABLMF9E029224 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:22:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jABLLEem025013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABLL9KT047021; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jABLL4w2046881 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB390148; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 11 Nov 05 21:20:51 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c5e705$f4181980$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:21:57 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't know your period, but there are lots of patterns and ideas for making bracers in the 19th C. They seem to be one of those needle work items to gift the men on your 'list', along with caps and wallets. Seems probable to me that the need for such an assessory was not a "new" thing at that time period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Marc > >Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally > >while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to > >be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote > >exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I > >am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume > >items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" > > Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. > > I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes > with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like to > actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 00:10:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAC5AOnW006263 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAC59nXI073509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC59gXu086320; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC59c55086287 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eandx-0006KH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:09:37 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051111224421.02f86868@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:51:27 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511111435.jABEZQbs052655@net.indra.com> References: <200511111435.jABEZQbs052655@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My favorite source for all kinds of animal-source products: Moscow Hide and Fur http://www.hideandfur.com/ They do have a page where they describe how they grade and describe leather, plus what someone else said - one ounce leather is about .4 mm thick. They mostly carry the heavier cow leathers, but they have all sorts of exotic leathers. For anyone doing buckskinning, or other types of costume where you need natural materials, they also have feathers, horns and antlers, furs, teeth, claws, etc. They are located in Moscow, Idaho, USA, and everything they sell is either farmed or legally hunted in the state it came from. We've gotten bear teeth and claws, buffalo horns, and other things from them. They will also send you a letter of origin if you need one for your state (good to have when traveling with the costume). Sandy At 08:35 AM 11/11/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 EST >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: leather dying > >BTW.....where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how >the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. >Where to buy >hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good >site? > >I'd love to make a leather doublet but don't know how to get what I want. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 04:43:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAC9hi2v002234 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:43:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAC9hJLC090490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC9hEBo080762; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAC9hAY0080742 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24797.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.151]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C63147FE76 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:43:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:43:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi marc I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i made, had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the front breeches. This is 1766. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > >From: Suzi Clarke >>Marc >>Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally >>while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to >>be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote >>exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole floor apart and I >>am too lazy to go up and get the book! (It's a guide to where costume >>items can be found in the U.K. - "A Guide to Historic Costume?" > > Yes that was me. Please. Whenever is convenient for you would be fine. > > I'm thinking the least complex guess is going to be a pair of fabric tapes > with button holes, and attach some buttons to the breeches. But I'd like > to actually *know*, if such a thing is possible. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 05:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACASjbx008101 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACAS3iM097214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACAS1wN095365; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACARuXH095306 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 29958 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 10:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 10:27:51 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112101129.01d76258@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:27:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun In-Reply-To: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:43 12/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi marc >I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i >made, had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the >front breeches. This is 1766. > >Bjarne Yes, but are they original? There are several garments in the Danish costume books that have braces, but there is no guarantee they are contemporary with the garments. The ones I am thinking of have been used later for theatre performances, having been donated to the theatre after they were finished with. In all likelihood the braces were added by later wardrobe staff. Quote from "The Guide to Historic Costume by Karen Baclawski, published in 1995 by Batsford (ISBN 0 7134 6060 1) "Braces Two straps of ribbon, leather or webbing etc., usually connected, passing over the shoulders and secured at both front and back waist of a garment to keep it in place. Braces were introduced into fashionable circles in the 1780's when the waistline of men's waistcoats rose and unsightly gaps exposing the shirt were not desirable. From the early 19th century braces were used with trousers but remained concealed by waistcoat. In 1814 Jane Austen commented on the appearance of braces in women's fashion, but they were not generally adopted until the late 19th century. " Earliest noted item is female and dated 1810-20. Earliest male braces noted are 1830-5. These are items in museum collections and not necessarily the earliest known items. Suzi (Karen Baclawski holds an MA in the History of Dress from the Courtauld Institute. Aileen Ribiero was technical advisor to the project.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 06:55:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACBt0qA028764 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACBsUCr011089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACBsR3h029472; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACBsMFG029437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-106-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.106]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jACBsK31012042 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:54:21 +1100 Message-ID: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:55:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I found a heringbone weave silk which I was planning to use for a Tudor Kirtle, but then I had a really vague recollection that somebody on one of my lists said the herringbone weave fell out of favour during the high middle ages and didn't turn up again for several centuries. Ordinarily I'd probably buy it anyway on the basis that it's plausible they did occasionally use it (as it's not a hugely complex variation on a twill) and rely on the lack of evidence is not evidence of lack theory. However this fabric was specifically intended for a competition entry, as the theme of an upcoming competition for the Tailor's Guild of Lochac (in the SCA) is 'pink' and this was the best pink fabric I could find. However if it's an inappropriate weave for my period I will probably opt for a black satin I saw for a similar price and not enter it into the competition. So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no (there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side of the 16th century) thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 08:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACD5N5j013241 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACD4sQ3027288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACD4mr8052543; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACD4icV052483 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DC2BF646 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:04:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:04:42 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html I know what I would like to make for myself. I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg Would this be right for regency? I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. Are those of any use? Or is there a better male pattern? Ireally don't know anything from this period. I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat it to the bodice. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 08:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACDZJjo013768 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACDYueP029550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACDYtpT062316; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACDYoX4062252 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 85572 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 13:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 13:34:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112132708.01d76230@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:34:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:04 12/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. >http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html Lucky you - Christina is a lovely lady. >I know what I would like to make for myself. >I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > >For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. >I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg >Would this be right for regency? It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also available - v. expensive - here.) >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. >Are those of any use? >Or is there a better male pattern? >Ireally don't know anything from this period. Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in "Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett (patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. All of the above have to be scaled up, but are accurate patterns of the fashions worn at the time. I am not sure about commercial patterns as I never use them for period stuff. >I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern >and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg >I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to >pleat it to the bodice. Hope that helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 11:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACG3JIS016526 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:03:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACG2v4x044158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACG2qPw023072; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACG2miA023023 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.122]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F4C05EE042 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:02:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c5e7a2$86edb250$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5e76d$87b5b050$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112101129.01d76258@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi, This is original weadding suit, not ever altered. It was embroidered in Paris and sewed together in Stockholm for the weadding between the future Gustav III and princesse Sophia Magdalena in 1766. Its a french costume maker from royal swedish opera that drafted the pattern after the original. He didnt alter a thing to it! It was in the middle of my cut out of the pattern, i realised this about the breeches attaches, and i was very surprised two! And remember its only on the fronts, there are no "braces" in the back! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Braces - rerun > At 09:43 12/11/2005, you wrote: >>Hi marc >>I dont remember if i told you that the gustavian weadding suit i made, >>had strips attached to the waistcoat shoulders and to the front breeches. >>This is 1766. >> >>Bjarne > > > Yes, but are they original? There are several garments in the Danish > costume books that have braces, but there is no guarantee they are > contemporary with the garments. The ones I am thinking of have been used > later for theatre performances, having been donated to the theatre after > they were finished with. In all likelihood the braces were added by later > wardrobe staff. > > Quote from "The Guide to Historic Costume by Karen Baclawski, published in > 1995 by Batsford (ISBN 0 7134 6060 1) > > "Braces > > Two straps of ribbon, leather or webbing etc., usually connected, passing > over the shoulders and secured at both front and back waist of a garment > to keep it in place. Braces were introduced into fashionable circles in > the 1780's when the waistline of men's waistcoats rose and unsightly gaps > exposing the shirt were not desirable. From the early 19th century braces > were used with trousers but remained concealed by waistcoat. 20th century content> > > In 1814 Jane Austen commented on the appearance of braces in women's > fashion, but they were not generally adopted until the late 19th century. > " > > Earliest noted item is female and dated 1810-20. Earliest male braces > noted are 1830-5. These are items in museum collections and not > necessarily the earliest known items. > > Suzi > > (Karen Baclawski holds an MA in the History of Dress from the Courtauld > Institute. Aileen Ribiero was technical advisor to the project.) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 12:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACHFd7o017943 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:15:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACHEv48052023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACHEgkj055154; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACHEbVn055102 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30722 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 17:13:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:13:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1116.67.188.164.116.1131815894.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html I am SOO jealous!! We don't have wonderful places like this where I live (California). It is beautiful! > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to > pleat it to the bodice. Actually, if you look closer at the embroidered white dresses, they use a very light cotton fabric and leave it smooth across the front. Then start your pleating around where the arms hang and the majority of the pleats are in the back. It is much more flattering than pleating or gathering all around the top of the skirt. The Museum of Bath has an exhibit of "Jane Austen" dresses right now that you can see online. If you look closely at the seam lines and adjust any of the patterns you already have, you will be fine. Here is a link to the Bath exhibit: http://snipurl.com/jtdw If you can't get the snipURL to work, just go to www.museumofcostume.co.uk and click on "Special Displays and Exhibitions". Have fun!! You do such nice work I am sure you will look fabulous! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 15:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACKwoSX022755 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACKwMS5084885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACKwFNO057841; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACKwBs0057680 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.ba.7d41a99a (3850) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:58:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/12/2005 8:35:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also available - v. expensive - here.) >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. >Are those of any use? >Or is there a better male pattern? >Ireally don't know anything from this period. Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in "Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett (patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. I agree that the blue fabric looks very bright--a dark or midnight blue would be better. Unfortunately, there aren't any really good men's coat patterns on the market, so your best bet, if you can do it, is the scale pattern in Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion"--last time I checked, this book was still available from DramaBooks. For all that it has some good patterns, "Cut of Men's Clothes" does NOT have an early 19th century men's coat--just an overcoat. If the Butterick patterns you are referring to are the "Regency" ones they came out with several years ago, they aren't very good. And it would have been so easy to make them better! The bodices are all right, but the skirts are raised-waist A-line style--looks like they pulled them from the "bridesmaid pattern drawer." Waugh's "Cut of Women's Clothes" does have a good ballgown pattern--the skirt is basically a rectangle back and front, and gored sides. And, yes, it should be smooth across the front, with the fullness concentrated towards the back. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 16:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACLbSFO023410 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACLb8CI088397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACLb0q1072902; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jACLaqLS072822 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78418 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2005 21:36:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112213235.01d79080@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:36:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >It would be correct for day wear, but might be a bit bright, and >could be a bit smoother I think. I usually use "Venetian" a pure wool >fabric readily available in England. The original coats I've examined >are very smooth wool, Melton being one of the cloths used. Also >available - v. expensive - here.) > > > >I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > >Are those of any use? > >Or is there a better male pattern? > >Ireally don't know anything from this period. > >Patterns for men can be found in "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) >and Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume Cut and Fashion, (R.I Davis) >both English. Then there are the wonderful American patterns in >"Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Closeup". These two also have >women's patterns. You should also look at "Cut of Women's Clothes", >"Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909", Jean Hunnisett >(patterns from original garments in spite of the title) and "Patterns >of Fashion 1660-1860" Janet Arnold. > > > > >I agree that the blue fabric looks very bright--a dark or midnight blue >would be better. Unfortunately, there aren't any really good men's >coat patterns >on the market, so your best bet, if you can do it, is the scale pattern in >Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion"--last time I checked, >this book was >still available from DramaBooks. For all that it has some good patterns, >"Cut of Men's Clothes" does NOT have an early 19th century >men's coat--just an >overcoat. Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in particular became uniform. I have studied several coats at the Museum of London, and one of them, dated c. 1820 was almost identical in style to the one in "Cut of Men's Clothes". The same style can be seen in many of the fashion plates of the period - I have some on my web site. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:14:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMEu0p024132 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMESMH091963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMEObq088172; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMELaH088157 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71E7D3654F for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:14:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:14:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Though Regency is not my period. Here are some things I ran across when I was trying to get a feel of the period for some material I have that screamed at me "Regency!" after I had washed it. :) Day dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm 1830s formal(?) http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_292.htm 1800-1810 formal(?) with Spencer jacket http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_333.htm 1800 casual dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm 1780-1790 men's http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_205.htm 1820 corset http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_256.htm 1830 evening slippers/shoes http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_494.htm Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm The first dress is formal and is gathered in front. As for the Butterick patterns, they're only good for in a pinch need. Site for some Regency patterns http://www.regencygarderobe.com/New%20Patterns.htm Hope this helps. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:22:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMMlET024320 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMMWPY093194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMMTaQ091706; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMMQ7f091683 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F265B36491 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Just in case, each site has more pictures with details if you scroll down the page. 1830s formal(?) http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_292.htm 1800-1810 formal(?) with Spencer jacket http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_333.htm 1800 casual dress http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm 1820 corset http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_256.htm 1830 evening slippers/shoes http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_494.htm Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm The first dress is formal and is gathered in front. Hope this helps. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 17:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jACMNoeP024350 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jACMNPog093323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMNPca092147; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACMNLbT092092 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f5.16c666b6 (18555) for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f5.16c666b6.30a7c54d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:23:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/12/2005 4:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in particular became uniform. Do you mean Diagram XXIX? I guess it would do. I, however, interpret mostly the 1810s, and I would prefer a double-breasted front, and would not at all do that shaped pleat overlay with buttons, or the large pocket flaps with the buttons underneath, or that shape of collar. I prefer the large M-notch collar in "Evolution in Fashion." Another good source for men's wear, albeit it also requires some skill in interpretation--R.L. Shep's "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819." And we do play fast and loose with "Regency," don't we? Technically, the English Regency was 1811-1820. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 20:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD1ocEm027663 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD1nwPI018002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD1nqDM075819; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACJp0P9026143 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ab.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.171]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EC9B47FEA8 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c5e7c2$6ee832f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:51:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. This is the glory of high tailoring and very elegant. This pattern you have to scale up, but i know you are used to this. There is no pattern of the gillet (waistcoat) but this is the easy part, so you could find it somewhere else. I wished i had the money to go to this, and the clothes, but my clothes are much two oldfashioned for this. I wish yoy good luck! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency question > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > Would this be right for regency? > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat > it to the bodice. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 20:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD1p6Pc027674 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD1onGJ018238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD1om85076245; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jACNNqIp015449 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-1-240.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.1.240]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2005 07:23:46 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <43767B23.1000704@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:30:43 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am in the middle of making some Regency tailcoats - I have been scaling up patterns from RL Shep "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819". If you want to chat while you're putting it together I'm only an email away. Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > Would this be right for regency? > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > Are those of any use? > Or is there a better male pattern? > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to > pleat it to the bodice. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 12 21:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD2TRfu028289 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAD2T6Mw022986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD2T46F091909; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAD2T13U091890 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12547 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 02:27:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:27:53 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:32:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Day dress > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of printer paper later.....I have up-close pictures and information about real antique clothing! Even though the garments are for sale, this website has better detail pictures than any costume museum website I have seen. If you like to look at details and figure out "how they did that" from the 1750's onward....spend some time and look through this site :~> My favorite detail picture is from the 1800-1810 apron front dress: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm It is an "apron front" dress where the front of the bodice "flips up" in to place. Scroll down to the second-to-last picture. They have splayed the dress out so that you can see exactly how it was constructed and how it all goes together. Awesome!!! Sorry to get all weirdly excited....but I love finding out how things are truly done on period clothing ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 07:49:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADCneCH017815 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADCmolS090686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCmj0V012351; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCmfwL012316 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6220188; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:48:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 12:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e850$b71595c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f5.16c666b6.30a7c54d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:49:40 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Think that the one I have and have used is from Rockinghorse Farm(?), It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > > In a message dated 11/12/2005 4:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > Sorry to disagree but there is a late 18th century pattern that is > perfectly suitable for the dates given for the ball - 1790-1810. > Men's fashions had begun to fossilize, and evening dress in > particular became uniform. > > > Do you mean Diagram XXIX? I guess it would do. I, however, interpret > mostly the 1810s, and I would prefer a double-breasted front, and would not at all > do that shaped pleat overlay with buttons, or the large pocket flaps with > the buttons underneath, or that shape of collar. I prefer the large M-notch > collar in "Evolution in Fashion." > > Another good source for men's wear, albeit it also requires some skill in > interpretation--R.L. Shep's "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819." > > And we do play fast and loose with "Regency," don't we? Technically, the > English Regency was 1811-1820. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 07:53:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADCrJXu017873 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADCqmKX091038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCqnDi013725; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADCqj9V013661 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A7160200; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:52:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 12:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c5e851$4881fa80$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <001a01c5e7c2$6ee832f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:53:43 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO re the waistcoat, the present one from McCall's is quite comparable. I have two waistcoats that are of the First Q 19th C and this pattern follows the correct line. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > Hi Deredere, > In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this > event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over > at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. This is the glory of > high tailoring and very elegant. This pattern you have to scale up, but i > know you are used to this. There is no pattern of the gillet (waistcoat) but > this is the easy part, so you could find it somewhere else. > I wished i had the money to go to this, and the clothes, but my clothes are > much two oldfashioned for this. > I wish yoy good luck! > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deredere Galbraith" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Regency question > > > > Hi, > > > > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > > > > I know what I would like to make for myself. > > I would love to make a white dress with embroidery like these > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > > > > For my husband I have found some really nice Blue wool. > > I would like to make a tailcoat out of it. > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/FabricR.jpg > > Would this be right for regency? > > > > I have two Butterick patterns, 3648 and 3723. > > Are those of any use? > > Or is there a better male pattern? > > Ireally don't know anything from this period. > > > > I have the La Mode Bagatelle pattern > > and I made a fantasy version with that pattern. > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regfront.jpg > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/RegencyBall/Regback.jpg > > I think I'll need to make the skirt smaller so that I don't have to pleat > > it to the bodice. > > > > Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 08:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADDUd7R018480 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADDU6xj094172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADDU4Pi025735; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADDU1Fj025666 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1f2.16d54f1c (58435) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.16d54f1c.30a899ce@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:29:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:50:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. How are the directions? That seems to be the biggest shortcoming of some of the period patterns. They assume you know how to put a coat together and skim over, or omit completely, details such as constructing the lapel and those pleats. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 09:46:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADEkqJV019886 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:46:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADEkRT3001317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADEkP6g052300; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADEkKqw052262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jADEk8xD004613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:44:57 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>Day dress >>http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm > > > Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of printer Yes, isn't that a wonderful site! I also found this one quite helpful: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/realvict/ Seeing the construction details are marvelous. One thing I did find challenging about these "extant gown" sites, though: very often they display the clothes on modern mannequins or dress forms. It gives one an improper impression of how the gown should hang, usually because the bust is lower and shaped differently than a corseted figure. Just something to take into account when making the gown... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 12:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADHH8xj026911 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADHFiVs015306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADHFdDF013936; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jADHFaeg013923 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8839 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 17:14:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:14:28 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:19:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1133.67.188.164.116.1131902351.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <1873.67.188.164.116.1131849157.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <43775169.7080300@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:19:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > Diana Habra wrote: >>>Day dress >>>http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_537.htm >> > >> Wow! I got lost on this site for about an hour. And 100 pages of >> printer > > Yes, isn't that a wonderful site! I also found this one quite helpful: > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/realvict/ The main thing that I liked about the site was that it had *many* detailed pictures of the same garment. Often an extant garment will be pictured but usually only the whole front (and maybe the back) will be shown. And I haven't seen any of the museum sites offer a look at a gown or outfit unfastened so that we can see how it really works. That was what I liked the most :~> > Seeing the construction details are marvelous. One thing I did find > challenging about these "extant gown" sites, though: very often they > display the clothes on modern mannequins or dress forms. It gives one an > improper impression of how the gown should hang, usually because the > bust is lower and shaped differently than a corseted figure. Just > something to take into account when making the gown... I totally agree with you on this however I am fairly familiar with how these styles should look already so it wasn't too much of a problem for me. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 13:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADIALL9030282 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADI9rTA019902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADI9p2P037548; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADI9lD6037482 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 817907020 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:09:45 -0600 Message-ID: <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:09:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. > http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html > Not clothing related, but please humor me. :-) On the web page above, there are two photos of the interior of the ball location. Can someone tell me the original purpose of the inset alcoves shown in both photos? Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? Statuary settings? I'm curious because the items placed in these areas don't seem to fit, exactly, but I don't know enough about the period to know why. Thanks Denise B in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 15:28:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADKSV1m009515 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADKRmZj032709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADKRheh098665; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADKRd5i098600 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1B30230; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:27:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Nov 05 20:27:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c5e890$d53ce680$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f2.16d54f1c.30a899ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:28:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will search out this pattern tomorrow and see if I can put together the directions for you. This pattern company (for me at least) also assumes that the sewer will already know the finer points of construction). If you have ever done any tailoring, like for a suit or coat, you will have no problem in being able to follow the progression. One thing I have learned in my 30yr. plus costume generation is that once you have the right shapes and the right cuts re alignment of grain and bias, you have already done 2/3s of the work. Adding the proper interfacings that are often omitted from contemporary costume making (in the popular vein) will help you to turn even a minimalist pattern into a credible period garment. All the recent volumes like "The Cut of..." give lots of wonderful details re style and construction that can make a success of your own attempts of "getting it right". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question > > In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:50:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > It is > double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. > This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary > patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes > before I cut it out. > > > > How are the directions? That seems to be the biggest shortcoming of some of > the period patterns. They assume you know how to put a coat together and > skim over, or omit completely, details such as constructing the lapel and those > pleats. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 16:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADLsu9Y011146 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADLsLfa041486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADLsHAM038118; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADLsDkn038009 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.92.32c3548b (3858) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <92.32c3548b.30a90ff7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:53:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/13/2005 1:10:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? Statuary settings? Look like statuary niches to me--for neo-classical casts, perhaps? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 17:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMGPvg011561 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADMG7Ge043952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMG4i7047972; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMFwCJ047872 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.203.141.167 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.203.141.167] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 22:15:48.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCD48110:01C5E89F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the dark things in the alcoves are stoves. On the second picture, it looks like there are tiles inside and around the alcove - look at the way the reflexion of the light is broken on the tiles in the second pic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question >> My husband and I will go to our fhirst Regency ball next year. >> http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/costumeevents/costumeevents.html >> > > Not clothing related, but please humor me. :-) > > On the web page above, there are two photos of the interior of the ball > location. Can someone tell me the original purpose of the inset alcoves > shown in both photos? Are these closed up fireplace or stove alcoves? > Statuary settings? I'm curious because the items placed in these areas > don't seem to fit, exactly, but I don't know enough about the period to > know why. > > Thanks > Denise B in Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 17:58:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMw9Ni012141 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jADMvkmU049344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMvf0x066509; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jADMvcv9066439 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.19d.4125e5a3 (3858) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:57:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/13/2005 3:29:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: I will search out this pattern tomorrow and see if I can put together the directions for you. This pattern company (for me at least) also assumes that the sewer will already know the finer points of construction). If you have ever done any tailoring, like for a suit or coat, you will have no problem in being able to follow the progression. One thing I have learned in my 30yr. plus costume generation is that once you have the right shapes and the right cuts re alignment of grain and bias, you have already done 2/3s of the work. Adding the proper interfacings that are often omitted from contemporary costume making (in the popular vein) will help you to turn even a minimalist pattern into a credible period garment. I was asking for our original poster. I've had enough experience with what I call modern classic tailoring, both men's and women's, that I can finally proceed fairly well. The hardest part for early 19th century coats, in my opinion, is how the front edge/tails/pocket sacks are handled. When I made my first coat, I had never seen a real one, and had to muddle through that part. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:41:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0frui013712 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0fDpT062426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0f2D9011219; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0evk4011186 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAE0etVT021349 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:40:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:29:52 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511131715.jADHFegR013940@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even hidden. Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. So how does it work? Gail Finke Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0qAwE013913 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:52:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0ptu0063562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0psgh016005; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0pp3Q015946 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.197.4b78c5fa (3866) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <197.4b78c5fa.30a9399d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:41:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. So how does it work? It may have all been pins. The white lining flaps probably pinned shut, and sometimes the bib was pinned in place, as well--sometimes. though, it buttoned, with thread or, rarely, fabric, loops. If you can examine the actual garment, you can often see marks from repeated pinning. I pin my flaps now, although some folks opt to substitute snaps, instead. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 19:51:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE0pSJu013896 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE0p2nM063458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE0p13Q015649; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:51:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAE0ovoF015623 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29412 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 16:50:14 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29401, pid: 29404, t: 5.2318s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 16:50:09 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051113164903.030a22c0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:50:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress In-Reply-To: References: <200511131715.jADHFegR013940@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:29 PM 11/13/2005, you wrote: >Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for >posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am >surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the >very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even >hidden. > >Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: > >http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm > >How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice >construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, >that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, >and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. > >So how does it work? > >Gail Finke > >Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... It looks like the fronts should pin closed, then the bib comes up and is pinned at the corners. That's how I'd do it. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 13 20:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAE13d3g014075 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:03:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAE13Im8064620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE132JW020661; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAE12vu7020584 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-154.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.154]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 09:02:50 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <4377E3DD.7060308@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bib-front regency dress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I copied this dress a few months ago and put up a few pictures on my webpage http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/regency4.htm - its the red-checked dress. I also referred to my copy of Costume in Detail. regards, Aylwen Garden --------------------------------------- http://www.aylwen.com Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Wow, that is an amazing site! The details are wonderful. Thanks so much for >posting it! The back of the indigo regency dress is just lovely. I am >surprised (because this is not a period I've ever studied) to see all the >very practical "drawstrings" on these dresses, some of which are not even >hidden. > >Now for my question. On the bib-front dress: > >http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_190.htm > >How does this dress actually close? The picture that shows the inside bodice >construction confuses me. It seems to have two front pieces, plain white, >that close in some way that doesn't show. And then the bib comes up over it, >and attaches somehow that is also not apparent. > >So how does it work? > >Gail Finke > >Thinking about an Easter dress for the 11-year-old for next year... > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 05:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEAHEqF030920 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:17:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEAGkMt034537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEAGeqh050242; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEAGbHk050197 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5373192C9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:33 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thank you for the response! I'll try to answer all the emails at once. I will hopefully get the "Cut of Men's Clothes" (Norah Waugh) and the Cut of Women's Clothes as a X-mas present from my husband. I already read in a revieuw that the patterns are from pre-1780s and the other half from 1840 on. But I am also planning on making a 1860 or 1885 "Dickens fair" costume for my husband. I have the Laughing Moon 109 men's frock coat for that. It will be the fhirst time I will make something tailord as that and the pattern looks quite difficult. Diana Snipp<< Actually, if you look closer at the embroidered white dresses, they use a very light cotton fabric and leave it smooth across the front. Then start your pleating around where the arms hang and the majority of the pleats are in the back. It is much more flattering than pleating or gathering all around the top of the skirt. >> I think I'll do that. Thanks for the idea. I hadn't noticed it before. Bjarne Snipp<< In Koehler´s book, there is a nice cut of a gentlemans garment for this event. Its from 1804. This is not one of the coats that is cut straight over at the front, but has the curves from previous fashion. >> That book is on my wish list too. I would love to make a beautifull embroidered 18th century costume for my husband like the ones you make. And I probaby will some day. Because of that I think it would be more interesting for me to make a more different costume for this period. Ann Wass Snipp<< Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion" >> I have a copy of a part of that book. Unfortionally only untill 1585 De Snipp<< Gallery with some regency http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm >> Yum!!!!!!!!!!!! Aylwen Garden Snipp<< I am in the middle of making some Regency tailcoats - I have been scaling up patterns from RL Shep "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819". If you want to chat while you're putting it together I'm only an email away. Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights >> You make beautifull costumes! "Federalist & Regency Costume: 1790-1819" Looks like an interesting book. But it looks like it is out of print :( Kathleen Snipp<< Think that the one I have and have used is from Rockinghorse Farm(?), It is double breasted, with the proper pleats at the tail opening at the back. This one little detail is missing from at least one of the contemporary patterns. I compared the pieces to the shapes in "Cut of men's clothes before I cut it out. >> I have never used Rocking horse farm patterns. Do you mean the dragoon Uniform pattern? http://rockinghorse-farm.com/ The others are only the waistcoats. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 09:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEE9StT028245 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:09:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEE8e79078000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEE8WAZ052838; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEE8Pri052688 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86617 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 14:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 14:08:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051114140605.01d8f358@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:08:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency question In-Reply-To: <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20051112130437.E6DC2BF646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <011e01c5e87d$726f9b00$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> <20051114101632.3F5373192C9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere You might also be interested in some research I did into Regency coats, a little later than you are planning, but the tailoring is very similar. I wrote an article on the research for Vintage Connection. http://www.vintageconnection.net/archives/RegencyCoats.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 13:38:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEIcI27002510 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEIaroG014665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIacxl057881; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIaSM3057711 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1017751wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=M9etvD7mH379W6+al+R/vBLYlNwLA5G5hCUxdSx+wOIocQavV1gkuE1RCY8TCRTwoMBWP6JPeEPgcp/gwzprVU8RiQxs9YJfGf2nftHXTjSSYEbHYb88RFvnndIF//5PzgGCBYg0G2LSJsM0Mb3isR1vND9OBQ1Nz0XqF2E3J9c= Received: by 10.65.83.18 with SMTP id k18mr3985514qbl; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.204.8 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEIaSM3057711 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 13:51:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEIpuLX002905 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEIpXrK016919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIpUxw070912; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEIpNmS070820 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1020548wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uXHyUsnDd2QU74vkNpFxdFZ0rpFe0TtgZXaUDPkfIrVIOVxaKXjz1w9VSz+UZDQlZp0NwFBM1PplZtZ74FR2AF9mPkbsh9FGjIkZpIHjPL9OvpsYK2QlGkdB9ZRST/FoMgiJb4DY7OfwDugx5V8xLcX2/N+1JCX+Oye26imjiFc= Received: by 10.64.210.17 with SMTP id i17mr3210937qbg; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:51:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:22 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEIpNmS070820 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord is couched along the entire circumference. Just for fun. Didn't even bother to hand sew this one. Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:08:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJ8Tis003178 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJ870F018985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJ81dU084355; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJ7ufX084197 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.13c90be (16111) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D39 (fwm-d39.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.15]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4378e0851e5; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: Received: from 216.199.167.48 by FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:07:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 14877 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am making Vogue 2607 in an iridescent burgundy silk dupioni from fabric.com, and commissioning a pearl and garnet necklace from Israel to wear with it. My husband plans to wear a black jacket with charcoal mock turtle neck and black pants, as the perfect foil for my eye popping attire. Of course, between now and then, I have to complete his 16th century Italian outfit, make gifts for the 5 kids and wrap up about a dozen other projects, classic underachiever that I am. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJCbVk003228 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJC62U019615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJC1vI087849; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJBoAa087658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id a71e8734.1868958640.140940.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:36 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F9FB@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXpTdzqqrOfL1KCSJyCYQBfsmXFFgAAH9fQ From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 19:09:36.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[F47D7230:01C5E94E] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAEJBoAa087658 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have two, one of which is my size, the other is my Great-Great-Grandmother's size. (Well, it was her mannequin, after all! ;) GGGramma's is wearing a tricked-out full-length leather coat, with shiny antique buttons. My size is wearing a conglomerate of things, including a star-spangled skirt in need of a new waistband, some half-finished bat wings, and a cream colored nearly-done cloak which is holding the bat wings in place. When *those* get done, I'll be working on a mid-1500's German gown. Theoretically, at least. ;) Kate McClure aka StitchWitch Beads? What beads . . . ? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:15:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJFHXt003292 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJEujX020182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJEn3s090467; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJEfnQ090257 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECF93A1F8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:14:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4378E252.1050206@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:15:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cin wrote: > So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? LOL! Cat hair... well, it would be if I had one. I'm "between projects" right now, nothing on the calendar for about 3 months. I've got mending and alterations to do to several costumes from previous events and I'm busy picking horrible little 3-d flowers off a perfectly good bolt of linen I bought on clearance a couple months ago. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 14:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEJQf2B003557 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEJQ8JD021703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJQ4Nb000482; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEJFUVY091166 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558e.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.142]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E962D5EE0C1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:15:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:15:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well as you all know, the yellow dress. . But for myself, cant use my dressdummy for something for myself , i have ben wanting to make me a cavallier outfit. 'There is an opera masqued ball in february again and i have this grey damask wich is a cotton/(dont remember the name) blend. I also have this reproduktion reticella lace i baught from England for the cuffs and standing band. I want to make it an early cavallier style. I even have enough fabric to make a female outfit two, for my niece if she wants to go because i emptied all the shop for this bargain fabric. Newyear is cavallier time............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the > dummy and > *then* tell us about it. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:53:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELr4GA006786 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELqPai045148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELqF4j028375; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELq3kY028180 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B72140014 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb03.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.436af616.8516d for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDeQb+8M247wIAAAAB,28313f252d0c3700044917c55b0fbdc6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.72] Message-Id: <20051114135158.59D97A68@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Cin wrote: From: Cin Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:55:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELtpRB006857 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:55:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELsYZS045500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELsSSu030513; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELqr9u029041 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1D8404C4 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.436af617.858f1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDeQc0R5R8/gIAAAAB,64b41fb6d06e4302869ec7ff8e5781a6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.72] Message-Id: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops - I hit the send button instead of the tab. Mine is wearing an almost completed Regency gown I am making for a friend for Christmas. It is soft white lawn with tiny pink rosebuds and very delicate moss green vines and leaves. And I wanted to find a ribbon to match the green, but so far have been out of luck. I may have to go with the pink. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Cin wrote: From: Cin Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 16:56:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAELun7H006883 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAELuYhv045755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELuT2e032169; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from astros.uttyler.edu (astros.uttyler.edu [206.76.228.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAELuDsx031948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vicki_betts@mail.uttyl.edu) Received: from ([198.213.56.77]) by astros.uttyler.edu with ESMTP id KP-GGD45.5639783; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:40:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:43:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dark blue faille 1882 bustle dress (kick pleat skirt and cuirass bodice), with inset dark blue figured velvet panel down front of skirt and on front of bodice; cuffs and standup collar also figured velvet. White lace at wrist and top of collar. About a dozen dark blue "jewel and gold" buttons down the front. Very small black silk on buckram bonnet with faux jet and ribbon trim sitting on top, that goes with the black cotton velvet talma which has "jet" beading along the upper edge of the deep looped fringe. I wore it to an 1883 reunion of Civil War veterans. Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM3SXx007046 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM2BYD046400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM1wdu036586; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM1o4P036385 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92613BF96E for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:41:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:41:11 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051114214115.92613BF96E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well.... One of my dummies is wearing a very pink dress. It is finished but it reminds me that I am going to make it again but then with a long skirt and in very pale blue. I will be wearing the blue gown to the X-mas/New years party from my husbands job. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Chii/Chii.html And on an other is a black and purple gothic version of a robe a la francaise. Wich I will hopefully sell next weekend on a Gothic and Fantasy fair. http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html Don't have any pictures of the gown yet but I really like it. I am working on a corset from the butteric pattern. I only adjusted the angle of the schoulderstrap on the front. Now it is a bit more like the original pattern in Corsets and crinolines. It promeses to be a very comfortable lightwaight corset. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:05:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM5H4B007102 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM51Zh046720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM4v10039046; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEM4p3Y038908 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m229.in-tch.com [216.166.191.229]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAELvOk22925 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:57:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002a01c5e968$59cffa40$e5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4378E252.1050206@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:11:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did exactly the same thing (picking off horrid flowers) a couple of months ago. The final result was a whole ziploc bag full of little black linen flowers, which I passed on to a friend, who can actually *do* something with them, and a bolt of perfectly nice, medium-weight, white linen. Cost? Less than $2/yd (on sale at JoAnn's) Satisfaction? Priceless..... --Sue, who doesn't have a dress dummy, but if I did, she'd probably be wearing cat hairs, since just about everything else in this house does as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > Cin wrote: > > > So, what's your dressmaker's > > dummy wearing today? > > LOL! Cat hair... well, it would be if I had one. I'm "between projects" > right now, nothing on the calendar for about 3 months. I've got mending > and alterations to do to several costumes from previous events and I'm > busy picking horrible little 3-d flowers off a perfectly good bolt of > linen I bought on clearance a couple months ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:09:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEM9ZDk007248 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEM75do046985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEKqnoa076972; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEKpvDX076204 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1956 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2005 20:51:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rprxco/JtNiZVjm2VH9AK41yl3sV4vjKF2dDzfdKGk2cnMUfLg079aWRb9rvef64QCr0Hv4y+psfG1mSmYJ7J3MU/eu04iNilVrTN+wQwvik3pJAKWtAvQPu/G9q9jKu0pW12uxCJXabFbZ1p4p3VdbNEI6Qz2c8utBHazhc5Ac= ; Message-ID: <20051114205150.1954.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:51:50 PST Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:51:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=48% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine quite brazen, she's only wearing a circa 1897 petticoat...my male friends have been warned to mind their manners :) Chris G. Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:13:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEMDAlG007364 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEMCZCi047688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMCUZd045249; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMCM6A045124 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=W4O+Im7QElclTifs/FwJDIW4w5b1eCMSkLlS+QyOXvYgUwmO8+0ZQdif0n7FBiEO; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.128.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EbmYm-0004UG-Aw for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01eb01c5e968$9ccc6a40$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c5e94f$d10374c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ce92b0e67a4501b39c91057ddb45e60cd10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.128.125 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Right now mine's topless. On her bottom half she's wearing the red with yellow fleur de lis skirt that will be the lower half of my new 1635 Cavalier gown for 12th Night. The bodice is cut out, but I'm embroidering it with gold thread and pearls before I sew it together. She also has a leather bat-wing-horned-looking mask sitting on top of a white irridecent veil where her head would be if she had one, mostly because I can't find a place to put the mask and I need to remember to return the veil to its owner. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 17:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEMNpqH007660 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEMNOE9049074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMNFgI053553; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMMlaE053119 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200511142222510140012f0de>; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:50 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:50 +0000 Message-Id: <111420052222.20636.43790E39000C32F10000509C22007507849C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wish I had a dressmaker's dummy. If I did have one, I believe I would have a 16th century German dress on it. There's a dress on the front of a pattern from Period Patterns that I just adore. The color would be emerald green. Maybe Santa will be nice to me this year. Sigh..... Roscelin > --- Cin wrote: > From: Cin > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:36:27 -0800 > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might > even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the > reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy > on the dummy and > *then* tell us about it. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN6Nb7008628 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN5oQp055896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN5k2A089027; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN5fN4088863 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.257.1050217 (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <257.1050217.30aa723b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:05:31 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: Right now mine's topless. And mine is bottomless. She is wearing the bodice of a shawl overdress based on an 1810 French fashion plate. I bought 2 silk paisley shawls at El Corte Ingles in Madrid a couple of years ago. The project is taking longer than I hoped, though. First, the two shawls did not match exactly, so the skirt looks kind of wonky, but I'll live. Then, I sewed the collar on upside down. Fixed it now, though. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN7P2K008650 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:07:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN79wv056115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN75hp090099; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN6um2089912 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.9f.6c50fbdb (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.6c50fbdb.30aa7285@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:24:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net writes: I wish I had a dressmaker's dummy. I scrounged one of my dummies out of a trash can. It needed a fitting to hold the base together, but I went to my local hardware store, where they fixed me up. The other I bought for $5 at a yard sale. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:08:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN88pm008665 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN643Y055926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEMSRo9057847; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEMS2Kt057435 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 92611 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2005 22:27:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jlji42uc1Yp92sgw53iFmc1mEOPC68qIVbwiL/XyPFRzAodGgvDb3FmXiBX4S1/BIK3xn6+ojKWu1zL0L+JBypiVjsC/fjBPjUdBiQDkFRjjDhl4ucq8Qrz/8UoFm29pedQZmwP++HaycRHL7of1pbGoxbefLM4CEimtGbUBI2s= ; Message-ID: <20051114222756.92609.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.127] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:27:56 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My son has armor draped on it. I made a duct tape dummy lost weight and moved it to the garage. My son needed some place to hold his leather tunic with metal plates while he works on it, and look, there's a dummie in the garage, just for him, he thinks. alex Cin wrote: It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAEN9rZ9008712 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAEN8oeD056423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN8j1R091513; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAEN8aBw091370 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8e.32f75300 (25305) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.32f75300.30aa72ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:27:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: cant use my dressdummy for something for myself You need to get a male mannequin, too! I bought a torso from a shirt store that was closing for $10. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:28:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAENSFV3009193 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:28:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENRkK5060492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENRfP1007724; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAENRZZJ007566 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail64.nyc.untd.com (webmail64.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.204]) by smtpout06.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBZUHKBA6YEN5J for (sender ); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:26:25 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail64.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K9S8M4DD; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:25:57 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail64.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:25:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:25:11 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051114.152557.24072.79021@webmail64.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 20c8487148b59168b591694d91692c7c99b9bc159d5cb9dd75a19dd8dd6cd928dd38f8a8c8b1c861f1698891c84d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn73d08NL2Cs1kw6cPziVg2VOVuBOAXI3c/w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.204|webmail64.nyc.untd.com|webmail64.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAENSFV3009193 Status: RO I have two forms, one is not at all my size (I wish!) but it's good enough to display gowns on. It's an antique style with the seperate plates. The other is modern foam with cotton cover. It's not exactly my size, but ti's closer than the other one- got it when a fabric store was closing for cheap. The antique form has my vamprie character, Sadie, on it right now. She's based on the 1880's 'late bustle' style, but with very little regard for period construction. She's all purple bridal satin with black trim and sequins. I made her to work Fright Fest at Six Flag's Great America a few years back and decided I really liked her so I trot her out periodically. I just wore her for the WindyCon masquerade competition and won 'Best in Show'.....which makes me feel like I should be trotted around a ring on a leash and then rewarded with a doggie biscuit....but maybe not..... Karen Seamstrix -- Alex Doyle wrote: My son has armor draped on it. I made a duct tape dummy lost weight and moved it to the garage. My son needed some place to hold his leather tunic with metal plates while he works on it, and look, there's a dummie in the garage, just for him, he thinks. alex Cin wrote: It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 18:59:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAENxn69009941 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENs0jE064698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENrwa4027690; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAENrr93027626 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.150.177] (dialup-4.249.150.177.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.150.177]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAENriBh009937 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43792380.8050008@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:53:36 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cin wrote: > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin One is wearing Bilbo's shirt and party vest in progress (and no trousers!), the other is wearing a bodice mockup of a 1927 shirt dress (gotta fix the armscye) and a long red pleated skirt so the cats can play under it. I had to take off the Regency dress from one because Bilbo has to take precedence right now. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 19:12:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF0CUxf010260 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF06wjj066133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF06rXw036383; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF06nxO036315 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1075823wra for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L5CCzwlVIpdxuptXfnVEDJq1E4t6d4CNsKKQzFPEzoONvhb+CZfVIwXljHxJFwLyKlcyOOQTZtDat2dUOt+/VHPey62YwPmdd1WFUz6YNEzMXkxAHPFslqvwzkVoe0of543wGvtt1yvfwxawiviG3HbuGQBjys3ED8oLY1nOXr8= Received: by 10.65.244.12 with SMTP id w12mr28963qbr; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.204.8 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:06:48 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAF06nxO036315 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: >Right now mine's topless. Both mine are in a shocking state of deshabille! Euphrosnia, the strumpet, sports a copy of the Verney Gown, a forest of quilt pins and not much else. The gown's armholes are ragged, as is the neckline. The gown is fully lined and she wears it inside-out waiting for binding to beautify, support & conceal rough shoulder seams. Possibly she wears her coat inside out to repulse pixies. Adonis, exhibitionist that he is, wears only a black gilet that belongs under a Charles de Blois style pourpoint. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 20:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF1rT2c012840 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF1qiOH080411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF1qfLO001128; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF1qbG8001029 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c4.35ad8105 (4459) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.35ad8105.30aa995d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:52:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO right now? dust _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF231q9013078 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF22gih082188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF22g2C006728; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF22b91006633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3aG1N006585 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:36:17 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:04:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7B765D6D16DFD-19BC-6191@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142104.30952.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 14 November 2005 2:07 pm, chindora@aol.com wrote: > I am making Vogue 2607 in an iridescent burgundy silk dupioni from > fabric.com, and commissioning a pearl and garnet necklace from Israel to > wear with it. My husband plans to wear a black jacket with charcoal mock > turtle neck and black pants, as the perfect foil for my eye popping attire. Wow! Sounds really sharp. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:04:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF24crF013123 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF24PpB082552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF24OLc007797; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF24KfK007679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3bxs3006621 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:38:00 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:06:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142106.13570.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 14 November 2005 1:51 pm, Marie Stewart wrote: > A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated > in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. > The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord > is couched along the entire circumference. Sounds lovely. But what is "Muppet fur?" -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 21:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF2rdgS014535 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:53:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF2r4b0088483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF2r2s8033948; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF21Q9X005945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF3Z5jq006567 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:03:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511142103.19479.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 14 November 2005 1:36 pm, Cin wrote: > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? I don't have a dressmaker's dummy. Never have. But the clothes hanger that is taking the place in my life of a dressmaker's dummy is wearing the first few parts of a 10th c Lithuanian costume I am attempting to recreate--the (completed) tunic and the (incomplete) shawl. The overskirt, veil and circlet I've made are done too--but those don't stay on a hanger very well. :-) I have socks, Baltic-style slippers, and a wool sash that I've purchased. Once I finish the apron and shawl and obtain a suitable set of stickpins, I'll be done! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 22:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF37Tmm014850 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF35iSs089990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF35gfl040599; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF35aZA040538 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.181.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.181] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ebr8Z-0002Pf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <43794FC3.6080708@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:27 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Melanie Schuessler References: <002d01c5e5fa$5eee2fe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20051110191203.0366b528@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you Bjarne for posting this on the list. > > Melanie, I, too, love the work you have done on that doublet. You have > inspired me to follow suit, as soon as I can find some time and a > suitable project to work on. Ah, perhaps the glove gauntlets I keep > wanting to do, since small and portable must be a part of the criteria. That sounds lovely! > Please Melanie, keep us informed on your progress. I will, of course, though progress is slow. Perhaps in a year or two I'll have something more to show than more of the same. For right now, I'm 3/4 through the embroidery and applique on the doublet. Next panel on the frame will be the other half of the front plus the short uppersleeve pieces, then a panel or two of skirt guarding. THEN I can begin construction! Slowly but surely (mostly slowly), Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 14 23:23:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF4Mtnn016666 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:23:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF4MIP8099106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF4MDYg084055; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF4M8QD084019 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE417395D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005301c5e99c$bed5cda0$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:26:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One is wearing an Edwardian outfit in a great shade of purple (it was a pink I overdyed with blue) with white lace trim around the neck, decorating the top, and the bottom of the sleeves. The skirt has white insertions where the side panels met the front panel, all of this needs ribbons laced through it, but I haven't find a color I liked yet. I made to wear to an event this summer and liked the way it turned out. the other is wearing: a crinoline, a silk ruffled petticoat, a scarlet lace tiered petticoat, a bright purple underskirt, and a black silk and lace tiered skirt. On top she has a black lace blouse with leg-o-mutton sleeves. and a bright red 7" wide belt that is tied with red satin ribbon. The skirt is tucked up so all the layers show. I was seeing if I liked the look, and I do, now all I have to do is find some place to wear it :-) Susan in Bellevue > So, what's your dressmaker's > dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 00:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF5WMpN018278 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF5VrXf006193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF5Vngr020733; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF5VjQB020702 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EbtQ0-0006hT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:44 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051114232604.031dd420@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:31:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511142307.jAEN763t090103@net.indra.com> References: <200511142307.jAEN763t090103@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We don't have a dummy either. But, the DH is busy making 2 teddy bears and 2 shoulder wraps out of an old mink coat. A co-worker of mine had this old coat from her grandmother, and she asked if we could make bears and wraps out of it for her granddaughters. So, I spent about 2 weeks carefully picking the whole thing apart, now the re-construction begins. The wraps will be lined with the original coat lining, and there were some monogram appliques on the lining that will be applied to one of the wraps as well. We'll probably put the original coat label on the other wrap. My project for the next 1.5 months will be baking holiday goodies and the various holiday dinners. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 02:01:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF71QO1020494 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:01:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF70lJ3013414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF70gnC058350; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF70T04058235 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAF70oil012293 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:00:50 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF70L3W062212 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051114225034.026b5400@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:53:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company >dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's >dummy wearing today? I'm storing a couple of hats on her right now, including my basic Harry Potter's World hat. Other than that she's just wearing a t-shirt with the bones of the human torso and hips printed on it. It belongs to her actually. I used to take her to schools to put costumes on, for historical talks, and the little kids would giggle when the clothes came off. But they don't giggle when they see bones underneath. (It ain't no sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 04:53:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAF9qwlj027578 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:52:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAF9qPtR043402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAF9qLUi030426; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42406.mail.yahoo.com (web42406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAF9qH3p030378 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95282 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2005 09:52:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1UBeERWPg1zYC6K+Wv853MhNNF96Tc8PvSdxWX7NWl8H9EGkzReQbPllQOqVzWE4URusO84pDqWOyvU+QUILS72wadxUJaXxLk0gKK/lr8S+4SGUFT9Bek5G/lT9bvQ1HRoLN9uY4fGyTn/lkmSvvZ5qf2DV8UD2uV5HaQqMmhk= ; Message-ID: <20051115095212.95280.qmail@web42406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.66] by web42406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:52:12 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! My toddler size dummy is wearing a Christmas Fairy costume; I just need to cut out 200 holly leaves!! I wonder if my 3 year old daughter will appreciate all the hard work?!! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:53:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > > In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: > > Right now mine's topless. > > > And mine is bottomless. And mine is naked as a jaybird. I'm collecting the last of the materials for my Pelican gown and I refuse to start anything else until that dress is DONE. (slaps hand that is wandering toward that oh-so-tempting pile of fabrics..) I'm also preparing to move---have to be out of this house by January 1, before the wrecking ball hits...so starting any more projects right now would a bit...silly. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 06:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFB1vOo010288 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:02:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFAxxwV049155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFAxt2H059269; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFAxqIE059231 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21f.2cf9797 (57365) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <21f.2cf9797.30ab199f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:59:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/15/2005 4:53:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I just need to cut out 200 holly leaves!! I wonder if my 3 year old daughter will appreciate all the hard work?!! I appreciate it! I would never do it--I would use ready-made leaves, myself. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 07:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFCpIMJ028184 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:51:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFCoQdE057667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFCoJrg007223; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFCoHTF007200 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so1222598wxd for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lZwVhxIThFCH30zZJIbLaXTJcqgrvxqtBi4xT1lNShORipZl4JwG49YXSpjHPCiqqIVushqpZOrI142LhhIZz8/KPDDs7mi7lLqpDPTFRxsFgZLj8xjIKGwzfcDuUPouyHa7ldtqqHdiA7XKbYC8BX30jUZpCLryOFYKzEthmjE= Received: by 10.65.153.12 with SMTP id f12mr7088996qbo; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:15 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFCoHTF007200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Muppet Fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> http://www.fabric.com/Webdata/Product/d4ebf93b-829b-405c-b49d-68a951920948/Images/Medium_AK-781.jpg Mari On 11/14/05, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Monday 14 November 2005 1:51 pm, Marie Stewart wrote: > > A German coat a'la 1580. Front opening fitted bodice, skirt pleated > > in the back. Made of rust fulled wool, lined with black Muppet fur. > > The long sleeves end in hefty turned back cuffs, and a black silk cord > > is couched along the entire circumference. > > Sounds lovely. But what is "Muppet fur?" > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:14:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDEirq028808 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDE7l3060050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDE26c019217; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42404.mail.yahoo.com (web42404.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFDE1S3019157 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30334 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2005 13:13:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=32dP1Hlfov+7JydN5UaxRe3ESqQq6g/PvWcHdxVl+fpS0rmVPpuj2SBXaNn+2CqQp3mMiSdltLhov26mzqmxwk5kmVA1WafAdgA+wdggGOAb71AZli82hgyZzJDzMY3/KRnvxzNd6gZlf5eEpgpuluvSr0Oxs5gm8CmxR0NtjGM= ; Message-ID: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.116.137] by web42404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:13:55 PST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! Ann I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), and I have to budget for gift shopping for Santa (I'm one of his elves in disguise!! lol), so the DIY option was the cheapest. Hubby has promised to cut some out though! Better find that extra pair of scissors....! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:22:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDMOmS028970 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDLwkb060909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDLudo023207; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDLncf023126 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.73.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.73] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ec0ks-00045u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:18:36 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marie Stewart wrote: > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDfVhw029361 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDeuDo062640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDesQJ032461; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDep74032426 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2476f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.111]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ABCE5EE00A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:40:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c5e9ea$36b99c00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:40:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Now we are talking about fur. Yesterday they had a bargain in my Mall. I could get a silverfox with head, legs and tails, you know how these looks like, for a bargain. Very fine quality. Could i use such a fox and sew on my 18th century cloak? I would consider it a shame to remove the head, legs and tail, but would this be period? My cloak has a wide falling collar made of faux fur! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:43:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDhDjg029408 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDgOlS062753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDgOg9033152; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDgIq5033090 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so1129426wxc for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yz0AtizW/9O2z2RHnGYMR14W994UK5JsXNK7hG34YyKYOqYU/1YY3UUrwElaDqGZhQn8lDtJ/6E8lYcCG0cifwPtSyIFaC0fQgiMlolgOAxDCobqY13pOJZHlhHb4nTEVAgDK09zjf5AKmZWf0egiHzahBSRLSpLDO1QZdpUlLU= Received: by 10.65.218.2 with SMTP id v2mr7020975qbq; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:42:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:42:18 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur In-Reply-To: <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFDgIq5033090 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I misremembered the date. Portrait of Young Woman Artist: Hans Holbein 1517 http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Marie Stewart wrote: > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 08:54:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFDsXG1029645 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:54:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFDrooU064555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDrldM039303; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFDriNq039202 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: <4379E8CF.5090902@msn.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:55:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 13:53:38.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAE78370:01C5E9EB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine is wearing a draping of a black wool skirt with an overlay of silver/grey burnout velvet (black background) in a cool scrollie pattern. I'm not sure what it will be yet. I am just playing with fabric at the moment. Sg Other than that it periodically holds my new ruff for the upcoming presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum. SG > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEOIAU030390 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFENvVx067774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFENs0o054937; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFENnx7054864 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50218 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 14:23:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051115141749.01d74998@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:23:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: References: <20051114135252.59D90223@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine has one small hip pad, and one slightly larger, (as the lady has one hip higher than the other,) and a petticoat from the costume which I made a year or two ago. I am now making a quilted petticoat to go under the caraco jacket. There is a tape measure, an Indian cap with sequin and embroidery - from when I was "into" elephants - now it's dragons. It also has pins and safety pins in the neck, and a piece of elastic tied round the waist to checking skirt lengths. Also a tape measure pinned to the back neck and waist, and hanging down the back to give me a height when I need it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:30:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEUigh030488 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEUJc3068374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEUIR2058446; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEUEv2058370 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 818985878 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:30:12 -0600 Message-ID: <016c01c5e9f1$1a34df70$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:30:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Muppet fur is what you get when you skin a dead muppet! Preferrably a prime pelt like Cookie Monster, Elmo or Snuffalupagus. Kermit and the Count never have prime pelts, so not worth the bother. Is Sesame Street old enough to be on-topic for a historical costuming list? Denise B in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:44:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEi40B030753 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEhYmL070005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEhWKi065911; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEhSqZ065877 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m174.in-tch.com [216.166.191.174]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAFEa3k21413 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:36:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com><4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nice portrait! It'll be great to see the outfit when you finish it. This whole use of fur prompts an odd question for me, though. I'm aware, from all the years of costuming I've done in the SCA, and all the conversations about it, that the heat/perspiration/cooling properties of fabrics can vary enormously depending on whether they're natural or man-made materials, let alone, what kind of natural materials. Does anyone have any similar experience to share about the differing properties of real and faux furs? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > misremembered the date. > > Portrait of Young Woman > Artist: Hans Holbein > 1517 > > http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg > > On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Marie Stewart wrote: > > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > > > Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 09:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFEpBjX030962 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:51:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEoVT1070740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEoS1R069916; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFEoPHI069885 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFEoOug006727 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:50:24 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFEoDQ2060668 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:50:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051115064613.035ea2f8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:50:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051114225034.026b5400@mail.frys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company >>dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >>planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >>costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's >>dummy wearing today? > >I'm storing a couple of hats on her right now, including my basic Harry >Potter's World hat. Other than that she's just wearing a t-shirt with the >bones of the human torso and hips printed on it. It belongs to her >actually. I used to take her to schools to put costumes on, for >historical talks, and the little kids would giggle when the clothes came >off. But they don't giggle when they see bones underneath. (It ain't no >sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones.) I forgot to mention that mine has a head I made out of a cut-down Styrofoam wig head. I added a hollow neck of poster board, that fits over her original neck, then I paper mache-ed over the whole head/neck thing. I can take her head off so I can put clothes on her body, then I can replace it so I can try out the head-wear with the clothes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 10:21:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFFLuYU031692 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFFLRYM074796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFLLxP090747; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFLGq0090649 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.12f.6987040a (4246) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.6987040a.30ab56de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:21:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO one's wearing the fabric for a coat I'm making the other half for christmas - one's wearing a victorian corset (or the beginnings of it anyway - one (child sized) is wearing a part made British army Crimean uniform (child sized, obv.), and the other is naked, but soon to be wearing an 18th century embroidered coat. well, you did ask.... debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 10:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFFYX9t031867 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:34:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFFXLJ3076226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFXGG4099079; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFFXCaT099029 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1193461wra for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XvGIW2gWCOdJ8sR6+2xq9EkhFNJgGjkJPHfnga61Tb2lHpgbhi+UyGstkaKlTkvAALGbF2kzt6Cri2LnQhGzomDBrMlc4TInv9XIGslJQ8DBvJusAbs7nrlv4+GPXbhTaP47fyxVka+N2FGrvSF8RkbG7ylOWDktrvhD1UU1b1A= Received: by 10.65.44.7 with SMTP id w7mr930531qbj; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511150733v50724059xb14575e5b1957baf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:33:11 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur In-Reply-To: <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c5e9f3$dd53ab60$aebfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAFFXCaT099029 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's part of my experiment! Cool. I'm trying to see how well the fluff of the acrylic fur will trap heat. I'm betting that my natural sheep skin will do a better job, but... just have to give it a try. Bridgette On 11/15/05, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Nice portrait! It'll be great to see the outfit when you finish it. > This whole use of fur prompts an odd question for me, though. I'm aware, > from all the years of costuming I've done in the SCA, and all the > conversations about it, that the heat/perspiration/cooling properties of > fabrics can vary enormously depending on whether they're natural or man-made > materials, let alone, what kind of natural materials. Does anyone have any > similar experience to share about the differing properties of real and faux > furs? > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Stewart" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:42 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > > > > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > > misremembered the date. > > > > Portrait of Young Woman > > Artist: Hans Holbein > > 1517 > > > > http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/5wife.jpg > > > > On 11/15/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > Marie Stewart wrote: > > > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in > black. > > > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > > > > > Which portrait? This coat sounds interesting, and I'd love to see your > > > inspiration. Also, depending on the surface quality of the "fur," you > > > might be able to make a case for it being similar to silk shag, which > > > was popular in some places in the later 16th c. (See pics of the lining > > > in Verney's loose gown in Patterns of Fashion, p. 38.) > > > > > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 11:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFGdOTi001618 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFGaJr0085408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFGEt1H031387; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:15:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFGEiK5031124 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9745F262873 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:14:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:14:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chemise construktion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before because i always just edged my dresses with lace. But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFH5QIq002420 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFH4eUD089141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFH4cPp072985; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFH4YvI072879 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.fd.211bc295 (4552) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:04:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:21:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? ***************************** I'd add more that 2". Remember, in the period the cut reflects a time when things were not really cut as we think of it today, but came off the loom in rectangles and squares. Not all chemises add the triangular pieces for extra room in the hips and at the hem. It would then be a straight tube the measurement of the hip area and hem. You don't need to be THAT primitive....shaping is allowed. But I'd go a little fuller than usual. It all gets smashed under the corset, true, but sometimes the neck of the chemise gets drawn up by a cord in a casing ... Not as much as a ruffle...but a bit. *************************************** Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? *********************************** Both is done in the period. I'd put them on the dress....unless you see some chemise sleeve peaking out from under the dress' sleeve.....which you do in the 1780s and 90s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:29:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHTTlJ002988 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:29:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHT4nm092585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHSxAf093680; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHSq8w093579 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C3A047FE47 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:28:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5ea0a$0ca79910$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:28:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for taking the time for this. I also have ben thinking it would be silly to add the engageantes to the chemise, as it always is going to be washed after each use, and therefore would be more labout to iron the laces of the sleaves. I want to make a casing for a drawstring along the neckline, so that it can be perfectly fitted to the dress neckline. I will use 2 inches extra, Thanks for this Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion > In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:21:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I > suppose > this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches > for > > movement. > Is this correkt? > ***************************** > > > I'd add more that 2". Remember, in the period the cut reflects a time when > things were not really cut as we think of it today, but came off the loom > in > rectangles and squares. Not all chemises add the triangular pieces for > extra > room in the hips and at the hem. It would then be a straight tube the > measurement of the hip area and hem. You don't need to be THAT > primitive....shaping > is allowed. But I'd go a little fuller than usual. It all gets smashed > under > the corset, true, but sometimes the neck of the chemise gets drawn up by > a > cord in a casing ... Not as much as a ruffle...but a bit. > > *************************************** > > > Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i > just > sew it to the dress sleaves? > > *********************************** > Both is done in the period. I'd put them on the dress....unless you see > some > chemise sleeve peaking out from under the dress' sleeve.....which you do > in > the 1780s and 90s. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHduSM003255 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHdHNm094366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHdEqM003138; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHd74e002936 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.25]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051115173900.MJFT11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008101c5ea0a$ddf32840$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511141051q1d6fc1b5q262cb822d75cfd31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:34:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately, I have nothing coming up that I can play dress-up at. I'm in a bit of a no-man's land by way of costuming, and any Christmas parties coming up are very informal. *Sigh* So instead I'm using the time to repair and update some of my dance costumes. Presently my dummy is looking all disco-sparkly in a lovely three tone gold Bedlah set, which I am in the process of adding more gold and holographic gold pailletes to. Base fabric is a dark almost tarnished looking matte gold, the silver-lined beads and sequins are orange and bright gold with a smattering of holograpic sequins and paillets in the mix. I usually make all of my own applique's, these ones are simple geometric shapes. I have also added some more large orange jewels, which I have 'set' with gold and orange beads. It's soon getting to the point where I will have to wear sunglasses to finish it. :-) I also need to finish off the set with some accessories, arm bands of some sort and something for my hair. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:48:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHmqDI003495 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHmZsr095459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHmU9t011036; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHmMbe010840 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8.7529a6d7 (16930) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <8.7529a6d7.30ab7953@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 728 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/15/05 5:30:41 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > It also has pins and safety pins in the neck Forgot about the assortment of pins, bits of fabric pinned on to mark CF and CB, and wastlines etc, and the remnants of a mock up of a cage crinoline that I haven't got round to taking off yet :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 12:50:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFHodjK003534 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:50:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFHoHhL095722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHoCVg012640; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFHo2Fs012417 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.251.1147b38 (3956) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAFHodjK003534 Status: RO In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJDshe005775 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJDJOg006326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJDACp080070; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marlborough.concentric.com (marlborough.concentric.com [207.155.248.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJCwqk079845 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from fruitbaum (66-105-235-2.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.2]) by marlborough.concentric.com id OAA10588; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:12:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200511151251.jAFCoKdR007233@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 thread-index: AcXp47vy0U4DZHbmRX6UBqTp0DzhuAANIriQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine's just wearing the canvas cover since I never got her to remotely resemble me...with an instructor's help. How do you model rounded shoulders and a hollow chest? A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get sticky. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJQfEI006106 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJPkBJ008072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJPajX090320; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAFJPU4e090120 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 79345 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 19:25:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051115190005.01d77298@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:07:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion In-Reply-To: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000901c5e9ff$b0c044d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:14 15/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and >have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before >because i always just edged my dresses with lace. >But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. >My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I >suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces >then + 2 inches for movement. >Is this correkt? >Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should >i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Your lady may need a little more in the width of the main pieces Bjarne. Jean's chemise is made to fit a 91-96 cm chest, (36"-38") and you will find anyone bigger needs a bit more or it is very snug. Because you are making a corset, and there should not be a lot of spare fabric under it, 2-3" maximum should be all you will need. You will not need extra for ease or movement because of the corset. Do also check the sleeves, as I find that they are rather snug too. You can use a casing for a draw string, but it also helps to put the corset on the unfinished chemise, pull down the extra, and cut the neckline once the corset is on. The sleeves sometimes have a draw string too, or the ends are left loose on the binding and tied. Do contact me off list if you want - I make these all the time. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 14:58:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFJwo2F007035 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJwGDs012066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJwDim017447; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFJw5v9017299 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFJw1ug024018 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:01 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.63.213] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.213]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFJvwwp012156 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:58:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051115115529.032b45a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:56:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> References: <200511151251.jAFCoKdR007233@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better >suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get >sticky. Make a snug-fitting fabric cover for the duct tape one, and only pin to the cover. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:29:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKTVhT007777 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKSq6Y015958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKSkXd042046; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKSbOe041901 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.25]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ec7Pu-0002Fu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: <14243279.1132086514853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:28:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, my reply about the lace frills is from a costumer and considers practicality rather than necessarily being authentic, but for what it's worth: I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. Depending on how carefully the actress dresses, the lace edging may or may not be as precisely lined up with the sleeve and neckline edges as you'd want, but the ease of care is more important to me. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 15, 2005 11:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] chemise construktion Hi, I am a little embarrased to ask, because i really aught to know and have made this before, but actually i never made a chemise before because i always just edged my dresses with lace. But i want to construkt after Jean Hunniset's chemise. My lady meassures 21 inches from under the arms and over the bust. I suppose this should be my meassure for the front and back pieces then + 2 inches for movement. Is this correkt? Do you think i should add the lace frills to the sleaves, or should i just sew it to the dress sleaves? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:49:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKnlLB008322 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKnPRh018506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKnKHM058308; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKnCex058209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0038.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.38]:2900 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1Ec7jt-0003Ld-5z for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <437A49BF.1000100@floodcity.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:49:03 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <200511151912.OAA10588@marlborough.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julie Tamura wrote: > Mine's just wearing the canvas cover since I never got her to remotely > resemble me...with an instructor's help. How do you model rounded shoulders > and a hollow chest? > > A friend and I are planning on making duct tape doubles. Any better > suggestions? I know that pinning will be more difficult and pins will get > sticky. > > Julie > I've heard of paper packing tape dummies, and they sound usable, whatever you make, I think a fitted canvas cover on it would give you something to pin to that won't make things difficult. I'm going to make one for mine. And since my duct tape dummy is fifty pounds ago, I'm going to make my canvas cover to fit me as I am now and then stuff it. Again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 15:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFKsGi0008455 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFKrrIl018923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKrrsU062096; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFKrmNp062021 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5033E34D06 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:53:47 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] chemise construktion Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:53:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <14243279.1132086514853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am assuming that this is a 1700s outfit. (got in the topic late)a suggestion and not this is how it's done. If you have a double row of lace/ruffle on the sleeve, you could have the lace/ruffle that is near the skin sewn to the chemise and the top lace/ruffle sewn to the dress. -----Original Message----- Bjarne, my reply about the lace frills is from a costumer and considers practicality rather than necessarily being authentic, but for what it's worth: I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. Depending on how carefully the actress dresses, the lace edging may or may not be as precisely lined up with the sleeve and neckline edges as you'd want, but the ease of care is more important to me. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 17:49:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFMnWPh011547 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFMmt9J034408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFMmlnv054374; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFMmgE5054203 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.129.6934ae3f (3956) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:48:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Absolute must - my Nana spent hours making me a medieval princess dress when I was little, but we didn't get any pics - all I can remember is that it was gorgeous, purple, and had a big pointy henin! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 18:49:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFNn4Dh013056 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFNmejw041857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNmbUK099478; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNmWrN099355 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3C80398; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:48:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 15 Nov 05 23:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c5ea3f$35e70920$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The last time I did this sort of project, after cutting the first 10 leaves, I began to cut the rest free-hand. This made the chore more interesting (as to repeating the shapes from a given piece of felt), The assembly thereafter was Much more interesting. Pick your best flick and enjoy the evening. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 18:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAFNoUd3013099 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAFNo9AE042039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNo7Em000668; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAFNnvrJ000487 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A41F03A4; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:49:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 15 Nov 05 23:49:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5ea3f$6d07e3c0$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <251.1147b38.30ab79c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:50:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OH, (from Kathleen)again, given you daughter's age, you may not need all 300!! KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know what that is in dollars!), Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? Bless you! You had better get lots of photos, to be sure your daughter remembers! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 19:11:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG0B9L2013621 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG0AWA1044441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG0AS72014941; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG0AMnX014806 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-138.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.138]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2005 08:10:15 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <437A7A8A.30003@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:17:14 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <129.6934ae3f.30abbfbe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, my male dummy has a regency shirt, waistcoat and a tailcoat and is waiting for a cravat, and the female has a brown taffeta 1830's bodice waiting for a skirt. My other three dummies are standing rather lonely in the shower bay - where I store them to keep them out of the way. Cheers, Aylwen Garden ------------------------------------------ http://www.regencyreproductions.com http://www.earthlydelights.com.au http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 21:59:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG2xARG017902 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG2wgLn062549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG2wbcJ007335; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG2w3EM007052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG4VmmE022648 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:31:48 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:00:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511152200.01828.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 15 November 2005 7:50 am, Marie Stewart wrote: > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> I thought that might be what you meant. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 15 22:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG3UftC018575 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG3UII8065468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG3UFef022567; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG3Tb5c022131 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A79A03B8; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:29:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.146 ([209.131.80.146] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Nov 05 03:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c5ea5e$1b673060$925083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <200511152200.01828.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:30:33 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just made my 3yr old granddaughter her new winter coat and hat from this stuff. Shocking pink, she chose. Too cute!!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > On Tuesday 15 November 2005 7:50 am, Marie Stewart wrote: > > Muppet Fur is what I call the currently popular Acrylic furlike fiber. > > Some folks call it Teddy Bear, some folks call it eyelash. > > LONG URL... but this gives the texture. The lining I used is in black. > > Got the fabric for a steal from my local shop. > > The texture approximates the look in the portrait, and seeing as this > > project was just for fun, I went with the Muppet. :> > > I thought that might be what you meant. Thanks. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 00:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG5pJAq020589 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG5ogPg081236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG5oado095602; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG5oVaf095580 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EcGBj-0002Wd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:50:31 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051115234544.02e2cd80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:50:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511151914.jAFJDv9u080638@net.indra.com> References: <200511151914.jAFJDv9u080638@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAG5oVaf095580 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: holly leaves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's what I was going to suggest - getting a large 'silk' holly garland and peeling off the leaves. They usually come off very easily. This is how we did the angel wings from one of our painting reproductions (fantasy) - got every bit of silk greenery from the local craft store that had the right shape leaves, and peeled them off. We lucked out - the store had all silk flowers/greens at 50% off that day only. Sandy At 01:14 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:49:53 EST >From: AnnBWass@aol.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? > >>glassesgal@yahoo.com writes: >> >>I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come >>across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know >>what that is in dollars!), > >Ouch! That is pricey. You couldn't pull leaves off bunches for a lot >cheaper? And are you sewing them all on, as opposed to gluing? > >Ann Wass "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 01:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG6X2MJ021251 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:33:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG6WgrH085680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG6Wd7Q015774; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG6Wa3x015744 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so1554332wxc for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o/Q9wbDrjFdVTum8Jji3k6SM+AukDlJdpxhhlBQN/og1uy0gzo21Wy15ghS8LHhtCAWrdYDvHUsB3GQkLl59LwsgzRJzD4Jp3gR0mh4sLbVTyrclKO3LZNQLuxlX588+4jABufLhS+a8wVQ6GpufeyHPU9TmUAXqAW9HmgiI61Q= Received: by 10.70.54.2 with SMTP id c2mr3662697wxa; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.31.14 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0511152232w6b213cak1910df5830ee611c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:32:35 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051115131355.30332.qmail@web42404.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAG6X2MJ021251 Status: RO Jayne, what a great project! I hope you'll link us to a picture once you're finished. I made elf wings a few years ago, about three feet long and two wide. I purchased a bunch of silky maple leaf bushes from JoAnn Fabrics, stripped them from the branches and hot-glued them to to wings. I have also purchased silky holly branches to use for a different project. Michael's also carries these silky bushes. Best wishes on your project! LynnD On 11/15/05, Jayne Thomas wrote: > > Hi! Ann > > I did look into getting ready made holly leaves, but the ones I have come > across come in packets of six leaves at £3.00 a packet (sorry, I don't know > what that is in dollars!), and I have to budget for gift shopping for Santa > (I'm one of his elves in disguise!! lol), so the DIY option was the > cheapest. Hubby has promised to cut some out though! Better find that extra > pair of scissors....! > > All the best > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 04:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAG95V1j018886 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:05:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAG94qMx001862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG94lwi085495; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAG94hq4085435 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAG94ae29587.; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:36 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:36 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:04:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise construktion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAG94hq4085435 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> ruthanneb@mindspring.com 15/11/2005 20:28 >>> wrote: >I always edge the chemise in lace rather than sewing the lace to the dress, because the chemise is much easier >to launder. With the actresses in make-up, the lace gets soiled easily but the dress usually stays pretty clean, >and if the actress perspires this also affects the chemise much more than the costume, so washing the chemise >keeps the whole costume looking clean and smelling fresh. ...which of course is exactly how it worked in period. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 06:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGBOaii015320 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:24:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGBO2QE029770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGBNudr044950; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGBNqUc044922 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24712.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.18]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A3F4262814 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, in case some of you dont know, there is a 4 hour long Marie Antoinette movie on TCM right now! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 07:33:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGCX1hV001526 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGCWcFJ034192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGCWZoJ072237; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGCWUoV072208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-191-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.191]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAGCWS80030649 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:32:29 +1100 Message-ID: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:32:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hello to the list, I know we discussed this pattern when it first came out, but I was wondering if anybody has actually looked at it and worked out if it's designed to be worn over the corset (the pictures on the website aren't clear)? If the bodice is cut to be worn over a cone shaped foundation it could be really useful as a base for several time periods. Whilst the skirt may not be to everyone's taste a bodice that's already got the period silhouette right without needing to get rid of the curved princess seams could be a valuable pattern to have, and certainly a much better starting point for beginners than the ones designed to be worn over a bra. Obviously the back seams are in the wrong place for all the periods I can think of but it's still a better starting point than any of the other big 3 patterns. I ask because I was thinking of teaching a class on removing princess seams so people can create an Elizabethan bodice from a commercial pattern, but if this one is already in the right shape I'd probably recommend it as a bodice pattern. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 08:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGD6edG006811 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGD6K3U036138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGD6JHk085634; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGD6CQS085548 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6786 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2005 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2005 13:06:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051116125847.01d08150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:06:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c5eaa0$429c1780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Braces, yet again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just retrieved an old copy of "Costume 4" (the journal of the U.K. Costume Society) and there is an article on Old Deerfield, by Adele Jay-Filene. Among the black and white plates is a photograph of "Suspenders" - these are the same as English braces are they not? The article states (written in 1970) "The costumes in the collection are virtually limited to the eighteenth century and consist of men's and women's suits and dresses, children's suits and dresses, church vestments, accessories such as men's embroidered night caps, undergarments, shoes, stockings, purses, pockets, garters and suspenders. (my italics.) Perhaps someone could contact the curator and find out more? It's a bit pricey to phone from my side of the pond! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 10:30:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGFUD5R014031 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGFSsKV049603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFSdCB069881; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFSYOL069752 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005111615282901400nqoe6e>; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:28:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:28:31 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the "Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, too. Has anybody played with these toys? The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info would be appreciated. Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 10:45:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGFjuul014288 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGFjZYE051656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFjXEh082908; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGFjTt1082765 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B40BE879 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:45:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:45:26 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051116154523.B2B40BE879@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never used one myself but saw someone using it. It is very easy to make rope with it. For small cords I use a hair twister the braid X-press. Like this one http://www.bodydeco.co.uk/acatalog/Hair_Briading.html. Bought it secondhand for 1 Euro. For two to four strands. Greetings, Deredere Lauren Walker wrote: >Hi, >Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the >"Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is >supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? > >I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to >decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell >that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, >too. Has anybody played with these toys? > >The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether >they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info >would be appreciated. > >Thanks! >Lauren > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 11:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGGdp8C015064 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGGd64l059458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGcxRg026366; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGcnM5026154 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: <437B60FB.2030606@msn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:40:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atenveldt , Aten Arts , "h-costume@indra.com" , TheRenaissanceTailor , Crofters@yahoogroups.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 16:38:36.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[30CBFCB0:01C5EACC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum-Suitable Gown for her Majesty-Dec-15th, 7:00 pm X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, sorry for the cross posts. Thought some of you might be interested in this: We will be presenting the "Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" again at the Phoenix Art Museum in conjunction with the exhibit Lingerie: Secrets of Elegance on Thursday, December 15th at 7:00 pm. So for those of you who missed it last year, here is another chance! I will be presenting a short slide show of costumes which includes a color slide of a rarely seen portrait by Frederigo Zuccero. (This portrait appears in Max Von Boehn's _Modes and Manners_ and was formerly thought to be a picture of Mary Stuart.) It is particularly interesting for it's huge mahoitered sleeves. *_Thursday nights at the museum are free!_* So you can see the whole museum and the presentation for the price of gas! Hope to see you then, Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 11:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGGgRV4015091 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:42:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGGfvqY059853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGfu3i028762; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGfpWQ028659 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96493FB7C; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437a9487.6fb; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5De2FOCF39yQIAAAAF,277ae372e9ac17f52690954ff179e11d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List , TheCostumersManifesto , Authentic SCA , Reconstructing History , The Renaissance Tailor X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051116084150.96D4AD3B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone dealt with this company? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, All, Please forgive if you receive more than one of these messages - I've posted it to all the re-enactment/costuming e-groups I'm on, even ones where this is OOP, as I know that people often do more than era in their re-enacting/costuming. Has anyone had any dealings with Coon River Mercantile? http://www.coonriver.com/ I have tried to contact them via email a couple of times because I have a query about one of their specials, and have received no response whatsoever. I have been told that they are good to deal with, by one of our friends who knows other people who have bought stuff from them, but I am starting to wonder. My next avenue of action will be either waiting up until the wee small hours , or getting up very early, to make an international phone call to them. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joannah ( who is really quite looking forward to her husband re-enacting a period for which he can BUY accurate clothing! ) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 12:35:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGHZWZM015879 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGHYs3S067374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGHYmwv071366; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGrKO1038021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-180.sonic.net [209.148.113.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGGrIvQ031143 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:53:21 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? Thanks, Fran > in conjunction with the exhibit Lingerie: Secrets of Elegance > on Thursday, December > 15th at 7:00 pm. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 14:10:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGJAFds017185 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGJ6U04079518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGHJVwn059947; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42409.mail.yahoo.com (web42409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGD0XF9082980 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6679 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 13:00:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pY6hY0pwqgACxrbRyNTdLDiXSK8m6xPit2Fbe2EBK8x4EPsZqv5Z77gt+2kUcQCDFdAk3AWYe/hW60YAZFgy9SEjSj9I223I3UD+Ak/u7YgkqrxQxmOG0sRwum4yyIQew2AkXEspUmziS9xG+0UU/yWWBdKqs7BtM0mmu3yh8fA= ; Message-ID: <20051116130027.6677.qmail@web42409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.65] by web42409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:00:27 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holly Leaves (was What's Your Dressmaker's Dummy wearing?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! Hubby and I cut out the holly leaves last night, wasn't too bad while listening to our favourite CD's (Hubby got the bottles of beer I promised him for helping me!). When I am doing anything like this, I do more than I need, to allow for mistakes - I've spotted a few strange looking holly leaves in the pile! I looked at the holly-leaf based Christmas decorations, and they all looked a bit non-holly leaf. Such a perfectionist!! Just got to sew them on, which I don't mind! If the photos of my daughter in her costumes come out well (I have some beautiful ones of her in her Tudor costume), I get them enlarged and framed, and give them as gifts to her Grandparents, Aunties and Uncles, and other relatives, which they all love! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGK55vR018258 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGK3u4i086672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGK3n43090816; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGK3gMI090564 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16965 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 20:03:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FaeQaXtJshK55tFaHkHI52ez0rar0bsIxJ2TAyoyIDZy+ATZubDFdstOjLKtCINqmZU0g0Rwapyx53OTgZd/KA3Ox7qLdvYwd3/Ohg+Ie6anv8CwzMxFnP7xKJ3QnZ33VSbn68Tv1vFg2JR6PY5AyqlgZpZqMciTglC52S+6wxw= ; Message-ID: <20051116200318.16963.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:03:18 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511161900.jAGJ0B6Z040778@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Coon River X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What are you wanting to buy from Coon River, and what is the level of authenticity you want? If Coon River doesn't come across for you I might be able to make some other suggestions of people who would love to deal with you. Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKHdL8018527 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKC5M9087634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKC0Jl097000; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGIp9t0033495 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: <437B8007.3030701@msn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:52:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2005 18:51:03.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[B17C4D80:01C5EADE] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll ask.... Lavolta Press wrote: > Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:19:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKJDwa018569 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKIljL088561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKIfs3002663; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAGKIVGw002439 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92814 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2005 20:18:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q0RdW1Y0taBm9t++lEyT6OP0njGZ4GEt1c+ykSdHlLZGNTVzVMwoPZ60Cii1VHVb6HMRla3eluHoYsb40MOp46fhHf93Dy0NQbexC0HHyAfX2/GemNNtFxoZHDiOQskrOFzET9J98FaEBI3orIMXroIRKJRi0qSud8SWeR/lTJs= ; Message-ID: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:18:24 PST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511161900.jAGJ0B6Z040778@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays pattern because is WAS correct in shape. If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without a pattern is a petticoat!!) Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKOJH3018725 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:24:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKO0OV089084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNvH5006581; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNZBK006384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-131.sonic.net [209.148.113.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKNUcg026285 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:30 -0800 Message-ID: <437B9546.4010208@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:23:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Art museum References: <437B6401.7090704@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! Fran WickedFrau wrote: > I'll ask.... > > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Is there an illustrated print catalog for the lingerie exhibit? > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 15:56:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGKuBbV019264 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGKtprH093379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKtlQB032349; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGKtZNC032112 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.100.2119a7bd (24895) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <100.2119a7bd.30acf6ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:55:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/16/2005 3:19:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. That's right--she is doing research now, even as we speak. She will start from the inside out, and has been looking at all the stays she can get her hands on. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 16:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGLqcPf020291 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGLpgDD000253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGLpZco079099; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGLpSaI078976 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:51:27 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:51:24 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Martha McCain 18th century patterns for Simplicity Thread-Index: AcXq8NHEWEPuQUHST/6zxNdw+pw17QABFntA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAGLpSaI078976 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Martha McCain 18th century patterns for Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I'm looking forward to authentic 18th century patterns from Simplicity, hopefully next year. Not only should reinactors welcome them, but Sophia Coppola's film based on Antonia Fraser's biog of Marie Antoinette is coming out sometime later next year, which should spark an interest in late 18th costume. Lovers of Japanese costume should at least have a look at the Newmarket book, "Memoirs of a Geisha: Images of the Film" Of course, as in all Hollywood films, the extras have more authentic costumes, makeup and hairstyles, than the leads, but there is explanation why the lead actresses often are costumed less accurately than extras. For this film, it was not only because the leads have to stand out, the film and book relates Sayuri's memoiries, especially as a child, of the glamorous geisha Matsumomo. The Tonner Doll Company is doing a doll, a 16" tall Spring Dance Sayuri(a likeness of the movie character, not the actress playing Sayuri)in a stunning costume, copying the original from the movie. No release date yet for this doll, which is the first based on the movie. The full Memoirs of a Geisha doll line by Tonner will premier in Jan 2006, along with the full Harry Potter doll line, including Ron and Hermione and extra costumes and accessories. The 17" tall Harry Potter doll in Hogwarts uniform is supposed to ship next month; FAO Schwarzt will have an exclusive version of this HP doll with Hedwig the owl retailing for $150. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 18:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGNvFp1022342 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGNudbA017044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuT5q073431; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuOJ0073358 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp76.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.76]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAGNtq8H000533 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20051116184713.00c86f00@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: david webb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wondered if others might find this interesting: http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbt00e.htm Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume, ICOM International Committee for the Museums and Collections of Costume It's broken down by men's and women's clothing, etc. and includes basic line drawings. A bit basic, but if your mind goes blank trying to think of a clothing term, it could be useful sometime. Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 18:57:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAGNvPRC022354 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAGNv3rX017077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNv0Ix073790; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAGNuuMG073744 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:56:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.42.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.42] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EcX95-0006xZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <437BC686.1010501@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:53:42 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur References: <72adc2660511150450j4972ff6dh666bfe28a97d2799@mail.gmail.com> <4379E02C.7080708@faucet.net> <72adc2660511150542v493d4885rf161286d70af1946@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marie Stewart wrote: > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > misremembered the date. > > Portrait of Young Woman > Artist: Hans Holbein > 1517 That's a nice one! I don't believe I've seen that before. Thanks for sharing! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 20:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH1H4C6024053 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH1GZXk023783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1GUUC018181; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1GRAd018157 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so47709wra for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J+ofTbwuFDoXXJLO+3ASRsC3cBsqiUX8ld2LSsr64jfHN34axsjE1zktHUs+ICrOSF9erEl6uwL/hH8yncqpdKtP22+V7GnVQTB1OCGIHRf2wslR5CoRNHMMm/7AKkY7Rd/U0d4k6pByDfhYCelufp+KZdru3/1fNgWoHymLNGU= Received: by 10.64.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr6611688qbd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511161716w17a5f61cobe272502ec795c2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:16:24 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAH1GRAd018157 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein - before England portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's quickly become a favorite of mine. :> I have the coat... over gown... whatever - someone have a correct name for it? Next on the list... after the Lace Commission... is to make myself that Hemd. Hemd=Chemise - if I have that right. I just love that white worked collar. Then it's the apron. This one portrait just has so many interesting bits and items. Mari / Bridgette... like I don't already have enough to do. On 11/16/05, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Marie Stewart wrote: > > This is the painting which inspired me. Holbein before England ... I > > misremembered the date. > > > > Portrait of Young Woman > > Artist: Hans Holbein > > 1517 > > That's a nice one! I don't believe I've seen that before. > > Thanks for sharing! > Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 20:57:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH1v9Wr024707 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:57:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH1ukaD026977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1ucKm037431; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH1uRmk037288 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051117015617.CNRD13239.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:17 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.166.24]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051117015616.VWNI14324.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:16 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.3/173]); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:20 +1300 Message-ID: <00f201c5eb1a$1af33270$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660511161716w17a5f61cobe272502ec795c2a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein - before England portrait Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:56:18 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's quickly become a favorite of mine. :> > I have the coat... over gown... whatever - someone have a correct name for it? > Next on the list... after the Lace Commission... is to make myself that Hemd. > Hemd=Chemise - if I have that right. I just love that white worked collar. > Then it's the apron. > This one portrait just has so many interesting bits and items. I always felt so:) What I also found interesting was the lacing going through the dress rather than lacing rings. I've thought about it on and off and just what it is made of etc. I do suspect that is a long partlet she is wearing. Or two hemden maybe for more warmth? I have some examples of partlets being worn over dresses. There is possibly another warm layer between the two? It kind of defeats the purpose of a very warm dress to wear a thin layer of linen just where one wants a lot of warmth;) I know when I wear my linen kirtle under my wool burgundian: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/burgundian.htm I get chilly even with three layers of linen there;) Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 22:44:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH3iICG026028 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:44:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH3hiTd036850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH3haNZ091427; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH3hXEt091384 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409A551D48 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051116191941.036dfee8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511111435.jABEZQbr052655@net.indra.com> <20051111162233.80516.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:22 AM 11/11/2005, you wrote: >I also have a metalsmith interested in reproducing the >buckle and roses for me in brass. If we can pull up >enough dimensional detail for it so that the repro is >faithful to the original, he may just put it into >production in his collection. That would be cool. > >Kathy Oooh, if so, please let us know who that metalsmith is. My husband needs a garter of that order for his Elizabethan character (George Clifford, Earl of Cumberland). And thanks for sharing. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 16 23:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH4IX1X026618 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH4I2iq039490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH4I0Kl007421; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH4HuKX007371 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C2951C13 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051116201720.03659930@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:17:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) In-Reply-To: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:55 AM 11/12/2005, you wrote: >So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use >of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are >extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no >(there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side >of the 16th century) >thanks >Elizabeth Hi Elizabeth, Did you ever get an answer on this question? I was curious as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 00:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH5K3n0027748 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH5JXJj044401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH5JSti036073; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH5JO7C036043 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAH5Bxk02532 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:12:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001d01c5eb37$66cd8200$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003c01c5e77f$efd936e0$6adbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.1.2.0.20051116201720.03659930@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:26:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I didn't see anything about it come across the list. I know that twills were distinctly used (I've seen them in person), but not the herringbone, and haven't had the time to go through my books that have extant bits in them to double check. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] herringbone weave in the 16th century? (is it period) > At 03:55 AM 11/12/2005, you wrote: > >So can anybody answer my basic question, is there any evidence for the use > >of a herringbone weave in the 16th century, with a simple yes (there are > >extant pieces of herringbone weave fabric from the 16th century) or no > >(there is no evidence for herringbone weave for X many years either side > >of the 16th century) > >thanks > >Elizabeth > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Did you ever get an answer on this question? I was curious as well. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 04:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH9uvar001101 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH9u4Sr062835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9ttXa047220; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9tqfR047194 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 24E63262866 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c5eb5d$1392f090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: It requires that you have the patterns books off cause, a computer and a drawingprogram like for instance Corel Draw. You can scan in the pattern you want, open it in your drawing program. Meassure a point of yourself where you want the pattern to be the same meassure. Take for instance your bodice side meassure. Find the bodice side meassure in the book. You then have that your own bodice side is, say (30cm.) The meassure of the pattern side bodice is ( 2,8cm) Now you devide 30 with 2,8 cm wich is 10,714 This means that you have to enlarge your pattern 1071,4 % In the drawing programme there is a tab where you can resamble your pattern. Place in 1071,4 % and it will enlarge your pattern in the meassures you want. My drawing program also can print out the whole pattern in A4 papers. It can tile the big picture and print out all the pattern parts. This gives you an excakt print of the book pattern. I often use this method when i make new corsets. You have to work on this original pattern to fit your own body off cause, but that you also have to do with finished cut out patterns. I know that the skirts are huge to print out, but you could use it to get the right bodice construktion. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? > hello to the list, I know we discussed this pattern when it first came > out, but I was wondering if anybody has actually looked at it and worked > out if it's designed to be worn over the corset (the pictures on the > website aren't clear)? If the bodice is cut to be worn over a cone shaped > foundation it could be really useful as a base for several time periods. > Whilst the skirt may not be to everyone's taste a bodice that's already > got the period silhouette right without needing to get rid of the curved > princess seams could be a valuable pattern to have, and certainly a much > better starting point for beginners than the ones designed to be worn over > a bra. Obviously the back seams are in the wrong place for all the periods > I can think of but it's still a better starting point than any of the > other big 3 patterns. > I ask because I was thinking of teaching a class on removing princess > seams so people can create an Elizabethan bodice from a commercial > pattern, but if this one is already in the right shape I'd probably > recommend it as a bodice pattern. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 04:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAH9w3A0001501 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:58:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAH9vouL062924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9vnQB047863; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAH9viDw047821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-227-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.227]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAH9vgLP002813 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:57:43 +1100 Message-ID: <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:57:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C >I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th >Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh >it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my >direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays >pattern because is WAS correct in shape. > > If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you > would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do > better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, > but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without > a pattern is a petticoat!!) I have actualy sized up a pattern from Patterns of Fashion 1, the Polonaise with the back cut en fourreau (I've probably misspelt that but I don't have the book with me to check) for myself (though I did make the mistake of making the shoulders wider when I enlarged it to my measurements) but it took me a few years to work up the courage to do that. I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option. > Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern > companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was > thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might > solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in > Australia??. > > 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. > I could wait until Martha McCain does her 18th century patterns but I hoped to do this for any new members we get from the recruitment drive at the beginning of next semester (around the end of Febuary as we're about to go on Summer hollidays here). I thought that if this Butterick pattern already has a cone shaped bodice it's easier to alter that than one designed to be worn over a bra (no eliminating a curve, just eliminating one straight seam) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 05:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHA5QiL003075 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHA4rPK063675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHA4qJ1050756; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHA4lGI050719 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CAA047FE75 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003f01c5eb5e$5de79b40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Mia and others Now when i am working on an 18th century sack dress i would not mind to draw some patterns of this dress. I also have the corset pattern and the pannier. But i made this dress for a tall lady who also has a tall body, but if someone was interrested, i would not mind to draw a paper pattern to you of this. But as i think perhaps more than one would like this, i would like to have a favour in return. I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. I dont know how much such a pattern would be worth, but it would take about an hour or so to make each paper pattern. Let me know if someone was interrested, and please email me privately........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C >I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th >Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh >it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my >direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays >pattern because is WAS correct in shape. > > If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you > would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do > better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, > but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without > a pattern is a petticoat!!) > > Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern > companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was > thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might > solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in > Australia??. > > 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 06:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHBbVdf022070 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHBahe3078239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBadmw085335; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBaacX085302 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.239]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C0F826286F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:36:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:36:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures of the stays starts. I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 06:45:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHBjG61025205 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHBhWJl079880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBhVIZ088050; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHBhPc1088012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-227-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.227]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAHBhMwr011639 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:43:24 +1100 Message-ID: <006801c5eb6c$1be44ff0$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00b501c5eaa9$cd70edf0$bfd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <002601c5eb5d$1392f090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:43:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? > Hi Elizabeth, > I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. > But why dont you do like this: Bjarne, Thanks for the advice, but I was not planning to use this pattern for myself. It's for a class I was planning to teach for new costumers. I'm in the SCA (a medieval and renaissance group) I was going to try to teach some newcomers that there is a middle ground between drafting your own patterns (or buying expensive patterns from a small pattern company) and using a major commercial pattern as it is (which produces the wrong shape). I thought some of them might appreciate something other than the basic tunic that SCA people usually teach newcomers to make (e.g. http://www.sca.org.au/politarchopolis/library/tunic.php or the more period way http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html which is becoming more popular all the time) My original plan was to base this class on how to turn Simplicity's version of the costumes from the Movie "Shakespeare in Love" (I've even written a webpage on it http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html) into a more accurate 16th century gown. Then it occoured to me that if I used a pattern with the right basic shape I wouldn't have to modify the bodice as much (though it would obviously still need some changes), given that Butterick has also released an 18th cenutry stays pattern I thought that this bodice might be designed to be worn over those stays instead of modern underwear like all the other major commercial patterns. I will hang onto your advice, for enlarging using drawing software, but I don't have a scanner so for now I'm going to have to do it by hand (I've done it successfully for one polonaise gown from Patterns of Fashion1 and one 1850s corset from Corsets and Crinolines). Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 07:19:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHCJO2W032736 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHCIrcB088823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHCIpra002729; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHCImHs002681 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 13743 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 12:18:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T4i0IA9KGUKFd6x+1ACaFtpQnSj5VmUR68gnvp5gInbEFNlW8BRlnDyuvBzaGpdRPqKlW0fLIPxxUq78TBN1GJjDf1OkibhtkxNNngURVCwmpan40Bg3xAB8eFu8IW2UQwb9fQQvrX1e3QQBhisyPZ7wCCUGnNxTOT3QLAT1jLc= ; Message-ID: <20051117121843.13741.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.81.245.242] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:18:43 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe the cheaper of the two was used to make favors for our shire. One of the members made several more for the ladies to use at 1/2 the cost. Mostly what they were used for was making cording for jewelery. Brin Kendall Lauren Walker wrote: Hi, Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the "Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, too. Has anybody played with these toys? The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info would be appreciated. Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 09:31:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHEV7lW002612 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHEUMKB099272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:30:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHETvBM063016; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHETsap062948 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4740 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 14:29:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dm7oQ8zEYzgROJMRm2HRNFpu6VzFK+/7X6KlFkYC2VPzIKudbqEJQi6t5JN1IoDEs/9L9qs533JwfMjSBNw4uiOA0dRyerjF/4SnpMyHft6bjDx6wvzBKEkh+5+UIoQF1UHfp5qiDVLon9lLSH8RSoFNIuiFKMuV8YSEZDVgplY= ; Message-ID: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:29:48 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171005.jAHA4srR050767@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just looked at my cut out pattern for the butterick stays, the very next project (well maybe, or maybe a new 18c fancy pants waistcoat for my husbands birthday, and finish my...) The shape of these stays is not the classic ice cream cone shape of the middle 18c years (ala J.P. Ryan's patterns) It is more of the ...latter years shape kind of like that champagne saucer glass, smaller waist, bigger bosom, but more flaired. Pardon my description, I know it's not very good. And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a passed over project. 18c Mia in CHarlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFQSu4003425 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFP8hC005098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFP6Aj096886; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFP1vE096758 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21c.3092172 (4340) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.3092172.30adfac6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:24:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:58:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option. **************************** I use commercial "fitting shells" all the time to get shoulder slopes and neck curves and stuff like that. There's no need to start with a "costume" pattern. Start with what we use to draft up in school from measurements... a "sloper". But why draft it up when all the major pattern companies have done it for you...or the "fitting shell". [they usually have 1960s darting to fit the front...y'know, a dart under the bust and one on the side.] As far princess line patterns... an 18th century open robe with a stomacher shouldn't be too hard to tweak from one. But forget the costume pattern and start with the simplest princess line dress you can. And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if things are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! {and of course an 18th century bodice isn't ever gonna fit right w/out the corset under it.] Boy is that Butterick pattern a laugh riot! Yuk! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFX32Y003518 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFWRU2005931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFWIIU002360; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFWEhb002256 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20f.e93f87b (4340) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20f.e93f87b.30adfc70@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:32:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:25:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if things are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! ***************** That should read: A garment still has to be fitted so if things are NOT just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! Nothing like saying the exact opposite of what you mean! :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:49:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFnVZu003735 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFn2GP008179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFn1iX014056; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFmupw014018 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.63]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF7C026282B for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:48:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:48:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anne Buck X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi I remember i had this book of Anne Buck. Is this the book thar has a large colour photo of a yellow francaise dress with lots of gathered decorations on it? I think it has silver edged to the fabric trim. I really mis that book, and wondered is it still available today. Once many years ago when i couldnt find a job with my costuming, i got so mad that i sold all my costume books. I have collected back most of them, but this is one of those i never got again. What a mad thing to do, but i did! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 10:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHFo5Mh003738 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHFnisa008268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFngPp014507; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHFnb78014399 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F043A1F8 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:49:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437CA68F.7020804@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:49:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C References: <20051116201824.92812.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001401c5eb5d$587dea20$e3d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed > at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA > group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial > pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th > century bodice without princess seams I would suggest Butterick 3071 or 6196 then. I've adapted both of those. Or 4154, which has a sleeve. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 11:04:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHG4HWN003921 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHG2dft010676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHG2aWI024643; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHG2WGB024575 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2473f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.63]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DE8347FE2B for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 12:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHHSeCV005151 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHHS0Jj022028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHHRurO094658; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHHRqMp094569 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289F1319C1E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:27:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:27:50 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays References: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051117172747.289F1319C1E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I made the stay's and find them comfortable. I changed the angle of the front straps and the placing of the boning. The boning is plastic. You can see pictures of it here, http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 15:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHKIKAw007700 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHKHdqM046972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHKHPWn036036; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHKHF0P035857 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9164 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 20:17:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CIo5lOcSfeyTA41pO/7JT2jOz7Cs+jpnlWHv7sg/et19hSs9w6jEKc7oSX2yHBL+bJfzBOoCTPRawW1AMrFs2S28EtGeQlQZcffrHAS2sG4xxpYUZb26KdM/08Hl0hZQ5hCuxmbJ2fizPI6dUo0qTQTdiVNa4rW5xpqBVoldZBA= ; Message-ID: <20051117201710.9162.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:17:10 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171901.jAHJ0ZSW072545@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Eterna Silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Did you see that contest that they're running? The money prizez are not that spectacular, but They are giving winners large collections of their silk thread. And ANY of your things are as good, if not better that the things that won prizes. Your work snow off thier product very nicely Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL2iXf008453 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL2CHV053331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL29Hn071793; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHGDst0033848 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56150 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2005 16:13:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=521JrV0jRskA/f6rWBHeZP1XZLR+C/k05Vx4AytcGdjYwOhoCwMBkO+2A5l38PdiEIbgfePF/PsOWf2Lmn//koZQDjCaUrfU9lDSRceOM7sKVC+TGllZlfKO+9vZ/0rSnkD1tptULxGX4tADSe9FDqC02/s5TevH7ernDYZEwSI= ; Message-ID: <20051117161347.56148.qmail@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:13:46 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Probably... Meant to send this out a couple of days ago as a reference for us new folk :) http://tinyurl.com/7l65z It's a list of books that I felt most people would like to have as a reference guide. Good luck Bjarne and I hope you come accross a copy of Ann's book soon. Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL5SGq008497 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL57kd053738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL53pj074140; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGQigx044137 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FFB3CE8E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437CAF39.3070809@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:26:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the > prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 > pounds. Is this because they are used books? You're talking about "Dress in Eighteenth Century England" ? Amazon.com (US site) has it for $39, which should be a lot less than 32 Euro. It looks very much out of print, so yes, those would be used copies, although it looks like some are more used than others. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:06:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL5x12008504 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL5Rn4053797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL5Q0x074462; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAHGXhqN049977 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 27635 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2005 08:32:54 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 27611, pid: 27612, t: 2.3460s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 17 Nov 2005 08:32:51 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051117082712.030c8070@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:33:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck In-Reply-To: <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c5eb8e$6d5fde90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000701c5eb90$53e34b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:02 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of >the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another >price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? > >Bjarne Are you are looking for "Dress in Eighteenth Century England"? The most expensive copy listed on Amazon (USA) is $50 USD; the least expensive is $39.52. I don't know what the shipping cost would be, but it should not be too high. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/0841905177/ref=dp_olp_2//103-8085395-7349433?condition=all Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:06:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL69je008508 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:06:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL5Zji053829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL5ZvM074552; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGZgoF051474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id 161bc734.1165376432.77669.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) Thread-Index: AcXrXoWgGq12STBqTxiaLhQybJU7bgANe2uA From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 16:35:33.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE1AFB40:01C5EB94] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=50% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAHGZgoF051474 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne wrote: I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. ********************************************** And I, being curious, checked out their website: http://www.eternasilk.com/ WOW! Be sure to check out the designer showcase, it's way cool! Kate McClure Who really doesn't need more floss, but that's never stopped me before . . . ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 16:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHL9rrH008638 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHL4Yk2053589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHL4Dbn073454; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHGETk9034407 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id jAHGESt0020058 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from UROPORTABLE (dhcp073132.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id jAHGERSG001196 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004e01c5eb91$fc5596a0$84496b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: References: <200511171005.jAHA4srR050767@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:14:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO this was an interesting site but very Anglo-centric. Some American museum curator needs to chime in with the American terms for many of those items. For instance: the British term "braces" for men's suspenders was there and the British term "Suspender belt" was there for a woman's garter belt. Both things that most Americans would need a translator for (and who knows what English as a Second Language speakers would need). Anyone with good language skills and time on their hands could probably give them some input for American costume vocabulary. 6. FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume > (david webb) -------------------------- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:47 -0500 > From: david webb > Subject: [h-cost] FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing > Costume > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <4.3.0.20051116184713.00c86f00@pop.vaxxine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I wondered if others might find this interesting: > > http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbt00e.htm > > Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume, ICOM International > Committee for the Museums and Collections of Costume > > It's broken down by men's and women's clothing, etc. and includes basic > line drawings. A bit basic, but if your mind goes blank trying to think of > a clothing term, it could be useful sometime. > > Sheridan Alder > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 17:53:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHMrZSc010516 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHMqn4R068843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHMptFZ059214; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHMpnIA059144 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SCLARK935@AUSTIN.RR.COM) Received: from hewlettt06rp0e (cpe-66-68-106-63.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.106.63]) by ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jAHMpjB2004812 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:51:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00b301c5ebc9$a618bc80$3f6a4442@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:52:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As always, just incredible! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] chemise > Hi, > Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the > neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. > Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures > of the stays starts. > I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I > scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the > zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be > attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 18:56:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAHNuwLt011410 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAHNuJgM076730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHNuDlw005603; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAHNu8lr005496 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: <437D1906.7070803@msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:57:58 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000003080107090102090003" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 23:56:02.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[7756BD80:01C5EBD2] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000003080107090102090003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to see if I can find out anything more. Sg --------------000003080107090102090003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------000003080107090102090003-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 19:09:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI09Rnl011601 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI08rhZ077954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI08pAm013795; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI08ine013644 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: <437D1BFA.60908@msn.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:10:34 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 00:08:38.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[39EA2ED0:01C5EBD4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Duh....I guess I should remember the email list doesn't accept attachments. It looks like I will have to write the Manchester museum via snail mail....they don't accept email inquiries. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum > to see if I can find out anything more. > > Sg > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Laraine Ansley wrote: > > > Hi there, The museum is: The Gallery of English Costume, Platt Fields, Manchester. It is open to the public but you may have to ring first as Manchester have reduced some opening times and you need to check. Information about the gallery should be accessible via the Manchester Art Galleries website. If you have problems getting in touch, come back to me and I'll find you other info. We saw some photos of the bodice at our meeting in Settle but we do not have the copyright on the pictures so have nothing on our website yet. It is a very attractive piece and quite unique. We ought to be able to do something about pictures once the conservation has been done, I think. */"Saragrace T. Knauf" /* wrote: Hello, I was reading on your website about this bodice: http://www.nsct.fsnet.co.uk/20050924.html Can you tell me what museum in Manchester has this bodice? There are a number of folks on a historic costume email list who have just heard about it and would love to see some photos. Any information on where it will be exhibited would also be appreciated. Thanks, Saragrace Knauf Best wishes, Rae _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 19:21:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI0LXsL011757 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI0LD4U079528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI0LA97021488; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI0L6l7021426 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.d88f955 (4426) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1fd.d88f955.30ae7868@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:20:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the ones on my wish list - and that I use at the local library till I get it! Amazon UK has two - priced at 32 (gbp*) and 70+ (gbp*) Paul Meekins the bookseller has a copy listed at 55 (gbp) Is very out of print, being from around 25 years ago. Price probably depends on condition, and whether the seller knows what it's worth or not. Ebay's worth keeping an eye on, too, alhtough it doesn't have a copy right now. Debs PS sorry about the 'gbp' thing - US configured keyboard won't do pound sign > :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 17 20:47:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI1lrDP013402 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI1lS6N087381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI1lMjQ067244; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI1lI4n067183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI3LDa7015322 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:21:14 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:49:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051117142948.4738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511172049.26543.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 November 2005 9:29 am, Mia Dappert wrote: [snip] > And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, > and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta > Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th > Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of > Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and > white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and > more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a > little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find > the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a > passed over project. Sounds charming! I hope to see a picture of it sometime. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI77BpZ020118 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI76fSx013048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI76bRg005577; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI76Xmp005550 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D6B1161A for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:06:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:53:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bu p> References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >And I, being curious, checked out their website: >http://www.eternasilk.com/ > >WOW! Of course, the closest dealer is 2+ hours from me. Why this city isn't considered big enough for nice companies, I don't know. We are just getting a Pottery Barn, for goodness sake. Kimiko Feeling grumpy about having to always buy things online if I want nice stuff to play with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7MeDc023879 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7MOw1013940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7MKOp010913; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAI7MIc0010869 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 88780 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 07:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PPq5K6MV9KS/XcV1P7Cva0LKQb+3OohvdNM5ySPexrEn/9R99CNQ40HcKyTLpVt1N/y7/0IT9eM9f6PjdoI04hvYbcNRAF7Kft+vBTA3+mmJWJXY3apvgAWyJxb7mW3zBWKm4msNGpPHmFfsivVSUDBz6VnyaR+T+erBXJXXoQY= ; Message-ID: <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:12 EST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511171004.jAHA4srP050767@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, I am working with Raymond's Quiet Press on this one. When I get the condition report and obverse photo from Anglesey House, he'll be better able to decide if he wishes to pursue making it. I on the other hand am working on getting the book this item is featured in, hopefully it has some dimensional information in it. Hopefully they have already sent me the file photo they promised. Once I have enough source material I can draw out a full scale cartoon of the embroidery. I can forward that over to you once I have finished with it, along with yardage requirements. Busy, busy busy... :-) Kathy > Oooh, if so, please let us know who that metalsmith > is. My husband needs a > garter of that order for his Elizabethan character > (George Clifford, Earl > of Cumberland). > > And thanks for sharing. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:28:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7SO2k025237 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:28:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7Ruet014245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7RtFx012813; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7Rq5d012776 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803F85D482 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:27:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051117232507.035ec038@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:27:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] chemise In-Reply-To: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c5eb6b$2d1c3ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love it, I love it all. You are so very talented, and very inspirational. I love the red corset with the ribbons over the seams. It just makes it so much more elegant and yummy. Someday I hope to achieve what you do... when I have time away from little babies. Thanks for sharing your work again. Kimiko At 03:36 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the >neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. >Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures >of the stays starts. >I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I >scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the >zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be >attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.......... >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 02:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAI7ZFqs026918 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAI7OkAC014082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAI7OkU3011764; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAI7OiGn011727 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 5967 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 07:24:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a7EpvXy4QJBtKA56GCcwlCucGAMCXfTzyMDVtbt6WHv+WTiw8w1zQDfu/yOpO4qm9on4u+4Xwp4Ifq8PttyvgNu7F24g0k3wC5y+QtVXbcqrPa3y0TAIJxht5/SL2WUw6ds/qtnoGFLs4WZ8N/iFjBRHKnW9IJwpK9mzW1U9Zjg= ; Message-ID: <20051118072438.5965.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:24:38 EST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Order of the Garter.... Garter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This book is the one it was featured in: V&A Museum's catalogue ' Gothic - Art for England 1400-1547' Cat 81. ISBN 1851774017. If anyone has it on hand... can you check and see if it's of any use to me? otherwise I'll just wait till the book comes in on ILL. :-) Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 11:08:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIG8X8Z028376 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:08:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIG7uAN081400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIG7m1l054333; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIDvQ5A073481 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m190.in-tch.com [216.166.191.190]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAIDnxk19622 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:50:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:04:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not getting any sympathy from me! ;o) I live in an entire state that's not big enough (population wise) for most nice companies, or restaurants. I don't know that we've got a Pottery Barn anywhere in Montana.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) > At 08:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: > >And I, being curious, checked out their website: > >http://www.eternasilk.com/ > > > >WOW! > > > Of course, the closest dealer is 2+ hours from me. Why this city isn't > considered big enough for nice companies, I don't know. We are just getting > a Pottery Barn, for goodness sake. > > Kimiko > Feeling grumpy about having to always buy things online if I want nice > stuff to play with. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 11:55:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIGtVvS029562 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:55:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIGs6Zo087006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIGrpqv090555; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50215.mail.yahoo.com (web50215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAIGrnSa090446 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44133 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2005 16:53:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GECnYOj+SwbHdw2TRM/fAFBg+7Rrxqpu2nPw1Kmj7QRRAwXFCqX71OJOf4hGBcOIaNtc6t8SWZK3m0GjL3x2iYF3gJbCreRVruG674xq4uzyl6X/XMW10wxG+Z5aeAaiq5O1yIKx1yoTsaUBVFweCmIA2aQKQDM6Z1cqtmAFQ30= ; Message-ID: <20051118165343.44131.qmail@web50215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.9.138] by web50215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:53:43 PST Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] costume dvds for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm clearing out again and have 4 more dvds for sale, $35 plus your choice of postage: Lady Chatterley - BBC, 2 discs, all 4 episodes, Sean Bean, Joely Richardson Barchester Chronicles - BBC, 2 discs, all 7 episodes, Alan Rickman is THE Obadiah Slope Swept from the Sea - Joseph Conrad's story "Amy Foster," Vincent Perez Joseph Andrews - Peter Firth, Ann-Margret If you have questions or want to buy, please email me off list at jmr779@alltel.net Melissa Roberts __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 12:09:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIH9Nwg029889 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:09:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIH8df5088805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIH8avi002416; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIH8UDf002224 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.226.1b68262 (4402) for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <226.1b68262.30af6478@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:08:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume dvds for sale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/18/2005 11:54:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmhr3@yahoo.com writes: Joseph Andrews - Peter Firth, Ann-Margret ****************** official name-drop! Hey, I made costumes for Ann-Margret...for the miniseries "Queen". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 15:11:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIKBmEr004745 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:11:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIK5s8U014457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIK5k5R046101; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIK5clp045972 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2472c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.44]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75615262873 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:05:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c5ec7b$7f028010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:05:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Saragrace Perhaps i missed the thread. Did you find out that that beaded 17th century bodice was in the collektion of Manchester Museum? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find] > There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to > see if I can find out anything more. > > Sg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILDUao006322 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILCrIj023415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILCgn1098648; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21PlpN087960 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so30662wxc for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c3YCIiZUZN+WSv7lKb5IPeuZj5vBfMxCsTmO8+KQ7KIwYLtWoKMRj9ChQgXIZb3wiX3t406VRjGyBaGmzDw/9Y00BbHIqHsZxTuTm0jPHclHnh8IrRKSwSU3yopDo2X3vWZCg3+2bMj6Bu1ecqqQ3by1ojhrB1L9a5phLbCnqzA= Received: by 10.65.232.19 with SMTP id j19mr1584395qbr; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:25:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:25:41 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510" References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:34 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/1/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the development > of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used in ancient times = by > shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool into garments. Other > references I have turned up give notice to tambour work, guipuire Maltese > laces and such. Is there any direct documented use of this form of lace > making in the 18th C? In any case, it seems to relate to more primitive a= nd > coarse lace work. > Comments? I'm afraid those sources aren't the best. Where they got their information doesn't hold up. However, see attachments 1, AN INTRODUCTION TO LACE by Gabrielle Pond. Scribner's, NY, 1973. p.40-41. attachment 2, LEGACY OF LACE ny Kathleen Warnick and Shirley Nilsson. Drown= , NY, 1989. p.12. and thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her father, King Henry VIII. CALENDAR OF STATE PAPERS AND MANUSCRIPTS, RELATING TO ENGLISH AFFAIRS Existing in Archives and Collections of Venice, edited bhy Rawdon Brown and Allen B. Hinds. Vol. 38. Longman & C,m Kibdibm 1864-1947. p.92 Aspasia Moonwind ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_Part_35821_2683082.1130894741510-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILDUv4006323 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILCrJk023414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILCe7Z098613; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAEHDSQT085619 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5240 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 17:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 17:13:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051114170440.01d6f520@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:13:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> References: <19d.4125e5a3.30a91ed6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_260151598==_" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:12:34 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery Opening - Press Release X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --=====================_260151598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am not sure if this will work - please bear with me - I am attaching a copy of the Museum of London's Press release on the New Medieval Gallery, to be opened at the end of this month. (My gable headdress will be available for trying on!!) Suzi --=====================_260151598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --=====================_260151598==_-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILXV3g006792 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILWlKM025655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILKlNJ004962; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILKcZ3004699 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-205.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.205]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2005 05:20:23 +0800 Message-ID: <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:27:23 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> <003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harper House? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone on this list live near Harper House? Can anyone see if they are still open? I never heard back from them after placing my last order - then I put in a query with Paypal which they did not respond to - so I got my money back today. However, I'm worried that they're not all right - and I'd hate them to get a bad reputation as I've purchased successfully from them in the past. Unfortunately both their fax and phone numbers are not working for me. Regards, Aylwen Garden http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 16:54:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAILsw5B007241 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAILrLQE027832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILrBJk028839; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAILr3tU028728 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.27]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EdEAI-0002m3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:53:02 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I may, my short FAQ file on this subject is now on the Web at: http://claning.home.igc.org/crochet.html Bonnie mentioned: >...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the >belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her >father, King Henry VIII. Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are described in the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook part of giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open hook, less than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes for sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:01:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIM1QAv007351 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIM14bv028622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIM0ugd034335; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIM0mqw034062 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsewellb@cableone.net) Received: from toshibauser (unverified [24.117.250.37]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 36584378 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c5ec8b$8138cdc0$0400a8c0@toshibauser> From: "Rebecca Brown" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net><003301c5949d$306a0d00$0301010a@michaela> <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harper House? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 46, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.250.37 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I ordered from them several months ago and just recently got a small portion of the order. Everything else was backordered. I'm afraid you may be right, there may be a problem. I hope not too. Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMiaEH008045 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:44:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMi9ev033694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhoJ1066018; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhZ3G065792 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EC5169B9 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051118143654.036c8d50@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:37:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix In-Reply-To: <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200511171004.jAHA4srP050767@net.indra.com> <20051118072212.88778.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:22 PM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko, > >I am working with Raymond's Quiet Press on this one. >When I get the condition report and obverse photo from >Anglesey House, he'll be better able to decide if he >wishes to pursue making it. >I on the other hand am working on getting the book >this item is featured in, hopefully it has some >dimensional information in it. Hopefully they have >already sent me the file photo they promised. Once I >have enough source material I can draw out a full >scale cartoon of the embroidery. I can forward that >over to you once I have finished with it, along with >yardage requirements. > >Busy, busy busy... > >Kathy Hi Kathy, I look forward to whatever you find out. Thank you. :-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:45:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMjUZw008085 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMj6AH033844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMj3RC066910; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMhZa0065793 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77195169C7 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051118143747.0369de68@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:43:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C) In-Reply-To: <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA25@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <6.2.1.2.0.20051117195217.036ca4a0@64.87.54.245> <002301c5ec48$ef3ed500$bebfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:04 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote: >Not getting any sympathy from me! ;o) I live in an entire state that's not >big enough (population wise) for most nice companies, or restaurants. I >don't know that we've got a Pottery Barn anywhere in Montana.... >--Sue Ok, you win. :-) Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 18 17:47:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAIMlQsZ008121 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAIMl65q034199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMl565068513; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAIMkvBh068307 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 6633F1800347 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:46:47 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Nov 2005 22:46:41 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D115AC6144; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:46:40 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:46:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Received: from [149.169.167.11] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:46:40 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.167.11 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051118224640.D115AC6144@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAIMkvBh068307 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I saw the subject line, I immediately thought of the dyed sheepskins that IKEA is currently selling. Most of them are colors found in nature (if not on sheep), except for the red ones. By some strange and random chance, the red ones are precisely the color of Elmo. They also have a frigteningly similar appearance. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 01:35:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJ6Z13D015656 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:35:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJ6GNOb076970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJ6GHwL090300; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJ6GExE090258 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051119061505.CTHR26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:15:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> References: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Max Callahan Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:14:43 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re:Website question about 17th century bodice find X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Duh....I guess I should remember the email list doesn't accept > attachments. > It looks like I will have to write the Manchester museum via snail > mail....they don't accept email inquiries. > > Sg >> Laraine Ansley wrote: >> > Hi there, > The museum is: > The Gallery of English Costume, Platt Fields, Manchester. > It is open to the public but you may have to ring first as Manchester > have reduced some opening times and you need to check. Information > about the gallery should be accessible via the Manchester Art > Galleries > website. If you have problems getting in touch, come back to me and > I'll find you other info. We saw some photos of the bodice at our > meeting in Settle but we do not have the copyright on the pictures so > have nothing on our website yet. It is a very attractive piece and > quite unique. We ought to be able to do something about pictures > once > the conservation has been done, I think. > > */"Saragrace T. Knauf" /* wrote: > > Hello, I was reading on your website about this bodice: > http://www.nsct.fsnet.co.uk/20050924.html > > Can you tell me what museum in Manchester has this bodice? > There are a > number of folks on a historic costume email list who have just > heard > about it and would love to see some photos. Any information on > where it > will be exhibited would also be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Saragrace Knauf > > Best wishes, > > Rae Thanks for posting that! I'm very excited now and can't wait to hear what happens with the conservation. Maybe one of you lucky people out there will get to hear about what's going on (or even get to work on it!) -dreaming of European museums now....mmmm :D Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 06:17:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJBHYqM025057 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJBGuX2013550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJBGmHr001588; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJBGjNO000912 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9918311 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb41.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437b8813.26782 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DfwmcRipdYgIAAAAB,90ddaa9f8f1a200a58715df1c5c57b6e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] Message-Id: <20051119031644.9A89D9DC@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So *that's* how you do it, Bjarne! :-> I am now not only in awe of your embroidery and costuming skills, but your computer-pattern-tweaking, too! Joannah. --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: It requires that you have the patterns books off cause, a computer and a drawingprogram like for instance Corel Draw. You can scan in the pattern you want, open it in your drawing program. Meassure a point of yourself where you want the pattern to be the same meassure. Take for instance your bodice side meassure. Find the bodice side meassure in the book. You then have that your own bodice side is, say (30cm.) The meassure of the pattern side bodice is ( 2,8cm) Now you devide 30 with 2,8 cm wich is 10,714 This means that you have to enlarge your pattern 1071,4 % In the drawing programme there is a tab where you can resamble your pattern. Place in 1071,4 % and it will enlarge your pattern in the meassures you want. My drawing program also can print out the whole pattern in A4 papers. It can tile the big picture and print out all the pattern parts. This gives you an excakt print of the book pattern. I often use this method when i make new corsets. You have to work on this original pattern to fit your own body off cause, but that you also have to do with finished cut out patterns. I know that the skirts are huge to print out, but you could use it to get the right bodice construktion. Bjarne _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJE3dMu021288 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJE31Xk024828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJE2vej066559; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJE2s81066492 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0870210; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:02:47 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Nov 05 14:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c5ed12$14760400$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051118224640.D115AC6144@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:03:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When we were in Greece in 1999, all the best fur shops were sporting these colors, I think it is amazing that it has taken this long for this style to become popular in our marketplace. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Muppet Fur > When I saw the subject line, I immediately thought of the dyed sheepskins that IKEA is currently selling. Most of them are colors found in nature (if not on sheep), except for the red ones. By some strange and random chance, the red ones are precisely the color of Elmo. They also have a frigteningly similar appearance. > > -Katie > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJELEa9021607 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJEKaEf026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKZkx074154; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKVR6074123 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 821763824 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c5ed14$66dcc380$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c5e9ea$36b99c00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about fur Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:20:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Now we are talking about fur. Yesterday they had a bargain in my Mall. I > could get a silverfox with head, legs and tails, you know how these looks > like, for a bargain. Very fine quality. > Could i use such a fox and sew on my 18th century cloak? > I would consider it a shame to remove the head, legs and tail, but would > this be period? > My cloak has a wide falling collar made of faux fur! see this for a way to use your whole fur... http://tinyurl.com/cmojc B, You'd probably have to make a new outfit to match, in a different time period---or at least a different economic strata, but it would certainly be stunning! Did you ever get a Real answer to your question? I don't know about period use of the head, legs, etc, but I think real fur would be wonderfully luxurious detail to your costume. I also think you should enter that Eterna Silk contest---it would blow the doors off the current and past entries! Denise in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 09:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJELE81021606 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJEKXuF026086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKTYP074102; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEKPeV074030 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ool-4354b303.dyn.optonline.net [67.84.179.3]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQ7005ICH5UN3N8@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:20:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:20:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth Western Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harper House? In-reply-to: <437E473B.6030001@earthlydelights.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Harper House? Thread-index: AcXtFF+pnf0gnlkHEdqx0gAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Aylwen, I too had had a little problem with them last year, got my money back with an apology. From what I understand from people over on the S&S message board, the owners husband is ill and she is dealing with those issues. Elizabeth On 11/18/05 4:27 PM, "A & J Garden" wrote: > Does anyone on this list live near Harper House? Can anyone see if they > are still open? I never heard back from them after placing my last order > - then I put in a query with Paypal which they did not respond to - so I > got my money back today. However, I'm worried that they're not all right > - and I'd hate them to get a bad reputation as I've purchased > successfully from them in the past. Unfortunately both their fax and > phone numbers are not working for me. > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > http://stores.ebay.com.au/Earthly-Delights > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 11:22:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJGMaR9023674 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJGLOjg035421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJGLKuM028167; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJEcf3U083021 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAJEVf8g000629 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:37 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:21:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511181906.jAIJ6mMa001052@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pottery barn (was eterna silk) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Come on guys, Pottery Barn isn't all that it's cracked up to be, unless you like pretty but overpriced things. Now I am lucky in that there is a Pottery Barn factory outlet about an hour and half away. Most of the stuff is STILL overpriced, even the damaged stuff. But if you're not picky they always have some give-aways. I got a great kitchen clock there for $15, and a $95 kitchen garbage can (like I would pay nearly $100 for my garbage!) for $30. I have just been to the Frontgate/Ballard Design outlet that's in a suburb about 40 miles away. Makes the Pottery Barn outlet look cheap. Stuff that was seriously damaged was STILL hundreds of dollars! Obviously I am not the target market for these stores. I like nice things, and well-designed things. But if I bought that kind of stuff, I wouldn't have anything left over for books and fabric! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 11:27:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJGRiFf023765 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJGMFNR035516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJGMGtS028598; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJF63dF096125 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r21so766537wxc for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ManUR8k9kgP8+NWkEMwmX9t7qE6+nrGUQIfEyAVq5hnM44tMXWkb1ZbTVMkxvEgRG1yCfm+zL7wUKMU4Hr/oJbGHd+f+NSfJRZr63VSNwYWIJZVupz+6LDCMr7bJx1k3Is4+2YT7fn1vRotngJKS8kW/Qyp4WlYMYsTBGsNZNE8= Received: by 10.65.250.10 with SMTP id c10mr1010037qbs; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:05:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:05:59 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAJGRiFf023765 Status: RO > > > Bonnie mentioned: > >...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the > >belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court of her > >father, King Henry VIII. > > Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are described in > the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook part of > giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open hook, less > than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes for > sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. > > I differ with you, but not being able to time travel, neither of us can > present definitive proof. There is clearly lace on the collars, cuffs, and > headpieces of the time. Also what looks to be lace on the passements that > time and before. It may or may not be. This does not pass away the > "crochets" part of the listing nor why it is listed in conjunction with the > hooks. Some people have also said it is buttoning hooks. Crochets could be > anything from heavy yarns for bedhangings to decorative fine lace. There was > also mentions of Elizabeth being fond of her fine chain headpieces. Again, > may or may not be. There is no conclusive evidence either way. It seems to > be too much circumstansal evidence to say nay. > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 12:30:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJHURbZ024859 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJHTMdK041063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJHT9xk059815; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJHT6u1059669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EdWW7-0002iW-LS; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 Message-ID: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:28:47 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? I'm not having any luck finding it. The gist was that if you just made the "standard" 4-panel gown with skirt gores, the shoulder seams would be down somewhere around your elbows because that's how wide the fabric would have to be to go around the bust. Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 14:02:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJJ244U026344 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJJ1fEV049989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJJ1O3J003413; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJJ1Kd3003337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAJIrifN008675 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:53:44 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <437F767D.7090602@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:01:17 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic References: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar > construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. > There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the > armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the > extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? Yep. The idea which someone had, and found gave good results, had trapezoid-shaped panels under the arms. The regular start-at-the-waist godets were put in those in addition. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Must Die" law was approved by Congress today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 16:03:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAJL3twA028235 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAJL3OUs062967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL3AI2054991; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL361Q054966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-243.sonic.net [209.148.114.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAJL35bd004583 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:06 -0800 Message-ID: <437F930C.80903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:08 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Leather and Socks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to everyone for the info on leather dyeing, which I have not had time to implement this. BTW, I just discovered the Bureau of Missing Socks: http://www.funbureau.com/ which "explores all aspects of the phenomena including the occult, conspiracy theories, and extraterrestrial" and the formation of the Bureau beginning in the American Civil War: http://www.funbureau.com/history.html Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 19:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK0LGnH031452 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:21:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK0KgmR087496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK0Kckm034561; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK0KYdM034524 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m122.in-tch.com [216.166.191.122]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAK0D6k22402 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:13:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000e01c5ed69$26d6fda0$7abfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051119112847.qcmay2s0hdi8o44g@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:27:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm very large, even by American standards ;o), and significantly well-endowed, as well (a problematice issue even at lower weights), and I do just fine with a standard 4-panel gown, if you're talking basic 14th century fitted gown. (Robin could verify this...she's actually fitted me at a workshop, bless her heart! ;o) But then, for this sort of garment, you've got the inset sleeve and all, so there really isn't any extra fabric in the shoulder area. Where I *have* run into exactly that, though, is with less, uhm, fitted articles of clothing? Tee-tunics and their various versions are probably the most obvious. I also experience it with underclothing along the lines of 18th-century shifts, or the fairly body-skimming shifts one would wear under a Tudor gown or 16th c. Flemish outfit. When I make those, I take a wedge of fabric off either shoulder--like double-pointed triangles, like this: |\ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ ------ | / | / | / | / | / | / |/ The horizontal dashed line is the shoulder line. I just taper the rest of the cutout down to below my bust. When completed, you really can't see that there's fabric missing, it's only when you lay it flat, and really look, that it becomes apparent. I've never done one of the Greenland-style gowns with the extra, gores of fabric running from the armpit area to the hem, although I'm planning on doing something *like* that to make myself a couple of Norse aprons. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Costume List" Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: [h-cost] rectangular construction tunic > It was on one of my garb lists that we were discussing rectanguolar > construction techniques for making a gown for a large busted woman. > There were extra gores down the sides (at least from the bottom of the > armsye to the waist) in addition to the skirt gores to allow for the > extra flesh. Does anybody remember that thread? I'm not having any > luck finding it. > > The gist was that if you just made the "standard" 4-panel gown with > skirt gores, the shoulder seams would be down somewhere around your > elbows because that's how wide the fabric would have to be to go around > the bust. > > Thanks, > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 21:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK2Ra78000763 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK2R4PF097159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK2QxR3080137; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK2QtAs080089 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OJc4JMuNqGX7t2rjM+PGrp3ZYtI3Vg9An1S5TuYdgAWWpvKBXEflpHKVrWgqiUf2; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.169.117] (helo=[10.0.1.6]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Edeur-0003Kd-Vs for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:26:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:26:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4781fc177a00eba3cd14bade995ebf19641a64863266557c793350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.169.117 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Nov 19, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bonnie Booker wrote: >> >> >> Bonnie mentioned: >> >>> ...thousands of "hooks and crochets" listed in the inventory of the >>> belongings of Queen Mary I of England when returning to the court >>> of her >>> father, King Henry VIII. >>> >> >> Yes, but from the surviving specimens and the way they are >> described in >> the inventories, these are clearly "dress hooks" (imagine the hook >> part of >> giant hook-and-eye fasteners). They have a semi-circular open >> hook, less >> than 1 inch of shaft, and end with a flat plate pierced with holes >> for >> sewing onto the garment. They would be impossible to use as tools. >> (I think this is Bonnie again, despite the quote-layering) >> I differ with you, but not being able to time travel, neither of >> us can >> present definitive proof. There is clearly lace on the collars, >> cuffs, and >> headpieces of the time. Also what looks to be lace on the >> passements that >> time and before. It may or may not be. This does not pass away the >> "crochets" part of the listing nor why it is listed in conjunction >> with the >> hooks. Some people have also said it is buttoning hooks. Crochets >> could be >> anything from heavy yarns for bedhangings to decorative fine lace. >> There was >> also mentions of Elizabeth being fond of her fine chain >> headpieces. Again, >> may or may not be. There is no conclusive evidence either way. It >> seems to >> be too much circumstansal evidence to say nay. Keep in mind that the word "crochet" originally simply means "hook" -- before the use of the word for a specific type of thread-work, the phrase "hooks and crochets" would simply mean "hooks, and hooks-by- another-name". There's no historic context for considering that the phrase in a 16th c. document can only mean "hooks and threadwork made with a hook". Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 19 23:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAK43Mgm002335 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAK42o5d006128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK42bQc010303; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAK42Xax010246 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:02:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4B43A1E7 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:02:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <437FF55C.8030906@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:02:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saw it this evening, and I liked it very much. I thought it was very well made, and in some ways even better than the last version with Colin Firth, although Kiera Knightly's hair bothered me. The costuming all had that 'real clothing' feel that 'Persuasion' had, which I liked, too. I recommend the movie, even if you've heard bad things about it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 10:55:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKFtXPH027633 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKFrpOc081550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKFrjYd051851; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKFreBU051819 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.26.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.26] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EdrVa-0006uX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <43809B37.10503@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet References: <6311901.1132350782810.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > Keep in mind that the word "crochet" originally simply means "hook" -- > before the use of the word for a specific type of thread-work, the > phrase "hooks and crochets" would simply mean "hooks, and hooks-by- > another-name". There's no historic context for considering that the > phrase in a 16th c. document can only mean "hooks and threadwork made > with a hook". Plus the mentions of these items in other accounts puts them in a category separate from clothing items. Hookes and crotchettes are listed with chests, sacks, hammers, and coal baskets. Hookes and eyes are listed with thread and textiles. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 11:07:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKG7QZ6027860 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKG72i5082690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKG701a057224; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKG6vPs057137 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.46979b33 (4362) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:06:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: even if you've heard bad things about it. The main commentary I hear about it is it has more of a Wuthering Heights feel...y'know, more romantic than classical....more Bronte than Austin. But that's OK really. There's room for that. And now we have this one AND the Colin Firth one, so no harm done. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:09:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJ9SJE031835 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJ8jgl098996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJ8cQW033683; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJ8Yvp033656 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EduYD-000DeO-7O for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:07:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie References: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e8.46979b33.30b1f91a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$I2N+NFz4zNQeF4tpBhTWmM$iK>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote > >In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dawn@reddawn.net writes: > >even if you've heard bad things about it. > >The main commentary I hear about it is it has more of a Wuthering Heights >feel...y'know, more romantic than classical....more Bronte than Austin. But >that's OK really. There's room for that. And now we have this one AND >the Colin >Firth one, so no harm done. There is a point, when Lizzie is in Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle, where she stands on a hilltop with her skirt blowing out behind her - I leaned over to the friend I was with and asked "Is that the definition of "wuthering""? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJiQ7c032452 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:44:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJi5YG001572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJi42o048104; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kcout03.prserv.net (kcout03.prserv.net [12.154.55.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJi1hD048047 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:44:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@attglobal.net) Received: from [12.65.174.197] (slip-12-65-174-197.mis.prserv.net[12.65.174.197](untrusted sender)) by prserv.net (kcout03) with SMTP id <2005112019434820300lv22he>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:43:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.65.174.197] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:48:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? From: Donna Franke To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXuC112nAF38ln+EdqaigANk2wGSA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My dress form is wearing a bodice for an Italian Renaissance gown. In particular Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni. I realized that I had make this when I discovered that I had green wool and yellow polished cotton that matched the dress. My first time making an Italian Renaissance outfit. I'm getting good practice draping the pattern. Donna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 14:50:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKJo92G032534 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:50:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKJnJhK001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJnJm8050249; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKJnDTI050188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAKJfXfN023389 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:41:33 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:41:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4380D335.5050100@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:49:09 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine is wearing a plastic bag poncho. Mostly I've been sewing for the kids, who are relatively easy to fit (they're almost 4) although I did make a poly-fleece coif for my mother, who complains of chills in the winter. It's in violent rainbow patterns, to dispell any Victorian Grandmother with lappets images! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Must Die" law was approved by Congress today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 18:44:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAKNiiSi005315 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAKNiARe021032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKNi69W049927; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAKNi25p049873 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQA00K531X6AB13@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:43:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:43:51 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Donna-- Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni) I don't think I am familiar with it. Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Donna Franke Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? My dress form is wearing a bodice for an Italian Renaissance gown. In particular Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni. I realized that I had make this when I discovered that I had green wool and yellow polished cotton that matched the dress. My first time making an Italian Renaissance outfit. I'm getting good practice draping the pattern. Donna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 19:01:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL01986005574 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL00iPo022293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL008fY056418; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kcout02.prserv.net (kcout02.prserv.net [12.154.55.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL003cI056329 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@attglobal.net) Received: from [12.65.114.244] (slip-12-65-114-244.mis.prserv.net[12.65.114.244](untrusted sender)) by prserv.net (kcout02) with SMTP id <2005112023595520200r1ab2e>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:59:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.65.114.244] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:04:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? From: Donna Franke To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcXuLyYZZNo/z1oiEdqaigANk2wGSA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Catriona, You can find it here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html Helen On 11/20/05 3:43 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. > > Thanks! > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 19:06:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL06bng005667 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL06MWM022735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL06MnC059154; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL06Idf059090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EdzC3-0000qj-GW; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 Message-ID: <20051120180559.k7s0utypmu8googo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:05:59 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. I've got black velvet and gold silk to make one out of. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor31.html Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 20:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL1OtY2007039 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL1ORs5031354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL1OOAR093554; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL1OL89093499 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.268.1e1628 (4214) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <268.1e1628.30b27bba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:24:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saw it Friday. It's great, and visually stunning. We get some fun new costumes with the girls from Beauxbatons and the guys from Durmstrang, and, of course, the formal robes for the Yule Ball. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 22:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL3W4p8008983 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:32:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL3VZuZ046630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL3VTu7046238; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL3VP9W046178 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQA00DJ1CG3QXZG@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:31:13 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Helen! I know that picture as the "Woman in the Green Dress". I am glad that I can give it a name a little less vague. Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Donna Franke Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? Hi Catriona, You can find it here: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/portfolio.html Helen On 11/20/05 3:43 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > > Hi Donna-- > > Do you have a photo link for the painting? (Bronzino's A Daughter of Matteo > Sofferoni) > > I don't think I am familiar with it. > > Thanks! > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 20 23:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL4pdfn010157 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL4pF7i056434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL4pAwF081650; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL4p6t4081611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-137-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.137]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAL4p3gf018525 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:51:05 +1100 Message-ID: <000d01c5ee57$2e346bc0$89dbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:51:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] somewhat OT 18th century pocket watches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was just looking for pocket watches on ebay (as they are less jarring than a wrist watch) and I found a bunch of watches with abstract floral designs on the cover described as '18th century style' (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ANTIQUE-18-CENTURY-ARTISTIC-SILVER-POCKET-WATCH-3_W0QQitemZ5055655807QQcategoryZ398QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://snipurl.com/k39k look at the seller's other items for other slightly different designs) Does anyone know if this really is a feature of 18th centuy watches (they might mean 1800s rather than 18th century) or are they making this up to make it sound better? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 00:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAL5HDch010456 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAL5GV2M058472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL5GUZK091275; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAL5GJZL091176 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D343A1FD for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:16:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43815838.30207@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:16:40 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] playing with paper dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, this is fun, http://www.paperdolls.com/pages/dressem.htm And you can get the paper versions too. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 06:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALBIFt8023784 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALBHJZH099701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALBH1TT020557; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALBGuX9020506 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b5.122b1f (57341) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:16:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5.122b1f.30b306a0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:16:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] somewhat OT 18th century pocket watches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/20/2005 11:53:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I found a bunch of watches with abstract floral designs on the cover described as '18th century style' (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ANTIQUE-18-CENTURY-ARTISTIC-SILVER-POCKET-WATCH-3_W0QQi temZ5055655807QQcategoryZ398QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://snipurl.com/k39k look at the seller's other items for other slightly different designs) Does anyone know if this really is a feature of 18th century watches (they might mean 1800s rather than 18th century) or are they making this up to make it sound better? I thought 18th century watches didn't have covers at all, but I might be wrong. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 09:10:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALEA56d004279 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALE9KZs012329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALE97Xt092369; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALE93S5092298 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:08:57 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:08:53 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: rectangular construction tunic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Add me to the zaftig list :). And I have found the gores-under-the-arms rectuangular pattern to work very well for my figure. Depending on the fabric types, I also don't seem to have as much neck-creep-to-the-back with this pattern as I do with the basic t-tunic. I can't find the original website I found instructions for this style on but did find this russian costume website that uses essentially the same thing for a shorter under tunic/shirt: http://members.aol.com/predslava/GiliarovskaiaPatterns.html Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 09:14:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALEEOrk004429 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:14:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALEE3Hd012766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALEE3p3094637; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALEDwNU094605 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD493FF81 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb40.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.437b8813.39b7b for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DgdYlD1SdoAIAAAAB,b3b0b215329f66d5722c764941d6d2f5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband and I went to see P & P on Thursday just past. For the book that they had to compress into just over 2 hours long, they didn't do a bad job. I did like the 'hand-made' look of the clothes, the Bennet girls in particular, and overall, I found very little to pick at over the costuming. But WHY did they have to dress Keira Knightley in such generally dark, ugly colours? The messy hair thing was a bit irritating, but understandable, I guess, in view of the impression of the time and the family that the film-makers were going for. What *did* irritate me, was the disregard of the propriety / period manners / modes of conduct - Mr Bingley would NEVER have actually gone into the sickroom where a sick, unmarried, *unrelated* female guest was lying, even if she was chaperoned; to the door to inquire after the invalid, perhaps, but never actually *into* the room. And the scene on the bridge at dawn? Beautifully romantic, but even a strong-minded woman like Elizabeth would never have behaved in such a manner. It just wouldn't have happened. These two are the most glaring examples that I remember. They also were not quite successful in marrying the scriptwriter's dialogue with dialogue from the book - the difference was noticeable, from the informality of the 'modern' dialogue to suddenly having the characters speaking the original, much more formal dialogue of the book. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie ( so did my husband! ) and thought that altogether it was worth seeing, but I do think that as far as being true to the book, the 1995 BBC series was much better. My bit more than 2 cents worth. Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNIWtr003462 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNHt1v081124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNHnK4028911; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNHgZ1028752 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-164.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.164]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2005 07:15:15 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <438256A8.3020304@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:22:16 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <00cb01c594d0$38290d10$6800a8c0@Penny> In-Reply-To: <00cb01c594d0$38290d10$6800a8c0@Penny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett book on ebay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just discovered I had two copies of a Jean Hunnisett Book 1 so have just listed one on ebay. I also noticed that Amazon have listed it as out-of-print so will be very careful with my remaining copy! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6990223141 Regards, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:19:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNJtrJ003515 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNJSqJ081322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNJRe8030228; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNJN1L030188; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d147.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.148]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id jALNJNBb053493; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:19:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43820FBE.5404.5658814@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200511211900.jALJ0Sw1009309@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, just at the moment, she's down to the wire supports, having lost 1) a dry cleaners bag 2) the 1970s gauze peasant dress I use for a dust cover 3) my duct tape double shell and 4) the size 6? original molded form. But tomorrow, ah tomorrow...my mother's wedding dress from 1955 - with all 3 tiers of lace and tulle over heavy satin, silver beads, pearls & iridescent sequins & more buttons down the back & sleeves than I have time to count! She'll hold it up while I coax out some of the wrinkles, and then display it at my parents 50th wedding anniversary party on Friday. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 18:30:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALNUMI0003882 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:30:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALNU1NQ083196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNTxK3039035; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jALNTrSo038933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-81-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.81]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jALNTnc1023705 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:29:50 +1100 Message-ID: <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:29:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie ( so did my husband! ) and thought > that altogether it was worth seeing, but I do think that as far as being > true to the book, the 1995 BBC series was much better. > > My bit more than 2 cents worth. > > Joannah. > I agree with the other comments that it had a bit of a Romantic/Gothic feel (IIRC it only rains once in the 1995 version it's constantly raining in this one) and the lack of propriety, in terms of costuming I noticed a lot of wandering around without hats (Mr Darcy and Lizzy were the main culprits) perhaps it's a reflection of their mental state like those 15th century pictures of Mary Magdalene in just her kirtle at the foot of the cross ;). and the bit where Lizzy is wandering about the Collins' house in her nightgown (a lot of people hesitate to do that in somebody else's house today, let alone in the 19th century). There were also a couple of points where it completely missed the point of the book, the most glaring error is dropping the Gardiners' children Mrs Bennet claims that her brother is rich with no children of his own, in the book much is made of the facts that 1. Mrs Bennet's family aren't too rich and are 'in trade' (and therefore are not really of the same social standing as Mr Bennet as a member of the landed gentry) and 2. after their Father's death the girls will have only £50 a year to live on and none of their relatives can afford to support them. If their uncle is married with no children after several years of marriage it's a safe bet that he's not going to have children of his own and he can pass his fortune onto his neices when he dies. The Bennets were depicted as not very well off (the house is falling to bits and they can apparently only afford Potatoes for dinner!) in the book they are no where near that poor, but they will be when Mr Bennet dies. The other major problem I saw was the timing of Lady Catherine's visit to tell Lizzy that she disapproves of the match. She turns up at the Bennets only a few hours after Bingley proposed to Jane having heard rumours that Darcy will propose to Lizzy, I don't understand where she would have heard such a rumour. In the book the neighbors begin speculating about Lizzy and Darcy after Jane and Bingley's engagement and so Charlotte Lucas hears the rumour from her family and Mr Collins passes the message onto Lady Catherine. I don't understand how a rumour about Lizzy and Darcy would get to Lady Catherine so quickly and the movie never explains it either. Overall the costuming was pretty good and with a couple of exceptions they got it right (better than Emma with Gwyneth Paltrow for example), I liked the way that the older women were wearing older fashions, though I think Keira Knightley could have worn something more flattering than that ubiquitous ugly green dress, she's not stupid she can see what flatters her and what doesn't, I could excuse the ugly fabric if it's supposed to be a home dress but I don't see why she would choose such an un-flattering cut. The other problem I saw was Caroline Bingley wearing a sleeveless gown at the Netherfield ball, I could kind of understand it if it was in imitation of classical draperies but it was a structured cut that just skipped the sleeves (to me it looked like they had made a petticoat out of satin). Apart from those few errors (and the lack of hats mentioned above) the costuming was done pretty well. It's an entertaining movie fairly loosely based on Jane Austen's novel, but don't expect the sort of faithful adaptation the BBC did. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 19:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM01we7004873 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:01:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM01diS087011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM01XXp061730; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM01SEQ061566 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8139 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 00:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 00:01:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:00:54 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tonight I went to a private viewing of the new Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London (c400-1558.) For a wonder the cases are well lit, and to an extent you can get to the sides, and sometimes round the back. For the interest of this list there are tiny knitted garments for children, knitted caps, a fragment of sleeve with buttons, (in the Crowfoot/Staniland book), thimbles, pins, jewellery, madder dyed textiles, a leather jerkin, belts, a garter of wool, shoes, patterns, a cod piece and various other relevant things like for weaving, about which I know nothing. The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! The think I find most personal is a beautiful fine hairnet, which I had the good fortune to handle many years ago, and it was very evocative of a real person. All in all, somewhere worth visiting if you are in London with time on your hands, There are, of course, other galleries there to be enjoyed, the 18th century printed cotton clothes being on of my favourites. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 21:33:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM2XlHL009564 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM2XF7k003243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM2XBYI053016; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM2X7ZM052985 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 776D913859E; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:33:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.104.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.104]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3473B138628 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:32:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:34:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was > on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear frames for those of us in the US? =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 21 23:11:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM4B7va012475 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM4AX4n012399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM4AUa9004744; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM4AQTU004677 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.66.6396d022 (57365) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:10:18 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <66.6396d022.30b3f42a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:10:18 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] King Kong X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone seen the previews for the new King Kong movie coming out? It seems to be set in the 1930s, and I was wondering if anyone had any impressions of the costumes yet. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 01:51:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM6pIdf016716 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:51:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM6oaWR027502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM6oNA3083924; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM6oI3A083839 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13215 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 06:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 06:50:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:50:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:34 22/11/2005, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! > >What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear >frames for those of us in the US? =} > >-E House Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I thought it might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last night!! As it was I had my little notebook out making lists. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 02:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM7kL2S027376 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM7juPr031970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM7jsnc008907; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM7jouR008837 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22056 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XEHKkhSWNPHA7VWq9oLoNcVyOrbUyvgC2eICK+iiUc+8hKM7bC7jedFHN09LNu30I+6eK5jbX3WQ///Yjl4s3dqFDcPopup+F3tuqfXUL1lPGeiEPMCloQdrXGquMUgJcoXaL8vAUyzEXW2kLF5cltYPVMTH44VEVqojhS6YRP0= ; Message-ID: <20051122074544.22054.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Pride and Prejudice II X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO jean wrote:>when Lizzie is in Derbyshire with her aunt and >uncle, where she stands on a hilltop with her skirt blowing out >behind her I was so beggging someone to come up and shove her off... I thought: Costumes - ok (suitably rumpled and certain people suitably unfashionable), hair - really annoying: was it intentional to have short bits of dark hair sticking out at the nape of her neck?, etiquette - was likewise shocked at 'bedroom scene' :-) My main peeve were the above 'wuthering' scene and the dawn scene - not that they were inappropriate (one of them was) or badly acted (I've seen worse) but the cinematography, that touched up super-real Keira twenty feet high thing: I enjoyed it apart from those which I felt really jarred and were badly done. Going to see the Libertine with M. Depp next week - from the promos the costumes look very good. Is it another Beavan/Bright collaboration? Apparently the 17th century has never been quite so dirty... Katherine who doesn't care too much about acting if they get the costumes right. 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Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 04:55:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAM9ttIO023821 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAM9rjNq040998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM9reRk062805; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAM9rZjW062709 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 91205 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 09:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 09:53:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:53:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember then name of the stitch! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 08:51:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMDpx27027513 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMDpOT2073912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMDpI7i065898; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMDotOk065651 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 65069 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 13:50:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WTB1oHoaGHyfEv5fP6R+I3eMKvNXhbzCza77ksm78ILHgpLkKb9SWu9YqnAjzAXDdbINekY4FgkX4rwqpmVwDe5JOINrfldW0UH5oh+BhmNdV1CplPMub1uYeP0+BdUTt4xGacwword2hsjguTCQ6pUK6/f3s/ucq3Z/uOcu3VE= ; Message-ID: <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:50:49 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, can I beg photos? Please? pretty please! alex Suzi Clarke wrote: Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember then name of the stitch! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 09:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAME34sQ027833 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:03:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAME2bsf074857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAME2Upu072039; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAME2PKB071915 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 96223 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >can I beg photos? > >Please? > >pretty please! > >alex > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > >Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >probably Italian. As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 10:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMF7jwn030135 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMF70Hq080135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMF6nEL008224; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMF6j6J008149 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 6644 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 15:06:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X5NGuqAxVM2iXsjYh8swdaWPLQ/scWYD+BAPJTIs2t4qFe4G64k0Klq9jmcAi9Pa9XbNVcZCyDL7wQiUU5tnl+rvrQVCDmfOSS45Edw1TxkHd5o9291zbC4Uokvskfe7zqQHqjTY92U7kpghq7qDxObz67TEUWjLENiIN5AlJx8= ; Message-ID: <20051122150640.6642.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:06:40 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. Suzi Thank you, I am most particularly interested in how the heel was turned/made, since our most famous stocking example of that period, Eleanora de Toledo's, don't have the heels anymore. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 10:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMFLkOD030576 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:21:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMFLMCS082066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMFLIh4017918; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53011.mail.yahoo.com (web53011.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMFLFsx017814 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aureliarufinia@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61713 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2005 15:21:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hFFJ2k8S40sXq2S2YP0xePcD9RNjcC3ObgDuI0mksKHN8ehOPbN5YFPfwkyJnuDQDrPl/w7edR8gjXwR3esP30zoRA4ZrwvRYE9FuIptqQbiV/5msykk0dmi7t2F4B+HTvG1arKNQSdMHsewrzJ0vjRGQSePhMVmA/HwY0Xcexk= ; Message-ID: <20051122152109.61711.qmail@web53011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.166.50.34] by web53011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:21:09 PST Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:21:09 -0800 (PST) From: Aurelia Rufinia Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pride & Prejudice To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511221507.jAMF6qIC008252@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just saw it last night, and this is so not my period, so I will not talk about the costumes. Of course the mini-series is more tru to the book! the mini-series was what? Five hours? And this was two. Lots of stuff is going to be in that three hours. Dinner: If you look at the plates, there is meat and greens on them. The potatoes looked quite tasty, though. So not only could they afford a cook and a couple severents, they could afford meat, as well. Hair: I believe the wispy hair bits Lizzie had going was to accentuate her "plain-ness." I'm told the American ending is different than the British ending... I believe the very last scene is not in the british version. (It seemed random and slightly out of place, as it were.) Aurelia --------------- > > > I agree with the other comments that it had a bit of > a Romantic/Gothic feel > (IIRC it only rains once in the 1995 version it's > constantly raining in this > one) and the lack of propriety, in terms of > costuming I noticed a lot of > wandering around without hats (Mr Darcy and Lizzy > were the main culprits) > perhaps it's a reflection of their mental state like > those 15th century > pictures of Mary Magdalene in just her kirtle at the > foot of the cross ;). > and the bit where Lizzy is wandering about the > Collins' house in her > nightgown (a lot of people hesitate to do that in > somebody else's house > today, let alone in the 19th century). There were > also a couple of points > where it completely missed the point of the book, > the most glaring error is > dropping the Gardiners' children Mrs Bennet claims > that her brother is rich > with no children of his own, in the book much is > made of the facts that 1. > Mrs Bennet's family aren't too rich and are 'in > trade' (and therefore are > not really of the same social standing as Mr Bennet > as a member of the > landed gentry) and 2. after their Father's death the > girls will have only > £50 a year to live on and none of their relatives > can afford to support > them. If their uncle is married with no children > after several years of > marriage it's a safe bet that he's not going to have > children of his own and > he can pass his fortune onto his neices when he > dies. The Bennets were > depicted as not very well off (the house is falling > to bits and they can > apparently only afford Potatoes for dinner!) in the > book they are no where > near that poor, but they will be when Mr Bennet > dies. The other major > problem I saw was the timing of Lady Catherine's > visit to tell Lizzy that > she disapproves of the match. She turns up at the > Bennets only a few hours > after Bingley proposed to Jane having heard rumours > that Darcy will propose > to Lizzy, I don't understand where she would have > heard such a rumour. In > the book the neighbors begin speculating about Lizzy > and Darcy after Jane > and Bingley's engagement and so Charlotte Lucas > hears the rumour from her > family and Mr Collins passes the message onto Lady > Catherine. I don't > understand how a rumour about Lizzy and Darcy would > get to Lady Catherine so > quickly and the movie never explains it either. > Overall the costuming was pretty good and with a > couple of exceptions they > got it right (better than Emma with Gwyneth Paltrow > for example), I liked > the way that the older women were wearing older > fashions, though I think > Keira Knightley could have worn something more > flattering than that > ubiquitous ugly green dress, she's not stupid she > can see what flatters her > and what doesn't, I could excuse the ugly fabric if > it's === message truncated === __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 15:56:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMKuVgK009020 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKtL3u024225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKtGjE088522; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM0HRJ2073075 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5024C5FAB1 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:17:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was >on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great Britain someday... I really do. But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such images, like a book or catalog or online? Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 15:58:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMKwuhc009114 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKvv0R024627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKvp0o090743; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMC2NQS016003 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so578990wra for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nVyBqPe9kbFWu1+roNJZjXBdglLwNPzwEjd+BdqXI/3LXkKWC0y4hhuM2r242mPbS7DSsZqfkyvsVPUpzPM6XSN9vw4iWJIz6OGQUX/Sj0OqXLaHC5eqRHInsiLY5S0003GjXTzUOAcFuVSIz+Y3VmLMsUPwqy09lqy8rRoVosU= Received: by 10.64.203.1 with SMTP id a1mr4336887qbg; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:02:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:02:22 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAMC2NQS016003 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, want! Suzi was it recreation or was it extant... I'm a little confused. BUT if it is extant then add it to my list of things to "visit" in June. ;> Happy dance. Bridgette, historic knit junky btw, reeled silk shouldn't shrink or full On 11/22/05, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, > probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could > probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was > fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, > even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks > like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very > small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and > cannot remember then name of the stitch! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML2rWG009266 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAML2XfM025351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAML2VFI094791; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMGEiXw057844 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so1097857nzd for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DBF6JN2Aky1f4PGAtY0K5gGue27qM345wgNX4V0InZHOvnT51Joggq+EA7qC9oC6t/2pM7hHPuF2V4iyklbI6rYdMv+6gJ2dR1gfIfBGifC5mcVoRlvqXbtCj0CgINyFqhBxLrVt5jNblJdNJzH6YsjAHBkb0bNo/ZIVKv+RyPo= Received: by 10.65.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr4779850qbm; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:14:43 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAML2rWG009266 Status: RO > Tonight I went to a private viewing of the new Medieval Gallery at > the Museum of London (c400-1558.) For a wonder the cases are well > lit, and to an extent you can get to the sides, and sometimes round > the back. For the interest of this list there are tiny knitted > garments for children, knitted caps, a fragment of sleeve with > buttons, (in the Crowfoot/Staniland book), thimbles, pins, jewellery, > madder dyed textiles, a leather jerkin, belts, a garter of wool, > shoes, patterns, a cod piece and various other relevant things like > for weaving, about which I know nothing. The wire frame for the Gable > Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, was on display, and also a > frame for a French hood!!! The think I find most personal is a > beautiful fine hairnet, which I had the good fortune to handle many > years ago, and it was very evocative of a real person. For us travel limited, do they have a place on line? My daughter was there many times when she spent 6 mo. last winter, but I'm disabled and have problems getting around. > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:03:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML30NP009273 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:03:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMKvK5B024511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMKvJHJ090290; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAM7W7Xh002853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 27675 invoked by uid 507); 22 Nov 2005 18:32:05 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 18:32:05 +1100 Message-ID: <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:32:09 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd check that with the museum - we were there in late 2003 and were not able to take photographs or (I kid you not) do sketches! I'm glad the displays are better - the old ones were quite disappointing - many items were not labelled. Some interesting pieces didn't even have an accession number to ask questions about later (they had the earliest examples of slipware (dated on the piece) I've seen, but no further information about them. Wayne did some sketches of these anyway! We're taking the kids to the UK next April-May, We'll be in London over Easter, and are looking forward to seeing the new gallery. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > At 02:34 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >>>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the Museum, >>>was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! >> >>What are the photography rules? Can you take pics of the headwear frames >>for those of us in the US? =} >> >>-E House > > > Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I thought it > might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last night!! As it > was I had my little notebook out making lists. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAML7jLW009425 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAML7H91025960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAML7GA6098664; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:07:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMHGmG1008649 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D4F5F1389B6; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:16:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.171.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.171]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 18D98138A43 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02d801c5ef88$5f67b530$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:15:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > Should not be a problem once the Gallery is officially open. I > thought it might be a bit obvious if I was there with my camera last > night!! As it was I had my little notebook out making lists. Yay! And good point. =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 16:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMLQY2W010107 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMLQ15X028339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMLPwD0013101; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:25:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMLPs6J012990 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQD00J1GKUAXLSD@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:25:29 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am going to be making tomorrow (wed, nov23) one of the black partlets shown in some of AERTSEN's work. Some examples of a painting with some of these partlets is http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/a/aertsen/ (in the ninth, tenth and eleventh paintings down). These partlets seem to be basically exactly the same pattern as the white linen ones worn beneath, so I have a pattern. However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? I make my white linen ones from two layers, though I am thinking of making one with only one layer-it seems like it will be more see though with only one layer, and some of the paintings make it seem like they should be see though sometimes. Thanks to anyone who shares their opinion, I value both theoretical and practical outlooks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMFmvf011919 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMF2E7034213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMEvkV050045; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMMEmxh049850 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19318 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220421.01d861e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:05:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <72adc2660511220402v43146a6ei506ad227963abb51@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:02 22/11/2005, you wrote: >Oh, want! Suzi was it recreation or was it extant... I'm a little >confused. BUT if it is extant then add it to my list of things to >"visit" in June. ;> >Happy dance. >Bridgette, historic knit junky >btw, reeled silk shouldn't shrink or full > >On 11/22/05, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, > > probably Italian. Anyone who understands knitting patterns could > > probably work out the pattern. The gusset-thing shaping the foot was > > fascinating. With all the knitting, the needles must have been tiny, > > even allowing for shrinkage and fulling. The one knitted hat looks > > like fabric, and the child's vest/shirt/jumper was knitted in very > > small even rows of plain/purl - sorry, having a senior moment and > > cannot remember then name of the stitch! Oh, no these are all real - the recreations had not yet reached the gallery, including my gable headdress! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMFmfK011918 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMF2qZ034212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMEvlD050047; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAMMEm6h049841 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19306 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 22:14:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:03:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:17 22/11/2005, you wrote: >At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! > > >Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great >Britain someday... I really do. > >But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for >both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >images, like a book or catalog or online? As far as I know there are no images of the frames anywhere, but I will ask next time I am in the Museum for research - next week actually. Face to face with the curators is always better than mailing or phoning. The Museum is totally accessible as there are lifts all around at street level, and the Museum itself is on only two levels, with lift access to both, to the best of my knowledge. Most of the cases are easily viewable from a wheelchair I would guess. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 17:35:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMMZLvR012535 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:35:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMMYxjk036716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMYvNH065957; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMMYoQV065794 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1513A1FD for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:34:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:35:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO J Schueller wrote: > However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, > and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them > out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It is quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and the white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for 'best' wear. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 18:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMNt8j5014928 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAMNrXBk046246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMNrScU022712; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAMNrLfi022553 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQD00DQQROQQ9GF@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:53:21 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question In-reply-to: <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4383AF71.1040503@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks a good point Dawn. And I am making the partlet out of this outragusly great and wonderful black wool that my mom got for some suits. I made the stuff for her, and just *happened* to have some left over. when i got the fabric i had to roll around in it, it was so wonderful. Actually, I really sweated the placement of pieces because the fabic was like $30 a yard-worth every penny, but not something I would normally buy. > > J Schueller Says: > >> However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one >> layer, and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I >> make them out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have >> any insight? >> > Dawn Says: > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It > is quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it > indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. > > It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and > the white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for > 'best' wear. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 21:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN2HvWw019213 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN2HLcx060624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2HGgo001431; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web60913.mail.yahoo.com (web60913.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAN2HDMF001375 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmcsaveney@yahoo.co.nz) Received: (qmail 856 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 02:17:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.nz; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MWKzacxEiIt92JQjYoxcLejDCnMuuv7O6b5/0mtHGLCdJnKeatPFDOD/WJbZ4PMFnjUhw+T+83fkyRUDhKLRBUEf2O0qhwKctjL06d7bpgGf0zc2qPOUGovPDQsFRzirfvGLIuSMACBJUd/J1pgO5bmmmFROQvnIohgOU7/4k4g= ; Message-ID: <20051123021708.854.qmail@web60913.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [150.203.89.87] by web60913.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:17:07 NZDT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:17:07 +1300 (NZDT) From: Jenny McSaveney Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In case it hasn't made the rounds here yet, the BBC has some pictures up of a couple of the artifacts from the new Gallery: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm for the start of the sequence. #4 has a child's knitted mitten and vest from the 1500s. Short on actual info, but still some good pictures. More info direct from the Museum website (http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/ and follow the links), with the medieval gallery press release (pdf) at: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/images/MedievalPressPack.pdf Lots of detail there... Jenny (who will go back to lurking now) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 21:41:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN2fpeJ019944 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN2fYvI062664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2fWVg013448; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN2fRVL013396 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m14.in-tch.com [216.166.191.14]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAN2Xvk15936 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:33:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005a01c5efd8$55760720$0ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer><43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:48:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A "Flemish" is on my list of to-do projects for next year's tourney season, and I've been figuring that I'd line my outer (black) partlet with a medium-weight linen, if only to give my black wool a bit more body than it already has (it's a fairly fine suitweight worsted). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question > J Schueller wrote: > > > > However, I am wondering if i should make the partlet out of one layer, > > and just make the inside seams as pretty as I can, or should I make them > > out of two layers and make the seems go inside? anyway have any insight? > > > > I made one of a pants weight black wool and just hemmed the edges. It is > quite warm and toasty as just a single layer. I was sweating in it > indoors, but comfortable on a sunny February afternoon outside. > > It's my belief that the black ones were outdoor or winter wear, and the > white ones for indoors or better weather, and the sheer ones for 'best' > wear. > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 22 22:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN3Ojed021237 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:24:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN3OFhY065556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN3O6E6033842; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN3O4RR033752 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-161-59.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.161.59]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20051123032352013002knebe>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:23:35 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. (I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, but... :-) -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 00:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN56kes024287 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN56AbQ073739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN566Q4080819; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN561aI080775 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.52] (acty1052.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.52]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A1F5C5F0 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:06:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:05:54 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this helps, Mike T. >> >> >> But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for both >> the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >> images, like a book or catalog or online? > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 00:10:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN5AQIo024407 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN5ACFW073974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN5ACsA082534; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN5A9ii082232 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005112305092901400lslbne>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:08:37 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't achieved as much as I want to on this, so I need to ramp it up! I have made some final decisions, after finding enough portraits which I believe support my beliefs for this project at this time and place (I may be wrong, but this is research in progress) =) 1. No farthingale - just a stiffened petticoat, a pleated undergown and a pleated overgown should give oomph enough 2. No corset - bodice lined with canvas and I'm not going to bone it since I don't need THAT much support and the stiffened stomacher should provide the appropriate front line. 3. Using a 2 kirtle setup - as in the Cecilia Heron picture, pinned stomacher on outermost gown as in the Jane Seymour 4. French hood 5. Using my existing cotton chemise because it's made and it has an authentic (square) neckline - http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/elinorsalter/tudor%20project/ren_chemise.jpg I still haven't made it to the fabric district, but I need to know how much fabric I'll have to buy first. I'm still thinking about using a deep red cotton velvet, simply for the look. This is going to be for a Yule event and for fancy events like Coronations. I'm going to do silk taffeta for the turnback sleeves, to achieve the color and the stiffness depicted. This fabric is the the frontrunner for my forepart and false sleeves. If I can find something just as pretty in a more authentic fabric in the meantime, I will grab it. I can get this for as low as $10/yd, maybe less depending on the combination of sale & coupon in effect at the time. I don't know how much of it I'll need though. http://www.hancockfabrics.com/jump.jsp?itemID=11212&itemType=PRODUCT As for progress, I've designed a bodice using the vertetsable website instructions and it's in the process of fitting (using canvas as the toile which will become my lining), with my husband's help. I'm not sure how far the armscye needs to come down. I'm also not sure whether or not I need it this complex (i.e. 3 pieces) but I can always sew pieces together when I transfer my final pattern back to paper. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/elinorsalter/tudor%20project/tudor_bodice_pieces.jpg - before fitting I have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of lower-class dress but I'm having little success. My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). I want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring portraits but I just can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so I can purchase fabric, hopefully this weekend. I do remember one earlier portrait (from Spain?) showing a tapestry fabric kirtle pieced as in an Alcega gored pattern. And what proportions should I do it in? Do I just figure out an appropriate circumferance for the hem and take up the rest in pleating? I'm a little leery of doing that since I have 50" of waist to deal with and I need plenty of fabric to pleat at the back as in the style of the Holbein back view sketch. Thank you for all the previous help. I didn't reply to everyone because of that nasty virus I got that week, but all of your help has gotten me to this point, which is more advanced than I've ever inched to before. -- Elinor Salter Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:18:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6I3GR026393 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:18:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6G6V7079281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6G3sI011319; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAN6Fwti011240 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 84804 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 06:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 06:15:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:13:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6J7fv026439 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:19:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6IaAg079646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6IaqR012448; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6IWwL012408 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D1A51708 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:18:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:18:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) In-Reply-To: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:08 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: > have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the > undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More > family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing > period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images > from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of > lower-class dress but I'm having little success. > >My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? >I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces >(like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). I >want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring portraits but I just >can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so I can purchase fabric, >hopefully this weekend. I do remember one earlier portrait (from Spain?) >showing a tapestry fabric kirtle pieced as in an Alcega gored >pattern. And what proportions should I do it in? Do I just figure out an >appropriate circumferance for the hem and take up the rest in >pleating? I'm a little leery of doing that since I have 50" of waist to >deal with and I need plenty of fabric to pleat at the back as in the style >of the Holbein back view sketch. Some quick thoughts. http://costume.dm.net/fabuse.html is a website that details amounts of fabrics used for 16th c. women's clothes. I just happened to be reading it as your question came over the list. It might help you. On the kirtle (undergown) and how it fastens, that's something I am trying to determine as well. The Cunningtons in _Handbook of English Costume in the 16th Century_ mentions "Fastened down the front to waist invisibly, probably by hooks and eyes. Occasionally buttoned or laced." They also mention stomachers (1516/1517) and placards (1547) that are suitably vague enough to maybe covering the actual fasteners under the gown. Most images I have seen are not detailed enough to know for sure what was done under the gown. As to the amount of fabric for the skirt to pleat in the back, if you have even two panels of 45" material, you will have more than plenty to pleat at the back in that style. I really wouldn't go with more fabric, and may even consider doing less. It might be something you might want to drape onto a form and see what gives you the right look. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 01:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN6Jat8026455 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN6JKo8079748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6JJFt012821; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN6JFYS012775 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DEA34D6F for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:19:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122221853.03745d80@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:19:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:05 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and >Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress >that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The >Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this >helps, Mike T. Thanks Mike! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7FMVo031403 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7F2YZ083498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7Ewpb035032; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7EqNM034969 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7Em9v013695 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:14:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:12:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1> <20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. Cheers, Danielle At 08:02 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >>can I beg photos? >> >>Please? >> >>pretty please! >> >>alex >> >>Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >>Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >>probably Italian. > >As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to >mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and >will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7Mrgv000851 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7JwHU083878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7JvT3037108; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7JruQ037080 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7HQgv019137 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:17:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123011337.01cbb080@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:15:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:03 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 00:17 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>At 04:00 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: >>>The wire frame for the Gable Headdress, which I copied for the >>>Museum, was on display, and also a frame for a French hood!!! >> >>Thanks Suzi for sharing this info. I really have to get to Great >>Britain someday... I really do. >> >>But until then, do you happen to have images of these frames for >>both the Gable and the French hood? Or know where one can find such >>images, like a book or catalog or online? > > >As far as I know there are no images of the frames anywhere, but I >will ask next time I am in the Museum for research - next week >actually. Face to face with the curators is always better than >mailing or phoning. > >The Museum is totally accessible as there are lifts all around at >street level, and the Museum itself is on only two levels, with lift >access to both, to the best of my knowledge. Most of the cases are >easily viewable from a wheelchair I would guess. > >Suzi They are completely accessible, and they used to, and I'm sure they still do, have motorized wheelchairs available to make the museum more accessible to patrons. All the cases were clearly visible from wheelchair height. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 02:42:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAN7g7lu005846 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAN7OCrm084175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7OAxh038657; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAN7O7nZ038630 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:24:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id jAN7MlZ8010060 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:22:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123011911.01cbab60@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:23:37 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> References: <200511221506.jAMF6qIB008252@net.indra.com> <4383E0B7.3000301@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are a number of very clear references to knitted items in the Henry VIII inventories, many of them are much earlier than you think. There are plenty of references in other sources as well. Including one I have found which has King Henry ordering twelve pairs of "knytt hosen" for his sister-in-law sister the Princess of Castile, in May of 1510. Cheers, Danielle At 09:23 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) > >-Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 05:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANAJiUW010006 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:19:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANAJ1E5005720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAIuTf008319; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAIqYK008279 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQE00AGRKN8BL5K@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:18:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:18:44 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise on another list... Thanks, Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:13 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 05:35:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANAZGFu014988 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:35:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANAYUw4009933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANAYSn7014489; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANAYOXX014412 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92286 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 10:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.212.68 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 10:34:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123103114.01d85790@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:34:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:18 23/11/2005, you wrote: >Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but >English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , >please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise >on another list... > >Thanks, >Dame Catriona MacDuff There is a garter, (don't remember the date) but I think it is made of wool fabric. It appears to be tied and to have a fringe made from the slashed edge of the fabric. I feel that it is actually displayed upside down, and would have been worn with the fringe hanging down, not sticking up, but that is a personal opinion. It would be difficult, though not impossible, to display it the other way up. But what do I know - I'm only the practical one who makes these things!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANB1ern019024 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:01:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANB0VLF014610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANB0QKd024556; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANB0MU4024463 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F6D826A for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29741-10 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD502D8263 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007501c5f01d$1189f9a0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net><003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1><025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub><6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1><037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer><43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> <43839D35.4090501@reddawn.net> <4383AF71.1040503@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Schueller" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question when i got the fabric i had to roll around in it, it was so > wonderful. >> I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does that.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:18:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANBIBnV021586 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANBHhgG015525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBHf2S031317; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBHbsl031264 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051123111731.HBZR18790.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:31 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.166.24]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051123111731.ZVBV22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:31 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.5/178]); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:34 +1300 Message-ID: <012301c5f01f$80d39710$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:17:34 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > 1. No farthingale - just a stiffened petticoat, a pleated undergown and > a pleated overgown should give oomph enough I didn't catch what dates you are looking at. The later styles are very conical and often have skirts fitted smoothly over the front of the hooped skirt. I had a look in my deleted emails, but I seem to have completely lost the first post... sigh. If you are looking at later then hooped skirts are the only thing that will give that shape (escept maybe layers and layers of netting.... layers and layers and layers..). For earlier (Jane Seymore, Margaret Tudor etc etc) then a supportive underskirt is probably better. > 2. No corset - bodice lined with canvas and I'm not going to bone it > since I don't need THAT much support and the stiffened stomacher should > provide the appropriate front line. I would make sure you can add boning at a later date, simply because I know from personal experience of "not needing much support" that I won't conform to shape unless I do somehting more drastic;) I had a really good example at the end of September when I wore my Victorian corset laced as close as it can. My shape was suddenly ideal for the period (it lowered my waistline considerably). Same with my effigy stays for my 1560 Spanish gown. Is there anything in Corsets and Crinolines from this period? I was focused post 1550 when I last looked at the book. And the Richard III society has privy purse accounts from before 1510 (canvas is mentioned for upperbodices.) > 3. Using a 2 kirtle setup - as in the Cecilia Heron picture, pinned > stomacher on outermost gown as in the Jane Seymour I have some nice close ups of two of the Jane Seymour portraits, and one of a miniature to show the pins quite clearly. http://glittersweet.com/1seymorebodice1.jpg http://glittersweet.com/1seymorebodice2.jpg http://glittersweet.com/2seymore1.jpg http://glittersweet.com/2seymore2.jpg http://glittersweet.com/holbainsmall.jpg Lovely typo in his name.. sigh. > I have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the > undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the More > family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is side-lacing > period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying to find images > from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, particularly of > lower-class dress but I'm having little success. I'm pretty sure one of the vasquina y cuerpo baxo (skirt with bodice) patterns in Alcega has the front and backs cut on the fold so that the only way to fasten it is at the side seams, which are only slightly shifted to the back. My book is buried in my sewing room with no chance of rescue tonight. > My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? > I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored pieces > (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a patterns). Looking at the skirts in Alcega and Patterns of Fashion I'd use a gored pattern with a wider back skirt section to allow for pleats at the back. The rounder the waist is cut and the wider the side seam angles the more flare you'll get. You are probably going to do well adapting Eleanora di Toledo's skirt. It's got a nice drape without too much skirt flare. The train can be cut shorter if needed. michela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 22/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 06:57:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANBuxu3000966 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:56:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANBuVb2017621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBuQPF046716; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANBuOrX046690 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s7so1227289wxc for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kCJza8Z6yn0u6JmYwtgEKVDKqhEJQ2NmPeCKE1fFeCj34+rR4Ee7Lx2S4nWpoEaUAPRJjScuH3M8Rf3SMyGu6i9vHufsKBFad5awm2/rnIDajp0Gv92KpLqp9IshFy8v3C7ATKbjROtFNS73dGzCpF8dMfLw7AlN+LqGEDwDUGo= Received: by 10.65.186.13 with SMTP id n13mr5785145qbp; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230356p1663e7fck9f29cf6b2ebb042c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:56:23 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANBuOrX046690 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, monica spence wrote: > Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but > English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , > please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise > on another list... > > Thanks, > Dame Catriona MacDuff > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCH1nE003898 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCFlsr019415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCFj1C055593; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCFfHH055519 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jANCFZ507552.; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:35 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:35 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:15:19 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCFfHH055519 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> maricelt@gmail.com 23/11/2005 11:56 >>> Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCRYcP004173 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:27:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCQP8W020201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCQNkp060441; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCQLXD060408 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1270324wxd for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Be6krQcr7CXrFLd6ITQfGluRgs4rIDpCixWOdvnpnP9T7MRgkBUgCFF8WoYZ6fbkyUtIIknxMMJ2atcgguySoXyjz+kzc1/0nPaSOHqYR8eOKLt8fhR3zXiioubBTqst6KV+ZXeHAabp+2PgC5hRVeydNvgbaMMEfJZlczm4BGY= Received: by 10.65.230.13 with SMTP id h13mr5758587qbr; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230426v257cffe1r97cb559ce5671d50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:26:21 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCQLXD060408 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 11/23/05, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Hey Kate - It is indeed possible. Most of my research is in the pre-1600 time frame, so that is the only area on which I can comment. I only said I hadn't seen any, not that they didn't exist. :> I would be very interested to learn when they were common. And please - if you know of anything, or find anything do share. I would very much like to learn more. Thanks, Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCYbTj004324 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCYI6Q020747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCYFBm063965; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vhost1.itasca.net (IDENT:ewiRK9XPa/VtvOMVZHvVKUG+J2WzS9cb@vhost1.itasca.net [12.157.198.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCYDAR063929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ynes@sskip.net) Received: from ip70-174-134-100.dc.dc.cox.net ([70.174.134.100]:50508 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by vhost1.itasca.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.42 and XAMS 0.0.13) id 1EetpF-0002Q8-9d for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:34:13 -0600 Message-ID: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:34:15 -0500 From: Ynes Garcia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 7b21b02a064dd0d2d3b43ad98ccd3150 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: >Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch at the top of the stocking does do this very well. This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works and not on historical evidence. - Ynes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 07:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANCtGrn004803 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANCspME022016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCsn0e073405; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANCslj5073387 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so1266609wra for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c4Tsd4olou3ZXtsHZK6jIBnqLulz8/nZttGhkBmLheoJOHGjzHLg+85vBT1psPMM+n044g7LyJRnDIagq7UEVyqqAfv/ZM4IgHUADBeq3v8VVFNnRougDfxcf9PicImJIQvrGrP8wfa/WzfDLxVlMbOF4CaPBoZUGs8qOmMiCOg= Received: by 10.64.201.14 with SMTP id y14mr5776657qbf; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511230454ie9ab2f5wdf7305ce2e19b0a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:54:46 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-Reply-To: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <438461C7.100@sskip.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANCslj5073387 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ynes! Hey there... That is an interesting idea. And it fits well with the stocking evidence that we do have both painted, extant and written. Hmmm... an elegant solution. Thank you. You've given me something to think about. :> Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, Ynes Garcia wrote: > My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching > that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through > better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch > at the top of the stocking does do this very well. > > This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works > and not on historical evidence. > > - Ynes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:01:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANE1Z4Z006628 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANE0p6f028286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANE0ke1011420; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANE0gJi011258 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 48648 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 14:00:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=do8i9hSpxUzT3d9oNTe1gvTaUYtk0hcqWadvWKLV0A1Dpt51P9difpKmy9ZZpGktBzl4vUbk7NTC/PLKUFSJv1koQX6TN59kYqwFvcrUNsLStfXQ1PgL0SD4iI1sUPArfbarM8yVfibsRKQguJFcBsaV6x3SXu/VU1ovUM2uQJw= ; Message-ID: <20051123140035.48646.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.33.141.26] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:35 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's interesting, since in June of this year I was at the Museum of London and took many pictures while there and no one said anything. I don't know that there was a change in policy or they were being lax in enforcing it. I certainly wasn't hiding that I was taking photos. alex Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: Hello, The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. Cheers, Danielle At 08:02 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >At 13:50 22/11/2005, you wrote: >>Do you have an approximate date for the stocking? and if pre-1600, >>can I beg photos? >> >>Please? >> >>pretty please! >> >>alex >> >>Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >>Oh, and the best thing was a black silk knitted stocking foot, >>probably Italian. > >As the last date in the gallery is 1558, I guess it must be early to >mid 1500's - I can take the date off the label next time I go, and >will try to take photos if allowed - should not be a problem as far as I know. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANECcOr006961 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEC3wt029163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEC22T017656; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEBx0q017589 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4384792C.4000902@msn.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:14:04 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Workingwomen -Black Partlets -a question References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <025901c5ef0d$5be0ce40$0400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20051122064807.01d81df8@127.0.0.1> <037301c5ef36$d9b97690$0401a8c0@mycomputer> <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <43838CC9.4080904@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 14:11:53.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAFCDF40:01C5F037] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have made several of these in both black and white. I line the black wool ones in black linen and the white ones with self fabric. I am trying to remember where I saw it, but there is a painting/drawing of a woman with a black partlet and red lining. It might have been a Breughel, but most of those collars aren't like this...my brain remembers that it was an allegorical painting of woman riding a horse or something?? Maybe when the rest of me wakes up I will be able to put my finger on it. Oh and if any of you decide to make the pointy Breughel ones, I know where to get the reproduction dresshooks..... :) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANEPgYK007247 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:25:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEPGsk030155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEPDmW024659; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEP100024591 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jANEHVk19001 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c5f03a$9f58e620$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051122094936.01d7b358@127.0.0.1><20051122135049.65067.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20051122140046.01d7b3b8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051123010744.01cc2f88@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:31:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They also weren't allowing photography in 2002, when I went over there, and then later that year, apparently they were. The policy seems to change often, which I guess, for us, means hope for the best and plan as best as you can (getting permission, etc.). --Sue, who remembers some guy being dumb enough to try it while she was there, and he was using a flash on his camera, and boy, did that bring the security guards..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Medieval Gallery at the Museum of London > Hello, > > The last time I was at the MoL, you are not allowed to take photos > unless you have express permission from the curatorial staff and have > signed the appropriate waivers. This is a fairly new policy that had > been instituted while they were doing all that work in the museum a > year or two ago. One of the curators told me their main reason was > to gain copyright control over the spread of the images and the > quality of the images being passed around. Too many people were > taking pictures on their trips there and slapping them on their > websites, or even publishing them, without consulting the museum so > to put a stop to this, they stopped allowing general photography. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANESwMO007330 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANESU12030482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANESUTu026472; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANESRCX026386 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80267 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 14:28:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JmZUCyqdXzdTYDB6tPgMK9evZ5TMUqn6I0D0HLi6Epx+73JjsWn/w7TASTk77iT21LcDep+FZVd5W52opAzhHk8rXO5nv/dmTSsnPBWa1hL3DahISP3xQRasQeX47YqOfx5pYqUouqQuDqSTkC9S76w+EzHQHZdlf4Ei31UWGeM= ; Message-ID: <20051123142822.80265.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:28:22 PST Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511230715.jAN7F1td035069@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: new exhibit in Charlotte, NC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are interested in 18th and 19th century stuff. The MInt Museum in Charlotte, NC has just opened a new gallery devoted to costume. I went last night on free night, and was really really suprised. They don't have a lot, but it is very nice for sucha a small area. If you are in the area, you should go...especially because there is not much security in the gallery. you can get your snout right up the the things! I mean right up. This facet of the exhibit probably will not last long. A lovely big paisley shawl spread 1 inch (yes that's right 1 inch) from the edge of a platform is neat to look at but too, too much of a temptation. Last year I nearly had apoplexey whan a early teens child who was touring a gallery poked a 1600's floral still life with a pencil eraser and was going after it with a finger. I 'm afraid I was not politically correct when I yelled, DON"T DO THAT!" Ahh, life in 2005. The exhibit: and this is a 30,000 foot overview, I can't remeber all the details: Stuff out where you an really see it and touch it if your bad. 1. a mid 1700s Robe ala Francaise - That white and pink silk pattern that you see sometimes in heavier modern upholstery fabric. Pink strips alternating with white and multicolored floral sprigs on the white. The stomacher that buttons 2. a later 1700s robe ala Francaise, red silk, figured, matching peticoat, polonaised up. Front had robings I think. 3. a later 1700s gown of spitalfileds silk, beige-ish background, back, en foreau. repro petticoat. 4. Many english court suit, 1700s, reputedly worn at Marie Antoinette's wedding. beige. lots of sparkly things attached. 5. A Stunning black silk mens suit. English or New england-ish, according to the label. They used reporduction blonde lace on the cuffs and for the neckruffel. Suit is georgueos, use of blonde ??? I would have used really fine white linnen...It's more Republican 6. a womans silk jacket, tied in from with ribbons and quilted aqua silk petticoat, late 1700's, with a strange "fichu" tucked into the neckline of the jacket. It had a drawstring around the neck that I have never seen before this early. Looks to me like a later chemisette, but whatever. the rest of the collection goes up to the late 1900, but I've gone on long enough Down side. Curator is on art history side of the costume coin. He uses repops for many shoes, laces, and accessories. I recognize the new. Much of the stuff is bought from reputable dealers and is not from the Charlotte, NC area. I wish he had displayed some of the regional stuff that started the collction., alot of the local families donated some of their things. You could have got a good idea on what was going on in the area. And I agree with 95% of what he has done and described. I will try to get pictures and better distrciptions. 18c Mia in Charlotte Town, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANEVm52007404 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANEUWlK030674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEUUrv027634; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANEUP27027585 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m30.in-tch.com [216.166.191.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jANEMtk20144 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:22:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002e01c5f03b$60575500$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051123061056.01d7a918@127.0.0.1> <72adc2660511230356p1663e7fck9f29cf6b2ebb042c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:37:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 14:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANJjn74025824 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:45:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANJiQwM063957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANJiHrg071357; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANJi9SE071129 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-161-59.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.161.59]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005112319435701400l2oume>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:43:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4384C687.3040600@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:44:07 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511231425.jANEPFkK024698@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511231425.jANEPFkK024698@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:knit clothing dates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Interesting... though I know I've been told a few times that he had no knit hose in his own wardrobe, only woven and sewn. I know that there was very fine knitting done in both 'Germany' and Italy at the time (especially Germany), and wouldn't be surprised to see those thing imported a bit. I'm trying to figure out a vague English knitting timeline in my head still. I know the Monmouth caps type knitting was around in the late 1400s, and that by Elizabeth's reign knitting women were relatively common (as were knit hose knit *in* England)... but I've not seen anything about anything other than the caps in between, or anything on when finer knitting was introduced and caught on in the country. Ever curious, -Elisabeth >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > > >There are a number of very clear references to knitted items in the >Henry VIII inventories, many of them are much earlier than you >think. There are plenty of references in other sources as >well. Including one I have found which has King Henry ordering >twelve pairs of "knytt hosen" for his sister-in-law sister the >Princess of Castile, in May of 1510. > >Cheers, >Danielle > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 15:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANKA2kn026607 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANK4Hbv067661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANK4FEo087776; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANK4BWd087715 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.143]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 40D635EE06D for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi the list. I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis Olysses. Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have to be modern and artistic? I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy the opera, and stay home. What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? Bjarne....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 15:31:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANKVUGU027329 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:31:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANKV3p6070195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANKUxpl008336; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANKUsTb008244 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ef1GX-00026M-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <2710553.1132777853859.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:30:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jANKUsTb008244 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I'm with you on this basically. It seems to me that the music, or the words (in the case of a play), should be seen as part of a whole world being created, and that world also includes what the eye sees--costumes, set, even the actor's gestures. Once in a while a production comes along where the beauty of the language or the music or something in the theme is highlighted by, or given a new focus by, costumes or setting from another time, or from "no" time at all (that is, maybe black slacks and sweaters on all the actors, set made of movable cubes, etc.)--but most of the time when the production designer or director changes the time period of the set and costumes, the music or language sounds odd or the audience is confused or distracted by the changes. I blame a few things. --First of all, it's hard to raise money to do a production if "all" you're planning to do is the show as written. Every time I get ready to direct a Shakespeare play, people ask me "What's your concept?" and they mean, "how are you going to change things to make this different and new?" Investors probably are more eager for that than the general public. --Second, some directors don't consider it very "creative" to just do the show as it was originally conceived by the playwright or composer. They want to make their mark on it. --Third, unfortunately, there's a lot of condescension on the part of the art community toward the general public. A British actor was in residence at Williams College here a few years ago and directed a production of Richard Brinsley Sheridan's The Rivals (1775). I went because I had just done a production of that myself and was curious as to how ours would measure up. Well, I HATED his production--it was "camped up," a broad sex scene was put in, a lot of slapstick and sight gags were added. The audience did laugh a lot, but I and the actors who had come along with me were very disappointed. The show itself is very very funny--it doesn't need all that low comedy thrown in. When I got home I looked at the program and noticed that he had given a talk there at the theater one day, called "Adapting The Rivals for the Modern Audience." So you see he obviously believed that a modern audience wouldn't "get" The Rivals as originally conceived. But I can tell you that the audiences! that came to see MY The Rivals laughed and laughed and said the play was wonderful. They didn't need to be condescended to. Well, I do think that experimenting is a healthy thing in art. But I also think people have to keep in mind what they're doing it for, and also remember that the piece they're working with has been around for a long time without their interference. What a shame that such a rare opportunity to see a Monteverdi opera wasn't used to show the audience what the original experience was really like. This isn't to say that older works of art should be treated like museum pieces, but just that they should be respected in themselves, and audiences should be respected enough to be trusted with them. Well, that's my opinionated opinion, anyway! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 23, 2005 3:04 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Hi the list. I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis Olysses. Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have to be modern and artistic? I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy the opera, and stay home. What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? Bjarne....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:09:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANL9cU5028451 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANL9CCj073907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL989F034911; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL90kI034788 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.294.65093 (4446) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:08:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/23/2005 3:05:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: What are your opinions about this, why in heavens name don't they make period costumes ************************************ Well, it depends on the production. The concept, if not period, need not have period costumes. And I assure you the original 17th century production of this Greek myth didn't have period Greek costumes. Or did you mean Baroque costumes....their "modern" version of what they thought the costumes should look like in the 17th century? You see the problem here. I love Monteverdi! My favorite production of "L'Orfeo" [which is actually older than "Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria] that is on film is Jean-Pierre Ponnelle's late 1970's production. It is Baroque with the gods and goddesses dressed in court costume with farthingales and stiff wired collars....but with bits of allegorical stuff....like the words "La Musica" in the spirit of music's hair. Charon looks like a Baroque grotesque off some architectural element. The shepherds look like a dream from a Milton poem. Ponnelle did all 3 of the big Monteverdi operas [the 3rd one being L'incoronazione di Poppea] in this Baroque style. Alas, none of them are on DVD to my knowledge. On DVD is another version of "LOrfeo" dressed in ancient Greek clothing....sorta. It still has ample Baroque elements...especially in the scenery. Great singing too! It's on BBC Opus/Arte with Le Concert des Nations and La Capella Reial de Catalunya doing the music. There's also a great "Ulisse" with Samuel Ramey singing the title role on DVD....but I don't have that one. Anyway... if the production calls for period costumes, then they should have them. If the concept is not to make it look period....the costumes will not be period. The costumes must serve the vision of the director's concept. [My biggest problem with much costuming is, it's just bad... modern or period. Costuming gets no respect in America. They'll hire the Producer's niece to do the clothes because she needs a summer job!] There is a great GREAT version of an opera, "Les Indes Gallantes" [1735] by French baroque composer Rameau on DVD that is fantastic! I love it. It has great respect for Baroque traditions but is completely modern. And a lark. It is light entertainment and the costumes are a hoot....though not truly period....still their roots are evident. They are costumes all the way, but work so well with the concept of the show. There are lots of Baroque stage effects in it: A storm at sea, a volcano erupting....it's great fun! The last act takes place among American Indians! Of course the music is divine! Also on BBC Opus/Arte. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:12:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLCoEk028537 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLB83p074139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLB78E036273; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANL6f6O033168 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:06:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.41.55 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:06:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.41.55] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:06:34 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 21:06:37.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAE9FC70:01C5F071] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jANLCoEk028537 Status: RO why in heavens name dont they make period costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLLDGw028768 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:21:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLJlAr074920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLJf35041883; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLJY09041735 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051123211928015003e4m1e>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 Message-Id: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides sand or fiberfill? Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLP4dm028886 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:25:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLOWuZ075515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLOVlC045277; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLOQAW045163 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28c.4a759e (4446) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:24:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/23/2005 4:11:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bear_janet@msn.com writes: I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper Not always...especially with big-wig companies. It's more to do with making it relevant to modern audiences. It's why we have films like "Clueless" ...or "Great Expectations" in modern times. Even "War of the Worlds" should take place in 1898. Sometimes it works and sometimes it's misguided. I don't think is a necessity, that's for sure. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:32:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLWdJ8029090 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLWLKZ076287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLWIf6050538; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANLWAq5050407 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 13:31:17 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 1014, pid: 1017, t: 2.0354s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 13:31:15 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:31:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:19 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote: >I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., >but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions >besides sand or fiberfill? > >Roscelin I'd recommend wool. If you can get some fleece with some lanolin left in, it helps prevent rust. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 16:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANLmN3M029461 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANLm4fa077821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANLm105061258; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANLlrAW061042 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2K25DA5Q47VA for (sender ); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:47:15 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LAH8H2S2; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:46:16 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:07:23 -0600 Message-ID: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 1:0:0 X-MAIL-INFO: 50bdf92cbd4149811da5e158a5b839b88908456558b1016dd57de900b9782d21115cf55cdda89518 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn715+yx87/kwmCK8yRahQ7Lh8Ob9mLe0Tpg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi nk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 17:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANM5O5l030213 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANM54CP079467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANM51QJ073066; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANM4tri072917 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 92048 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2005 22:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2005 22:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4384E784.7080608@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:04:52 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general References: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28c.4a759e.30b63800@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/2005 4:11:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bear_janet@msn.com writes: > > I think frequently they do modern sets and costumes because it's cheaper > > > Not always...especially with big-wig companies. > > It's more to do with making it relevant to modern audiences. It's why we > have films like "Clueless" ...or "Great Expectations" in modern times. > Even "War of the Worlds" should take place in 1898. > > Sometimes it works and sometimes it's misguided. I don't think is a > necessity, that's for sure. I saw Henry V at Stratford festival in Ontario, Canada many years ago that was done up in Edwardian. I was initally irritated, but then I got into it and it is now one of my favorite theatre memories. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 17:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jANMeWCY032698 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:40:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jANMdvSL082878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jANMdqDZ096813; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jANMdmYi096657 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2K57AA3EMNFA for (sender ); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LAJBGWK9; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:38:05 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:23:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Message-ID: <20051123.143717.1632.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 5:2:540434355 X-MAIL-INFO: 0e241da41d5099145099d5d499d549a90c302094f59530e14dc5f53de19d7935e109915424c924b0d1d5a19924d4 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgg+lfYElyvEsvfsuEZvao9g= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ground emery to keep your pins and needles sharp? Failing that, perhaps cedar shavings? Arlys On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:19:28 +0000 roscelinlimoges@comcast.net writes: > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., > but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions > besides sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 21:00:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO20ApD007654 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO1xLTN099445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO1xF28099207; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO1xB1N099128 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bf.64bd16d4 (48552) for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:59:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/23/2005 5:05:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizyoung@fenris.net writes: saw Henry V at Stratford festival in Ontario, Canada many years ago that was done up in Edwardian. I was initally irritated, but then I got into it and it is now one of my favorite theatre memories. *********************** That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. But it worked for that film of Richard III. With these Shakespeare plays, sometimes the actual period doesn't matter. "Three Penny Opera" is supposed to take place at Victoria's coronation....it's even a plot device! But it's usually done in the 1890s....more Jack the Ripper/ Old London-esque. It doesn't really matter....the plot is not as important as the message with Brecht. [I designed it in school and did it 1915...during the War. I did so because of the music, which is Fox Trots and Charlestons.] That 4 hour Hamlet [ I loved it] is done in a militaristic, spy laden turn of the 19th century. Perfect for the atmosphere of the play, really. Not a history though. I've seen "Much Ado About Nothing" [because they need to come back from a war] and "Cosi Fan Tutti" [Because they need to go off to a war] both done during the Civil War. [The "Cosi" didn't work so well. But I love the idea of the saucy, sexy servant, Despina, being a big black Mammy....but they didn't do that in the production.] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 22:38:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO3cQqd009984 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO3bxUu006788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO3bteE043198; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO3bpUf043111 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQF00K9HWQU04SK@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:37:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:37:42 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question In-reply-to: <002e01c5f03b$60575500$1ebfa6d8@pavilion> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks very much for the help! Best Regards- Dame catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 23 23:38:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO4c6tg011308 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO4bpsT011562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO4bmuu069763; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO4bgpx069727 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BF37CA89 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:42:38 +1100 Message-ID: <1132807358.438544be64d64@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:42:38 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mmm, I'm always impressed by McKellen's Richard III set in a 1930s dictatorship, -C. > That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 02:34:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO7YS0k021969 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO7Vehd025126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO7VX4O040903; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO7VUTd040845 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005112407312401400370u2e>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:31:24 +0000 Message-ID: <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:31:04 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > At 09:08 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: > >> have two big quandaries right now. The first is how should the >> undergown fasten? Looking at the sketches of Cecilia Heron and the >> More family, the undergown is definitely NOT front-fastening. Is >> side-lacing period-appropriate or would it be back-laced? I'm trying >> to find images from earlier/later periods, even in other countries, >> particularly of lower-class dress but I'm having little success. >> >> My second question is what pattern should I use for the skirt portion? >> I see skirts of just a few panels all the way to multiple gored >> pieces (like Alcega's farthingale or kirtle for a fat woman f.58a >> patterns). I want to take an authentic bent so I've been scouring >> portraits but I just can't tell and I need to figure this out NOW so >> I can purchase fabric, hopefully this weekend. I do remember one >> earlier portrait (from Spain?) showing a tapestry fabric kirtle >> pieced as in an Alcega gored pattern. And what proportions should I >> do it in? Do I just figure out an appropriate circumferance for the >> hem and take up the rest in pleating? I'm a little leery of doing >> that since I have 50" of waist to deal with and I need plenty of >> fabric to pleat at the back as in the style of the Holbein back view >> sketch. > > Some quick thoughts. > > http://costume.dm.net/fabuse.html is a website that details amounts of > fabrics used for 16th c. women's clothes. I just happened to be > reading it as your question came over the list. It might help you. > > On the kirtle (undergown) and how it fastens, that's something I am > trying to determine as well. The Cunningtons in _Handbook of English > Costume in the 16th Century_ mentions "Fastened down the front to > waist invisibly, probably by hooks and eyes. Occasionally buttoned or > laced." They also mention stomachers (1516/1517) and placards (1547) > that are suitably vague enough to maybe covering the actual fasteners > under the gown. Most images I have seen are not detailed enough to > know for sure what was done under the gown. > > As to the amount of fabric for the skirt to pleat in the back, if you > have even two panels of 45" material, you will have more than plenty > to pleat at the back in that style. I really wouldn't go with more > fabric, and may even consider doing less. It might be something you > might want to drape onto a form and see what gives you the right look. > > Kimiko I wish that the website could help, but not a lot of women back then were ever my size, at least not any pictured (which is why I like Lady Guildford's portrait - she's plump and she's only a little younger than I am - 27). That's why I was really interested to see the Alcega layout for a "fat woman". Here's what I've found so far for depictions of fastening: Front of overgown tied shut, no depiction of undergown fastening, but is not front-fastened Elizabeth Dauncey, 1526-8, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/dauncey.jpg Cecilia Heron, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cecilia.jpg Margaret Grigg, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb5.jpg More Family, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg More Family, 1593 copy, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/moregirls.jpg Front of overgown widely laced shut, no depiction of undergown fastening, but is not front-fastened Catherine of Aragon, 1509, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/aragon.jpg More Family, 1530 copy, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/lockley.jpg Anne Boleyn?, ?, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Anne03.jpg Overgown with placard/stomacher, probably covering up front-tying, probably attached with pins Jane Seymour, 1537, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Mrs. Pemberton, 1540, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/pemberton.jpg Front of overgown closely front-fastened, not laced, probably hook-and-eye (see Margaret) Elizabeth Broughton, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick04.jpg Wife of Thomas Pownder, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/norris01.jpg Lady with a Squirrel, 1527-28, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holbsq.jpg Elizabeth Payne, 1528, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/trivick03.jpg Portrait of a Woman, 1532-35, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/1532woman.jpg Margaret Marchioness of Dorset, 1541, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/margaret.jpg (possibly) Princess Mary, 1544, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/prinmary2.jpg No visible means of closing gown Woman and her children, ?, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb-fam.jpg Lady Henegham, ?, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/henegham.jpg Mary Tudor, 1514-15, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Tudor,Marysketch.jpg Mary Tudor, 1515, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/marytudor.jpg Unknown Woman (was Margaret Tudor), 1520, http://www.npg.org.uk/live/OC_Data/images/weblg/0/2/mw04202.jpg Catherine of Aragon, 1525, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cathyold1.jpg Anne Boleyn, 1525-27, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/boleyn1525.jpg Anne Cresacre, 1526-27, http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneCresacre.jpg Lady Guildford, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg Mary Zouch, 1530's, http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/maryzouch.jpeg Margaret Pole, 1535, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Pole,Margaret(CSalisbury)02.jpg Elizabeth Widmerpole, 1536, http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/1536_Widmerpole.jpg Miniature of an Unknown Lady (Catherine Howard), 1541, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/choward.jpg What's going on here (all open-fronts)? Diane de Poitires (by Jean Clouet), http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/QM0KEZ/02-008694.jpg Madeleine d'Astarac (by Jean Clouet), http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/W6NWFJ/02-008827.jpg Marie de Guise (by Lyon), ?, http://tudorhistory.org/people/guise/maryguise.jpg Other artists I plan to investigate active during the Tudor time: Jean Perreal (France), Levina Teerlinc, Hilliard -- Elinor Salter Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 04:30:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO9U6VJ013149 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:30:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO9TYYq033482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9TUun086965; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9TRNn086934 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAO9TL520400.; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:21 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:21 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:29:07 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAO9TRNn086934 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I think sometimes a history play is costumed as a later period to make the audience aware of the similarities with the political situation in an era that they're more familiar with (if that makes sense). I remember enjoying the BBC TV Shakespeare production of "All's Well that Ends Well" set in the mid-17th century, with beautiful Vermeer-like interiors and military scenes based on paintings of the period. The only opera I've seen in modern dress was a production of "Aida" at the Brighton Festival, with the male leads in modern military uniform. Radames rather spoiled the effect by wearing his Sam Browne belt incorrectly! I can understand Bjarne's disappointment, but, as AlbertCat points out, should "correct" dress for Monteverdi be authentic classical costume or a reproduction of Baroque theatrical costume? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> stilskin@netspace.net.au 24/11/2005 04:42 >>> Mmm, I'm always impressed by McKellen's Richard III set in a 1930s dictatorship, -C. > That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 04:52:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAO9qpCj015121 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAO9qO4P035064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9qMXf095374; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAO9qIjP095347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0269.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.15]:2417 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EfDm5-0007h7-Ep for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <43858D52.5070803@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:52:18 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - pin cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think sheeps wool is the best stuff for stuffing, has enough natural oil to allow pins and needles to slide in and out easily, and keeps the pins and needles from rusting as well. Fiber fill seems to stop pins from sliding into the cushion a lot of times, but wool doesn't do this. our ancestors used fine saw dust also. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 06:50:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOBojC5006012 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOBoGGM043299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOBoCX9037707; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOBo8R7037649 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74933 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2005 11:50:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UHLDYCipknEtOJwQ/UtNZD3takRt/ghwKcGr50nMvY87tpid5WF4Ji1V8O34oAnxa1iPFNi4Cz7LXyX6pR+CGiCXHtawc+5xd7zKzOzuHg3M+ypuJuni8+eVGhjWGJPyoUY7BST97ueZyxUJ8jvyGo9cSp9+k5oZxmjzX5duZr0= ; Message-ID: <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.192.34.230] by web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:50:01 PST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I > remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) > However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. The BBC has these as 1500's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm assuming these are the same knitted mitten and vest you saw, Suzi, and not a different set. Also, if these are, the vest is knitted?!? I can't tell that from the photograph, and that (16th cen, let alone 14th!) would be excitingly early for a knitted body-garment! Stephanie __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 07:23:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOCNE21013813 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOCMnhD048032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCMkjw050671; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCMiW8050610 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:22:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8645DD8267 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10512-09 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4DB8D8263 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a601c5f0f1$bec715b0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unspun wool. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historic Costuming" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 07:57:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOCv4QD021536 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:57:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOCuSng056145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOCuQIO065052; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOCuMOV064988 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 49837 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 12:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 12:56:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:56:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? In-Reply-To: <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:50 24/11/2005, you wrote: > > the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I > > remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the >dig.) > > However, I will be making proper notes next week and >will pass them on. > >The BBC has these as 1500's: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm > >assuming these are the same knitted mitten and vest >you saw, Suzi, and not a different set. Also, if >these are, the vest is knitted?!? I can't tell that >from the photograph, and that (16th cen, let alone >14th!) would be excitingly early for a knitted >body-garment! Yes, definitely knitted - I thought they were earlier, but if that is what the Museum has put out for publicity, that will be right. I seem to remember that the mitten and the vest were knitted at roughly the same size of stitches. I will take notes, and pictures if possible, next week when I revisit. In a social situation it was a bit difficult to do more than scribble a few reminders. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 10:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOFVoZs025782 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFVBbJ079932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFV7Le034479; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFV2Tx034326 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-64-105-26-31.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[64.105.26.31]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2005112415305611300sjrfje>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:30:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051124072356.0206bbe0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:30:54 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re:[h-cost] theater opera costumes in general In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc4041269@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:04:19 +0100 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Subject: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general >To: >Message-ID: <000a01c5f069$17845cf0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi the list. >I went to an opera with the oldest opera ever performed, Monteverdis >Olysses. >Music and orchestra was very impressive but the costumes! >I would like to ask you who might makes costumes for stage, why does it have >to be modern and artistic? >I have the feeling it is an intempt to try to drag more people to come to >theaters, that they make the costumes modern and artistic. >I am totally disagreable in this, i hate the very guts of those stupid, and >tedious scenografers, who destroys my want to go and have a fantastic time, >i was so disapointed and i could just as well have gone to a cd shop and buy >the opera, and stay home. >What are your oppinons about this, why in heavens name dont they make period >costumes, what is wrong with this, and would the modern audiense hate this? > >Bjarne....................... The simple answer is innovation. Producers and directors of opera are always trying to be innovative, to bring something new and fresh and different to opera and Shakespeare and classical literature. They can't mess with the words and music, those are set in stone (unless you're Franco Zefferelli who thinks he knows better than Verdi how La Traviata and Othello should end, but that's another story). So the only thing left to them is the production itself - the sets and costumes. I sometimes think that because they =can't= mess with the words and music, they go way overboard with with they can and do change around. If you present a production in correct period sets and costumes you're seen as having no imagination and the rest of the opear/theatre world dismisses you (and likely the rest of your career) as a no-talent hack. The opera world is astonishingly vicious. It may sound ugly, but that's the truth. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 10:48:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOFmGPr026242 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFlqjp083732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFloZo044783; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFlkUJ044730 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.bd.653467da (4459) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:47:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/24/2005 10:32:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: If you present a production in correct period sets and costumes you're seen as having no imagination and the rest of the opera/theatre world dismisses you ***************************** Not exactly. You all seem to forget that period accurate costumes and sets don't always work. They are fine for people interested in history....and even then they may be historically interesting but not dramatically interesting or a service to the production. We live in the 21st century, not the 17th. The only advantage that period interps of period shows have is that they automatically have a legitimate reason for being used with said play or opera or whatever. I just think that period designs have as much a chance at being awful and irrelevant as modern designs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 11:56:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOGu1bG028385 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOGtUHI089149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOGtR63075837; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFOPQc031306 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAOFOQug003215 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:24:26 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.57.205] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-57-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.57.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOFOGL6150682 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:24:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051124064427.026967b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:45:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A0 9010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but >not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides >sand or fiberfill? Bran? Rice husks? I've even used dryer lint. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 11:57:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOGvNkU028466 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOGuAW7089218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOGuBdV076217; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOFuFw7048463 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.103.6dcba97d (18251) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:56:07 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <103.6dcba97d.30b73c97@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:56:07 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Plays and operas in different periods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For me, a professional costume designer as well as a costume designer in education, it is always more fun to place a well-known play in a different period that the period in which it was written. But I speak selfishly. It needs to be made clear, here that it works best with well-known classics such as Shakespeare, Moliere, or the Greek and Roman plays. If the theme relates well to a different time in history, then it seems to work very well. Even the Shakespearean plays weren't placed "in period" at their time but in a curious mismash of the Elizabethan interpretation of, say, Roman with Renaissance interpretation including doublets and hose. And I think a play or opera from the Baroque period would be great fun if it was designed in the style of the opera costumes of Baroque period, although, as it was pointed out previously, those weren't "period", either, but appear rather strange to the contemporary eye. I have a British director that I design for who always insists on "the period, Darling, of course", without considering the possibilities. So we've had a "Macbeth" in 12th century or so Scotland (fun, anyway because the research was so much fun plus, given that we built 90% of the show a pretty easy time due to the T-shape construction methods of the time). She wanted "Hamlet" in "the period, Darling", but the budget and time constraints wouldn't have allowed for it, so she was talked into an Erte look with Early Jacobean touches. That said, some of the most fun I have had as a designer have been the following plays placed out of period: "Romeo and Juliet"-French Directoire "Measure for Measure"-Antebellum New Orleans "As You Like It"-1960's Hippies vs. Jet Setters "Taming of the Shrew"-California Gold Rush "Pericles"-Vague Gypsy "Midsummer Night's Dream"-An all white court in Renaissance Doublets for the men, pseudo-Greek draperies for the ladies and a host of Punk-inspired fairies (sounds dreadful, but worked very well) I also recall a "Tempest" at Yale back in the '70's which took place on Mars, a "Measure for Measure" at the Royal Shakespeare in Stratford set in the 18th Century (wonderful production), and a very bad "Twelfth Night" at the Young Vic set in the 1930's (it wasn't the costumes which made it bad, it was the stage direction) And I'm sure there are many more that skip my mind as I rattle off this email. Sometimes it's done because time and budget constraints don't allow for the actual period, sometimes because the director wants to "visit" the play in a new play. After it's all over and done, the question to ask is did the chosen play/opera/ballet support the playwright's, etc. original vision? If it didn't, then I would say the choice is not particularly successful. Long post, between bread (rising), pies (in the oven) and stuffing (next on my list) Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans on this list, and Peace on Earth to all of us. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 13:20:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOIKZcW030900 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:20:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOIJwxT096480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOIJqHB016643; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAOIJoHT016605 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 89666 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2005 18:19:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bWljKxGXMgnukp55tH/3WURUFMyLBtX2mDtzqqgRPVaDZ1bIpVlrOkFzcrDXINuERRzqO3hBKG2EzE4WZNua2U8hiRocaij4Hsxs6hVwi6KWeWrn4R+4Z9fbNifq1xGhnplGbfwjuixdocgSWatO0MKSO1/oURcUrMb+e9A3CMo= ; Message-ID: <20051124181945.89664.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:19:45 EST Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc3041269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Tudor Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This isn't my period per se, but something jumped out at me in this group of sources you have listed. I don't know if you listed them together for the same reason they caught my attention, however I thought I would make the observation. Most of these women are quite pregnant. That I suspect explains the closure oddities. Forgive me for jumping in part way into this thread, I haven't been following it. I have Alcega, which "Fat woman" pattern do you want - there are several. Frankly, they look no different than the not-fat woman patterns. I think its accounting for greater fabric usage, nothing more. The major difference between a large woman and a regular woman, for the most part anyway, is the depth of the armscye. I think most plus women have regular frames which makes their shoulders narrow, but the larger girth (as much as I hate that word in this context) makes it harder to get those curves to meet up. Often I will buy a shirt pattern that fits my shoulders and add in the extra from bust to hip so that the critical fitting is already done. I could be completely off base from the intended topic, so I digress. Interestingly though, because they are pregnant, the lacing is quite wide and appears to be that ladder lacing well known amongst the later era Venetians. One has to wonder if this is the genesis for that style? Having a slightly opened bodice showing the lacing and chemise, suggesting fertility? That style of bodice closure appears in Venice not long after their first round with the plague, they employed any number of visual illusions to imply ample fecundity right about that time. Kathy That's why I was really interested to > see the Alcega layout > for a "fat woman". > > Here's what I've found so far for depictions of > fastening: > > Front of overgown tied shut, no depiction of > undergown fastening, but is > not front-fastened > Elizabeth Dauncey, 1526-8, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/dauncey.jpg > Cecilia Heron, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cecilia.jpg > Margaret Grigg, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb5.jpg > More Family, 1527, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg > More Family, 1593 copy, > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/moregirls.jpg It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 15:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOKmnsr003106 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:48:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOKmLt0007123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOKmGWq081064; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOKmAcd081016 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EfO0n-000Chp-6V for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:48:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:47:02 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume References: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about "anachronistic low-rise jeans" ! Jean Karen R Bergquist wrote >http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi >nk >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 17:03:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOM37Se005403 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:03:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOM2XFF013454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2TFX011571; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2P4s011534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-215.sonic.net [209.148.113.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOM2OFA003482 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:02:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43863873.9030800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:02:27 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume References: <20051123.150724.-114255583.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 1990s are vintage? At least it means most of us can dress in real authentic vintage just by mining the back of the closet. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Vintage Clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Karen R Bergquist wrote > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi >> >> nk > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 17:22:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOMMZ6U006041 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:22:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAOMMEtd015005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOMMCF7018875; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAOMM73O018830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-165-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.165]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAOMM5Lp019559 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:06 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 18:26:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAONQbY9008000 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:26:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAONPkvC019867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAONPfRs043438; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAONPbN3043359 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.27e.547c6e (3948) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <27e.547c6e.30b7a5e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:25:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: theater opera costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just think that period designs have as much a chance at being awful and irrelevant as modern designs. Of course they do - bad design is just bad design. Just as good design is good design, whether period or modern. (as an aside, my college costume tutor used to tell a wonderful story about how she'd put bias cut panels into a boned bodice for an opera (the theory being that it would make it easier to take a big breath) when she was a student, and her tutor, (Janet Arnold, no less), made her take it apart and start again, because 'it's wrong, and if you're going to make it historically you should make it properly'.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 19:47:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP0lw0s010384 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:47:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP0lCNM025401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP0l7Dk073683; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAP0l1N7073623 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32340 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 00:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 00:46:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125004404.01d128f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:46:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:22 24/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from >Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I >was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find >is hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my >corset (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my >corset) so has anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short >busk? My thought so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty >hook & eye at either the top or the bottom, but I think I remember >later 19th century corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of >lacing below the busk (I used a library copy of corsets and >crinolines so I don't have it with me to check). If anyone has >experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing with a busk can you >tell me what worked and what didn't. >thanks >Elizabeth Jean Hunnisett would use hooks and eyes at the top of a short busk, having taped a steel bone to the busk in order to lengthen the support part. I also get my husband to cut a sections from a straight busk (I'm not strong enough) and I tape them to the top of a short busk. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 20:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP1tFL3012306 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP1sq6C029445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP1sjON097544; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP1sf0x097500 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1da.489d71ad (3890) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.489d71ad.30b7c8d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:54:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/24/2005 3:49:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about "anachronistic low-rise jeans" ! ************************ Hahahaha! Or ....black clothes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 24 21:09:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP29I9q012684 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:09:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP23p6b030046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP23nvR000912; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP23V9g000791 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.155.5d2da934 (3890) for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <155.5d2da934.30b7cae9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/24/2005 7:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Jean Hunnisett would use hooks and eyes at the top of a short busk, ******************* I put it at the bottom, because if there is a crinkle or lump there because of it, it ends up under the petticoat and skirt. [I might put it at the top for Bustle or later, since there's usually some fru-fru or buttons around the bust area in those periods and the hip area might be fitted and smooth.] I just run a bone long enough to go from top to bottom right next to the busk. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 02:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP7gNtU031342 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP7fmoa053198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP7fg4u023099; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP7fb6i023011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Quebelle@web.de) Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id jAP7fVLG022567 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Received: from [213.39.188.230] by freemailng1004.web.de with HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:41:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1443414663@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Quebelle@web.de To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Precedence: fm-user Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] I am new! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? Greetings from Hamburg Yours Silvia Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 03:37:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP8bZFr013205 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:37:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP8b9S6057099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP8b7nl042358; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP8b4OD042322 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804C4BE637 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:36:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:37:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I buy my busks here. http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm They sell the very long busks. I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk was too short and they looked ugly. They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very easy to see. Greetings, Deredere Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from > Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was > looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is > hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset > (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has > anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought > so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either > the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century > corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I > used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with > me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or > lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. > thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 04:55:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAP9t4hN028335 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAP9sU7G063208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP9sQFv067189; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAP9sLol067165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:54:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-165-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.165]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAP9sIOU017834 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:54:19 +1100 Message-ID: <000b01c5f1a6$37211fb0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:54:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I looked at Vena Cava but they don't have 1/2 inch spiral boning in pre cut lengths, they only have it in rolls and I don't want to have to cut it up myself as by the time I've bought a decent pair of bolt cutters it would be just as expensive as buying from http://www.corsetmaking.com/ (they have all the pieces I need but it would cost me about $20 more than if I used 1/4 inch boning from vena cava) Hedgehog handworks has everything I want except for the long busk, for about the same price as vena cava (less than $1 difference once I convert it into Australian dollars) Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > Hi, > > I buy my busks here. > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > They sell the very long busks. > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > was too short and they looked ugly. > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > easy to see. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from >> Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was >> looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is >> hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset >> (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has >> anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought so >> far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either the >> top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century corsets >> (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I used a >> library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with me to >> check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or lacing >> with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. >> thanks >> Elizabeth >> -------------------------------------------- >> Elizabeth Walpole >> Canberra Australia >> ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >> http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/182 - Release Date: 24/11/2005 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 10:17:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPFHGlV003153 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:17:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPFFIuP006462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFFEbY091613; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFFBh6091584 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so1732631wra for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jnrMdPhLoabdoQJZbEhrnPcH6FFnMniAssRA9IdzIp6vbrKT1eamvRlB2UloTE9mX23NJueA8T+faWIgUFcUVpiVwipMYfq6oIylGXKaLJmQkbjhQxC68ZP60X1hDyo1rweydVoveWeFJ6+Vov3ODeI85I6MTM2F8bgszm2HURU= Received: by 10.65.122.18 with SMTP id z18mr8684582qbm; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:11 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAPFFBh6091584 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greenberg and Hammer have corset busks as short as 6" and longer ones in 11" 12" 14" and 17" lengths. https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 They also have ones with gold colered studs. Katy On 11/25/05, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I buy my busks here. > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > They sell the very long busks. > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > was too short and they looked ugly. > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > easy to see. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > I've almost finished making a victorian corset (1850s pattern from > > Corsets and Crinolines) which I'm ready to put the boning in and I was > > looking for sources of boning and the cheapest source I can find is > > hedgehog handworks, but they don't have busk long enough for my corset > > (their longest busk is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) so has > > anyone worked out the best way to make up for a short busk? My thought > > so far was to add an extra bone with a heavy duty hook & eye at either > > the top or the bottom, but I think I remember later 19th century > > corsets (1880s or 90s) with a few inches of lacing below the busk (I > > used a library copy of corsets and crinolines so I don't have it with > > me to check). If anyone has experimented with either hooks & eyes or > > lacing with a busk can you tell me what worked and what didn't. > > thanks > > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Walpole > > Canberra Australia > > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 10:27:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPFRROV003579 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPFR4vW007367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPFR2Kg096925; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAPFQuEl096819 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 99885 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 15:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 15:26:50 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:26:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:15 25/11/2005, you wrote: >Greenberg and Hammer have corset busks as short as 6" and longer ones >in 11" 12" 14" and 17" lengths. > >https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 > >They also have ones with gold colered studs. > >Katy > >On 11/25/05, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I buy my busks here. > > http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftBusks.htm > > They sell the very long busks. > > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk > > was too short and they looked ugly. > > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very > > easy to see. Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see that an extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I have some old spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine when I tape the extra piece on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 12:18:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPHIrHJ013723 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPHIGV4018044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHIDse052151; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHIAqi052125 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:18:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61E54024C for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb33.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.15ff1 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dh0dSKZmKxwIAAAAB,80ba6e8f0f9ef6d307ca7336a61c0121 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did you look at Farthingales? http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php They have straight busks up to 16" long, for up to CDN$22.49 ( AUS$26.20 ). I also thought that these are an interesting idea ( new from the last time I had a browse through their site ) - http://www.farthingales.on.ca/lacing_bones.php But, yes, Hedgehog Handworks has a really good price. If you will forgive my asking, how long is the front of your corset? ( Just curious/interested. ) Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 12:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPHdXSn014452 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:39:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPHd6c7020102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHd4Th062610; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPHcxkH062581 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309B53FC5E for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.160d0 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dh0wzu+ZRggIAAAAB,ddec943d9aad1b9506b7cfc86c4b62ce Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051125093859.BAD97571@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One thing that I found interesting about Baz Luhrman's 'Romeo and Juliet', was that he didn't change the dialogue to modern speech, but kept the language of the original script/play, and after the first realization of the fact that the characters are speaking Elizabethan English, you totally forgot about it - it was just a part of the movie. ( At least, I forgot about it - it just fitted the movie so well. ) Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPILSU5015939 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:21:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIKjRS024444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKjGT083218; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKeut083172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jAPICrfN018440 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:12:53 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:38 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger versions of the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - 1500 should download and read the PDF, really. Go here: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closure.asp -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "The result is that Black Friday generally ends up ranking as the fifth biggest sales day of the year at most, behind the four days comprising the two weekends before Christmas." -- Snopes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:22:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPIM4V1015972 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIKNbB024393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKKQV082988; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIKGdJ082796 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:20:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.252c242 (48624) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:20:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/25/2005 12:39:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Joannah@sluggy.net writes: after the first realization of the fact that the characters are speaking Elizabethan English, you totally forgot about it ********************* Horrors! To forget about all that amazingly beautiful language! :-P OK OK....I know what you really meant. But that happens for me even in a period version of Shakespeare. I mean it's just MODERN English after all. It's not Middle or Old English, y'know. Shakespeare rarely used now obsolete words and sometimes, but not THAT much, archaic meanings to perfectly good Modern English words.....and then the meanings are usually perfectly clear via context. The 1st thing to realize is that Shakespeare is not some language unto its own. Just very good and creative English. Getting back to your original notion of "forgetting" the "not conversational" English....IOW being swept along with the idea of it all... This happens in opera too. Like Shakespeare, the word "opera" immediately puts up a wall for a lot of people. It's too high brow to understand! That wall in both cases is an illusion. After you "get" everyone in opera is singing [with supertitles and subtitled film, the language isn't that much of a barrier anymore], that "disappears" too and one just goes with the flow. The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America anyway, by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 13:40:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPIetQu016620 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPIeS9e026360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPIePF2092708; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAPIeLeU092617 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1239 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 18:40:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:39:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest? In-Reply-To: <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger >versions of the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, >it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - >1500 should download and read the PDF, really. > >Go here: >http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closure.asp I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great series of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the craftspeople, and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 14:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPJg2pn018647 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPJeSYN031062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPJePFM021100; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPJeLWL021072 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71641338D1 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I am new! Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:40:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <1443414663@web.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For a start, this has become one of my favorite sites. http://www.vintagetextile.com/victorian.htm Victorian is not my field of interest so I will let others who are tell you their sites and tips. De -----Original Message----- Hi, I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? Greetings from Hamburg Yours Silvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 16:06:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAPL61q6021575 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAPL5ZXY038863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPL5WZG059923; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAPL5SVb059873 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B6833BB31 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:05:15 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> References: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:05:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: high brow stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:20 AM -0700 11/25/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from >enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in >America anyway, >by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that >seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of >their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. And then there are the great Baltimore Opera ads-- "Opera it's better than you think, it has to be..." with some very good graphics as background... ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 19:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ0g1dp028894 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ0fR2X058937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ0fMaH054255; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQ0fL9I054166 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99340 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2005 00:41:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YhLzIKjHuKYMHMIdYaBcFzCsLSfYQIvYiIxu7WYb6fUn8hgK2tQqlnp1ZoH/Mgt/IYVyyGFyNFctwkzzUgixCxHsDW7d6afCu1esutnID6I6ciU32NPotzLdcJ70TX12H0fm1fdDa3A/P8/gqj9iUZRrMSXWfn/gklDN2IqrpuE= ; Message-ID: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:14 PST Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to 17": https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 And compare their boning prices. If you have already purchased your boning, by all means ignore this. Ann in CT Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I was looking for sources of boning and the cheapest > source I can find is hedgehog handworks, but they don't > have busk long enough for my corset (their longest busk > is about 2-3 inches shorter than my corset) > > Elizabeth __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 20:14:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ1EZZY029993 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:14:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ1EEe5061816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1ECOQ067329; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1E8GR067273 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D294061E for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:14:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4387B6FC.60803@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:14:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I am new! References: <1443414663@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1443414663@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quebelle@web.de wrote: > > Hi, > > I am from German and look for victorian dressmaking- can you help me? > Welcome. There are many folks here who know Victorian. What are you working on? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 20:29:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ1TI16030476 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:29:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ1T2nS063280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1T12t073959; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1St9M073918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ1SqEv018094 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:28:54 +1100 Message-ID: <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:28:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > Did you look at Farthingales? > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php > > They have straight busks up to 16" long, for up to CDN$22.49 ( > AUS$26.20 ). > > I also thought that these are an interesting idea ( new from the last time > I had a browse through their site ) - > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/lacing_bones.php > > But, yes, Hedgehog Handworks has a really good price. > > If you will forgive my asking, how long is the front of your corset? ( > Just curious/interested. ) > > Joannah. > the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with cutting up the boning myself. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 20:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ1hlE5030889 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:43:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ1hMtP064239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1hF5m079785; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ1hBL9079740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:43:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ1h84D014405 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:43:10 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:43:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk > > If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I > direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this > item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to > 17": > https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 > > And compare their boning prices. > > If you have already purchased your boning, by all > means ignore this. > > Ann in CT > Well, I've got to look outside Australia as to my knowledge there isn't an Australian supplier of spiral boning (I know of one SCA merchant who offers flat steels and I won't see them untill next easter anyway) But Greenberg & Hammer have the same problem as most of the other stores they don't offer 1/2 inch spiral steel in pre-cut lengths, following the advice I seem to read everywhere that if you're above a C cup 1/4 inch steels won't give enough support I'm looking for 1/2 inch steels but I don't want to cut my own, because I'm hoping this will be the only corset I'll have to make with spiral bones, so learning how to apply the tips for one corset would be more trouble than it's worth (not to mention buying a pair of bolt cutters to cut it). Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 21:45:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ2jGI6032727 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ2iinW068743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2ifWI007099; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2iZEC007042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-105-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.105]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAQ2iX26001422 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:44:35 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135><20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl><3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:44:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk >> > was too short and they looked ugly. >> > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very >> > easy to see. > > > Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see that an > extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I have some old > spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine when I tape the extra > piece on. > > Suzi Suzi, Can you describe the way you attach an extra busk piece, as it must be different to the method Deredere has seen if one is obvious and the other isn't. I'm assuming you would have to use gaffer tape (AKA duct tape) for the strength and I'm wondering how you would get the requisite strength in the join without creating lumps in the finished corset. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 25 21:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ2q8Zm000467 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:52:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ2pqwt069175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2ppYB009791; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ2phHc009732 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-44.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.44]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2005 10:51:37 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <4387CF5E.70003@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:58:38 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk References: <20051126004114.99338.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000f01c5f22a$bec5f600$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is an Australian supplier - I'm now getting my stuff from them - contact me for details but you'll have to drive to Sydney to look at what you want. Aylwen http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:41 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: too short victorian busk > > >> >> If you're already looking outside of Australia, may I >> direct you to Greenberg & Hammer, specifically this >> item, pop-front busks with silver clasp, from 6" to >> 17": >> https://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=195 >> >> And compare their boning prices. >> >> If you have already purchased your boning, by all >> means ignore this. >> >> Ann in CT >> > > Well, I've got to look outside Australia as to my knowledge there > isn't an Australian supplier of spiral boning (I know of one SCA > merchant who offers flat steels and I won't see them untill next > easter anyway) > But Greenberg & Hammer have the same problem as most of the other > stores they don't offer 1/2 inch spiral steel in pre-cut lengths, > following the advice I seem to read everywhere that if you're above a > C cup 1/4 inch steels won't give enough support I'm looking for 1/2 > inch steels but I don't want to cut my own, because I'm hoping this > will be the only corset I'll have to make with spiral bones, so > learning how to apply the tips for one corset would be more trouble > than it's worth (not to mention buying a pair of bolt cutters to cut it). > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 01:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ6YE1d007383 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ6XZ1w088881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ6XV70094842; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQ6XQ7Z094789 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70007 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 06:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 06:33:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126062247.01d81470@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:32:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000701c5f145$7e2d69b0$a5d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <20051125083659.804C4BE637@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <3586f5070511250715y55ec6502w4b3799aa6046a23c@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125152408.01d814a8@127.0.0.1> <004801c5f233$52d4f870$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:44 26/11/2005, you wrote: > >>> > I don't know if they are cheap but I have seen corsets where the busk >>> > was too short and they looked ugly. >>> > They cut a piece of an other busk and taped it together but is is very >>> > easy to see. >> >> >>Never had any complaints from my customers, but then you can't see >>that an extra piece has been added. At least not the way I do it. I >>have some old spoon busks which are way too short, but work fine >>when I tape the extra piece on. >> >>Suzi > >Suzi, >Can you describe the way you attach an extra busk piece, as it must >be different to the method Deredere has seen if one is obvious and >the other isn't. I'm assuming you would have to use gaffer tape (AKA >duct tape) for the strength and I'm wondering how you would get the >requisite strength in the join without creating lumps in the finished corset. >Thanks, >Elizabeth I use electrical tape, which is sturdy and much finer than duct tape. I have a collection of old spoon busks which I use, but they are barely 10" long, so my husband cuts a modern busk to make the length I need, making sure that there is as much spare steel as possible below the bottom stud and loop. Then I just bind them together with the tape. It may be a difference in construction technique as well. The corsets I make for VictorianEdwardian are single layer, with the front busk edge and the back lacing edge both faced with the same material (broche). I use twill rape sewn over the seams to hold the bones. I have made corsets for a lady with an FF bust, and still use narrow spiral steels, but use two laid side by side in each tape. This gives plenty of support and means I don't go looking for wider steels. I make corsets all the rime, and have never used wider steels for any of them, no matter what size. Hope this helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 03:52:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ8qRYo024664 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQ8puxZ008050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ8poVn049024; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQ8pkG2049013 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3844B54B1 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:37:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions (next step - bodice) In-Reply-To: <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:31 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote: >I wish that the website could help, but not a lot of women back then were >ever my size, at least not any pictured (which is why I like Lady >Guildford's portrait - she's plump and she's only a little younger than I >am - 27). That's why I was really interested to see the Alcega layout for >a "fat woman". Thank you for sharing those resource images. I have seen or have most of them, but a few were new to me. I am also a larger woman (about 20-22 in Women's size) and have had 3 kids, one recently, so I understand the size differences. However, there isn't that much differences in fabric usage in a good layout from a normal woman's size, to a larger one. Well, lets look at Alcega's layouts. Compare Alcega's layouts and fabric requirements in his various garments for a "fat woman". Kirtle of silk for a woman: 6 1/8 x 2/3 ells Silk kirtle for a fat woman: 7 1/2 x 2/3 ells Kirtle of cloth for a fat woman: 2 1/4 x 2 ells Kirtle of cloth rash: 2 x 2 ells (cloth rash has no nap) Kirtle of cloth rash for a fat woman: 2 1/4 x 2 ells In this case, kirtle appears to be a skirt only, not the complete skirt and bodice of earlier times, but different than the Skirt that is shown in a different diagram. Also something I am just noting is that there are layouts for "kirtle and bodice" or "kirtle and little jerkin" for women, but none are shown for fat women. I am not sure why this is. The thing I am leary with looking at Alcega's patterns is that it is for the 1580s, and styles for that time frame are different than the earlier Tudor time frame. I recently got a hold of a book from the library on Spanish garments, Hispanic Costume: 1480 - 1530 by Ruth M. Anderson. Let me look over the images again, and see if there are any insights to be gained from that book. I know I got a lot on the men's garments, especially the bases, but the women's garments appear to be very different than the Tudor style. And I have some of Livinia Teerlinks images, but those were miniatures, and hard to determine what they wore. She also comes into Henry VIII's service in 1546 according to the book I have, so her Tudor minis are going to be a later time frame than you are looking at. I have an image that her father, Simon Benninck (sometimes spelled Bennick or Bening) painted that shows ladies in various outdoor situations wearing Tudor garments (c.1540). There is no visible means of closures on the outer gowns, and he shows both front and back views. They are at the V&A museum, and I have found color images online, but not in any good detail. They also would not be English, but I think Flemish in location. http://66.102.7.104/u/vam?q=cache:bnvSW5a1woUJ:www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11732-popup.html+bening&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 That is one, and I can't seem to find the other right now. Hilliard wasn't born until 1547, so his images will not be helpful for your time frame. I don't know anything about Jean Perreal, so I will check him out as well. hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCJ5Nb002529 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:19:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCISBa031680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCIK2E030069; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCID1j029890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508E1150118 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20902-02-10 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5CF715005E for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:18:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:17:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from > enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America > anyway, > by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts > that > seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of > their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was a child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally unpleasant people, but every evening, they played opera music. LOUDLY. And three seasons of the year, they had their windows wide open, so the whole neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. I got bettah.. :-) I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of my most cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which my parents gave me for Christmas when I was sixteen. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCc5P5005675 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCbh1N033231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCbfec038473; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQCbcLX038389 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7922 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 12:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 12:37:32 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126122959.01d77780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:37:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-Reply-To: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:17 26/11/2005, you wrote: >>The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from >>enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in >>America anyway, >>by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts that >>seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of >>their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. > > >Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was >a child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally >unpleasant people, but every evening, they played opera music. >LOUDLY. And three seasons of the year, they had their windows wide >open, so the whole neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. > >I got bettah.. :-) > >I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of >my most cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which >my parents gave me for Christmas when I was sixteen. I too love Shakespeare, even though my first experience as a very young child, was watching an all female company "do" Merchant of Venice". I think I must have read Lamb's Tales From Shakespeare, as I waited with trepidation for Shylock to bare "his" breast in the trial scene!! Then my aunt took me to my first RSC production (1952) and I was hooked - we lived in Stratford on Avon, where you either loved it or hated it. And I saw some really weird versions I must say! Also in the winter there were productions of opera, and I mostly loved that, although now I prefer earlier rather than later (Last year was a French production of a Rameau opera date late 17th /early 18th century, with naked people, trampolines, and weeeird costumes, but the music was bliss.) But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 07:51:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQCpt5C009060 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQCpaC7034193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCpYSB043705; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQCpUZm043678 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.124]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A09C326281A for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:51:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:51:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question about velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and skirts......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:02:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQE2MQr021811 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:02:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQE1vCH039816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQE1sJm071857; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQE1p46071838 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m218.in-tch.com [216.166.191.218]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAQDsJk27557 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:08:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm with Dianne on this one, although my "opera wall" doesn't come with a set of rude neighbors! ;-D I just plain don't like most 19th century music (or a fair amount of 20th century music). I don't have much appreciation for any book or movie or art form that has a lot of over-the-top drama in it. Since I got out of adolescence, I've also not been much of a fan of musicals (liked them as a kid just fine, and there are a few I enjoy now, but it's not something I'll normally spend money on ). I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). The local university's in the middle of working on a production of _Marriage of Figaro_, and I'm going to see that. ;o) --Sue, who's musical prefernces pick up again in the 1960s, with exceptions for composers like Aaron Copeland..... OCC: Currently sorting through in-house wool and linen stash for makings for some 10th c. (western) Norse outfits. What's everyon else doing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays > > > The non-existent wall that prevents otherwise intelligent people from > > enjoying these delights of Opera and Shakespeare is sewn, here in America > > anyway, > > by the anti-intellectual brigade. Those usually sports-soaked numb-nuts > > that > > seem to be "kewl" in school and never really leave college for the rest of > > their lives. Ignorance is bliss....I guess. > > > Actually, my "opera wall" (tee hee) was caused by living, when I was a > child, next door to some opera fans. Not only were they generally unpleasant > people, but every evening, they played opera music. LOUDLY. And three > seasons of the year, they had their windows wide open, so the whole > neighboorhood could "enjoy" their music. > > I got bettah.. :-) > > I've loved Shakespeare since the first time I encountered it. One of my most > cherished books is the Complete Works of Shakespeare, which my parents gave > me for Christmas when I was sixteen. > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:31:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQEVXKF022910 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQEVCvl042461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEVBDR083578; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEV6aV083502 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.129.6a25dbad (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:30:49 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Opera and ballet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/26/2005 9:02:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic? ******************* He's "Classical"....with Haydn and Beethoven. And there are lots of Baroque and Classical operas. My faves too. I like the stylized, non-realistic approach of these operas. "Le Nozzi di Figaro" is my fave. But I also like a lot of 19th century fare. Who doesn't like Rossini? Verdi is awfully good...well can be. Of course one can do a dreadful production of a great opera, y'know. And I must admit that "Die Valkure" is a lot of "fun" in that melodramatic way. But you really have to prepare for Wagner. It must be remembered that when people say "I don't like opera", it's like saying "I don't like cheese". There's a million different kinds!!!!! Four centuries worth. "L'Orfeo" is nothing like "Wozzek"! Both are great in their own way. And.... was it Suzi who didn't like Ballet? But you loved Rameau? About 1/3 of his operas ARE ballet! I love ballet but I admit I go for those Balenchine no costume/ no sets pieces to great music. "La Sylphide" is a big bore!.... with mediocre music. However "Giselle" is divine [especially Act II]....with mediocre music. But Delibes &Tchaikovsky changed all that mediocre music "tradition". One of the best works of art EVER created is Balenchine's "The Four Temperaments". The music was written in 1940 by Hindemith and is really good....a theme with 4 variations [one for each temperament] for strings and a piano....like a concerto. The choreography is perfection. No sets....no costumes. It's on DVD but the music is out of sync by like 1/2 a second and I can't stand it! I know it's wrong because I have it on VHS and have watched it a million times. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 09:38:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQEcGoQ023177 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:38:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQEc03g042899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEbxCr086155; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQEbt2k086117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.17] (pool180-43.patriot.net [209.249.180.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAQEbiOs005307 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:37:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net> <000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:36:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is hindsight, but I would have researched and bought the busk first before starting the corset, and then adjust the corset length so the available busk works. Why do you have to buy the rest of the boning in the same place? Is there a minimum order? The spiral boning is not that hard to cut. I'm talking about the type that looks like a flattened spring. You only need to snip two parts of the wire, with cutters that do not need to be as strong as those used to cut a solid metal bone. There's not that much metal to cut. If you cut it a certain way, you end up with a rounded edge because of the way the wire is rounded. You can get caps for the ends, but I found the resulting rounded edge works well. It's slightly better than the white metal boning as far as not wearing through the fabric. When I used the pre-made lengths of boning, I have a stock of a lot of different lengths. That way I don't have to order a specific amount and I can switch them if something ends up not the right size or comfort for any reason. -Carol >the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern >from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was >long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as >crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that >leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" >longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral >steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with >cutting up the boning myself. >Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 11:59:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQGx5Mx028269 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:59:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQGwRTN055383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGwNKd050967; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGwIfb050938 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=XwpD8lLMU34modza24fpgavND/iEWakkpWIWiCoGdtlEOeipxSEz4VoTBBfeucvK; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.164] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eg3NR-0005Wo-Gu for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c5f2aa$9860a5c0$a4159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com><016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b32125419c4767e89bb1d21b95eb7462a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.164 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue wrote: > I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart > (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). Mozart is considered "classical", along with Haydn and early Beethoven. Classicism is between Baroque and Romantic. -Helen/Aidan (Who grew up not especially liking opera, since it was blasted in our house every waking moment my father was not at work. Of course, my opinion changed in my late teens. I'm also not a 19th c music fan for the most part (give me Bach and Mozart); most of it is too schmaltzy for my taste, except for some of the national/folkloric stuff. There's some good stuff in the 20th c, but definitely not that serial stuff.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHCfCZ028802 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:12:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHBWmQ056790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHBSLh057363; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHBOAE057304 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:11:19 -0800 Message-ID: <438897C2.7040305@msn.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:38 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2005 17:11:19.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1A9C90:01C5F2AC] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I understand what you mean correctly, you 'betcha! Look in Fashion in Detail from the 17th and 18th Centuries (by Hart and North) on pages 82 and 100. A 1760's man's dress coat of sprigged silk velvet. The velvet it is orange with greenish flowers outlined in black! It is embroided in silver-gilt thread. Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind > of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking > because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for > trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets > and skirts......... > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:15:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHF178028900 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:15:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHDdHq056970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHDbBn058335; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHDXG7058257 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2117 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:13:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170747.01d786a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:13:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opera and ballet In-Reply-To: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> References: <129.6a25dbad.30b9cb99@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart >(does he count as Baroqe or Romantic? > > >******************* > > >He's "Classical"....with Haydn and Beethoven. > >And there are lots of Baroque and Classical operas. My faves too. I like the >stylized, non-realistic approach of these operas. "Le Nozzi di Figaro" is my >fave. >And.... was it Suzi who didn't like Ballet? But you loved Rameau? About 1/3 >of his operas ARE ballet! No, what I said was I loved the music. I did not enjoy the trampolines and the bizarre modern take on the opera.But the music was played and sung by Les Arts Florisantes, a truly wonderful baroque music group directed by William Christie. They are doing Handel's Hannibal" later in the year, and I hope so much to be able to see that too. (Well, listen rather than see to be honest.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHYX0D029580 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:34:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHYFOI058934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHYDqo068314; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHY97t068274 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD79418BD3 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.4383ccfb.2606b for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DiJyRAVcRhgIAAAAB,4ac7baaf1fc0c792e65a30994534d2a2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Possibilities......? 18" busk - http://store.corsetmaking.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=B-18&Category_Code=SB Another 18"/46cm busk - http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GS&Product_Code=1228%2F13.46&Category_Code=BUSK1 I don't think that you'll find long busks for much cheaper than these two, unless you buy in bulk. ;-} Pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftSpiralWires.htm More pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning at pretty reasonable prices - not quite AUS$12.00/dozen for the very longest ones - http://www.tutu.com/ntn_hoopbones.html MOST EXCITING OF ALL! **** 1/2" wide **** pre-cut, pre-tipped spiral boning, up to 18" long, also at pretty reasonable prices - http://www.corsetmaking.com/supplies.html#spiral_boning I so know what you mean about cutting the boning yourself - I made two corsets with Farthingales 50-8406-06 plastic-coated Hoop Steel - white 6mm(1/4")6mm wide X .6mm thick - which had to be cut with bolt cutters, the ends trimmed into something roughly resembling a curve, and tipped with elastoplast then tooldip, because at that stage they didn't have hoopsteel tips. The trimming left *lots* of little sharp metal bits which were not good to stand on with bare feet. Not something I want to have to do again. HTH Joannah --- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: the front of my corset is 19 inches in total (I chose this pattern from Corsets and Crinolines because it was fairly simple but it was long enough that I could do things like Bustle gowns as well as crinoline fashions) so if I leave 1/2 an inch at either end that leaves me with an 18" busk so 16" isn't long enough (though it's 1" longer than Hedgehog Handworks) and they don't have 1/2" wide spiral steels in pre-cut lengths, and I don't want to have to deal with cutting up the boning myself. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:41:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHf3Tu029815 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHekKt059524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHej6w071434; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHeg9Q071315 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.262.affb22 (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <262.affb22.30b9f80f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:40:31 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/26/2005 11:59:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: but definitely not that serial stuff.) ********************** Definitely NOT so... As 12 tone music becomes more historical....I find that it can not be so bad. In fact I like a lot of it. I 1st "got it" with Stravinsky's ballet "Agon" which is only partly 12 tone. [ Another great Balenchine ballet with no sets or costumes. ]Also his 12 tone Mass and another church piece called "Canticum Sacrum", which has a divine tenor solo ["sulge aquilo"] and also a fantastic movement for bass and chorus. It's very dry music. But then Alban Berg's serial stuff is very lush and almost romantic ["Lulu"] and I like it too. Even Copland wrote some serial stuff! It's not all the same. What it all takes...Opera, classical, serial, jazz, zydeco....whatever...is getting familiar with it and its vocab. The only way to do that is to be open minded and not dismiss it. Yes, some things one just doesn't like. But you should only decide that after repeated listenings. I remember in school I had to design Stravinsky's opera "Oedipus Rex" so naturally I went to the library and listened to it. I though "Jesus! What a bunch of caterwauling!" But of course on repeated listenings, I "got" it. It's now one of my all time faves. A great work of art. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHoWt4030169 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:50:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHoHRU060578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHoFX8076224; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHoBDp076148 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.291.5e0ff5 (57317) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:49:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <291.5e0ff5.30b9fa47@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:49:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opera and ballet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/26/2005 12:14:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: No, what I said was I loved the music. Well there's no argument there! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 12:55:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQHt0mi030342 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQHsjWj061206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHsjsL078828; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQHsdse078740 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20157 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:20:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:20:39 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126122959.01d77780@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and > Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the > dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely tolerate opera music (though the costumes and the dramatic element, when it's there, can distract me sufficiently from the music). But if anyone's dancing, I'm *there.* I even like Olympic ice dancing and gymnastics floor exercise. Classical ballet is my least favorite of ballet styles, but it still shows off the sheer athleticism of the performers. And many "ballet" companies" do non-classical works. I spent several months of my early career as an arts journalist covering the training team of the Joffrey Ballet ... wow. I'd still rather see Momix or Pilobolus, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:05:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQI5p59030725 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQI5L53061988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQI5Is6083650; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQI5DxE083607 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eg4QC-000D84-8J for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:03:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Museum of London gable X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote >At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >>The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >>many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger versions >>the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, it goes on and >>on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - 1500 should download >>and read the PDF, really. >> >>Go here: >>http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closu >>re.asp > > >I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great series >of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that >informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the craftspeople, >and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! > >Suzi It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on for the inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQINa2W031394 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQILuMZ063558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQILt5c091423; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQILnR1091339 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQK008WFR041EJB@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:21:38 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My mom was a professional classical ballerina and dance in general, so I think my love for ballet is genetic. If I have a chance --- even if it is a movie- I'll watch it. Opera--- now there is another thing... I did costume designs for many, many, many productions for two major Opera Conservatories in Philadelphia. I notoiced thet though the director moved the opera a bit time- wise it was never so jarring that it challenged the integrity of the story/plot line or music... Over the past two weekends, I watched a production of Rigoletto done the Connecticut Lyric Opera. My husband was in the cast as the "Halberdier" and though he didn't sing except in the backstage area during the storm scene, I couldn't be prouder. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:21 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > But I cannot get over the ballet "wall", even though I saw Nureyev and > Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the > dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely tolerate opera music (though the costumes and the dramatic element, when it's there, can distract me sufficiently from the music). But if anyone's dancing, I'm *there.* I even like Olympic ice dancing and gymnastics floor exercise. Classical ballet is my least favorite of ballet styles, but it still shows off the sheer athleticism of the performers. And many "ballet" companies" do non-classical works. I spent several months of my early career as an arts journalist covering the training team of the Joffrey Ballet ... wow. I'd still rather see Momix or Pilobolus, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:29:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQIT2GI031634 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQISVbJ064136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQISULl094362; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQISNgF094295 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 38717 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:27:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum of London gable In-Reply-To: References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:03 26/11/2005, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote >>At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: >>>The Museum of London's website has a "press pack" in PDF which has >>>many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger >>>versions the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, >>>it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - >>>1500 should download and read the PDF, really. >>> >>>Go here: >>>http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closu >>>re.asp >> >> >>I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great >>series of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that >>informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the >>craftspeople, and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! >> >>Suzi > >It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on >for the inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? Hi Jean Thanks again for your site. I used a thin layer of wadding, just enough to soften it, and cut it on the straight. It just worked somehow like that. I have a dress diary written out for it (Headdress diary?) but need to add the pictures. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 13:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQIxEep000358 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:59:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQIwwso067332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQIwu5K008581; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQIwqhI008549 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.16.184.193]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5f2bb$6e221260$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:58:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emory and toe are the usual 1800's filling. The emory is really hard to find. The toe is the flax that is thrown away from sheathing. Go to a period farm for it. Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historic Costuming" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 14:39:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQJdP8Q001968 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:39:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQJcr2A070519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQJco3f028182; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQJck5V028102 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FB033C717 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511261900.jAQJ0Jeh009310@net.indra.com> References: <200511261900.jAQJ0Jeh009310@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:38:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unspun wool would work a treat. Or sawdust. Me, I'd use the wool. Email me I should have some combings from the wedding shawl I'm supposed to be spinning... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMawka009130 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMa5vc086561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMZxaA008179; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQFgbde014423 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.139]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F356262863 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:42:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5f2a0$09bb0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com><016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <001201c5f292$e1d1d7a0$dabfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:42:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sue, This is very odd, we share excatcly same taste in music. Except for some music by Elgar, Stravinsky, my music ranges also from 16th trough 17th. and 18th century music. My favourite composer is Haendel, i just love his music sooo much!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays > I'm with Dianne on this one, although my "opera wall" doesn't come with a > set of rude neighbors! ;-D > I just plain don't like most 19th century music (or a fair amount of 20th > century music). I don't have much appreciation for any book or movie or > art > form that has a lot of over-the-top drama in it. Since I got out of > adolescence, I've also not been much of a fan of musicals (liked them as a > kid just fine, and there are a few I enjoy now, but it's not something > I'll > normally spend money on ). > I adore music from the Renaissance and Baroqe periods, though, and Mozart > (does he count as Baroqe or Romantic?). The local university's in the > middle of working on a production of _Marriage of Figaro_, and I'm going > to > see that. ;o) > --Sue, who's musical prefernces pick up again in the 1960s, with > exceptions > for composers like Aaron Copeland..... > OCC: Currently sorting through in-house wool and linen stash for makings > for > some 10th c. (western) Norse outfits. What's everyon else doing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMb4Ts009139 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMapwa086633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMapX3008568; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQGXQgq039327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Eg2z4-0004mN-LS; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20051126103306.nn6nzpbkw4bo44g0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:33:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Lavinia teerlinc (was Re: [h-cost] More Tudor Questions) References: <4383F955.7090004@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051122214821.037467c0@64.87.54.245> <43856C38.3040603@comcast.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051125225434.037592a8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Kimiko Small : > > And I have some of Livinia Teerlinks images, but those were > miniatures, and hard to determine what they wore. She also comes into > Henry VIII's service in 1546 according to the book I have, so her > Tudor minis are going to be a later time frame than you are looking > at. I have an image that her father, Simon Benninck (sometimes > spelled Bennick or Bening) painted that shows ladies in various > outdoor situations wearing Tudor garments (c.1540). Cool! I didn't know that. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbNor009155 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMb7EH086703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMb7Ec008762; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHDWc9058250 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2105 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:13:27 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:05:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on "Flemish Miniatures". http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbcMQ009171 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMbMHL086746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMbLG2008891; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQHlTe9074897 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37736 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 17:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.141.68.196 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:47:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126174205.01d22d08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:47:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk In-Reply-To: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20051126093409.BADAE62F@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:34 26/11/2005, you wrote: >Possibilities......? > >18" busk - >http://store.corsetmaking.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=B-18&Category_Code=SB > >Another 18"/46cm busk - >http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GS&Product_Code=1228%2F13.46&Category_Code=BUSK1 > >I don't think that you'll find long busks for much cheaper than >these two, unless you buy in bulk. ;-} > >Pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning >http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/Pages/DraftSpiralWires.htm > >More pre-cut, pre-capped spiral boning at pretty reasonable prices - >not quite AUS$12.00/dozen for the very longest ones - >http://www.tutu.com/ntn_hoopbones.html > >MOST EXCITING OF ALL! **** 1/2" wide **** pre-cut, pre-tipped spiral >boning, up to 18" long, also at pretty reasonable prices - >http://www.corsetmaking.com/supplies.html#spiral_boning > >I so know what you mean about cutting the boning yourself - I made >two corsets with Farthingales 50-8406-06 plastic-coated Hoop Steel - >white 6mm(1/4")6mm wide X .6mm thick - which had to be cut with bolt >cutters, the ends trimmed into something roughly resembling a curve, >and tipped with elastoplast then tooldip, because at that stage they >didn't have hoopsteel tips. The trimming left *lots* of little sharp >metal bits which were not good to stand on with bare feet. Not >something I want to have to do again. I understand why people don't like to cut boning of any kind, but so often I find that the bones I need are not exactly the same length as I can buy commercially, so it is easier, for me, as I have been doing it for so long, to cut them to the size I want. But the invention of metal tips, now I have the hang of them, is brilliant. I just wish that British and American hoop steel makers would get together and rationalize their sizes, then I could use the joining widgets that Farthingales sells on all my hoops! (And before anyone suggests I buy my steel from Farthingales, I can get it far cheaper and more easily locally, if you include postage, and man is a roll of steel heavy!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 17:37:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQMbm2r009177 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAQMauxt086654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAQMauLg008638; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAQGwA8e050899 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30818 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=45% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because > many > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and > jackets, was that used in 18th century? > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and > skirts......... Bjarne, We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure somebody on the list will have more information. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 20:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR1fcIJ014897 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR1eti4005863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1eqUq086358; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1emku086316 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D53439F for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126173814.03666040@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:40:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> References: <238.252c242.30b8afd4@aol.com> <016f01c5f283$703d99d0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> <6.2.3.4.0.20051126170320.01d1bad0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:05 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I >think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books >are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on >"Flemish Miniatures". > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > >Suzi My goodness, thank you Suzi! This is what I've been looking for. It is by Simon Bening/Bennink. I've seen a couple of the images in books I have, but not the whole thing. Oh, if only they could print the whole book for us costumers. I would love to see clear close-up images of the outfits they are wearing, because we get to see side and even back views on some of them. Thanks again. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 20:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR1l6c7015061 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR1kQDO006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1kOfL088615; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR1kLab088597 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1503032wra for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L50u7kfwbGEcbZBPO+3x/rcJiaRQRs/U17Ib3JmiH7Bw36XsxzQ4fJ1tIY83j5bbNyP8t5sDCi2kaj0Nn8kxpMGVXL0dsSNIJVEpdCUbrtti351blEzCvMCSm/TvPMK42334s/zeNBV+6W8bS8Mead06c5Cso5JZtPQV31lacDw= Received: by 10.65.239.15 with SMTP id q15mr69172qbr; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.8 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:46:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070511261746p23b6248hd3249397d5aa327@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:46:21 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet In-Reply-To: <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAR1kLab088597 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have the ugliest 1880's bodice ever made of ick-brown fairly wide-wale corduroy. Nobody would ever believe it was accurate if I reproduced it. So homely. Katy On 11/26/05, Diana Habra wrote: > > > Hi, > > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind of > > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because > > many > > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and > > jackets, was that used in 18th century? > > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and > > skirts......... > > Bjarne, > > We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut > velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled > corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the > Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure > somebody on the list will have more information. > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 21:39:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR2dOxx016475 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR2cxHC011351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2cvwl010300; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2cs8M010237 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQL00G8IE0OUL00@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.174.93]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:38:48 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.2.20051123133039.030b1eb0@pop.surewest.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you don't mind what color the wool is - I have some 'raw' brown wool that I could send you. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 21:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR2oKxj016819 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR2mf3Q011921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2mcbb013851; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR2mYFu013765 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQL00AGEEGSH2LB@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:48:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:48:26 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126173814.03666040@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi ! Has anybody ever have a chance to see the Eleonora of Toledo book of Hours in the V&A? If so, is there a link? I have only seen B&W pics ... Best Holiday Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Book of Hours/Calendar At 09:05 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >I can't remember whether this is a Book of Hours or a Calendar, but I >think it is by Simon Bening (too lazy to check - it's cold where my books >are.) Thought the list mind be interested to see the site. Click on >"Flemish Miniatures". > >http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/ttpbooks.html > >Suzi My goodness, thank you Suzi! This is what I've been looking for. It is by Simon Bening/Bennink. I've seen a couple of the images in books I have, but not the whole thing. Oh, if only they could print the whole book for us costumers. I would love to see clear close-up images of the outfits they are wearing, because we get to see side and even back views on some of them. Thanks again. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 22:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR3MiTE017711 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR3M9g6014588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3M7tw026436; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3M3GG026400 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQL0005QG0M84UL@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.234]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:21:58 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general In-reply-to: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <294.65093.30b63464@aol.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw a movie an adaption of Richard III with Ian McKellan (sp??), done in the WWII era.. except for a few lines added here and there, it was very well done. In fact it made more sense to me then the original. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 22:46:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR3k2vl018344 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR3jdgx016562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3jcbA035053; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR3jZgS035041 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B189F34470 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:45:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051126194337.03668228@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:45:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum of London gable In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> References: <200511231425.jANEPFkL024698@net.indra.com> <20051124115002.74924.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051124125339.01d21538@127.0.0.1> <438755F6.7040707@thibault.org> <6.2.3.4.0.20051125183807.01d94480@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051126182532.01d7f6b0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:27 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote: >At 18:03 26/11/2005, you wrote: >>It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on for the >>inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? > >Hi Jean > >Thanks again for your site. I used a thin layer of wadding, just enough to >soften it, and cut it on the straight. It just worked somehow like that. I >have a dress diary written out for it (Headdress diary?) but need to add >the pictures. > >Suzi Oh, yes, please do. I would love to know how you made your gable, as that's next on my list of Tudor hats to do. I really have to remake my French hood first, now that I've learned how not to do them. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 26 23:31:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAR4VmWb019799 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAR4VRE6020715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR4VOwX052946; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAR4VJK3052918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-59-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.59]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jAR4VGXK017296 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:31:18 +1100 Message-ID: <002501c5f30b$695539b0$3bdaf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051125091810.BAD97042@dm20.mta.everyone.net><000701c5f228$c02ceaf0$69daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:31:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk > > This is hindsight, but I would have researched and bought the busk > first before starting the corset, and then adjust the corset length so the > available busk works. But if you need a long corset for fashions which are fitted over the hips (such as the early 1880s) then a shorter corset isn't going to work, which would mean that I would need to buy a long busk anyway (not to mention the rest of the boning, postage and the fabric) when I get around to making a bustle or natural form period gown. > > Why do you have to buy the rest of the boning in the same place? Is > there a minimum order? I don't want to pay postage plus bank fees (my bank charges a fee for any overseas payments on my credit card) on 2 separate orders because the extra postage would probably eat up any saving I made. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 10:38:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARFcBxV018770 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARFbcIW002387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFbWS9010805; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFbSiQ010774 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81B140139 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb11.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.4383ccf7.24d40 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDidK31vyssgIAAAAB,5ac74937bd2db15258635d8184a7a037 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.73] Message-Id: <20051127073727.BADA1F77@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emery isn't all that difficutlt to find. Go to any rock shop or lapidary supply site (or store if you are lucky enough to live near one) and get the grit made for tumbling stones. You would probably want about a 400 for a pin cushion or the little strawberry emery cushion. 200 would be ok, but I think 100 would be too coarse and 600 would be too fine. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 10:49:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARFnbgl019071 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:49:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARFmv25003199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARFmuZ9015753; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jARFmrg9015688 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005112710481923217 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:19 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id jARFlxMB004336 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c401c5f36a$1048da20$49a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1064.67.188.164.116.1133024491.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <3586f5070511261746p23b6248hd3249397d5aa327@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The abolitionist John Brown was "famous" for wearing a brown corduroy suit (pre-1859 when he was hanged). My husband wants me to make him one and I have no idea what it would look like--the wales (wide or narrow?) , the color/shade of brown, the stlye of suit, etc. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet >I have the ugliest 1880's bodice ever made of ick-brown fairly > wide-wale corduroy. Nobody would ever believe it was accurate if I > reproduced it. So homely. > > Katy > > On 11/26/05, Diana Habra wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind >> > of >> > velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. >> > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking because >> > many >> > have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for trousers and >> > jackets, was that used in 18th century? >> > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets and >> > skirts......... >> >> Bjarne, >> >> We call it corduroy and people have argued that it looks like "cut >> velvet". The "stripes" are called wales and the really thin waled >> corduroy is what people say may be period all the way back to the >> Renaissance. I personally haven't seen any examples but I am sure >> somebody on the list will have more information. >> >> Diana >> >> www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >> "Everything for the Costumer" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 11:04:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARG4UaG019497 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:04:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARG4B7V004410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARG49jT022034; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARG46Js021972 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7b.522dd90f (48576) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.522dd90f.30bb32ea@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:03:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:22:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, purplkat@optonline.net writes: I saw a movie an adaption of Richard III with Ian McKellan (sp??), done in the WWII era.. except for a few lines added here and there, it was very well done. ************************ Yes, that film is good. But it's even BETTER if you know "the original" because most of the fun is seeing how the adaptation works...the one to ones... And no lines were added. But many many of them were cut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 12:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARHAgpN021407 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARHAAs3009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHA5tx049539; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHA2cQ049459 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4389E8F3.9030900@msn.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:12:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2005 17:09:57.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[6493D3E0:01C5F375] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a book on appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just curious what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough reproduction calico that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or do you kind of go for what "looks okay?" I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- *http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn If the link doesn't work, it is * *Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 14:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARJpAa8026328 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARJoVLX024780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARJoPoI019226; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARJoKU9019197 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id jARJoJPH022643 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:50:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from host ([69.21.248.157]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20051127195019.KOWO23063.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@host> for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:50:19 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c5f38b$d24d1d40$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just to warn you, this is *way* past my period, however....My Great-Grandmother made a quilt of fabric scraps from dresses that she'd made for her kids and grandkids, and shirts for her husband and her sons-in-law. I rebacked the quilt and got to examine a lot of the fabrics. The pattern on your sample is almost spot on for a cotton chintz, that came from one of her mother's dresses. The main difference, is that your fabric is matte, and you can see the weave, Great-Great-Grandma's dress, was a glossy and *very* tightly woven cotton (or, it was just pressed within an inch of its life, not exactly sure, it was so shiny and solid that it resembled a very lightweight vinyl) but the pattern itself, looks exactly like what I remember. Hope this helps Robert of Stonemarche ps. for dating purposes, Great-Grandma Tibbets died at the age of 92, in 1973. I can't find when great-great-grandma Boyd died. However, GGT was the youngest child > From: WickedFrau > Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I > found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a book on > appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D > I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just curious > what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough reproduction calico > that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or do you kind of go for > what "looks okay?" > > I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, > but I'll ask anyway. :-\ > What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- > *http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 16:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARL2iDb028542 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:02:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARL2Fbb030529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARL29oL051907; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARL25XE051836 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.29.1799ef (17079) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <29.1799ef.30bb78c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:01:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lov-er-ly! There are so many calicos out there for quilts and crafts, you could design an entire Dickens novel in calico and not repeat a pattern. Some are reproductions of 19th century samples. Some 1830s and 40s patterns are so stylized they almost look modern. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 18:36:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jARNa3N2032766 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jARNZSoA048890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNZO78022182; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNZKrF022131 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.178] (pm5-178.eos.net [205.133.149.178]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jARNZH8f004098 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:35:18 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:23:17 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511251820.jAPIKLL9083016@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think I've EVER seen a Shakespear play (and I've seen a lot of them) done in Elizabethan costume. No wait -- I've seen one. I've seen a lot of wonderful productions set in many different times. That goes for other old plays and operas too. But Bjarne asked about "modern and artistic" costumes, and that's different. I'm with you, Bjarne! I hate that kind of thing. It's rarely done well, and it usually distracts from the performance. If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style, the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production, especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling of what it was like "back then." If you're going to deliver something else, at least tell people! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 19:09:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS09x9w001106 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS09fuf052250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS09ci5037934; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS09ZWb037853 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CF03E49E for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:09:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:10:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what do you call this? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 19:35:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS0ZBp6001641 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:35:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS0YmMU055140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS0YksV049240; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAS0Yhpn049212 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8552 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 01:24:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:24:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:38:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1206.67.188.164.116.1133138282.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:38:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? Is it Twill tape? Like this: http://www.jkmribbon.com/wrights/twill.html It comes in other colors than these eye-poppers :~> Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 20:42:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS1g0AN003816 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS1e5ah060904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS1dwvm076134; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS1dtqU076104 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D7418017 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:56 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb34.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.4383ccfb.3134e for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dil/rIIwwOwIAAAAB,c1a9202becc4b015d352272bd8dbbb0d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could it be cotton tape? e.g. http://www.ribbonmoon.co.uk/details.asp?id=2936 Joannah. --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:10:28 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] what do you call this? I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2H25N004879 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Fehb064432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2FbDD090387; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARHQ8dk057190 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051127172558.FYDI14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:25:58 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi~! Not really my era either, but perhaps this will help: http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ The fabric is lovely, btw. I had to get to it the "hard way", but I got there. ;-) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of WickedFrau Subject: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn If the link doesn't work, it is *Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2H46U004883 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Gmbm064589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2GmJS090959; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jARJKkKY006014 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 11190 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 11:19:50 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11181, pid: 11184, t: 2.8233s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 11:19:47 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:20:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:12 AM 11/27/2005, you wrote: >Okay-I am WAAAAY out of time period that I know anything about, but >I found this beautiful calico that I just HAD to have. I have a >book on appropriate patterns on order from ILL, but I just can't wait! :-D >I am sure it certianly isn't a reproduction calico...I was just >curious what folks do for calico dresses. Is there enough >reproduction calico that you all aren't wearing the same prints, or >do you kind of go for what "looks okay?" >I don't know if I REALLY want to know the answer to the next >question, but I'll ask anyway. :-\ What do you think of this >pattern and colors for a 19th century gown- >*http://tinyurl.com/8z7dn > >If the link doesn't work, it is * > >*Moda Kansas Troubles Scrapbook Garden 9092-13* > > >I have bought 7.5 yards of it and probably need another 5. What part of the 19th century are you going for? This one looks like a decent mid-19th century print for a work dress (won't show dirt too easily). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2HAgR004889 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2Gs41064622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2GsJ3091021; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARK2Nor024683 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5581.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.129]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E940262816 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:02:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c5f38d$8a7922a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:02:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] o/t online forum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Forgive me for being off topic. Now when i get more time, when i have stopped taking orders of costumes, i have ben thinking about making a forum at my website and make some online classes. I can teach embroidery and bobbin lace. How much do you think that it would cost me to have a webdesigner make that forum for me? Does anybody have any ideas about this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2IGvg004925 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2H7CL064688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2H71Y091153; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jARNYB1x021447 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511272333450130090eb6e>; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:50 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:45 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:33:45 +0000 Message-Id: <112720052333.11724.438A4259000297A200002DCC22092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks one and all for your help with the contents of a pin cushion. There were so many of you I thought it was best to one letter (although there are a couple of you awaiting a private message - which will be done next.) I hope everyone in the US had a wonderful Thanksgiving. And I'm sending everyone around the world a happy holidays. Roscelin > Emery isn't all that difficutlt to find. Go to any rock shop or lapidary supply > site (or store if you are lucky enough to live near one) and get the grit made > for tumbling stones. You would probably want about a 400 for a pin cushion or > the little strawberry emery cushion. 200 would be ok, but I think 100 would be > too coarse and 600 would be too fine. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2Itik004950 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2HSF0064746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2HRXm091290; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS0SfMs046637 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32722 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:54:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style, > the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the > advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production, > especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling > of what it was like "back then." If you're going to deliver something > else, at least tell people! That in fact is what a Washington company did about 10 years ago for the Mikado: All the publicity pointed out they were doing it Scots -- think McAddo. So much for Japan! And ... it was brilliant. Best Mikado I've ever seen. And I've seen several. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2XVkr005415 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2XCYY066243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2XAhX097649; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2WhRn097419 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0171340973 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:32:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A6C83.707@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:33:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20051127173955.BADBB749@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joannah Hansen wrote: > Could it be cotton tape? e.g. > > http://www.ribbonmoon.co.uk/details.asp?id=2936 > No, it's not cotton tape or twill tape. It has a much coarser, 'braided' weave to it, which allows it to conform to the curve of the hat brim _like_ a bias tape. Cotton twill tape doesn't flex like this. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:46:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2kK7s005761 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2jsfj067580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2jokF003173; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAS2jkJu003052 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 30480 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 02:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 02:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <438A6F54.8080705@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:45:40 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? I think what you are looking for is either "millinery grosgrain" or "french belting". You take the ribbon that you want to use (4" longer than the diameter of the brim), soak it, fold it in half, and wrap it tightly around the edge of a disk, you can use a dinner plate according to the book "from the neck up". Tape it to the plate with duct tape (just tape it at the ends) and let it dry, unstick it and attach it to your hat using a stab stitch or w/ a zipper foot. Note: I have never done this, so you now know as much as I do. I believe you can get millinery grosgrain from www.hatsupply.com liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 21:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS2xMVa006175 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS2wuPA069477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2wqjl009612; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS2wjjb009550 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Qks68WyOdssywZy8eM2R/s9Y3F7xMxrFiTFNBkFzYFTjQLNr+aEmSabsqD1D2Jnl; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.248] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgZE4-0007Iz-3d for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b4529d0581398387524ff5524cef4b494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.248 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges > of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a > shoelace, but it's flat. (At least on the hat I have). I want to buy > some to finish a hat, but I don't know what it's called. Can anyone help > me? and > No, it's not cotton tape or twill tape. It has a much coarser, 'braided' > weave to it, which allows it to conform to the curve of the hat brim > _like_ a bias tape. Cotton twill tape doesn't flex like this. You might be thinking of foldover braid. There's some here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/FO3.shtml and an enlargement here: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/images/F-21.jpg -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 22:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS36ixi006385 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:06:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS36JmB070054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS36H3I013095; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS36E9A013034 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:06:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73B40973 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:06:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438A745D.9080502@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:09 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? References: <438A4AF4.40500@reddawn.net> <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <022601c5f3c7$a2f45450$f8159b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Helen Pinto wrote: > You might be thinking of foldover braid. There's some here: > http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/FO3.shtml > and an enlargement here: > http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/images/F-21.jpg > Yup! That's it, thanks Helen! And they even have the tan I want. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 27 22:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS3PoXR006938 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS3PCYs072087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS3P7V8021279; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS3P3KK021226 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.6d.52539d6a (17526) for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.52539d6a.30bbd27f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:24:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/27/2005 6:36:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: Many people really do go see a production, especially if it's a rarely done production, to get at least a feeling of what it was like "back then. ********************************** And many go to see something current, new and innovative. So what's you're point? Do you really think the average person cares as much about the costumes as you or I? Most people I know who go to the opera don't care about anything except who's singing. As for "modern and artistic " [whatever that means] usually being done badly....I'd say period things are usually done badly too. Take the Met's "Barber of Seville". Pat Zipprodt's clothes are accurate and cut correctly, but they are utterly pedestrian. Boring, characterless [except for something just stereotypical] ho-hum clothes. I hate to think what they spent on these things that look like they were pulled from a college costume stock. How could one come up with something so dull for such a sparkling opera? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 00:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS5LAAZ010557 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS5KSFJ084896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS5KO7i070069; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS5KLKt070049 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EgbR6-0005cj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:20:20 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127230535.02ec6658@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:18:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> References: <200511271900.jARJ04fA097291@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: John Brown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate, Here's a link to one page, with some pics, but more importantly, a bibliography/source list. There's only one picture of John Brown, and it's not very good, but you can make out some details of the construction. I would guess it would be a fairly typical shape for the period. http://www.iath.virginia.edu/jbrown/master.html Here's a better image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_brown_1859.jpg and here's one of him at a younger age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_Brown.gif HTH, Sandy At 01:00 PM 11/27/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:48:45 -0500 >From: "Kate Pinner" > >The abolitionist John Brown was "famous" for wearing a brown corduroy suit >(pre-1859 when he was hanged). My husband wants me to make him one and I >have no idea what it would look like--the wales (wide or narrow?) , the >color/shade of brown, the stlye of suit, etc. > >Kate "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 02:30:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS7UtAM021509 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS7UQvW095231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7UH4F017576; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7UE5h017512 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:30:09 -0800 Message-ID: <438AB291.5040200@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:33 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? References: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <044201c5f377$8fa35130$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 07:30:09.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FB28FD0:01C5F3ED] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a great late night place! There are some very pretty fabrics here. Linda Rice wrote: >Hi~! > >Not really my era either, but perhaps this will help: > >http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ > >The fabric is lovely, btw. I had to get to it the "hard way", but I got there. ;-) > >::Linda:: > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 02:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAS7bTp9023269 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAS7W1wN095447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7W1ok018355; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAS7VuqY018306 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:31:51 -0800 Message-ID: <438AB2F8.8020103@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:34:16 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do 19th century reproductionist do for calico? References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051127110949.030a1ba0@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 07:31:51.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCA87D00:01C5F3ED] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What part of the 19th century are you going for? This one looks like a decent mid-19th century print for a work dress (won't show dirt too easily). > Joan Jurancich Not sure yet...something with some intricate pleating in the back.....a day dress..probably. I haven't done a whole lot of research....just had to have that fabric...it was so out of character for me...I am usually a velvet and silk kinda gal...this one just struck a cord. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 06:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASBf74w016435 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASBeGMK021728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASBe9Id008488; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASBe0j5008359 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 04:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.274.bd98a9 (4214) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <274.bd98a9.30bc4688@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:39:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you call this? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/27/2005 7:10:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I'm looking for a woven, single fold tape that's used to trim the edges of felt hats. It's not cotton bias tape. It has a weave more like a shoelace, but it's flat. It's called foldover braid. You can get basic colors, but in synthetics, at most fabric stores. Places that specialize in boiled wool (for jackets) should have a range of colors, as it is used to finish the edges of the jackets. When I took a millinery class, though, we used petersham for the edges--it is similar to grosgrain ribbon, but more flexible, and is available from milliner suppliers. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:24:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEOccd025830 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:24:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASENqqn044739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASENnE0077059; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASENkbT076980 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90346 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 14:23:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3JFDxRY0al9tUzsQHL/gvOwdCP5oCIArKsV7gGSzPkfprCIaYjvnBAuriEQOIv/drWD0RHk94AmU1fzdXmu2vRpqtprdCTZg3oto0OD9aaffrPpXNGcUwXJDg/NL4Ij2KBXeaK9lQtcjoAwK33D5qDnEzcxsmZfqfeiQTTveXKk= ; Message-ID: <20051128142340.90344.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:23:40 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511251900.jAPJ06tp001944@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] busks, corset supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm just getting back from holiday and trying to get caught up on e-mail, so sorry if this is really late. I had to plug my favorite corset supply store, Grannd Garb. See their site here: http://www.grannd.com I haven't purchased anything from them for a while, being a student and hence very poor, but last I checked, their prices were very good and they sell many different lengths and widths of busks. I went there after a rather annoying experience with corsetmakers in which a busk I got from them broke and they were unwilling to do anything about it. I have always been pleased with Grannd. I purchased my industrial grommet setter from them, which is one of my most beloved posessions. I'm happy to give up my secret if it means more business for them. :) --Rachel __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:37:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEbGFh026397 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASEaupd045961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEasKI083948; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEapmo083916 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Egk7f-0005eW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1011626.1133188610990.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] o/t online forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't help on the subject of cost, but I can certainly say I'd welcome such classes. I occasionally embroider but not at your level, and I used to make bobbin lace and would like to return to doing that, with some guidance this time (learned it entirely from books!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Nov 27, 2005 3:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] o/t online forum Forgive me for being off topic. Now when i get more time, when i have stopped taking orders of costumes, i have ben thinking about making a forum at my website and make some online classes. I can teach embroidery and bobbin lace. How much do you think that it would cost me to have a webdesigner make that forum for me? Does anybody have any ideas about this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 09:48:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASEmo0A026812 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASEmHPg047216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEmD8b090514; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASEm8De090431 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e6.7668a481 (4246) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:47:55 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 752 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If it makes it any easier to find in the future it's also known (in the UK at least) as millinery tape, or petersham ribbon (not to be confused with petersham waistbanding). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 10:12:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASFCsCZ028354 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASFCOaw050029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASFCKXv005177; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASFCFJj005044 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE46023C; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:12:06 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 10:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c5f42e$424ad2c0$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c5f288$220e8c60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:13:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Being a couple of days behind in my mail, might we be talking about (a kind of) widewale corduroy? I think that there is a gent's suit in Fashion Revealed made from what looks to be waled fabric. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about velvet > If I understand what you mean correctly, you 'betcha! Look in Fashion > in Detail from the 17th and 18th Centuries (by Hart and North) on pages > 82 and 100. A 1760's man's dress coat of sprigged silk velvet. The > velvet it is orange with greenish flowers outlined in black! It is > embroided in silver-gilt thread. > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Hi, > > I saw the most delightfull printed roses velvet today. It is the kind > > of velvet that is wowen into dimentional stripes. > > Dont know the english term for this, and i apologise for asking > > because many have asked before, but this velvet wich today is used for > > trousers and jackets, was that used in 18th century? > > If not it is such a shame, it would have ben wonderfull for jackets > > and skirts......... > > > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 12:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASHxJa8004058 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASHw98p073917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASHw1vk036107; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASHvsFs035975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.9] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.4-07) with SMTP id 6254b834.2821827504.103140.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexpf01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:12 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT - Pin Cushion Thread-Index: AcXwyWf92rEuL7TBT4CQ1p4IsqMS6ADe21/A From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 17:57:12.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[28CE59E0:01C5F445] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005110201)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASHvsFs035975 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides sand or fiberfill? Roscelin ********************************* I have made several, and tend to favor chinchilla dust. No, no, not dust made from chinchillas! The dust sold in larger pet stores for chinchillas to bathe in. It is a very fine grit, which keeps needles and pins sharp and rust-free. Just don't get any in your eyes! (I speak from painful experience here.) Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 13:17:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASIHKN2005227 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:17:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASIGWp2076763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIGTvf052057; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASIGOAi051908 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74787 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 18:16:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kpAjOildRuhii9mAbhjaHSaMdULxRYS+XitIe8+KutNjJWbtfobI4BHyfvZEhZh7d5cDU0n8zgC1dYSupNGxroFpxAuml/HL9Uvpb0jw8T+l0z33fxC9W8YOg9Nazl+bYh+u+Vh3/NWRRp+kwb81CNh0SC1ddzdv9K/ydUiGywU= ; Message-ID: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:19 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: opera X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 13:49:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASInECB006852 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASImOgl081157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIj6s6080828; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIh5AT079338 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so986109nzf for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lwZzl02NvTOlmZe16wvYmioQTpr0qYaTMF3BALW0jWimRCDqHbXYEZ4uidFi6vt6l38/a2kbQU67IuVLEkf7y2OZMFJ4EBGiicIFCCYqXPolPTfU5HupUy7HVK1eCUitVF3pwXDf5LQfY/HqZ4BMWOEJ4/V0BlAIuRvODnYxO6U= Received: by 10.65.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr61813qbm; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:43:04 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASIh5AT079338 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJ954f007713 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJ8LrG083863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJ7v1N000523; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJ7VPo099888 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2ba.c71a42 (48600) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <2ba.c71a42.30bcaf6a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:07:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/28/2005 11:55:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, carolineebuckley@gmail.com writes: As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. I actually have some experience with this, having spent several summers at the Santa Fe Opera. Yes, the singers wear corsets, although in periods up until the 19th century, the corset boning is generally included in the bodices and not separate. Just makes the costumes more "actor proof". This means that a coutil, steel-boned bodice is constructed, fitted, the pieces dismantles and covered with bias cotton flannel (so the boning won't show through) then covered with the bodice fabric. Believe me, you can't tell. Initially, the singers worry, if they haven't worn a corset before, but soon consider it their best friend, as they can push against the bones with their diaphram as they sing and it actually supports them. Cheryl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJLXCo008539 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJKs5T085802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJKjLs012187; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJKLT6011835 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so2235268wra for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GZnhTre6jbGTOHhyvUA+loqGWq6LnxuGAFU7M+kH4y7X4MVd0ws+oqmehQFBa5IvcQlyizGA5TwJHH3aCuPf9gSxfFgn92Rz3B8T97rlLovdNxXqbwBvz0FCHjtamL7wkhJzyE7WiDFF/DXl7Oq3lxQykgfwSblKdlb9FkKnOvU= Received: by 10.64.131.17 with SMTP id e17mr6567605qbd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.9 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:20:20 -0500 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASJKLT6011835 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks. Also coming in late... but this I can comment on. I do sing opera, and I do wear corsets, sometimes both together. (side note) Remember, corset shapes are not all the same. (/side note) What I tend to wear are 1550+ to about 1700 corsets. Most of these are somewhat cylindrical in shape. I have found that wearing a corset actually helps my breath support, because it makes me more conscious of the areas involved in supporting the voice. How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on peoples backs, bellies and sides... Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house down. Mari / Bridgette On 11/28/05, Caroline wrote: > I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of > thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper > corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as > without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and > quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not > sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > > Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to > think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a > corset. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:42:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJg7IL009503 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJfevf088647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJfaKH031581; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJf9CT031070 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so3177311nzf for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z39gHnwVm/QWvGj3iJrhS3psY/aeaFINDf5zOPURX7Mb7IeHD76DAV7L50fkiKTahszHrJEYpfffopz0Cot/BhZeLGl3qR+r8FaZvlYqJDWo6Qj3cJ2LLiLgkyZm+MkBTKLnqWT+pnXNZAs+Uw8hzAbsLk60NYYS4xpxkmPSBcs= Received: by 10.65.105.3 with SMTP id h3mr6779275qbm; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.17 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:41:06 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jASJf9CT031070 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow so many singers who are interested in costuming. I have to admit I have only done a small amount of singing and only once in a circa 1800 corset. It did feel strange but those of you with more experience would suggest that more practice in it would probably help.. On 28/11/05, Marie Stewart wrote: > Hi folks. > > Also coming in late... but this I can comment on. I do sing opera, > and I do wear corsets, sometimes both together. > (side note) Remember, corset shapes are not all the same. (/side note) > What I tend to wear are 1550+ to about 1700 corsets. Most of these are > somewhat cylindrical in shape. I have found that wearing a corset > actually helps my breath support, because it makes me more conscious > of the areas involved in supporting the voice. > > How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just > really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on > peoples backs, bellies and sides... > > Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big > lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air > column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear > as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. > > As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm > not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, > while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house > down. > > Mari / Bridgette > > On 11/28/05, Caroline wrote: > > I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of > > thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper > > corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as > > without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and > > quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not > > sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > > > > Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to > > think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a > > corset. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJnqoN010079 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJnJBO089525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJmqVP037090; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJmYE2036758 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 1900017A1C1; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:48:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.83.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.83]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5770017A3F9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <012501c5f44e$878fc5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051121061357.9A880947@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <003201c5eef3$77650560$51ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20051121235204.01d79db8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20051121161537.03739700@64.87.54.245><6.2.3.4.0.20051122220206.01d84040@127.0.0.1> <4383F8B2.2090207@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:04:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tartaglio" > Hi. Pg 228 of Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's article "Wound Wire and > Silver Gilt" in Oxbow Monograph #98 shows the wire from the headdress > that I believe you are talking about. The full title of the book is "The > Age of Transition; The archaeology of English culture 1400-1600" Hope this > helps, Mike T. This looks similar to a book I've been wanting: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance or http://snipurl.com/kav3 Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon is 1/3 the price of the former? =} The former has lots of very very interesting articles that I just don't really care too much about at the moment, judging from the contents list here: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/18729//Location/DBBC Instead, I'm interested in the actual physical finds. And can anyone suggest books you'd consider must-haves for nitty-gritty artifact type stuff c1485-1530, particularly for continental Europe? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 14:58:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASJw21X010358 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:58:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASJvdqg090598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJva4O044184; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJvWkA044121 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E971B376F26 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5586.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.134]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 332A62628CC for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c5f451$d07fec60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:27:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "McClure, Kate" To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion > > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > sand or fiberfill? > > Roscelin Hi Riscelin, My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and it is very good to use! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 15:14:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASKE5JA011877 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASKDAev093426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASKD6TB057796; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASKCxav057600 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83808 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 20:12:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u3nnBptlCuSD4hnZ1xOLObj8nIGPDOh2YuQQw40HCFNsb9batNH6zS/CkUcjFEL3AQtNZLUEWwbNHmcsE9U29q3z3i/Ew9HRa9DihYISS76bKNk/12Kr0qvyjOCdhyqQhZ0eM6KdLKbAemDlgeoxSnVOHgXgX1PnkqpNR0aqwl8= ; Message-ID: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:12:53 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511281906.jASJ0OMK093493@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:was OPERA singing in stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thinking on illustrations I have seen. The mid 18th c opera women must have sun in stays. I'm working from memory here, but the engravinfgs I can remember of Handel operas show full-bore 1700's court dress, wigs, paniers out to there, feathers on the tops of heads. And all of this done with no modern amplification, so it must be do-able. Now the men were in kind of Roman armor ( I can't remeber the opera. Judith or some such thing) , and being a caracture, the heads were tiny, as were the legs, and the breastplate was HUGE...of course they were making fun of some Italian castrato. Mia in Charlotte --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 16:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASLXBS6020599 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASLWTTV005234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLWLr2025582; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLVee8025000 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09464 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:57:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:57:44 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) In-Reply-To: <012501c5f44e$878fc5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, E House wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance > or > http://snipurl.com/kav3 > > Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon > is 1/3 the price of the former? Amazon is wrong -- the newer one has yet to be released. My contact at the publisher told me today that with luck we may yet see it before the end of the year. See another description here: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/44480 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 16:35:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASLZU2Y020999 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:35:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASLZ2We005677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLZ1qZ027856; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASLYvKg027709 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28d.b22c5c (3890) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:34:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <28d.b22c5c.30bcd1f4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:34:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: YES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/28/2005 1:49:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carolineebuckley@gmail.com writes: I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. I've always wondered about this. I mean they certainly wore corsets for the 1st production. But many 18th century theatres are smaller than the current Met of Paris opera houses and period instruments are often quieter as well. But you know the original Brunhilde wore a corset! Yikes! I suspect they didn't go for tight lacing...which is what we do nowadays with boned bodices and corsets for opera. Snug but not tight. Remember that scene in "Topsy Turvey"? "I simply cannot appear on stage without a corset!" And the Scottish tenor even wears a corset. I've had singer say they like a corset [if it's not too tight] because it gives them great posture and they can just belt it out standing up straight. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 17:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jASMNtUr027325 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jASMNRJt012263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASMNOOd067843; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASMNKK6067782 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C56F814378A; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.83.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.83]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EEF0414376F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <018f01c5f469$782066e0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:16:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Amazon is wrong -- the newer one has yet to be released. My contact at the > publisher told me today that with luck we may yet see it before the end of > the year. See another description here: > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/44480 Aah. I'd been wondering why I hadn't heard more about it! Thanks for the info. I gueeeesssss I can wait a month or two... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 19:46:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT0kcHU031455 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT0k603030657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT0k2cl074727; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT0juGe074682 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B15F4A5F1 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 Message-ID: <1133225154.438ba4c22713b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:was OPERA singing in stays References: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051128201253.83806.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dunno about 1800s for real but for fake it works: Costuming Barnum (set in 1800s) a few years back, I put Jenny Lind (chick with high voice) into a steel-bone Victorian corset. She loved it, saying that she was able to press against it from the inside for additional control, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 20:11:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT1BJe3032019 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:11:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT1AjvY033393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT1Agk1089584; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT1AbuJ089462 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051129011028.UDNG1978.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:28 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([222.154.134.20]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051129011027.DRMX1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:27 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.9/185]); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:27 +1300 Message-ID: <005401c5f481$aef41f00$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com><20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:10:25 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How to explain this... (insert useless floundering) gahh... I just > really can't think of a way to explain without putting my hands on > peoples backs, bellies and sides... > Opera, any well supported singing for that matter, is not about big > lungs and gasping for air, It's about support, flow of the air > column, and unobstruction of the sound. And that's probably as clear > as mud. Hence why I don't teach voice. Basically the diaphram moves up and down, if you have a solid external support you can focus on "dropping the breath" rather than pushing the belly out (which is not what you are supposed to do;) ) and letting the muscles around the belly relax. It helps to brace against to support the outbreath as well. So it helps the relaxing of the inbreath and support of sustained outbreath. You can also learn to use the muscles all around the ribcage rather than just those at the front. I had difficulty for years because no singing teacher actually explained what I was supposed to "feel." I thought they were meaning just the vibrations in the mask etc. So now I explain to my teachers I can't deal in imagery, tell me what is actually happening. > As for the Queen of the Night Aria... heheh... I cannot sing it I'm > not a Coloratura, but another of my coaches students can, and has, > while wearing a baroque gown, with corset. :> She brought the house > down. I can't hold a sustained E in alt but those Fs are so very fun to sing. It's an excellent piece to sing for learning to get the voice agile:) It helped me a great deal. I couldn't sing it in public for money;) But it's an extremely delicious song to sing. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 21:04:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT2484J001553 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT23Hgn038214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT23EPv018525; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT237v8018086 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cozit@comcast.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pool-71-245-169-25.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[71.245.169.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20051129020226012001f9f1e>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:02:26 +0000 Message-ID: <438BB6D0.6070809@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:02:56 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200511290110.jAT1Ag1f089583@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200511290110.jAT1Ag1f089583@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: singing in a corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Done it. If it's not laced right it can be a problem. If the rings aren't slippery (and they and the lace shouldn't be) it's easy to lace tighter up top where you need more support, and slightly looser below where you need room for your lungs to expand/diaphragm to move. That said, one reason for the phrase "belting it out" is that you are throwing your breath into your belt for support (more or less). When I was taking flute lessons, years ago, eventually my teacher had me (and her other students) wearing a snug belt while playing... to teach better breath support. On top of focusing your attention, the belt itself provided a bit of support. She'd learned from both opera singers and woodwind players (can't remember which men in specific, but there were at least a couple... and I've a guess at which, who she's met, but don't want to stick my foot in it with the wrong names). I've found the same support and focus when my bodice and/or corset is laced properly. Obviously not as snugly as the belt had been worn, but snug, not tight. -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 21:09:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT29GMw001769 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT28lwc038824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT28kXY021387; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT28g4F021336 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fc.ef37606 (48624) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1fc.ef37606.30bd121d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:08:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/28/2005 8:11:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: It's an excellent piece to sing for learning to get the voice agile:) Getting yourself ready for "Una voce poco fa"? I'm obsessed with "Figaro" lately.... Which reminds me of a great production I saw that used Rene Magrite paintings as a jumping off point. The costumes were stereotypes....not accurate really. Rosina was in an all white almost Flamenco dress. Figaro had his usual bolero, breeches and sash [he sung his big entrance aria...y'know the one with the "Fiiiiiii-gaaaaa-rooooo.....Fi-ga-ro....FigaoFigaroFigaroFigaro....." show off section....in his bedroom getting dressed. At the beginning of it he's getting out of bed....he's all dressed by the end of it.] During the thunderstorm, a scrim came down raining men in bowler hats. When a big conflict would arise, a drop of a train coming out of the fireplace would appear. At the end when the lovers are united, the walls of the room became a box of blue sky with little white clouds, then the Count and Rosina appear in their same costumes only now made of blue sky with clouds. I loved it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37XwV003723 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT36qI3044532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT36nRK054014; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASFpwrU031811 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10741 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2005 15:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3eGEcQhDXiCDWe7Z/eeTgzKFGHduERpichYzct60AAD6CDoi1y9pjYaANP7q2s4V8ufpA+C7R6ILXqr3iqA2U/CHVSjuY8pX8YhtNA3urciSsCix3dEmwFGEgDR3q1Ez9CVfMig+fxZMo9yEAKRbz3cs7EuE8evVXQy4kB1SJM= ; Message-ID: <20051128155153.10739.qmail@web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:51:53 PST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] This is gorgeous! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Browsing eBay and found this... http://cgi.ebay.com/Exquisite-Victorian-Soutache-Trim-Jacket_W0QQitemZ8358250073QQcategoryZ48864QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sigh, the sort of thing that looks great period, but would also go great with a pair of jeans! I love Victorian although I haven't yet attempted to make anything period. Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37lFX003749 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT37Utc044636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT37UNm054470; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASG5aje041981 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jASG5X8f015196 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:53:25 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511280730.jAS7UIiI017586@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat wrote: > So what's you're point? My point is exactly what I said: If you're going to do a rare performance but do it in an unusual style, then tell people. That way people know what they're getting into. I, personally, don't like bizarre and modern costumes. But if I know I am going to see them, it's up to me whether or not to pay the ticket price. I am not against creative staging -- but I have seen a lot of awful (in my opinion) things done in the name of "creativity." And, you're right, a lot of awful "traditional" productions. I try to check reviews of productions ahead of time, but that's not always possible -- sometimes you have to buy the tickets far in advance. Theater people have a lot of fun with creative casting, costuming, staging, and even totally changing the point of various plays. But the audience is supposed to enjoy the production, too. If we audience members are supposed to respect the work and vision going into a production, and to try things that are different from what we expect, it's only right for the theater company to respect the audience's opinion if they hate it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:07:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT37uOo003753 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT37ciI044678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT37cDP054587; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASIAr9S046838 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:10:49 -0800 Message-ID: <438B48BA.2040401@msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:13:14 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2005 18:10:49.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FBCE460:01C5F447] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know I have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! Sg > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:09:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT39FNi003823 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT38uO5044923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT38uWI055441; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jASJG6SX008241 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQO005KCIU8EXH6@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:15:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:15:40 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: opera In-reply-to: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've costumed a lot of period style operas-- for me the best way was to lightly bone the bodice of the gown so it gives the look , but doesn't drive the singers crazy... Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Caroline Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a corset. On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT39na4003846 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT39SoT045030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT39SOv055771; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASK8Ym0053656 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 21639 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 12:07:38 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 21630, pid: 21634, t: 1.8713s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 12:07:36 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051128120220.0309aa30@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:08:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: Singing while wearing a corset, was [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660511281120u4042b209w62b78c1b47186c97@mail.gmail.com> <37ee9e000511281141o3ab21ebi@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:41 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Wow so many singers who are interested in costuming. I have to admit >I have only done a small amount of singing and only once in a circa >1800 corset. It did feel strange but those of you with more >experience would suggest that more practice in it would probably >help.. > >[big snip about opera specifics] While I am not an opera singer, I have done quite a bit of singing in full Elizabethan court dress over the past 20 years; I have no trouble projecting a considerable distance out of doors (and making echoes indoors). One thing the corseting does is keep your posture upright, which makes it easier to support your breathing for singing. This, of course, assumes that your corset is properly fitted and worn correctly (snug enough for support and not so tight that breathing is difficult). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:14:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3EFp6004038 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT38oxR044891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT38oxB055365; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jASJ7aMH099945 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 39305 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 19:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.116.110 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 19:07:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051128190356.01d81f98@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:07:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511240732.jAO7Wcc5041269@net.indra.com> <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <37ee9e000511281043j1bac2e2fh@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:43 28/11/2005, you wrote: >I have come to this thread late so do appologise if this sorth of >thing has been mentioned before. As a singer putting on a proper >corset to sing means you can't get the air in nearly so well as >without. The notes are then naturally shortened, compressed and >quiter. Now perhaps the very 'big' singing of modern days would not >sound so full or loud sung by women in corsettry. > >Alternatively - did opera singers wear corsets - I can't even begin to >think how to sing something like the Queen of the night aria in a >corset. > >On 28/11/05, Mia Dappert wrote: > > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the > direction of the production, with opera and any other > "Period Music", You have to consider whether it is one with period > instruments and sensibilities, or if it is done with a modern > orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or at least > male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups that > head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern > music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. Certainly in comparatively recent times, I worked with an opera singer who insisted on wearing a corset if the part called for it, and there was no reduction in volume from her voice. At Glyndebourne in Sussex, one of the premier opera houses in England, some singers would wear them, and some refused. If you are used to wearing it corset during your normal life, it would not be a problem to sing in one. You learn to breathe differently - I certainly never had problems myself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3UeNA004809 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:30:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3UHEZ047875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3UCh1067550; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3UA5v067525 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goddessandqueen@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so12597wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HzbYxoARfHZE11b+SRY9h1EEssBHt/TH6vL8BRpIssJW0w4sS88ocVZSVzB3xpb125nN6h97yNGw3ByovSDGyDt4/1uwF2uDpQqKuvbgBDXIRdj8Ggbly5bgcaHHaDmxC4sK6VcAFY9bIlDeuzSv3UrJ2SuCA/kfvKoH/RJNJZE= Received: by 10.70.131.12 with SMTP id e12mr2956622wxd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.44.16 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:30:10 -0600 From: pixel To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vintage thread question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jAT3UeNA004809 Status: RO I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? Anybody have any suggestions? Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3fWW0005234 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3fDTL049212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3fBYn073216; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3f71f073135 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D4140BF2 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:41:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438BCDCC.1090006@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:41:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO pixel wrote: > Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? > Anybody have any suggestions? > If it's not rotten, and you're not attached to it, go ahead and sew with it. I have some that was my grandmothers that I am slowly using up, thinking of her each time I pull one from the rack. Keep the empty wooden spools though, they don't make real ones any more. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 22:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT3j9m3005373 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:45:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT3iqdJ049568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3iqBV074977; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT3iotu074962 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so2770816wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ELkdBrI0CAsD/s+vCFOBIedie3c6s4ek9vmc+yYIMB5AsfhQVoqtDCCiq7GEvzd9tgh7CWS/OBonzQJ7Z2J5NnrUi4IkzJvfclI5lfqsPFt5oeQStVZWzlzdcMDdrx5sYt+FqoFMKUkQwlCOXZ2dEkH7KMGe2jYcDMmDnurPhyU= Received: by 10.70.54.16 with SMTP id c16mr6064682wxa; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.91.18 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:44:50 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAT3iotu074962 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Old thread has a tendency to be rather weak. I inherited quite a bit of old silk thread - and I only made the mistake of sewing with it once. It broke incessantly once I started wearing the garment - I finally had to re-do all the seams that were under even a little bit of stress. I keep it around as it is suitable for small bits of decorative work, where the thread really isn't under any tension, but other than that, it isn't good for much. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT41LbJ005904 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:01:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT411WM054404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT40wLY085997; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT40pan085893 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26B0200; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:00:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 23:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c5f499$a2a62be0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:01:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From my own experience, depending on the age and quality of storage, a lot of the thread may be only usable on spool for ambiance in a "sewing box" of vintage collecting. Some of the labels suggest this. If you are planning to try to use some of it, I suggest you 'test' each spool for necessary strength, or the garment thus constructed will probably fall apart as you sew... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "pixel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Vintage thread question I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? Anybody have any suggestions? Many thanks, Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:09:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT49EFp006146 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:09:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT47f06055760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT47det089528; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAT47YaK089469 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 23100 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 20:06:35 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23076, pid: 23090, t: 0.9065s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 20:06:34 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051128200250.0309b820@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:07:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question In-Reply-To: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com > References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with >some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an >entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old >thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding >Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, >in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do >with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? >Anybody have any suggestions? > >Many thanks, > >Jen I'd sew with it. Over the years I have found many older spools of thread; if they have not deteriorated due to poor storage conditions, I use them. I don't like to hand sew with Dual Duty (the cotton-wrapped polyester stuff) unless I am doing some beadwork (it's actually recommended in some instruction books and works well for that). I like the greater number of sizes of thread that were available many years ago. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:47:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT4l5eg007432 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT4kf0i059490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4kefX009823; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4kYhw009721 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so29111wxc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uiIpVrnczvLzwkTWxaRM9rspM5fgTjI2fA1iRPmD+tUjhrXetHB2Y1GBRbH4ZwiVLSMvKcNBciizF1y3eTSAzUuG5DTCe9i4S8qT+gqKIhS+jD0IOplz9KU7Md1MFePMOpXCcBmUV6emdJ05w74aQDfY8d21ol8R1nIwpNeDJis= Received: by 10.70.46.13 with SMTP id t13mr2344364wxt; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAT4kYhw009721 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's been ages since I worked with the stuff. I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a nasty squished mess. Got any hints? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 28 23:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT4xVna007888 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT4xBe1060617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4xAVf015997; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT4x6n7015903 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A00A0148; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:58:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Nov 2005 23:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006801c5f4a1$bb9763a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6107d9c10511281930r71a3ae48q82b9d33d3d9d67a@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20051128200250.0309b820@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:59:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And another possibility is using it to make 'found lace'...random sewing/embroidery on a soluble filament that you wash away after you are done with the machine part. One of the trendy new crafts (for leftover thread!). Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question > At 07:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: > >I have something of a dilemma. We're finally getting around to dealing with > >some of my late mother's huge collection of odds-and-ends, and there is an > >entire *drawer* full of thread that I rescued before Dad threw it out. Old > >thread on wooden spools--Coats & Clark, a brand called Blyda, and Belding > >Corticelli. There are some random spools from Sears, but mostly those three, > >in various colors. So I have all this thread, and I'm not sure what to do > >with it. Should I try selling it to collectors? Should I sew with it? > >Anybody have any suggestions? > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Jen > > I'd sew with it. Over the years I have found many older spools of > thread; if they have not deteriorated due to poor storage conditions, > I use them. I don't like to hand sew with Dual Duty (the > cotton-wrapped polyester stuff) unless I am doing some beadwork (it's > actually recommended in some instruction books and works well for > that). I like the greater number of sizes of thread that were > available many years ago. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 03:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT89aO0027897 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT87MK6075704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT87Hn9099930; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT87CZF099889 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD7FA3642A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:07:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] o/t online forum Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:07:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1011626.1133188610990.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you run across this site? http://www.cma.org/explore/department.asp?deptgroup=3&display=&recNo=360 De -----Original Message----- I can't help on the subject of cost, but I can certainly say I'd welcome such classes. I occasionally embroider but not at your level, and I used to make bobbin lace and would like to return to doing that, with some guidance this time (learned it entirely from books!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 04:01:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAT91Fsl008883 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:01:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAT90dxc079006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT90bMk021573; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAT90XsM021540 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1024E6FC0D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:00:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ca01c5f4c4$03119b20$0300a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:05:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Irons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early (due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts when I use other peoples. Thanks a bunch Susan in Bellevue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 07:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATCImW0019263 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATCIAmF093851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATCI0og005517; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATCHu84005468 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1ee.47cf693d (4214) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.47cf693d.30bda0ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:17:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage thread question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/28/2005 11:59:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: And another possibility is using it to make 'found lace'...random sewing/embroidery on a soluble filament that you wash away after you are done with the machine part And another idea, if you don't want to risk using the thread to sew--make a necklace with the spools, with the thread still on them. Combine with interesting beads, perhaps some vintage fabric scraps--make a statement and remember your mom at the same time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 09:49:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATEnJBh025510 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:49:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATEmcru026354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEmYf7081671; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEmUpG081565 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:48:24 -0800 Message-ID: <438C6ACD.1030609@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 14:48:24.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[F34801E0:01C5F4F3] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cin, I do a lot of hand basting with silk thread to prevent shifting. Sort of in a ladder pattern both vertical and horizontal. I will review my Threads articles on sewing with velvet. I don't recall any recommendations to do so, but I suppose you could "shear" the velvet seam allowances like you do when working with fur. Also, do you have a velvet pressing pad? They are either a bunch of little pins or even stiff brushy type ironing pads. What kind of velvet is it? If it is cotton, washing it up first will soften it alot. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 09:52:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATEq00m025610 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATEpg0D027265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEpf0I083717; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATEpXJc083591 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:53:53 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 14:51:28.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[60EDC540:01C5F4F4] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what everyone got? I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:06:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATF6Kxo026052 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATF5lw9031865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATF5jZH093038; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATF5g7E092965 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.272.de4738 (3956) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:05:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <272.de4738.30bdc83a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:05:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is gorgeous! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/28/2005 10:12:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: although I haven't yet attempted to make anything period. ***************** The actual construction of this jacket would not be too hard or too removed from any modern jacket. Applying the soutache on the other hand..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFXKi3026888 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFRoND039192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFRjHj008239; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFRcwK008140 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eh7OK-0005cV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1327200.1133278056513.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I usually put tissue paper between the layers. That discourages creep and also seems to enable the pile to move out of the way of the needle rather than getting squished under the thread, so the seam doesn't really show after sewing. But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Cin Sent: Nov 28, 2005 11:46 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's been ages since I worked with the stuff. I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a nasty squished mess. Got any hints? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:39:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFd1ko027094 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFXT4e040979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFXQf7012297; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFXNBm012154 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005112915331601400n3j8be>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:16 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:15 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irons Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:15 +0000 Message-Id: <112920051533.11058.438C74BB0006134100002B3222007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I live in Everett WA and Costco has a great iron (can't remember the brand - and I'm at work - drat!) that I think is equal to the Rowenta that I have, and about half the price. It's got a 'computerized' setting selection LCD (I think that's what it's called) with up/down buttons to select syn/silk/wool/cotton/linen. It has a separate lever to select steam functions too. The shot of steam is wonderful. I'll post the brand when I get home. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. > > Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a > baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early > (due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or > tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. > > So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, > easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on > for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or > Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts > when I use other peoples. > > Thanks a bunch > > Susan in Bellevue > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 10:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATFspCh027637 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATFs9kl045097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFs1Jp027974; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATFrwqA027846 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-68-165-23-240.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[68.165.23.240]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20051129155341112002sh2qe>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:41 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20051129074819.0202f958@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:53:37 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irons In-Reply-To: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> References: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:27 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:05:14 -0800 >From: "Susan" >Subject: [h-cost] Irons >To: "Historical Costume" >Message-ID: <00ca01c5f4c4$03119b20$0300a8c0@sc> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I think my 28yo GE iron is giving up to ghost. > >Problem is this: I volunteered to make curtains for a friend who is having a >baby - she doesn't have time as the doctor wants to induce her 3 wks early >(due to diabetes in the family). I need to get them done like today or >tomorrow and I don't have time to research irons. > >So, can I please get some recommendations? Something, sturdy, mid-range, >easy to find (cause this is Seattle and they're prediciting snow off and on >for the week and I might have to get it at either a Joanns, Fred Meyers, or >Sears store) and without an automatic off timer thingy that drives me nuts >when I use other peoples. > >Thanks a bunch > >Susan in Bellevue I've gone through more irons in my life than I can count, and I'm always disappointed. I've tried all the high end one, like Rowenta and such, and I've never found one that didn't drip, or heat unevenly, or behave badly in some way. But recently I found the best iron I've ever had - no drip, no matter how much I use the shot of steam feature, able to steam while upright, coated (like teflon) bottom, retractable cord, and a few other goodies. It's a Sumbeam Steam Master model 4214, and it was a whopping $25 at WalMart. I'll never waste money on an expensive iron again! Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 11:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATG4iIP027953 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATG4DuA046276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATG49lk035950; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATG46jt035829 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0816DEB for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA571A3B for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Working with velvet Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B06C8E20E@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Working with velvet Thread-Index: AcX0/GdD6OSTH32QRJCH0WAxh9v08QAAMOfA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 16:04:00.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[83305320:01C5F4FE] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATG46jt035829 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cin! Actually, you can steam velvet if you have one of 2 things: 1) a nail board -- this is the safest option, but they are very expensive, and tend to come in 4" square sizes, which are simply frustrating to work with. (IMHO) 2) You can iron and steam velvet if you put the pile face down into another piece of velvet whose pile is up. The pile from the bottom velvet keeps the pile in the garment from being crushed. The costume shop manager I learned this from said it worked best if you used the same fabric for both the garment and the "drop cloth". Personally, I made a velvet ironing board cover, and it's worked great for every velvet I've needed to iron. Depending on the strength of your iron (if you have an industrial iron for instance), I would be hesitant to use the full blast of the steam on this, especially if you are not using the same fabric for both velvets. But I have worked with a home iron and my velvet ironing board cover with no problems. I'm also a bit more paranoid about leaving the iron face down on the velvet then I am when ironing cotton or wool. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 11:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATGwYAM029970 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:58:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATGvx1t053652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATGvtTj080950; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jATGvqwE080855 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20108 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 16:57:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bqbVuw1o9zw50f3sMga7MqyfnYkj3z12G2lptvfSJ8bg9GF2hO2tHg2x1ZOo1+8Mj7+35NkgEif3yjWbYf/B41pjWO+TRZeXd+BU5YKdjsO+QCtbF/DvoIBXTeQTHBr27Nx0wX43qpbSyk3W8nvIgv+KmfNWItmsF6zRelfNjto= ; Message-ID: <20051129165747.20106.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:57:47 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511271902.jARJ04fB097291@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another on Opera/Theatre in general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm coming in late on this as I had heistated to comment, but now feel like tossing in my two cents worth as well. I saw a production of Tristan and Isolde several years ago that left a lot to be desired. I'm not sure of the intent, but it was distracting as the costuming was from more than one period - and none of it "period" to the opera. The set design was also from left field. I did watch it through as the voices were beautiful, but the friend that attended with me said she had to just close her eyes and listen. One of my favorites was a production of Die Fledermaus - I couldn't tell you what the period was as I wasn't as costume conscious then, but they were gorgeous! I have also seen a lot of Shakespeare, some in period costume some not. I saw a production of Taming of the Shrew in a 20th century Bohemian setting. It worked well I thought. I can see where a gently firm corset would help with breath support especially with the Queen of the Night's aria. But my favorite - even though it has been commercialized - is the Flower Duet from Lakme'. I did see that done in period costume - more or less - as the costumes were more representative for the British solidiers than accurate and seemed, as I recall, a little more showy than the actual uniforms would have been. But that is theatre after all, isn't it? Annette M (local to both the Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. Opera companies and ventures to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival on occasion) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 12:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATHt5BF032036 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATHsY4t062952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATHsTwX031724; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jATHsLHm031513 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28789 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 18:44:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:44:23 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? Saragrace, What a cool idea! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 13:09:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATI9fVC032538 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATI7fZj065763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATI7ZkG045298; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATI7V8l045174 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3CBC5A0B79; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.120]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E270CA06E4 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:29:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <020101c5f50f$f203ff70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:08:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm for it. -E House ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a >> webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what >> everyone got? > > Saragrace, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 13:32:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATIW1oC000926 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:32:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATIVRSm069305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIVKef076918; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIVA2B076720 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993240C13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a disadvantage. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 14:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATJ4N69002150 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATJ3fC5073794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ3dow005575; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ3anM005477 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22413 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:03:32 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:03:21 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX0/b+Pk1zb928eRzydBuG20B3DlAAC9sEg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATJ3anM005477 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I usually make porcelain dolls from soft-fired greenware, a friend recently gave me a 24" Paradise Galleries Native American doll because she wanted the beautiful costume and hair ornaments for a doll she had made and is not a sewer. I want to dress the doll as Pocahontas(Matoaka)either on her wedding day to John Rolfe, or when she was at the English court for the 12th Night celebrations. While I could dress her as in her engraved portrait(the revised colors based on how engravers indicated colors through their engraving are gold dress, red surcoat, and white hat with gold band and white feather)and that is still an option, I'd like to do a wedding day or court dress. The doll is on a cloth body so the dress would have to be high-necked or have a shallow square neck. I found some red and gold Christmas fabric at Joann's at 70% off that might do. The striped design has a Jacobean feel to it and possibly hasn't sold as well as other fabrics because the stripe is horizontal and isn't obviously Christmassy. The excellent biography Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma only says that Pocahontas' wedding ensemble was imported from England and her father sent her a necklace of pearls. The 12th Night gown isn't described either. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace(white, natural, pink, grey, mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know)a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 14:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATJHEOV002656 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATJGE7K075471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJG7v8015629; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJG20x015472 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.261.26c9911 (3948) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:15:47 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <261.26c9911.30be02e3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:15:47 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Working with velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO big very fluffy towels work too.> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 15:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATKKwV1005473 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATKKS44084282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKKMX1069047; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay104-f16.bay104.hotmail.com [65.54.175.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKKKO1068928 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laughingkat@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:20:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.175.200 by by104fd.bay104.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.45.239.83] X-Originating-Email: [laughingkat@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laughingkat@hotmail.com From: "Katharine Zore" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2005 20:20:10.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BF8B1D0:01C5F522] Subject: [h-cost] ironing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi... ummm, I hope that I am doing this right. My name is Katy and I am a college student who signed up on this list a long time ago more to learn then to participate. But I was reading about ironing and thought that I might put in a word. I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method which really does work! Katy- an eager learner. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 15:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATKTaT5005893 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATKTHwT085467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKTELg076192; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATKTA9J076152 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jHI58uLtlTCQleBWFPCrgXOZvyrd0B0ZC0LnZIX4o/HTCSaxiuVaOWt/O9p85WVN; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.254.125] (helo=boris) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EhC69-0002fb-Lb for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:29:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4800143da627298c5a5d60fb76e7c5cb7507c87288fcf778e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.254.125 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] ironing > I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at > mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To > keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not > only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! > Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. > > Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last > year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method > which really does work! > > Katy- an eager learner. My grandmother took in ironing for extra money all her life, and she used to use a sprinkler can to dampen the clothing before it was ironed. If she couldn't get to it imediately, she'd store the damp clothes in her freezer until she could. It worked much better than using the steam function on the iron. She only used that when she was sewing. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 16:41:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATLf7g5008535 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATLeM5N097227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLeIaD044873; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLeDpr044723 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BAE319C9A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:40:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:40:00 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am planning on making a regency gown. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm And I have found the perfect cotton voile. But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. The discription says heavy white cotton thread. It looks not very tightly spun. Has anyone any idea what I could use? I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. Like the subtle smaller patterns better. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 17:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATMs9UE010964 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATMrY7v008615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMrTlR002762; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMrPEn002642 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b2.ebc2d0 (4254) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:11 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:08:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATN8k4D011431 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:08:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATN8RHm010449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATN8PIe014307; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATN8MUX014192 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brenna.sharp@comcast.net) Received: from horse (c-24-21-202-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.202.55]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005112923081601400n68nue>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: <01b301c5f539$e5b34800$6500a8c0@had1.or.comcast.net> From: "Brenna" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <001901c5f451$d07fec60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:08:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I stuff my pincushions with half-scoured wool fleece. Wash it enough to get rid of the pasture but not so much as to strip the lanolin. Keeps pins and needles sharp and lubed longer than anything else I've ever used.... -Brenna > > I'm wanting to make a decorative pin cushion for a Christmas gift., but > > not sure what to fill it with. Does anyone have any suggestions besides > > sand or fiberfill? > > > > Roscelin > > > Hi Riscelin, > My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they > all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and > it is very good to use! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:27:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNROnO012031 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:27:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNRAfs012958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNR3YB028573; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNQjsq028294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-19-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.19]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jATNQd08028354 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:41 +1100 Message-ID: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That sounds like a great idea, I think one of the photo sharing websites might work best as we can allow multiple people to upload their own photos. I've used http://www.myphotoalbum.com/ for the amiperiodornot photos (http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/) because it allows voting and comments and it's designed to let a lot of different people upload photos (one of the previous administrators just has to set up an account for them). Perhaps we could set up a h-cost photo album and create IDs for members of this list who ask, that way, rather than having it hosted on one website which only one person has access to everyone could upload their own, and nobody here is paying for the extra bandwidth and one person doesn't get swamped by emails with photo attachments. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > everyone got? > > I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external > picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:29:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNTklk012112 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:29:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNSvOb013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNSpbP030077; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNSl4A030019 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBC94B474 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from 123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au (123.208.221.203.comindico.com.au [203.221.208.123]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:43 +1100 Message-ID: <1133306923.438ce42b8af5e@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:28:43 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing References: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <03da01c5f523$91cb08b0$0400a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ironing? Ironing? Did someone say ironing? I am anally retentive when it comes to ironing -- if it does not have a crease you can cut bread with, it ain't ironed. I guess it all goes back to my childhood, my first holidays job at a large industrial laundry, work that included preparing formal waistcoats, bibs, bow ties and so forth for the private gentlemen's clubs. My favourite thing, and another way of getting a facial, was the steam pipe with the flattened end for putting folds in formal shirt collars and so forth. My rulez? Don't be lazy, don't put water in the iron, you cannot control when some brown gunk is going to choose to visit your shirt, use a sprinkling can/bottle or a spray bottle; Constantly adjust your temperature for the job at hand; Take your time and get it right, go over things if you made an unwanted wrinkle; Remember that, on pure cotton, starch is your true god; Use a think padding on your board with a natural fibre cover; Collect as many tailoring aids as you can think of (hams, etc.). At a pinch, a football can be used. Collect as many useless things to do with ironing as you can lay hands on (coal- heated irons, combustion stove-heated irons, old Singer iron stands). You are not required to use them, just have them in the same way as you must have much fabric; Have several working irons -- one for fabric, one for spare, one for shaping polystyrene props...; Keep your iron clean with quality floor cleaners that can take off any muck -- when worse gets to worst, do as I do and take a powerdrill fitted with a wire brush to the thing (which also helps remove that stoopid teflon people think looks good but will -- sooner or later -- flake off on your best whites). Thanks for the bandwidth, I am heading back to my looney bin now, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:47:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNlDD9012919 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNfpFN014990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNflbq039821; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNfgQZ039687 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 37525030 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:56:14 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c5f53e$78390f30$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's not the pattern company's fault that your granddaughters are in Florida. I have the same problem if I'm sewing for my daughter while she's at school. I NEVER use the measurement given in the pattern (if there is one) for elastic. I measure directly on the body in question. In your case, have someone measure the girls' wrists and let you know. The other option is to thread in the elastic but don't join the ends, and don't close the casing. Let their mother or father do it at the other end, when the girls have tried on the garment. If none of those will work, just guess and err a bit on the large side. They can always use a safety pin. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 18:54:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jATNsSqK013183 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:54:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNs1Dh016609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNrvgS048994; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNrlPo048814 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bd.6d2ca (16335) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:53:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.6d2ca.30be4402@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:53:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/29/2005 6:42:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: If none of those will work, just guess and err a bit on the large side. They can always use a safety pin. ***************** Measure a kid that is close to the size of the girls...y'know, your neighbor's or something. It's elastic! It's a wrist measurement or an upper arm measurement. How different can it be? If it with in 2" of the correct measurement, it should work. Any measurement that pattern company might come up with will be just as much of an educated guess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU01thK013452 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:01:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jATNtvtc016889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNttvt050496; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATNtkmg050354 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQQ00JKOQGOXN59@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:55:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:55:33 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns In-reply-to: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why don't you have the girl's mom loosly measure their wrists? Elastic specs are tricky in a factory. If something is too tight it will not fit or sell. Best Regards- Dame Catriona MacDuff (Monica Spence-- designer and patternmaker for kid's swimwear) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for babies who aren't born yet, for example. I've emailed the company in question to get a measurement but haven't heard back yet, and I need to get these in the mail soon. I went to the store today to see if I could find ready-made garments to measure. This is not only a huge inconvenience, but almost futile, as everything I saw in the store had long straight sleeves! Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0HDsp013983 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0ANcx018660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0AKJ2061381; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0AI6H061291 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000101301300pn3lje>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:13 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:12 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:10:12 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050010.11880.438CEDE4000410A600002E6822058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Bjarne, for your suggestion. Can any of those magazines be bought in the U.S.? They sound interesting. Roscelin > Hi Riscelin, > My embroidery magazines have many different pin cushions to make and they > all have fiber fill in them, like polyester fill. It looks like vatting and > it is very good to use! > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:48:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0m8nw015062 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0lhLs023710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0leeE087304; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIS9iq073941 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F83C07A2 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:27:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:27:55 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051129182758.27F83C07A2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am planning on making a regency gown. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm And I have found the perfect cotton voile. But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. The discription says heavy white cotton thread. It looks not very tightly spun. Has anyone any idea what I could use? I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. Like the subtle smaller patterns better. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0mMHn015072 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:48:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0m8f2023775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0m82c087595; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIY76b079685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-135.sonic.net [209.148.114.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATIY4sv031687 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:34:05 -0800 Message-ID: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:34:09 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up > a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see > what everyone got? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0n38T015100 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0mg18023864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0mg0A087961; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJ44jT005747 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511291903490130005kghe>; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:49 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:48 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:03:48 +0000 Message-Id: <112920051903.10050.438CA613000E47880000274222007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great idea! But what about the folks who don't have digital cameras? Roscelin > WickedFrau wrote: > > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > > everyone got? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nCQt015106 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0mm8X023890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0mm63088031; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATJhjB2038383 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so70751nzf for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a5F4FMbSy6N6+XKth5egoQSKzCzgYN+9m6CQJDgGCFPRLJvLkDpyqEXXUcD7HWcnXAQnylzKgap8WbknvhvZGQ/sl6wsweI67Jji7i9FD7QuE4UX4/DKIw7P3ywtD1aoXzR9cyMykGQhFB3w6ya5VNI1ldkK+GFpkKUREb7agZE= Received: by 10.65.75.6 with SMTP id c6mr913222qbl; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jATJhjB2038383 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What does "herigaudz" mean? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This question is probably for the native & historical French speakers in the crowd. I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by Robert Grosseteste wherein he gives a rule for clothes (livery) worn by servants. I'm puzzled by one word. Here's the original in transcription: Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes chescun ionr e nomement a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre honour garder ne pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes curtepies. That's the problem phrase, 'soulletz herigaudz', I'll tell you what I think it is but I dont want to predispose your opinion. I've looked at 2 english translations, and dont agree with them. Care to opine? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nd3x015117 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0nFiN023952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0nFh6088256; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATLoIiG067222 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C417A365E8 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Court outfit. she's age 20 and died a few months after this portrait. http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1001/poca_pic.html De Who lives a few miles away from decendents of Pocahantas' sister. And one of them at age 20 looked like Pocahontas. -----Original Message----- I want to dress the doll as Pocahontas(Matoaka)either on her wedding day to John Rolfe, or when she was at the English court for the 12th Night celebrations. While I could dress her as in her engraved portrait(the revised colors based on how engravers indicated colors through their engraving are gold dress, red surcoat, and white hat with gold band and white feather)and that is still an option, I'd like to do a wedding day or court dress. The doll is on a cloth body so the dress would have to be high-necked or have a shallow square neck. I found some red and gold Christmas fabric at Joann's at 70% off that might do. The striped design has a Jacobean feel to it and possibly hasn't sold as well as other fabrics because the stripe is horizontal and isn't obviously Christmassy. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace(white, natural, pink, grey, mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know)a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:49:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0nkE3015126 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:49:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0nOf2024001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0nOxQ088370; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jATMSc7e038943 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6100288; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:28:32 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.153 ([209.131.80.153] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 29 Nov 2005 17:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c5f534$6179bd80$995083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:29:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere, One of the advantages of using cotton embroidery skeins is that each skein is made up of 6 strands. These can be broken down to the strand width that is more pleasing to your taste. However, it has been my experience in doing white-on-white that three or four strands will probably be necessary to create the texture that is expected in the designs you have presented. Floss is softer in look and use than, say, crochet cotton (Which comes in differing thicknesses.) I suspect that the floss of the time was probably less malleable than what we have at our convenience now. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0rQLn015223 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0r98Q024481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0r6Ar090537; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU08Log059877 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000081501300pj3joe>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:15 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:12 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:08:12 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050008.8244.438CED6C000AA4330000203422058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My couch is the pin/needle eating monster. I guess when I make some pin cushions for holiday gifts - I better make one for myself also. ;-) Roscelin > I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 > needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know > I have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0rbhF015233 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0rLAS024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0rLA7090706; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0UFLD074683 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113000301001400qch73e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:10 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:08 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:30:08 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050030.27163.438CF28F00072E8300006A1B22007507849C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Carol, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - been working on the preperations for a medieval Yule Feast. I hope your offer of some wool is still good. Let me know what you need from me; shipping, etc. Roscelin > Unspun wool would work a treat. Or sawdust. Me, I'd use the wool. > Email me I should have some combings from the wedding shawl I'm > supposed to be spinning... > Ta > Carol > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:53:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0refW015236 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0rP8I024535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0rQFj090750; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0bCS4079241 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005113000370601300piv24e>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:07 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:06 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:06 +0000 Message-Id: <113020050037.29811.438CF43200085EA90000747322058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings Katheryne, If your offer of some wool is still open, I would be very happy to receive a bit of it. It doesn't matter about the color of the wool since it will be packed in to the pin cushion covering. Roscelin > If you don't mind what color the wool is - I have some 'raw' brown wool that I > could send you. > > Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 19:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU0vLor015376 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU0uleC025184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0ujMV092879; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU0ugV4092790 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <438CF959.5060104@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:59:05 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 00:56:37.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA7BF5D0:01C5F548] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, don't take this the wrong way, but how would you feel if the pattern companies responded to you and gave you an "average" that didn't work for your grandkids? I know it is not always easy to get parents to accurately measure so I deal with my nephews the same way Kim does. I leave the wrist open and safety pin the elastic to approximately where it should be. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 20:19:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU1JXCS015975 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU1Ig5X027305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU1IeHi005155; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU1Iajo005124 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:18:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 72147 invoked by uid 16115); 30 Nov 2005 01:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Nov 2005 01:18:37 -0000 Message-ID: <438CFCAD.6070805@misc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:13:17 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <2b2.ebc2d0.30be35d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? Good luck, Theresa Eacker AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in Maryland, so > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2Ecna017634 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2Dpjb032251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2DibD036500; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2Dela036394 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0B63.6020901@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:13:34.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAFA7AC0:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this is a great idea. I will look into it further and get back to everyone! Sg Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > That sounds like a great idea, I think one of the photo sharing > websites might work best as we can allow multiple people to upload > their own photos. I've used http://www.myphotoalbum.com/ for the > amiperiodornot photos (http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/) > because it allows voting and comments and it's designed to let a lot > of different people upload photos (one of the previous administrators > just has to set up an account for them). Perhaps we could set up a > h-cost photo album and create IDs for members of this list who ask, > that way, rather than having it hosted on one website which only one > person has access to everyone could upload their own, and nobody here > is paying for the extra bandwidth and one person doesn't get swamped > by emails with photo attachments. > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:53 AM > Subject: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > > >> Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting >> up a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see >> what everyone got? >> >> I can set it up on my site if you like or we can find some external >> picture site which would allow folks to upload their own. >> >> Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2FFlL017659 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:15:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2EifK032342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2EiE1037074; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2EeGA036984 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0BA0.2050101@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:17:04 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:14:35.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEFD3AC0:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO But of course! O:-) Lavolta Press wrote: > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their > gift? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:16:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2GFAd017681 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:16:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2G4xC032516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2G3GW037869; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2G1Br037807 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:15:55 -0800 Message-ID: <438D0BF0.4090002@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:18:24 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? References: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 02:15:55.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[FECC9C00:01C5F553] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hopefully someone on one end or the other of the exchange will have one. We should ask those who are sending to make pictures if at all possible in case the receiver doesn't have access to one! I can also scan "normal" photographs! Sg Dawn wrote: > > Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a > disadvantage. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2LMYF017831 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2L3ht033112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2L13l040369; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2Kv0J040288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3tvtU026191 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:55:57 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:23:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <438C6B81.60506@msn.com> <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1106.67.188.164.116.1133287057.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511292123.38502.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:57 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a > > webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what > > everyone got? > > Saragrace, > > What a cool idea! Doing such a page would have the advantage of encouraging those of us (like me) who were too cowardly to participate this year. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:31:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2VU1E018108 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2VBhM034087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2V9u8045604; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2V5cF045520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:31:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU465bq026512 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:06:05 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:33:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511292133.46716.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 29 November 2005 9:17 pm, WickedFrau wrote: > But of course! O:-) > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their > > gift? Whether or not the individual recipients do wait till Christmas to open their gifts, I do think that any "gift exchange" photo site should not go up until after the Christmas holiday. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 21:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU2jqjZ018576 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU2jXoJ035728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2jVEh052998; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU2jNPT052908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.190] (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAU2jBqV013188 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <004101c5f53c$59ef3920$13d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:44:15 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I already sent my gift to my person without this in mind, so I'm not keen on the idea. If people want to show off something they made, they could do a page like Bjarne does. People do this all the time with dress diaries, etc., and then it's up to the person who made it. I picked out what I sent based on my person's interests, not with the idea that it would be shown to everyone on the list. While it's nice of people to offer web space, I think both people should decide if they want to post a picture. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 22:03:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU33WE8019118 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:03:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3341Z037252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU332Di061243; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU32wRJ061206 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EhIFF-0006Go-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:02:57 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051129205339.02fcba70@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:02:30 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> References: <200511291527.jATFRloT008276@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Earlier this year, both of us were working on velvet elizabethans. Pierre's doublet has some of the same problems. He used a thick towel, but in some places you can see iron squishing. I much prefer the real needle board - yeah, they're expensive, but they work SO-O-O-O-O much better. You can use lots of steam (as much as the fabric will handle, anyway) and really lean on it - even use a clapper - without crushing the nap. You must let the fabric dry completely before removing it - otherwise any touch will mar the nap as well. I'm lucky - mine is 4" x 12", with a heavy cotton canvas base which lets it curve over a ham if needed. I got it at least 20 years ago, and it cost $50 then. I panic if I forget where I left it last, and I need it. The small size is only a problem if you need to press large areas - usually seams (especially those you have in the epaulets) aren't that big a hassle. HTH, Sandy At 09:27 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:46:03 -0800 >From: Cin >Subject: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes > >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0700 >From: WickedFrau >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >Hi Cin, I do a lot of hand basting with silk thread to prevent >shifting. Sort of in a ladder pattern both vertical and horizontal. >Also, do you have a velvet pressing pad? They are either a bunch of >little pins or even stiff brushy type ironing pads. > >Sg > >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:27:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet > >But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than >gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric >that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my >forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 29 22:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU3CPr8019344 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU3C1VB038010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU3C0B9065721; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU3BuYe065690 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jAU34Mk05072 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:04:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00cf01c5f55c$c18bfb20$39bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:18:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll open mine on Solstice. ;o) If I can wait that long. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? > What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > WickedFrau wrote: > > > Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up > > a webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see > > what everyone got? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7TY0b031199 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7RoSq062383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rlf2077537; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Ri9t077518 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S3v2020159 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:03 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHF026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051127215715.0267f698@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:36:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Pin Cushion In-Reply-To: <000f01c5f2bb$6e221260$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> References: <112320052119.22370.4384DCE00003BFC40000576222007358349C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The toe is the flax that is thrown away from sheathing. Go to a period >farm for it. Look for it called "tow", as in "tow-headed" for a flaxen-haired blonde. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7Tf5a031259 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7SdJ4062456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7SZXr077782; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rjxq077526 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S4v2020188 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:04 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHJ026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:52 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051129112035.026c67b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:21:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? In-Reply-To: <438C9E6F.9080508@reddawn.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Hi, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in me setting up a >>webpage with the "gift exchangees" and their gifts so we can see what >>everyone got? > >Fine by me, though folks without a digital camera might be at a disadvantage. Having a scanner might do the trick. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 02:29:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU7TYPK031200 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:29:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7RoA6062384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7Rn3o077551; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU7RiON077519 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAU7S3v2020182 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:28:03 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU7VfHH026036 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:30:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? In-Reply-To: References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I took one of my pin cushions apart lately and found no less than 31 >needles stuck inside....I thought I had a needle eating monster (I know I >have a sock eating monster!), now I know where to look next time! My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 03:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU81R7j006985 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU8116o064539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80ULb092138; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80QQq092098 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F88B745 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051129210040.037029e0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:06:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:46 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have some favorite velvet tricks they'd like to share? It's >been ages since I worked with the stuff. > >I'm particularly concerned about dealing with areas where multiple >layers meet. I'm doing an early Stuart informal doublet with set in >sleeves and epaulettes. That's a lot of layers. In wool, I'd just >grade down the interfacing then steam it to a fair-thee-well and whack >the whole think with a clapper. If I do that on velvet I'll have a >nasty squished mess. > >Got any hints? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com Hmmm... use a walking foot; baste with silk thread first, not just pins; grade with pinking shears and not too close to the seam line, or the turned edge will fray over time. Use a velvet board or fluffy dry towel or another piece of velvet to press with. There isn't much I've been able to do with multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few seams in overlapping places as I can. May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 03:01:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU81U2S007000 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:01:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU811qE064538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80Ujh092139; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU80QWK092102 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82E9B751 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051129230909.037060b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:09:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What about a gift exchange picture page? In-Reply-To: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> References: <438C9F21.3030005@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:34 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >What I want to know is, is anyone waiting till Christmas to open their gift? > >Fran Yes. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 04:17:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU9H62q024944 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAU9DPp2070267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU9DLM9020736; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAU9DHO8020676 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jAU9DBR26226.; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:12:53 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAU9DHO8020676 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they have got too dry I spray them with water. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> laughingkat@hotmail.com 29/11/2005 20:20 >>> wrote: I once did the ironing for the priest on my campus (the linens we use at mass and such). He had washed them but did not put them in the dryer. To keep them wet he kept them in the ridge and then while you ironed you not only took out all wrinkles but also dried them!! Another side effect is having a slight steam facial. lol. Since I am a poor student- and I dropped my iron at the beginning of last year so it leaks when I do put water in it. I have resorted to this method which really does work! Katy- an eager learner. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 07:29:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUCT0DV001767 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUCSOAa000123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCSKPT002236; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCSHM7002179 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.215.ea7ed61 (3858) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:28:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they have got too dry I spray them with water. I've found that a steam iron is required to do modern (or even 19th century) tailoring. I'm currently still using my Norelco; however, when it dies, I will be in the same pickle, as Norelco doesn't make steam irons anymore. I've found Black and Decker not very satisfactory. Haven't tried a Rowenta, but I had a Rowenta toaster once, and the thermostat never seemed to be consistent, so haven't high hopes for an iron. May consider a Sunbeam when the time comes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 07:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUCq4Sn002487 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUCpjI6001806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCphEh012546; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUCpdK1012488 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0540300; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:51:32 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 07:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:52:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how to use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which was also a best feature with the Rowenta. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing > > In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: > > I've never owned a steam iron and neither has my Mum. Now that I have a > tumble dryer, I only give the clothes a short tumble (which shakes the worst > creases out of knitted cotton garments) and iron them while still damp. If they > have got too dry I spray them with water. > > > > I've found that a steam iron is required to do modern (or even 19th century) > tailoring. I'm currently still using my Norelco; however, when it dies, I > will be in the same pickle, as Norelco doesn't make steam irons anymore. I've > found Black and Decker not very satisfactory. Haven't tried a Rowenta, but I > had a Rowenta toaster once, and the thermostat never seemed to be > consistent, so haven't high hopes for an iron. > > May consider a Sunbeam when the time comes. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 08:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUDgBdP004063 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:42:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUDfWf1005352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUDfTPt035210; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (mxo2.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUDfP3m035157 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1578366183 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511300727.jAU7RnBB077557@net.indra.com> References: <200511300727.jAU7RnBB077557@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:37:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet pressing... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:27 AM -0700 11/30/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >as well. I'm lucky - mine is 4" x 12", with a heavy cotton canvas >base which lets it curve over a ham if needed. I got it at least 20 >years ago, and it cost $50 then. I panic if I forget where I left it >last, and I need it. Yah know they make straight toothed carding cloth. I know I've used my flat backed carder in a pinch, but don't do enough velvet to actually go and buy a bit o carder cloth... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEE0Vk005106 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUE8Yr9008227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUE8WWr051172; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUE8TkQ051110 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: <438DB2EE.9040403@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:10:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 14:08:24.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[86E93D60:01C5F5B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion > out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEYSOn005848 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUEXwBL011185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEXute064795; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEXqMk064705 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e2.49bb69f4 (58435) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.49bb69f4.30bf1247@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:33:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. Yes, and the "spit" usually indicates that the iron is not getting hot enough--hence, the unreliability of the thermostat. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 09:51:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUEpXUB006517 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUEohAK013374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEoedv074616; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUEoaXA074512 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005113014503001400q5c1de>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:30 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:29 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:50:29 +0000 Message-Id: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. I hope this helps! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > Good luck, > > Theresa Eacker > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > Maryland, so > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:04:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUF4i14007027 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:04:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUF4C68014727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUF4ABI083143; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUF43tc083101 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A70F2628A1 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:03:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5f5bf$4b831e50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051128181619.74785.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opera Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Mia, Yes i agree on your words. The reason why i went to this opera was because the orkestra was Concerto Copenhagen, wich makes historical music. They go as far as standing up all the time while all the music is played, because this is what they did back then, and the opera was a 3 hours long performance. I go each time they play, because they are my favourite orkestra, last i went it was with Haendels Julius Ceasar, with Andreas Scholl as contra tenor. They also play copies of old instruments. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: opera > And not only do you have to consider the costumes and the direction of the > production, with opera and any other "Period Music", You have to consider > whether it is one with period instruments and sensibilities, or if it is > done with a modern orchestra. (and vocal talents...were there castrati or > at least male altos singing some of the parts?) There are some groups > that head in this direction, and the sound is very different. Modern > music is often times very different from the intent of the composer. > > And thanks for some of the DVD suggestions > > 18th c Mia in Charlotte, formerly Baroque Mia from the University of MD > Chorus, who was lucky enough to sing with some male altos and instruments > from the Smithsonian instution and Barouge performance artists from many > places at the Handel festival > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUFdGo1008238 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUFcgTn019620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFcdXC006354; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUFcYQ3006258 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15459 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 15:37:16 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:37:16 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When > behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. > Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how > to > use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which > was > also a best feature with the Rowenta. I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet because I am tired of the problems. And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 10:42:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUFgMZx008360 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUFfwqa021238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfpwa009788; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound2.mail.tds.net (outbound2.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfktA009563 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from htackett@tds.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound2.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id jAUFfh9x004374 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from Dinah ([69.128.133.245]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with ESMTP id <20051130154143.XYAX23063.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@Dinah> for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:43 -0600 From: "Dinah & Harold Tackett" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c5f5c4$908f9050$0302a8c0@Dinah> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX0/b+Pk1zb928eRzydBuG20B3DlAAC9sEgAC4kbZA= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia Snipped: The excellent biography Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma only says that Pocahontas' wedding ensemble was imported from England and her father sent her a necklace of pearls. The 12th Night gown isn't described either. I'm guessing the pearls were freshwater, but have no idea as to the length or color of the necklace (white, natural, pink, grey, and mixed?) Does anyone on the list know what pearls (white beads were worn, I know) a Powhatan "noble" woman would wear. I grew up in Gloucester County, VA and Elementary school was a mile from the location of Powhatan village, so I am pretty sure that the would have been Saltwater Pearls. But considering the scale of a doll to adult, the freshwater ones should work well. On color, I would go with what works best for the outfit. Also I'm thinking of adding a white Jacobean surcoat, but made of white feathers. I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel On the research I have done on time period, I do not feel that the Europeans would have appreciated ANY native elements in dress (except the Pearls:-)). Most Europeans believed that they were civilizing the natives, and could not appreciate the culture. Dinah Tackett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 12:18:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUHIHN5010844 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:18:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUHGF38043024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHG6Jo096864; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHFvOI096718 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE450188; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5f5d1$d8bd9400$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com><001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:16:44 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had three R's and even experimented using distilled water exclusively! and even that was not the ultimate solution. Don't try working on a wedding dress !! Table linen is bad enough. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing > > > My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When > > behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. > > Presently, I am enjoying the Sunbeam...especially since I discovered how > > to > > use the self -cleaning mode. I can even get the 'burst of steam' which > > was > > also a best feature with the Rowenta. > > I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" > is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there > was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. > I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet > because I am tired of the problems. > > And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 12:33:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUHX9x7011304 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUHWm5U045330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHWhQ0012196; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHWW3t011950 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:27 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:23 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 13:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUIQHki012844 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUIPPnC053439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIPH2T061463; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIP9b7061088 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:25:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 38356736 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:45:44 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5f5db$6e8378c0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most clothes (exception: shawls, kimono) were never intended to be flat, but are shaped to the human body. One thing to beware of in display or storage is creasing. Use well-washed muslin or acid-free tissue inside sleeves and folds to prevent sharp creases forming. Another consideration is acid--avoid unsealed wood or cardboard, or any plastics that give off fumes. Clothes on display will definitely collect dust, and vacuuming is the way to remove it. BUT--it can also remove loose buttons and trim! Get a piece of fiberglass window screening, tape the cut edges to avoid snags, and always vacuum through the screen. Thisis not a job for your shop vac--low suction is preferred. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:32 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 13:33:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUIXMmI013031 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUIW0QV054217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIVtBa067718; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUIVdrJ067179 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:31:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 37635762 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:46:11 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:31:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c5f5dc$4f96a490$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am so glad I don't have any of these ironing problems--years ago I bought a Euro-Pro system. It has a separate tank (no water in the iron) and a suction table for ironing. I found mine on sale, and have since had to replace the tank/iron unit with another, but the suction table still works great. It also doubles as a steamer, which is very handy for antique clothing. Other companies make similar systems. Look for a commercial ironing system. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 14:49:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUJnXYB015363 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUJmiLq064080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUJmTkr036078; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUJmMDK035981 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so186950wri for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ouvYAajpL8/oAuf1SI35fOD6W/wSdTCeoy8jdiavhMVtfEj47oxib4KjA2fT7p4UBPW9o2L+abzvacN8c1UoKLlPoF/Ll6rlrQAMd7bq2CG1DacQ79K/XACpJ3OTJnotx/9J9UDBTXi2+96xRv3rquYqvLIBlPDnVp1jt2IzQuE= Received: by 10.65.237.13 with SMTP id o13mr372282qbr; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p4sm151688qba.2005.11.30.11.48.21; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ba01c5f5e7$0599e770$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e2.49bb69f4.30bf1247@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Our iron here doesn't have any of the problems usually associated with irons... My mother wanted one that made a lot of steam, so she checked the ratings in Consumer Reports and other magazines of the kind, and chose the Philips azur exel 10. It's been a few years so it's probably not sold anymore. It wasn't the cheapest model, but we've never, ever had problems with it. In any case, it makes *lots* of steam, even on low settings (I can steam wool), and it doesn't spit. I've never felt the need to use the spit button. Now, our travel iron... now THAT one spits. Yikes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:20:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKKbHk016306 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKH2jV067602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKGwCO063087; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKGmML062867 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8132E34CFD for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002501c5f5c4$908f9050$0302a8c0@Dinah> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:38:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKcbVl016806 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:38:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKc0DN070641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKbtvS083604; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKbnfj083489 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 18so61530nzp for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jBOz7Q42UCiao7hMt/oCAh3BpJUw4iF55RQQBNFb4hSOBl317Qehd9IMy5DehLWcqfydUwGE3YjWlWRhxcLD4RfuxFQuB0TnNAWZwNssYZRvbQ/RaOCXCAToFH1jDrFZsls7OO7wIY93wLBCvm/UFGtdIru6aLNPqEgm2zt5t5I= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr451306qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working with velvet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUKbnfj083489 Cc: Cin at Gmail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sg>I will review my Threads articles on sewing with velvet. I don't recall any recommendations to do so, but I suppose you could "shear" the velvet seam allowances like you do when working with fur. Ah yes, that's a good fur trick. Hadnt considered that. An interesting idea, but not sure how I'd do it. The idea of russet cotton tufts in my beau's electric razor...hmmm. Such things lead to certain peril. Ruth Ann>But I haven't got a trick to deal with thickness, other than gritting my teeth, muttering under my breath, and pushing the fabric that's under the presser foot down as hard as I can with my forefingers! --That, or sew it by hand. Yes, I suspect it will come to that! Sunny> Personally, I made a velvet ironing board cover, and it's worked great for every velvet I've needed to iron. How very classy! This is a great idea. i've always used bath towels but this is ever so much more elegant. (Like I worry how elegant my ironing board is!) Thanks all! BTW, Another off-list friend said that you can re-raise the pile on natural fiber velvets by misting with a white vinegar/distilled water solution (approx 2T in 1c water) and brushing up the nap with a new toothbrush. Some vile experiments are in order. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 15:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUKoDNp017102 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKiPiW071404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKiNVh089320; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKiIgK089201 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08A323453E for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:44:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh yeah, and you can't use feathers from any of these bird as it will land you a fine and a term in jail. They are protected under the category of songbird. Pigeons, starlings and mourningdoves you can hunt, kill, eat, and use their feathers. De -----Original Message----- Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUL0HTL017384 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUKx6Db073513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKx1dn002856; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUKwtsY002734 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:58:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:58:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511301903.jAUJ0XeU093469@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:58:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 20:58:50.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD1CDE60:01C5F5F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, so I am on the right page with all this. Great. Thank you. Has anyone tried those cans of compressed air rather than a vacuum? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUL77qd017590 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:07:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUL6UZs074357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUL6Psc009505; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUL6HLw009404 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so87639wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EYcIVHvqvb305fufO03/ttpCtFCppvNX6fx3L7ZHLqzQ4jHwMUBgwHNGBRytfaRb2IFNOAmgjzsrTKeXmqiWNs9aqK5e6lVitQ6vkE+eeZSrrXESPPJJHu8lqpwJjiShOcQ1IQfBhH3ZpkE4NxW50dXGC8VbN2RDFHA8BZ/nZ2Y= Received: by 10.65.156.11 with SMTP id i11mr439853qbo; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:16 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUL6HLw009404 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko >There isn't much I've been able to do with >multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few >seams in overlapping places as I can. >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more than my customary amount of space. There's extant pieces & paintings showing this style. However, as perhaps you imply, leaving out the epaulette and 1/3 of my inseam bulk certainly is an option. Call it a late-in-the-construction-phase design modification. I'll angst over it a bit more. Everything else in the construction & trim is done. Setting in the epaulettes & sleeves is the next step. Dither. Dither. I'l work on something else and let it stew. SandyP... thanks for the needleboard notes. Greenberg & Hammer has them from $50-300+ depending on the size. Yow! Tough to justify if I dont do much velvet. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULJaeW017941 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULJ2Kw075927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULItRh020690; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULIsnK020650 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so89991wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uZHNwbLbCNE+n4dNop+pOztRnpGOjUZkSDhi+g38l0bLF8V1ug40LpYIJODK8Iie0Z1EyGgfUAIiC5dhcTlKdc9ecmTPbMDVTFWdbaXF8DisyJuC9SK+v540pdPYQeuwCEj6H3T1sAvWgQPmb4FohUKRrm4DJTQ8+WRRPWQP9cc= Received: by 10.65.96.7 with SMTP id y7mr455104qbl; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:52 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Question about display... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAULIsnK020650 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc C>Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes >should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no >UV thing covered already)? >And is there anything I'm not thinking about? IMHO Clothes are meant to be seen in body shapes, not laid flat. If your garments are not fragile, unique or particular heavy I would seriously consider mounting them stress-free on a manequin. With smaller, fragile or incomplete outfits you could gently stuff the sleeves, shape collars, etc with acid-free or buffered papers so people can see the body-shaping. If your garment is so fragile & unique, like the Dolly Madison gown at the Smithsonian, or the Eleanor of Toleado burial gown then let it lie flat as those museums do. Choose acid-free or buffered papers for the garment(s) to rest upon. Buffered papers, unlike run-of-the-mill papers are alkali permeated to count the acidic effects of dyes, chems, and can slow deteriation. I collect vintage photographs and handcolored fashion plates. My speciality papers & photo sleeves come from Light Impressions an archival supply shop. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:19:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULJoqm017953 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULJLJK075984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULJL5s021141; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAULJGg8020994 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42789 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 21:19:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:19:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:06 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko >There isn't much I've been able to do with > >multiple layers, other than to grade carefully and try to place as few > >seams in overlapping places as I can. > >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? > >Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I >love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm >not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more >than my customary amount of space. >There's extant pieces & paintings showing this style. However, as >perhaps you imply, leaving out the epaulette and 1/3 of my inseam bulk >certainly is an option. Call it a late-in-the-construction-phase >design modification. I'll angst over it a bit more. Everything else >in the construction & trim is done. Setting in the epaulettes & >sleeves is the next step. Dither. Dither. I'l work on something else >and let it stew. When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULoKRB018880 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULnWjL079669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULnQsV049847; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULnJgi049714 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E954D16FA5 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IQS001O4FA3EF@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:49:15 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing In-reply-to: <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <438E1E5B.8010505@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051129) References: <215.ea7ed61.30bef4d8@aol.com> <001101c5f5ac$f0e75680$935083d1@rmitchellras> <1059.67.188.164.116.1133365305.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had the same problem with my old Sunbeam. Roger Diana Habra wrote: >>My problem with the Rowenta is that they 'spit' after a while. When >>behaving Well, it is still my favorite for long distance ironing. >> >> > >I love how my Rowenta presses (and the steam is great) but the "spitting" >is SOOO annoying! I went to press out my tablecloth yesterday and there >was water everywhere!! This is my second one and I can't recommend them. >I might just go get me a Sunbeam even though my iron isn't dead yet >because I am tired of the problems. > >And it seems like an iron would be such a simple device!! Who knew? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULrCPH018965 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULqgLu080202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULqccl052619; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f2.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUFfJ6j008762 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:41:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:41:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511300730.jAU7RnBC077557@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:41:10 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 15:41:10.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CC94ED0:01C5F5C4] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question about display... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, you'll love this... A couple of weeks ago I got saddled with the Special Collections department for the University Library (I'm pretty sure I was assigned this for my skills at cutting through academic pretention and getting things back on track more than anything else - and the fact that the faculty as a whole seem to not hate me). The reason I'm mentioning this is that IN this collection there is a small collection of vintage clothing, among other more obscure realia. And I have a wide range of empty display cases. I hate empty display cases. So, I have empty display cases, and I have things to display. Seems like an easy choice here. So, I mentioned this to my assistant (who's been in this department for 20 years or so, and she got a little unhappy (ok, the reality is she totally freaked out and spazzed all over the floor, but I've gotten her calmed down now, and she's just sadly resigned to me having my way with her stuff). Her major stated complaints were a) the stuff's all dirty and needs to be cleaned and steamed before it could be displayed (because it will mess up her nice, clean display cases), and there's nothing to display the clothes *on* since these are generally flat cases. Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:55:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULtJgv019041 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULrJpd080331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULrD1U053184; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHGtTS097501 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE81025C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:16:49 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c5f5d2$058ea960$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:18:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great idea! Best of both worlds. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing so your (very > > lucky to have a grandma sewing for them!!) granddaughters can just tie > > off and have an attractive bow showing? Although, maybe not a good > > solution for babies...someone in an earlier post suggested leaving an > > extra length of elastic for Mama to finish off? > > > > Good luck, > > > > Theresa Eacker > > > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > I've been sewing for my granddaughters for Christmas and have come across, > > > again, something that has long bothered me in most commercial patterns. The > > > sleeves have elastic in them and the directions say, "Cut elastic to a > > > comfortable measurement." Now, the girls are in Florida, and I am in > > Maryland, so > > > how am I supposed to do that? The same holds when making baby clothes for > > > babies who aren't born yet, for example. (Snipping....) > > > Does this peeve anyone else as it does me? > > > > > > Ann Wass > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:56:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULue3n019088 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULu9t8080934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULu61l056176; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUK9QG0055295 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247bb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.187]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 050C35EE098 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:09:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c5f5e9$ff737930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051129214003.69BAE319C9A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Deredere, I would buy a DMC cotton floss if i were you. Its stranded into 6 threads. You can try to use one strand, two strands and 3 strands, and deside wich you like! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency embroidery question > Hi, > I am planning on making a regency gown. > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/god1/hob_1983.6.1,07.146.5.htm > And I have found the perfect cotton voile. > > But know I am wondering what kind of embroidery thread I should use. > The discription says heavy white cotton thread. > It looks not very tightly spun. > Has anyone any idea what I could use? > > I wish I had some close up pictures of this type of embroidery. > There is one in the Kyoto book but that embroidery is too heavy to my > taste. > Like the subtle smaller patterns better. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 16:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAULxQki019182 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAULrhiK080454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAULrcpl053616; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:53:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUHLn5Y002192 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AFA7037C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:21:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Nov 2005 12:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c5f5d2$b4717980$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup><4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:22:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aint that the truth! I had your experience, too. Amazed at all the hidden steel, I stopped thinking that I had all these needles lurking in the rug. This, after I returned from an 8 day stay in the hospital when one of the hidden buggers entered my foot unbeknownst. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion > > out of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > > > > But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into > the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 17:32:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUMWk6f020217 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:32:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUMVPQf085562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMVO4I085706; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMVK4m085597 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:31:15 -0800 Message-ID: <438E28CA.9080305@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:33:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 22:31:15.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6987B60:01C5F5FD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all talking about? Sounds very interesting. Thanks, Sg > > When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make > up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve > head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves > an awful lot of layers! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 17:34:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUMYD7r020263 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUMUIDH085430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMUBFX084667; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUMTxoQ084372 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:29:52 -0800 Message-ID: <438E2877.80609@msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:32:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 22:29:52.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[953BEA70:01C5F5FD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is an interesting observation. One of the things we "discovered" in the process of making the "Suitable gown for her majesty" (same period), we wondered if one of the reasons 'Liz I preferred the big gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." Sg Cin wrote: >I'm not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more >than my customary amount of space. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUN1MZH021146 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:01:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUN0aOl089180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUN0WsS009608; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUN0SCf009551 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06717 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:00:27 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:00:24 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Thread-Index: AcX18J5TaM27s06ST3C/8C6ACKfpYwADmVdQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUN0SCf009551 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm going to use, if I do it, the usual feathers found in my local craft hobby stores. Actually, the Europeans were really fascinated by the so-assumed by them lesser civilized natives of other lands, so I thought using feathers but making an Elizabethan/Jacobean surcoat was a clever, if inaccurate idea. Camilla Townsend's recent biog of Pocahontas does a great job of prising out the real meanings behind the engraving of Pocahontas. She points out that the costume she is wearing, is much more upper-middle class, reflecting almost Puritan morales(the body modestly covered and the high capitain hat, which Queen Anne wore, but few other noblewomen did so in portraits at that time), despite Pocahontas'/Matoaka/Lady Rebecca's high birth which entitled her to wear the full coat costume of low neck and French farthingale. Some authors have surmised that the all covering wear might have hidden tatoos, but it is just as probable that Pocahontas, John Rolfe, the Virginia Company sponsors or any combination of the three, would have preferred a visual representation of the Christian convert Native American "princess" as advertisement for prospective sponsors and settlers not to be deliniated in full court costume(not only Puritans railed against the extravagent required court costumes of the 16th and 17th centuries), thought by many as practically immoral, but in modest, if expensive fabrics. Virginia needed hardworking serious-minded investors and settlers, in order to succeed, not those who wanted to find gold, get rich quickly, and return to Mother England. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Oh yeah, and you can't use feathers from any of these bird as it will land you a fine and a term in jail. They are protected under the category of songbird. Pigeons, starlings and mourningdoves you can hunt, kill, eat, and use their feathers. De -----Original Message----- Usually, either blue jay, blue bird or hummingbird. De -----Original Message-----From Abel, Cynthia I know from the biog that Powhatan's wives were recorded as wearing blue feather capes, made so densely, that one Englishman recorded them as appearing more of satin than feathers, but have no idea as of type of feather or shade of blue. Many thanks for any help. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:14:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNEICn021516 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:14:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNDr7A093028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNDn9e021780; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNDhju021506 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051130231338.TPF25677.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:38 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.189.89]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051130231337.KRFI1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:37 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.13.10/189]); Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:13:41 +1300 Message-ID: <004001c5f603$b40bbc90$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:13:41 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >May I ask why both a set in sleeve and the epaulettes? > Good question. The shortest answer is that I think it looks sharp. I > love the wide shoulder look of the late Eliz/early Stuart stuff. I'm > not very big or very tall. It's a fun look for me to take up more > than my customary amount of space. You could though have tie on sleeves. It makes the whole thing easier to sew and wear and more adaptable;) My Valois gown: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Has the doublet sewn up and the seam allowance turned under and stitched down. The tabs at the shoulders are made up seperately and sewn edege to edge to the shoulder. Then the sleeves are finished and ladder stitched into place for events. It means I can actually transport those sleeves by turning them inside out and folding (pile to pile) and I have a really mix and match ensemble;) I've worn the doublet alone with chemise sleeves showing or the full thing. As for velvet.. I only have towels with a twisted and looped pile, so I cannot use them for ironing. They leave very obvious marks. The only method I'v found that actually works is to use the same fabric face up. This is also a really good way to transfer a beading pattern from one side to the other;) You can also revive the pile, especially for stitch marks, by shots of steam from your iron. You have to hold the iron above the pile of course;) regards michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 30/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNKMO8021702 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNJkxx095000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNJZ4H027737; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUNJStB027580 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3435 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 23:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 23:19:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:19:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >talking about? Sounds very interesting. >Thanks, >Sg > >> >>When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNTcx9021970 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNTHqJ098269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNTD9Z037409; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNT81L037307 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 153852E38C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:29:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dressing a doll as Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO it is also possible that she was dressing to Rolfe's income and station and the fact that an American "princess" was not considered equal to a European princess. Seeing as how they weren't quite civilized. It should be noted that if a person was a "chief" or sachem it did not necessarily mean that the children were princes and princess'. This was a way that the Europeans seemed to identified the children of chiefs. Their assumtion of how they thought things ranked. And usually the Europeans did not understand how the system worked within a given tribe or nation. Among the Akwesasne, you became a sachem by election. There was one nation that had royalty/nobility, I think it was the Narragansett but I'm not really sure. De -----Original Message----- I'm going to use, if I do it, the usual feathers found in my local craft hobby stores. Actually, the Europeans were really fascinated by the so-assumed by them lesser civilized natives of other lands, so I thought using feathers but making an Elizabethan/Jacobean surcoat was a clever, if inaccurate idea. Camilla Townsend's recent biog of Pocahontas does a great job of prising out the real meanings behind the engraving of Pocahontas. She points out that the costume she is wearing, is much more upper-middle class, reflecting almost Puritan morales(the body modestly covered and the high capitain hat, which Queen Anne wore, but few other noblewomen did so in portraits at that time), despite Pocahontas'/Matoaka/Lady Rebecca's high birth which entitled her to wear the full coat costume of low neck and French farthingale. Some authors have surmised that the all covering wear might have hidden tatoos, but it is just as probable that Pocahontas, John Rolfe, the Virginia Company sponsors or any combination of the three, would have preferred a visual representation of the Christian convert Native American "princess" as advertisement for prospective sponsors and settlers not to be deliniated in full court costume(not only Puritans railed against the extravagent required court costumes of the 16th and 17th centuries), thought by many as practically immoral, but in modest, if expensive fabrics. Virginia needed hardworking serious-minded investors and settlers, in order to succeed, not those who wanted to find gold, get rich quickly, and return to Mother England. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:36:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNaLsi022121 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNUoZn098829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNUlY7038667; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNUejr038574 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 86387 invoked by uid 16115); 30 Nov 2005 23:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO misc.com) ([69.107.129.59]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Nov 2005 23:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <438E34D7.5070909@misc.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:25:11 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns References: <113020051450.19651.438DBC35000020D400004CC322007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO KOOOOL tips!! Those just made it into my "sewing room tricks" archive. Thanks so much for sharing, Theresa Eacker elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > What I've done in the past is to cut a bit of elastic, and sew ribbon to *both* ends. This way the ribbon doesn't need to be very long (shorter dangly bits) and you get a bit of 'give' for sizing. > > When I thread the elastic/ribbon through the casing, I also tack (backstitch) 'across' the elastic in the casing at least in the middle (I hope that's clear), so it doesn't keep slipping out. > > I hope this helps! > Elena/Gia > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >>How about threading a pretty ribbon through the casing... (Snipped) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNjxkA022407 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:45:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNjcDn004022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNjXL0049853; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNjUhq049829 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r21so207536wxc for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KN6a4IctlgW2UpBhXg+OYBHeIafg8BqBrJlOiFRBgc0oLPbW7upvHFmJJggBfcs+Td4R1darSzl34WjwjwaVQJ2XbAurUVY51HJ3IPlFCvMXw4OV9GdB4BHdP9r9Y+KWOYAaAu6AB/g6b7lV9OM/pCl4gA9gbEpCG8ZbG3OWvKM= Received: by 10.65.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr550316qbn; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:30 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jAUNjUhq049829 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] epaulettes (was: working with velvet) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I make >> up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the sleeve >> head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the stitching. Saves >> an awful lot of layers! Suzi! This is probably the best solution. Why didnt I think of it? I'd even get perfect placement of the epaulettes with full control. You're a genius. Thanks! >Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >talking about? Sounds very interesting. >Thanks, >Sg I was asking about Stuart doublets. Here's a few pics in books: Look in Norah Waugh, Cut of Women's Clothes, plate 3b c 1610. See the little wing at the top of shoulder? Janet Arnold PoF: The Verney gown c 1600. Blanche Payne: Fig 348 Purple & Gold costume of Adolphus the Great 1620 is a man's version of the same style. You'll also find dozens in late Elizabethan portraits on men & women. Here's a Spanish one: Blanche Payne: fig 336 Infanta Isabella Clara Eugenia 1590 --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 18:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUNqvJa022597 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNqY83006758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNqXMb055594; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNqT01055557 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id jAUNqS8f010422 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:29 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:41:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200511301716.jAUHGBwt096944@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My newspaper today gave a little blurb about all the upcoming films, and said that the new Pocahontas movie was about "the doomed love between John Smith and Pocahontas." Sigh. And of course the BIG film coming up is "Memoirs of a Geisha," which screwed up the portrayal of the way geisha behaved so much that the leading geisha of the century had to insist on many occasions that the character is NOT based on her. Plus, she's played by a Chinese actress. I guess the film people decided that as far as Western audiences are concerned, a Chinese woman is no different from a Japanese woman! At least the costumes look good in that one. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:00:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10008Z022781 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNxXGt009067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNxWR9060688; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNxU58060598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Ehbqx-0002YB-6G; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 Message-ID: <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:59:11 -0600 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Suzi Clarke : > At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >> Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are all >> talking about? Sounds very interesting. >> Thanks, >> Sg >> >>> >>> When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>> make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>> sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>> stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! > > > > Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made > sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've > been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to > the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip > stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! > Any chance that we could "understand" what it is that you do by looking at some close-up photos of a finished gown? Susan -- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:00:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB100nt7022809 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUNx8oS008937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAUNx7kK060400; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jAUNx4kI060320 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29881 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2005 23:58:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FBEnvrpLhLQVrsdaZGW2ke88zzFmKl/G9IC173gbMkuVO7ap/Fd1UB9gHaY3qp4KhtfYKWF4ivDPOcQbF9o5Q6D3EEx73it4a/SwiKrq8zmkfBOGrvuEV+dNCRQc2nfgOtlJyyLg6zlX3JvDPbK66ch35DzppGCs+EjEm4GGvWw= ; Message-ID: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.192.34.230] by web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:58:59 PST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511300052.jAU0o3Qc088892@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cin, > I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by Robert Grosseteste > wherein he gives a rule for clothes (livery) worn by servants. I'm Which text is it, out of curiosity? This sounds like something *I*'d like to read/have my husband translate :-) Speaking of, below is his translation of the paragraph; he has the phrase "soulletz herigaudz" as "soiled surcotes". > puzzled by one word. Here's the original in transcription: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes chescun ionr e nomement > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre honour garder ne > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes curtepies. "Command that your knights and see that your gentle men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn by all during your meal and in your presence and to maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" (1) uncertain Cheers, Stephanie __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:13:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10DRBQ023133 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:13:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10Cvnq014020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10Csvm070831; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10CpOp070787 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32545 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:39:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote: > > Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils > > hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes > chescun ionr e nomement > > a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre > honour garder ne > > pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en contrefetes > curtepies. > > "Command that your knights and see that your gentle > men wear your dress, that these same dresses be worn > by all during your meal and in your presence and to > maintain your honour they must not be old tabbards or > *soiled surcotes* a fake magpie(1) [would wear]" > > (1) uncertain "curtepies" might be the French plural of "courtepy," a type of surcote (Chaucer used the word in English, and there's a lot of overlap in English and French at this time). I don't know what a counterfeit courtepy would be. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:16:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10Gjnn023193 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:16:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10GRVQ015252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10GQ9k073495; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10GMiJ073437 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so182988wra for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=psj0BTjbQpqRx/R01DXVP9bWGisAdSOzVK/N6y/dAEmERBj/9iInlcRBFefaHOGbiaELRT3qztCg+HZo0Glo049Lb1raJUTebvdSC7LAbaKNIMhYBLtRt4CD/jcfbc+wQzWzhF+AcII1YpwtL7lPneLweqAefyC7RqAZAVCqpT8= Received: by 10.65.150.6 with SMTP id c6mr554695qbo; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:21 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jB10GMiJ073437 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >This is an interesting observation. One of the things we "discovered" >in the process of making the "Suitable gown for her majesty" (same >period), we wondered if one of the reasons 'Liz I preferred the big >gowns was because it makes one feel, well, "imposing." Sg, Other people react to that sort of outfit, too, not just the wearer. Oh, I expect it's partly size, but it's also to do with obvious complexity, near perfect tailoring, walking with dignity and killer materials. Take away any element and the effect disappears. Back in Aug, I wore a c 1590 drum farthingale in "tawney sarceonet" with as many jewels, shinies, accessories & as much big hair as I could muster. At this particular Renn ball, 3 people dropped me curtesies while they were in the middle of a figured dance. Two of them claimed it was quite literally a knee-jerk reaction. One guy said he'd made a leg, before his head even processed whether he should or not. I got to use my current favorite Maggie Thatcher line: "Oh, I'm not the Queen, I'm only in politics." (I'm Campaign Treasurer for a county judicial candidate.) --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10JbHB023309 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10JKD1016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10JGGv075486; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB10J7h5075361 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82357 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.188 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 00:19:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051201000734.01d8ce60@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:18:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with velvet/epaulettes In-Reply-To: <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051130211621.01d86e70@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20051130231603.01d89180@127.0.0.1> <20051130175911.ejr20stzl540gcsc@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:59 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Quoting Suzi Clarke : > >>At 22:33 30/11/2005, you wrote: >>>Can someone point us to an online pic to see what it is you are >>>all talking about? Sounds very interesting. >>>Thanks, >>>Sg >>> >>>> >>>>When I use epaulettes I put in the sleeves in the normal way. I >>>>make up the epaulettes as complete units, and sew them on to the >>>>sleeve head seam from the underneath, so you don't see the >>>>stitching. Saves an awful lot of layers! >> >> >> >>Never seen pictures of it - the first time I did it, it just made >>sense, and I just always do it. Maybe I read it in Arnold - I've >>been doing it so long I forget now. I frequently put the sleeves to >>the body by binding both the armhole and the sleeve head, then whip >>stitching them together. The epaulette covers that! > >Any chance that we could "understand" what it is that you do by looking >at some close-up photos of a finished gown? Very possibly, but I don't have finished gowns, as I am a costume maker and sell what I make! I don't bother to take closeup photos, as I don't need them. If I am teaching, it's show and tell, so no teaching examples, and I don't draw! I am not being very helpful here, am I? It is an instruction from Hunnisett, the 1500-1800 book, but there are no pictures of it or the sleeve application. If you make up the epaulette, however you like, bagging out, turning the edges together and stitching, so you have a thing that is completely finished. You have the sleeve sewn into the sleeve head. Then you put the curved edge of the epaulette just to the shoulder side of the sleeve seam, and either stab stitch it from the right side, or fold it back over the shoulder and stitch it from the underside. When you fold it back into place, you then do not see the stitching. (or you cover it with braid, like "they" did!) Is that any clearer? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 19:38:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB10chtJ023786 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:38:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10cDCH022695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10c91W088529; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB10c5JC088463 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB10bv1f010094 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:37:58 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.79.224] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.224]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB10bpIB119540 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:37:52 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051130162457.0268e2b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:25:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT - Pin Cushion-how many needles have you lost? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FA7C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> <4.3.1.2.20051128233007.026bfdb0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>My grandmother was a weaver, and said one mustn't make a pin cushion out >>of fabric that includes sparkley silver threads. > >But the fabric wasn't the problem! These had gotten driven so deep into >the cushion that you'd never know they were there! =-O Her problem was that pinheads hid in the Mylar silver threads in the weave, and needles similarly hid before they got lost inside. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB112wn7024440 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB112SwQ030609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB112PKV004194; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB112LV3004053 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e6.49038ff2 (4238) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.49038ff2.30bfa591@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:02:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:31:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theresa@misc.com writes: KOOOOL tips!! Yes, thanks all for the suggestions. Unfortunately, none of them work for this particular project. I've found that, with size 3 garments, I can't set the sleeve "in the round." Therefore, I sew the sleeve to the bodice flat, then insert the elastic, then sew the side seams. So leaving the elastic unfinished, or using ribbon, doesn't work this time. But I might plan a way to use the ribbon next time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11K2l7024872 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11Jchd036073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JbU3014563; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jB11JYmI014481 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 65302 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2005 01:19:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zcyLdyBDPNPwBuiTCAVEhyZnIscE+jA8bXb/9rLg61L+5KCjrKDujwwVLmIjHc7fx6fGXUb2jrvT1hcG3lO+vxFot+RbfDorldjLD+jJje6Ie+KoW2invf6+3UE9Sa5C11zqVDpyR+NfC/yjmCjb0b3VhiL1apS+G0+AVuncdx0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.29?) (nicolaa55@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2005 01:19:28 -0000 Message-ID: <438E4FA5.2000001@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:33 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition References: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051130235859.29879.qmail@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- Stephanie Smith wrote: >>I'm reading a friends circa 14th c manuscript by > > Robert Grosseteste Actually, Grosseteste (aka Bobby Fathead--and not "Bobby Big Balls", as my husband kept joking) died in 1253. Grosseteste is quite a significant scholarly figure of the 13th century, writing numerous theological and scientific works, as well as things like books of manners in Norman French :-) As Bishop of Lincoln, he headed a pretty big household, including numerous sons of nobility sent to learn them some manners. Susan friend of Bobby Fathead (hey, he's my SCA persona's bishop, although he's due to die in a couple of years :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11K2Jd024868 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11JUEM036029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JNE5014430; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11JI5g014326 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FFC1F681A for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:00 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200511302313.jAUNDqHK021856@net.indra.com> References: <200511302313.jAUNDqHK021856@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:18:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet pressing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi The Howard Brush company sells straight tooth carding cloth... http://www.howardbrush.com/distribute.html Either on the card or as a separate piece by the foot... Go forth and shop Ta Carol--now looking into replacing the missing velvet cloth... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11Knaw024893 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11KR9F036347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11KRN1015047; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11KMPU014971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-59-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.59]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jB11KI4P020481 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:21 +1100 Message-ID: <004801c5f615$6532c7a0$3bdbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:20:17 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] mid 19th century lace what to look for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm making a pair of engagentes for a c. 1860 gown and I'm looking for some clues on what sort of lace I should use for the cuffs, does anybody know of pictures I can look at to give me ideas on what period lace looks like so I know what to look for when I go shopping. I'd prefer an online resource, but if it's got to be a book I'll check the libraries round about, my local public library has a surprisingly good selection of costuming books and if that fails hopefully an Australian author has written on the subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national library will have a copy (Australian publishers are legally required to give at least one copy of every book they publish to the national library) Thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 20:22:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB11MSuD024940 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB11MEwV036922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11MDR5016096; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB11M9JO016044 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.30]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ehd9E-0006qg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: <8777147.1133400128951.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:22:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can't you turn the seam allowance under for the elastic casing, and then leave that bit of the seam open when you sew the side seam? It could be hand-finished once the elastic was properly sized and stitched, no? I'm trying to think three-dimensionally here, and I THINK I have done this once or twice....when I was in some kind of pinch or another....Because I use my costumes over and over, I use elastic whenever I can, particularly on breeches and waistbands, and I like to just tie the elastic so that it can be re-sized for the next character the next year....and what I THINK I'm describing is one way to keep access to the ends of the elastic. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Nov 30, 2005 8:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Rant about commercial patterns In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:31:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theresa@misc.com writes: KOOOOL tips!! Yes, thanks all for the suggestions. Unfortunately, none of them work for this particular project. I've found that, with size 3 garments, I can't set the sleeve "in the round." Therefore, I sew the sleeve to the bodice flat, then insert the elastic, then sew the side seams. So leaving the elastic unfinished, or using ribbon, doesn't work this time. But I might plan a way to use the ribbon next time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 21:18:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB12I14f026372 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:18:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB12HdIQ049985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12HYgA046645; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12HSpS046607 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6E7534BDA for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:17:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: speaking of Pocahontas Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:17:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh you got to be kidding. Can we say pedophilia. Pocahontas was 12/13 when she saved Smith's life. Even he in his grandiose memoirs doesn't even imply that they were in love. Well it took Hollywood a while to finally cast someone that was not Caucasian in the role of the King in Anne and the King. De -----Original Message----- My newspaper today gave a little blurb about all the upcoming films, and said that the new Pocahontas movie was about "the doomed love between John Smith and Pocahontas." Sigh. And of course the BIG film coming up is "Memoirs of a Geisha," which screwed up the portrayal of the way geisha behaved so much that the leading geisha of the century had to insist on many occasions that the character is NOT based on her. Plus, she's played by a Chinese actress. I guess the film people decided that as far as Western audiences are concerned, a Chinese woman is no different from a Japanese woman! At least the costumes look good in that one. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 30 21:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB12pexX027485 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jB12otE3053109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12ore6064277; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB12onZw064166 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IQS00A91T8IH2BF@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:42 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just be careful that you don't cause stress to the fabric. Vintage fabrics can rip easily if they have not been cared for properly. If you put too much stress on it, it could tear. For example, be careful that you don't hang something from, say pins in the shoulders of a garment, without supporting it. There are people here who would know more than I do... Cans of air vs vaccuum... Be careful that the vaccuum is not to strong. It can damage fibers as well. Regards-- Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about display... Now, my questions are, am I correct in my understanding that vintage clothes should be displayed flat, and not to clean them (We've got the whole - no UV thing covered already)? And is there anything I'm not thinking about? Marc ============================== My only experience with this is a small local museum but they regularly vacuum their costume pieces, which are stored flat in acid-free tissue and boxes. For display, they are mounted on padded maneguins or forms, occasionally laid across a bed or something like that. A lot of the choice on how to display depended on the condition of the garment. They try to rotate their displays several times a year but that depends on staff/volunteer availability. Good luck :). 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But the LOC, being short of storage space, simply discards a great many books, I don't know by what means. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > and if that fails hopefully an Australian author has written on the > subject as then I'm guaranteed that the national library will have a > copy (Australian publishers are legally required to give at least one > copy of every book they publish to the national library) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume